TikToker Rips Into J.D. Vance's Appalachian Claims & 'Hillbilly Elegy'
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Looks like J.D. Vance doesn’t have many friends in Appalachia 👀
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It's not liberal people that do this. It's rich people that are trying to get ahead. It's the "Look what I do for you" attitude.
yeah, the so-called 'job creators', who make sure they get tax abatements on their projects and tax cuts written into law, see you, me and out neighbors as commodities to be milked... peter thiel is that kind of ghoul and that kind of ghoul is who has vance in his pocket.
No, liberal people fall for it.
Thank God I'm not the only one who heard her correctly. ❤
@@Dyejob01 You heard correctly. She equates liberal with rich.
As someone who's from the north and sitting here like. I don't care about the south being poor- poor people are everywhere and I see a LOT of it up here. But I do certainly hate the south for consistently voting and supporting homophobic policies, voter suppression, racist policies and all... all of that. "Rights for me not for thee" attitude down there.
My family is from the Appalachian mountains and they're all Trumpers. I consider this so stupid since Trump deplores the white working class. Why would anyone from Appalachia vote for a person that wants to end social security and medicare? Makes no sense.
Typical Democrat confession via projection.
He doesn't care about them. They don't know.
Democrat and big fan of the white working class here.
You know the Biden Admin made unionizing much easier, and made unions stronger so they can bargain for better wages for the white working class.
Racism
RIGHT??!!!! THAT'S WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE!!!! They won't or can't listen, it's literally INSANITY!!!!
The only thing I'll say is, DON'T Vote AGAINST your own self INTEREST
This is the number one rule of voting. People usually put themselves first in life... but some people get so caught up in their shared hate that they forget.
THIS! I get soooo frustrated when someone who ASSumes because I am Appalachian to the bone, I am automatically a trumper. Lord no, I am as far from that as anyone can be! Then you try to explain the how and why that trump and his ilk are so horrible, it's like arguing with a brick wall.
This is an interesting point: but i think it's perhaps a little to simple? I thoroughly agree with what I assume (based on the context of this post) you're saying. But as someone with a fair degree of privilege, I regularly vote against my own vote self interest.
I *should* vote for the party that supports tax cuts, etc. because I would personally benefit, but I choose not to. I'm fortunate to live in a country where basic needs are, to some degree, met (living wage, healthcare, etc.), for which I'm grateful.
@@PostImperfect you may lose your healthcare and living wage...
I didn't vote for a convicted felon or someone that had a crackhore as a mother in the first place
I'm a mid-Atlantic liberal, I'm not rich by a long shot, my home is modest at best. I can't stand Vance or Trump. Like people in the south, people in the north are not a monolith. Just remember, the very rich keep us busy down here squabbling over scraps so that we forget to look up and see who it is making off with the whole feast. And this is just my opinion but from where I stand you want to place a lot of blame on Northern liberals. It's not northern liberals trying to keep you down.
Well said.
💯% spot on.
The people they are voting to represent them are letting them down. But they keep voting for the same people and keep getting the same result.
At some stage you've gotta ask yourself why do i keep voting for my own demise........
The old comic strip: A table, set for 3, a rich man, a poor white man, and a black man. Rich guy's plate is loaded down with cookies, while one solitary cookie sits on the serving platter... The rich guy says to the poor white guy: "Careful! He'll take your cookie!"
It's so apt, it's not even funny.
Your "scraps" metaphor is truly wonderful!
Never read the book, never watched the movie, never thought Appalachians were lazy, just exploited and discarded.
but boy can that guy play guitar
@@nobrainsnoheadache2434 I believe it's a banjo... -Yeah, after that movie, the word "hillbilly" summons that exact image. Goes to show how human brains work: We like to put things in boxes, so we can reference the label on the box, and not the contents. Saves time, but it's really imprecise. :)
dmp608 - I agree. I would not read the book, candidly, as just the title felt like an insult. Not interested. ❤️
I just thought they were into moonshining. Everyone I met there seemed hard working and very nice.
@@graydanerasmussen4071 pretty much OP's point :) btw the 'hillbilly' is playing the banjo, the 'city slicker' a guitar
We’re more alike than we think…we really are. she just described every poor, disenfranchised, underprivileged & underserved community. If we could only move past the surface bs we could move mountains.
They apply the same tactic to poor neighborhoods in every US city. Some of the best people I've ever met come from poor, backwood hollers. The media wants to make every white guy from the South a member of the clan.
You are completely correct. She should listen to the late great George Carlin.
‼️Yes‼️
👍
@@mart2020fulMost definitely!!!
I Lived and taught in Appalachia for many years, Vance's stereotypes of a miniscule group of highly uneducated people who have no concept of generational wealth, are some of the most inventive and resourceful folks on the planet. They have to be, since they're systematically stripped of opportunities. Many miners of these areas were, and are, used up without adequate healthcare and benifits, and for generations were victims of the "company store" where their pittance of payment was immediately folded right back into the pockets of unscrupulous corporations. Many were so ill treated that their only hope was to send young boys in to work alongside their fathers. Many if not all, succumbed to respiratory disease and cancers, without benefits of medical care. Along with a for profit healthcare system, many these peoples only recourse, is to turn to readily available prescriptions, which take every shred of dignity they have left.
Corporations, and poor Governance has failed Appalachia, not it's people...
Perfectly and tactfully said. Thank you!!! Once AGAIN IGNORANCE AT ITS FINEST!!!
Just like his boss.....
What happened ? Wasn’t DonOLD supposed to bring back the coal industry during his first failed presidency? Yeah another vote strategy. He lies at every rally. Can’t even put together his accomplishments. Are there any? Over shadowed by allowing 1 million to die ! Why would anyone want him back in office and with JD Vance please.
I’m from the Netherlands. When the government closed the mines, they brought new activities to the region. There came a new university, the pension fund of all government workers was moved to that region, and the country’s bureau for statistics. The mines were transformed in a chemical plant.
Healthcare was giving extra resources to work together with other organizations like social work to cope with the problems. And it worked very well.
The man behind this plan was a socialist politician.
Brilliant. Socialism is given a black eye in the States, primarily because capitalists continue to run the show, devoid on any empathy or concern for their constituents. They ony want power and money.
Vance is running on the Republican ticket, so the right also ate up his lies.
Yes this fast talker is full of irony😊
I think her point is that liberals got tricked into platforming him because his lies bolstered all of their already existing negative opinions of the region. If it hadn't been for libs that book would've sold half as many copies.
@@symptomoftheuniverse4149
The Smoking Gun will eventually report on Vance.
@@symptomoftheuniverse4149 Enlighten us on what's not true she speaks !!
@@maryshkamiceli8388 I do not need any reports .
As a black man I fight the same negative stereotypes you mentioned. Lets keep moving forward and rejecting all that is MAGA but regardless of the voting result lets keep listening to one another's plight, being patient, and supporting/helping one another. I know I will.
Remember when Hillary said there was a basket of deplorables. she wasnt talking about you, she was talkin about people like JD
Oh that's what se meant.
She was.
Killarney was talking about most ppl; the elites work to divide us-our coalescing is their worst nightmare.
I remember someone saying the streets in Appalachia would be paved w gold if the inhabitants had been properly paid for their labor and fortitude.
Never read his book, but holy moly, what a terrible movie-simpleminded stereotypes from beginning to end (don’t get me started on its dialogue-maybe it was written by a Yankee screenwriter just starting out).
Being liberal used to be a good thing-implying open mindedness, one who advocates for free speech, peace & fairness-now it’s neoliberal neoconservative warmongering.
FACTS!!
But they didn’t mind when Trump told them “I love the uneducated” or
“I don’t care about you, I just want your vote, I don’t care” ( they actually cheered)
The only thing wrong with her statement was using the word "basket."
They would never fit into a basket
Why would you think Vance wants to understand anyone, or their needs. Why bash Libs when this is GOP's VP nominee bashing and profitting off Appalachia?
Because the GOP defines itself as liberal. You people are ate up. An I’m independent. I’m not fooled by either corrupt sides.
It's partially the libs fault though. If they actually pandered to them like the Republicans do, maybe things would be different.
The GOP is incapable of empathy. It's anathema to the way their brains work (or how they don't, take your pick).
Because cults of personality are gonna cult.
Cause the Libs supported JD when he was bashing APPALACHIA.
My family is from Appalachia and I went to college in Atlanta. A bunch of people recommended Hillbilly Elegy to me thinking I would like it. I bought it on Kindle and returned it in less than 3 hours because F*CK that man!
I went to school for anthropology because I wanted to study Appalachian women and our relationship to medication (specifically, endometriosis) and at every turn everybody was talking about Vance. 🤢
@@NihilisticJawbreaker did you read The Blue People of Kentucky, most interesting book I've found about any part of the country 🤔 Other people, you would never look down on them again. You might thank God you're not from there, or wherever they came here from, because they have terrible history.
Kentucky mom here! Very proud of where I am from, proud that I have had my job for 26 years, raised 4 kids by myself, own my own home and have no credit card debt. I struggle,yes BUT through MANY generations of honest working Appalachian family values, hard work and living within my means was firmly instilled. When I was a child, of course I wanted name brand stuff and the 'extras' everybody else had and was fortunate to receive alot more than most, but I always wondered and thought about the 'rich folks'. My grandma said something to me that has stuck, those folks arent rich, they are just in debt!
JD Vance is EXACTLY the definition of carpet bagger!
working hard is a white supremacist value.
And he’s exactly the definition of a bootlicker that we would call him down here in Texas!
The art of being 'rich' is the ability to recognize what you WANT, what you actually NEED, and the grace of 'ENOUGH'.
Those who never recognize that they have 'ENOUGH' will always be 'poor' in their own minds, and always look down on those with a more realistic (and mature) attitude. Always having to have 'more, MORE, _MORE!!!_' are nothing but overgrown children who were never told NO.
Same here. I have little, worked hard my whole life, but what little I have, I earned and I am grateful for all of it. My kids are great people and I am proud to be their mom.
Explain the huge income in Bidens income since being in office?
Really over the idea that ALL Northern liberals have money. I grew up in NY as poor as those Appalachian folk. Poor people live everywhere. We just vote better.
EXACTLY!!
Yes!
It’s equally offensive to make blanket statements about northerners or as you say “Yankees”
You think we’re all wealthy and think we pee champagne!?
There’s hard working people that are fighting to make a living too.
This is the division the elite have pandered to separate the country.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm definitely a liberal, but in my mind, that's just another word for someone who wants the best for everyone.
100%. You don't have to be rich to be educated enough to vote better and be truly informed by actual FACTS... And therin lies the difference between a poor person that's a "yankee" vs a poor person in Appalachia.
Say what you want about "Northern liberals" but as someone born and raised in Kentucky I can tell you that Appalachian folks tend to consistently vote against their own interests simply because that's what their mama and daddy did.
That would be Republican.
And they were voting for Eisenhower Republicans, not today's Republicans that started going downhill with Nixon and Reagan.
Time for a change. 🎉
Woman shut up please. As if you know what's in the best interests of other folks who just want live without having to work harder to buy stupid electric cars. Pleease. Typical liberal answer.
Add my relatives to that list, thanks to trump jesus, the great unifier.
Amen
Hi. Liberal here. Can we hate JD together; I don’t trust anyone that sellouts their community.
And apparently it was only for a few bucks.... his book didn't sell well...lol
riseandfall - Exactly how I feel. 🎯
I know he’s disgusting but isn’t “hate” getting tiring?
@@AAB463honestly, hate is the least tiring and most effortless emotion. This is why politicians prey on hate and use it to their advantage. Cheap, easy and self-reinforcing.
JD Vance is owned by Billionaire Peter Thiel, (Owner and CEO of PayPal), this man funded Vance's charity which fell under financial scrutiny, Vance had 2 other business ventures that failed, (also funded by Peter Thiel), and finally in 2020, Peter Thiel "donated" $10 million to Vance's senate campaign in which he, (a first timer election runner), defeated the democratic runner up for an Ohio Senate seat in 2022.
I believe it was $15 million, but I could be wrong.
And I cried when Tim Ryan lost...😢 And I'm not even from Ohio.
yep owned & cuckolded.
He cheated to win - exactly what you expect of a carpet bagger
Good info!
The southern people ate this up too. The Yankees that you refer to are only the affluent ones and the ones that were raised in racist neighborhoods. Other liberal Yankees, who are working class wouldn’t agree with that book at all.
I've been around a lot of wealthy liberals. While there are excesses in liberalism and especially in that group none of them were racist and a good number could see clearly enough to see through.
My Canadian mom had a major problem with the depiction of the so-called "hillbillies" in Vance's book.
@@l0vemythdoubtful that “none of them were racist”. Probably not overtly so.
@a1ntcry1noveru I lived with these people for 20 years. It was an area very celebrated in multi culturalism as far as race, class, etc. I would be able to figure it out by then.
@@l0vemythWealthy liberals use the poor white man as an easy evil to get votes. That's racist.
Trump will throw Vance under the bus as soon as he can get away with it.
Yep, and he'll be blamed for his 2nd failed presidential campaign 😂
Pence 2.0
Won't be long either
Yes Trump will throw Vance under the bus. Just ask Mike Pence.
Especially if ShaDy Vance keeps opening his mouth & talking over Dump when he’s supposed to just sit there & nod at his boss like Pence did
It is strange to me that someone from a region that votes strongly Republican is upset about “Northern liberals”. Maybe if they stopped voting against their own best interests they would be better off.
Also, let’s not forget about the racism that motivates many in the region to vote Republican.
Democrats don't care for the white working class and Republicans only care about their votes and not doing anything afterward.
How's your own racism and ethnic bigotry coming along, sport?
Was there some reason why she had to INSULT all Northerners?
Is that supposed to be HELPFUL in some way in our fight against GOP FASCISM?
And insult liberals.
@@Bronte866 First time I've listened to this person, and while I admire her strength of feeling, her defence of "her people" and her condemnation of the vile Vance, I _really_ don't understand her disdain for northern liberals. Not only is that engaging in the same stereotyping she condemns, it's irrational, since the bedrock of liberal thought is that everyone is inherently deserving of respect and should have the same opportunities to improve their life.
@@allanmason3201I had to stop watching, she was droning and obnoxious. going on a rant about how her community is mistreated and misrepresented while simultaneously mistreating and misrepresenting a different community. foh
The disrespect was loud
She went viral on tiktok for saying that all European countries /culture are the same or similar - it did not go over at all 🫣.
Like how tf are you saying that Scilly is the same as Edinburgh or Stockholm 😱.
I'm a so called "liberal" who has never thought that about Appalachia. In fact have deep respect for people living in the Appalachian mountains. I really wish you wouldn't mischaracterize so broadly. You are, in essence doing the same thing you accuse Vance of. You don't know us, you don't know the braod range of thought, accomplishments. We go to church, we love our families and our country. you dehumanize us.
As an actual leftist and not a Reaganite Dem posing as the left , She's 100 percent correct in that Libs and their Neocon mutual admiration society ate the anti poor hate and hillbilly caricatures of JD Vance up when that book came out and I thought it was revolting and he was an absolute low life and a fraud .
@@rosariocannistraro3561 Do you not see the the irony of you complaining about being stereotyped while fully stereotyping others? Can you admit to your own hypocrisy?
@@19rudy73both-sidesing. You’re not stereotyping when you say you have been hurt repeatedly by the same group of people. She’s speaking on the discrimination and humiliation she has experienced from another, more powerful group. Calling people out for stereotyping you is not stereotyping. Getting called racist isn’t just as bad as experiencing racism.
I agree and wish she'd stop the misaligned rhetoric.
Same
Vance is loyal to no one but himself, but thanks for the insight into Appalachia.
TRUMPS not loyal to anyone but himself either APPARENTLY
Just like his running mate
Lol. Its kinda cute you think any of them are lol
@@sunnysidecarebear EXACTLY
@tenacious1 That's fine, at least Trump gave the middle class tax cuts.
So Appalachian people get the same treatment as black people that have lived in poverty and struggle with drug epidemic for ages. Stereotyping and generalizing is bad.
To put it even more simply...no dude can write a 'memoir' in his twenties while at university. You actually have to have lived to do that.
The South has Republican governments for years. The leaders do not vote to help the people. Some Southern do not participate in ACA. The leader votes against stuff like free lunches for kids over summer. People do not vote for their self-interest.
Happening here in Tennessee. One of the richest men in the state as Governor and trying to cut free school lunches for impoverished children and Medicaid. Turned homelessness in to a felony with a 6 year prison sentence and $3000 fine. Going to be building new for profit prisons to house them.
Southeast KY, leslie county , im 43 theres never been a Democrat party here in my life , none allowed by officials, only Republican and independent are candidates locally , i have to register Republican to get a local vote , oh yea this was Nixon's first public appearance since watergate , the town built a recreational center in his name 😂 so sad i laugh sometimes at the crazy
Just look at the demographics, healthcare scores, poverty rates for southern states. And many of them have key people in the US Congress who made their money off the state. Joe Manchin (West Virginia); Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul (Kentucky); Tom Cotton (Arkansas), Roger Wicker (Mississippi) etc.
I'm from WV. We have only had Republicans in control sporadically. Most of our history was Democrat. Our largest towns are still Democrat. They're drug ridden shitholes spouting the same pseudo liberal diatribe about DEI while they neglect the natives who suffer.
Joe Manchin was born to an Italian immigrant who owned multiple businesses. Strange how that happened. Which put Joe in a position to jump straight into politics. He's completely disconnected from the average native West Virginian. Born rich. Lived rich. Now his daughter price gouges people in the Epipen fiasco.
as a northern appalachain (vermonter). i was horrified by trumps vp choice.he could not have picked a worse vp. he basically threw away the rural white vote though, so theres no way he can win now, so at the same time im thankful. I am just worried about people who take JD seriously. ive been on social media telling as many people i can that he's a fraud, a cosplayer, and a fake,
I'm from the Midwest, but went to college in rural Vermont. Such a beautiful part of the country. And native Vermonters are the salt of the earth.
I don’t believe that Vance is his real choice. Trump chooses the dirty people to put them in the forefront so people know exactly who they are. I don’t think he would ever tell his real choice until just before the election. We’re all hoping it’s a Gen Flynn! JD is just a placeholder. See what’s happening? Everybody’s already dishing all the dirt on him. We have to get him out of the way. His past will do that just fine.
U really think he can’t win? I think he will win because the dems effed up by choosing Biden
I find it bizarre that you wouldn't be horrified by Trump himself.
@@kwoylee5617 no no the SA is fine, the crimes are fine, the "running the country straight to fascism" is fine.
Please differentiate between ‘government’ keeping Appalachian people down and what it is, their STATE governments.
absolutely.
They wouldn't be run by Republ1cans by any chance, would they? The same ones the repressed people vote for?
State politicians are directly funded by the national parties. In effect, extensions of the wealthy elite who control the levers in DC.
I’m a northern “Yankee” and don’t ascribe to the theory that Appalachian people are ignorant and lazy.
It’s unfortunate that you assume that all northerners assume these things.
She's talking about a generalised perception, which is evident in the way Appalachia is depicted in film, tv, literature, journalism. She's not specifically talking about you Aimee.
I'm from Welch, West Virginia. Think about who owns the government. The same absentee billionaires who owned the coal mines, and steel mills that they shut down from the 1970s onward. The working classes of all regions of the country must wake up to who their real enemies are; it ain't the ordinary working people of the North, East or West. It's the 1% who own 80% of everything else.
I am Black identified, mixed race, gen X daughter of a man from Alabama, my dad moved to NYC at 13 years old. I freely admit that hearing that southern twang does trigger me a bit due to some unpleasant experiences with some racist individuals, but I do know that not all speakers with a southern twang are racist. You are 100% right that folks have some f’ed up preconceived notions about each other. We have common folk have more in common than not. We need to link up!!💪
They conquer us by dividing us. We have to quit playing into the other side's hands.
There was some cooperation between the Black Panthers and some groups and regular people in Appalachia, before the government took out the Black Panthers. Some Appalachians were learning from the policies and programs (like the food programs) of the Black Panthers. But of course, marginalized groups working together to improve their lives is a threat to current distribution of wealth and power. So, we (or rather the people who benefit from the current distribution) can't have that. And that influence probably wouldn't have survived the influence of rt wing media (talk radio, cable "news," and internet) anyway.
For centuries, the elites of American society have worked hard to ensure that ordinary Americans reject the concept of class. The mantra that _anyone_ can become _anything_ in America is so deeply embedded in the American psyche that many Americans experience something close to pain when confronted with the fact that how wealthy your parents are, the circles they move in, and the environment you grow up in have a huge impact on your prospects. That's the impact of social class.
I think your point about southern accents is an important one. For far too long, many non-southerners (including some people from countries outside the US) have equated southern accents generally and specifically Appalachian English with a variety of horrible stereotypes: stupidity, incest, laziness, racism, misogyny, etc. The lived experiences of these individuals deserve to be listened to. They are humans that are deserving of the same dignity and respect we show all other people. I feel like everyone saying that Appalachian folks are "voting against their interests" is oversimplifying a very complex situation and once again buying into Vance's stereotypes that they alone are to blame for their own struggles.
@@loki2240Now the descendants of the Black Panthers are actively stabbing us in the back.
Not all northern liberals do. Don't stereotype
Plus J.D. Vance is not liberal by far. And his "bootstraps" argument involved enlisting in the Marines, something not every person can do.
Yeah. I get her point but she's essentially doin what she's criticizing him for.
I went to her TikTok to follow her, watched a few videos and changed my mind
I’m from Appalachia, born and bred in eastern Ky and lived here all my life. I consider myself liberal and take offense at her profiling of liberals as well. I cannot stand JD Vance but while he is making generalizations about Appalachians some of what he says are true. They vote Republican because they are by nature trusting and also are poorly educated not from lack of resources necessarily but they have to work: farm, mine,etc to try to live.
@@Kellysupernurse She's in her own bubble, like Vance is in his.
Quick fact check, parts of Ohio are in Appalachia, but those parts are, you know, East Palestine, Steubenville, Marietta. A suburb of Cincinnati certainly doesn't make him Appalachian.
Edited for clarity.
Chillicothe
I think the altitude of Middletown, OH is 687 feet. Not even really a hill.
Ironton, South point, Portsmouth, Chesapeake... That's where us poor people live
@@serraangel7465Nope. Really it would only refer to backwoods mountainous regions. Obviously you wouldn’t look at anchorage and call that a wilderness mountain trappers area would you? That being said, if he says that, he may just be using that for flavor. Kind of like someone saying they have Midwest hospitality or whatever and they aren’t even a polite or mannerly person, it’s just a piece of flavor or flowery thematics. Obviously being super defensive and prideful about a region is a bit silly, and neither does she really know everything about him. She’s assuming a lot, how can she surmise to know so much about his experiences in Ohio and Kentucky? It’s mostly just assumption.
Correct.
I love when people complain about people making generalizations by using generalizations about other people.
I love when bigots whine about being called out.
No one who wants everything privatized is someone who " grew up poor".
He's an Ivy League elitist.
Exactly.
I went to the same school he attended for law school.
He’s a creep.
He certainly looks like one. The guy you avoid at the bar.
He is a marine and went to Ohio State. You folks are so brainwashed and full of hate.
@nedhill1242 And Yale. He attended Ohio State and Yale, the latter on a full ride scholarship. Just adding this for the sake of facts and stuff.
@@nedhill1242his Marine service was as a public relations person. He went to Yale Law School.
This is so interesting. I love content that grows my understanding of people who are not from where I'm from. Anyone who calls a whole group of people lazy might as well have "bigot" stamped on their forehead.
You won't call a whole group of people "lazy", but you're happy to call a whole group of people "bigot". Maybe re-examine your behavior
I agree, it was interesting insight into a new perspective for me.
@@benguensche If someone shows himself to be a bigot what else do you call him?
@@jennylee9278 are you the arbiter of bigotry?
I agree but Jules is doing the same thing. She sure does a lot of name calling on other regions of the country. Using slurs against people “not from around here” , clearly shows she familiar with using hate speech.
These are the people that MLK Jr wanted to help.
And, we know how he ended up... disgusting. The GOP is a racist cult.
Bobby Kennedy (the Older!) too, if I recall correctly..
And they BOTH got killed for it 😢….
@@pierregibson6699 Well, you can't have an upper class if there are no people to look down on :P
For starters no one on the left is reading a book by vance. Get that out of your head right away.
Actually, it was very popular among different political persuasions, including people on the left.
It was popular among the upper class that wanted to blame the poor people in Appalachia for all their own problems. This is usually something that people on the political Right believe, the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" crowd and not people on the political Left who are aware that not everyone starts at the same place in life.
@@Sarah-said
there is no political left in this country
far right and center right
there isn't even a politician who would be considered "left" in a civilized country...
@@hannahm7373 Maybe a few read it but it most certainly was never popular among the left.
I'm from Ohio. JD Vance is an embarrassment.
I understand that the billionaire, Peter Thiel, is Vance's lunch ticket and basically bought the Senete seat FOR him!
same
The Atlantic also has several good articles about him and his reductionist descriptions of Appalachia. Anyone with half a brain can easily see what he’s doing w/that book and it just adds to that ludicrous GOP/MAGA narrative that “poverty occurs because folks are lazy, stupid, addicted or worthless and, as such, they deserve it.”
My sister-in-law was going on and on about what a great book it is and how it clearly depicts how people perpetuate their own misery and remain trapped in situations of their own making. I just wanted to scream.
Vance reminds me of a white Clarence Thomas in that he was afforded chances through several programs; programs meant to help level the playing field and reduce barriers to education and future opportunities. But instead of be grateful and push for an expansion of those programs so that even more might experience those opportunities, he believes he did it all himself; that his superior character opened those doors and his self-determination to pull himself up by his bootstraps gave him the American dream. AND, as such, since he could do it himself, so should others. Thus, he’d handily cut those programs because if people don’t have a safety net, they’ll either destruct (& no longer be society’s problem) or they’ll “shape up and ship right.”
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Uh, but no. The South has not been left behind from the beginning of the country. That part you got seriously wrong. The South & our founding fathers who enslaved huge populations were tremendously powerful people. And our early laws were written through their paradigm. We still have their idiotic electoral college and House structure only because they could count the enslaved as 3/5 of a person without giving them a voice or rights. When you think that enslaved folks made up 21.5% of the country during the Revolutionary era, that was A LOT of power in the South. Sadly, today makes it way easier to elect like Trump (or JD Vance) when the majority of the population did not elect them.
That’s not to say that there wasn’t a huge power dynamic between wealthy plantation owners and poorer white folks. There was. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s a little more complicated than how you portray it.
Yes, I agree with you. I would add that "the government" is a pretty big category. It wasn't the government who owned the coal mines, but it is the government that refuses to adequately regulate dirty industries so that people are safe from workplace injury and the environment can still support human life. Republican policies only benefit the extremely wealthy, who believe that they will be insulated from environmental collapse. But they don't seem to understand that they won't have any servants or service-sector labor or for that matter locally grown produce if there is environmental collapse. And no honey, no salmon, and no Beaujolais.
@@victoriabaker4400 Going on where you left off, Trump's Project 2025 makes it clear that in a future Trump administration, they plan to strike down environmental regulations and worker protections, all in service to large corporations. Furthermore, if they have enough seats in Congress, they plan to slash corporate taxes to the lowest level in 80 years, while raising taxes on working class people. I think it's absolutely critical that people learn what's in Project 2025. It's a free download. and I encourage everyone to download it. There are some really scary things in there. Remember the devastation that was caused in 2007-8 with the Great Recession because of deregulating banks? They plan to slash banking regulations, and to totally eliminate the government insurance that protects all of our bank accounts. There are so many things in there that are a thumb in the eye, or worse, to poor/working people that it's mind boggling. The plan includes eliminating Pell grants, which help really poor people be able to go to college. They also plan to get rid of payment plans that let people set their repayment schedule based on their income. That means people with student loans could instantly find their monthly payments tripled.
by the way, Liberalism is a mental disorder.
@@victoriabaker4400 And what are the Republ1can policies to be implemented from Project 2025 when tRump wins? In a large part, more de-regulation.
I couldn't watch passed 1:40 blaming northern libs for JD Vance 🙄 what?
I am a northern liberal and I don't enjoy hearing about poverty anywhere, and having traveled to all 50 states, I don't have a negative view of southern people. Your negative view of northern people is showing...
Sorry, sugar, we've been traumatized by your people long enough to jump to conclusions. Our accents are out there and first thing we are considered stupid hicks, so please do excuse the negative impact we've experienced in our travels around the country, but especially in our home places.
@@cynhanrahan4012sorry but when you have Margery Taylor Green representing Georgia, the south is going to get judged by that.
@@robinantonio8870 there is definitely that.
@@cynhanrahan4012 I am really happy that people here are actually talking.
absolutely . she lost tons of credibility when she even used the term yankee. it's a slur.
Those Appalachia State Government’s are 100 percent to blame for the poverty and desperation of these people. Don’t blame Northern Liberals for this miscarriage of justice!
Ya Democrats and RHINOS Are So Special. Just SATANS friends..
True that, I don't think they could have a worse government for their economy if they tried 😔. Still wondering how mcCONnell had a 32% approval rate, yet got 64% of the vote! Very sus 🤨, but how do you fix that?
@@dawnpence3248Apparently we don't. We just wait it out. 😢
@@dawnpence3248 When rich centrist (self-labeled liberal) Northerners patronize and pander while also calling them ignorant and the Southern rich conservatives at least sell them half an ounce of misplaced pride, what do you think is going to happen? Not to mention how hard it is to actually vote in many parts of that region?
I’m a lefty, green progressive, left of Bernie liberal Democrat. I grew up in the very heart of Appalachia in Charleston, West Virginia. My parents were attorneys and I am a 2L law student. We were not poor. We vote Democrat up and down the ballot. And we like northern Yankees. BLUE 🇺🇸💙💙💙
"Appalachia is very pro-union". Yet they vote for the most anti-union candidates. 🤦♂
That is why he loves the " poorly educated" and wants to keep them that way.
It never ceases to amaze me that they actually think that every poor person is gonna fall for that " it's the government keeping you poor". The government is keeping me at subsistence living if I worked for you you would pay me peanuts. I am good with the " devil's I know for now
Carpetbagging is exactly what Rick Scott did to become governor in Florida.
And bobert in Colorado
@@somethinggood-sy1ed I see a theme with Republ1cans here............
Carpetbaggercans
Im a whitewashed mexican hispanic chicano. I get it. Dont try and relate to something you know nothing about. Flame on sister 🔥
trump will not be president again.
Flameo Hotman!🔥
Yeah she sounds like she does. LMAO, then again as long as she feels better self absorbed culture these days, would NEVER think about raising a child in this day an age. For their sake. Insanity at its finest!!
Right here with you, cuzzin!! 😂😂
Are you an American?
I dont agree that all liberals are for JD Vance. That makes no sense. I am a liberal...born and raised in Cincinnati but in California for 20yr now. I can't stand that guy and can't believe the whole state voted him in after he called them all hillbillies...which I do agree is used as an insult.
That is not what I heard in the video. I think what she said was the Northern Liberals loved the book.
She said "northern educated, typically liberal ppl...absolutely ate the f up" which translates to being for him and his beliefs. Not sure what liberals have to do with any of this...does not make sense. He is a super conservative Republican. I think she needs to do more research.
You do research cause he and his book was wildly celebrated by Liberals and media outlets ,As a leftist that you think Democrats who are essentially Reagan and Thatcher for the last 30-40 years aren't right wing and racist and anti poor and have their hand elbow deep in racist colonial wars and coups . JD Vance was celebrated by these same people when the book came out and it was literally everywhere on media and message boards and I found it revolting but then again Libs hugged Bush and Cheney .
@@rosariocannistraro3561 Reagan was not a liberal.
I didn't say it wasn't all over the media but you, like girl in the video, are mixing liberals w Republicans...does not make sense at all.
I’m from Texas and had a gal from Kentucky come and work with us. I was there on her second day and did as you said, asked her. Where she was from. When she said Kentucky, first I said oh! Then I said ohhh. She said go ahead, say it…I said, well I was just gonna say, too bad you moved from one pair of bad senators to another. And she smiled. I said what did you think? She said well everybody here so far has said something bad. I said you mean because of Appalachia? One of the most beautiful regions in the country? Some of the best lakes, loveliest parks, most beautiful mountains in the U.S.? What did they say? And she said thank you. I said oh you mean jokes about hillbillies and inbreeding and stuff like that? And she shook her head. I said let me give you hint, hon. There are whole towns in East Texas that are a whole lot worse, some of whom have less than two teeth between the entire population. Many of them speak a garbled mix of Texan/cajun and if you can understand a word of it you are more Martian than American. And don’t get me started on the panhandle and oil field towns that rose and fell during the dust bowl era. There’s a big difference between Appalachia poor and dust bowl poor…water. But seriously, the towns are just as poor, just as exploited.
Interesting, the same thing JD Vance says about the Appalachians is the same thing people say about blacks in the inner city. The same voter suppression that's going on in Appalachia is the same type of voter suppression that goes on in the inner city. We feel for the people of Appalachia and speak out about what is being said about them and condemn how they're treated but we agree with the same sentiments when it's directed against poor black people.
Thank you. As a progressive I support policies that would help all from blacks in the inner city to Appalachia. Perhaps the ones that share negative opinions about blacks while bemoaning people stereotyping them should reconsider. These notions were purposely set up to keep them from pointing at the real sources of their issues. Not saying all there feel that way but if you’re voting for Trump and you are from that region you support it.
I completely agree. I’m from poor black neighborhood in south of Chicago and the perspective that is being promoted of black America in general is usually the poorest most violent ghetto version. Like all you see is news reports of violence, but you don’t see regular decent folk in poor black neighborhoods being promoted and they are most of them.
Yeah but poor black people have representation. Not white working class. Thats why I'm voting Trump Vance. Take care
@@oliviayoung8040 seriously? That math doesn't math, you are falling for a false narrative. stop allowing their divide and conquer propaganda to make your decisions
@@OK-pi6fqLol. BP have no representation. Show me how you came to this conclusion? Hate crime bill? NOPE. Reparations? NOPE. An effort to stop our community from being flooded by racist immigrants? NOPE. Oh, and the good ole "you guys have Affirmative Action/DEI nonsense is debunked by the actual facts. BP are the faces of these programs intentionally to to trigger those who hate seeing us get anything, but in reality the biggest benefactors of DEI are..... White women! Then the LGBT.
A working class person is a working class person. The fact that you think there should be a separate agenda just for the White working class says a lot about you. I'm team Trump, but you should be insulted by Vance being the pick. If you actually knew anything about him, the policies he supports and his rhetoric about the poor, there's no way you'd be happy about this pick
The South deserves adequate reproductive health care, which your government seems to keep removing from its citizens. Birth control is now a controlled substance in LA. With several other southern states with similar legislation on their books.
This is horrible news.
I know you are talking about Republicans aren’t you???
When you say "government" please specify which government, for example, your Republican run state government who passes these laws. NOT the federal government
My son now lives in Ohio and he told me that JD Vance is a big fat phony because he grew up in a relatively affluent suburb. But apparently, nobody was around to do that messaging.
And the way you described his depiction of hillbillies from Appalachia is the same as the way Black people are often negatively depicted.
So, it sounds like this is an all-purpose stereotype that you can just slap on anybody you wish to denigrate.
Are you kidding me? Don't be so negative. He had a harder life that a lot of people and pulled himself out of it. Just seems like there's so many people that keep can't make happy. You got to find the bad and everything sad sad
@@dianabutler9368he didn’t “pull himself out of it”. He didn’t excel in school and decided to go to the military. This allowed him to have all of his in-state tuition paid for. He grew up in a non-affluent region, which allowed him to qualify for a scholarship the Yale, that was endorsed by senator Bob Schuler, whom he worked for. He graduated and worked for an other local politician whom sponsored him to get into a law firm. He failed and then went to California where he then failed in the private sector. He didn’t succeed until he further rode the Peter Thiel grift sweepstakes. Most people don’t know that he wanted to run for office sooner, but chose not to because he had zero support. It is wild that he went from that to tens of millions of dollars just two years later.
What liberals are voting for Trump?! lol
That’s the most laughable thing I’ve read in a long time.
trump or bernie.. how would they vote?
they've already shown how
I'm from WNC. That area of Appalachia has been poorer since it's not a coal area. Though the really rural areas generate income from growing marijuana, collecting mushrooms, and ginseng. I'm also from an urban area of the region: Asheville. It's so full of transplants and now its property values are through the roof. I do find it interesting that the TikToker says people in Appalachia are pro union. The Republican platform has been anti-union since Reagan (and union membership has had a steep decline since then). If there was a way to have better messaging: that there has been more union membership during Biden and union worker salaries have risen quite a bit.
I hope the irony of the appalachian plight & complaints in relation to black ppl struggles and complaints, is not lost on them. Time to join forces perhaps? Remember, class struggle runs side by side with racial struggles.
@@paceyhackett552 check out from the Hood to the Holler.
the democrats exist to make sure that doesn't happen
not saying the republicans aren't playing their part as well
its a joint effort
I agree with her to some degree, except for the fact that Southeast and very Southern Ohio are Appalachian. They were coal mining regions of the same or very similar culture. Also, I feel like she's downplaying real issues with the South. One of my grandmothers on my black side refused to live south of the Mason Dixon line because of the terrifying Klan racism she experienced when she went down there from the north to work. As Dave Chappelle put it, Southern racism is just [insert connoisseur kiss]. It may not seem so bad to her now in 2024 because race relations have improved over 50-60 years little by little, especially in metropolitan areas or areas with a lot of non-Southern transplants, e.g. Atlanta, GA, Huntsville, AL, beach areas on the Gulf Coast, or areas around military bases. But there were high schools still having segregated proms as recently as a couple of years ago.
Also, Appalachia and The South are different regions with different cultures. For example, West Virginia (Appalachia) split from Virginia (The South) over the slavery issue, something that West Virginia should really be quite proud of in my opinion.
That said, Vance is terrible.
sadly, red states vote for people that do not fund programs to help people out of poverty. It's really frustrating when they have access to the same information but because of defunded education in those states have a hard time telling the difference between a chin that's reminiscent of uncle Fred and someone who may seem slick, but it's actually voting for your benefit. it's an awful cycle and I don't think liberals run for office do not have any animosity against the south. In fact, they vote for programs that will help them while their representatives vote against them. Of course, JD vans took the opportunity to make and exploit anybody.
Exactly. “The government” keeping Appalachia down is the Republican state’s government that keeps getting voted in by white Appalachian/southern voters
You've got some kind of huge knot of confusion going on here about what 'northern educated liberals' think or enjoy or endorse. An educated liberal from anywhere never blames an individual for the challenges they face. And reading books or seeing movies about those challenges is about trying to find ways to change society so that people won't have such a hard time just living. Liberals are also called 'bleeding hearts' because they can't help but feel the pain of every person who's having a hard time, and they have a compulsion to know about the pain so that they don't ever forget the people they're fighting for. The reason most liberals are on antidepressants doesn't have to do with their own lives, but their frustration with society keeping others down, and their own helplessness to effect change which will help everyone.
Great point!
The government has kept that area down? Um …. is this woman making these people not able to vote. Who is suppressing the vote there? The GOP. This girl is VERY confused and needs to grow up.
If you think she supports the GOP then we watched two completely different videos
I'd say your own state governments have a say in how Appalachia is ignord.
Vote blue no matter who.
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yes, and then you get people like joe and kamala
they are every bit as bad as any republican
they just appeal to the other side of the uniparty
It’s interesting that the authors of Educated and The Glass Castle attributed their success to others who helped them. Vance never thanked anyone who helped him.
That's because, like a remora, Vance is permanently attached to Peter Thiel, and you can't hear him from between his cheeks.
People like Vance always seem to think their good fortune is because they are virtuous and hard-working. They don't acknowledge the many others who helped them to rise up, and they only feel successful if they can point to others who are less fortunate.
@@cindysaroya1251- They're not all necessarily lost causes. Comedian Adam Corolla used to be like that, recounting that he was raised by a single mother on welfare and claiming that his coworkers on a loading dock could've become successful if they had worked hard like him. Friends and colleagues pointed out that he has talents that most people don't have, he received help from other people, he was fortunate to be discovered and to get opportunities at the right times, his coworkers couldn't have all become supervisors within the company - let alone successful entertainers, etc. And to his credit, he reflected on what they said and changed his stance.
Now, Vance is fundamentally different. His occupation depends on promoting such rhetoric, even if he doesn't believe it. So, we shouldn't expect any change for the better.
@@DonoVideoProductions LOL!
@@cindysaroya1251 Not every person can enlist in the military, either. And, yes, where's the, "Thank you" for the lift up by the Marines?
"The South has been systematically oppressed by the government and it had always been that way".
You said that with a straight face, and with no irony in your voice, wow. Maybe it just flew over your radar who exactly the oppressed people were, and oppressed by the South you speak of. I mean, come on, are you really unaware as to who was the oppressed, and who were the oppressors...ffs.
edit: Mind you, I'm not saying the South shouldn't be helped (it should), or that it should be ignored (it absolutely shouldn't), it was just the phrasing of your words and the lack of awareness I was pointing out.
I am a northern person and i do not think the way you say northerners think of you and the southern folks. I actually enjoy all the different people in our nation they all have wonderful qualities and different cultures. It’s wonderful.
Agreed. I’m an Ohio liberal and I have family in WV, SC, MS, LA, TX, GA and VA. I don’t think anything negative in general about them because of where they live. There are poor people everywhere and idiots everywhere and I refuse to play the games of the wealthy by pitting myself against those people.
No. We Northern People don't eat that "stuff up." Why would we? We don't care. but you get grants and funding from the federal government, donated by the northern states who are rolling in dough. So you're welcome. It's Republicans that keep you down. They're not a populist group. Therefore business millionaires and billionaires alike. So you may want to forgo with all the labels and look to the contents of the character of others, including northern people.
Exactly ! She is too young enough to remember the Dixiecrats and the southern strategy. I read his book, and I wasn't born in America. But I did spent summers in Dunbar,WV. with coalminers children. It's tough for them, but so is living in an inner city.
Thank you. I never read the book, never watched the movie. I don’t know much about the people or the region.
But, as she is trying to uplift one region, while bashing another, make it make sense.
Fair@@caroleappling2007
Liberals, many of them from the Northeast, absolutely did eat that book up. I remember and besides, the pieces written about it are still up.
I'm from the rural Upper Midwest, but lived in out east for about five years. Don't get me wrong, literally all my closest friends are from there, but... your region's reputation for arrogance is not unearned. A lot of power and wealth is concentrated out there too, much of it made off of resources extracted from poorer parts of the country. So throwing it in our faces that you have more money ain't gonna fly.
I had a good friend from Queens NY. IN the Army boy did he joke us Mountain folks made me laugh a lot he pushed me to get promoted and helped me a lot he went out of his way to help me got me involved with German Hillbillies same culture different country I learned a lot about people he made a huge difference in my life.I learned about his Italian roots.I still miss his big smile and laughs.😮😊
I'm a yankee, but if I had met someone from Kentucky I'd have loved to know more about them. That was before KENTUCKY went so MAGA. Now I'd be more reserved.
I understand. A lot of people have become more radicalized. It's not just the common foulness from family, friends, and religion. Modern media and politicians have lead a lot of people to positions that would shock their great great grandparents. I mean, there's a very real threat that we will lose our form of government and the rule of law.
Hi, I was born and raised in NE KY. You can ask whatever you want. I’m not ever MAGA so you’re safe.
Thete is a massive leftist population here in KY. Basically every young person. We have a dem governor and the hate here isn't nearly as bad as everywhere else. The right wingers here change their mind like the wind. They don't care a lot about anything
I live in Kentucky and went democrat when trump showed up and also started seeing things when Obama was president. There’s a lot of us that vote blue in Kentucky. There’s a lot that don’t too. trump flags are common.
I read that awful book and was stumped as to how it was so praised. I'm a white woman from Pennsylvania with part of my education, liberal or maybe left of that. When I read the thing, it seemed painfully ignorant of the people he was writing about, and his conclusion made me think his shoulder must ache from all the patting his smarmy self on the back. Ugh. Rest assured that I doubt everyone was taken in by the glancing look he gave the _actual_ people and area. Sheesh!
Vance is an unprincipled climber. He's hooked himself to the party of unprincipled climbers, thus the stuff that comes out of his ignorant mouth.
In America poverty is not restricted to Appalachia corporations and The Rich He's working people everywhere. I farm in California we pay our workers very well provide good housing and respect them that other farms that are corporate they're treated like trash sometimes not even paid what they were promised.
As an educated, Northern liberal I really don't appreciate you putting all of us in the same bucket. Because some think less of Appalachians and exploit them that means all of us do? I have never thought of poor Southerners as lazy or dirty and wouldn't associate with anyone who does. You're doing the very thing that you claim to hate, stereotyping.
Was she not talking about the Northerners during the time to text was written???
Please don't take her point seriously. It's not meant for you.
@@JJNow-gg9so- I don't take it personally, but it plays into the "US vs. Them" mentality that hinders cooperation and contributes to the maladaptive political activity of many Appalachians. If one wants positive change, one shouldn't promote that stereotype.
No, groups with more privilege don't get to play this "well what about you being insensitive about me" nonsense. That's not even mentioning the fact that you're complaining about being stereotyped based on your liberal political alignment which is something you have a lot more control over than where you live and how you speak.
You freely admit to being educated and are therefore presumably middle to upper class, so no- your life won't be affected by negative stereotypes about "northern liberals" will it? Not in the same way as poor southerners who face employment discrimination amongst other things.
Your class based privilege and discrete political alignment are perfectly valid points to highlight when critiquing your condescending and hostile attitudes towards working class southerners. Especially your political ideology, liberalism laid the foundation for neo-liberalism which is the economic theory and practice which ruined the lives of countless southerners and put scores of Americans out of a job and into the poorhouse, I can't blame any southerner for having a bad impression of liberals.
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Fantastic explanation.. But I don't understand the part about the "government" keeping Appalachia down.. Isn't it the corporate interests exploiting the regions resources and its people?
Many of those corporations are backed by politicians. It’s a very “scratch your back, scratch mine” relationship. However…they keep voting for people who don’t have their interests at heart. She speaks of voter suppression in the south…but most of that is aimed at black voters. It’s a big reason why the republicans have had a hold in the south for so long.
Because the government facilitates it.
The legislature of the governments of all Appalachian states are dominated by Republicans. These representatives did nothing to shift to new industries or opportunities when some manufacturing left, despite options being available. If you look at the historical trends, those manufacturing jobs coincide with the rise and further dominance of the Republican party in the region. While doing nothing for those people, the party was continuing to play up the idea that the Republican Party would save them.
Decades later, they are worse off and still waiting.
Ease up with the northern liberals please. Have you seen the heritage foundations 2025 promise ? Tell me why that is not the real threat to Appalachia/ any town / not corporate Americans?
It is a real threat. Its just a blueprint for a dictatorship. Everyone needs to read.
Nothing about what she said remotely implied that she’s right wing or that she endorses the Republican Party or Project 2025
They will keep voting for their own demise.
@@FranksHairSalon
you think biden and kamala are out to help these people?
they sold them out
their only refuge is those who don't *openly* talk down to them
@@FranksHairSalon You are an example of the problem, not the solution.
Hillbilly Elegy struck me as incredibly mean, filled with contempt for his own family. I read it because memoir is my favorite genre, not from any animosity for the South.
Excuse me! This isn’t a liberal movement. He’s an opportunist and led by capitalism. African American community experiences the SAME type bias and carpetbagging.
I'm from Massachusetts. So, you dislike me because I'm from the North East? That's not nice. I don't dislike southerners.
She has a US versus them mentality through her entire rant. All she keeps doing is crapping on northerners calling them yankees. Only people in the south use that phrase, and it is often very telling of their racism and bigotry.
I have lived in the South 11 years as a "yankee" and I didn't dislike them until I dealt with THEIR bigotry regarding me. Not endearing.
that is the reason I couldn't watch past 1:37, I realized I had started watching this a few days before and stopped at the same vapidly insulting point. This 'B' needs to get her head on straight and stop stereotyping all people she perceives as different from her. It's bigotry just the same. A Trump supporter, no doubt. I am not a Yankee (that was the 1860's). I am not a 'liberal' at least in the sense she uses the term as a derogatory smear. I am not a 'progressive' in spite of the fact I have lived all my life in the San Francisco Bay Area (and I've lived many decades). I even started watching 'Hillbilly Elegy' until I realized WHO J.D. Vance was and what he had said and stands for; I then stopped the movie and removed the book from my buying list; I despise J.D. and have despised him long before he was appointed Trumps heir apparent (he was right about Trump in 2016, but he is wrong for the United States in every respect now). He IS a carpetbagger, but I suspect so is 'NowThis Impact' in a certain way. If you are going to post videos, don't post derogatory remarks against entire populations of people you do not even know.
I watched your entire video and as a European, I am confused. You are very justly upset that the region and the people you are connected to are being negatively stereotyped, but you yourself are simultaneously negatively sterotyping another region and it's people, mocking them and making generalizing, absolutely wrong claims about them. You are upset that the Appalachian people are being misunderstood and disrespected by northern liberals, as if every liberal is overeducated, misinformed and prejudiced against the Appalachia.
As for Vance himself, he is neither a Yankee nor a liberal, so how is his book suddenly the fault of liberal north?
He's from Ohio, so technically he's a Yankee. He's definitely far from liberal.
Thank you 😂 that was perfect!
@@martibee8984 Geographically yes, but the ugly generalization here is that ALL Yankees are automatically very educated, very liberal and very entitled and biased when it comes to Southerners. That is, factually, simply repeating the prejudice one is criticizing, and ot is also blatantly untrue. Reading a few comments here, what astonishes me most is the fact that both the author of the video and some other people are accusing all liberals of being privileged by having an education, while completely ignoring the fact that these same liberals have been advocating for and voting for equal chances and better education for ALL for ages. However, most of the South is staunchly supporting republican politicians, who have been systematically destroying the US public education system. So if one is hating on the educated as being privileged while simultaneously refusing their attempts for equality and voting against one's own chances of education, then what are we even talking about here? Apart from nonsensically equating liberals with the current republican VP nominee, which is completely ludicrous, why are those who are attacking the educated also voting for the policies which keep them uneducated? What is the point of feeling insulted by something, if you yourself are choosing to stay so? Grotesquely absurd.
@gaiagreen2690 you see our issue perfectly. We say always voting against their self-interest a lot also 🤣 I hope 🙏 the girl reads the comments, it's like a crash course in critical thinking, or reality 101!
@@martibee8984 What are you talking about? Ohio is not in the northeast - and far from being a yankee
I am a Liberal Appalachian & as an Appalachian historian, I can confirm his family are among the first settlers to the Appalachia’s. I do NOT endorse him, but facts are facts. It’s ok to despise him, just make sure you understand his family’s history. With that said, he is definitely perpetuating the negative stereotypes & it sucks!
Thank you. I appreciate accuracy and honesty about this things above all else.
It would be a logic fail to imagine that his family’s centuries-past history gives him any insight into 20-21st century society in Appalachia. He has what, childhood summer holidays with grandparents? A child’s-eye glimpse.
That misses the point that he never *lived* Appalachian.
I am not going to listen to the supposed " faith" of any man who talks that way about women.
Hard to reconcile an argument about the stereotyping and disrespect of Appalachians with claims that it's northern liberals' fault. Never knew JDVance was a northern liberal. Does Trump know this??
He's a resident of Ohio, so he's northern at least. And yea, lots of northern liberals are bigots. Said state of Ohio has civil rights protections for Appalachian-Americans because they need it from everyone else who lives there. So, maybe STFU.
Only J.D. Vance is anything but liberal. Maybe you should look into the definition of the term liberal.
Dude I'm as leftist as leftist comes wtf are you talking about? that anti poor elitist freak was celebrated non stop by liberals and media like CNN/MSNBC/NYTimes and umpteen thought pieces were run and this wave of anti poor bigotry was everywhere on media and on message boards . Its the sane way people like Ana Kasparian from TYT and that Chick who runs Mother Jones have run the most vile anti homeless campaign imaginable for years . Liberals are frankly just Reaganites and Thatcherites with their ugly right wing views covered over with a happy face sticker .
Oh by all means post the time stamp where she said anything of the kind 😂
@@thinkforyourself-t6l She said it at the outset. Were you not paying attention? She blamed "northern liberals" for misrepresenting Appalachians, but that's exactly what J.D. Vance did. Are you claiming that he's a northern liberal?
Most of Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are from the hills of West Virginia, Kentucky. We didn’t have a choice, but leave our homes because there were no jobs no way to raise our children. I was over there in West Virginia a year ago upon a hillside just like JD Vance, because that’s where my Mommy is from and in all the years that I have traveled this country seen all kinds of places West Virginia always be home, but when I look around over there and I see, what’s your politicians have not done for you how they have not rebuilt those roads how they have not tried to bring any industry and they’re rushing. It almost makes me cry to see what’s Happened to my home. Some of us laughed because we didn’t have choices. God knows my mother would’ve never left the hills of West Virginia if there’s been anything there for her children, which would’ve been me, and I can tell you now I was raised in Ohio, but will always be a hillbilly.
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A legitimate issue that this woman didn't cite is the fact that Republicans often run unopposed in general elections at the local level. But other people do have the right to run for office themselves (despite the difficulties that entails). And again, Republicans pander to the dominant culture in rural areas anyway. It's not like a social democrat would get elected if they'd only run for office. And even American liberals in metro areas typically don't vote responsibly (they're just typically less irresponsible people in rural areas typicallyare). It's really an American problem - not just a problem on the right.
I appreciate the argument of what's the reality on the ground in Appalachia. The view from outside is a majority of voters voting against their own best interests. That's the reality out here. Using terms like "liberal yankee" serves to continue the divide which is the goal of the politicians keeping the people of Appalachia down. Instead of blaming and shaming, be specific about the problems and ask for help. Help us help you.
So, basically, vance wrote that book to show how extraodinary he is for having been the only 'Appalachian' who was able to pull himself up by his bootstraps, against all odds, against his inherent culture, against everything his 'culture' encouraged, nay allowed, him to be able to do? yes, that does sound like what I've observed (from a safe distance) of jd vance. He is just another corrupt republican.
Ozark Hillbilly here. Also, a political progressive.
Vote Kamala and Dems!!
Awesome! Spread the word.
Love it!
Ugh. You're jumping from one extreme to another. Voting red OR blue makes you a part of the problem, because the only difference between the two sides is their representative color and name.
@@ryanm7832 You are 100%wrong. 100% wrong. It doesn't take very much research to see the difference in what each of them stand for.
Look at what they've done, not what they say.
@@FranksHairSalon Lol. OK, buddy.
Im a Republican but I'm voting blue this is crazy
Then your not Republican now are yah.
Are you that stupid?
I was watching McCain debate Obama earlier and man... what happened to that breed of Republican? It wasn't like they were being nice to each other but at least they answered each others questions with full sentences and intellect.
I miss the real Republicans. I miss having a choice.
@@Merble McCain type Republicans are gone ran out by maga who's really the KKK white nationalist two different groups Liz Chaney is the Republicans you want they were called rhino s Republicans party is no more maga is a cult
@@Merble MAGA isn't Republ1can OR conservat1ve. It's Fascism and everything real American patriots f0ught wars against and d1ed doing.
The Grand Old Party is long de@d. Vote blue to save the Republic.
I really wanted to like what this woman had to say, but the Yankee comments were ignorant. I let the first one go, but she persisted.
You know what they say in the south...."A hit dog hollers" 🤷
Appreciate this video and agreed with your sentiment. But, the generalization that it is Yankees that ate up Vance’s book is wholly inaccurate. Look at who is voting for Vance. The way you generalize Yankees in a negative light is exactly what you are talking against in the generalization of Appalachian people.
Soooo, my takeaway is that Vance wrote a “memoir” anchored in a culture he experienced via shallow, childhood … tourism.
The best example of a carpetbagger government in theU.S. is in TEXAS!😢😢😢😢
Spends the video complaining about stereotyping while stereotyping others through the entire video.
If what you got from this video is that she’s stereotyping all northerners you didn’t pay attention
@TamlinHugo i think it's just one of many takeaways
Lately I’ve been watching both houses submit and argue bills and this year especially it just amazes me what stupid bills have been submitted by republicans. Nothing that would be helpful for their constituents! Nothing! Just focusing on really dumb sh-t. I encourage everyone to watch these proceedings to see what your elected representatives are doing on your behalf.
100% agreed.
C-Span is honestly more frustrating than even Fox News, as watching congressional hearings is just upsetting to see what republicans spend their time on.
I think you could cover why northerners/ international folk think Appalachians just continued to vote north south/ or confederate/ union. Or basically- against their best interests. This is validated when confederate flags are prevalent in red states. Also the oppression you mention- can be applied to many areas. Like black / indigenous regions /cities.
Ask how Flint water crisis was solved? It wasn’t.
Those same flags are prevalent in the North too , Go out to Long Island or Staten Island and you'll find plenty , And NYC and Boston are two of the most racist cities in the countries and are hugely anti poor . We up here vote against our best interest too .
@@rosariocannistraro3561 that, is scary.
I have no idea what she is talking about, she is all over the place, I don't remember the last time the Appalachian was mentioned anywhere, and the F bomb doesn't help make her point.
Afraid that instead of blaming Vance and the rich "conservative" that backed him, she got hung up on her dislike of liberals and "yankees". She was all over the place.
I grew up very poor in another GOP dominated mountain state. The GOP has for decades supported the rich and big companies over the people that vote for them. GOP wants, and has for decades, to keep pay low, not provide healthcare, restricted voting rights and generally misused the people they are supposed to be in gov. to support. But those that live in GOP dominated locations hear so much disinformation, for decades, I believe they are afraid to vote for Dems or just don’t vote at all. Voters need city, county, state and federal officials that have their best interests in mind ALWAYS. It doesn’t help folks in GOP dominated states that President Biden has passed a bill with plenty of funding to get internet to rural America or President Obama passed a bill that changed healthcare in our country if GOP governors and congresses refuse to accept the federal money to help the people in their states. Believe it or not some states still have not accepted federal money to get the poorest people healthcare in their states! Just like GOP federal congress reps bragging about bringing jobs to their area, but voted against the bill signed by Biden that brought those jobs to the state.
Get out there and vote blue. tRump is for tRump. He just wants your vote. He despises you and everyone you know and love.
I want to hear more from this woman and everyone else who identifies with her. That was a good watch, and anyone who has had the same experience with the government and elections, regardless of who or where you are, regardless of who you are as a person, we need to hear it.
He is a SELLOUT.
He will do anything, say anything to advance himself.
"Ad Vance?" Really??
Didn't read the book, Didn't watch the movie.
Sad that she takes the word of the very people who keep the Appalachian people down that all northeners look down on you. Maybe needs to look at the MONEYED people running their states rather than those who have no control over how those states are run.
As a Midwesterner who lived in the Northeast for about five years, the reputation is not unearned. I met some good, honest, hard-working people out there, but a lot of folks condescended to me when they heard my accent or found out where I came from. And let's not pretend wealth and power isn't concentrated in certain parts of the country or that some of that wealth wasn't extracted from poorer regions. It's not just our own keeping us down.
Unfortunately most of his supporters don't know what a carpetbagger is because you'd have to read books to know what that is, and those same people want to ban books lol.
I'm an independent and liberal. I wonder if anyone who talks this way is actually aware of what liberal means? I suggest you look it up. There are many ppl who want to do right by others and turn things around to benefit everyone, but too many voters don't bother to really know much about the candidates. I believe our past actions say it all. I encourage everyone to do a little digging. See who your giving the gift of your vote to. Who really has your best interests at heart... not because they say so but, their actions do.
A lot of people think they're liberals when they're centrists. It's pretty sad.
I wonder if she realizes that Appalachia, as a geographic region, extends well north of the Mason Dixon line. The south is completely different from Appalachia