wow! now we can order custom metal parts we design from our CAD just like PCBs. buying those SLMs wont really justify the cost/benefit for my hobby, aside from the mere fact that I would not be able to afford those machines in my lifetime. kudos to JLC for making the technology reachable to us.
I've been in sooo many labs with expensive lab/workshop chairs and stools that were uncomfortable as hell. Countless times I've been soldering for hours and wishing for a normal chair that looks like those wooden ones. The real problem in the video is when they have to lower those steel plates onto the floor and those low rollers- seems like a nightmare for your back! I'm sure they'll iron that out eventually though
Сначало возмутило то, что такая толстая и тяжеленная плита, на которой производится печать, но потом стало понятно, что после каждой печати её нужно шлифовать) Ну, а так-то хорошо подходит для печати драконов, по очень высокой цене.
@@О.Ш-ь1щ там без инерционный молоток он резиновый. да и что с это плитой случится если её реально после каждого раза шлифуют.... плюс вся печать в отрыве от самой плиты и даже если она будет чуток кривой не так критично - порошок скомпенсирует
На таких принтерах выгодно делать протезы из титана. Не только зубные, но и для конечности. Правда инвалидам сво власти не дадут денег для приличных протезов - лучше купить лишний дворец для себя
nice video. some of these working steps look hilarious compared to the high tech printing process. getting a ladder to fill the printer at the top with a funnel while nearly spilling some powder into the machine. hammering the printing plate on the ground after printing. transporting the final printing plate with a career where you always have to lift the heavy plate to and from the ground instead of having it on a similar level like the printer window.
Interesting that they used a wire EDM process to cut the finished parts from the platten. The first commercially developed EDM machine was produced in the Soviet Union in 1967!
I can’t figure why these prints have supports? This is basically SLS with metal and SLS prints don’t need supports as the material surrounding the part at every layer is the support.
Hi, these prints need supports to prevent layer warping, because every layer resides heat and cooling stresses. So heat needs to be transfered to platform. Secondly, metal particles are much heavier than plastic ones Sorry for my language 😅
@@alexpavlov7962 so the need for supports and heavy post processing on parts to obtain finish is a game breaker. Especially for parts that need incredibly tight tolerances. Both the time to post process by hand and inaccuracy of manual support removal along with the possibility of damaging the work piece in the process makes this a very niche and unreliable method for metal parts compared to a quality 5 axis CNC.
@@rjakiel73While yes, you're not typically going to have perfect tolerances right out the gate, this process paired with machining does things that just straight milling cannot. It also reduces to costs when it comes to prototyping be removing the need for mold making and things of that nature.
Супер технологично из тазика в воронку засыпать рабочее тело.😂 Я думал, что будет если мимо высыпет, весь аппарат придётся выкидывать или только часть?
супер удобная загрузка из тазика со стремянки под потолком. чисто не глядя куда сыпешь. еще прикололо, как детали отваливаются, попутно ударяясь друг о друга и детали станка
Коллеги, если кому интересно, могу проконсультировать по всему циклу изготовления мет.деталей с помощью slm технологии, в данном технологическом процессе не используется станция подачи порошка, скорее всего, в целях экономии.
Yeah.. this is why I don't do this in my shop. I wouldn't have a shop, I'd have a building for metal printing. This video demonstrates why it's worth it to hire JLPCB.
I was trying to understand why it took 2 people to place the metal bar, and then 1 was enough to remove it and with the extra weight of the print, but then I noticed that the preparation bar had nothing to do with the final work, because one has 6 fixing screws and the other only 4. After all, he wasn't the superman there.
В вакууме так же можно целые механизмы печатать, был бы порошок нужного состава. Еще и автоматически отсасывать излишки. Правда не знаю как рекристаллизацию производить.
Seems weird that they're printing onto a metal slab then EDM cutting the parts off. I thought one of the big advantages of SLS printing is that you can print free floating parts.
Процесс еще очень сырой, много дополнительной обработки, он для штучных изделий, либо нестандартных изделий которых требуется не много и не выгодно строить линию для их производства. Технология имеет право на жизнь но как дополнение к уже имеющимся. У нее своя ниша. И неизвестно что с прочностью. из каких металлов можно это печатать. Возможна ли термическая обработка.
@@Bugnarok Thank you for your reply. I imagine that the machine uses a fiber laser of at least 200W. I have a 50W fiber marking machine which I use for deep relief engraving and cutting small parts on brass, silver and stainless steel sheets up to 0.8mm thick. Is there any powdered metal that melts at a lower temperature that I can test with 50W? Years ago I assembled a 3D printer with polymer powder and used a CO2 marking machine to melt the powder as hobby. I'd like to try it with a 50W fiber.
@@ricklaser2846Hi, this one is probably one of 400w Farsoon metal machines. And to melt metal powder u must have inert gas like N/Ar. In this particular case for 316L u need N. Ar is used for Titan
Ahhh its not even fair, i want a metal version of the dragon T.T. I can print em in plastic but its not the same, and god knows theres no way for me to lost cast one... Never works with PIP pieces like that. Ugh...makes me want to get ahold of a big fiber laser and some of those servo mirrors....
It’s more closer too lazer printing than actual 3d printing it’s pretty cool but a long way from me being able to buy one for home use …. Bambuu get on it asap 😂
Там явно такой же бункер должен быть, который в начале показывают. Соединение такое же. Но ручками его не поднять, а на кране или конвеере при покупке сэкономили.
скорее всего просто высоты потолков не хватило - собственно именно с бункера и должны загружать видимо - тк все под эти бункеры у них есть и сушка вакуумная и просев и много чего еще не показанного....
It depends on the angle of the section printed, the powder isn't packed down, printing on open powder causes an uneven surface that can damage the powder wiping arm, rip out the wiping material and ruin an entire print.
2:23 Million dollar machine but won't pay for anything except a rickety step ladder to balance on for your life while you pour in material worth hundreds of dollars....
8:53 Omfg ... I always thought the powder is supporting enough. But obviously this is not a "buy" argument as I thought till now. So one advantage less of SLM.
А точность , а усадка.? Красиво , но безразмерно. Не лентопил а электроэрозионный станок. Один цикл плиты, потом на шлифовку. И что странно почем загрузка вручную а не сразу из контейнера в инертной среде. Растят из инконеля в лучшем случае а не из титана.
Hi, these prints need supports to prevent layer warping, because every layer resides heat and cooling stresses. So heat needs to be transfered to platform. Secondly, metal particles are much heavier than plastic ones Sorry for my language
@cethyhnc9305 I don't know what book you're using and what it's written there, but for example Wikipedia and anyone else who has a clue on the topic calls this 3d printing.
@@PjotrStroganov its all about precision and show how detailed it can get , my friend once printed a key cap with a wolf i swear there was so much detail i had to use my macro now that is impressive ! But anyway you right
These company really has zero regard for their workforce. They have to climb on the machine to load it, stand on their toes to put the plate in. This place is designer for employees to have strains and other injuries.
I work in a shop that does aerospace, defense, heavy equipment, food production, and rapid prototyping with Renishaw DMLS machines. That paired with machining post production makes highly functional parts.
its not chinese tech, why they trying to show like its theyr. it EU made. And noby will make like this like they showed.powder is very expensive, sometimes roller which adds sand fails and fails print. Than you print you pack evrything as close as possible, its like how you could use every space in kube possible. There is % of failed prints, sand can simply move. But biggest problem is price of sand type material used. And you must question capabilities of stufff made, can it be same as mold metal
The gas atomized powder is expensive, and varies greatly depending on material. 500kg of 718 Inconel will set you back between $40,000 and $50,000. Prints do fail, either from a poor layout on the plate, bad supports, or too low of a dose of powder per layer. With proper parameters, parts can have 99.8% density or better, so mechanically they will behave the same as a cast piece. The metal powder does not shift when building, however, stress created in the printed part can cause warping depending on the parts shape.
Love the safety foot gear.
wow! now we can order custom metal parts we design from our CAD just like PCBs. buying those SLMs wont really justify the cost/benefit for my hobby, aside from the mere fact that I would not be able to afford those machines in my lifetime. kudos to JLC for making the technology reachable to us.
Xometry offers services for part making, we print parts at work for them daily.
@@Friariahxometry has EXORBITANT prices, I’m talking 10x the price of the same part from PCBWay or JLC
@@jumpvelocity3953 true, it is aimed more at bigger businesses doing rapid prototyping.
happy Chinese New Year to all the guys at JLC! I'm sure they can use the break
Круто!
Супер!
Дракон - красавец!
C'est juste Fantastique ! ❤️👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌹🌷🌹💐🌹🌷🌹🙏😊
High tech company, wooden chairs for the workers. Sweet that they care for their workers ;-)
I've been in sooo many labs with expensive lab/workshop chairs and stools that were uncomfortable as hell. Countless times I've been soldering for hours and wishing for a normal chair that looks like those wooden ones.
The real problem in the video is when they have to lower those steel plates onto the floor and those low rollers- seems like a nightmare for your back! I'm sure they'll iron that out eventually though
What about gaming chairs?
Ah the Chinese way.
But didnt you notice the safety shoes?
Wooden chairs are absolutely okay, for long sitting I like them better than soft foam chairs.
Why is the powder and fabrication plate handling done in such a primitive manual way when the rest of the process is so advanced?
beacause it's obviously cheaper
Because it's in china, the machine probably from out of china.
good question, this is the so-called sense of ritual
Maybe it’s a prototype machine
primitive and advanced are subjective 🤷♂️
Hilarious. The sound is excellent, like speakers in the factory play jazz all day long.
Сначало возмутило то, что такая толстая и тяжеленная плита, на которой производится печать, но потом стало понятно, что после каждой печати её нужно шлифовать) Ну, а так-то хорошо подходит для печати драконов, по очень высокой цене.
кувалдой по ней куярить не смутило вообще, да??
@@О.Ш-ь1щ Похоже, что там резиновый молоток. ничего ей не будет от него
@@О.Ш-ь1щ там без инерционный молоток он резиновый. да и что с это плитой случится если её реально после каждого раза шлифуют.... плюс вся печать в отрыве от самой плиты и даже если она будет чуток кривой не так критично - порошок скомпенсирует
На таких принтерах выгодно делать протезы из титана. Не только зубные, но и для конечности. Правда инвалидам сво власти не дадут денег для приличных протезов - лучше купить лишний дворец для себя
@@ЕржанКабулов-й4ы🤡🤡🤡
this is the year, amazingly wonderful
nice video. some of these working steps look hilarious compared to the high tech printing process. getting a ladder to fill the printer at the top with a funnel while nearly spilling some powder into the machine. hammering the printing plate on the ground after printing. transporting the final printing plate with a career where you always have to lift the heavy plate to and from the ground instead of having it on a similar level like the printer window.
Hammering the print plate on the ground is likely done to reduce the amount of particulates that float in the air
You really don't see any other solution? Lol and you like lifting?@@Life-of-Sammy-J
Could be a reason but If floating particulates are a concern they could do It In a chamber with vibration or something.@@Life-of-Sammy-J
Interesting that they used a wire EDM process to cut the finished parts from the platten.
The first commercially developed EDM machine was produced in the Soviet Union in 1967!
Watching this, while waiting for my FDM printer to finish printing.
Can't wait for affordable metal powder printers!
Твой принтер уже может только купи филамент металлический и сделай постобработку ....
Better strap in then because I think we’re a long ways off
I want one like this at home
I can’t figure why these prints have supports? This is basically SLS with metal and SLS prints don’t need supports as the material surrounding the part at every layer is the support.
Hi, these prints need supports to prevent layer warping, because every layer resides heat and cooling stresses. So heat needs to be transfered to platform. Secondly, metal particles are much heavier than plastic ones
Sorry for my language 😅
@@alexpavlov7962 so the need for supports and heavy post processing on parts to obtain finish is a game breaker. Especially for parts that need incredibly tight tolerances. Both the time to post process by hand and inaccuracy of manual support removal along with the possibility of damaging the work piece in the process makes this a very niche and unreliable method for metal parts compared to a quality 5 axis CNC.
yes, you are right supports were absolutely not necessary.
@@rjakiel73 This technology is definitely still in the early stages. It won't be replacing machining any time soon.
@@rjakiel73While yes, you're not typically going to have perfect tolerances right out the gate, this process paired with machining does things that just straight milling cannot. It also reduces to costs when it comes to prototyping be removing the need for mold making and things of that nature.
very impressive!!
Супер технологично из тазика в воронку засыпать рабочее тело.😂
Я думал, что будет если мимо высыпет, весь аппарат придётся выкидывать или только часть?
реалии реального Цеха - не хватило высоты потолков...
супер удобная загрузка из тазика со стремянки под потолком. чисто не глядя куда сыпешь. еще прикололо, как детали отваливаются, попутно ударяясь друг о друга и детали станка
Коллеги, если кому интересно, могу проконсультировать по всему циклу изготовления мет.деталей с помощью slm технологии, в данном технологическом процессе не используется станция подачи порошка, скорее всего, в целях экономии.
Neat looking dragon.
Yeah.. this is why I don't do this in my shop. I wouldn't have a shop, I'd have a building for metal printing. This video demonstrates why it's worth it to hire JLPCB.
Очень крутое производство!🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Looks good. But Mihohogu dial indicator??? precision accuracy!!)))
If this type of printer processes, for example, 15 mm thick metal, will this metal be armor resistant against military small arms?
8:14 wow nice shot
COOL😎
Soy seguidor de tu canal ahora .. pero explica cómo haces para que imprima foil donde tiene que ser..
Titanium Fidget Dragons? I am sold.
so... How is the bed adhesion?
Cool!
I was trying to understand why it took 2 people to place the metal bar, and then 1 was enough to remove it and with the extra weight of the print, but then I noticed that the preparation bar had nothing to do with the final work, because one has 6 fixing screws and the other only 4. After all, he wasn't the superman there.
Dragon!🤩
В вакууме так же можно целые механизмы печатать, был бы порошок нужного состава. Еще и автоматически отсасывать излишки. Правда не знаю как рекристаллизацию производить.
Incredible! Something any dragon would be proud to own!
🤩👍👍👍
Seu trabalho é muito interessante
Its a Prototype, look at Steps involved, which in time will be reduced to a single machine ...
Anyone knows which CAD software was used in this video?
Seems weird that they're printing onto a metal slab then EDM cutting the parts off. I thought one of the big advantages of SLS printing is that you can print free floating parts.
Probably for extra extra stability
If this ain’t the stupidest comment ive seen
Ключевой инструмет "Молоток"!😁
Machine name please?
Процесс еще очень сырой, много дополнительной обработки, он для штучных изделий, либо нестандартных изделий которых требуется не много и не выгодно строить линию для их производства. Технология имеет право на жизнь но как дополнение к уже имеющимся. У нее своя ниша.
И неизвестно что с прочностью. из каких металлов можно это печатать. Возможна ли термическая обработка.
Nice one!, what metal powder do you use?
0:56 said .316 stainless steel powder
@@Bugnarok Thank you for your reply. I imagine that the machine uses a fiber laser of at least 200W. I have a 50W fiber marking machine which I use for deep relief engraving and cutting small parts on brass, silver and stainless steel sheets up to 0.8mm thick. Is there any powdered metal that melts at a lower temperature that I can test with 50W? Years ago I assembled a 3D printer with polymer powder and used a CO2 marking machine to melt the powder as hobby. I'd like to try it with a 50W fiber.
@@ricklaser2846 unfortunately I'm just a viewer here, I have no idea about the specs of the machine or anything related to it, sorry.
@@ricklaser2846Hi, this one is probably one of 400w Farsoon metal machines. And to melt metal powder u must have inert gas like N/Ar. In this particular case for 316L u need N. Ar is used for Titan
Stenlis 316
That one guy wearing glasses, a mask, a helmet an his safety crocs.
can't forget the safety crocs fersure
На сколько циклов печати хватает плиты?)
Please, improve the ergonomy for the workers!
i always thought that you don't need supports when sls printing
no problems with bed adhesion here
Why are the machine names covered? Probably cuz they are from so hated west or at least copied... Go figure...
Очень классно
the metal dragon, its a shame they didnt just add a necklace chain pendent loop
I guess they don’t worry so much about the printed object staying stuck down to the bed.
Ahhh its not even fair, i want a metal version of the dragon T.T. I can print em in plastic but its not the same, and god knows theres no way for me to lost cast one... Never works with PIP pieces like that. Ugh...makes me want to get ahold of a big fiber laser and some of those servo mirrors....
It’s more closer too lazer printing than actual 3d printing it’s pretty cool but a long way from me being able to buy one for home use …. Bambuu get on it asap 😂
Meanwhile I still havent bought the stl file to print that dragon. 😂
Загрузка порошка сверху такой громадины. О чем думали инженеры?
Maybe there was a conveyor or feeder that was too expensive or did not fit into the room. I don't think this is the standard setup.
Там явно такой же бункер должен быть, который в начале показывают. Соединение такое же. Но ручками его не поднять, а на кране или конвеере при покупке сэкономили.
скорее всего просто высоты потолков не хватило - собственно именно с бункера и должны загружать видимо - тк все под эти бункеры у них есть и сушка вакуумная и просев и много чего еще не показанного....
Why are support materials needed when there's still a bed of unmelted metal powder underneath?
It looked like that was used to prevent lateral movement rather than vertical
It depends on the angle of the section printed, the powder isn't packed down, printing on open powder causes an uneven surface that can damage the powder wiping arm, rip out the wiping material and ruin an entire print.
2:40 Ahh, the forbidden sherbert.
Look at this and the difference of manufacturing in India.
2:23 Million dollar machine but won't pay for anything except a rickety step ladder to balance on for your life while you pour in material worth hundreds of dollars....
China
what about the dining chairs
It's just a 3 foot step, what's so bad about that? Seems like he's standing on it just fine.
Mira @McGybeer aquí se ve cómo hacen tu dragón! Sí que tiene soportes! Vaya no me deja mencionarte!
It's crazy that with a 'high tech' machine, you have to climb on top of a rickety ladder? and load powder through a funnel...
oy we have some extra space on the thing, what to do?
throw in a lizard to fill the blanks lol
Nah, the lizard was the main piece, the other stuff was just filling out the rest of the plate.
8:53 Omfg ... I always thought the powder is supporting enough. But obviously this is not a "buy" argument as I thought till now. So one advantage less of SLM.
Compared to what other proces? I don’t see a cnc mill make a print in place articulated dragon. ;)
你好怎么联系你们？
I would print beyblades
No credit for the person who designed the dragon model??
They're Chinese... Of course not. But there's probably a million articulating dragon stls out there that have been ripped off ad-infinatum.
3:23
two common people.... 7:00 thor HAHAHAHA
Что за чудо лентопил на 8:15
Электроэрозионный станок.
I want safety crocs
7:53 naic
Без молотка нигде... 😂😂😂
Just imagine when China uses 3D Printing for cell and limbs and organs by building scaffolds and stem cells!!! 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
3d print a UFO. That fly
А точность , а усадка.? Красиво , но безразмерно. Не лентопил а электроэрозионный станок. Один цикл плиты, потом на шлифовку. И что странно почем загрузка вручную а не сразу из контейнера в инертной среде. Растят из инконеля в лучшем случае а не из титана.
Why the music whyyyy 🤌
Sell me that dragon?
600?
very slow, energy intensive and dirty process. I hope we advanced this tech much more for mass,clean production.
There must be easier ways to get the powder into the machine, no?
Что-то сложное.
WHY SUPPORTS
Hi, these prints need supports to prevent layer warping, because every layer resides heat and cooling stresses. So heat needs to be transfered to platform. Secondly, metal particles are much heavier than plastic ones
Sorry for my language
@@alexpavlov7962 perfect explanation! Thanks that sounds logical.
I'm just some curious hobbyist with plastic printers.
That's pretty interesting
Darian Way
Best of luck, but this video appears to be of very little use!
shut up and take my money
Lässt sich auch Intelligenz (zum implantieren) kreieren?
No ay seguridad para el polvo de metal.
. No ay garantias de salud para el personal
quite primitive material handling for a Japanese company
Isn't it 3d cutting ? I dont see no printing happening here ...
4:55 3d printing
7:55 1d cutting
@@Omsip123again, this aint "printing", it's still cutting in my book.
@@cethyhnc9305 3d cutting is not a thing
@@phatcap976Neither do you, but here you are, commenting non-sense.
@cethyhnc9305 I don't know what book you're using and what it's written there, but for example Wikipedia and anyone else who has a clue on the topic calls this 3d printing.
Im not impress...
nah its not that whow to be honest, i tought its a bit closer to resin printers quality but its kinda worse than fdm :D
Now do a strength test. Quality of the end result is quite good tbh. They probably could have lowered the layer height too but why would they?
@@PjotrStroganov its all about precision and show how detailed it can get , my friend once printed a key cap with a wolf i swear there was so much detail i had to use my macro now that is impressive ! But anyway you right
This is much better than fdm, unless you've worked with the machines in high volume, you have no idea.
These company really has zero regard for their workforce. They have to climb on the machine to load it, stand on their toes to put the plate in. This place is designer for employees to have strains and other injuries.
Good for toys but nothing else.
They literally printed something else lol.
I work in a shop that does aerospace, defense, heavy equipment, food production, and rapid prototyping with Renishaw DMLS machines. That paired with machining post production makes highly functional parts.
You waste a lot of energy. I would improve your fatigue a lot making 3 changes on your process and you would gain a lot of time.
its not chinese tech, why they trying to show like its theyr. it EU made. And noby will make like this like they showed.powder is very expensive, sometimes roller which adds sand fails and fails print. Than you print you pack evrything as close as possible, its like how you could use every space in kube possible. There is % of failed prints, sand can simply move. But biggest problem is price of sand type material used. And you must question capabilities of stufff made, can it be same as mold metal
The gas atomized powder is expensive, and varies greatly depending on material. 500kg of 718 Inconel will set you back between $40,000 and $50,000. Prints do fail, either from a poor layout on the plate, bad supports, or too low of a dose of powder per layer. With proper parameters, parts can have 99.8% density or better, so mechanically they will behave the same as a cast piece. The metal powder does not shift when building, however, stress created in the printed part can cause warping depending on the parts shape.
I bet Asians bought this printer because it requires 10 minutes less than if they do it manually with Dremel out of a solid piece of metal
人家是做机器的厂家好不好，这只是一个DEMO，展示自己机器的能力🤣
Finally the Chinese have figured out how to make something even worse than there cheap castings 🙄
“生产区域谢绝拍照及录像”
the rules can be bent a little bit🤭
太粗糙
Представьте чего бы СССР достиг если бы не Вовка упырь...
Такие установки производят в РФ)
low print quality
+/- .003" with a .03 layer height is low quality to you?