I can hope and pray that those celebrating Thanksgiving had a great one this year! For those in other parts of the world, I can hope and pray that you and yours are blessed with good family time as well. A special thanks to Mr. outinthewood for the opportunity to have this saw for an extended period of time,,, and carté blanch for the most part on the build. Mr. Speed And Marine for allowing me to bounce some topics off of his cranium. And my friend Mike for asking some really pertinent questions on how this saw was designed so that we all had a chance to look at the detail on the injection module & injection pump, among other things. Thanks for watching.
Hi jack I want to say thank you so much on your lifetime of gained knowledge you are so kind to share with us! I am glad to see you will be able to make a buck off UA-cam now! Great work, god bless you
I also found the airfilter to be non-"dust-proof" on mine, there was minor dust at the throttle butterfly. I guess the issue is that.. 1. the air filter has two openings - the big one which is rubberized and the small one on top where the twisty-turny-thing is to lock the cover on. on top there's just this small foam washer which should seal the filter, but I found it doesn't. 2. the main opening for the filter isn't very "foolproof", doesn't seal as well as I'd like it to 3. the clamping force of the cover in stock form is not enough I modded this with just a small ~5mm high ring of rubber (off of a cut bicycle inner tube) around the main white throttle-body-thing where the filter sits. Additionally to that I made a (also same rubber) inner-tube round washer and put it over the original foam washer on the locking-thingy. NOW it really locks (has a nice detent) and also seals well.
I just put a payment down for one today! I'm not rookie when it comes to mechanical things and I do like simple and enjoy working as a woods man with my ported Husqvarna saws. But I just wanted a stock new saw as a back up and or main saw and this seamed to be good bang for buck. I can see the main issues would be lack of maintenance and por mix oil would not be good for it or any saw. So I figured with good regular up keep it should be a faithful saw fuel filters are cheep and a good dob of rubber grease around the base of the filter will catch any super fine dust . I've always used grease when seating my filters and never had a whisper of dust get past! Great video mate looking forward to the next one!
I watched the whole thing! It was long but didn't seem drawn out cuz there was so much to cover. Taking that apart would stress me out. Seems like a lot of things to go wrong there. I'll stick with my 372, at least for now ;). Nice work sir!
Excellent info as always Jack. I spend hours watching bench talk, when I probably should be working. I would love to know your all time favourite stock saw.
Andrew hi. Not really sure. Maybe the 181. For that day it was pretty advanced. It was a far superior mo-chine for handling a 32 day after day in a full man scenario- which was how it was done back then. The 064s were the next step evolution wise 2/3 years later. Then came the 288. I cut millions with 372s in a couple different decades. A good running 461 is hard to beat. In the end, it would depend upon the time frame your talking about from my perspective. Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Thanks very much for replying Jack. Down in Australia we are blessed with the most magnificent hardwood. Red box, Ironbark, yellow box, Redgum. Hard as granite. I couldn't agree more about the 461. I absolutely adore that saw. I also pulled an old 012 AV out of a neighbours rubbish pile. It goes like a charm, even if it's the weirdest little saw I've ever seen. Now I want a 064, but my wife may object. But they say it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission 😜 Keep up the good work Jack. You're bench talk videos are like therapy for me. P.S I wouldn't of had the courage to dismantle that 500i😎👍
Been waiting so long to see this clip. Brother you been teasing me with all the cutting R&D videos. wish you used this format for the 261. but beggars cant be choosers :) Hope you had a Blessed Holiday.
These are incredibly powerful and quick accelerating saws. That being said, The air filtration system is severely lacking for a saw of this caliber. Almost all saws now have some kind of pre-separation separation system to remove most of the sawdust.Maybe they should look how Echo did it on the 7310p.
Andy hi. From my perspective, they have good power and rev up fairly quick. But,,, I'm a little jaded having had the opportunity to run some very powerful and at the same time quick accelerating saws. They went with the "old school" type design of the 038/048/064 from the early 80s. Tank & filter separate from the crankcase & cylinder assembly. Unlike what is seen on the 462 which is a departure from the Stihl "norm". Word on the street is that Echo "poached" some engineering staff from the 572 project at Husqvarna. I think that what you will find when the 588 & 592 hit the market is that the filtration systems on those two will be somewhat close to what is seen on the 7310. Thanks for watching.
Great video thanks! Looks like a great saw to run but absolutely no way would I want to work on it. I can't imagine the frustration of getting it all back together and discovering that you goofed something on the back of the cylinder.
Phillip hi. The West Coast wrap saws come with the "big kid" clutch cover and bucking spikes. I put the sprocket cover from my 462 on the 500i. I fitted the bucking spikes. Any Stihl® shop can order the oem 500i hd clutch cover and the bigger factory dawgs. If the local shops give you grief, call Madsen's in Wa. They will ship. Thanks for watching.
Hey Jack!! For me this has been the long awaited video, I’ve been wanting to see this process for quite sometime and you nailed it man!! It’s a really cool saw, but like Jack says sometimes simplicity is so much better when it comes down to it, time will tell Take care for now
Great run through Jack. I really enjoy my 500i, i would rather double cut wood all day with that saw with a 28” stihl light bar than lunk a 661 a with larger bar. I am an arborist though and rarely work in the woods. 500i is fantastic for a climbing removal though because of the easy starting.
Mike hi. Nope. I don't think (to the point of signing paperwork for the builder/tuner transplants for sure and maybe the others too) they are allowed to. Thanks for watching.
maxbify hi. In this saw, the injection pump. In the others, the pump side diaphragm in the carburetor. Which is pretty much the same thing in both. In essence, the piston going through the motion of running creates vacuum in the crank case. The pulse line is "tapped in to" the crankcase, usually in the back and above the bottom of the stroke on the modern saws. Through the process of operation the positive and alternating negative pressure in the crankcase causes a "pulse effect" in the line that is also connected to the nipple coming out of the pump side cap on the carb. This pulse is what moves the pump diaphragm in the carb. The resultant "fluttering" of the diaphragm is what draws the fuel up, and out, of the fuel tank. Thanks for watching.
FishFind3000. Let us see. Started posting on YT ~ 12 years ago. Showed a few things you probably never saw before. Answered a TON of questions over the years. Didn't "partner" with YT until beginning of 2020. Began the editing of this video at 8AM yesterday. At 11AM had it close to fusing. More editing and fusing. Fusing done a 11PM yesterday. Mid morning today began posting. ~ an hour later, it uploaded. Never mind the couple hours of filming. Took a few calls to come up with the IPL too. And oh yah,,, YT places the number of ads & where ever they desire. I'm thankful you took the time to watch. However, if it is too much of an inconvenience to skip the ads, then it seems what I have going on isn't your cup of tea. idk?
@@josandchagross2553 let us hope you never decide to spend a lifetime accumulating knowledge, spend a whole lotta time getting that information on YT, and then have some joker do their best to cut you off at the knees...
I was really interested in getting one if those but after seeing the crap that accumulates in and around that thing I'll pass, and stick to my 029 super. Good video sir.
If you are asking for my opinion - 1st and foremost, I'm not try to sell myself. I am trying to show one way to complete a project (falling) and one man's opinion/observations on saws and their physicalites. It is similar to NOVA not getting the viewship like, let us say, Star Wars. Education/al productions have not gathered the large audience followings like we see in entertainment offerings as long as I've been paying attention. It's no different on YT. Sensationalism sells, Period. Value of the content seems to be secondary. I see people with a large subscription base "selling inaccuracies and/or partial truths". It happens on other social media platforms as well. You will see negative and/or disparaging comments on this channel directed at the creator. There are other creators that delete any/all less than flattering dialog from the viewer "speak". I choose to let the comments stand in the spirit of free speech - the media in this country could take a few pointers there... In the end, I've said for awhile now that those that know will make the appropriate comments. By default, those that don't will also make the appropriate comments. At times, I'll leave it up to the viewer to delineate the difference. I mean, if you wanted my take on it, lol Thanks for watching.
Cory - fairly standard response - it's an algorithm that YT has in place. I do turn off the "mandatory" viewer has to watch the full length if all the commercials. READ > YT is a voluntary sport. If you don't like my small offerings, find something else that's interested. GEEEEZ!
Go head and Gut the dang thing while your at it. While you are there put 1 of those Buckin Billy Pipes on her.I sure wish you had put a degree wheel on it and checked port timing and checked the squash on the the dang cylinder. But good job !!!!
For me, sense day one of announcing the 500i. IMO, the complexity and not thought out design for the plan of action for an efi attempt chainsaw, (still will have diaphragm failures cmon now!) Etc, the conpontetry and prone to failure is soo high on this saw. (In my opinion). Is a easy choice to pass up the big price tag FRAGILE appearing 500i. Everything I continue to see I dislike. I really appreciate the in depth view. I'll stick with our 2000+ hr trusty 66s. My newer 462 doesnt have the complete package I'm looking for as well, but I love it. I hope stihl ditches this 500i concept, and puts r&d into the 462 or let's say 463. With more 046 460 461 blood and they will have everyone's money. I hate the 500i. My opinion is not fact. No one is wrong for loving a 500i. But for me, I'll never own one. I'm done ranting. Thanks. Y'all keep safe!!!
Andy hi. Agreed, a touch spendy. Technology, technology, technology... No different than the vehicles of today. The HD2s are a known quantity. There are ways around that though. One option is seen on this channel. Thanks for watching.
I can hope and pray that those celebrating Thanksgiving had a great one this year! For those in other parts of the world, I can hope and pray that you and yours are blessed with good family time as well.
A special thanks to Mr. outinthewood for the opportunity to have this saw for an extended period of time,,, and carté blanch for the most part on the build. Mr. Speed And Marine for allowing me to bounce some topics off of his cranium. And my friend Mike for asking some really pertinent questions on how this saw was designed so that we all had a chance to look at the detail on the injection module & injection pump, among other things.
Thanks for watching.
I'm glad it's not me putting that back together Jack.
Great work mate.💪😎
Mr Beelar is the man. I can not wait to send him some saws. Super friendly knowledgeable guy here. I value greatly what he has to share.
Hi jack I want to say thank you so much on your lifetime of gained knowledge you are so kind to share with us! I am glad to see you will be able to make a buck off UA-cam now! Great work, god bless you
I also found the airfilter to be non-"dust-proof" on mine, there was minor dust at the throttle butterfly.
I guess the issue is that..
1. the air filter has two openings - the big one which is rubberized and the small one on top where the twisty-turny-thing is to lock the cover on. on top there's just this small foam washer which should seal the filter, but I found it doesn't.
2. the main opening for the filter isn't very "foolproof", doesn't seal as well as I'd like it to
3. the clamping force of the cover in stock form is not enough
I modded this with just a small ~5mm high ring of rubber (off of a cut bicycle inner tube) around the main white throttle-body-thing where the filter sits.
Additionally to that I made a (also same rubber) inner-tube round washer and put it over the original foam washer on the locking-thingy.
NOW it really locks (has a nice detent) and also seals well.
A 2mm thick plastic ring made from a bar oil bottle cap fixed the issue for me. I put it right under the foam ring and the issue was resolved.
I just put a payment down for one today! I'm not rookie when it comes to mechanical things and I do like simple and enjoy working as a woods man with my ported Husqvarna saws. But I just wanted a stock new saw as a back up and or main saw and this seamed to be good bang for buck. I can see the main issues would be lack of maintenance and por mix oil would not be good for it or any saw. So I figured with good regular up keep it should be a faithful saw fuel filters are cheep and a good dob of rubber grease around the base of the filter will catch any super fine dust . I've always used grease when seating my filters and never had a whisper of dust get past! Great video mate looking forward to the next one!
Outstanding! Thank you for taking the time to teach us!
i love the bench talks
I watched the whole thing! It was long but didn't seem drawn out cuz there was so much to cover. Taking that apart would stress me out. Seems like a lot of things to go wrong there. I'll stick with my 372, at least for now ;). Nice work sir!
Maybe I’m a Luddite, but this looks like a nightmare of complexity. God knows how you manage to put it back together again!
In my opinion you just taught the first factory service school and did a great job....
Excellent info as always Jack.
I spend hours watching bench talk, when I probably should be working.
I would love to know your all time favourite stock saw.
Andrew hi.
Not really sure. Maybe the 181. For that day it was pretty advanced. It was a far superior mo-chine for handling a 32 day after day in a full man scenario- which was how it was done back then. The 064s were the next step evolution wise 2/3 years later. Then came the 288. I cut millions with 372s in a couple different decades. A good running 461 is hard to beat. In the end, it would depend upon the time frame your talking about from my perspective.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Thanks very much for replying Jack.
Down in Australia we are blessed with the most magnificent hardwood.
Red box, Ironbark, yellow box, Redgum.
Hard as granite.
I couldn't agree more about the 461.
I absolutely adore that saw.
I also pulled an old 012 AV out of a neighbours rubbish pile.
It goes like a charm, even if it's the weirdest little saw I've ever seen.
Now I want a 064, but my wife may object.
But they say it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission 😜
Keep up the good work Jack.
You're bench talk videos are like therapy for me.
P.S
I wouldn't of had the courage to dismantle that 500i😎👍
Been waiting so long to see this clip. Brother you been teasing me with all the cutting R&D videos. wish you used this format for the 261. but beggars cant be choosers :) Hope you had a Blessed Holiday.
These are incredibly powerful and quick accelerating saws. That being said, The air filtration system is severely lacking for a saw of this caliber. Almost all saws now have some kind of pre-separation separation system to remove most of the sawdust.Maybe they should look how Echo did it on the 7310p.
Andy hi.
From my perspective, they have good power and rev up fairly quick. But,,, I'm a little jaded having had the opportunity to run some very powerful and at the same time quick accelerating saws.
They went with the "old school" type design of the 038/048/064 from the early 80s. Tank & filter separate from the crankcase & cylinder assembly. Unlike what is seen on the 462 which is a departure from the Stihl "norm".
Word on the street is that Echo "poached" some engineering staff from the 572 project at Husqvarna. I think that what you will find when the 588 & 592 hit the market is that the filtration systems on those two will be somewhat close to what is seen on the 7310.
Thanks for watching.
The thing you called a ground strap is a crank position censor
Yes! Another hotsaws101 bench talk!
Great video thanks! Looks like a great saw to run but absolutely no way would I want to work on it. I can't imagine the frustration of getting it all back together and discovering that you goofed something on the back of the cylinder.
Where did you get the larger cover? Just got my 500 and would like to get larger dogs and cover
462 dawgs fit on it. larger cover is for the full (3/4) wrap handle version.
Phillip hi. The West Coast wrap saws come with the "big kid" clutch cover and bucking spikes. I put the sprocket cover from my 462 on the 500i. I fitted the bucking spikes.
Any Stihl® shop can order the oem 500i hd clutch cover and the bigger factory dawgs.
If the local shops give you grief, call Madsen's in Wa. They will ship.
Thanks for watching.
Modified a 661 maxflow and mine runs clean now
Hi Jack! I would like to ask if I can put the ms 500i or ms 462 chain cover on ms 660? Thanks
Why ... why wood you wanna change the big boy cover
Because i like it!!! But I already know he doesn't get it...
Hey Jack!! For me this has been the long awaited video, I’ve been wanting to see this process for quite sometime and you nailed it man!!
It’s a really cool saw, but like Jack says sometimes simplicity is so much better when it comes down to it, time will tell
Take care for now
Great run through Jack.
I really enjoy my 500i, i would rather double cut wood all day with that saw with a 28” stihl light bar than lunk a 661 a with larger bar.
I am an arborist though and rarely work in the woods. 500i is fantastic for a climbing removal though because of the easy starting.
How do you like those matco/witte screwdrivers
Have you ever had any feedback on these bench talks from the factory? I'm with others saying "didn't seem that long to me". Thank you for doing them.
Mike hi.
Nope. I don't think (to the point of signing paperwork for the builder/tuner transplants for sure and maybe the others too) they are allowed to.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 Thanks. I bet they discuss them, they just can tell you.
I wonder if a factory “agent” ever purchased one of jacks saws and took it back to the lab for an autopsy 🤔🤔🤭🤭
@@tjlovesrachel If they did, probably "how do we make it so he can't do this in the future"
@@mikeremski2102 lollll.... yeahh because he puts their factory specs and performance to shame lolll.... but we all know it’s because of the epa
"There's a lot of wires and Monkey Business on this operation" perfectly said
what does this "pulse line" do?
maxbify hi. In this saw, the injection pump. In the others, the pump side diaphragm in the carburetor. Which is pretty much the same thing in both.
In essence, the piston going through the motion of running creates vacuum in the crank case. The pulse line is "tapped in to" the crankcase, usually in the back and above the bottom of the stroke on the modern saws.
Through the process of operation the positive and alternating negative pressure in the crankcase causes a "pulse effect" in the line that is also connected to the nipple coming out of the pump side cap on the carb.
This pulse is what moves the pump diaphragm in the carb. The resultant "fluttering" of the diaphragm is what draws the fuel up, and out, of the fuel tank.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 ok thanks!
Wow I counted 21 ads on this video
Forward to the end. Then replay.
type adblock plus into search bar then add as extension to your browser you use
Probably a buck three thirty five in his pocket
FishFind3000. Let us see.
Started posting on YT ~ 12 years ago.
Showed a few things you probably never saw before.
Answered a TON of questions over the years.
Didn't "partner" with YT until beginning of 2020.
Began the editing of this video at 8AM yesterday.
At 11AM had it close to fusing.
More editing and fusing.
Fusing done a 11PM yesterday.
Mid morning today began posting.
~ an hour later, it uploaded.
Never mind the couple hours of filming.
Took a few calls to come up with the IPL too.
And oh yah,,, YT places the number of ads & where ever they desire.
I'm thankful you took the time to watch. However, if it is too much of an inconvenience to skip the ads, then it seems what I have going on isn't your cup of tea. idk?
@@josandchagross2553 let us hope you never decide to spend a lifetime accumulating knowledge, spend a whole lotta time getting that information on YT, and then have some joker do their best to cut you off at the knees...
I was really interested in getting one if those but after seeing the crap that accumulates in and around that thing I'll pass, and stick to my 029 super. Good video sir.
Can you port my 500i please
Is the 500i the same engine as in the TS500i disc cutter dose anyone know ?
its different displacement so probably totally different engines
It's the same engine
How can you not have more followers. like and subscribe everybody. Thanks for taking your time to make very good content my friend.
If you are asking for my opinion -
1st and foremost, I'm not try to sell myself. I am trying to show one way to complete a project (falling) and one man's opinion/observations on saws and their physicalites.
It is similar to NOVA not getting the viewship like, let us say, Star Wars.
Education/al productions have not gathered the large audience followings like we see in entertainment offerings as long as I've been paying attention.
It's no different on YT. Sensationalism sells, Period. Value of the content seems to be secondary.
I see people with a large subscription base "selling inaccuracies and/or partial truths". It happens on other social media platforms as well.
You will see negative and/or disparaging comments on this channel directed at the creator. There are other creators that delete any/all less than flattering dialog from the viewer "speak".
I choose to let the comments stand in the spirit of free speech - the media in this country could take a few pointers there...
In the end, I've said for awhile now that those that know will make the appropriate comments. By default, those that don't will also make the appropriate comments. At times, I'll leave it up to the viewer to delineate the difference.
I mean, if you wanted my take on it, lol
Thanks for watching.
make work project saw from watching upto 47m so far
Ur killing me with all these damn commercials
Cory - fairly standard response - it's an algorithm that YT has in place. I do turn off the "mandatory" viewer has to watch the full length if all the commercials.
READ > YT is a voluntary sport. If you don't like my small offerings, find something else that's interested. GEEEEZ!
Go head and Gut the dang thing while your at it. While you are there put 1 of those Buckin Billy Pipes on her.I sure wish you had put a degree wheel on it and checked port timing and checked the squash on the the dang cylinder. But good job !!!!
For me, sense day one of announcing the 500i. IMO, the complexity and not thought out design for the plan of action for an efi attempt chainsaw, (still will have diaphragm failures cmon now!) Etc, the conpontetry and prone to failure is soo high on this saw. (In my opinion).
Is a easy choice to pass up the big price tag FRAGILE appearing 500i. Everything I continue to see I dislike. I really appreciate the in depth view.
I'll stick with our 2000+ hr trusty 66s. My newer 462 doesnt have the complete package I'm looking for as well, but I love it. I hope stihl ditches this 500i concept, and puts r&d into the 462 or let's say 463. With more 046 460 461 blood and they will have everyone's money.
I hate the 500i. My opinion is not fact. No one is wrong for loving a 500i. But for me, I'll never own one.
I'm done ranting. Thanks.
Y'all keep safe!!!
Our government SS is trying hard to put ever manufacture out of business
Impressive means over complicated and not maintenance friendly. Don’t forget overpriced for a saw that eats fines.
Andy hi. Agreed, a touch spendy. Technology, technology, technology... No different than the vehicles of today.
The HD2s are a known quantity. There are ways around that though. One option is seen on this channel.
Thanks for watching.
Boring .......
Don’t watch then...
Where do you buy all your parts/rebuild kits? I have a couple old saws, they both run but I'd like to rebuild them and start tinkering on saws.