Put Max in that McLaren & I guarantee you he is RINSING the field. Leclerc, Russell, Hamilton, even old granpa Alonso would do a better job than Lando (in the races).
I can recall Sebastian Vettel in tears at the end of the failed 2009 championship push. He stated championship fight chances don't come often; you have to give it everything when they come by. The raw determination of Vettel in 2009 or Lewis in 2007. I honestly haven't felt that from Lando this year. Even yesterday in his media interviews he came across like he's accepted Max will win. It is such a contrast to Vettel saying 'I'll win the last 2 races and win the championship' when he was P3 and behind Alonso and Webber going into the last 2 races of 2010.
@@theonlylolking you think having a fighting spirit is being unintelligent? it's not over till it's guaranteed, Norris just doesn't have the mindset nor the skills to deserve being a champion
don't know which race you talking about, anyway Vettel was 20 points behind Leader, Norris 60 which makes Norris in a position where he needs to score points every long race, vettel doesn't
Totally agree, I feel like that could be something that he develops as he becomes more experienced but it's not certain that he will ever have a car as good as this one again really
@@NiallBruceF1 However, what's done is done. Everybody has seen how he bottled it while it was served to him on a plate. It's going to be extremely hard to convince any team that he's n°1 material especially when his own teammate has shown that doesnt make these mistakes.
I think Lando did a decent job; he had his first career win in Miami and suddenly found himself an unexpected championship contender. Max was brilliant this year - Maximised everything - Lando/Mclaren didn't. Lando hopefully will grow from this experience and challenge strongly next year.
These faults under pressure is what differentiates world champions from the crowd The races of 2010's were fun to watch as we had multiple world champions in top notch machinery, and that class of drivers made error free consistent drives. That is why those races could be called a title fight. No single driver was leading the standings throughout a season. Multiple drivers held that place in the standings at some point or the other. There were years when there were multiple drivers with a shot at the title at the last race.
Completely agree, got to hope that maybe we can get that next year with Verstappen/Hamilton/Leclerc and maybe Lando/Oscar if they can get the consistency together?
Every championship fight has mistakes and luck involved - the difference is whether it was Vettel vs Alonso or Nico vs Lewis - they consistently maximized the performance of their cars and scored high when they had the advantage. Lando and McLaren didn't capitalize fully when they had the momentum.
Didn't Vettel famously lose the last lap of the Canadian GP in 2011 to Button? (the longest race ever, where Button and Hamilton collided near the start/finish line - if it wasn't 11 it must be 12 when that happened)
The 63 points Lando lost + FIA gifts to Lando + RedBull not having a faster car.... This was the only chance for Lando I guess to be the next Brit Hero. Next year's first target for him will be Oscar.
Personally I'd say lando is at least a fair bit to blame for hungary, if he had let oscar through when the team asked rather than stropping like a baby over the radio there's definitely a fair chance he could've gotten back through
Yeah that’s a solid point, I remember thinking that at the time when watching the race - I think the reason why I would say it’s more McLaren is that they shouldn’t have put him in the scenario in the first place (in the context of him being a genuine title contender), but either opinion is valid imo
Don’t forget Lando qualified P1 and botched it on the first lap again. Also at the start, Lando was so focused on cutting off Piastri he let Max fly through on the outside, which led to him being squeezed with Max and Lando both leaving the track. If Lando hadn’t botched the start, there would be no need for team orders.
@Sojourner88 I don't see why people never notice this when it comes to Hungary. But McLaren had confirmed it in their race review that Landos botched start in Hungary was a CAR ERROR and not his usual botch. Also, for the OG Comment. You're presuming McLaren would've allowed Lando to battle Oscar in the first place. The moment he gave the position. up, McLaren would've told them to stop battling
I used to do this with how many points the factor 'luck' decided the 2021 championship. Like Max tire failure in Baku, or the rain in Russia causing him to gain many positions and limiting the damage in the title fight. Would be great if you did that on the 2021 one season. Very entertaining this was, I'm impressed. Subscribed.
That would be really cool to find out, definitely will keep this in mind. Slightly nervous to talk about 2021 because you're always bound to upset about 50% of F1 fans... Appreciate it mate!
What limited the damage for Hamilton was his crashing into the barrier and then a safety car in Imola, otherwise he would have never finished in top5 let alone P2
@@NiallBruceF1you could always have it separated with just the luck/reliability incidents and then show that result then add the crashes and show that?
@@NiallBruceF1 I really hope that if you do make a video, you include the 'what-ifs?' of the rules actually being implemented. Proper penalties, blue flags, black flags etc. And of course, do it from an unbiased perspective.
well, he wasn't really a championship contender cause Max was far ahead in the championship and until like Singapore or little before there wasn't any contender
@@Leo-uw3me The team had to realize that as long as hes mathematically able to win, thewre is a shot. Its dumb to think your driver is too far behind when you dont know how the future races will go. You treat it like hes got a shot untill he mathematically cant. Also, condidering last years performance from land and mclaren how could they not think that norris has a shot. Its so stupid
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D so basically every team has a shot, like williams who can't even have a spare chassis 😂 from the first 5/10 races noone had a chance and also we are talking about norris having a chance with almost 2 race win deficit which basically it's almost impossible to recover
@@Leo-uw3me well, Williams was mathematically out of the championship long ago. In case you don't understand it means that the points deficit is smaller than the points available that's the mathematically able part. I don't want to look it up but if you consider that Mercs vest finish would be 4th many races ago. Your argument for Williams is stupid. Considering their mathematical ability to win the championship was gone long ago. They only have 17 points Also, before Hungary Norris had 8 podium finishes and Max had 9. So how could McLaren not think he could win the WDC at that point? Only red bull, McLaren and Ferrari are able to win the WCC at this point. With Perez's performance. Realistically it's between Ferrari and McLaren
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D Before Hungary which is basically half the championship Williams and Albon or even Sargeant were mathematically still in contention for both titles before Hungary Norris had 8 podiums with Max 12, with the bigger deficint in the championship with 84 points which makes a 1 LN4 2 MV1 in the last 12 races barely enough for Norris to clinch the title with even points, and from the races before it doesn't seems to be a Norris swap, so basically it was already over
So if Norris hadn't made any mistakes he would now be about 25 points ahead of Max. This just shows how extremely good Max is, because it's a difficult car for him half this season and certainly not the fastest car...
Yeah, how about FIA didn't let Red Bull & Max use the brakebywire valve in the first 5 race? Or let him gets away with those ridiculous forcing another driver off the white line overtakes without penalty. Coin has two sides.
I think McLaren realizing they are at the top again and the power struggle of Stella (in favour of Oscar) and Brown (in support of Lando) really made them struggle. They had to relearn how to run again. But with such a reliable car, it’s damning how much they lost points compared to say 2003 McLaren or 2022 Ferrari
One thing you see as well is that when a driver makes a mistake, it will cost him up to about 4 points or so. But when a team makes a bad strategy mistake, it costs double that. So you can see just how high the pressure is on teams to run good strategies.
Honestly, I don't think any of the other drivers would have done a better job than Lando Norris driving a McLaren this year (except Max, Hamilton or Alonso). The rest could have done just as well (or even worse).
Worth noting that Piastri has also been useless as a teammate, he’s only finished between Norris and Verstappen once, only shows up when it’s time to take points off Norris
The problem is max. Put any other driver in the red bull, and these questions are not existing. Norris would just be the champ and would be praised to beat Leclerc and his talented young teammate.
No way that Lando would become a world champion in the RB20, the third best car for the last 14 races. Lando drove the best car! What are you talking about?
His loss is actually much bigger if you also count the: 1. 9 additional points he lost to Piastri (on top of Hungary and Italy): Saudi Arabia (2), Monaco (3), Austria Sprint (1), Belgium (3). 2. 7 additional points he lost in Monza (P1 instead of P2), because the team did not use Piastri as buffer against Leclerc. 3. 9 additional points in Brazil, because he lost P1 to Russel at the start and was much quicker than him (probably about 0.5s per lap or so). He could have pulled a 10s gap that gave him a free pit stop before the red flag. BTW Max would have never give that position back to Piastri in Hungary, so I don't agree that is fully on the team ;)! Also it was a bad start from Norris that lost him the position to Piastri in the first place.
Really kind to Lando in Brazil, but let's not forget he lost pole to Russell, and that car setup made the McLaren unable to overtake, therefore making Lando's race worse due to a weakness McLaren should know by now. Lando can't start a race even if the gun was pointed at his head. So Lando lost 4 points, McLaren lost the other 13. but Lando could have finished P1, if not for him being stuck behind Russell. And you could see this at Piastri too. He couldn't manage an overtake.
McLaren didn’t lose the 13 points. They wanted lando to stay out and lando was the one calling to pit before the red flag. If they never pit he’d have been first on the restart. He simply wasn’t good enough in the rain and the numerous mistakes showed he couldn’t hack it
If he had done this, if they hadn't done that... Didn't even count in the crash during the Austrian GP where Norris could have won or at least finished second. Lost 3 points more than we would have if he had finished 2nd that race. The most obvious losses were Hungary and Monza where the team was fighting rather than helping each other. 'Let Piastri win, otherwise he will never help you again' turned out brilliantly. Could have as well ignored team orders and kept the win in Hungary. Either way it doesn't matter much anyway since they lost in Brazil. If Red Bull remains weak, he will have a better chance next year. They better don't lose that P2 and the Constructors'.
you forgot that norris actually boxed under the safety car in canada, its just that he did it a lap later because the safety car came out after the pitlane for him and before verstappen, not much he or the team could have done there.
@@NiallBruceF1 im 50/50 on that, I checked the pov from norris and the sc sign lits up just after he enters the breaking zone. He could have still pitted but I really doubt there was enough time for the team to communicate that to him. on the other hand after such a crash the team should have decided to box or not before the sc came out and have him prepare for that. lisiting on verstappens radio he frequently gets asked what tires he want if there is a safety car.
I think its a funny coincidence that Lando would have 394 points in the standings as pf now, if McLaren and him didnt make all those mistakes, which is 1 point more than max has right now
You're far too forgiving of Lando. In GB they asked him what tire he wanted and he chose to try to cover off other drivers instead of doing what everyone else knew was fastest. Both him and the team share blame. In Hungary he threw a tantrum instead of giving the place back immediately and overtaking on track. Everyone knew Papaya rules, it's not unlikely once he let Oscar by he would be allowed to fight. If he gave it back and held position, then it would be Mclaren, but his tantrum puts it on his shoulders alone. He was definitely fast enough to get the move done, and at that point, not following team orders would be seen more of competitive drive and "at least he was able to do it on merit instead of abuse a false position given by the team." You also didn't mention the strategy error in Brazil. George even got it right but Merc didn't. He wanted to stay out like many did because they figured it would be red flagged. Another mistake for both him and the team, without that, Lando should probably finish P2 behind Max. More lenient on this one, but it should have at least been addressed that even the "luck, not talent" part of the race, was deliberate and done with skillful intent. I'm a little more lenient about their crash in Austria, but Lando definitely could have been more patient. It was only a metter of time, there were still plenty of laps, and Max's car was fading faster, but instead Lando tried a risky move around the outside.
Of course this would be a best case scenario for Lando and best case scenarios rarely happen. Plus, there are 18 more drivers on the grid for whom you could’ve calculated their best case scenarios as well. Which makes no sense, because you can’t have 20 drivers to all score the maximum amount of points due to racing skills and speed. You and I and everyone else knows that this is, to a large extent, a nonsensical way to make a calculated estimation of the number of points Norris should’ve had by now. *HAVING SAID THAT* , it does show that Lando could and should have scored more points and some of those points would’ve cost Max some points. I think it’s fair to say that the fight for the championship in points at this moment in time should show a maximum of a 20 point difference in favour of either one of the two, Max or Lando. O and just to be clear, I didn’t calculate anything. This is just my brain processing random data from everything I read and saw of and about the 2024 F1 Championship. My brain is known to make stupid claims and huge mistakes, so please don’t feel offended by anything I wrote. 😅
24 race seasons mean mistakes are almost guaranteed (see the one exception this year in Pierre Gasly). It's minimizing them and extracting the most that you can each race consistently. That's how Max won this year, and with other factors 2021. Look at most years in other sports as well, Indycar for example, and you'll find the same is true across the board.
And it would be even more if we consider McLaren could have given Lando all points when it would have been possible to swap with Oscar, even if it wasn't for the win..
Yes, McLaren is stupid, but Lando is the driver. As we've seen with Max, Sainz, and others, if he wanted to, he could defy team orders and make a strategy decision on his own.
I think this is the problem, this type of videos only get made for the Mclaren's and Lando's mistakes, dude never had this much pressure in his life. And little to no drivers had this pressure from the fan base in their first contended year to win against a multiple championship winner
Did not have the faith to do it myself but you did, and the video was well made, would have loved a visual points ladder throught the race to keep to video more "entertaining", instead people might want to skip all of that to go to the end, otherwise +1 sub
@@NiallBruceF1 I just wanted to give some feedback from my pov, it's not a critic btw! Video was really good already, but you know with all these numbers it's always nice to have visuals with it, with pleasure!
I'm curious how many mistakes Max Verstappen has made. It might cancel out the 25 points (or at least cancel out a couple of points). The championship would be insanely close.
Maybe should have done some research into that, off the top of my head I can't remember too many from him this season other than him and Hamilton in Hungary and his performance in Mexico not being anything to write home about. Though I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting
@@NiallBruceF1in mexico though, i think norris could have won that if not for verstappen allowing sainz to ride the car into the sunset and allowing Leclerc to overtake Norris, and P1 to P4 has 13 points diference, P2 to P6 is 10 points of diference, soo only hungary and i guess brake failure on Australia ( but this last one wasn't on verstappen )
Everyone talks about ability, especially the kind that wins championship, as something a driver either shows/has or doesn't show/have. But no one throws light on where it comes from, how that ability develops and what that process looks like. That, in Lando, is what we are getting a front row seat to witness. So instead of pitting driver against driver, just because one's a favourite and the other isn't and then going on to pick out flaws of the other and go on rants (not saying all of us do that, but enough of us do that), let's enjoy and celebrate the best and the road that's taken to reach it!
lets be fair to lando here. in cota if his team had told him he was behind verstappen at the apex he couldve had a propper shot at the position again. so i think that if we only choose one cota was on the team and not on norris. brazil should be 15 points lost too he bottled the start and then ignored his teams pleas and reasoning to pit anyways. overall great analysis and vid
Beautiful analysis. I basically share these opinions about every single race. I think you can also add the teams mistake to pit in Brazil before the red flag. It was not clear that we get a red flag but just because of the danger of it they really should have mirrored Verstappens strategy and defend the track position against him...With that and without Landos 2 mistakes he could have even ended up winning the race tbh... However, I still feel like most of it was Norris' fault because team mistakes happen mainly when situations are not crystal clear and its like maybe 60/40 decisions or so. But Norris driving errors are always 100% fails that worsen his position. Also, as a driver you cannot do anything against your team occasionally making a mistake but you can improve on your own ones. I also feel like btw that this is why Norris definitely didnt deserve the win in Hungary or any other swaps with Piastri this year. He just didnt "earn" the right for that because yes he had more points but he still had too many mistakes. If you think about the drivers of the past like Schumacher/Barrichello, Alonso/Massa, Hamilton/Bottas or Verstappen/Perez, these drivers absolutely demolished their teammate, earning them the right to once in a blue moon get a swap if the championship is on the line. They usually had 15+ near perfect races in their best seasons and then its justified to help them out in a race where they dont. But Norris had so many small and medium mistakes that the sum of them is just too large to justify that his teammate should now be punished because Norris didnt get it done himself when he absolutely could have....
decent analysis but this doesnt even take into account the races where he just lacked pace. saudi: he shouldve finished where piastri did. imola: mclaren was fastest, he shouldve won. monaco: mclaren was fastest, lost 13 due to lack of pace and nothing else. canada: while the strategy error lost him the lead there verstappen wouldve passed him anyway in the dry due to norris' lack of pace. austria main race: he absolutely bottled the 25 points, no doubt. you can blame the contact but 1. he wasnt innocent 2. he already had a pen anyways 3. patience 4. mclaren was fastest, yet needed the rb slow stop to have a battle belgium: mclaren was fastest yet again, 15 points lost on pace again. monza: same thing, 9pt lost. baku: qualy error, shouldve won. -11 singapore: if not for his errors he couldve pitted for fastest lap, 1pt lost. usa: lost 5 on pace. brazil: 17pt lost
Lando lost 17 points in Brazil instead of 4 you mentioned. Tbf McLaren oso lost lando another 7 by nt splitting their strategy in Monza, so the gap would have been bigger. For rb, max lost 5 pts in Hungary and rb lost him a potential 25 in Aussie
Max had 8 victories in compare with Lando only 3. I am surprised how lando is only 62 points behind max Max had chance to win the race but decided to swap the engine and take penalty He was on pole remember
you shouldnt have that in mind, about Canada, because also Lando got luck in Miami, that added points to Lando and removed points from Verstapen, if you want to see the real difference then you would have to analyze this for RB too
@darkwatcher01 I mean that he would still be in contention. If he didn't give up those points. All other points for Norris we have to speculate how it could have gone. Hungary is a guaranteed 7 points that he could have had right now, keeping him in the battle for at least one more race
I think it's funny how people's opinions flip-flop around. Your video has a fairly balanced view, but the comments are filled with people that have the memory of a goldfish. Verstappen was Crashstappen just a few years back. Lando has lost himself a lot of points, but as you pointed out, McLaren lost him just as many. People turned from loving him to absolutely hating on him in like 2 seconds, and I suspect they will turn right back if he does well in the future. Lando isn't a generational Talent like Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamilton, but he's no Stroll or Latifi either. Let's just chill and see what the future brings. This title was always a long shot, but next year will be the true test. Let's see how he compares to Verstappen, assuming the car is good, and even more importantly, how he compares to Piastri.
Not to forget: the Australian GP in which Max didn’t score any points should have been a lot more for lando and in the Austrian GP instead of husteling back to the pits and retiring he should have finished maybe one or two places behind Max
Now the big question: Norris or Piastri as first driver? For me, I think Piastri would be the better choice, he doesn't hesitate and could be as fast as Lando...
While I do think Lando and McLaren have made a number of costly mistakes this season, we also don't need to act like you need to be completely flawless every weekend in order to win a WDC. No driver is absolutely perfect week in and week out. Lando & McLaren made too many mistakes, yes, but "he'll never win a championship with driving like this" might also not necessarily be true.
The only way he’ll win a championship driving like this is if mclaren becomes the most dominant car on the grid and oscar piastri is replaced with a wooden plank that has googly eyes pasted on it
Your accent reminds me of the episode of friends where Ross pretended to be English. Born in Scotland, living in England or vice versa? Good luck with the channel :)
Can we also take a sidenote on how many points he's been handed over for free by his more talented teammate? It's at the very least 22 points, depending on how you look at it you can get up to 40... and he's struggling for the title with what's been the best car throughout most of the calendar. Lando Nowins may have died, but Lando Noskills is going strong.
5:35 I don’t think it was McLarens fault. Lando waited way too long to let Oscar through despite being faster than him. He had a chance to retake P1 later on in the race.
The Hungarian Gp wasnt Mclaren's fault. Lando had the pole and he lost it again..... Lando never won P1, McLaren removed the p1 from Piastri with several undercuts. is all Lando's fault, if he would hold the pole he could win the race, is very simple.
Why is Italy Norris fault, but Hungary McLarens fault? Actually in both cases Norris messed up the start and McLaren had to decide to change or leave the position. I'd rather say for each, 80% Norris, 20% McLaren as if Norris would have messed up, he would have been ahead. Additionally I would add Baku with 13 points as he should have won the race and eventhough certain media says the yellow flag was the issue, he made a mistake before, so it wouldn't have made a difference to the start finish line even there was no yellow flag. Another point are the races in Canada and Silverstone, in these conditions, if you don't know, the drivers have more to decide than the team especially if they are ahead of their teammates, so actually Lando lost these 13 points, rather than Mclaren, but yeah in dry races like Saudi usually the team keeps the control. I also would say he lost in Brazil 10 points as it's known in the paddock at a certain point there will be a red flag, so if he really wants to fight against Max he has to be smart as him or Russell in this case instead of boxing. He probably would have finished 2nd anyways as Max' pace was superb. So actually Norris would have at this point 417 points and he costed 72 points, while McLaren only 10 points, which makes clear, that McLaren is not perfect at all, but is McLaren as a team is closely operating like a championship team.
1. I think that’s a fair point, I guess since there were actual team orders in the Hungary race vs the Monza one it made me see them differently 2. In terms of Baku, I saw that personally more as bad luck so I didn’t want to include it but I do get your point there 3. I just remember hearing the team radio from the team at Silverstone and thinking that it needed to be less confusing for him but yeah you can definitely make a good point of that one being Landos fault 4. I think the Brazil race was already lost by the red flag point and again I guess that’s a toss up between luck and his fault but you can argue for both Appreciate the comment, thanks for taking the time :)
@@NiallBruceF1 yeah the 4th point is hard to evaluate as, sure it's kind of luck, but also some decisions are very predictable, as it's the way how the FIA works and also communicated with the drivers. But in the end he lost positions and the points are the facts and not what he did there or then
Lando will finish behind Charles in the end. He's a one lap miracle and can get a lot of poles when sitting in a fast car, but when it comes to raceday he's merely mediocre at best.
I already like the video even tough I haven't seen it yet. Lando has been absolutely miserable in qualifying this year. Hungary was not "contentious" Norris behaved like a man and gave up a position he did not gain.
Lando Norris it's not better than Max, Hamilton or Alonso. However, I think he's better than Massa or Webber, and maybe he could be better than Rosberg someday. If that is not a driver who deserves to be world champion some day then I don't know what it is.
Good idea, mediocre execution. My point is that you should have talked about events like austria main race, in which he lost 17 points to Verstappen, BECAUSE OF Verstappen. It makes no sense to talk about the sprint race, which is his mistake, and that he obviously shouldn't have tallied. What I felt like hearing in this video is : "if Norris drove perfectly, he would've won that race"... Ok but then it's not Norris, and it makes 0 sense
Hey man, appreciate the feedback! I think the way I was looking at it was more the things that were in his control (his own mistakes) rather than any “luck.” Like, here’s what Lando could’ve done better, if you get what I mean. But I do get what you mean and it is unrealistic to expect him to be flawless when he wasn’t.
@NiallBruceF1 yeah, even though you did a good job summarizing his mistakes, we weren't on the same page as to what "losing points" mean I was being a bit rough on the "mediocre execution", but I figured it was also a way to get people to read my comment
Its really hard to predict these things, here are a few changed I would of made. I think Lando would of won Monza, because free air is king, there is no way Charles could of pushed his one stop strategy so far if he didn't have free air for such a long time. Also Landos pace would of been faster than if he had not been behind Oscar. In Brazil, I would argue that P2 was in store for him, had he been in free air he would of had enough time to stop under vsc and still come out first. But I still think that Max would of won that race, he was on fire. So that said IMO he lost 10 points in Italy and 10 in Brazil. Which would make the score 76 if my math is correct. But its all speculation.
Some of these points are pretty stupid and common mistakes that even redbull and max makes, this jeopardises your final points. For an example, locking up on old tyres while defending isnt a big mistake on lando's part and max has made similar mistakes too. Getting the strategy wrong is another, redbull makes wrong calls too, just less than mclaren, so it doesnt make sense to put every single wrong strategy call in this list. Imo only mistakes that shouldnt have been made should be included, not every single mistake.
wdym “mistakes that shouldn’t be made” xD. Every mistake is something you could have done better and avoided, that is literally the definition of mistake. A lock up happens when you drive beyond the limits of the car and tyres, limits which you as a driver should know. A strategy error is a strategy error regardless of how many you’ve already made and should absolutely be included lol. Clown comment
@phantomistix what I'm trying to say is that max has made mistakes too, just low profile ones. Which is why I think only high profile mistakes should be counted. For example lando's bottled starts and his poor driving in cota and Brazil.
Lando doesnt have it in him to be a champion. He cracks under pressure. Lacka the talent to judge a situation and make calls, soecially when its raining. Unless he has the best car, hes not winning. Max even without the best car is oerforming at wuch a high level. If RB can sort out whatever issues theybhave and give Max a competitive car compared to the Maclaren, he'll win easily
@Kawennirok why are you ac5ing as if its his rookie season. He has shown his lack of assessing the situati9n and cracking under pressure since Russia few years ago. Nothing has changed since then
@Whatreally123 its his first time fighting for a championship also even if it wasn't he has shown he can 100% he can just needs to iron out a few problems
@Kawennirok lol. That's not an excuse. He has t come into F1 without prior experience. Hilarious people bring up this as an excuse. He's a former F3 and Formula Renault champ. He has experience. And his lack of assessment and losing his cool was demonstrated in Russia and multiple times over the years. He's not a rookie. In fact, rookie Piastri has shown he has championship material. All previous champa have seized the opportunity when they were presented. Lewis almost won on his debut. Max won in 21 when he had the chance and he went towards to tow with a 7 time champ with an equal car. He didn't have a better car than Lewis. Seb did it when he had the chance and the car. Alonso did it when he had the car going against the greatest ever to do it, Michael. So no, don't come up with vague excuses like this is his first time blah blah blah.
@Whatreally123 you cant compare lower spec series championship to one where you have to beat other people in cars that may have a faster then yours depending on the weekend Also wasnt vettel the same person who also choked the 2009 championship Its truly not that black and white lando has shown that he can drive and even fight for the championship your acting as if its his last year in f1 or this will make or break his career he still has realistically 10 or so years to get a championship
Put Max in that McLaren & I guarantee you he is RINSING the field. Leclerc, Russell, Hamilton, even old granpa Alonso would do a better job than Lando (in the races).
Agreed and Oscar’s consistent driving I think he would end up 5th or lower
If Max is in that Mclaren. Its spoken as too dominant and that the sport is boring for sure
I'm not sure. Look Ricciardo. I'm not saying Max wouldn't be able to drive this McLaren better than Lando, but it's only speculation.
@@vierendeel Riccardo isn’t that adaptable as a driver so I respectfully will tell u you are wrong
@@NicotineRosberg probably Max, Alonso or Hamilton could do a better job than Lando. For the others I have my doubts.
I can recall Sebastian Vettel in tears at the end of the failed 2009 championship push. He stated championship fight chances don't come often; you have to give it everything when they come by. The raw determination of Vettel in 2009 or Lewis in 2007. I honestly haven't felt that from Lando this year. Even yesterday in his media interviews he came across like he's accepted Max will win. It is such a contrast to Vettel saying 'I'll win the last 2 races and win the championship' when he was P3 and behind Alonso and Webber going into the last 2 races of 2010.
Norris must be more intelligent than Vettel.
@ well Vettel won the championship in 2010. Neither did Lewis give up until the last corner of 2008 or Kimi in 2007.✌🏼
@@theonlylolking you think having a fighting spirit is being unintelligent? it's not over till it's guaranteed, Norris just doesn't have the mindset nor the skills to deserve being a champion
@@theonlylolking u should think who have money is smart and sh$t. this society is wrong in all meanings bc the way you own the money is coward.
don't know which race you talking about, anyway Vettel was 20 points behind Leader, Norris 60 which makes Norris in a position where he needs to score points every long race, vettel doesn't
Lando hasn't shown he's got it to be champion. Maybe in a extremely dominant car like the merc back in the day
Totally agree, I feel like that could be something that he develops as he becomes more experienced but it's not certain that he will ever have a car as good as this one again really
@@NiallBruceF1 However, what's done is done. Everybody has seen how he bottled it while it was served to him on a plate. It's going to be extremely hard to convince any team that he's n°1 material especially when his own teammate has shown that doesnt make these mistakes.
And with a sub par teammate
Rosberg would eat him alive
I think Lando did a decent job; he had his first career win in Miami and suddenly found himself an unexpected championship contender. Max was brilliant this year - Maximised everything - Lando/Mclaren didn't. Lando hopefully will grow from this experience and challenge strongly next year.
These faults under pressure is what differentiates world champions from the crowd
The races of 2010's were fun to watch as we had multiple world champions in top notch machinery, and that class of drivers made error free consistent drives. That is why those races could be called a title fight.
No single driver was leading the standings throughout a season.
Multiple drivers held that place in the standings at some point or the other.
There were years when there were multiple drivers with a shot at the title at the last race.
Completely agree, got to hope that maybe we can get that next year with Verstappen/Hamilton/Leclerc and maybe Lando/Oscar if they can get the consistency together?
Eh, all the title contenders made mistakes in 2010
@@xfajejznfhdjdon't mind them
Every championship fight has mistakes and luck involved - the difference is whether it was Vettel vs Alonso or Nico vs Lewis - they consistently maximized the performance of their cars and scored high when they had the advantage. Lando and McLaren didn't capitalize fully when they had the momentum.
Didn't Vettel famously lose the last lap of the Canadian GP in 2011 to Button? (the longest race ever, where Button and Hamilton collided near the start/finish line - if it wasn't 11 it must be 12 when that happened)
Thinks it's worthy to note Max lost 25 points in Australia as well from the DNF, and Norris wouldve gained 3 more there as well on top of that
you mean lose 3 points, but that doesn't matter
The 63 points Lando lost + FIA gifts to Lando + RedBull not having a faster car.... This was the only chance for Lando I guess to be the next Brit Hero.
Next year's first target for him will be Oscar.
"FIA gifts to Lando", alright time for bed grandpa.
@ZAH33D sure son the grapes are still sour
@@DineshKumar-iu5pl don't forget to take off your dentures!
FIA gifts for Red Bull: 4 championship cheated away.
@devilzuser0050 crying brits lol
Personally I'd say lando is at least a fair bit to blame for hungary, if he had let oscar through when the team asked rather than stropping like a baby over the radio there's definitely a fair chance he could've gotten back through
Yeah that’s a solid point, I remember thinking that at the time when watching the race - I think the reason why I would say it’s more McLaren is that they shouldn’t have put him in the scenario in the first place (in the context of him being a genuine title contender), but either opinion is valid imo
Don’t forget Lando qualified P1 and botched it on the first lap again. Also at the start, Lando was so focused on cutting off Piastri he let Max fly through on the outside, which led to him being squeezed with Max and Lando both leaving the track. If Lando hadn’t botched the start, there would be no need for team orders.
@@NiallBruceF1McLaren also would never have had that decision if lando didn’t bottle pole at the first corner and let Oscar lead the race
@Sojourner88 I don't see why people never notice this when it comes to Hungary. But McLaren had confirmed it in their race review that Landos botched start in Hungary was a CAR ERROR and not his usual botch.
Also, for the OG Comment. You're presuming McLaren would've allowed Lando to battle Oscar in the first place. The moment he gave the position. up, McLaren would've told them to stop battling
Brother is almost crashing on its own when he is +20seconds ahead
I dont understand how ppl see him as championship material
And that was far more down to luck than Brazil and lando's famous quote
Not almost, he crashed. TWICE. But neither was terminal.
Then Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Mansell, Alonso, Vettel are not champion material because they happened to crash while leading.
British media perhaps
Didn't Max do something similar in Miami? No wait He actually crashed though.
Shouldn't he also not have been a champion
Max outscored Lando during his and Mclaren purple patch, says it all.
If Lando Norris could be consistent, he wouldn't be Lando Norris...
I used to do this with how many points the factor 'luck' decided the 2021 championship. Like Max tire failure in Baku, or the rain in Russia causing him to gain many positions and limiting the damage in the title fight. Would be great if you did that on the 2021 one season. Very entertaining this was, I'm impressed. Subscribed.
That would be really cool to find out, definitely will keep this in mind. Slightly nervous to talk about 2021 because you're always bound to upset about 50% of F1 fans... Appreciate it mate!
What limited the damage for Hamilton was his crashing into the barrier and then a safety car in Imola, otherwise he would have never finished in top5 let alone P2
@@NiallBruceF1you could always have it separated with just the luck/reliability incidents and then show that result then add the crashes and show that?
Max would be world champ after Saudi
@@NiallBruceF1 I really hope that if you do make a video, you include the 'what-ifs?' of the rules actually being implemented. Proper penalties, blue flags, black flags etc. And of course, do it from an unbiased perspective.
What sucks for him is this proves that McLaren never even saw him as a championship contender until it was too late
well, he wasn't really a championship contender cause Max was far ahead in the championship and until like Singapore or little before there wasn't any contender
@@Leo-uw3me The team had to realize that as long as hes mathematically able to win, thewre is a shot. Its dumb to think your driver is too far behind when you dont know how the future races will go. You treat it like hes got a shot untill he mathematically cant. Also, condidering last years performance from land and mclaren how could they not think that norris has a shot. Its so stupid
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D so basically every team has a shot, like williams who can't even have a spare chassis 😂 from the first 5/10 races noone had a chance and also we are talking about norris having a chance with almost 2 race win deficit which basically it's almost impossible to recover
@@Leo-uw3me well, Williams was mathematically out of the championship long ago. In case you don't understand it means that the points deficit is smaller than the points available that's the mathematically able part. I don't want to look it up but if you consider that Mercs vest finish would be 4th many races ago. Your argument for Williams is stupid. Considering their mathematical ability to win the championship was gone long ago. They only have 17 points
Also, before Hungary Norris had 8 podium finishes and Max had 9. So how could McLaren not think he could win the WDC at that point?
Only red bull, McLaren and Ferrari are able to win the WCC at this point. With Perez's performance. Realistically it's between Ferrari and McLaren
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D Before Hungary which is basically half the championship Williams and Albon or even Sargeant were mathematically still in contention for both titles
before Hungary Norris had 8 podiums with Max 12, with the bigger deficint in the championship with 84 points which makes a 1 LN4 2 MV1 in the last 12 races barely enough for Norris to clinch the title with even points, and from the races before it doesn't seems to be a Norris swap, so basically it was already over
So if Norris hadn't made any mistakes he would now be about 25 points ahead of Max. This just shows how extremely good Max is, because it's a difficult car for him half this season and certainly not the fastest car...
Yeah, how about FIA didn't let Red Bull & Max use the brakebywire valve in the first 5 race? Or let him gets away with those ridiculous forcing another driver off the white line overtakes without penalty. Coin has two sides.
@@devilzuser0050 or let McLaren get away with the Mini DRS. Or the water coolant in the tires?
Put Logan in that McLaren and it's a wrap
Only 1,4K subscribers Wow good content dude! Keep it up and you will get there!
I think McLaren realizing they are at the top again and the power struggle of Stella (in favour of Oscar) and Brown (in support of Lando) really made them struggle. They had to relearn how to run again.
But with such a reliable car, it’s damning how much they lost points compared to say 2003 McLaren or 2022 Ferrari
Uh oh Lando!! Mclaren might have lost points but you've gained points in my book. I think this video is one of your best!!
Thanks very much!! :)
One thing you see as well is that when a driver makes a mistake, it will cost him up to about 4 points or so. But when a team makes a bad strategy mistake, it costs double that. So you can see just how high the pressure is on teams to run good strategies.
Honestly, I don't think any of the other drivers would have done a better job than Lando Norris driving a McLaren this year (except Max, Hamilton or Alonso). The rest could have done just as well (or even worse).
Leclerc, Sainz, and possibly even George would’ve outscored lando
we can't really know@@joshkirkby8103
You should do one for Max as well, I'm very interested to see the difference
Yeah, but instead how many he is lost, how many he got with cheat. A LOT. 😊
@devilzuser0050 Just enjoy the races bud, don't get caught up in fanboying for either side
Spot on with your analysis.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Depressing stats for Lando. Excellent video. Hope against hope that McLaren learn moving forward 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Thank you :) I reckon he will bounce back next season but maybe continue to struggle for the last couple of races, we will see
Worth noting that Piastri has also been useless as a teammate, he’s only finished between Norris and Verstappen once, only shows up when it’s time to take points off Norris
yes, the whole help his teammate to win the championship only works with a bottaseque driver - fast but not fast enough.
The problem is max. Put any other driver in the red bull, and these questions are not existing. Norris would just be the champ and would be praised to beat Leclerc and his talented young teammate.
Problem is FIA let them cheat. YES MAX & Red Bull. Back in 21, and now.
No way that Lando would become a world champion in the RB20, the third best car for the last 14 races. Lando drove the best car! What are you talking about?
I agree to an extent. But even Leclerc isn't far behind Lando which shows what a poor job he's doing
@@PeterPost-w8m ahem, you might want to read again before you come at me. That was not what I was saying.
@@devilzuser0050😂😂😂😂 sure.....
I always wanted to do this math, great video Niall!!
Consistently my boy, consistently
His loss is actually much bigger if you also count the:
1. 9 additional points he lost to Piastri (on top of Hungary and Italy): Saudi Arabia (2), Monaco (3), Austria Sprint (1), Belgium (3).
2. 7 additional points he lost in Monza (P1 instead of P2), because the team did not use Piastri as buffer against Leclerc.
3. 9 additional points in Brazil, because he lost P1 to Russel at the start and was much quicker than him (probably about 0.5s per lap or so). He could have pulled a 10s gap that gave him a free pit stop before the red flag.
BTW Max would have never give that position back to Piastri in Hungary, so I don't agree that is fully on the team ;)! Also it was a bad start from Norris that lost him the position to Piastri in the first place.
Credit to Lance Stroll for being the only driver to score more than the 0 points he should have
redbull strategies are excellent not only this season but also last few seasons. remainds of ferrari and Schumacher era...
Really kind to Lando in Brazil, but let's not forget he lost pole to Russell, and that car setup made the McLaren unable to overtake, therefore making Lando's race worse due to a weakness McLaren should know by now. Lando can't start a race even if the gun was pointed at his head.
So Lando lost 4 points, McLaren lost the other 13. but Lando could have finished P1, if not for him being stuck behind Russell.
And you could see this at Piastri too. He couldn't manage an overtake.
McLaren didn’t lose the 13 points. They wanted lando to stay out and lando was the one calling to pit before the red flag. If they never pit he’d have been first on the restart.
He simply wasn’t good enough in the rain and the numerous mistakes showed he couldn’t hack it
He overtaked Charlie.That was good.
If he had done this, if they hadn't done that... Didn't even count in the crash during the Austrian GP where Norris could have won or at least finished second. Lost 3 points more than we would have if he had finished 2nd that race. The most obvious losses were Hungary and Monza where the team was fighting rather than helping each other. 'Let Piastri win, otherwise he will never help you again' turned out brilliantly. Could have as well ignored team orders and kept the win in Hungary. Either way it doesn't matter much anyway since they lost in Brazil. If Red Bull remains weak, he will have a better chance next year. They better don't lose that P2 and the Constructors'.
I think the presence of Oscar, the Hungary fiasco, and Lando's inexplicable race starts were too big for him to deal with
you forgot that norris actually boxed under the safety car in canada, its just that he did it a lap later because the safety car came out after the pitlane for him and before verstappen, not much he or the team could have done there.
Hey man, I’m 99% sure it came out after the race that they did have enough time to react but then weren’t decisive enough with the call
@@NiallBruceF1 im 50/50 on that, I checked the pov from norris and the sc sign lits up just after he enters the breaking zone. He could have still pitted but I really doubt there was enough time for the team to communicate that to him. on the other hand after such a crash the team should have decided to box or not before the sc came out and have him prepare for that. lisiting on verstappens radio he frequently gets asked what tires he want if there is a safety car.
I think its a funny coincidence that Lando would have 394 points in the standings as pf now, if McLaren and him didnt make all those mistakes, which is 1 point more than max has right now
Karma for Lando after telling Hamilton he only won his championships due to a fast car.
0:21 Miami was round 6? Round 5 was China
finally some non chatgpt analysis
You're far too forgiving of Lando. In GB they asked him what tire he wanted and he chose to try to cover off other drivers instead of doing what everyone else knew was fastest. Both him and the team share blame. In Hungary he threw a tantrum instead of giving the place back immediately and overtaking on track. Everyone knew Papaya rules, it's not unlikely once he let Oscar by he would be allowed to fight. If he gave it back and held position, then it would be Mclaren, but his tantrum puts it on his shoulders alone. He was definitely fast enough to get the move done, and at that point, not following team orders would be seen more of competitive drive and "at least he was able to do it on merit instead of abuse a false position given by the team."
You also didn't mention the strategy error in Brazil. George even got it right but Merc didn't. He wanted to stay out like many did because they figured it would be red flagged. Another mistake for both him and the team, without that, Lando should probably finish P2 behind Max. More lenient on this one, but it should have at least been addressed that even the "luck, not talent" part of the race, was deliberate and done with skillful intent.
I'm a little more lenient about their crash in Austria, but Lando definitely could have been more patient. It was only a metter of time, there were still plenty of laps, and Max's car was fading faster, but instead Lando tried a risky move around the outside.
Of course this would be a best case scenario for Lando and best case scenarios rarely happen. Plus, there are 18 more drivers on the grid for whom you could’ve calculated their best case scenarios as well. Which makes no sense, because you can’t have 20 drivers to all score the maximum amount of points due to racing skills and speed. You and I and everyone else knows that this is, to a large extent, a nonsensical way to make a calculated estimation of the number of points Norris should’ve had by now. *HAVING SAID THAT* , it does show that Lando could and should have scored more points and some of those points would’ve cost Max some points. I think it’s fair to say that the fight for the championship in points at this moment in time should show a maximum of a 20 point difference in favour of either one of the two, Max or Lando.
O and just to be clear, I didn’t calculate anything. This is just my brain processing random data from everything I read and saw of and about the 2024 F1 Championship. My brain is known to make stupid claims and huge mistakes, so please don’t feel offended by anything I wrote. 😅
Lando lost points in austria by driving back to the pits and shredding his floor with a ripped up tyre, then rage quitting.
24 race seasons mean mistakes are almost guaranteed (see the one exception this year in Pierre Gasly). It's minimizing them and extracting the most that you can each race consistently. That's how Max won this year, and with other factors 2021. Look at most years in other sports as well, Indycar for example, and you'll find the same is true across the board.
And it would be even more if we consider McLaren could have given Lando all points when it would have been possible to swap with Oscar, even if it wasn't for the win..
Yes, McLaren is stupid, but Lando is the driver. As we've seen with Max, Sainz, and others, if he wanted to, he could defy team orders and make a strategy decision on his own.
I think this is the problem, this type of videos only get made for the Mclaren's and Lando's mistakes, dude never had this much pressure in his life. And little to no drivers had this pressure from the fan base in their first contended year to win against a multiple championship winner
Did not have the faith to do it myself but you did, and the video was well made, would have loved a visual points ladder throught the race to keep to video more "entertaining", instead people might want to skip all of that to go to the end, otherwise +1 sub
Will keep that in mind for future videos, thanks very much! ❤️
@@NiallBruceF1 I just wanted to give some feedback from my pov, it's not a critic btw! Video was really good already, but you know with all these numbers it's always nice to have visuals with it, with pleasure!
British gp was landos fault, he overshot his pit box and that cost him 2 seconds, he would've been ahead of lewis if he didnt miss his pit box
I'm curious how many mistakes Max Verstappen has made. It might cancel out the 25 points (or at least cancel out a couple of points). The championship would be insanely close.
Maybe should have done some research into that, off the top of my head I can't remember too many from him this season other than him and Hamilton in Hungary and his performance in Mexico not being anything to write home about. Though I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting
@@NiallBruceF1 his car blowing up in aus
@@NiallBruceF1in mexico though, i think norris could have won that if not for verstappen allowing sainz to ride the car into the sunset and allowing Leclerc to overtake Norris, and P1 to P4 has 13 points diference, P2 to P6 is 10 points of diference, soo only hungary and i guess brake failure on Australia ( but this last one wasn't on verstappen )
@@Luke-js2ek Not cheating he would finished... :)
HE LOST A S... LOAD OF POINTS AND MCLAREN GAVE MAX MANY GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARDS = POINTS!
Everyone talks about ability, especially the kind that wins championship, as something a driver either shows/has or doesn't show/have. But no one throws light on where it comes from, how that ability develops and what that process looks like.
That, in Lando, is what we are getting a front row seat to witness.
So instead of pitting driver against driver, just because one's a favourite and the other isn't and then going on to pick out flaws of the other and go on rants (not saying all of us do that, but enough of us do that), let's enjoy and celebrate the best and the road that's taken to reach it!
lets be fair to lando here. in cota if his team had told him he was behind verstappen at the apex he couldve had a propper shot at the position again. so i think that if we only choose one cota was on the team and not on norris.
brazil should be 15 points lost too he bottled the start and then ignored his teams pleas and reasoning to pit anyways.
overall great analysis and vid
Apex rules are FIA cheat to RedBull... nonsense. What if they're exist when Senna raced? Nonsense.
Half of the grid would be champion in that mclaren.
Beautiful analysis. I basically share these opinions about every single race. I think you can also add the teams mistake to pit in Brazil before the red flag. It was not clear that we get a red flag but just because of the danger of it they really should have mirrored Verstappens strategy and defend the track position against him...With that and without Landos 2 mistakes he could have even ended up winning the race tbh...
However, I still feel like most of it was Norris' fault because team mistakes happen mainly when situations are not crystal clear and its like maybe 60/40 decisions or so. But Norris driving errors are always 100% fails that worsen his position. Also, as a driver you cannot do anything against your team occasionally making a mistake but you can improve on your own ones. I also feel like btw that this is why Norris definitely didnt deserve the win in Hungary or any other swaps with Piastri this year. He just didnt "earn" the right for that because yes he had more points but he still had too many mistakes. If you think about the drivers of the past like Schumacher/Barrichello, Alonso/Massa, Hamilton/Bottas or Verstappen/Perez, these drivers absolutely demolished their teammate, earning them the right to once in a blue moon get a swap if the championship is on the line. They usually had 15+ near perfect races in their best seasons and then its justified to help them out in a race where they dont. But Norris had so many small and medium mistakes that the sum of them is just too large to justify that his teammate should now be punished because Norris didnt get it done himself when he absolutely could have....
McLaren looks like it will win the constructors championship. That is the actual game being played by the teams.
decent analysis but this doesnt even take into account the races where he just lacked pace.
saudi: he shouldve finished where piastri did.
imola: mclaren was fastest, he shouldve won.
monaco: mclaren was fastest, lost 13 due to lack of pace and nothing else.
canada: while the strategy error lost him the lead there verstappen wouldve passed him anyway in the dry due to norris' lack of pace.
austria main race: he absolutely bottled the 25 points, no doubt. you can blame the contact but 1. he wasnt innocent 2. he already had a pen anyways 3. patience 4. mclaren was fastest, yet needed the rb slow stop to have a battle
belgium: mclaren was fastest yet again, 15 points lost on pace again.
monza: same thing, 9pt lost.
baku: qualy error, shouldve won. -11
singapore: if not for his errors he couldve pitted for fastest lap, 1pt lost.
usa: lost 5 on pace.
brazil: 17pt lost
Lando lost 17 points in Brazil instead of 4 you mentioned. Tbf McLaren oso lost lando another 7 by nt splitting their strategy in Monza, so the gap would have been bigger. For rb, max lost 5 pts in Hungary and rb lost him a potential 25 in Aussie
i think he can win a world championship, he just needs to put more effort into it
"If my mother had balls she would be my dad"
When the Champions gain, the Bottlers loose
Nothing in here it's just racing ones gain is another's loss.
Memory losing?
"we don't want it to come down to mistakes" i mean that's a big part of it no? As in a pirk part of being a champion and the racing itself?
i hovered over the video, then saw your mathematical genius...I was interested'🔥😂
Appreciate it man 👊
The one point difference at the end we forgive you
Interesting Video, Thano you
Lando is no championship material. I hope he is never in a fight again.
Max had 8 victories in compare with Lando only 3.
I am surprised how lando is only 62 points behind max
Max had chance to win the race but decided to swap the engine and take penalty
He was on pole remember
you shouldnt have that in mind, about Canada, because also Lando got luck in Miami, that added points to Lando and removed points from Verstapen, if you want to see the real difference then you would have to analyze this for RB too
not only has he had some shockers on track, off track hes managed to go from the most liked to ocon levels of disliked
Who Verstappen? YES.
@@devilzuser0050 not the flex you think it is. sorry i hurt ur feelings
Lando giving up that win caused verstappen to win the WDC today lol
hell noooo, there's so much crucial mistakes that norris made to the point that he lost the wcc, in the fastest car.
@darkwatcher01 I mean that he would still be in contention. If he didn't give up those points. All other points for Norris we have to speculate how it could have gone. Hungary is a guaranteed 7 points that he could have had right now, keeping him in the battle for at least one more race
I think it's funny how people's opinions flip-flop around. Your video has a fairly balanced view, but the comments are filled with people that have the memory of a goldfish. Verstappen was Crashstappen just a few years back. Lando has lost himself a lot of points, but as you pointed out, McLaren lost him just as many. People turned from loving him to absolutely hating on him in like 2 seconds, and I suspect they will turn right back if he does well in the future.
Lando isn't a generational Talent like Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamilton, but he's no Stroll or Latifi either. Let's just chill and see what the future brings. This title was always a long shot, but next year will be the true test. Let's see how he compares to Verstappen, assuming the car is good, and even more importantly, how he compares to Piastri.
Max should of got at least a podium in Australia
could - yes
should - no
Bro, has no clutch gene. When the chips are down he gets smol.
Not to forget: the Australian GP in which Max didn’t score any points should have been a lot more for lando and in the Austrian GP instead of husteling back to the pits and retiring he should have finished maybe one or two places behind Max
Backfired cheat.
Now the big question: Norris or Piastri as first driver? For me, I think Piastri would be the better choice, he doesn't hesitate and could be as fast as Lando...
You are right. There is just one problem: Norris is faster.
While I do think Lando and McLaren have made a number of costly mistakes this season, we also don't need to act like you need to be completely flawless every weekend in order to win a WDC. No driver is absolutely perfect week in and week out. Lando & McLaren made too many mistakes, yes, but "he'll never win a championship with driving like this" might also not necessarily be true.
The only way he’ll win a championship driving like this is if mclaren becomes the most dominant car on the grid and oscar piastri is replaced with a wooden plank that has googly eyes pasted on it
Your accent reminds me of the episode of friends where Ross pretended to be English. Born in Scotland, living in England or vice versa? Good luck with the channel :)
Born in Scotland, living in Scotland but my mum is English so my accent has always been a bit weird, thanks mate :)
Can we also take a sidenote on how many points he's been handed over for free by his more talented teammate?
It's at the very least 22 points, depending on how you look at it you can get up to 40... and he's struggling for the title with what's been the best car throughout most of the calendar.
Lando Nowins may have died, but Lando Noskills is going strong.
5:35 I don’t think it was McLarens fault. Lando waited way too long to let Oscar through despite being faster than him. He had a chance to retake P1 later on in the race.
The Hungarian Gp wasnt Mclaren's fault. Lando had the pole and he lost it again..... Lando never won P1, McLaren removed the p1 from Piastri with several undercuts. is all Lando's fault, if he would hold the pole he could win the race, is very simple.
..max only took 8, with 16 left over, which is what norris already did
Why is Italy Norris fault, but Hungary McLarens fault? Actually in both cases Norris messed up the start and McLaren had to decide to change or leave the position. I'd rather say for each,
80% Norris, 20% McLaren as if Norris would have messed up, he would have been ahead. Additionally I would add Baku with 13 points as he should have won the race and eventhough certain media says the yellow flag was the issue, he made a mistake before, so it wouldn't have made a difference to the start finish line even there was no yellow flag.
Another point are the races in Canada and Silverstone, in these conditions, if you don't know, the drivers have more to decide than the team especially if they are ahead of their teammates, so actually Lando lost these 13 points, rather than Mclaren, but yeah in dry races like Saudi usually the team keeps the control. I also would say he lost in Brazil 10 points as it's known in the paddock at a certain point there will be a red flag, so if he really wants to fight against Max he has to be smart as him or Russell in this case instead of boxing. He probably would have finished 2nd anyways as Max' pace was superb.
So actually Norris would have at this point 417 points and he costed 72 points, while McLaren only 10 points, which makes clear, that McLaren is not perfect at all, but is McLaren as a team is closely operating like a championship team.
1. I think that’s a fair point, I guess since there were actual team orders in the Hungary race vs the Monza one it made me see them differently
2. In terms of Baku, I saw that personally more as bad luck so I didn’t want to include it but I do get your point there
3. I just remember hearing the team radio from the team at Silverstone and thinking that it needed to be less confusing for him but yeah you can definitely make a good point of that one being Landos fault
4. I think the Brazil race was already lost by the red flag point and again I guess that’s a toss up between luck and his fault but you can argue for both
Appreciate the comment, thanks for taking the time :)
@@NiallBruceF1 yeah the 4th point is hard to evaluate as, sure it's kind of luck, but also some decisions are very predictable, as it's the way how the FIA works and also communicated with the drivers. But in the end he lost positions and the points are the facts and not what he did there or then
Lando will finish behind Charles in the end. He's a one lap miracle and can get a lot of poles when sitting in a fast car, but when it comes to raceday he's merely mediocre at best.
I already like the video even tough I haven't seen it yet. Lando has been absolutely miserable in qualifying this year.
Hungary was not "contentious" Norris behaved like a man and gave up a position he did not gain.
Max is just the BETTER driver.
Lando Norris it's not better than Max, Hamilton or Alonso. However, I think he's better than Massa or Webber, and maybe he could be better than Rosberg someday. If that is not a driver who deserves to be world champion some day then I don't know what it is.
Hungary: OR Lando should never have lost the lead to Piastri to begin with...
Good idea, mediocre execution.
My point is that you should have talked about events like austria main race, in which he lost 17 points to Verstappen, BECAUSE OF Verstappen.
It makes no sense to talk about the sprint race, which is his mistake, and that he obviously shouldn't have tallied.
What I felt like hearing in this video is : "if Norris drove perfectly, he would've won that race"... Ok but then it's not Norris, and it makes 0 sense
Hey man, appreciate the feedback!
I think the way I was looking at it was more the things that were in his control (his own mistakes) rather than any “luck.” Like, here’s what Lando could’ve done better, if you get what I mean.
But I do get what you mean and it is unrealistic to expect him to be flawless when he wasn’t.
@NiallBruceF1 yeah, even though you did a good job summarizing his mistakes, we weren't on the same page as to what "losing points" mean
I was being a bit rough on the "mediocre execution", but I figured it was also a way to get people to read my comment
@@Prypak pathetic how you think you need to be rude to be listened
so we do not count the chrash in austrial where max gained 10 instead of 7 points
Check description
he also made so many mistake in singapore. Lucky that he have a longer gap to max
maibe mention how many points max lost in the beginning of the season, because of engine fail...
If if if. If my mom had balls she will be my dad
Its really hard to predict these things, here are a few changed I would of made.
I think Lando would of won Monza, because free air is king, there is no way Charles could of pushed his one stop strategy so far if he didn't have free air for such a long time. Also Landos pace would of been faster than if he had not been behind Oscar.
In Brazil, I would argue that P2 was in store for him, had he been in free air he would of had enough time to stop under vsc and still come out first. But I still think that Max would of won that race, he was on fire.
So that said IMO he lost 10 points in Italy and 10 in Brazil. Which would make the score 76 if my math is correct. But its all speculation.
Man, you putting everything here under perfect scenario. That almost never happens in real life.
Some of these points are pretty stupid and common mistakes that even redbull and max makes, this jeopardises your final points. For an example, locking up on old tyres while defending isnt a big mistake on lando's part and max has made similar mistakes too. Getting the strategy wrong is another, redbull makes wrong calls too, just less than mclaren, so it doesnt make sense to put every single wrong strategy call in this list. Imo only mistakes that shouldnt have been made should be included, not every single mistake.
wdym “mistakes that shouldn’t be made” xD. Every mistake is something you could have done better and avoided, that is literally the definition of mistake. A lock up happens when you drive beyond the limits of the car and tyres, limits which you as a driver should know. A strategy error is a strategy error regardless of how many you’ve already made and should absolutely be included lol. Clown comment
@phantomistix what I'm trying to say is that max has made mistakes too, just low profile ones. Which is why I think only high profile mistakes should be counted. For example lando's bottled starts and his poor driving in cota and Brazil.
All big IFs as max would say if my mother had balls she’d be my dad
Probably she has. That's why he become this cheater bastard.
Guess Max is just better huh
in a perfect world...
Red Bull does not exists.
Lando doesnt have it in him to be a champion. He cracks under pressure. Lacka the talent to judge a situation and make calls, soecially when its raining. Unless he has the best car, hes not winning. Max even without the best car is oerforming at wuch a high level. If RB can sort out whatever issues theybhave and give Max a competitive car compared to the Maclaren, he'll win easily
Why do people act like its impossible for someone to fix any of these issues
@Kawennirok why are you ac5ing as if its his rookie season. He has shown his lack of assessing the situati9n and cracking under pressure since Russia few years ago. Nothing has changed since then
@Whatreally123 its his first time fighting for a championship also even if it wasn't he has shown he can 100% he can just needs to iron out a few problems
@Kawennirok lol. That's not an excuse. He has t come into F1 without prior experience. Hilarious people bring up this as an excuse. He's a former F3 and Formula Renault champ. He has experience. And his lack of assessment and losing his cool was demonstrated in Russia and multiple times over the years. He's not a rookie. In fact, rookie Piastri has shown he has championship material.
All previous champa have seized the opportunity when they were presented. Lewis almost won on his debut. Max won in 21 when he had the chance and he went towards to tow with a 7 time champ with an equal car. He didn't have a better car than Lewis.
Seb did it when he had the chance and the car. Alonso did it when he had the car going against the greatest ever to do it, Michael.
So no, don't come up with vague excuses like this is his first time blah blah blah.
@Whatreally123 you cant compare lower spec series championship to one where you have to beat other people in cars that may have a faster then yours depending on the weekend
Also wasnt vettel the same person who also choked the 2009 championship
Its truly not that black and white lando has shown that he can drive and even fight for the championship your acting as if its his last year in f1 or this will make or break his career he still has realistically 10 or so years to get a championship
Max has won now
Points are won--not lost
Should've also calculated mistakes from McLaren with Oscar gaining Max points
That is actually a great shout, will keep that in mind for future videos
Norris is a knob and its gone to his head.