How To Make Slow Speed Turns Motorcycle/U-Turns Part 2 Friction Zone & Throttle Control
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- This video will cover how to make slow speed turns on a motorcycle. I will cover why the clutchand friction zone is vital in slow speed motorcycle control when making u-turns and how the clutch and throttle work together. I will cover what the friction zone is and how to use it properly. At the end of the video I will give a tip that will help if you always feel like you are falling when making u-turns. I will cover how to use the throttle control and how to use it properly when making u-turns
I will give you 2 clutch control drills and 2 throttle control drills you can practice:
1) Friction Zone Drill (rocking back and forth).
2) 2x4 Drill
3) Figure 8 Drill (throttle control)
4) 360 Drill (Advanced throttle control)
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I've been watching tons of motorcycle training videos in the past year, and yours are some of the easiest to understand that I've seen, down to the little technical details. I was still unsure about certain concepts until I found your videos that cleared up so many questions. Thank you!!
I am so glad I could help and I really appreciate you watching and sharing your comments. Keep me posted on your progress.
Hey Paul,
As a rider with many years experience but Zero formal training, I decided it was time to make myself safe. One of my areas I am greatly lacking is slow speed manoeuvres - especially that moment when you feel you need to put your foot down in a U Turn and the feeling the bike is going to fall over/
I made all the mistakes you describe on the video (put my foot down, Dip the clutch so I am coasting, it the front brake - how I have avoided disaster is a miracle to be honest. So I decided I needed to change my riding habits and learn to be a safe rider.
So when I saw your video series on U Turns, I thought it can't harm to try it out.
I have just come back from 2 hours of drills (I have been doing figures of 8's and circles for the past week but still have that fear of falling mid turn) and after a shaky start, I soon built up confidence to let the bike do what it does best.
I started with the Friction point exercise, then I added my own drill - moving forward and slowing down using the clutch. After that I started with figure of 8's and I had a moment when I felt that falling feeling so moved my body as a counterweight, let out the clutch a little and bingo, I got round.
So rinse and repeat.
Then I started doing 360's - again after a slow start, I got much more comfortable on the bike than I have ever been.
Finally I did a few U Turns in the road on an industrial estate, and confidently was able to U turn in the width of the road - I have done so before but always very shakily - this time it was with a degree of confidence.
So thank you very much - this is fantastic video and I look forward to watching the rest of them and doing the relevant drills to improve my riding ability
Vince
That is very exciting to hear about your progress. And I like that you are wanting to improve your riding skills. Keep working and keep me posted and thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a comment.
The video is exceptionally detailed and explained Amazing work and invested I really enjoy seeing your tutorials Thank you very much
Thank you for watching
I dropped my bike twice while doing figure 8’s at the 2 Day Basic Riders Course. I didn’t know what I did wrong at the time, but I learned after I relied on the bikes idle speed alone. I was a 225lb guy at the time, riding one of their 250cc bikes. I somehow managed to pass the test and get my endorsement but not knowing why I fell killed my confidence. I asked my coach why I was having difficulty with this drill, and he said he didn’t see me fall but it was due to one of two things, one of which was to roll on the clutch a little for a little more power to get me through. It didn’t really click with me though. I wish I would have seen this video first, excellent description of clutch control.
Thank you an I appreciate you taking the time to watch. And congrats on passing your test
You are great at explaining these step! I’m a new rider and just completed my MSF course. I’m so nervous about riding on the street and I have to ride to the nearest parking lot. Your videos are boasting my confidence.
Thank you for watching. Start out taking routes that you are comfortable with. Keep me posted on your progress 👍
Wow! Can't say I've ever heard a better description of what's going on with the proper interaction of the throttle, clutch, and the rear brake in slow speed maneuvers. I'll be going over this video over and over again.
Thank you so much and thank you for taking the time to watch.
Love your videos - talking about common mistakes. I am watching hoping to pass my retake in a couple of weeks. Once I get my license, I plan to continue to watch. I want to be a good and safe rider and I want to build my confidence. Thank you for these helpful videos!!!!
You are very welcome and thank you for watching. What trouble did you have on your first try
Many thanks, Paul. Your detailed explanations and riding demonstrations have filled in gaps for me like no one else has. Your presentation style is powerful and clear. I appreciate your work.
You are very welcome and I am glad I could help. Thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a comment I really appreciate it. This was one of my first videos, painful ha ha
Your explanation of how the clutch controls the speed rather than the throttle makes complete sense. I feel that after only understanding that it will immediately help me with U turns. I watch several very good motorcycle instructors on UA-cam and just learned about and subscribed to your channel in the past few weeks. You are excellent at explaining things in a way the sticks immediately. I’m glad I found your channel..
Thank you very much I really appreciate you comments and you subscribing to my channel. keep me posted on your progress
My gf and her mom just took your class last week.
She really learned a lot and you seem to be a great teacher.
I plan to take the course in the fall.
See you then, sir.
Thank you for the encouraging words and I look forward to training with you.
Great video, very helpful thankyou
You are welcome and thank you for watching
Paul, I started watching you 2-3 weeks ago and am struggling to get my endorsement in Italy. I wrote you then - you may remember. Since that time, I've watched your slow speed videos and did MUCH better today. Probably did 40 slow slalom circuits; 17 were perfect. And I remember thinking "don't look at the cones" and "turn your shoulders, head, eyes". I'm going to keep repeating your videos and practice a couple times a week. The test is Feb 6. Will keep you posted.
I do remember. I like that you are working on your skills and getting results. Thanks for watching my videos and let me know if you have any questions. If you can record you practicing send me the link and I will be glad to take a look at it.
Very helpful, sir!
Glad I could help and thank you for watching and leaving a comment
Good Show
Thank you!
Great video
Thank you very much
Another great video. Very helpful , you explain with excellent detail. Thanks keep em coming
I don't understand how I've never come across you before, I've watched so many tutorials. Dude, I love the way you explain things, the way you build your sentences I mean. Easy to follow....... I got one thing though I don't know if it's a problem, it seems to be for me. You, and every other video out there are saying about the same thing about how high your tachometer should be. A lot of people including myself don't have a tachometer. Do I just experiment holding the throttle in different positions or is there a better solution.
I glad you found my channel and thank you for watching and leaving your comments. So your RPM's don't have to be exact. You just don't want to idle through your turns. You can go by sound which is what I do. All you need is little purr of the engine. This will help keep you from stalling the bike if you let out to much clutch too fast. I hope this makes sense ha ha if not let me know.
Excellent 🔥
Thank you very much.
This video is worth its weight in gold. Thanks for the tips! They have made me a more confident rider. Motor guy, any relation to motor man?
Glad it helped and that you for watching. And no relation ha ha
Hi Paul, met you at one of the WTFer club practice sessions. I viewed a few of your videos and your presentation of the techniques is excellant! Thanks for putting this information out there for all to learn from!
Thanks for watching and I really appreciate the comments it really helps
Thank you.
Thank you Paul. I need to practice, practice, and practice more even though I may think I know how to perform a maneuver. So many you tube video’s instructing “how to ride” basics. I’ve found you and McRider the ones I watch. Subscribed. God Bless, stay safe.
I really appreciate you taking the time watch and leave a comment. I am very glad I can help!
Paul, where does your clutch begin engaging? 1/4 or 1/2 way up from the grip? Seems to me the lower the engagement of the clutch the more feel for the friction zone.
@@petebrandstrom1038 Good question it seems like mine engages just a little more than 1/4
Best video out there for friction zone maneuverability. Great job Sir! +1 sub
Thank you very much and thank you for subscribing!
Great Stuff Paul. Thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome
Time to practice practice practice
Yes sir ha ha thank you for watching.
Wonderful video Paul Harper. Good explanations with lots of depth. I like the throttle control drills. I find that it is good to start out doing these in a straight line, then a big circle, then getting smaller until I almost can’t make the turn without using the friction zone. Very little fear going straight as rough throttle control can make the bike lunch or surge. Scary when the bike is leaned over. One thing about semantics: You said to never do a u-turn with the clutch all the way out; then you suggest two throttle controls that involve circles and figure eights with the clutch, ayup, all the way out. So, turns and circles that are about four parking spaces wide are certainly doable on a big Beemer without using the clutch. That is probably a perfectly good size for many real world u-turns. I find I can get down to about 27 feet, or three parking spaces, without touching the clutch. However, I can’t do tight u-turns of 24-22 feet without using the friction zone and a bit of rear brake. I like knowing that about my own skill level on my Gold Wing. Keep up the good work. I look forward to your next video.
That you for watching I guess I didn't explain it very well ha ha no friction zone can be used when doing 360's because you have enough momentum to keep the bike up. This drill helps smooth out you throttle control.
The tighter your u-turns are the slower you have to go and you don't have enough momentum to keep the bike up so you have to be in the friction zone. Keep it up and ride safe.
Practice practice practice!!! amen!
Great tips! Have you thought about remaking this video? In your newer videos, you're much more confident, and your voice projection is much better. If this were the first video of yours that I watched, I might not have subscribed to your channel. Regardless, you are always great and helpful. Thanks for making these videos.
Yes I have ha ha every time I watch my first videos I cringe. But they say you have to start somewhere ha ha. I appreciate you watching and giving your feedback.
Hi paul, do you have any tips or exercise drills for two up riding, especially at slow speed? Thanks , Mike
The most important thing is for the passenger to keep centered on the motorcycle and let you do the work. You really don't won't them moving around and leaning with you. If they do anything they can turn their heads and look through the corners. Now having the extra weight on the back will change the suspension so you will need to adjust that. Now for slow speed is the same the passenger needs to stay centered with the motorcycle and not lean with with it.
Thank you Sir! :)
so very clearly explained; thank you!
I now understand the purpose and advantage of reserve rpm per your explanation, however engaging the friction zone the same distance carrying 1500 rpm rather than 1000 rpm, will this not make the bike stand up more and go faster correct?
so at 1500 rpm I would need even less clutch engagement than I would at 1000 rpm correct?
if correct and if throttle set at 1500 rpm, I would only need very, very minute clutch engagement I would think. such minute clutch movement is a problem for me as my left hand has medium level tremor, that's one reason I'm trying my 24' turns at 1000 rpm rather than 1500 rpm to allow myself a bit more clutch engagement to accommodate my tremor, but I now understand if I try a 20' u-turn or less, at 1000 rpm, I could stall the bike or not have enough reserve rpm to catch or correct any of the bike's excessive lean and it may very well tip; am I understanding this correctly?
if so, I need to work hard on carrying 1200 to 1500 rpm as my brain does not want me to do this.
on another issue, I have no problem at all with turning my head and eyes a lot, my problem is that this works too well and tightness my turn so much that the bike feels like it is about to tip in the direction of the turn or that I'm about to undershoot the turn possibly hitting oncoming traffic or a solid object that may be on the tight side of the turn, so my brain tells me stop looking so far to the left if attempting a left turn. perhaps this all ties back to the fact that I'm not carrying enough reserve rpm?
any helpful thoughts on any of this Paul?
1500 RPM's is the best case scenario but it doesn't have to be exact. The bike will still stay up with 1000 RPM's as long as you are in the friction zone and the back wheel is under power. If you are in the friction zone with 1500 RPM or 1000 RPM you shouldn't gain much more speed because you are regulated how much power is transferred to the back wheel with the clutch. The only way you will gain a lot of speed is if you let to much clutch out to much. As you know there is very little space from the friction zone and fully engaged so, once you are in the friction zone there shouldn't be a lot of movement with the clutch. You can due a 20' u turn with 1000 RPM's along long as you aren't idling. Most of the Harley for example idle higher than my Concours 14 and because of this can idle through a u-turn. I know I said a lot but not sure if I really answered your question. If not let me what I didn't manage to answer. Thanks for watching my videos
Great video! One question: you said to cool of the clutch after some time. How much time? Do you cool it by turning the motorcycle off or by riding without using the clutch so the oil and wind cool the bike?
Tvwork we have them ride it back and forth in the parking lot for a couple minutes and also let it sit for several minutes. The best thing is to practice for a little then take a break. What usually causes the clutch to get hot is having high revs when in the friction zone. Depending on how long you are practicing you should be ok and some bikes now have a wet clutch which makes it even better.
Hello Paul,
I just want to let you know that I enjoy watching your videos! Question; do you have any experience with the 2018+ DCT Tour motorcycle and can offer any suggestions on how to better control it in slow speed maneuvers, I.e. U-turns, any suggestions will help?!
Thanks,
Loyal.
Thank you for being part of the channel. I have not had much experience with the DCT motorcycles. I have have a couple of them come through my class and they do well. You really have to learn what speed you need to be at when making the turns and you have to have great throttle control.
You probably explain this in another video, but why do we not just leave the clutch out at all times in slow motion? Or is there something else that prevents the bike from falling over?
Good question. When you leave the clutch all the way out you can't control how much power is released to the rear wheel. So any throttle inputs results in to much power release to the rear wheel and it causes you to pick up speed which makes you go wide. By staying in the friction zone you can control the power released to the rear wheel.
Paul if I'm at a stop sign an making a right turn what's the best way. To do it I have trouble doing it at times
I did a video that might help. Here IA the link. Let ne know if you and any questions
ua-cam.com/video/p6qO_YozJfk/v-deo.html
I am little confused, what do you mean by no clutch
Sorry about that I was referring to doing a drill for throttle control. What I meant was you let the clutch all the way out and use the throttle to control your speed. I hope this clears things up.
The one thing I’m having trouble with is keeping the throttle at 1200-1500rpm.. I feel like when I turn the handle bar it affects the throttle.. At this point I’m just driving in the friction point only. My bike just idles at those rmps, so any throttle I give it puts it well above that..
any suggestions?
Ps I’m absolutely loving the parking lot practice. Im learning a lot and it’s so much safer than the streets 😂
I also find when I leave the parking lot I feel more comfortable every time.
Thanks for all your hard work, amazing channel!
I have a video with a quick tip that will help. I will send it in a few
Here you go sir. It is a really simple fix. Let me know if it helps.
ua-cam.com/video/opKdNsdzuFA/v-deo.html
Thank you very much Paul! I appreciate the lightning fast reply. I’ll have a look in the morning and try it out on my daily 2 hr practice sessions :) cheers!
@@timange124 You are very welcome.
at 5:28 you say "you should not try u turns at auto speeds" can you define that for me ?Thanks!
Sorry about that I was talking about the throttle and meant to say you should not idle when making u turns. Sorry for the confusion that was one of my first videos ha ha
@@ProriderCentralTexasUA-cam thank you ! i went back with the volume up and it is clear you said idle,the annotations said auto! from now on i will listen to the audio and not read the generated text!have a great day!
I’m just getting comfortable on city streets and am getting ready to try some on and off ramps around the highway. To a pro they might seem nothing but to this new rider they’re like looking at the road to Pikes peak with elevation changes and varying radius. Lol. I’m assuming I need to just forget the change in height and go in slow Using second gear the first few times till I’m more comfortable.
You definitely want to take it easy until you get to know the roads. Many riders ride to fast on new roads and they get into trouble.
Hi, thanks for your videos! I have a question for drill 3; what gear is this best done in? I figure first gear will be very jerky?
All of the drills are done in first gear. you are right you will probably start out a little jerky but as your throttle control improves and you are able to make minor adjustments to the throttle this will help smooth thing out.
@@ProriderCentralTexasUA-cam Great, thanks for your quick reply!
@@stianlofstad You are welcome let me know if you need anything else
Im using an automatic scooter and still afraid of doing tight turns from stop
You can still do it you just have to be smooth with the throttle.
Sorry I don’t understand what no clutch means when you or making turns
why would you practice not using the friction zone in a figure 8 or circle they're the same thing as a u turn?
This was one of my first videos and I didn't do a good job explaining. I use the figure 8 and 360 exercises to help me fine tune my throttle control. These two exercises allowed me to get just enough momentum to keep the motorcycle from falling. Also there are no boundaries when doing these two exercises. I controlled the speed by using very minor throttle movements. This doesn't work with the u turn because the limited space did not allow me to get enough constant momentum to keep the motorcycle from falling. This is what help me to have better throttle control when I first started. Once I got my throttle control good I no longer do these drills. I hope this helps and sorry for the confusion:)
@@ProriderCentralTexasUA-cam ok. i know it's more me than anything but i have a little trouble with hydraulic clutch. thanks for videos.
@@dennytuma what problems are you having? Maybe I can help
@@ProriderCentralTexasUA-cam it just feels like an off on switch either engaged or not engaged
@@dennytuma That is a common complaint. I have a video showing some friction zone drills coming out. You really have to have very little clutch movement once you are in the friction zone. Let me know it the video helps.
I can't get the confidence to turn my head I have a good friction zone
Keep working on it. It not a natural thing to do.
How are those head turns coming along
Hello Sir, Found your channel in order to replace the other channel I was following . I hope you are not sarcastic in your answers when a person asks one. The other guy is an asshole. Anyway good video.
I am glad you found my channel. I am sorry for your experience. I feel blessed to be able to give back to fellow riders so I welcome any questions.
@@ProriderCentralTexasUA-cam Thank you for your reply, funny thing is This other guy is a retired LEO in FL. He knows I am also. Anyway, I'll just be watching you .
@@RafaelJimenez-hz9gu You know how some of us get ha ha