I think tartarus is supposed to be a reference to the place where the steep hill was in the tale of Sisyphus, who cheated death by capturing Thanatos. Sisyphus was condemned to roll up a boulder for eternity up this hill, meaning that when he got close to the top, the boulder would end up rolling back down somehow. This would explain the monotony and long ascend of Tartarus in P3, which mirrors the message relayed in Sisyphus since it had to do with being punished for cheating death. Interestingly enough, philosophers have attempted to recreate meaning in the message of the tale, where one can imagine Sisyphus finding peace and fulfillment in this endeavor, even though he was condemned to a pointless taks for all of eternity.
Tartarus is the lowest layer of hades's realm (hell) in the greek myths. Altough thats were Sisyphus ended up, the place in the game is likely based in tartarus as a hole, not just the steep hill.
34:58 On the note of nitpicks with the evoker, I really miss how Makoto would spin his evoker when using his persona. I know that he spins it when you switch personas but it's not really the same. They could've even put the animation into the startup or something as your selecting which ability to use but he just puts it to his head normally. Regardless though I love reload and it's in my top 5 for sure
@doodoo7207 idk with which people you hangout with but every sane person should have ninjas=cool as an default and i will not elaborate on this god given fact
I will absolutely watch the entire video but did not expect this from someone who primarily uploads FPS content. Persona 3 is my #1 single-player game, life changing experience. A discussion I've had with a friend was Reload could've taken more chances to try new things but played it pretty safe. Some of the new music I'm not quite keen on as it felt some were changed for the sake of change while others felt completely refreshed and faithful. I agree with everyone that tone of the game feels less dark, especially outside of January. The new VA cast I think did a phenomenal job though and honestly see them as the new faces for the characters while still having attachment to the old cast. Overall I don't think Reload did anything wrong but had some presentation changes that weren't as thematic as they should've been and didn't try to take any risks whether it be through gameplay or presentation as well. The biggest blunder for me is the lack of developing The Answer and having the it be developed post launch and charged for extra. It's better than a new game entirely a year later for $70 but it's hard not to just modify FES with the party control mod and play the game for free, or just buy an original copy for less. EDIT: Since we all have nitpicks my personal one is the lack of portrayal of the use of the evoker by having it pulled out during the skill selection rather than after using the skill. I miss Makoto and Mitsuru spinning it into place it was always satisfying even if over the top.
"The new VA cast I think did a phenomenal job" Disagree. With the exception of Zeno, none of the new actors are good. Fuuka sounds like she is out of breath and will faint out anytime soon. Mitsuru's sound doesn't have commanding tone the way original VA had. Dont get me started on Akihiko and Ken. It seems like very less time went towards voice direction and more towards marketing and we got mediocre voice performance in the end.
@saadmirza4221 Totally fine to disagree. I can't see what you mean personally, but I do think Shinjiro could've sounded more gruff and Fuuka less like Haru. I also don't get your point on how voice acting has anything to do with marketing. I don't think anyone bought reload based on VA's. If anything, people held concerns until launch if they would do a good job in their opinion. I knew none of them besides Allegra Clark and Aleks Le and I didn't feel more inclined to buy it due to that at all. If you've read that people did then I think that's a bit odd.
He uses Persona music all the time if I recall correctly. Between him and JrRizzo, there's a weird crossover between CoD fans and Persona fans. I never expected there to be an overlap
The changes were definitely catered to newer players only getting introduced to P3. I really enjoyed the social link reversals from the original, as well as the random skill inheritance in the original, but I'm sure players now would not take too kindly to that. I dunno, I just think the restrictions from the original is what made the replayability a lot higher. Now you can go willy nilly through the whole game in maybe 1 or 2 playthroughs. That being said, reload still added many good things to the game, but beyond anything, it reintroduced this masterpiece to more people.
I haven't played Persona 3. I have the PS2 Persona 3 FES. Should i play FES or get Reloaded. Asking because I'm choosing which game to buy. Persona 3 Reloaded Or Yakuza Infinite Wealth.
it made me so happy when you mentioned the original quote from aigis that they took out at the end of reload. it’s one of my favorite quotes from any media, it just means so much to me. I was really sad when I got to the final scene of reload and she didn’t say it, but I think the message is still the same. I haven’t really heard anyone talking about it, so it made me glad to hear someone else say that they should have left the quote in the final scene :)
@@lilsasukevert3102 lmaooo I was going for 100% completion first playthrough (ended up only missing all social links being maxed) and grinded quite a bit in tartarsauce
My take on the Nyx Arena in Reload is that in the original it kinda looks like they forgot the dark hour's moon is not white, so it looks like the fight doesn't happen during the Dark Hour, while in the remake they kept the colors of the Dark Hour for the final battle.
To be fair, once nyx descends to earth, the dark hour ends and the fall begins. Everyone is conscious during the nyx battle which is why we get to hear the social links in mc’s duel with nyx.
@@alexanderluna4598 People becomes contious after the battle against Nyx Avatar, after you defeat all 13 arcana phases. So during the battle it's still the Dark Hour there.
It's just an artistic choice that made for MUCH better art direction, and as with a bunch of things it Reload it was watered down and completely lost in translation. The focus in the battle is obviously the oppressive feeling of the moon, Nyx, crushing down on the arena and the world at large and the arena reflects that idea. It's just like how all of the boss arenas for the 12 shadows distorted the area around them, it makes for a dynamic scene instead of just standing somewhere. Not to mention Nyx avatar looks WAY better without the piss green lighting... Also it's not unlike how all of the Tartarus blocks themselves are completely unique and don't look much like the dark hour looks in the city.
I miss the dark atmosphere. It feels so much more upbeat in Reload, less bleak. Maybe it's just that I'm older now, but the suicide-like aspects were so captivating to me in the original. The anxiety and tension are just lost in a lot of scenes. Other than that, I LOVE reload so much! The quality of life features are fantastic and it's beautiful.
I think SEES were meant to be people who were disconnected to each other at first, but learned to bond extraordinarily through their hardships and struggles. The main character being the glue of the group since he's already come to terms with his major loss in life, he's able to teach them all something important about life. I think reload does a way better job at this. that was one of the worst aspects of the original, the ending scene doesn't hit as hard when you don't get the feeling they were actually becoming close to each other.
38:54 I think that Junpei also really leans into that. He explicitly says that, before meeting Chidori, he really had no good reason to live. Hell, he didn't even know what he was fighting for, despite that being the one thing he was really good at. It's not until Chidori sacrifices her own life to save his that he finally gets the will to not just persist, but strive for more. To a lesser extent, you could even argue that Ken leans into this too. His life was consumed by a quest for revenge, driven by the man who took his mother from him two years ago. To finally come face to face with that man and then have that opportunity taken away from him, and not even in middle school, is a hard thing, but he eventually grows past it, finding a new reason for living.
35:37 I understand. When you play something for so long, what others would consider a nit-pick could be a make or break experience. Or it could be the thing that makes you want to play something else that night. Akin to the Death by a Thousand Paper Cuts
The tone changes really suck, because if they didn’t change the tone this would’ve replaced the original for me because the difficulty can be reintroduced with mods, but the new tone really puts me off.
But then every now and then you get a weird crackling sound. It also ups the bass WAY too much, and it ends up overpowering the other instruments. So the music just doesn't sound like it actually should.
YOOO FINALLY CHOPPER FINALLY, AS AKIHIKO SAID "IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!" I remember seeing your joker cosplay, and when you used to make the cold war top 10 I remember hearing persona music in the background! NICEEE!! I know a persona fan when i see one
Thanks for this honest and sincere review. I have a deep relationship with this game as it was there with me during the latter half of the worst years of my life when a large part of my family died. Your video gave me a few more reasons to keep going with it. I quit after the awakening scene and watched some of the rest. My greatest problem is the presentation; a combination of sound, voice acting, and scene direction with a heavy change in tone. All things that really hurt the feel of the game for me. That horrific, dark and sad atmosphere has been dulled and I can really tell the difference. It was painful to see, so I quit. But after all these reviews I didn't know that they added in more time with the guys and the SLs are voice acted now, I do want to see that. And experience a less tedious Tartarus.
For me personally I 100% noticed and at times was bothered by the sudden tone shifts, however when it came to any of the serious or emotional story beats they all still landed extremely hard for me. Largely due to the new and imo AMAZING voice acting and the additional events with your male party members by the end of it I cried more then any other media has made me period
I personally did not like the English voice actors, but the Japanese did sound good. I'm very glad for the additions I didn't hear about like the events.@@WickedKillaYT
I openly laughed when Thanatos burst out, cutscenes direction is lacking but as others say where the emotional moments really matter they hit it out of the park. I miss the old VA but overall they grow on you and as a Fes snob I actually prefer the new voices
@@mrthebunnyhuntr As soon as The awakening was about to happen I Said I swear if they do this shit dirty im dropping it and Boom 3D, no blood, wrong color on the I and thanatos looked silly and less scary
I really don’t understand how people can compare Tartarus to the hand-crafted palaces in P5/P5R. If anything it’s more akin to Mementos and the TV world due to their procedurally generated nature, and I gotta say, Tartarus in Reload is my favorite implementation among the three. I only really got fatigued at the very end of the game when I was grinding for certain weapon fusion ingredients, but for Mementos that happened at about the 2/3 point of the game, and the TV world bored me out if I ever set foot in the same world for a second time. Also in Reload you don’t need to revisit old floors that much to grind EXP or complete requests/rescue missions. I did all the requests and rescues, and I’d say on average I visited each floor about 1.5 times, whereas in P4G I had to visit each floor at least twice (bar the new dungeon added in Golden) to complete all the requests and secret bosses.
10:21 absolutely agree on the intro not setting the tone right. i was like… even if they’re trying to shock the viewer who might not know about the evokers, who self-narrates that sort of thing 😂
Ya I mostly agree. Og p3 had this Ethereal, early 2000s edge and creepy haunted CRT vibes that have been slowly widdled away adaptation after adaptation in order for it to fit in with the modern design theory. My biggest example is how the color scheme of Tartarus feels like it was taken from the OVA series, cause they look is nearly 1 to 1 Or how most of the script in P3R is based on the portable script, and thusly has characters pantomime the scene more instead of letting the visuals tell more of the story
The original gives old anime Neon Genesis Evangelion vibes. While reload makes it more lighthearted like modern anime while still maintaining seriousness to it. I understand why people would prefer the original cutscenes and story, but I also think the new depiction isn’t bad.
This is my first time ever hearing from persona but since it was in the game pass I tried it out and it was really addicting and I really enjoy from a brand new player I find the bond of the characters really interesting as well as the story only complaint is that some cutscenes were animated while there were other moments that I think would for to be animated but wasn’t. Overall it is an amazing game and glad to join into the persona lore
I finished the game a few days ago, and what a game. I really enjoyed my time with it. I think the social link episodes with shinjiro were excellent, it made me like his character even more
33:40 I personally think the new Yellow tint of the dark hour fits the aesthetic theming of the larger modern Persona lore/world implications more. Especially since the color yellow tends to correlate with shadow-like worlds and the yellow eyes of shadow versions of characters. When you think about it the moon/Nyx being Yellow during the dark hour has been a thing for a hot minute and I've started noticing it during the final shots of P3D's OP. That said I do somewhat agree with the lime-green tint of the Dark Hour feeling off, and only because if it was a more Yellow hue the entire screen would look blinding.
Honestly, I never noticed the colour thing until you mentioned it. I knew P4 and 5 had a similar approach to how they treated shadows, both in terms of design and intent, but I forgot that 4's use of yellow as a means of discomfort extended to the environment.
I will say one possibly unindented effect of removing the reversal mechanism (as someone who started with p5 and has been going backwards to flesh out my understanding of how we got to where we are) is when moons auto reverses I damn near had a heart attack ! it had me questioning for a minute if it was in the game and I got lucky or not and with it coming that late in the link I thought for sure I had just blown a lot of time put into the character (as I was aware of the reversible links but never got around to playing og p3) and had me questioning what on earth I was supposed to say so that fake out really worked on me 😅
My least favorite cutscene moment in Reload is the Magician bitch slapping Yukari and the following slowmo shot. The original is not only more abstract and sharply edited, but it never shows the shadow attacking Yukari. It only shows her putting the Evoker to her head, then a second later falling to the ground, the Evoker landing in a mysterious puddle of blood. (It also doesn’t show the shadow standing still over her body for what feels like 15 seconds) A first time player won’t know if she’s even alive until AFTER Makoto has already picked up that same Evoker and summoned Orpheus. The tension of not knowing Yukari’s fate, and whether or not Makoto will share it, is the most tragic loss of Reload (alongside whatever happened to Thanatos).
I HATE how many days you cant actually do anything in persona 3. This made it even more stressful for doing the sls, and ESPECIALLY in reload, since there are more social links, like wtf 💀. A prime example is the summer sports week were you cant do anything in the day during that section
I am super interested to see what they do with The Answer later this year. I played FES emulated on my PC a few years back, and I just couldn't get through The Answer. Forcing the game to be on Hard was one thing, but taking away the Persona compendium really killed it for me. I ended up giving up partway through and just watched the cutscenes online. Hopefully, the at minimum the QoL improvements in Reload at least are enough.
Great video bro! I appreciate your take. The original Persona 3 was my least favorite of the Persona series, but I still loved it, but because it was so depressing, I wasn’t into it as much. I loved everything about Persona 3 OG. But I loved Reloads take on it all as well.
I very much agree with a lot of your points and i must say this video is much mire respectable than other opinions of reload because instead of just shittying on the game for smoothing out the edges you give credit where credit is do and even point out things devs have said, especially in an age where everyone wants to claim developers want to scam the consumer and dont care about the game experience. One of my biggest opinions of persona 3 reload that i will always hold dear is that it's a response to a call. Yes, i love everything about burn my dread, its message, the symbolism, and yes, even that edge factor you mentiomed of "i shouldn't be playing this" all of that is true and ut us Goated, i also agree that full moon full life does shave the edges down to a dull point. But i think its important to understand and i think you do because how you conduct yourself, the original is still there, anyone can go play the original experience, those that want Ai party mrmbers (even though theres an option) those that want femc. Reload is a mature answer to an Edgy game that many many played as a kid or teenager. It was something that presented this despair and feeling in life that hurt to exist. traumas, pain, etc. Persona three has many messages about how life is short and to treasure each day, but in that same semse, i think a lot of people miss the message reload is portraying, and that's hopefulness in the face of despair more so than the original game, the characters, more fleshed out, the story. Structured a little better, the cast also becomimg closer. None of this is reflected more than in the op movie if Reload where you get all these DARK HINTS AT Things, Yukari's sad reflection in the water vs her smile in the mirror, junpei's happy go lucky demeanor vs the gunshots and blood of the dark horror (and probably chidori) the shinji, ken, and akihiko scene reflecting that whole situation, to mitsuru seemingly running from her problems. This opening, while yes, has a lot of just open stylish sequences made for someone who experienced the original or upon viewing after finishing you notice the details, and i dont think that elevates one over the other, the both have a reason to exist and are both very good. Equal, in my opinion. Then, the lighter aspects of the game, like the opening cinematic, I'll be blunt. I dont think it's that bad. While yes, i agree that the original was made as good as it was due to probably working around limitations, and it made you feel anxious and nervous. The edge wouldnt hit the same. And if anything with the modern day would probably have gotten bad media swarming it just for the edginess and is that a problem with society? Yes. But i also just think its an easy way to introduce fans who are newer without stabbing them, the p4 and p5 fans, and even the first p3 fans, we now have an easier entry into p3 that is mostly the original game, but just like with any game. If people want to play the classic, they have that opinion. It doesn't take the quality of reload down any for me. Personally petsona 3 fes and persona 3 reload both hit me in some of the worst times of my life and this time around i dont feel i need to fall into feeling that edge of the OG, i know the message and im seeing my cast of friends together again made with love and life in a new light, think reload respects your time as a fan and newbie alike and it for me is game of the decade, just like persona 3 was way back when. It got me through the hard times then. it's getting me through the hard times now. Im more mature, and i have my own philosophical beliefs. I personally think its time to release makoto from being the seal and eotber someone else (liz) take his place or wr admit that when people heal trauma, accept the truth, and rebel from control. We dont strive for death like suggested by nyx, we need a true philosophical challenge to nyx's answer to be able to justify makoto's life being free. But i think it's childish to believe that someone should suffer for all eternity and the weight of humanity because we can't move on
Persona 3 is a game that impacted my life greatly. I remember Persona 4 being my first Persona game and an amazing expirience as well back in 2012 but Persona 3 was at a different level for me in winter of that very same year. That game is one of those things that made me the person who I am today. This game made me have the taste in music I have today which is pretty much listening to everything but especially sample based surreal music like stuff from DJ Shadow and The Avalanches.
20:40 in persona 4 certain social links could still be reversed. 36:00 it was only in p3 fes that u can wield any type of weapon in the original p3 it was only sword 40:30 episode aigis (the answer) is technically not part of the original p3 experience either but i get your point
I think the beginning scene with yukari in reload wants to convey something different then in the OG in OG basically no one knew what the gun was actually for so just seeing it makes you think she wants to end herself so they uped the tension to make you feel really uneasy in reload though there is a chance that the person playing has consumed or seen P3 media already and could know what evokers are for therefor it would feel a little weird to try and convince those people that she wants to end herself by talking to herself yukari want to encourage herself to finally do it new players would think she is gathering the courage to end herself while the people that know understand that she is seamingly scared to call upon her persona so the peptalk she gives herself makes more sense
Yeah but a story should be told through the context of not knowing anything about it, not through commercials or hearsay. It also makes the awakening scene way weaker because in the og the fact that the gun evokes a persona is almost a plot twist for the first hour of the game (despite seeing it in the opening sequence)
8:15 interestingly the reload version takes more aspects from p3p. Yukari talks in that version too which kinda ruins the mood. To me FES has one of the best intros to any game ever exactly because of that opening scene. The initial thought is obviously that Yukari is suicidal and her immense anxiety and silence makes the scenario feel so tense and almost painful to watch. It also keeps on building tension the first time you meet her and she goes for her gun, still very anxious. Then when the reveal happens and you unlock Orpheus that catharsis of realizing where all the tension was building is so cool and satisfying. Yukari almost feels a bit goofy in reload by comparison. Yukari's entire personality feels a bit awkward and stiff in FES when you meet her but in Reload she feels like a bit of a clutz. It's not a huge change but to me it's things like that that make FES' story feel better than Reload's.
I think for theurgy nerfing, DO NOT drain ALL the gauge for each battle done because that sounds so irritating and not every battle would necessarily grant access to the theurgy gauge. I think 50% reduction when theurgy is full but not used after each battle is alright with me. Saving limit break like abilities is part of the fun of an RPG.
If you think of original P3 and P3R in the same context with Eva and the Rebuild movies, then it kinda makes more sense in my head, especially with the lackluster sections of the emotional impact of the latter. Will Atlus go that route? Hard to tell, hopefully we don't need to wait 9 years for that. All I can say is, in this headcanon, Liz sure did quite a bit to temper the severity of this worldline. Is it enough to loosen the shackles of Door Jesus? Again, hard to say. And watching your video till the end strengthens the likelihood of that headcanon to be true.
Palaces in P5 are great, but they’re different from the challenge Tartarus brings imo. Palaces do 55% exploration and 45% battles. Tartarus in Reload is just very addicting to me, as someone who really just likes the pure gameplay. Yeah I like the story of dungeons and palaces in persona. But Tartarus is a good trip in of itself.
I get where you are coming from and it is a very valid point of view. Like you, I played FES (including “*gasp* the enemy - the answer) and P3P (although Kotone only in this one; it feels very persona 4ish). With that said, I love Reload so much it is in par with P5R being still very faifhful to the original, with like Stupei Ace Defective and some other scenes that are 1:1. If you stop to think about it, Hashino is a mad lad for not using the Press-turn system in Persona, although the game was running in the Nocturne/DDS engine and most demons were originally from those games.
Thanks for detailing some of the most significant changes. It's unfortunate that Reload tries hard to be a softer game. There's another scene that was changed, Man With Headphones, which was this chilling animated scene originally and became a very meh 3d slideshow. Reload is still incredible but I hate that it rejects the roughness of the original. You can hear it in the music too - almost every battle track is less crunchy in the remake, less percussion. Vocals are better in the majority of the songs but they lose all their power.
Id like to clarify that you can avoid the girls in the hotsprings by picking the right options hide in steam throw duck then make a run for it iirc the game just doesn't make it very clear.
They def butchered some of the cutscenes but the ending was done way better in my opinion. I was disappointed by the opening cutscene but the intro movie is my favorite Also im genuinely shocked a cod UA-camr likes persona
Of course comparing tartarus to the palaces is gonna be an unfair comparison, I think comparing it to mementos is a more apt comparison though. Mementos was super boring for most of persona 5 I found, because I just wanted to go to the palaces, but I had either finished the palace or needed to grind in mementos (to beat okumura) Mementos was just a side thing that only became interesting at the very very end of the game, whereas tartarus imo is much better at introducing new elements that make the floors at least a little more interesting to progress through. Tartarus also made me feel like I was progressing towards something, it was clear there was a top floor from the very beginning, it's teased from the very beginning and throughout the game that reaching the top of tartarus will be important, but mementos does not get that treatment. It's barely even a side mystery because no effort is spent on even trying to understand what mementos is until the very end of the game. It's a difference in story focus and story telling as well as in reload better and more interesting mechanics that make tartarus a much more engaging experience than mementos.
original is better by a mile, not just the tone but the writing is stronger too, where the new is CENSORED in localization (just look up how, its a lot) - tone is ruined by the sanitized visual look - voice acting weaker cause none came back except a few - casualization means the game design is weaker than before, not improved just coddled - censorship removing characters, beach "girl" for social agenda - lgbt pin in the intro of the game to pretend to be "progressive" just virtue signal injected where it doesn't belong - p5 coat of paint making it inconsistent - losing things in Tartarus, search function gone, stamina system - "player friendly" is just coddling design - dlc for content that should be there in the base (THE ANSWER) and music tracks "appeal to the broader community" means nothing of value just casualization, sanitization, censorship and coddled design that makes the game forgettable, always a warning sign to a series that says that
I need help! So a while ago I played SMT1/2, and recently I played Persona 5 and it impacted me emotionally. Due to this I went back and played persona 1 and 2 (loved them), and want to played 3. The problem is I no longer have a console, it I have a cheap laptop I can emulate FES on. Would playing FES be okay? Or should I wait till I can eventually play reload?
For the moments in the story, I love the games. BUTTTT, I kinda wish they used more scenes and their moments from the movies because the scenes that are good are VERY GOOOOD in making the story focused on the main characters. I don't want Persona 3 to become more cinematic and linear, but I think some of the story sections really should've shown the writers know how to make Persona 3 the most RAWWWW it can be emotionally and in moments. .....Hopefully the P3R re-release pulls an Akechi confidant and makes the story better in some sections lololol
I love Reload so much, but I really dislike most of the 2D cutscenes. Best way I can describe it is that it seems the animation studio didn’t communicate enough with the game staff as it feels like almost all of the cutscenes lack any direction to put it nicely.
I can't comment on the story as I've only played Reload, but gameplay changes made Reload much easier due to having access to much stronger skills and abilities, concentrate is stronger in Reload, Debilitate especially is very strong and it's not even in FES. I haven't even played FES but looking at the skills and abilities that were added with reload, it is no wonder the game is easier. I don't even need to mention theurgys.
I do think the "green filter" on the boss battles is intentional in some way, it's heavily speculated that P6's featured color will be green, the added shade of green might be an attempt to get people used to that color in a Persona game before actually implementing it into the next release since a transition from the cool stylistic red to a hue of green will be much harsher than the transition from blue to yellow to red with P3, 4 and 5, then again that's just the only reasoning I can come up with as to why they added a green filter over the boss fights, it is a weird artistic choice.
gotta ask tho, where did you find those evoker sounds? they sounded like they got recorded from a early 2010's phone microphone trough speakers for both examples wtf.
I loved reload and for the most part i think I'd put it as the best way for new people to enjoy p3. The little changes and shift of tones do make me hesitate on abandoning the original/fes because like you said, the rough edges are part of the charm. Like the art style feels better, but there's something in the og artstyle that makes me want it back lol Besides that, I really felt disheartened with the change they made in the scene once you come back from the final fight. The show don't tell from og gave it so much impact when i first saw it.
I cant really agree with the softening edges take for the awakening scene its legit done in 3D vs the originals 2D, the deformation of a model cant look as organic as a drawing. I dont think that equates too an intentional softening its just an unintended consequence of differing art direction.
I finally beat it 2 days ago and now I get to finally watch this video lmao. Pre ordered the game but work kept getting in the way so I was only able to play on my few days off
39:30 i feel the exact same way about akihiko breaking down after shinjis funeral at school. the fes version is probably my favorite scene in the entire series and the reload version felt just kinda off in parts
I seriously do not understand how you could think this ending is good. It simply is not, there is no fabricated storytelling plotline deus-ex machina garbage plotline that could find that ending even tolerable if you look at it in any logical way. It is BAD.
I'd say besides the weaker directed cutscenes, a few of the remixed tracks not hitting as hard, and the less visually interesting backgrounds during some of the full moon boss fights, three very legitimate and impactful criticisms, Persona 3 Reload is an objective replacement over the original for me, and this sentiment is only going to ring more true once The Answer drops later this year. Full voice acting for social links, beautiful character models, better combats, tons of quality of life improvements, higher quality visuals, stronger voice directions, link episodes, more social activities to do at night, etc. Like, what more does Atlus have to do for older hardcore fans to consider this a worthy replacement? I swear, you can make a game that's 95% amazing but as long as there is a minority of weirdos who are too emotionally attached with small trivial aspects of the original game that is largely inconsequential, the remake will always be considered less than what it actually is in their eyes. This unhealthy attachment to the past always resurfaces in online discourse every time an older game gets remade, and frankly, it's pathetic.
P3R just feels..... too clean. P3, P3F.P3P was THAT one game that if you did not know it and looked at it at a glance would make you feel like what you are watching is taboo... its like something out of those gore websites that makes you feel either sick or uneasy... that was the whole charm of P3... It made you feel like you are doing something taboo or something that you should not be doing.... which goes really well with the theme of death in the game since death in itself is taboo....
i love p3*, the reason for the asterisk is because despite loving p3 each run i did previously i'd run into issues late game before i could finish it, my fes run was erased when my power went out causing my ps3 to corrupt data and i was in the final month, i traded my vita to get the ps3 when my xbox 360 died so i lost my portable run but i wasnt quite as far, im taking my time with reload because even though P4 is my favourite for being my first, P3 is peak persona and i cant rush peak.
I do agree a lot with your intro, I felt disappointed with reload because I came out of P5R, P4G and their spin off. But judging by the context of p3 release date, p3r is a really good game and all the complaints I have with it (mainly really weird pacing at times) comes from the fact p3 is the first one to experiment with the "calendar formula" that was enhanced in p4 and then almost perfected in p5.
P3R did a lot of little things that I prefer over the original and a lot of little things that I miss from the original. However, not having Burn My Dread anywhere save the final battle and the tiniest, faintest snippets of that final battle remix in the intro cutscene is a sin, and it destroyed what I feel like made it work so incredibly well from every other version of P3. With Burn My Dread effectively gone from the experience, we are no longer taking the journey full circle. It was there with you every step of the way from the start even if it was hiding behind the FES or Portable openings, and then it hits that ultimate climax just as the game's arrived at its closing. It was a beautiful moment that made the musical/storytelling nerd in me fall for it in the first place. Now it's only there because it fit the scene so perfectly well that trying to do the same with Full Moon, Full Life just doesn't work.
Shuffle Time now works the same way as it does in Persona 4... that's why it's still called Shuffle Time. It makes sense because you can't choose what cards you roll. You just get to pick one of five instead of only getting one.
Tbh the status effect can be bypass with the mc by just taking a day to sleep due to the night activity being basically none. Then at the next night go the bathrooms and done, mc in excellent conditions that was my experience in portable
I disagree that being able to do Tartarus easily in one night is an upgrade to the game. I actually found a lot of enjoyment in the the fatigue mechanic the game introduced. I've always been annoyed by the fact that you can solo run through the dungeons/ Tartarus in Persona games so easily. The fatigue mechanic made you seriously reconsider doing those Large scale runs in one night . In fact, it basically made you waiting to do Tartarus until the end of the month very punishing. I liked that it made you really consider how to use your Time which was a major theme of Persona 3. When it came out.
I think he makes best point that nobody else acknowledges, I am a huge persona 3 fan and when I end up discussing it with people it’s always “persona 4/5 is better.” But the thing that makes persona 3 perfect in my opinion that Relaod loses in a few places it that it’s ment to be rough around the edges. A good 50% of the problems would be fixed if they just USED THE ORIGINAL/FES SCRIPT. I just hate to say this the way I’m gonna say it but it loses its edge and like he says it tries to be persona 5 and that’s just not persona 3.
no cuz the new evoker sound made me forget it's supposed to be shooting a bullet. it ties into the criticism of softening the more violent aspects of the original imo
Im doing last month and change of colors feels great. Still, I'm disappointed by the reduction in the number of disturbing moments. If they atleast before every full moon changed soundtrack for something what could adjust to the developing sadness among the people. Probably my biggest issue may be actually soundtrack, because IMO didn’t fit well I think about situations where something bad happened and Makoto wasn’t affect even a bit by that atleast it often looked like that. So there is another issue, Makoto have not any personality in the game. Problem was solved in movies, but still, Makoto deserves in the remake for that personality
I think tartarus is supposed to be a reference to the place where the steep hill was in the tale of Sisyphus, who cheated death by capturing Thanatos. Sisyphus was condemned to roll up a boulder for eternity up this hill, meaning that when he got close to the top, the boulder would end up rolling back down somehow. This would explain the monotony and long ascend of Tartarus in P3, which mirrors the message relayed in Sisyphus since it had to do with being punished for cheating death. Interestingly enough, philosophers have attempted to recreate meaning in the message of the tale, where one can imagine Sisyphus finding peace and fulfillment in this endeavor, even though he was condemned to a pointless taks for all of eternity.
Tartarus is the lowest layer of hades's realm (hell) in the greek myths. Altough thats were Sisyphus ended up, the place in the game is likely based in tartarus as a hole, not just the steep hill.
34:58 On the note of nitpicks with the evoker, I really miss how Makoto would spin his evoker when using his persona. I know that he spins it when you switch personas but it's not really the same. They could've even put the animation into the startup or something as your selecting which ability to use but he just puts it to his head normally. Regardless though I love reload and it's in my top 5 for sure
They removed the “Ninja’s are the coolest of the cool” line in reload and i still haven’t gotten over it.
Because ninja is not popular as early 2000
Autistic
@@doodoo7207I think he cleverly meant niggas as a joke lmfaoo
@doodoo7207 idk with which people you hangout with but every sane person should have ninjas=cool as an default and i will not elaborate on this god given fact
I will absolutely watch the entire video but did not expect this from someone who primarily uploads FPS content. Persona 3 is my #1 single-player game, life changing experience. A discussion I've had with a friend was Reload could've taken more chances to try new things but played it pretty safe. Some of the new music I'm not quite keen on as it felt some were changed for the sake of change while others felt completely refreshed and faithful. I agree with everyone that tone of the game feels less dark, especially outside of January. The new VA cast I think did a phenomenal job though and honestly see them as the new faces for the characters while still having attachment to the old cast. Overall I don't think Reload did anything wrong but had some presentation changes that weren't as thematic as they should've been and didn't try to take any risks whether it be through gameplay or presentation as well. The biggest blunder for me is the lack of developing The Answer and having the it be developed post launch and charged for extra. It's better than a new game entirely a year later for $70 but it's hard not to just modify FES with the party control mod and play the game for free, or just buy an original copy for less. EDIT: Since we all have nitpicks my personal one is the lack of portrayal of the use of the evoker by having it pulled out during the skill selection rather than after using the skill. I miss Makoto and Mitsuru spinning it into place it was always satisfying even if over the top.
can we both agree that deep breath deep breath -reload- is better then og
I love and agree with this comment
"The new VA cast I think did a phenomenal job"
Disagree. With the exception of Zeno, none of the new actors are good.
Fuuka sounds like she is out of breath and will faint out anytime soon.
Mitsuru's sound doesn't have commanding tone the way original VA had.
Dont get me started on Akihiko and Ken.
It seems like very less time went towards voice direction and more towards marketing and we got mediocre voice performance in the end.
@saadmirza4221 Totally fine to disagree. I can't see what you mean personally, but I do think Shinjiro could've sounded more gruff and Fuuka less like Haru. I also don't get your point on how voice acting has anything to do with marketing. I don't think anyone bought reload based on VA's. If anything, people held concerns until launch if they would do a good job in their opinion. I knew none of them besides Allegra Clark and Aleks Le and I didn't feel more inclined to buy it due to that at all. If you've read that people did then I think that's a bit odd.
Didnt know chopper played persona wtf
😅 either did I. Surprised to see him but glad he’s covering more games
I figured as much since in damn near every video I've seen of his he uses persona music haha
He actually cosplayed joker loll!!
Real ones know. Never really mentioned on YT but Chopper had a P5 starting soon screen on twitch
He uses Persona music all the time if I recall correctly. Between him and JrRizzo, there's a weird crossover between CoD fans and Persona fans. I never expected there to be an overlap
The changes were definitely catered to newer players only getting introduced to P3. I really enjoyed the social link reversals from the original, as well as the random skill inheritance in the original, but I'm sure players now would not take too kindly to that. I dunno, I just think the restrictions from the original is what made the replayability a lot higher. Now you can go willy nilly through the whole game in maybe 1 or 2 playthroughs.
That being said, reload still added many good things to the game, but beyond anything, it reintroduced this masterpiece to more people.
One of the good things is how Tartarus changes it's shape depending on the block you are in
You enjoyed having to go in and out of a persona fusion to get the set of skills you actually wanted?
@@HydratedChampion Yes. Personal preference, I liked not getting everything in one go.
@@keimata905 Fair enough
I haven't played Persona 3.
I have the PS2 Persona 3 FES.
Should i play FES or get Reloaded.
Asking because I'm choosing which game to buy.
Persona 3 Reloaded
Or
Yakuza Infinite Wealth.
it made me so happy when you mentioned the original quote from aigis that they took out at the end of reload. it’s one of my favorite quotes from any media, it just means so much to me. I was really sad when I got to the final scene of reload and she didn’t say it, but I think the message is still the same. I haven’t really heard anyone talking about it, so it made me glad to hear someone else say that they should have left the quote in the final scene :)
AMAZING timing on this video! I just finished P3R at 4am today with 130hrs clocked
I finished today, what a game...
@@riaz8783 Seriously though, Persona 4 is still my favorite but no other game period has resonated emotionally on the level that Persona 3 did.
I finished 5 days ago and I'm still deptessed over that ending
I finished with 70 hours. Wtf did you do for 130💀
@@lilsasukevert3102 lmaooo I was going for 100% completion first playthrough (ended up only missing all social links being maxed) and grinded quite a bit in tartarsauce
My take on the Nyx Arena in Reload is that in the original it kinda looks like they forgot the dark hour's moon is not white, so it looks like the fight doesn't happen during the Dark Hour, while in the remake they kept the colors of the Dark Hour for the final battle.
To be fair, once nyx descends to earth, the dark hour ends and the fall begins. Everyone is conscious during the nyx battle which is why we get to hear the social links in mc’s duel with nyx.
@@alexanderluna4598Nope, what happens is that everyone enters the dark hour when the fall happens
@@maquinlol9673 oh wait yeah you may be right
@@alexanderluna4598 People becomes contious after the battle against Nyx Avatar, after you defeat all 13 arcana phases. So during the battle it's still the Dark Hour there.
It's just an artistic choice that made for MUCH better art direction, and as with a bunch of things it Reload it was watered down and completely lost in translation.
The focus in the battle is obviously the oppressive feeling of the moon, Nyx, crushing down on the arena and the world at large and the arena reflects that idea. It's just like how all of the boss arenas for the 12 shadows distorted the area around them, it makes for a dynamic scene instead of just standing somewhere. Not to mention Nyx avatar looks WAY better without the piss green lighting...
Also it's not unlike how all of the Tartarus blocks themselves are completely unique and don't look much like the dark hour looks in the city.
Persona content from Ch0p? Yessir
I miss the dark atmosphere. It feels so much more upbeat in Reload, less bleak. Maybe it's just that I'm older now, but the suicide-like aspects were so captivating to me in the original. The anxiety and tension are just lost in a lot of scenes. Other than that, I LOVE reload so much! The quality of life features are fantastic and it's beautiful.
I think SEES were meant to be people who were disconnected to each other at first, but learned to bond extraordinarily through their hardships and struggles. The main character being the glue of the group since he's already come to terms with his major loss in life, he's able to teach them all something important about life. I think reload does a way better job at this. that was one of the worst aspects of the original, the ending scene doesn't hit as hard when you don't get the feeling they were actually becoming close to each other.
38:54 I think that Junpei also really leans into that. He explicitly says that, before meeting Chidori, he really had no good reason to live. Hell, he didn't even know what he was fighting for, despite that being the one thing he was really good at. It's not until Chidori sacrifices her own life to save his that he finally gets the will to not just persist, but strive for more. To a lesser extent, you could even argue that Ken leans into this too. His life was consumed by a quest for revenge, driven by the man who took his mother from him two years ago. To finally come face to face with that man and then have that opportunity taken away from him, and not even in middle school, is a hard thing, but he eventually grows past it, finding a new reason for living.
35:37 I understand. When you play something for so long, what others would consider a nit-pick could be a make or break experience. Or it could be the thing that makes you want to play something else that night. Akin to the Death by a Thousand Paper Cuts
The tone changes really suck, because if they didn’t change the tone this would’ve replaced the original for me because the difficulty can be reintroduced with mods, but the new tone really puts me off.
True, the jealousy of Junpei from the MC was gone, and Yukari is not bitchy anymore
P3R is like getting an expensive headphone then hearing new instruments from a song that you been listening to for years
But then every now and then you get a weird crackling sound. It also ups the bass WAY too much, and it ends up overpowering the other instruments. So the music just doesn't sound like it actually should.
@@BigFry9591i prefer reload’s ost tbh
YOOO FINALLY CHOPPER FINALLY, AS AKIHIKO SAID "IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!" I remember seeing your joker cosplay, and when you used to make the cold war top 10 I remember hearing persona music in the background! NICEEE!! I know a persona fan when i see one
Thanks for this honest and sincere review. I have a deep relationship with this game as it was there with me during the latter half of the worst years of my life when a large part of my family died. Your video gave me a few more reasons to keep going with it. I quit after the awakening scene and watched some of the rest. My greatest problem is the presentation; a combination of sound, voice acting, and scene direction with a heavy change in tone. All things that really hurt the feel of the game for me. That horrific, dark and sad atmosphere has been dulled and I can really tell the difference. It was painful to see, so I quit.
But after all these reviews I didn't know that they added in more time with the guys and the SLs are voice acted now, I do want to see that. And experience a less tedious Tartarus.
For me personally I 100% noticed and at times was bothered by the sudden tone shifts, however when it came to any of the serious or emotional story beats they all still landed extremely hard for me. Largely due to the new and imo AMAZING voice acting and the additional events with your male party members by the end of it I cried more then any other media has made me period
I personally did not like the English voice actors, but the Japanese did sound good. I'm very glad for the additions I didn't hear about like the events.@@WickedKillaYT
I openly laughed when Thanatos burst out, cutscenes direction is lacking but as others say where the emotional moments really matter they hit it out of the park. I miss the old VA but overall they grow on you and as a Fes snob I actually prefer the new voices
@@mrthebunnyhuntrit’s more to the 3d cutscenes, the 2d cutscenes are fine
@@mrthebunnyhuntr As soon as The awakening was about to happen I Said I swear if they do this shit dirty im dropping it and Boom 3D, no blood, wrong color on the I and thanatos looked silly and less scary
39:52 I wouldn't mind watching that 18 hour Persona 3 video 😅
There's already a 10 hour Persona 4 analysis video out there, so why not?
I really don’t understand how people can compare Tartarus to the hand-crafted palaces in P5/P5R. If anything it’s more akin to Mementos and the TV world due to their procedurally generated nature, and I gotta say, Tartarus in Reload is my favorite implementation among the three. I only really got fatigued at the very end of the game when I was grinding for certain weapon fusion ingredients, but for Mementos that happened at about the 2/3 point of the game, and the TV world bored me out if I ever set foot in the same world for a second time. Also in Reload you don’t need to revisit old floors that much to grind EXP or complete requests/rescue missions. I did all the requests and rescues, and I’d say on average I visited each floor about 1.5 times, whereas in P4G I had to visit each floor at least twice (bar the new dungeon added in Golden) to complete all the requests and secret bosses.
Great video as someone who has only played reload and absolutely adore it it's great seeing the perspective from a veteran p3 player
10:21 absolutely agree on the intro not setting the tone right. i was like… even if they’re trying to shock the viewer who might not know about the evokers, who self-narrates that sort of thing 😂
Make more Persona videos, dude! Love this!
Comparing Tartarus to Palaces is just wrong. Weren't you supposed to compare it to Mementos?
But mementos isn't where the main gameplay loop lies the palaces are
@@RobClober But Tartarus PLAYS like Mementos not like the palaces
@@RobClober not the point
I had no idea Persona 3 is also one of your favourite
Ya I mostly agree. Og p3 had this Ethereal, early 2000s edge and creepy haunted CRT vibes that have been slowly widdled away adaptation after adaptation in order for it to fit in with the modern design theory.
My biggest example is how the color scheme of Tartarus feels like it was taken from the OVA series, cause they look is nearly 1 to 1
Or how most of the script in P3R is based on the portable script, and thusly has characters pantomime the scene more instead of letting the visuals tell more of the story
They want p3 to be like p4 and 5 and its just not that. Its dark its mature and scary. You cant give it the vibe of a shonen anime.
The original gives old anime Neon Genesis Evangelion vibes. While reload makes it more lighthearted like modern anime while still maintaining seriousness to it. I understand why people would prefer the original cutscenes and story, but I also think the new depiction isn’t bad.
This is my first time ever hearing from persona but since it was in the game pass I tried it out and it was really addicting and I really enjoy from a brand new player I find the bond of the characters really interesting as well as the story only complaint is that some cutscenes were animated while there were other moments that I think would for to be animated but wasn’t. Overall it is an amazing game and glad to join into the persona lore
After all this time hearing Persona music in the vids, it's finally time
I finished the game a few days ago, and what a game. I really enjoyed my time with it. I think the social link episodes with shinjiro were excellent, it made me like his character even more
33:40 I personally think the new Yellow tint of the dark hour fits the aesthetic theming of the larger modern Persona lore/world implications more. Especially since the color yellow tends to correlate with shadow-like worlds and the yellow eyes of shadow versions of characters. When you think about it the moon/Nyx being Yellow during the dark hour has been a thing for a hot minute and I've started noticing it during the final shots of P3D's OP. That said I do somewhat agree with the lime-green tint of the Dark Hour feeling off, and only because if it was a more Yellow hue the entire screen would look blinding.
Honestly, I never noticed the colour thing until you mentioned it. I knew P4 and 5 had a similar approach to how they treated shadows, both in terms of design and intent, but I forgot that 4's use of yellow as a means of discomfort extended to the environment.
I will say one possibly unindented effect of removing the reversal mechanism (as someone who started with p5 and has been going backwards to flesh out my understanding of how we got to where we are) is when moons auto reverses I damn near had a heart attack ! it had me questioning for a minute if it was in the game and I got lucky or not and with it coming that late in the link I thought for sure I had just blown a lot of time put into the character (as I was aware of the reversible links but never got around to playing og p3) and had me questioning what on earth I was supposed to say so that fake out really worked on me 😅
My least favorite cutscene moment in Reload is the Magician bitch slapping Yukari and the following slowmo shot. The original is not only more abstract and sharply edited, but it never shows the shadow attacking Yukari. It only shows her putting the Evoker to her head, then a second later falling to the ground, the Evoker landing in a mysterious puddle of blood.
(It also doesn’t show the shadow standing still over her body for what feels like 15 seconds)
A first time player won’t know if she’s even alive until AFTER Makoto has already picked up that same Evoker and summoned Orpheus. The tension of not knowing Yukari’s fate, and whether or not Makoto will share it, is the most tragic loss of Reload (alongside whatever happened to Thanatos).
Hard agree , it was off putting
i personally think it’s fine
CHOPPER PLAYED PERSONA??? FAVORITE UA-camR
What a great video, so glad to see another up and coming Persona creator in the space!!
but fr tho even if I missed the persona stream, I'm glad this is up now.
I HATE how many days you cant actually do anything in persona 3. This made it even more stressful for doing the sls, and ESPECIALLY in reload, since there are more social links, like wtf 💀. A prime example is the summer sports week were you cant do anything in the day during that section
I am super interested to see what they do with The Answer later this year. I played FES emulated on my PC a few years back, and I just couldn't get through The Answer. Forcing the game to be on Hard was one thing, but taking away the Persona compendium really killed it for me. I ended up giving up partway through and just watched the cutscenes online. Hopefully, the at minimum the QoL improvements in Reload at least are enough.
Great video bro!
I appreciate your take. The original Persona 3 was my least favorite of the Persona series, but I still loved it, but because it was so depressing, I wasn’t into it as much. I loved everything about Persona 3 OG. But I loved Reloads take on it all as well.
I very much agree with a lot of your points and i must say this video is much mire respectable than other opinions of reload because instead of just shittying on the game for smoothing out the edges you give credit where credit is do and even point out things devs have said, especially in an age where everyone wants to claim developers want to scam the consumer and dont care about the game experience. One of my biggest opinions of persona 3 reload that i will always hold dear is that it's a response to a call. Yes, i love everything about burn my dread, its message, the symbolism, and yes, even that edge factor you mentiomed of "i shouldn't be playing this" all of that is true and ut us Goated, i also agree that full moon full life does shave the edges down to a dull point. But i think its important to understand and i think you do because how you conduct yourself, the original is still there, anyone can go play the original experience, those that want Ai party mrmbers (even though theres an option) those that want femc. Reload is a mature answer to an Edgy game that many many played as a kid or teenager. It was something that presented this despair and feeling in life that hurt to exist. traumas, pain, etc. Persona three has many messages about how life is short and to treasure each day, but in that same semse, i think a lot of people miss the message reload is portraying, and that's hopefulness in the face of despair more so than the original game, the characters, more fleshed out, the story. Structured a little better, the cast also becomimg closer. None of this is reflected more than in the op movie if Reload where you get all these DARK HINTS AT Things, Yukari's sad reflection in the water vs her smile in the mirror, junpei's happy go lucky demeanor vs the gunshots and blood of the dark horror (and probably chidori) the shinji, ken, and akihiko scene reflecting that whole situation, to mitsuru seemingly running from her problems. This opening, while yes, has a lot of just open stylish sequences made for someone who experienced the original or upon viewing after finishing you notice the details, and i dont think that elevates one over the other, the both have a reason to exist and are both very good. Equal, in my opinion. Then, the lighter aspects of the game, like the opening cinematic, I'll be blunt. I dont think it's that bad. While yes, i agree that the original was made as good as it was due to probably working around limitations, and it made you feel anxious and nervous. The edge wouldnt hit the same. And if anything with the modern day would probably have gotten bad media swarming it just for the edginess and is that a problem with society? Yes. But i also just think its an easy way to introduce fans who are newer without stabbing them, the p4 and p5 fans, and even the first p3 fans, we now have an easier entry into p3 that is mostly the original game, but just like with any game. If people want to play the classic, they have that opinion. It doesn't take the quality of reload down any for me. Personally petsona 3 fes and persona 3 reload both hit me in some of the worst times of my life and this time around i dont feel i need to fall into feeling that edge of the OG, i know the message and im seeing my cast of friends together again made with love and life in a new light, think reload respects your time as a fan and newbie alike and it for me is game of the decade, just like persona 3 was way back when. It got me through the hard times then. it's getting me through the hard times now. Im more mature, and i have my own philosophical beliefs. I personally think its time to release makoto from being the seal and eotber someone else (liz) take his place or wr admit that when people heal trauma, accept the truth, and rebel from control. We dont strive for death like suggested by nyx, we need a true philosophical challenge to nyx's answer to be able to justify makoto's life being free. But i think it's childish to believe that someone should suffer for all eternity and the weight of humanity because we can't move on
You just read my entire mind, that I want to say it...I'm delighted you respect both old and new...
Nah as right as your are reloads was still wild first seeing it
Persona 3 is a game that impacted my life greatly. I remember Persona 4 being my first Persona game and an amazing expirience as well back in 2012 but Persona 3 was at a different level for me in winter of that very same year. That game is one of those things that made me the person who I am today. This game made me have the taste in music I have today which is pretty much listening to everything but especially sample based surreal music like stuff from DJ Shadow and The Avalanches.
20:40 in persona 4 certain social links could still be reversed.
36:00 it was only in p3 fes that u can wield any type of weapon in the original p3 it was only sword
40:30 episode aigis (the answer) is technically not part of the original p3 experience either but i get your point
That 2nd one is wrong, you can use multiple weapons in vanilla p3 ss well
I think the beginning scene with yukari in reload wants to convey something different then in the OG
in OG basically no one knew what the gun was actually for so just seeing it makes you think she wants to end herself so they uped the tension to make you feel really uneasy
in reload though there is a chance that the person playing has consumed or seen P3 media already and could know what evokers are for therefor it would feel a little weird to try and convince those people that she wants to end herself
by talking to herself yukari want to encourage herself to finally do it
new players would think she is gathering the courage to end herself while the people that know understand that she is seamingly scared to call upon her persona so the peptalk she gives herself makes more sense
Yeah but a story should be told through the context of not knowing anything about it, not through commercials or hearsay. It also makes the awakening scene way weaker because in the og the fact that the gun evokes a persona is almost a plot twist for the first hour of the game (despite seeing it in the opening sequence)
You can avoid the girls on the school trip in November. You just gotta pick the right choices lol
8:15 interestingly the reload version takes more aspects from p3p. Yukari talks in that version too which kinda ruins the mood. To me FES has one of the best intros to any game ever exactly because of that opening scene. The initial thought is obviously that Yukari is suicidal and her immense anxiety and silence makes the scenario feel so tense and almost painful to watch. It also keeps on building tension the first time you meet her and she goes for her gun, still very anxious. Then when the reveal happens and you unlock Orpheus that catharsis of realizing where all the tension was building is so cool and satisfying. Yukari almost feels a bit goofy in reload by comparison. Yukari's entire personality feels a bit awkward and stiff in FES when you meet her but in Reload she feels like a bit of a clutz. It's not a huge change but to me it's things like that that make FES' story feel better than Reload's.
a bit out of topic, but the 1st p3 movie is a great example of making an iconic scene even better
can’t wait to come back to this video when i beat the game
I see chopper is a man of culture running that yukari skin
They removed the edge of P3 with Reload and the tone was really screwed with.
I think for theurgy nerfing, DO NOT drain ALL the gauge for each battle done because that sounds so irritating and not every battle would necessarily grant access to the theurgy gauge. I think 50% reduction when theurgy is full but not used after each battle is alright with me. Saving limit break like abilities is part of the fun of an RPG.
If you think of original P3 and P3R in the same context with Eva and the Rebuild movies, then it kinda makes more sense in my head, especially with the lackluster sections of the emotional impact of the latter. Will Atlus go that route? Hard to tell, hopefully we don't need to wait 9 years for that. All I can say is, in this headcanon, Liz sure did quite a bit to temper the severity of this worldline. Is it enough to loosen the shackles of Door Jesus? Again, hard to say. And watching your video till the end strengthens the likelihood of that headcanon to be true.
Palaces in P5 are great, but they’re different from the challenge Tartarus brings imo. Palaces do 55% exploration and 45% battles. Tartarus in Reload is just very addicting to me, as someone who really just likes the pure gameplay.
Yeah I like the story of dungeons and palaces in persona. But Tartarus is a good trip in of itself.
If blinded by nostalgia was a video
I get where you are coming from and it is a very valid point of view. Like you, I played FES (including “*gasp* the enemy - the answer) and P3P (although Kotone only in this one; it feels very persona 4ish). With that said, I love Reload so much it is in par with P5R being still very faifhful to the original, with like Stupei Ace Defective and some other scenes that are 1:1. If you stop to think about it, Hashino is a mad lad for not using the Press-turn system in Persona, although the game was running in the Nocturne/DDS engine and most demons were originally from those games.
And speaking of Monad doors, I always put on my PT attire and turned on Rivers in the Desert.
people saying Tartarus is boring?
At least each maps in Tartarus change visually unlike Mementos lmfao I sleep
No one is saying mementos is great. But its much better because its shorter
No one likes mementos
@@patricklodge1576 Not really, you still have a craptons of floors there as well. Again, it's a weak argumentation.
@@raidomegnuo2868Yeah but they are basically optional for most of the game + the main places to go are the palaces
Thanks for detailing some of the most significant changes. It's unfortunate that Reload tries hard to be a softer game. There's another scene that was changed, Man With Headphones, which was this chilling animated scene originally and became a very meh 3d slideshow. Reload is still incredible but I hate that it rejects the roughness of the original. You can hear it in the music too - almost every battle track is less crunchy in the remake, less percussion. Vocals are better in the majority of the songs but they lose all their power.
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Id like to clarify that you can avoid the girls in the hotsprings by picking the right options hide in steam throw duck then make a run for it iirc the game just doesn't make it very clear.
Good one Ch0p
The soundtrack from both have an entirely different mood. Meanwhile P3P's female route is booping.
39:20 YES! That was the biggest nit pick I've had with the whole deal.
They def butchered some of the cutscenes but the ending was done way better in my opinion. I was disappointed by the opening cutscene but the intro movie is my favorite
Also im genuinely shocked a cod UA-camr likes persona
Of course comparing tartarus to the palaces is gonna be an unfair comparison, I think comparing it to mementos is a more apt comparison though. Mementos was super boring for most of persona 5 I found, because I just wanted to go to the palaces, but I had either finished the palace or needed to grind in mementos (to beat okumura) Mementos was just a side thing that only became interesting at the very very end of the game, whereas tartarus imo is much better at introducing new elements that make the floors at least a little more interesting to progress through. Tartarus also made me feel like I was progressing towards something, it was clear there was a top floor from the very beginning, it's teased from the very beginning and throughout the game that reaching the top of tartarus will be important, but mementos does not get that treatment. It's barely even a side mystery because no effort is spent on even trying to understand what mementos is until the very end of the game. It's a difference in story focus and story telling as well as in reload better and more interesting mechanics that make tartarus a much more engaging experience than mementos.
never knew you liked persona
original is better by a mile, not just the tone but the writing is stronger too, where the new is CENSORED in localization (just look up how, its a lot)
- tone is ruined by the sanitized visual look
- voice acting weaker cause none came back except a few
- casualization means the game design is weaker than before, not improved just coddled
- censorship removing characters, beach "girl" for social agenda
- lgbt pin in the intro of the game to pretend to be "progressive" just virtue signal injected where it doesn't belong
- p5 coat of paint making it inconsistent
- losing things in Tartarus, search function gone, stamina system - "player friendly" is just coddling design
- dlc for content that should be there in the base (THE ANSWER) and music tracks
"appeal to the broader community" means nothing of value just casualization, sanitization, censorship and coddled design that makes the game forgettable, always a warning sign to a series that says that
I need help! So a while ago I played SMT1/2, and recently I played Persona 5 and it impacted me emotionally. Due to this I went back and played persona 1 and 2 (loved them), and want to played 3. The problem is I no longer have a console, it I have a cheap laptop I can emulate FES on. Would playing FES be okay? Or should I wait till I can eventually play reload?
For the moments in the story, I love the games. BUTTTT, I kinda wish they used more scenes and their moments from the movies because the scenes that are good are VERY GOOOOD in making the story focused on the main characters. I don't want Persona 3 to become more cinematic and linear, but I think some of the story sections really should've shown the writers know how to make Persona 3 the most RAWWWW it can be emotionally and in moments.
.....Hopefully the P3R re-release pulls an Akechi confidant and makes the story better in some sections lololol
I know this is not a "review", but it's the best I've seen of P3R (as a massive fan of the original versions).
5:37 nah changing your videogame in english and japanese because of western audiences is disgusting.
I love Reload so much, but I really dislike most of the 2D cutscenes.
Best way I can describe it is that it seems the animation studio didn’t communicate enough with the game staff as it feels like almost all of the cutscenes lack any direction to put it nicely.
I can't comment on the story as I've only played Reload, but gameplay changes made Reload much easier due to having access to much stronger skills and abilities, concentrate is stronger in Reload, Debilitate especially is very strong and it's not even in FES. I haven't even played FES but looking at the skills and abilities that were added with reload, it is no wonder the game is easier. I don't even need to mention theurgys.
I do think the "green filter" on the boss battles is intentional in some way, it's heavily speculated that P6's featured color will be green, the added shade of green might be an attempt to get people used to that color in a Persona game before actually implementing it into the next release since a transition from the cool stylistic red to a hue of green will be much harsher than the transition from blue to yellow to red with P3, 4 and 5, then again that's just the only reasoning I can come up with as to why they added a green filter over the boss fights, it is a weird artistic choice.
gotta ask tho, where did you find those evoker sounds? they sounded like they got recorded from a early 2010's phone microphone trough speakers for both examples wtf.
Yeah, that's Portable's PC port for you. Sounds are compressed to shit
I loved reload and for the most part i think I'd put it as the best way for new people to enjoy p3. The little changes and shift of tones do make me hesitate on abandoning the original/fes because like you said, the rough edges are part of the charm. Like the art style feels better, but there's something in the og artstyle that makes me want it back lol
Besides that, I really felt disheartened with the change they made in the scene once you come back from the final fight. The show don't tell from og gave it so much impact when i first saw it.
What’s happening at 24:01? I never got this scene with Aigis.
I cant really agree with the softening edges take for the awakening scene its legit done in 3D vs the originals 2D, the deformation of a model cant look as organic as a drawing. I dont think that equates too an intentional softening its just an unintended consequence of differing art direction.
I finally beat it 2 days ago and now I get to finally watch this video lmao. Pre ordered the game but work kept getting in the way so I was only able to play on my few days off
39:30 i feel the exact same way about akihiko breaking down after shinjis funeral at school. the fes version is probably my favorite scene in the entire series and the reload version felt just kinda off in parts
Yep, im just another lost zombies player, also going through P3R.
I haven't played the old P3 games, so it's a great experience.
I seriously do not understand how you could think this ending is good. It simply is not, there is no fabricated storytelling plotline deus-ex machina garbage plotline that could find that ending even tolerable if you look at it in any logical way. It is BAD.
I'd say besides the weaker directed cutscenes, a few of the remixed tracks not hitting as hard, and the less visually interesting backgrounds during some of the full moon boss fights, three very legitimate and impactful criticisms, Persona 3 Reload is an objective replacement over the original for me, and this sentiment is only going to ring more true once The Answer drops later this year. Full voice acting for social links, beautiful character models, better combats, tons of quality of life improvements, higher quality visuals, stronger voice directions, link episodes, more social activities to do at night, etc. Like, what more does Atlus have to do for older hardcore fans to consider this a worthy replacement? I swear, you can make a game that's 95% amazing but as long as there is a minority of weirdos who are too emotionally attached with small trivial aspects of the original game that is largely inconsequential, the remake will always be considered less than what it actually is in their eyes. This unhealthy attachment to the past always resurfaces in online discourse every time an older game gets remade, and frankly, it's pathetic.
idk man ,i played it last christmas and i cant say id recommend reload over fes. its not nostalgia its literally just a more grounded game
@@falconlover5322Nah, it’s nostalgia.
i agree
P3R just feels..... too clean.
P3, P3F.P3P was THAT one game that if you did not know it and looked at it at a glance would make you feel like what you are watching is taboo... its like something out of those gore websites that makes you feel either sick or uneasy... that was the whole charm of P3... It made you feel like you are doing something taboo or something that you should not be doing.... which goes really well with the theme of death in the game since death in itself is taboo....
Love how you say P3R is too clean yet messed up stuff still happens in it. The intro literally shows a girl jumping off of a building lol.
i love p3*, the reason for the asterisk is because despite loving p3 each run i did previously i'd run into issues late game before i could finish it, my fes run was erased when my power went out causing my ps3 to corrupt data and i was in the final month, i traded my vita to get the ps3 when my xbox 360 died so i lost my portable run but i wasnt quite as far, im taking my time with reload because even though P4 is my favourite for being my first, P3 is peak persona and i cant rush peak.
I do agree a lot with your intro, I felt disappointed with reload because I came out of P5R, P4G and their spin off. But judging by the context of p3 release date, p3r is a really good game and all the complaints I have with it (mainly really weird pacing at times) comes from the fact p3 is the first one to experiment with the "calendar formula" that was enhanced in p4 and then almost perfected in p5.
Where did you find that HD version of the original games intro
I think the gate guard floor should be handcrafted, to make it a bit more interesting but overall, it fine.
P3R did a lot of little things that I prefer over the original and a lot of little things that I miss from the original. However, not having Burn My Dread anywhere save the final battle and the tiniest, faintest snippets of that final battle remix in the intro cutscene is a sin, and it destroyed what I feel like made it work so incredibly well from every other version of P3. With Burn My Dread effectively gone from the experience, we are no longer taking the journey full circle. It was there with you every step of the way from the start even if it was hiding behind the FES or Portable openings, and then it hits that ultimate climax just as the game's arrived at its closing. It was a beautiful moment that made the musical/storytelling nerd in me fall for it in the first place.
Now it's only there because it fit the scene so perfectly well that trying to do the same with Full Moon, Full Life just doesn't work.
would love to hear your top games, hearing that persona 3 is up there
Shuffle Time now works the same way as it does in Persona 4... that's why it's still called Shuffle Time. It makes sense because you can't choose what cards you roll. You just get to pick one of five instead of only getting one.
As a helldivers 2 player. Gun sounds make a big difference 👍🏻
Tbh the status effect can be bypass with the mc by just taking a day to sleep due to the night activity being basically none. Then at the next night go the bathrooms and done, mc in excellent conditions that was my experience in portable
FES got me into megaten, I was reluctant to look into reload due to the change inn "vibes"...This vid vocalizes a lot of what I felt
I disagree that being able to do Tartarus easily in one night is an upgrade to the game. I actually found a lot of enjoyment in the the fatigue mechanic the game introduced. I've always been annoyed by the fact that you can solo run through the dungeons/ Tartarus in Persona games so easily. The fatigue mechanic made you seriously reconsider doing those Large scale runs in one night . In fact, it basically made you waiting to do Tartarus until the end of the month very punishing. I liked that it made you really consider how to use your Time which was a major theme of Persona 3. When it came out.
one of my nitpicks also was they removed the split screen all out attack
I think he makes best point that nobody else acknowledges, I am a huge persona 3 fan and when I end up discussing it with people it’s always “persona 4/5 is better.” But the thing that makes persona 3 perfect in my opinion that Relaod loses in a few places it that it’s ment to be rough around the edges. A good 50% of the problems would be fixed if they just USED THE ORIGINAL/FES SCRIPT. I just hate to say this the way I’m gonna say it but it loses its edge and like he says it tries to be persona 5 and that’s just not persona 3.
no cuz the new evoker sound made me forget it's supposed to be shooting a bullet. it ties into the criticism of softening the more violent aspects of the original imo
Im doing last month and change of colors feels great. Still, I'm disappointed by the reduction in the number of disturbing moments. If they atleast before every full moon changed soundtrack for something what could adjust to the developing sadness among the people. Probably my biggest issue may be actually soundtrack, because IMO didn’t fit well I think about situations where something bad happened and Makoto wasn’t affect even a bit by that atleast it often looked like that. So there is another issue, Makoto have not any personality in the game. Problem was solved in movies, but still, Makoto deserves in the remake for that personality
i mean it’s a self insert protag, so don’t expect them to have a very well developed personality
@@Hymn_ I mean it would work if dialogue options would make sense
For that intro scene with makoto walking and yukari pointing the evoker at her head, they mightve changed it because of censorship laws
Sure lol
Hello. In the beginning of the vieo you mentione that P3 may be in your top five games. What would you say your top five games actually are?
Its almost like the new version is for teens when persona is for adults