Disability representation!! "The Giggle" Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Special 3 Reaction & Review
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
6:03 Reaction
34:31 Initial thoughts
34:56 Clothing exchange
36:11 Never been happier in my life
37:25 The Doctor's inner child
39:35 Staying with the Temple-Nobles
42:19 Growth/change
42:45 Disability representation
48:16 Things I missed
48:50 Welcome Ncuti!
49:42 Outro
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Kate is REALLY smart for recruiting old companions. The Doctor chose them all for a reason, as they each stand apart from the human race in SUCH unique ways. How could you not want them on your team?
I don't know if you saw, but on the topic of Shirley being an ambulatory wheelchair user: She moved her leg at one point in the Star Beast and an anti-woke loser (aren't they all?) started ranting about how this proved she wasn't really disabled and they were just checking boxes in a rush to do forced representation (etc, etc). They were very silent after it was pointed out that ambulatory wheelchair users, i.e. Shirley's actress Ruth Madeley, exist.
Oh my gosh 🙄🤦🏼♀️ So frustrating. But this representation is hopefully a good continuation of the conversation. Some people are really stuck in their ways some with good intentions and some not. But the more we talk about it (hopefully) the more people will be educated and aware.
Yeah, that's ignorant as fuck. I've known two wheelchair users in my life who are capable of walking, but one look at them when they do makes it pretty damn obvious why they are in a wheelchair. They can walk, but it does not look pleasant for them at all.
The wheelchair ramp was added because RTD was talking to a fan that uses a wheelchair, and they mentioned how much they liked the Tardis, even though as a wheelchair user they couldn’t enter it. RTD resolved to fix this and added the ramp.
The fan in question runs a UA-cam channel under the name of Tharries, and I’d highly recommend his channel to you.
The 14th Doctor won’t be reappearing, which has been confirmed by RTD, and my feeling is the spin-off will be based on UNIT. I can’t see them creating a character like the vlinx, only to use them for a couple of throwaway lines.
One piece of advice: don’t worry about whether people will like your opinion. The sad truth is that the bigger you get as a channel the more hateful comments you are likely to see, and there’s simply no way you can cater to everyone.
Be your own unique self, and be unapologetic for being who you are.
I know that is easier said than done, as anxiety about other people is the reality of content creation, but there are people out there who live to be offensive, and the best thing to do is ignore them, as attention just feeds them.
Love your channel, and sorry for the lecture.
Thank you so much for your comment! I really appreciate your thoughts. And wow! So cool about the story behind the ramp, I actually am subbed to Tharries and have been for a while I had no idea it was him that got RTD to incorporate the ramp. That’s so awesome ☺️
Honestly its kind of a bit stupid. If K-9 can get in the Tardis, someone in a wheelchair can.
@@Damaged7 Not necessarily. Electric wheelchairs especially struggle to manage even small steps, and even with a manual wheelchair there’s a chance of toppling. I guessing the K-9 reference is satire as we never actually saw him get in and out of the Tardis. 😉
@@Damaged7 They kinda cheated us out of that one, they never showed him enter the TARDIS they just showed him inside (because it wasn't accessible). Now it's clear that the TARDIS is accessible which is awesome and inclusive and has zero negative impact on anything 🤷🏼♀
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Im unsure if you remember, but last time The Doctor won The Toymaker's game by mimicking his voice.
The Toymaker probably decided to start cycling accents to make sure that doesn't happen again.
I didn’t remember that, interesting point! Thanks for letting me know
It wasn't a regeneration, it was a retirement and he deserves it. I'd love Ncuti to enter the Timeless Child Universe he came from and discover his real origins, there's an arc.
RTD gets mad respect for even attempting to put a satisfying, happy bow on 60 years of stories AND letting the adventure continue. Also, The life size marionette being practical took me by surprise, I definitely thought they did the whole thing with CGI. Really well done!
That’s amazing! It’s really incredible how much of the specials have had practical effects
"I thought I was cle-ver! I thought I was cle-ver!"
@kevinschultz5678 that line delivery gave me Community vibes for some reason 😂 Like maybe Abed’s Christmas episode? I think it reminds me of something Jeff did at some point
@@thestarsthemselves. Lol I hadn't thought of that but it totally does sound like something from Jeff in that Christmas episode!
I love how much of a mama bear Kate is. The instant someone in her team dies, she goes from Kate Stewart to Kate Lethbridge-Stewart. The main difference between them being her immediate declaration of the words "OPEN FIRE!!"
One way to interpret the Doctor saying he's never been happier is the difference between momentary happiness and contentment. The Doctor may have been happier in the moment, but he's never been as content as he is now that he can just rest.
I think the Vlinx is basically what the Doctor was in UNIT's early days, but seen by the audience from the outside, an incredibly advanced alien who uses a title instead of a name, who somehow ended up on Earth and is just being helpful. It's the same situation, just being viewed from a different perspective.
See, RTD? You don't have to eliminate disability from an evil character. You can just create a new disabled character who isn't evil!
When did he do that? The comic relief special was set extremely early in the war, even way before genesis of the daleks, before davros was mutated. So was just showing davros before he became disabled. And when Russell mentioned about the future, he didn't mean literally erasing wheelchair davros, he meant this early non disabled davros is how we should view him in our heads. Evil Nazi like guy. Rather than evil disfigured Nazi guy in a wheelchair. The route James bond films go down constantly. And if it was to change in the future, he would get out of the wheelchair, not the past being erased. My theory is that the time Lord energy from series 9 healed davros enough to recover somewhat. And we will see a partially disfigured, but not wheelchair bound davros in the future. But Russel wouldn't just erase it and that's definitely not what he meant. He made sure the toymaker was only referred to as the toymaker and not the "celestial" toymaker due to it being a slur... But he still referenced the history by including the line "we can be, celestial". He progresses, he doesn't erase.
@@jakeoliver9167 But he literally said he did it because it was apparently offensive and "this is how we see Davros now", when he could've just fixed the apparent problem by creating non-evil disabled characters, like he just has. Also, this move implies that it's impossible for a disabled person to be evil, which is completely untrue.
The actress playing Ruth is in the behind the scenes talking about the Tardis being weelchair accessable and she starts to cry while talking about being a part of history in doctor who
Yeah I saw that bts clip and it made me cry too 🥹 So cool
I don't know if anyone has already answered this for you, but there is a theory: The 14th regenerates in the future, when it should actually regenerate. And, in his first moments as 15th, he is pulled into the past. Then, he ended up during the fight between 14th and Toymaker. What makes it clear that 15th came from 14th's future is that he says he's fine because 14th stopped to fix himself. He could only be okay and know why this happened if he came from the future, since, until that moment, the 14th hadn't stopped. At the end of The Giggle, he's heading to the exact spot he was, seconds after he disappeared. And if you think about it, bigeneration. Bi. The same incarnation regenerated twice: Once, in The Giggle and once in the future.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I have heard that theory. And also the theory that 14 ends up becoming the curator from the 50th anniversary. Both theories I’m open to and I think either of them would make this bigeneration a lot more meaningful to me
Well dang, I don't think I've ever subscribed solely on one video before
(but yeah as a filmmaker, I love these kinda channels)
Thank you!! Glad you’re here 😌
Hey, thank you for the reaction and your insights into the ambulatory wheelchair user topic.
CONFESSION TIME! I often see a guy in a wheelchair around my apartment who uses his foot to move it forward. My primitive brain initially thought he was faking or something, which I considered a bit creepy. However, after watching this Doctor Who episode and your reaction as well, I know better. I now realize how ignorant I was, and I feel ashamed about it.
So much for people complaining about representations of all groups of people in Doctor Who-turns out, it actually has a positive impact. Surprise, surprise.
I haven’t known how to respond, but your comment means so much to me. Thank you for watching, thank you for sharing, and thank you for being open to changing your perspective 💜🥹
There is a lot of confusion surrounding the bigeneration, but after listening to the commentary and rewatching it seems like the 14 doctor will continue to live with Donna, healing emotionally, eventually regenerating into 15 and at that moment will be transported via the toymaker interference to bigenerate. I don't know if this completely makes sense but were not supposed to treat it like Tennant will have his own spinoff or is the "real" doctor in comparison.
I think another great point someone made online is that there isn't 1 doctor, there are potentially 15+ doctors because as a time traveler there all constantly travell all over time and space and overlapping their existence all the time.
Yeah, very interesting. I have heard about what Russell has said about it. Still quite confusing to me but I have confidence that it will be explored and explained more in the future if that’s really a thing he wants to make cannon.
Its odd deja vu because Ruth Madley also appears as an ambulatory wheel chair user companion in the Big Finish audio dramas (along side Mel).
Oh interesting! I didn’t know she did that! I’ve gotta get ahold of those audio dramas someday, I wish they were more easily accessible.
@@thestarsthemselves. There are a few hundred on Spotify for, I think, free, but they're the oldest. Some are excellent, to be clear, but everything with Ruth Madeley as Hebe Harrison are from the past couple years.
Loved the reaction and understand some of your concerns, but also I loved the disability representation. And even more that Shirley being able to use her legs in a limited way was jumped upon in the Star Beast by some awful fans and then became a point in this episode.
Personally I loved this episode (and the three episodes as a whole) to bits.
One small point... the very first on-screen regeneration from William Hartnell to Patrick Troughton the Doctor's outfit also changed, so what happened in the Power of the Doctor actually was not without precedent.
And I didn't have a problem watching Ncuti running around without pants (or trousers as we call them - for us pants are his boxer shorts). He may be the first Doctor I've actually had some naughty thoughts about...
Really enjoyed this episode My son and I were lucky enough to see some of the filming that was done in Bristol. We saw the Doctor and the Toymaker. My son was lucky enough to go on the set after where he took lots of photos. There was a lot of detail there that wasn't shown on tv. They've also done some of the next series there so we'll try and go there too.
That’s so cool! What a fun experience ☺️ Thanks for sharing
Amazing Job!!!! Honestly, I cannot believe I have never heard of you before. excellent well structured commentary and I ENJOYED your video. you earn another subscribe and just keep being yourself.
Thanks so much 🥹 That’s very kind of you
welcome @@thestarsthemselves.
The fact that so much of both this episode and the christmas special were leaked made me block the word “leak” and all variations of it on twitter 😂
Thats a really smart idea! 😂 The Doctor Who leaks have gotten ridiculous
I think the Amy and Rory connection is different because he lost them. Wish Donna he had to “let go” to save her and then got to come back to his friend and live his rehab life with her
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I loved this entire episode, easily my favorite of the 60th specials. I know the bigeneration is controversial but I thought it was a beautiful way to close out an entire era of the show, and seeing david and ncuti together was magical. I do totally understand why you had mixed feelings on it though, big changes to the established rules of the show are always weird and a little off-putting.
That’s wonderful that you enjoyed it so much! Thank you for watching my and commenting ☺️
Awhhh maynn I really do hope you continue reacting to doctor who I love watching your reactions I never miss them hope everything is okay though and keep up the good work !!!!
Thanks so much 🙏🏻 That’s very kind of you. I am currently editing the Christmas special reaction
They honestly should've put the ramp for the TARDIS way sooner. Iirc, in classic who with K-9, they had problems because of that.
Totally agree 👏🏻 It’s about time
I think the Amy and Rory connection is different because he lost them. With Donna he had to “let go” to save her and then got to come back to his friend and live his rehab life with her
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You'd think UNIT, with all that technology, would be able to put a motor on it. And that Estes model rocket in _The Star Child,_ pfui! I have 24 volts and 70 Amp hours on my Permobil, so I'm looking for a pulse laser and a coil gun to trick it out.
Ok, so, very fun episode, but a few things:
The actress playing Shirley suffers from spinal bifida, hence the wheelchair
Funny thing about why Ncuti is not wearing pants, if'n you look closely him and David are sharing a costume, they each are wearing exactly one-half of it
Aside from thinking the made up word bi-generation is dumb, I think it's rather interesting idea and could explain both the Curator (50th anniversary special) and the Renegade Doctor, though they should've just called it bifurcation
Splitting the clothes is fine, but it doesn't extend automatically to so many shots focusing on Gatwa's tighty whities.
The bi-generation is not without precedent. As the concept of a tri-generation was established back in 2005 with the Gallifrey Chronicles. As there are three in-universe Ninth Doctors: Rowan Atkinson (Curse of Fatal Death), Richard E Grant (Scream of the Shalka), and Christopher Eccleston (Series 1).
I love your candor about this episode as someone who didn’t totally love it either, please don’t feel the need to feel afraid about how your reactions will be received! Part of the joy of reaction videos is seeing what another person thinks about something you love, both positive and negative. Seeing your joy around shirley being ambulatory wheelchair user was really wonderful - I know how important it is to the disabled community but seeing it from your eyes showed me just how important that representation is. Your individual perspective matters. Thank you for your consistently great videos and I cant wait for your church on ruby road reaction!!
Thank you so much 🥹 Oh my gosh, I’m tearing up just reading this comment. Very sweet of you to watch and comment so kindly. Thanks for being here 💜
Funny coincidence that I find my TARDIS necklace today and now I'm watching you and you have one on.
Ha! That’s so fun 😂 I made mine and it’s got Matt’s sonic too 😌
Wow, fantastic work then. It looks just like the one I got for my birthday years ago.
@@thestarsthemselves.
Yeah, I also have very mixed feelings about the bi-generation and the doctor setting down with Donna, but the first half of this episode is really good, very good performance by NPH. The second half... I mostly ignore, but one thing's certain, RTD tries to do new things, not always good things (in my opinion very bad things), but new things!
Yeah I totally agree. I’ve somewhat warmed up to the second half but it still falls a little flat for me. NPH was incredible though I’d really love to see more of the toymaker
@@thestarsthemselves. I wasn’t as bothered by the bi-generation.
That may be because I am old enough to remember the Fourth Doctor’s rather unusual regeneration in to fifth. In this regeneration the Doctor and a figure known as the Watcher fused together to become the fifth Doctor.
Honestly once you’ve had a few decades to mull that over the bi-generation doesn’t feel that odd.
The missile wheelchair was a bit much even if she's part of UNIT
I thought it was great 😂
He had a different fake accent the last time they met. Part of his mind games tendency.
Ohh okay, interesting
That was a great reaction video !
I absolutely love this episode, even though a month later I still don't know how I feel about the bi-generation. I think the toymaker was fantastic, Neil Patrick Harris had so much fun and it shows, especially in the Spice Up Your Life scene. he stole almost every single scene he's in in my opinion.
For the disability representation I was so glad too, especially after seeing RTD talking about the reason for the Tardis accessibility. Doctor Who shines because in a way, thanks to the companions, we travel with the doctor. As an audience we are the companions, and seeing the Tardis accessible might make it easier for people in wheelchair to project themselves in the Tardis. I'd love to see Shirley back, coming in the Tardis even for a single episode.
And you're right: it's amazing seeing an important character with a disability that doesn't force them in the wheelchair.
As confession time, I have no physical disability. I learned I had ADHD as an adult a few month back. I've never been in a wheelchair besides the one time I was in hospital so I'm not gonna pretend I can understand what people in wheelchair live. That being said, seing positive representation AND adressing some misconception with wheelchair was in my opinion amazing. I loved seing you so happy thanks to that. It might not feel important to everyone, but seing your reaction was truly amazing.
Please keep up the good content !
The reason that 15 is half dressed is because the other half is on 14. If you look at the scene of them walking away from the gold tooth you can see that 14 is barefoot and 15 has the shoes…as well as the shirt and tie
This also means since 15 is wearing underwear, 14 is going commando.
Yeah I talked about that in my discussion, I caught that was the reason just felt like it was unnecessary
@@thestarsthemselves. Normally the new doctor is stuck with the old doctor’s clothes for a while. (The exception was when 13 became 14). I saw this as a way to go back to that norm with 15 getting stuck with some of 14’s clothes. I think it would have been weirder for 15 to come out of the bi-generation with all of 14’s clothes or even whole new wardrobe🤷🏼♀️
@@MAB_Canada yeah I guess that makes sense, that’s a good way of looking at it
For me I never find regenerations jarring I always enjoy seeing them as a magical fantastic experiment to watch there's no other show that would have your leading main character die then change into someone else it's always sad your favourite actor is gone but at the same time I'm always excited to see the new guy or girl because underneath all that it's still the Doctor the same character but I will say I found the bi-generation very jarring this is probaly one of my least favourite of all the Doctor's regenerations I would had rather he just changed rather than splitting it felt like a real cop-out and I think it's abit too self indulgent and having Tennant around would overshadow and have all that baggage over Ncuti Gatwa and I don't think that's the best way to introduce your new star it also diminishes Tennant from the other Doctors and undermines all the other Doctors i mean i guess I'm happy maybe as a one-off new idea but I'm hoping it never happens again.
That aside it was a great episode I loved Ncuti's entrance and his energy i thought Neil Patrick Harris did a fantastic job as The Celestial Toymaker and although I wasn't a fan of Mel Bush during her tenure in the 1980's because she was mostly known for her screaming RTD has written her better and was surprisingly good in this.
These videos have been a blessing! I don’t have many people to talk Doctor Who with and share in my own excitement for the new episodes, so it’s been an absolute pleasure to be able to see such genuine and thoughtful reactions from someone who actually loves the show as much as I do. Thank you very much!
Thank you so much for watching and commenting!! I’m so so glad to hear that my reactions have given you a way of enjoying Doctor Who with someone else. I think the first reactions I ever watched myself were Doctor Who reactions for the same reason. I don’t have many people in my life who love Doctor Who and to see the excitement and love for the show in other people on UA-cam was so special. That sparked my love for reaction videos and eventually my decision to start my own 🥹 I’m so grateful to hear that my reactions are having the impact I hoped they would. Thanks for being here 💜
Great reaction, intelligent, well-reasoned, thoughtful. As always. 😊 I don't think any rational person would consider you part of the toxic fandom, heck no. I also have had my reservations about certain aspects of recent Who, but I accept them as part of the whole. I've loved this show for over 40 years, I'm not about to stop liking it for any of these new and/or controversial elements. I really do hope you continue to react to the new season for us, I appreciate having a different point of view shown to me to enrich my life. Not that I think we're vastly different, just that everyone brings their own unique life experiences to things, and it's important to hear those different views. Thank you for another great reaction!
Thank you so much for such a kind comment. I really appreciate your support!
So as a wheelchair user, I'll never be able to cosplay as Davros again. Thanks RTD! I LOVED going to comicon with a metal gauntlet on, in my electric wheelchair in full prosthetics doing the voices and cackle. But no, he had to take that AWAY from the disabled community.
edit: saying i'll have to go as Professor X somehow is against community guidelines. Go figure!
i think you still can, and you will still be recognized as davros. i mean people also still cosplay as past doctors for example and get recognized as them. i dont a character changing means you cant cosplay as past versions of them.
pls do tell me if you think im wrong about this, these are just my thoughts about the subject, and its entirely possible in incorrect (:
The Davros depicted in the Children in Need scene was Davros before the accident that caused his disabilities. It was a prequel. Wheelchair Davros hasn’t been erased from the history of the show so I’m not sure why you wouldn’t be able to cosplay as him going forward. I hope that you ultimately feel that you can go as the character you love.
I feel like the bigeneration is a cop out. The show’s ratings have gone down. Fan interest isn’t there like it was in the early 2000s. The fanbase is divided. One of the only things they could do to unite everyone is bringing back the most beloved Doctor since Tom Baker. It feels like they did this to have Tennant on deck as an “in case of ratings emergency, break glass” thing, like a way to keep lapsed fans interested. I LOVE David, he’s my Doctor, he’s one of my favorite actors working today, but the show desperately needs to move on from him if it’s going to survive. They can’t keep relying on nostalgia, because now it’s diminishing returns.
YES to the Kilgrave mention! Tennant is maybe even better as a villain. Certainly as a character with more venom going on (Barty Crouch jr. being another example). Your reactions are so wholesome and genuine, thankyou once again!
Thanks so much for watching and commenting 🥹