Tik in the course of 5-6 years went from "Hitler was loosely Christian" to "Hitler was Pegan" to "Hitler believed in the Marxian mythology" back to "Hitler was a Norse Pegan"
I'd expect he has read dozens upon dozens of books in the interim and has refined his opinion, but it's not as huge a leap as you think, they are all gnostic worldviews
Norse paganism without the Christian influence is more based around Plato’s concept of Greek reason, im pagan and I was able to resist coming under the influence of the Nazis thanks to Aristotles philosophy who was also pagan
@@TheImperatorKnightI still think the whole Marxism / Socialism thing was a disguise to get the workers on board with the movement and weaken the left (also gnostic) sects. I think the NS really were Theosophists, i.e. Gnostics and as you lay out, as such specifically nordic pagans.
@@Artyur "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision." J.R.R. Tolkien - Europe is more Christian than you think.
I think this is the reason it was so powerful because it wasn't just a political movement, it tapped into a deep spiritual reservoir that was just bursting to get out of the German people
>video doesnt appear in sub feed >randomly appears in recommendations hours later >turns up in subfeed as though it was always there after I watch it Classic youtube.
TIK, you’ve gone from Close Combat III let’s plays, to history, to economics, to politics, and now to theology- it’s been quite entertaining at every stage!
I still remember that 88 you had in Kharkov I believe, that poor commander didn’t stand a chance. I found your channel again years later once you had become TIK. It’s funny, my father had introduced me to CCIII as a child, and I introduced him to you
My dad believes in this stuff too, so Odin wasnt really much a shock to me. Whenever he spoke of hitler saying something, or we talked about his speeches, he always made it a point to mention that 'whenever hitler talks about god or the almighty, it is never the christian god. always odin'.
@@RinaRavyn in all it sounds harmless. I would dare to say that you must’ve benefited in some way by being raised by men with world views so drastically different from the norm
That's typical. In the 43 minute Hitler's Socialism video, they couldn't even be bothered to watch 60 seconds of it before trying to counter the whole video with an argument I countered 60 seconds into the video 🤦♂️
Well they could have fair points about the introduction and it's quality. That they don't isn't proof quick responses are worthless, just that they are quick to respond with bad arguments.
I've been reading A.H.'s book and he mentions several times about how he wanted to keep Volkisch role players out of the movement, commenting negatively about men, 'sporting flowing beards amd indulging in ancient German gestures', and that those with true Volkisch beliefs were of the National Socilaist movement and that the other German Parties only began adopting the Volkisch language and ideas because they were becoming popular, "Our party above all, by the success of its propaganda, has shown the force of the folk idea; so much so that the others, in an effort to gain proselytes, find themselves forced to copy our example, at least in words".
One difficulty with the Word "Völkisch" same with "Postmodernism" is that it stands for Architecture and Design styles. But also for political philosophies... I have a book from 1900 about the Architekture of Farming houses in the Reich. "Völkisch" used in the book completely different. - Also about 1900 historizism was en vogue in Architekture. You find in Scandinavia a lot of building with "Viking Ornaments" from that time 1900s. - That H. Did most probably refer to that trend of the time. Basically the Bourgeoise luxury of historical ornaments and production traditions.
@@ultorm4223 I read the book Tik shows in this video about the Occult influences and the made up nonsense they believed in, and then, reading H's book, he talks about a set of people that put me in mind of Von List et al, I think he called them buffoons, people who had spent forty years talking about folk/volk ideas and achieving nothing. A.H. evidently saw himself as the real deal and wanted nothing to do with them. Obviously I can't say for certain that Tik is correct, but, there does seem to be a ring of truth in the possibility.
Crazy to think that, if you came up with a comic book villian that believed exactly this, it would probably be criticised as comically evil and unrealistic
Isn't it the same with all foreign cultures? I bet North Koreans can't put real America into propaganda because real America is just that incomprehensible (HRT). - Adûnâi
You say that, but the creator of this video loves Ayn Rand, and her objectivist ideology taps every single point you make, to the point that there are LOTS of villains in media that are an expy
I agree. Some national socialists probably believed in SOME of this. But I don't think many national socialists believed in ALL of this. Information is so much more accessible today than it was back then.
A couple of problems with this. 1. Odin was not a God of war, conflict or death, he was a God of divine wisdom. Tyr was the Norse God of war and Hel was the Norse God of death. 2. The swastika was not Odin's symbol. It is a protective rune that was not inherently associated with Odin. 3. The Norse did not believe in world ice theory. They saw the world as one of 9 realms that were situated in the world tree. 4. Hitler always refers to God in the singular where Norse Pagans believe in multiple Gods and refer to them as “The Gods”. The fact Hitler never references multiple Gods or indicates that he believes in or worships multiple Gods is proof that he was not a Norse Pagan.
Recent archaeological evidence suggests a strong connection of the swastika to Odin. This is a point that Tom Rowsell has made too, who I consider a very good authority on this. Also, the Germans have many gods of war-goddesses also (Freyja for instance is associated with battle)-and their metaphysical portfolios are somewhat fluid. Tyr _and_ Odin are certainly gods of war.
@@JackSardonic it really depends on the time and exact version of the god. Odin to the Norse in 900AD is not the same as Woden to the Saxons in 500AD and not the same as Wotan to the Germans in 100BC
Evola was not a neo-Nazi, he was not even a Nazi in the first place. He wrote a book in which he criticizes the Third Reich and fascism (criticism of fascism from the right). Ebola was a traditionalist and he was indeed a pagan but saw the idea of a "master race" as a spiritual concept and not a physical one. He criticized the primitive racism of the Nazis with the measurement of noses and skulls.
The SS even had a dossier on him after the release of El Toro and they are to not give him support in the public eye and his beliefs are not of the party but fringe adjacent
I have realized with in one minute of watching it that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.. He's likely a propagandist and I don't know who's paying him, but he's definitely not an anthropologist
You are 100% correct regarding Baron Julius Evola.There is even a file about him by the SS where he was called "a reactionary Roman" (let's not forget that both Fascists and Nazis considered themselves, despite what the left may say, as revolutionaries).
@@christinathompson112John the evangelist was the only one who went to Patmos to write revelations. I’m not sure how many more books he wrote there but the term “most” is incorrect.
The you haven't read the council , and therefore illiterate mine point , you only know what you know which is a cherry picked tale ....it's really that simple , they detail what they kept what they took out and why , so yeah keep on keeping on oh Christian warrior lmao
Comically superficial and ignorant comparison. The only thing these corny, delusional socialists had in common with SPQR was the Eagle symbol they stole.
It wasn't,they didn't tolerate the iudeo christian god. Also Romans were pragmatic and tolerant. They integrated the existing population in their civilization they didn't sent them in concentration camps. Der Reich was the opposite of Roman Empire, that why it lost.
@Kannot2023 What? if that's your idea of Roman history and the creation of the Roman Catholic empire and its history, then you missed a lot of their persecution of other Christian and Judaism. It was literally created out of de-jooing their country and religion. The Roman empire persecuted joos for hundreds of years.
pretty much this. Using the SPLC as a source already destroys the vid's credibility (not that a bunch of his other sources aren't just as bad), and that's before we get to him trying to claim a made up run system as "legit," or any of the other problems in this video.
I have to disagree on the specificity of Odin. Hitler’s god was the All-Father. There’s a reason the word “Odin” wasn’t used! This All-Father was known to various Indo-European peoples (Greeks, Romans, Indo-Aryans, Iranians) in various forms and having their distinct flavour, and even though they do not all lineally trace back to the same deity - Odin does not descend from the lightning-wielding sky god which was the ancestor of Zeus and Jupiter for instance - they represent the same basic figure of the generic All-Father. The trait that Hitler must have associated with this god would be that of the natural order, from whom the healthy have the vital energy to prosper and self-further but which the ill lack and so do not self-further but terminate. To Hitler, the Aryans were His chosen people, and Hitler himself as His prophet destined to succeed in battle against the Jews. I also think Hitler didn’t believe in One God per se, but also believed in the energies of the entire pantheon which were personified as gods in a way that is not necessarily unreal.
Yes, it seems more likely to me that whatever religion Hitler expressed was just a pastiche of various fragmentary traditions that he could align to his own ideology. That is, Hitler's ideology did not flow from adherence to any pre-existing religion, rather Hitler's assorted icons and catechisms are little pieces of existing religions that he knitted together because they seemed to support the ideology he already had. All of these trinkets of belief superficially connect his own ideas to older ones and seem to lend ancient credence to his ideas, but are really meaningless. Still, as a mine for convenient symbols, Odin would work well for the Nazis. First, it seems to be related to their Germanic heritage, second it glorifies martial prowess, third, modern people have almost no idea what Odin worship really meant to pre-Christian and pre-Roman Germans, because nothing was written down until centuries later. It's very easy to impose whatever ideology you want on something that comes to us in such little fragments. So it's no surprise if in Hitler's big stew pot of ersatz tradition, Odin seems like the strongest spice.
Exactly. This is much more accurate to what Hitler believed in. Tik over simplifies it to one thing. And yes people mistakingly believe that all Pagans believe in a literal pantheon of gods as if they actually exist as living entities, because they are approaching it from a Judeo-Christian lens who believe that their god literally exists in this way. The pagan pantheon of deities are simply symbolic, and embody qualities and principals that are found within nature and humanity, which a narrative is then crafted around for storytelling reasons to teach lessons. So if you venerate or worship a certain god that embodies love or strength for instance, you are focusing on and venerating the principals and values that the particular god is being the embodiment of. So in this case evoking the principal of love or power. And this is what makes the gods real. For it's the principals and values that actually exist and are real, and have real world effects on the psyche of the individual and in the natural world. This is what Hitler was doing if he invoked the spirit of Odin for instance. To elicit strength, motivation, a warrior spirit that this god stood for. As well as being a national cultural unifier. As a people's native gods are an expression of one's own people and culture. It's a direct extension of the people themselves. This is true across the world, but what unifies all of them are the common truths or principles they represent. This is what also gives power to runes or symbols, for its the principals that the symbols reflect that make it powerful that then become "alive" in the psyche of the individual who affirms them. Overall, Hitler's god was his race, nation, and the principals of nature. He was in opposition to the Judaic god or Demiurge which is simply a reflection of the j*wish people themselves. Gnosticism and Greek thought certainly influenced his philosophy and values via the different philosophical and political thinkers he read, but the majority of his spiritual beliefs was ultimately one that was Germanic in origin and reflected the people of his race. You could call it Occult Aryan Mysticism, or variations of Germanic Paganism that Gnostic Christianity influenced. But it was ultimately a rejection of the Abrahamic faiths and an embracing of one's own ancestral religion and values. That's what is key.
TIK, I don’t know if you’ve identified this yet, but your description of the World Ice Theory and the destruction of a greater civilization through an ice meteor event sounds EXACTLY like Graham Hancock’s Youger Dryas Impact Theory. I don’t know if you’ve heard Graham on Joe Rogan, but my god, his theory sounds exactly like the one you described.
Indeed. That's why perhaps there is actually something significant to it. More than the current "reputable" scientific establishment is willing to admit.
Eh, I wouldn't say Hancocks theory is 'the same'. A comet hitting the Earth is something that actual science can prove or disprove, the 'world ice theory' stuff is nuts. It's like having a serious discussion about the Fermi Paradox and what alien biology might be like based on what we know about exoplanets and then sitting it next to the guy living in a trailer park who rants about how the Greys abducted him and probed his ass. Both are discussions about aliens, but one is sane and rational, the other is probably just a meth addict. Neither Alien life nor pre-Sumner civilization discussions get a lot of traction in mainstream academia and unless you Harvard tenured professor Avi Loeb no one gives your research papers the light of day. Hancock is making legitimate points and doing so (mostly) within the realms of science. I'm not going to get into the ayahuasca crap, I firmly disagree with him on that line of thinking but the idea of a cometary impact does make sense. Hitler and his cult of nutcases also did stumble onto provable science mired in their occult rambling nonsense a couple of times. The 'ayran' race that spread from Scandinavia to Northern India was in fact real, it was the Proto-Indo Europeans. There's no way the National Socialists could have known about the genetic links, they pieced it together thro linguistics I think. They actually used this as part of a twisted justification for why everything to the east 'belonged' to Germany, they thought it all belonged to an ancient german empire at some point and that's why the languages had a common root. It's really ironic that the PIE people came from what is now Ukraine, not Northwest Europe and I get a chuckle out how pissed Hitler would be if he found out that Ukraine actually has a claim on Germany as it's colony, not the other way around. Anyway, World Ice Theory is probably just another case of this. The crazy fucks saw a link no one else did before but were too insane to actually apply scientific principles to understand it. These are the same guys that thought Jews secretly controlled both the Capitalist and Communist ideologies, insane delusions were the norm for them.
Which is why many people call it a "racist" theory, they harken it to people like the Nazis. Quite frankly, Graham Hancock waves away and ignores swathes of evidence to get to his conclusions. His "theory" has no reasonable conclusions based off the full actual evidence. He is a grifter who writes science fiction novels and calls it non-fiction to sell books and make TV shows, and it has been very lucrative for him.
In a courtroom David Irving said, “if the soldiers that stormed the Normandy beaches in June 1944 could see England as it is today they wouldn’t have gone 40 yards up that beach”.
"He will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made" JF Kennedy…
Seeing that more myths and false writings (propaganda) existing around him than truth, I would be shocked if that did not happen. He was a figure in the same vein of Caesar, Napoleon, etc., and we all know how much these figures have been mythologized and lied about even to this day.
More ink has been spilled over AH than any other person in history I guess that quote is proven right. That doesn't endorse the ideology the regime or the person in any way
That was quite something to hear to say the least.. especially since i was an avid watcher of his video's back when i was 15 (that being his target audience of course)
Man, I miss the time couple years ago when he was publishing on his blog. Lots of interesting stuff. Probably not very correct, but interesting nevertheless.
He gets several things wrong in the first few minutes. Needs redoing. He is a little naïve about the sources, for obvious reasons they try to mislead on H.
I have a friend from Iceland who's very into their people's old culture which led me to find that the old norse people had the right-hand swastika. This had me puzzled after reading the explanation of nazis using the same style swastika being them traveling and getting inspised by buddhism and not connecting to the much more obvious viking influence.
@@sdrc92126 Blavatski had some influence for sure. I agree with much of TIK's work but Balavatski's Theosophy was just a mish-mash of various beliefs upheld by Christian Mysticism and Hermeticism. It's easy to draw paralells to theosophy because it incorporates a lot of existing beliefs.
@@CelticMysticSeer Yeah, her goal was to unify all of the world's religions, but mostly jain and hindu from what I've read... eg, _Isis Unveiled._ hgey all share much symbolism and iconography
5 years ago, i was a Marxist. I was subscribed to TIK because his videos made the Soviet Union look good. Then he started arguing Hitler was a Socialist and i got triggered and unsubscribed. Fast forward to today, i have grown past Marxism entirely, as you do after you start working, and returned to follow the channel. Soon after i return, TIK drops this video on my Pagan ass. At this point it just feels like TIK is going out of his way to make me like Hitler or something.
"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...." - Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so. - Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
@@SanjaysharmaPillalamarriDefine and prove those actions, then, otherwise his words is better than TIK’s ramblings about connections bordering on sch1zoism
Hitler said National Socialism was scientific - it was Himmler who was much more into the pagan stuff. Hitler used to mock him behind his back about looking for old mythological artefacts.
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale When did Hitler mock Himmler? He used Science to validate some of his ideas but they were mostly founded on the pseudo-scientific mystical beliefs of German Romanticism and the Alchemists of the last century. His critique of materialism whilst seemingly embracing it is a signal that he's working to realise the Idealist notion of being, not-being, both being and not being.
@@geronimothompson3999 "Our worship is exclusively to cultivate the natural- and since it is natural, it is divine will. Our humility is unconditional submission to the divine laws of existence as they are known to man, to them we respectfully entrust ourselves. Our commandment is the resolution to perform our tasks according to these laws.” < how do you interperate this statement in the last paragraph on page 191? I'd like to hear someone elses opinion about this before I contribute my view of the passage.
Whenever TIK posts a video, you can be sure that it will deliver. I was not disappointed, your reputation is well deserved. Love your work man, keep up with great stuff!
Hitler definitely read Hegel as his political attacks on Socialism serve to reinforce German Socialism as superior which is what Marx and Engels wrote about in The German Ideology.
"Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. IT WAS HE WHO OVERCAME THE PURELY UTILITARIAN PHILOSOPHY OF A HEGEL, SO THAT NOTHING REMAINED OF IT. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way." - Adolf Hitler Source: Führerhauptquartier 19. 5. 1944 Mü./Kn p.353-354
@@CelticMysticSeer "Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. It was he who overcame the purely utilitarian philosophy of a Hegel, so that nothing remained of it. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way." Source: Führerhauptquartier 19. 5. 1944 Mü./Kn p.353-354
@@CelticMysticSeer "Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. It was he who overcame the purely utilitarian philosophy of a Hegel, so that nothing remained of it. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way." - AH
@@Art-o9v Check out the essay 'Marx: Beyond The Mystics' on CosmonaughtMag. I was just reading it and It doesn't mention Schopenhauer directly but the point of the essay is highlighting that philosophers who engage in an absolute negation of Hegel's mysticism are reinforcing it by creating the opposition enabling synthesis. Something to consider.
@@CelticMysticSeerSchopenhauer would have laughed at such interpretations. He simply despised Hegel because he thought that Hegel was a charlatan. Schopenhauer is basically a Buddhist without belief in after life.
Calling Odin the god of Death and War is an oversimplification, in fact I would say it's such an insufficient description of the Norse God of All Gods as to be incorrect. He's not like Ares/Mars, [the most despised of the Greek gods along with Eris] Odin is much more like Jupiter or Zeus than the would be to Hades or Ares. ..Tik I think you are chasing a dragon here. I don't mean to sound glib, but I [honestly] think James Lindsay took you under his spell. And I don't think you're looking at the contrary evidence with equal measure. It's a cool hypothesis, don't get me wrong, and it does make one think. But I wouldn't die on that hill.
The Nazi's twisted it into their own perception of what it was before. From their fascist and elitist views, they enforced their version of it. There was the Nazi's version and there is the Norse version. I do not think the Nazi's wanted to go to Valhalla. I believe their twisted view was to return to the dark star in some of the books. Hence the crazy Nazi UFO theories and the Bell project. It just leads to more mysteries. There was a book on the Emerald tablets that mentioned a few lost Atlantean words. One of which was Agwanti which I remember reading the definition was 'Ones ability to perceive what is written without being manipulated by ones own thoughts in the readings'. It was something like that. I can't find that book either but I found the note I jotted down years ago. The word was Agwanti and if you were not ready for the knowledge you could be mislead by it. That's about where I needed a break. I'm not worthy.
Confusion arises because Odin/Woden/Wotan/Wotanaz is a version of a god worshiped by many Germanic peoples for a very very long period of time and so his attributes change over time and with different nations. Wotanaz(an earlier version closer to Roman times from germany) was much more a god of death and war, the wolf god, god of battle frenzy. The Norse Odin is shifted much more to a wise old wizard archetype. The Anglo-Saxon Woden is also not exactly the same as either of them
Hades is not a correct analog to any version of Odin as far as I know. Mars and Jupiter would be the closest. He probably originated from the same god as Ares and Mars I think
@@alexdunphy3716 I think Thor is Ares. ..They don't really translate perfectly like Roman/Greek seem to though...But if someone asked me Odin is the god of ____? What one word would I put there. And to your point, that word in my mind might be "war," but I wouldn't say death, even though there is a direct relation. Odin is not the God of death because Odin himself dies at Ragnarok.
Hitler hated Germanic Paganism, and expressed extreme disappointment with Himmler's obsession with Germanic ancestors "who lived in mud huts". Hitler would have hated being called a Pagan.
You don't read books, obviously. Book Hitler written by a Nazi named Herbert Walther who was born in Oberlahnsteinam Rhein, Germany in April 1922. He was in Hitler Youth in 1933, joined the Waffen SS in 1940 and served on the Eastern , Western and Italian fronts during the war in Leibstandarte and was captured by Americans after he was wounded in Normandy in 1944 and was released in May 1947. Book Hitler page 150 Hitler and the Church Hitler's relationship with organized religion in Germany was tenuous during his first year in power. Since the Nazi Party had always been anti-establishment and anti-religious, Hitler and Goebbles flirted briefly with a revival of paganism based on Nordic gods like Odin and Thor ,but these plans were quickly dropped when public enthusiasm was not apparent. Hitler rushed to make peace with the Churches, especially the Catholic Church. The Concordat with the Papacy was signed in 1933. Page 151 Poster proclaiming Papist-Nazi solidarity quotes the Papal Nuncio, shown with Hitler, as saying " I have not understood you for a long time, But I have worried for a long time. Today I understand you." The poster goes on to say that the public should vote for Hitler at the next election. Outdoor mass is held I'm Munich in 1937 to bless the Nazi Party and the Fuhrer. The Catholics weren't having any Nordic paganism because they already have their own pagan religion. Hitter kissed the hand of the Pope just like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela .
In my humble opinion hetlir was just a politician , he used mythological symbolism as instrument of propaganda , he knew how much the German folks are motivated by these historical and mythological reference , in short sentence i don't think that he believed in the existing of creator or any kind spiritual entity that can be described as a god .
Hitler wrote in his book Mein Kampf, "I will always be a Catholic". It was Himmler in particular that had an obsession with paganism and the occult, Hitler didn't really care about it.
Perhaps he meant by that, that for himself at least, renouncing his Catholic baptism and education was just impractical and counterproductive, seeing how he ruled over a 95% Christian nation. Also he recognized both the strengths and weaknesses of Christianity and found that Catholicism with its two thousand year long history had enough strengths to keep it around, at least for himself.
The antichrist Vatican counterfeit religion known as catholicism is exactly in what Hitler believed and was promoted by. It´s a pagan (luciferian) sun worship cult, thats why he made that statement. The vatican and especially the jesuits do everything they can to destroy all things related to true christianity.
Fair point, but then again Mein Kampf is a book that Hitler intended others to read, and in fact he even pushed some people to read it. He could hardly proclaim himself publicly to be an Odin worshipper in a nation where at the time nearly everyone was an active Christian. If you view Mein Kampf as partially a propaganda piece, then obviously Hitler will call himself a Christian in it. Why are we assuming that Hitler is honest? Also, I think it's undeniable that Hitler hated the Jews. So then, why would Hitler want to worship a more or less Jewish god? After all the old testament is sort of the Jewish bible. Yes I know, not exactly, but it would still be really weird for a Jew-hater to worship a more or less Jewish god.
I suspect he simply lied in his "Mein Kampf" propaganda piece. What, you expect Hitler to be honest? Coming out as an Odin-worshipper in a country where 95% of people are active Christians would mean the death of his political career.
Why would someone who hates Jews worship a Jewish god? After all, the catholic god is the same as the Jewish one; the old testament is more or less the Jewish holy book.
I truly appreciate how thorough you are and how you cite your work. Other history channels don’t even mention where they get an idea and sometimes I think they just make it up.
Why did Hitler say this as a criticism of the English: "The gentlemen (Englishmen) did not go for walks with the Bible, their bible was the Treaty of Versailles." - Adolf
Moreover, ancient Israelites believed in Yahweh, just like modern Jews and Christians, but it would be ridiculous to say that ancient Yahwism, modern Judaism and Christianity are the same religion. Modern Christianity doesn't even resemble much of early Christianity. I doubt NatSoc belief in Odin resembled much of ancient Norse belief in Odin, if you go into the details of it. What kind of "Odin" did they believe in and what religious practices did they have is key.
@os3ujziC Well it’s still different as the jews and christian have an interrupted belief, whereas people stopped believing in norse gods for a thousand years and part of it is reconstructed so it is even worst Also shouldn’t he have believed in germanic paganism ? Well it’s because of his bad theories about the "aryans"
Hitler was a theist at most with pantheistic worldview, he probably was also fond on Nietzsche Übermensch philosophy, he despised Christianity but also ridiculed the return to worship old pagan gods as proposed by Rosenberg and Himmler although he used ethnic pagan symbology as a sort of cultural expression.
People often ignore how much of a cynic the painter was, they just cling to the symbology and make assumptions since they do not understand the mindset behind the use of ancient symbolism.
« On Easter Sunday, April 1, Mussolini had a talk about Hitler with his old friend of forty years, Ottavio Dinale. He recalled a meeting in the library of Hitler's Alpine retreat at Berchtesgaden at which Hitler showed him a row of volumes in red morocco leather by philosophers and German occultists. Of the many philosophers, Hitler admitted he had read fully only Schopenhauer and Nietzsche but had delved deeply into the works of the occult writers of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. "He tried to make me believe he was mystically and scientifically convinced of being possessed not by a demon but by a spirit of prehistoric Aryan mythology," Mussolini said. "In that moment I understood the strange, inexplicable sensation always produced in me by his speeches, which were characterized by a prophetic tone that could not but surprise his listeners." - Benito Mussolini, in Mussolini, written by Ray Moseley, page 211. Quoting Ottavio Dinale, Quarant’anni di colloqui con lui (Milan, Ciarroca,1953, 243-51) « Based on his interaction with Hitler, Walter Schellenberg, one of the most influential SS officers during World War II, testified the following: "Hitler did not believe in a personal god. He believed only in the bond of blood between succeeding generations and in a vague conception of fate or providence. Nor did he believe in a life after death. In this connection he often quoted a sentence from the Edda, that remarkable collection of ancient Icelandic literature, which to him represented the grofour lee Nordic wisdom: All things will pass away, nothing will remain but death and the glory of deeds. » - Walter Schellenberg, The Schellenberg Memoirs, ed. Louis Hagen (London: Andre Deutsch, 1956), 112. « It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols. It's not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified-and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little. A movement like ours mustn't let itself be drawn into metaphysical digressions. It must stick to the spirit of exact science. It's not the Party's function to be a counterfeit for religion. If, in the course of a thousand or two thousand years, science arrives at the necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself. One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretise the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them? The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin-for science is bound to win. I especially wouldn't want our movement to acquire a religious character and institute a form of worship. It would be appalling for me, and I would wish … » * Midday 14th October 1941; p. 61. Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens (3rd ed.).
Funny how often it comes down to rule by a death cult, isn't it? "I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live" - Deuteronomy 30:19
@@CelticMysticSeer"And was raised again" c'mon man, the resurrection of Christ is like one of the core pillars of Christianity, plus Christ is supposed to be the last sacrificial lamb, so no more sacrifices of anything would be done after him, what kind of death cult abolishes sacrifices themselves?
@@drake9634 Jesus commanded that his followers spread the word regardless of the fact they would be crucified and killed, but he abolished sacrifices? You sacrifice your life for salvation in death.
I've been quietly observing this for over a year... but I have to say that TIK is losing his goddamn mind in real time. He went from "Hitler is Marxian" to "Hitler is Pagan". Obviously neither claim is true but to claim that Hitler was literally a Pagan or that his movement was founded on Paganism is completely unsupported in any source. The terms "Providence", "God", and "All-Mighty" were generic terms used since the Enlightenment. You can find other people like say Napoleon or Thomas Jefferson using similar terms. There is nothing to indicate that Hitler ascribed to Paganism or that he was literally a worshipper of Odin. Hitler himself criticized the "Germanic traditionalists" for their strange rituals and their belief that an ancient Germanic race that paled in comparison to the likes of the Romans could be considered role models or creators of civilization. This stuff is easy to find, TIK is just reaching at this point. I'm unsubscribing because frankly this is getting absurd.
Been waiting for the 'Dismanteling Fasicm' video. i have not expected a new video about the National Socialism religion. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
Nice video TIK. What I ultimately took away from this was that H1t3r ultimately operated on what we would call “vibes” today. He followed in the footsteps of Blavatsky and took bits of this tradition and that tradition. He seemed to want to avoid any real scholarly analysis on a historically accurate system of belief.
Hitler's favourite Wagner's piece had nothing to do with Germanic mythology though: Rienzi, a mediaeval Roman monk, whose life Hitler's ended up paralleling.
Yeah he is strongly cherry picking. I mean the Nazis clearly went for the"old German/Aryan" in every way but not always and not with the same energy tik does lol
Hello Tik. In germany the word hail was often used as wishing someone good luck. for example under people in shooting comeptions 'Schuss heil' (=shot hail) was often used. So saying Sieg heil is wishing someone victory. (wishing from whom? I guess we know the answer now, god.)
Another great video and research Tik! By the way, the word "kreuz" (as in part of the word Hakenkreuz) is pronounced not like the diminutive american actor of the mission impossible films, but rather is pronounced more like croytz (not an actual word) - where the eu in kreutz and the oy in croytz sound similar the eu sound as in the word Deutsch. Hope that helps?
tyr is also pronounced like “tear” as in tear in eyes. this is not researched well at all because if it was he would say that hitler and the nazis took norse ideas and changed the meanings to fit their own goals. hitler was 100% atheist, he just used religion as a tool like all the other propaganda.
Obviously TIK does not speak German, That is forgivable. But if a person does not recognize sigma, does that make him an _idiot_ or just a _barbarian_ :)
Anyone that uses the word " dude " is an instant red flag for myself, I know different continents speak differently, but for a majority of people who are not American it's just absolute juvenile language. The name calling and trolling on the net is almost an exclusively American thing, a once great nation and people who have lost their way and the social issues will become even worse.
It's totall emptiness save for the fire and ice that occasionally met in the middle. This resulted in the birth of Ymir... the Primordial Guineapig, from whom all Guineapigs arose.
Hitler wrote several times ridiculing the worship of "Wotan". While Jung held a reverence of Germanic pre-Christianism, it's clear Hitler didn't share his zeal.
You can't just dismiss all the evidence presented in the video by simply saying Hitler ridiculed the worship of Wotan. He did not ridicule the worship of Wotan. He actually said: "It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund." And he is correct. It would have been foolish of him to re-establish the faith of Wotan when 95% of Germans were Christians. He doesn't ridicule the worship of Wotan here, and merely points out it would be foolish to come out as Wotan/Odinists.
@@TheImperatorKnight Thing is, you seem to connect a lot of dots between figures, symbols, and figures where there are notable correlations. Though for every correlation, there exists contrary statements and ideas between these same figures. If we are only looking at the correlations that support the idea of a religious root, but not the ones that contradict it. We are only getting half of the story, a conclusion based on information that confirms a specific desired outcome.
@@TheImperatorKnight He also wrote that "Wotan worship is absurd", as well as condemning Christianity, while Praising Islam. The evidence points more towards Hitler himself being agnostic.
i wouldn’t trust someone who doesnt know how to pronounce tyr correctly to talk about why someone was pagan when the person in question changed the meanings of pagan ideas to justify his genocide.
Long story short, Hitler and some of the Nazis could be viewed as Catholic background persons that found the Jewish component uncomfortable and not suitable enough to suit the wider Aryan-Germanic-centric view. It was Catholicism that made the idea of a wider religion a socio-cultural reality. Before that it was polytheism or syncretic monotheism. This meant Zeus = Horus = Other supreme beings of equivalent status which might or might not be specified.
Perhaps to us Zeus, Horus and other supreme beings are interchangeable. But I'm sure to people who worship those gods, they're very much not interchangeable.
@lightworker2956 depends. I'm a pagan in the historical sense of the word, and my religion has been fine with combining and interchanging gods for millennia.
A great compilation of information here and your overall argument of Hitler being an implicit Odin-worshipper is somewhat convincing, but I must criticise your understanding of the Germanic paganism these occultists drew upon. These topics require more primary sources, steering clear of someone like that amateur McCoy. Tyr (pronounced "tee-yer" and not "ti-er") is not the "antithesis of Odin"; he is often mistakenly made out to be a god of law and order, based on a very tenuous link with a Roman inscription by Germanic mercenaries posted in Britannia, "Mars Thingsus", or "Mars of the Thing (assembly/court)", Mars being the closest equivalent to Tyr/Tiwaz. Tyr was worshipped as a god of war and self-sacrifice (he sacrificed his hand in the jaws of the growing Fenrir, a malevolent entity born of the trickster god Loki). He is the foster-son of Odin, a member of the Aesir rather than the Vanir--like Odin--and there really isn't that much distance between the two theologically. "Tyr" as a word also simply means "god", which is why Odin is sometimes described as "farmatyr", "sigtyr", "hangatyr"; it's simply a style of naming within Eddic verse. Any of the Norse gods could be described as a "tyr", whilst Tyr is named such as a title, much like Frey, whose name isn't actually "Frey" which means "lord", but "Yngvi/Ing". Another example being Freyja, which just means "lady", whose name is actually something like Easter. Tyr's 'actual name' isn't known. So, the point at 37:06 doesn't really make any sense I really would suggest binning The Viking Spirit, its got a lot of outdated info and mistakes in it, and McCoy isn't formally-educated on any of it and it shows!
Tyr is pronounced "toohr", ( long "oo" with Scottish accent , sharp voiced "r ", one syllable). In Scandinavian spelling letter Y marks the same sound as Ü in German. This vowel does not have a exact lexical equivalent in standard English.
You must be familiar with the writings of Savitri Devi in order to understand the significance of the counterclockwise swastika and the character of so many national socialists as men Against Time
I'll prove that wrong right now The Forbidden symbol is a star wheel made of the Big Dipper and rotation is one way in the North and the other way in the south cool made up jargon and lengthy book recommendations though
@@genovayork2468 I skipped Pre-K, kindergarten and first grade, leapfrogging people like you. My previous comment did indeed prove the original commenter wrong by simple logic something someone of your genetic backdrop is unlikely to acquire.
Revalation 1:8 , 17-18. is clear on who "the almighty is". One should test the spirits "they are not all from God. 1 john 4:1 People like "hitler" are example of when one should do this. Big picture snapshot: One man sinned & all men died (Adam), one man died (Jesus) that all men should live. (Hypostatic union) 🙌
LoL, every one knows Hitler himself was a practicing Catholic.😂😂😂 What other people did under the disguise of Democratic Socialism is anybody's guess. 😮
I find this very interesting. I knew about Carl Jung but not Rudolph Jung or his connection. As an American of mostly German descent with some Swedish English and Dutch, I left the desert religion about seven years ago for something closer to my blood. I didn’t realize even notions of cosmology were a part of the movement. Very interesting.
TIK I'm stilll dubious about your chart-like approach to the history of ideas. The influences of ideas are not simply transmitted by one person having read the work of another. Perhaps you could read some of Quentin Skinner's essays on the contextualisation of historical ideas. Still I'm a big fan of the channel- just hoping to better clarify some of the debates we're all involved in.
He is trying to connect influence of Aryan ideology which made people excited since 19-th century with Hegel’s influence. These are two absolutely different ideologies born from different sources. I do see how Hitler was influenced by Aryan ideology ( Indian and ancient European connected religions). Aryan symbolism is obvious. Not exactly sure how Hegelian philosophy was involved here. We need to read Hitlers works directly which most of us didnt.
ODIN is not the god of death in norse Paganism. HEL is. Daughter of Loki. Odin is the god of war, knowledge, suffering, magic, and foresight. Freya is also a goddess of war and fertility.
Norse gods have many titles, both Odin and Freya are gods of death as well, as they both have the power to take chosen dead people into their halls, Valhalla/Folkvanger. I would still not call Odin or Freya gods of death/war primarily tbh. Freya is more related to fertility and Odin is more related to wisdom.
This is truly fascinating. My whole life has felt like struggle, war and death. I was instantly drawn to the swastika and national socialism since I was child learning about WW2 at school. Even though I'm English I knew deep down my allegiance was with Germany and the swastika. Sounds crazy but I have always felt that way and I still dont know why. Perhaps it is a spiritual feeling that can never be explained
Hello TIK! Love your channel! What is your opinion on the Speeches being translated into English and resonating with a lot of people? A LOT! lol hard to deny how much they fit for the times we have been in last decade or so..
There's actually three aspects to religious movement that happened which you're completely missing here. The first is the Christian claim that the original Israelites were actually Aryans, and the Jews coming out of Babylon were not Israelites. Theres writings on this but I forgot from who. Second is the pure occultism which people like himmler and evola ascribed to which is what you covered in this video. The third is a synthesis of the two which claimed that the Christian god and the pagan god was the same, which is what Hitler ascribed to. There was attempts to syncretize the religions during Hitlers reign. It's why he describes himself as a Christian.
They're always trying to copy off of us because we started every civilization. The oldest evidence for those people is in the southern Arabian Peninsula right where you'd expect it to be.
During Hitler’s regime he also tried to replace Protestant and Catholic Christianity with “Positive” Christianity which could be also why he described himself as a Christian, along with what you stated in this comment.
Hitler explicitly described Yahweh and the Old Testament as Jewish. He absolutely did not believe in the Christian God, but to avoid a repeat of the Thirty Years War or Schönerer’s failures declined to hammer this home, preferring to let Christianity slowly die out instead.
Hitler's flag symbol meant "S for SOCIALISM" (a #1 discovery by historian Dr. Rex Curry). The right-handed orientation was chosen because that is the "S" letter orientation. Hitler was SOCIALISM'S top graphic design Artist. Review & compare the symbols for NSV, SA, SS, VW & et cetera under Hitler. Try to describe the NSV, SA, & SS symbols (describe them as if U R telling someone who cannot see the images). Are you a not-see? Don't be a "not see"! In the video, TIK uses terms in an ignorant manner, unaware of Hitler's vocabulary. Hitler DID NOT self-identify as "Nazi" nor "Fascist" nor "Third Reich" and he did not call his symbol a "swastika". TIK reinforces widespread ignorance in people who think Hitler spoke and wrote about his "Nazis" (he didn't). TIK History should at least advise everyone OFTEN that Hitler NEVER called them Nazis. The linguistic ignorance disrupts TIK's (& everyone's) ability to understand Hitler's socialist symbolism. TIK's bad habit is why he was unable to make Dr. Rex Curry's discovery (Hitler's symbol meant "S for SOCIALISM"). TIK's missed opportunity is why he refuses to ever speak of Dr. Curry's big discovery (Hitler's socialist symbolism). In the video TIK does not say "Schutzstaffel" because he is hiding how the SS symbol represented two "S" shapes for the two S-letters in the word "Schutzstaffel" (telling the truth interferes with TIK's obtuse rune trivia. The truth is much simpler than TIK's forced rune stuff).
The title "The God Behind Hitler's Socialism" is not "The God behind Hitler". It isn't strictly about Hitler's personal belief but of the crowd he ran with called the N.S.D.A.P. in its formative years.
The Germanic people are Aryan along with Persians, Indians and others. The nazis officially recognized Indians and Iranians as "Aryan Brothers". The King of Persia who renamed Persia "Iran" meaning "Aryan" was friends with Hitler. And the nazis had an Indian SS unit.
The idea for the name change did not originate from the Shah. According to sources the idea came from an Iranian ambassador to Germany. The notion was to indicate a new start for the nation after the British and Soviet occupation. That was how Persia became Iran.
Not the germanics, they are indo-european, the iranians and indians are indo-iranians, or just aryans, as they called themselves for millenia. The Shah of Iran didn't "rename" the nation, Iran was ALWAYS called Iran, "land of the Aryans", the name "Persia" comes from greek and it's a reference to the homeland of the Achaemenid Dynasty that ruled Iran during ancient times. From greek it went to other european languages and stayed as such until the Shah demanded that other countries changed it to Iran as well, just like türkiye did some years ago.
@@zandrus9191 the iranians always called their nation Iran, meaning land of the aryans, the Shah just renamed the nation in other languages because "persia" is how the greeks called them, not how they called themselves.
5:08 why on earth would that be gnosticism? Why would the Norse make the head-God of their pantheon gnostic? This was an isolated culture on the edge of the world. Why would they shape their beliefs around some small cult thousands of kilometres away? Stop trying to force connections. Just because some ideas are similar doesn't mean they are the same and come from the same source. This is such a basic idea too, understanding the workings of the universe, it's not like the Norse couldn't have come up with it on their own
Anybody interested in a very weird coincidence? Look up Franz von Stuck Die Wilde Jagd. Its a painting from 1889 depicting Odin/Wotan and his wild hunt. Now, to whom does Wotan in the painting have a shocking similarity to? Hint, he was born in 1889.
Odin was not just the god of "death" and "war", but of many aspects of existence. Your interpretation is a christian one, meant to demean and reduce all things pre-christian.
Thank you for this video, which provides a quite surprising point of view. It would be interesting to relate the National Socialist Odinism to Gnosticism.
Odin is traditionally equated with Mercury/Hermes if we are going by interpretatio Romana. And I think that makes the most sense as well, although people ascribe to Odin all sorts of things like war and death, I think that is in error.
From your prior videos, I thought Hitler and Nazism was linked to both gnosticism and dialectical practices? Will you do a video to link the two, hitlers gnosticism and nordic myths? I think you make a good argument for the norse myths. Also, I have been listening to your videos for years. I'm a former Brit now living in the frontiers of USA... spreading information from your videos to whoever will listen. Keep up the good work!
Hello TIK. At 16:50 you put a quote up where Hitler says their is no difference between the organic and inorganic. This sounds very simial to what Giovanni Gentile writes about in his discussions on Actual Idealism; how our thoughts create the world. This would be an interesting link to explore further.
I once visited a church in Essen, Germany, in a suburb that was a major battleground for the Kirchenkampf ("Battle of the Churches") that occured between the mainline Protestant churches on the one side (who were fully on board with the state propaganda, had flags waving in their services and often times preached Hitler as a kind of Saviour figure to the German people) and the underground hardliners on the other side (who basically saw Hitler as an antichrist figure and who were lead by such people as Dietrich Bonhoeffer). There was an usher there, obviously a retired man who spent his free time guiding people around. He saw that the ornaments inside the building had piqued my interest and started to lay out their meaning to me. One of them was a modern art piece of a giant snake trying to eat a dove that hung on top of a wall with a Reichsadler embellished into it, obviously a remnant from that time. The painting was meant to represent the Kirchenkampf. Anyway, he ended up pulling out a binder full with quotes and pictures that he had presumably collected during his lifetime, that layed out pretty much everything you just established in this video... I knew a bit about the Kirchenkampf, as my family was involved in it, but this encounter really opened my eyes. If you have the right sources, it's so clear. And it's good that this information is finally finding its way out there.
I was in prison in North Idaho (for DUI) and there used to be this Odinism "Church" meetings in there. (They had to do this out of law and deference to diverse religions) ...Let's just say there weren't many black guys there. All the most fucked up sociopaths in that place went to that stuff. There was one really nice kid about 19 who ended up getting sucked into it though which was sad because he was actually really bright for his age. Anyway, he used to lend me the books on it, which were kind of like Dungeons and Dragons but they took it seriously. I admit, I do love that old lore, and I love Tolkien as well (Who draws from Norse too in his storytelling). I liked reading about it because I love Mythology. ..But yeah, I was quick to get out of there. ..Anyway. My point, and maybe you don't know because you're British, but Odinism is a big thing in the US prison system. ..But it's good for the prison system becuase it puts almost all your bad eggs into one basket.
@@dannydacheedo1592 I think there is some of that maybe. But it's not a very big group at all. There might be like one or two guys out of every dorm that is into it. ..It's small because so many of the guys really into it just are just so anti social that it doesn't get many people in it. Even in North Idaho's prison's racism isn't a big deal like people think. I think they get into it more for just the counterculture than any beliefs they have. ..And there are just some guys who get into it because...I don't know how else to say it, but they're just dumb. I mean like I couldn't even picturing these guys living productive lives level dumb. ..So it's a mixed group. ..But at the end of the day everyone sits around playing cards together. Black, white Mexican, even those guys. ..I think it's just mostly something for them to do and feel a part of. In there your real enemy is boredom.
For context, in the modern US, both the far left and farther left (the so called far right is just as leftist as the National Socialists) and of course, the aryan movements. What ties all of these various groups together is their romantic notions of "Vikings" and a weird sort of social and economic collectivism. Almost, but not exclusively, race based, these neo-pagan beliefs inform deep hostility and violent behavior--particularly in group.
It is liberalism, even its classical variation (libertarianism in the US) that is center left. While libertarians aren't for equality of outcome, they do ground their ideology in human rights. All individuals, they hold, have these rights, and none more so than others. This is an egalitarian belief. Libertarians do allow for meritocracy and differences in outcome related to property, but that does not make them right wing. The right is defined by natural hierarchy.
Vidar van Herske was never a member of Burzum, as Burzum was always a one-man band (inb4 someone mentions Samoth), commanded by Vikernes. BTW TIK, Varg is pronounced /va:g/
Both Samoth and Euronymous played bass and some guitar parts on Burzum's first album but were never considered band members - Burzum was always a one-man band, with Varg being the its sole member.
I have to wonder if the core leadership held that Odin was the actual god of the universe, or rather the personification of natural forces and laws. Norse mythology becomes a backdrop for the exploration of reality, and of the past domination of the proto-aryan civilization before the prehistoric collapse. This gives them *more* weight to their 'struggle'. Because their faith puts them in a place where they are struggling against the natural forces of the world to become the masters. If Odin was more than a personification of nature, a leader of this prehistory civilization, then Our Failure could envision himself as Odin 2.0. The second coming. Setting the natural order right again. Which Odin did through language, the Runes. And H man himself would also do through his writings, speeches and leadership.
I have seen accounts Heinrich Himmler was very heavily into Norse/Germanic mysticism, as well as biodynamic agriculture. The Austrian painter was portrayed as more cynical.
Tik in the course of 5-6 years went from "Hitler was loosely Christian" to "Hitler was Pegan" to "Hitler believed in the Marxian mythology" back to "Hitler was a Norse Pegan"
Well, it's a mix of Norse mythology and Hegelianism, so him and the Marxists are related.
@@TheImperatorKnight and Hegelianism is inspired by Christianity (as is probably every western ideology in existence)
I'd expect he has read dozens upon dozens of books in the interim and has refined his opinion, but it's not as huge a leap as you think, they are all gnostic worldviews
Norse paganism without the Christian influence is more based around Plato’s concept of Greek reason, im pagan and I was able to resist coming under the influence of the Nazis thanks to Aristotles philosophy who was also pagan
@@TheImperatorKnightI still think the whole Marxism / Socialism thing was a disguise to get the workers on board with the movement and weaken the left (also gnostic) sects. I think the NS really were Theosophists, i.e. Gnostics and as you lay out, as such specifically nordic pagans.
"War is father of all, war is king of all. He makes some gods, others men. He makes some slaves, others free."
-Heraclitus
No.1 comment. 😮
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
@@JH-6g5deep down everyone knows he was a european not a christian.
@@Artyur "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision." J.R.R. Tolkien - Europe is more Christian than you think.
@@JH-6g5He was lying?
I think this is the reason it was so powerful because it wasn't just a political movement, it tapped into a deep spiritual reservoir that was just bursting to get out of the German people
Nietzsche's lament that 'god is dead' opening a hole for a new god?
@@sdrc92126 yes, but not a new god an old one
yes unconsciously but most germans didn't know shit about the pagan stuff
@@I2yantheGreat doesn't really matter. It's in the blood so on an unconscious level it's in there
@@I2yantheGreat "with a buddhist, he/she most likely does not even know what being a buddhist is. "
TIK: *50000 quotes and citations*
Hörbinger: it came to me in a dream.
Dreams are messages from the deep
@@axelhopfinger533 yeah and in dreams i can fly. Guess i was meant to be a bird
@@robinx961 that's not how dreams work but okay
Shame most of his 50000 qores and citations directly disagree with Thik's "arguments".
@@DavidBusiness-wb2jo
Examples include......?
>video doesnt appear in sub feed
>randomly appears in recommendations hours later
>turns up in subfeed as though it was always there after I watch it
Classic youtube.
Correction, SusanTube, not the classic Tube which was great.
Hits harder than Hitlers Dad.
So, I'm not the only one? Feeling like UA-cam is gaslighting me.
@@Arkantos117 same here, I assume that the subject matter essentially shadowbans his channel
TIK, you’ve gone from Close Combat III let’s plays, to history, to economics, to politics, and now to theology- it’s been quite entertaining at every stage!
Yeah, my only regret is not separating the channels and keeping the old videos up... I do miss the gaming days
I still remember that 88 you had in Kharkov I believe, that poor commander didn’t stand a chance. I found your channel again years later once you had become TIK. It’s funny, my father had introduced me to CCIII as a child, and I introduced him to you
The 88 gunner was Heckenberg! Here's a blast from the past ua-cam.com/video/4PCNdB0WDvc/v-deo.html
I think Assassin's Creed is more TIK's lane. Ancient conspiracies, secret religions... we're one step away from ancient aliens.
He served well, that Heckenberg! In all honesty, if you ever made a gaming channel and did say, Panthers in the Fog, I’d love to watch!
My dad believes in this stuff too, so Odin wasnt really much a shock to me.
Whenever he spoke of hitler saying something, or we talked about his speeches, he always made it a point to mention that 'whenever hitler talks about god or the almighty, it is never the christian god. always odin'.
it was never Gott Mit Uns...
It was always ᚹᛟᛏᚨᚾ ᛗᛁᛏ ᚢᚾᛊ
Your dad sounds a little… eccentric
@@ZemanTheMighty man.... you dont know the half of it... he was raised by a man who wrote a book about the earth being hollow.
@@RinaRavyn in all it sounds harmless. I would dare to say that you must’ve benefited in some way by being raised by men with world views so drastically different from the norm
@@ZemanTheMighty you certainly have a point there.
at least i didnt end up a slut, so he did that right xD
People responding in the first 3 minutes an 40minute is posted online, definitely have nothing to say about the video itself 😔
That's typical. In the 43 minute Hitler's Socialism video, they couldn't even be bothered to watch 60 seconds of it before trying to counter the whole video with an argument I countered 60 seconds into the video 🤦♂️
Yea it's the internet. Everyone knows everything about everything. New here?
that is not fair, I am watching at 100x speed!
:)
@@TheImperatorKnightYou should a 43 minute video about...
Ha sorry, couldn't help it.
Well they could have fair points about the introduction and it's quality. That they don't isn't proof quick responses are worthless, just that they are quick to respond with bad arguments.
I've been reading A.H.'s book and he mentions several times about how he wanted to keep Volkisch role players out of the movement, commenting negatively about men, 'sporting flowing beards amd indulging in ancient German gestures', and that those with true Volkisch beliefs were of the National Socilaist movement and that the other German Parties only began adopting the Volkisch language and ideas because they were becoming popular, "Our party above all, by the success of its propaganda, has shown the force of the folk idea; so much so that the others, in an effort to gain proselytes, find themselves forced to copy our example, at least in words".
Haha the old yarns are too good to resist. Christianity is not the easy option!
Ever heard of Scientology?
One difficulty with the Word "Völkisch" same with "Postmodernism" is that it stands for Architecture and Design styles. But also for political philosophies... I have a book from 1900 about the Architekture of Farming houses in the Reich. "Völkisch" used in the book completely different. - Also about 1900 historizism was en vogue in Architekture. You find in Scandinavia a lot of building with "Viking Ornaments" from that time 1900s. - That H. Did most probably refer to that trend of the time. Basically the Bourgeoise luxury of historical ornaments and production traditions.
@@ultorm4223 I read the book Tik shows in this video about the Occult influences and the made up nonsense they believed in, and then, reading H's book, he talks about a set of people that put me in mind of Von List et al, I think he called them buffoons, people who had spent forty years talking about folk/volk ideas and achieving nothing. A.H. evidently saw himself as the real deal and wanted nothing to do with them. Obviously I can't say for certain that Tik is correct, but, there does seem to be a ring of truth in the possibility.
The Ford translation is good.
Crazy to think that, if you came up with a comic book villian that believed exactly this, it would probably be criticised as comically evil and unrealistic
"Fiction has to make sense. Reality doesn't."
Isn't it the same with all foreign cultures? I bet North Koreans can't put real America into propaganda because real America is just that incomprehensible (HRT).
- Adûnâi
That's cause this is bullshit. Hitler was a Catholic.
You say that, but the creator of this video loves Ayn Rand, and her objectivist ideology taps every single point you make, to the point that there are LOTS of villains in media that are an expy
It's honestly very disappointing, he did all of that so he can larp. Millions of people died so a bunch of looneys could larp as "the chosen ones".
Sometimes i think TIK puts more thought into these things than the nazis themselves did back then. Sounds crazy
He is not wrong but clearly cherry picking
KYLE: he's confused.
I agree. Some national socialists probably believed in SOME of this. But I don't think many national socialists believed in ALL of this.
Information is so much more accessible today than it was back then.
guess you can call them the Wotan Clan.
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Lol
You can tell Lovecraft and Hitler were reading the same books.
Because they're both extremely based? True
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Cringe.
@@Web720
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Hitler didnt like usury, or things that went against nature.. Lovecraft was a science foction
@@slynt_Totally Based
A couple of problems with this.
1. Odin was not a God of war, conflict or death, he was a God of divine wisdom. Tyr was the Norse God of war and Hel was the Norse God of death.
2. The swastika was not Odin's symbol. It is a protective rune that was not inherently associated with Odin.
3. The Norse did not believe in world ice theory. They saw the world as one of 9 realms that were situated in the world tree.
4. Hitler always refers to God in the singular where Norse Pagans believe in multiple Gods and refer to them as “The Gods”. The fact Hitler never references multiple Gods or indicates that he believes in or worships multiple Gods is proof that he was not a Norse Pagan.
Supply your data to back up your interjection.
Recent archaeological evidence suggests a strong connection of the swastika to Odin. This is a point that Tom Rowsell has made too, who I consider a very good authority on this.
Also, the Germans have many gods of war-goddesses also (Freyja for instance is associated with battle)-and their metaphysical portfolios are somewhat fluid. Tyr _and_ Odin are certainly gods of war.
It could be more monotheistic? Like how there are sects of Hinduism where they only worship one God.
It is not important what it was "for real". Only thing that matters what Adolf and his happy world tree friends wanted people to believe it was.
@@JackSardonic it really depends on the time and exact version of the god. Odin to the Norse in 900AD is not the same as Woden to the Saxons in 500AD and not the same as Wotan to the Germans in 100BC
Evola was not a neo-Nazi, he was not even a Nazi in the first place. He wrote a book in which he criticizes the Third Reich and fascism (criticism of fascism from the right). Ebola was a traditionalist and he was indeed a pagan but saw the idea of a "master race" as a spiritual concept and not a physical one. He criticized the primitive racism of the Nazis with the measurement of noses and skulls.
The SS even had a dossier on him after the release of El Toro and they are to not give him support in the public eye and his beliefs are not of the party but fringe adjacent
I have realized with in one minute of watching it that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about..
He's likely a propagandist and I don't know who's paying him, but he's definitely not an anthropologist
Damn didn't know evola was so much based
You are 100% correct regarding Baron Julius Evola.There is even a file about him by the SS where he was called "a reactionary Roman" (let's not forget that both Fascists and Nazis considered themselves, despite what the left may say, as revolutionaries).
21:41 DO NOT Go to Euronymous's apartment to sign a contract at night on August 10th 1993
Why
@@icancounto9994 "Let's find out"
@@icancounto9994 worst mistake of my life
@thefrenchareharlequins2743 what is it lol need more context
@@icancounto9994 Short version: Euronymous was planning on k*lling his band mates, he got one and the other got him instead.
14:17 So the orgin of this crackpot World Ice Theory is literally "Source? It came to me in a dream." meme. 😂😂😂
@christinathompson112 Yeah, but not aware of a related meme for that.
Maybe a leftist one, perhaps.
You mean a meme was made about visions in dreams? Shocking! How interesting dude, tell me more
@@OlaftheFlashy ua-cam.com/video/rIHIwKB6eNc/v-deo.htmlsi=T6ylebPFqI9S5Zu2
@@christinathompson112John the evangelist was the only one who went to Patmos to write revelations. I’m not sure how many more books he wrote there but the term “most” is incorrect.
The you haven't read the council , and therefore illiterate mine point , you only know what you know which is a cherry picked tale ....it's really that simple , they detail what they kept what they took out and why , so yeah keep on keeping on oh Christian warrior lmao
"Kampf" is a mix of Battle and Struggle, as is the concept of Jihad.
He is a Muslim
@@yohanneslong1970
Nope.
Nazi-Germany was like the Roman empire, it allowed a 'pantheon' of gods, as long as the emperor and the state were the 'upper god'.
Exactly. Nailed it.
Comically superficial and ignorant comparison. The only thing these corny, delusional socialists had in common with SPQR was the Eagle symbol they stole.
@@michaelruijtenbeek8672 True. I couldn't have said it better myself.
It wasn't,they didn't tolerate the iudeo christian god. Also Romans were pragmatic and tolerant. They integrated the existing population in their civilization they didn't sent them in concentration camps. Der Reich was the opposite of Roman Empire, that why it lost.
@Kannot2023 What? if that's your idea of Roman history and the creation of the Roman Catholic empire and its history, then you missed a lot of their persecution of other Christian and Judaism. It was literally created out of de-jooing their country and religion. The Roman empire persecuted joos for hundreds of years.
I would avoid using the SPLC as a source.
Do NOT look at what Mark Potok had on a sticky note on its wall
@@test-ol9iyall perverts
Oy gevalt!
pretty much this. Using the SPLC as a source already destroys the vid's credibility (not that a bunch of his other sources aren't just as bad), and that's before we get to him trying to claim a made up run system as "legit," or any of the other problems in this video.
Me without having watched the video: It Is OdIn I kNoW iT
Edit: NO WAY
You are so smart 😂
@@lalaboards no I really said it as a joke, I expected the video to be about Gnosticism and not neo-paganism
Lmao
I have to disagree on the specificity of Odin. Hitler’s god was the All-Father. There’s a reason the word “Odin” wasn’t used! This All-Father was known to various Indo-European peoples (Greeks, Romans, Indo-Aryans, Iranians) in various forms and having their distinct flavour, and even though they do not all lineally trace back to the same deity - Odin does not descend from the lightning-wielding sky god which was the ancestor of Zeus and Jupiter for instance - they represent the same basic figure of the generic All-Father. The trait that Hitler must have associated with this god would be that of the natural order, from whom the healthy have the vital energy to prosper and self-further but which the ill lack and so do not self-further but terminate. To Hitler, the Aryans were His chosen people, and Hitler himself as His prophet destined to succeed in battle against the Jews.
I also think Hitler didn’t believe in One God per se, but also believed in the energies of the entire pantheon which were personified as gods in a way that is not necessarily unreal.
Gods as metaphors in a larger political theatre
Yes, it seems more likely to me that whatever religion Hitler expressed was just a pastiche of various fragmentary traditions that he could align to his own ideology. That is, Hitler's ideology did not flow from adherence to any pre-existing religion, rather Hitler's assorted icons and catechisms are little pieces of existing religions that he knitted together because they seemed to support the ideology he already had. All of these trinkets of belief superficially connect his own ideas to older ones and seem to lend ancient credence to his ideas, but are really meaningless. Still, as a mine for convenient symbols, Odin would work well for the Nazis. First, it seems to be related to their Germanic heritage, second it glorifies martial prowess, third, modern people have almost no idea what Odin worship really meant to pre-Christian and pre-Roman Germans, because nothing was written down until centuries later. It's very easy to impose whatever ideology you want on something that comes to us in such little fragments. So it's no surprise if in Hitler's big stew pot of ersatz tradition, Odin seems like the strongest spice.
Whacky
Exactly. This is much more accurate to what Hitler believed in. Tik over simplifies it to one thing. And yes people mistakingly believe that all Pagans believe in a literal pantheon of gods as if they actually exist as living entities, because they are approaching it from a Judeo-Christian lens who believe that their god literally exists in this way. The pagan pantheon of deities are simply symbolic, and embody qualities and principals that are found within nature and humanity, which a narrative is then crafted around for storytelling reasons to teach lessons. So if you venerate or worship a certain god that embodies love or strength for instance, you are focusing on and venerating the principals and values that the particular god is being the embodiment of. So in this case evoking the principal of love or power. And this is what makes the gods real. For it's the principals and values that actually exist and are real, and have real world effects on the psyche of the individual and in the natural world. This is what Hitler was doing if he invoked the spirit of Odin for instance. To elicit strength, motivation, a warrior spirit that this god stood for. As well as being a national cultural unifier. As a people's native gods are an expression of one's own people and culture. It's a direct extension of the people themselves. This is true across the world, but what unifies all of them are the common truths or principles they represent. This is what also gives power to runes or symbols, for its the principals that the symbols reflect that make it powerful that then become "alive" in the psyche of the individual who affirms them. Overall, Hitler's god was his race, nation, and the principals of nature. He was in opposition to the Judaic god or Demiurge which is simply a reflection of the j*wish people themselves. Gnosticism and Greek thought certainly influenced his philosophy and values via the different philosophical and political thinkers he read, but the majority of his spiritual beliefs was ultimately one that was Germanic in origin and reflected the people of his race. You could call it Occult Aryan Mysticism, or variations of Germanic Paganism that Gnostic Christianity influenced. But it was ultimately a rejection of the Abrahamic faiths and an embracing of one's own ancestral religion and values. That's what is key.
@@oxytocin1989 Diespiter is the name you’re thinking of, but it might as well be Satan to the average “american”
Evola was not a nazi...
Correct, he was a traditionalist
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@@barsukascool yes
@@xXWesterlingXx lol i dont even know anything about evola was just testing u or something idk
TIK, I don’t know if you’ve identified this yet, but your description of the World Ice Theory and the destruction of a greater civilization through an ice meteor event sounds EXACTLY like Graham Hancock’s Youger Dryas Impact Theory. I don’t know if you’ve heard Graham on Joe Rogan, but my god, his theory sounds exactly like the one you described.
Indeed. That's why perhaps there is actually something significant to it. More than the current "reputable" scientific establishment is willing to admit.
Eh, I wouldn't say Hancocks theory is 'the same'. A comet hitting the Earth is something that actual science can prove or disprove, the 'world ice theory' stuff is nuts. It's like having a serious discussion about the Fermi Paradox and what alien biology might be like based on what we know about exoplanets and then sitting it next to the guy living in a trailer park who rants about how the Greys abducted him and probed his ass. Both are discussions about aliens, but one is sane and rational, the other is probably just a meth addict.
Neither Alien life nor pre-Sumner civilization discussions get a lot of traction in mainstream academia and unless you Harvard tenured professor Avi Loeb no one gives your research papers the light of day. Hancock is making legitimate points and doing so (mostly) within the realms of science. I'm not going to get into the ayahuasca crap, I firmly disagree with him on that line of thinking but the idea of a cometary impact does make sense.
Hitler and his cult of nutcases also did stumble onto provable science mired in their occult rambling nonsense a couple of times. The 'ayran' race that spread from Scandinavia to Northern India was in fact real, it was the Proto-Indo Europeans. There's no way the National Socialists could have known about the genetic links, they pieced it together thro linguistics I think. They actually used this as part of a twisted justification for why everything to the east 'belonged' to Germany, they thought it all belonged to an ancient german empire at some point and that's why the languages had a common root. It's really ironic that the PIE people came from what is now Ukraine, not Northwest Europe and I get a chuckle out how pissed Hitler would be if he found out that Ukraine actually has a claim on Germany as it's colony, not the other way around.
Anyway, World Ice Theory is probably just another case of this. The crazy fucks saw a link no one else did before but were too insane to actually apply scientific principles to understand it. These are the same guys that thought Jews secretly controlled both the Capitalist and Communist ideologies, insane delusions were the norm for them.
Which is why many people call it a "racist" theory, they harken it to people like the Nazis. Quite frankly, Graham Hancock waves away and ignores swathes of evidence to get to his conclusions. His "theory" has no reasonable conclusions based off the full actual evidence. He is a grifter who writes science fiction novels and calls it non-fiction to sell books and make TV shows, and it has been very lucrative for him.
yeah. there is something to it for sure.
@@jibtibh.9245 Randall Carlson has some great work into this concept and isn't named enough with it.
In a courtroom David Irving said, “if the soldiers that stormed the Normandy beaches in June 1944 could see England as it is today they wouldn’t have gone 40 yards up that beach”.
To the right 👍
"He will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made" JF Kennedy…
Seeing that more myths and false writings (propaganda) existing around him than truth, I would be shocked if that did not happen.
He was a figure in the same vein of Caesar, Napoleon, etc., and we all know how much these figures have been mythologized and lied about even to this day.
Who is he referencing?
More ink has been spilled over AH than any other person in history I guess that quote is proven right. That doesn't endorse the ideology the regime or the person in any way
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Varg Vikerness mentioned in a TIK history video... wasn't expecting that
I was about to say the same but you beat me to it.
Hail Woden
Hail Varg.
That was quite something to hear to say the least.. especially since i was an avid watcher of his video's back when i was 15 (that being his target audience of course)
@@rollingball9536 then you should read Vargsmal, which is Vikernes's "Mein Kampf". There he theorizes that Hitler was actually Fenris the giant wolf
Man, I miss the time couple years ago when he was publishing on his blog. Lots of interesting stuff. Probably not very correct, but interesting nevertheless.
It's almost like they were German people trying to continue being German people in a time of earth-shattering conflict. Weird that. Who knew eh?
Exactly, never forget that Christianity was forced upon them by the edge of the sword. They never really forgot the Gods of their ancestors.
@@capoislamort100
Well, franks were germans themselves, so germans forced germans to convert to christianity.
"We tolerate noone in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian. -A.H
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My day: Instantly better
He gets several things wrong in the first few minutes. Needs redoing. He is a little naïve about the sources, for obvious reasons they try to mislead on H.
I have a friend from Iceland who's very into their people's old culture which led me to find that the old norse people had the right-hand swastika. This had me puzzled after reading the explanation of nazis using the same style swastika being them traveling and getting inspised by buddhism and not connecting to the much more obvious viking influence.
I think Blavatsky had a big influence here. Also, Jain cosmology believes in 6 mile tall giants
What's their take on the fact that the NSDAP adopted their symbols.
@@sdrc92126 Blavatski had some influence for sure. I agree with much of TIK's work but Balavatski's Theosophy was just a mish-mash of various beliefs upheld by Christian Mysticism and Hermeticism. It's easy to draw paralells to theosophy because it incorporates a lot of existing beliefs.
@@CelticMysticSeer Yeah, her goal was to unify all of the world's religions, but mostly jain and hindu from what I've read... eg, _Isis Unveiled._ hgey all share much symbolism and iconography
the swastika in Finland predates the nazis completely i don't know how opponents of TIS's theory would explain that
5 years ago, i was a Marxist.
I was subscribed to TIK because his videos made the Soviet Union look good.
Then he started arguing Hitler was a Socialist and i got triggered and unsubscribed.
Fast forward to today, i have grown past Marxism entirely, as you do after you start working, and returned to follow the channel.
Soon after i return, TIK drops this video on my Pagan ass.
At this point it just feels like TIK is going out of his way to make me like Hitler or something.
I started thinking about the ties to Nazi ideology and Odin because of the “Azov Brigade” and their worship of Odin.
"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."
- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
@ So you’re trying to say Hitler was a Catholic? You do realize he used psychedelic drugs, right? That can contribute to his madness.
@@JH-6g5 we cannot trust his words only his actions
@@SanjaysharmaPillalamarriDefine and Prove those “actions”, then, otherwise his word is more valuable than a schizoid like TIK
@@SanjaysharmaPillalamarriDefine and prove those actions, then, otherwise his words is better than TIK’s ramblings about connections bordering on sch1zoism
Hitler said National Socialism was scientific - it was Himmler who was much more into the pagan stuff. Hitler used to mock him behind his back about looking for old mythological artefacts.
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale When did Hitler mock Himmler? He used Science to validate some of his ideas but they were mostly founded on the pseudo-scientific mystical beliefs of German Romanticism and the Alchemists of the last century. His critique of materialism whilst seemingly embracing it is a signal that he's working to realise the Idealist notion of being, not-being, both being and not being.
In the Carlos videla book he quotes on here Hitler says in page 191 that national socialism is not a sect or movement of worship
@@geronimothompson3999 That's interesting. I'll have to find this.
@@CelticMysticSeer knowing who controls the narrative I take anything I hear about national socialism or Hitler with a grain of salt
@@geronimothompson3999 "Our worship
is exclusively to cultivate the natural- and since it is natural,
it is divine will. Our humility is unconditional submission to
the divine laws of existence as they are known to man, to them
we respectfully entrust ourselves. Our commandment is the
resolution to perform our tasks according to these laws.” < how do you interperate this statement in the last paragraph on page 191? I'd like to hear someone elses opinion about this before I contribute my view of the passage.
Whenever TIK posts a video, you can be sure that it will deliver. I was not disappointed, your reputation is well deserved.
Love your work man, keep up with great stuff!
Hitler definitely read Hegel as his political attacks on Socialism serve to reinforce German Socialism as superior which is what Marx and Engels wrote about in The German Ideology.
"Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. IT WAS HE WHO OVERCAME THE PURELY UTILITARIAN PHILOSOPHY OF A HEGEL, SO THAT NOTHING REMAINED OF IT. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way."
- Adolf Hitler
Source: Führerhauptquartier 19. 5. 1944 Mü./Kn p.353-354
@@CelticMysticSeer "Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. It was he who overcame the purely utilitarian philosophy of a Hegel, so that nothing remained of it. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way."
Source: Führerhauptquartier 19. 5. 1944 Mü./Kn p.353-354
@@CelticMysticSeer "Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, our greatest thinkers, to whom the English, French and Americans can place nothing, absolutely nothing, on a par, will one day stand in the large inner hall of the library in Linz. Kant has the immense merit of having finally overcome scholasticism, which was rooted in the Middle Ages and church dogma. Schopenhauer, to whom we owe a great deal, built on his basic epistemological attitude. It was he who overcame the purely utilitarian philosophy of a Hegel, so that nothing remained of it. I carried the five volumes of Schopenhauer's works around with me in my knapsack throughout the entire world war. I learned a lot from him. Nietzsche then overcame Schopenhauer's pessimism, which for him perhaps resulted not only from his teachings and his system, but also from his subjective feelings and the experiences of his personal life, in a unique way."
- AH
@@Art-o9v Check out the essay 'Marx: Beyond The Mystics' on CosmonaughtMag. I was just reading it and It doesn't mention Schopenhauer directly but the point of the essay is highlighting that philosophers who engage in an absolute negation of Hegel's mysticism are reinforcing it by creating the opposition enabling synthesis. Something to consider.
@@CelticMysticSeerSchopenhauer would have laughed at such interpretations. He simply despised Hegel because he thought that Hegel was a charlatan. Schopenhauer is basically a Buddhist without belief in after life.
Calling Odin the god of Death and War is an oversimplification, in fact I would say it's such an insufficient description of the Norse God of All Gods as to be incorrect. He's not like Ares/Mars, [the most despised of the Greek gods along with Eris] Odin is much more like Jupiter or Zeus than the would be to Hades or Ares. ..Tik I think you are chasing a dragon here. I don't mean to sound glib, but I [honestly] think James Lindsay took you under his spell. And I don't think you're looking at the contrary evidence with equal measure. It's a cool hypothesis, don't get me wrong, and it does make one think. But I wouldn't die on that hill.
The Nazi's twisted it into their own perception of what it was before.
From their fascist and elitist views, they enforced their version of it.
There was the Nazi's version and there is the Norse version.
I do not think the Nazi's wanted to go to Valhalla.
I believe their twisted view was to return to the dark star in some of the books.
Hence the crazy Nazi UFO theories and the Bell project.
It just leads to more mysteries.
There was a book on the Emerald tablets that mentioned a few lost Atlantean words.
One of which was Agwanti which I remember reading the definition was 'Ones ability to perceive what is written without being manipulated by ones own thoughts in the readings'.
It was something like that. I can't find that book either but I found the note I jotted down years ago.
The word was Agwanti and if you were not ready for the knowledge you could be mislead by it.
That's about where I needed a break.
I'm not worthy.
Confusion arises because Odin/Woden/Wotan/Wotanaz is a version of a god worshiped by many Germanic peoples for a very very long period of time and so his attributes change over time and with different nations. Wotanaz(an earlier version closer to Roman times from germany) was much more a god of death and war, the wolf god, god of battle frenzy. The Norse Odin is shifted much more to a wise old wizard archetype. The Anglo-Saxon Woden is also not exactly the same as either of them
Hades is not a correct analog to any version of Odin as far as I know. Mars and Jupiter would be the closest. He probably originated from the same god as Ares and Mars I think
@@alexdunphy3716 I think Thor is Ares. ..They don't really translate perfectly like Roman/Greek seem to though...But if someone asked me Odin is the god of ____? What one word would I put there. And to your point, that word in my mind might be "war," but I wouldn't say death, even though there is a direct relation. Odin is not the God of death because Odin himself dies at Ragnarok.
Hes covering it because this topic gets a lot of views
Hitler hated Germanic Paganism, and expressed extreme disappointment with Himmler's obsession with Germanic ancestors "who lived in mud huts". Hitler would have hated being called a Pagan.
You don't read books, obviously.
Book Hitler written by a Nazi named Herbert Walther who was born in Oberlahnsteinam Rhein, Germany in April 1922. He was in Hitler Youth in 1933, joined the Waffen SS in 1940 and served on the Eastern , Western and Italian fronts during the war in Leibstandarte and was captured by Americans after he was wounded in Normandy in 1944 and was released in May 1947.
Book Hitler page 150 Hitler and the Church
Hitler's relationship with organized religion in Germany was tenuous during his first year in power. Since the Nazi Party had always been anti-establishment and anti-religious, Hitler and Goebbles flirted briefly with a revival of paganism based on Nordic gods like Odin and Thor ,but these plans were quickly dropped when public enthusiasm was not apparent. Hitler rushed to make peace with the Churches, especially the Catholic Church. The Concordat with the Papacy was signed in 1933.
Page 151 Poster proclaiming Papist-Nazi solidarity quotes the Papal Nuncio, shown with Hitler, as saying " I have not understood you for a long time, But I have worried for a long time. Today I understand you." The poster goes on to say that the public should vote for Hitler at the next election.
Outdoor mass is held I'm Munich in 1937 to bless the Nazi Party and the Fuhrer.
The Catholics weren't having any Nordic paganism because they already have their own pagan religion. Hitter kissed the hand of the Pope just like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela .
Hitler was a jobless loser , I’m sure his preen arse would indulge on sludge
Christian cope
Never fails to make no sense
@@amandasimmons147 Your condescending opening remark just nullifies all the rest of if, fuckwad
Because he is a Muslim
In my humble opinion hetlir was just a politician , he used mythological symbolism as instrument of propaganda , he knew how much the German folks are motivated by these historical and mythological reference , in short sentence i don't think that he believed in the existing of creator or any kind spiritual entity that can be described as a god .
Hitler wrote in his book Mein Kampf, "I will always be a Catholic". It was Himmler in particular that had an obsession with paganism and the occult, Hitler didn't really care about it.
Perhaps he meant by that, that for himself at least, renouncing his Catholic baptism and education was just impractical and counterproductive, seeing how he ruled over a 95% Christian nation. Also he recognized both the strengths and weaknesses of Christianity and found that Catholicism with its two thousand year long history had enough strengths to keep it around, at least for himself.
The antichrist Vatican counterfeit religion known as catholicism is exactly in what Hitler believed and was promoted by. It´s a pagan (luciferian) sun worship cult, thats why he made that statement. The vatican and especially the jesuits do everything they can to destroy all things related to true christianity.
Fair point, but then again Mein Kampf is a book that Hitler intended others to read, and in fact he even pushed some people to read it. He could hardly proclaim himself publicly to be an Odin worshipper in a nation where at the time nearly everyone was an active Christian. If you view Mein Kampf as partially a propaganda piece, then obviously Hitler will call himself a Christian in it.
Why are we assuming that Hitler is honest?
Also, I think it's undeniable that Hitler hated the Jews. So then, why would Hitler want to worship a more or less Jewish god? After all the old testament is sort of the Jewish bible. Yes I know, not exactly, but it would still be really weird for a Jew-hater to worship a more or less Jewish god.
I suspect he simply lied in his "Mein Kampf" propaganda piece. What, you expect Hitler to be honest? Coming out as an Odin-worshipper in a country where 95% of people are active Christians would mean the death of his political career.
Why would someone who hates Jews worship a Jewish god? After all, the catholic god is the same as the Jewish one; the old testament is more or less the Jewish holy book.
"Thou shalt not worship their gods, for they would be a snare unto thee..."
Nazis took Christian influences into their religion too, so fast we forget both Hegel and Kant
@@christinathompson112 I'm not sure cultural exchange is what the quote describes.
@@christinathompson112I think the point still stands even if you use the other stories, the point being “Don’t worship the other gods.”
@@christinathompson112 oh I see I thought you were talking about some Old Testament stuff never mind ty.
What’s Isha?
@C_H_Toons 325 sorry dates mixed
I truly appreciate how thorough you are and how you cite your work. Other history channels don’t even mention where they get an idea and sometimes I think they just make it up.
Why did Hitler say this as a criticism of the English: "The gentlemen (Englishmen) did not go for walks with the Bible, their bible was the Treaty of Versailles." - Adolf
You can argue that Hitler believed in Odin implicitly, BUT not explicitly.
Moreover, ancient Israelites believed in Yahweh, just like modern Jews and Christians, but it would be ridiculous to say that ancient Yahwism, modern Judaism and Christianity are the same religion. Modern Christianity doesn't even resemble much of early Christianity. I doubt NatSoc belief in Odin resembled much of ancient Norse belief in Odin, if you go into the details of it. What kind of "Odin" did they believe in and what religious practices did they have is key.
@os3ujziC Well it’s still different as the jews and christian have an interrupted belief, whereas people stopped believing in norse gods for a thousand years and part of it is reconstructed so it is even worst
Also shouldn’t he have believed in germanic paganism ? Well it’s because of his bad theories about the "aryans"
@@me67galaxylifeGood theories, restart.
@@os3ujziCProve that it doesn't. I'll wait.
@lostintranslation1957 yeah, keep waiting, son 👍
Hitler was a theist at most with pantheistic worldview, he probably was also fond on Nietzsche Übermensch philosophy, he despised Christianity but also ridiculed the return to worship old pagan gods as proposed by Rosenberg and Himmler although he used ethnic pagan symbology as a sort of cultural expression.
People often ignore how much of a cynic the painter was, they just cling to the symbology and make assumptions since they do not understand the mindset behind the use of ancient symbolism.
« On Easter Sunday, April 1, Mussolini had a talk about Hitler with his old friend of forty years, Ottavio Dinale. He recalled a meeting in the library of Hitler's Alpine retreat at Berchtesgaden at which Hitler showed him a row of volumes in red morocco leather by philosophers and German occultists. Of the many philosophers, Hitler admitted he had read fully only Schopenhauer and Nietzsche but had delved deeply into the works of the occult writers of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. "He tried to make me believe he was mystically and scientifically convinced of being possessed not by a demon but by a spirit of prehistoric Aryan mythology," Mussolini said. "In that moment I understood the strange, inexplicable sensation always produced in me by his speeches, which were characterized by a prophetic tone that could not but surprise his listeners."
- Benito Mussolini, in Mussolini, written by Ray Moseley, page 211. Quoting Ottavio Dinale, Quarant’anni di colloqui con lui (Milan, Ciarroca,1953, 243-51)
« Based on his interaction with Hitler, Walter Schellenberg, one of the most influential SS officers during World War II, testified the following:
"Hitler did not believe in a personal god. He believed only in the bond of blood between succeeding generations and in a vague conception of fate or providence. Nor did he believe in a life after death. In this connection he often quoted a sentence from the Edda, that remarkable collection of ancient Icelandic literature, which to him represented the grofour lee Nordic wisdom: All things will pass away, nothing will remain but death and the glory of deeds. »
- Walter Schellenberg, The Schellenberg Memoirs, ed. Louis Hagen (London: Andre Deutsch, 1956), 112.
« It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols. It's not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified-and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little. A movement like ours mustn't let itself be drawn into metaphysical digressions. It must stick to the spirit of exact science. It's not the Party's function to be a counterfeit for religion. If, in the course of a thousand or two thousand years, science arrives at the necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself. One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretise the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them? The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin-for science is bound to win. I especially wouldn't want our movement to acquire a religious character and institute a form of worship. It would be appalling for me, and I would wish … »
* Midday 14th October 1941; p. 61.
Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed (2000). Hitler's Table Talk
1941-1944. Trans. N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens (3rd ed.).
@@techpriest6962 He was good. He wanted to promote human evolution by purging dysgenic practices of post enlightenment era.
34:16 Σ is not an E. It's pronounced Sigma and it represents the letter S, just like the rune 𐌔.
Agree.
Sigma? Skibidi.
@@Web720stickin out my gyat for tha rizla
Funny how often it comes down to rule by a death cult, isn't it?
"I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live" - Deuteronomy 30:19
"And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again." Death cult
The Nazis were basically cosplaying the roman empire. Most of their architecture is ripped straight from hellenism.
@@CelticMysticSeer"And was raised again" c'mon man, the resurrection of Christ is like one of the core pillars of Christianity, plus Christ is supposed to be the last sacrificial lamb, so no more sacrifices of anything would be done after him, what kind of death cult abolishes sacrifices themselves?
@@drake9634 It's a dealth cult
@@drake9634 Jesus commanded that his followers spread the word regardless of the fact they would be crucified and killed, but he abolished sacrifices? You sacrifice your life for salvation in death.
I've been quietly observing this for over a year... but I have to say that TIK is losing his goddamn mind in real time. He went from "Hitler is Marxian" to "Hitler is Pagan". Obviously neither claim is true but to claim that Hitler was literally a Pagan or that his movement was founded on Paganism is completely unsupported in any source.
The terms "Providence", "God", and "All-Mighty" were generic terms used since the Enlightenment. You can find other people like say Napoleon or Thomas Jefferson using similar terms. There is nothing to indicate that Hitler ascribed to Paganism or that he was literally a worshipper of Odin.
Hitler himself criticized the "Germanic traditionalists" for their strange rituals and their belief that an ancient Germanic race that paled in comparison to the likes of the Romans could be considered role models or creators of civilization. This stuff is easy to find, TIK is just reaching at this point. I'm unsubscribing because frankly this is getting absurd.
Been waiting for the 'Dismanteling Fasicm' video.
i have not expected a new video about the National Socialism religion.
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
That one's in the pipeline, but I need a bit more time to figure a few things out.
Hi tik I have a few questions for you, can you answer them?@TheImperatorKnight
He talks about this directly in his book. He didn't really believe in paganism as we understand it.
His book is written by Hanfstängel !
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I was not expecting Varg Vikernes to make a cameo in a Tik video 😂
It is not a religion. It is just a cult of ancestors.
In this ideology there was everything, from Germanic pagans to Christians.
Nice video TIK. What I ultimately took away from this was that H1t3r ultimately operated on what we would call “vibes” today. He followed in the footsteps of Blavatsky and took bits of this tradition and that tradition. He seemed to want to avoid any real scholarly analysis on a historically accurate system of belief.
Hitler's favourite Wagner's piece had nothing to do with Germanic mythology though: Rienzi, a mediaeval Roman monk, whose life Hitler's ended up paralleling.
Yeah he is strongly cherry picking. I mean the Nazis clearly went for the"old German/Aryan" in every way but not always and not with the same energy tik does lol
Hello Tik. In germany the word hail was often used as wishing someone good luck. for example under people in shooting comeptions 'Schuss heil' (=shot hail) was often used. So saying Sieg heil is wishing someone victory. (wishing from whom? I guess we know the answer now, god.)
Its no secret the Jesuits & Freemasons put Hitler in power.
Another great video and research Tik! By the way, the word "kreuz" (as in part of the word Hakenkreuz) is pronounced not like the diminutive american actor of the mission impossible films, but rather is pronounced more like croytz (not an actual word) - where the eu in kreutz and the oy in croytz sound similar the eu sound as in the word Deutsch. Hope that helps?
tyr is also pronounced like “tear” as in tear in eyes. this is not researched well at all because if it was he would say that hitler and the nazis took norse ideas and changed the meanings to fit their own goals. hitler was 100% atheist, he just used religion as a tool like all the other propaganda.
Obviously TIK does not speak German, That is forgivable. But if a person does not recognize sigma, does that make him an _idiot_ or just a _barbarian_ :)
Dude, anyone can be a follower of Odin and not be a bigoted, total pos nazi.
God's chosen people can too😏
Hitler is a Muslim pretending to be Odinist
Anyone that uses the word " dude " is an instant red flag for myself, I know different continents speak differently, but for a majority of people who are not American it's just absolute juvenile language. The name calling and trolling on the net is almost an exclusively American thing, a once great nation and people who have lost their way and the social issues will become even worse.
The Realm of Guinea Pig sounds terrifying.
It's totall emptiness save for the fire and ice that occasionally met in the middle. This resulted in the birth of Ymir... the Primordial Guineapig, from whom all Guineapigs arose.
As a German whos opa was in the ss I have to say that this is bollocks.
Maybe himmler. But not hitler.
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Nichts ist wie es scheint!
You've been brainwashed by yaheweh's cult. No way Hitler would worship Yahweh.
Hitler wrote several times ridiculing the worship of "Wotan". While Jung held a reverence of Germanic pre-Christianism, it's clear Hitler didn't share his zeal.
You can't just dismiss all the evidence presented in the video by simply saying Hitler ridiculed the worship of Wotan. He did not ridicule the worship of Wotan. He actually said:
"It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund."
And he is correct. It would have been foolish of him to re-establish the faith of Wotan when 95% of Germans were Christians. He doesn't ridicule the worship of Wotan here, and merely points out it would be foolish to come out as Wotan/Odinists.
@@TheImperatorKnight Thing is, you seem to connect a lot of dots between figures, symbols, and figures where there are notable correlations.
Though for every correlation, there exists contrary statements and ideas between these same figures.
If we are only looking at the correlations that support the idea of a religious root, but not the ones that contradict it. We are only getting half of the story, a conclusion based on information that confirms a specific desired outcome.
@@TheImperatorKnight He also wrote that "Wotan worship is absurd", as well as condemning Christianity, while Praising Islam. The evidence points more towards Hitler himself being agnostic.
i wouldn’t trust someone who doesnt know how to pronounce tyr correctly to talk about why someone was pagan when the person in question changed the meanings of pagan ideas to justify his genocide.
@@mountedpatrolman yes that's the reason my father said you can trust his actions and not his words
Long story short, Hitler and some of the Nazis could be viewed as Catholic background persons that found the Jewish component uncomfortable and not suitable enough to suit the wider Aryan-Germanic-centric view.
It was Catholicism that made the idea of a wider religion a socio-cultural reality.
Before that it was polytheism or syncretic monotheism. This meant Zeus = Horus = Other supreme beings of equivalent status which might or might not be specified.
Perhaps to us Zeus, Horus and other supreme beings are interchangeable. But I'm sure to people who worship those gods, they're very much not interchangeable.
@lightworker2956 depends. I'm a pagan in the historical sense of the word, and my religion has been fine with combining and interchanging gods for millennia.
8:59 Ok, in the cautionary overthinking department, every politician today wages a war on something, a fight against something.
A great compilation of information here and your overall argument of Hitler being an implicit Odin-worshipper is somewhat convincing, but I must criticise your understanding of the Germanic paganism these occultists drew upon. These topics require more primary sources, steering clear of someone like that amateur McCoy.
Tyr (pronounced "tee-yer" and not "ti-er") is not the "antithesis of Odin"; he is often mistakenly made out to be a god of law and order, based on a very tenuous link with a Roman inscription by Germanic mercenaries posted in Britannia, "Mars Thingsus", or "Mars of the Thing (assembly/court)", Mars being the closest equivalent to Tyr/Tiwaz. Tyr was worshipped as a god of war and self-sacrifice (he sacrificed his hand in the jaws of the growing Fenrir, a malevolent entity born of the trickster god Loki). He is the foster-son of Odin, a member of the Aesir rather than the Vanir--like Odin--and there really isn't that much distance between the two theologically.
"Tyr" as a word also simply means "god", which is why Odin is sometimes described as "farmatyr", "sigtyr", "hangatyr"; it's simply a style of naming within Eddic verse. Any of the Norse gods could be described as a "tyr", whilst Tyr is named such as a title, much like Frey, whose name isn't actually "Frey" which means "lord", but "Yngvi/Ing". Another example being Freyja, which just means "lady", whose name is actually something like Easter. Tyr's 'actual name' isn't known. So, the point at 37:06 doesn't really make any sense
I really would suggest binning The Viking Spirit, its got a lot of outdated info and mistakes in it, and McCoy isn't formally-educated on any of it and it shows!
Its no secret the Jesuits & Freemasons put Hitler in power.
Please post some better sources if you have any, I'm sure many are interested and we're all here to learn.
German/Luwian: Tyr/Tiwaz/Odin/Santa
Nonsense.@@mikeoz4803
Tyr is pronounced "toohr", ( long "oo" with Scottish accent , sharp voiced "r ", one syllable). In Scandinavian spelling letter Y marks the same sound as Ü in German. This vowel does not have a exact lexical equivalent in standard English.
You must be familiar with the writings of Savitri Devi in order to understand the significance of the counterclockwise swastika and the character of so many national socialists as men Against Time
I'll prove that wrong right now The Forbidden symbol is a star wheel made of the Big Dipper and rotation is one way in the North and the other way in the south cool made up jargon and lengthy book recommendations though
Savitri's memoirs are a joy to read, ironically her style reminds me of Tolkien's Unfinished Tales. The long defeat.
- Adûnâi
@@forgottenfuryan Kid, go to pre-k.
@@genovayork2468
I skipped Pre-K, kindergarten and first grade, leapfrogging people like you. My previous comment did indeed prove the original commenter wrong by simple logic something someone of your genetic backdrop is unlikely to acquire.
@@forgottenfuryan You skipped them straight to the mud work I see.
Revalation 1:8 , 17-18. is clear on who "the almighty is".
One should test the spirits "they are not all from God. 1 john 4:1
People like "hitler" are example of when one should do this.
Big picture snapshot: One man sinned & all men died (Adam), one man died (Jesus) that all men should live. (Hypostatic union) 🙌
LoL, every one knows Hitler himself was a practicing Catholic.😂😂😂 What other people did under the disguise of Democratic Socialism is anybody's guess. 😮
I find this very interesting. I knew about Carl Jung but not Rudolph Jung or his connection. As an American of mostly German descent with some Swedish English and Dutch, I left the desert religion about seven years ago for something closer to my blood. I didn’t realize even notions of cosmology were a part of the movement. Very interesting.
TIK I'm stilll dubious about your chart-like approach to the history of ideas. The influences of ideas are not simply transmitted by one person having read the work of another. Perhaps you could read some of Quentin Skinner's essays on the contextualisation of historical ideas. Still I'm a big fan of the channel- just hoping to better clarify some of the debates we're all involved in.
He is trying to connect influence of Aryan ideology which made people excited since 19-th century with Hegel’s influence. These are two absolutely different ideologies born from different sources. I do see how Hitler was influenced by Aryan ideology ( Indian and ancient European connected religions). Aryan symbolism is obvious. Not exactly sure how Hegelian philosophy was involved here. We need to read Hitlers works directly which most of us didnt.
By the way, TIK - Bayreuth is pronounced “BYE-ROIT”
ODIN is not the god of death in norse Paganism. HEL is. Daughter of Loki. Odin is the god of war, knowledge, suffering, magic, and foresight. Freya is also a goddess of war and fertility.
Norse gods have many titles, both Odin and Freya are gods of death as well, as they both have the power to take chosen dead people into their halls, Valhalla/Folkvanger. I would still not call Odin or Freya gods of death/war primarily tbh. Freya is more related to fertility and Odin is more related to wisdom.
This is truly fascinating. My whole life has felt like struggle, war and death. I was instantly drawn to the swastika and national socialism since I was child learning about WW2 at school. Even though I'm English I knew deep down my allegiance was with Germany and the swastika. Sounds crazy but I have always felt that way and I still dont know why. Perhaps it is a spiritual feeling that can never be explained
Hello TIK! Love your channel! What is your opinion on the Speeches being translated into English and resonating with a lot of people? A LOT! lol hard to deny how much they fit for the times we have been in last decade or so..
There's actually three aspects to religious movement that happened which you're completely missing here. The first is the Christian claim that the original Israelites were actually Aryans, and the Jews coming out of Babylon were not Israelites. Theres writings on this but I forgot from who. Second is the pure occultism which people like himmler and evola ascribed to which is what you covered in this video. The third is a synthesis of the two which claimed that the Christian god and the pagan god was the same, which is what Hitler ascribed to. There was attempts to syncretize the religions during Hitlers reign. It's why he describes himself as a Christian.
Christians have never claimed the original Israelites were actually Aryans. Ever.
Wouldn't it be too easy to just take people at their word? No, we have to reinterpret their writings to ascribe new interpretations.
😂
They're always trying to copy off of us because we started every civilization. The oldest evidence for those people is in the southern Arabian Peninsula right where you'd expect it to be.
During Hitler’s regime he also tried to replace Protestant and Catholic Christianity with “Positive” Christianity which could be also why he described himself as a Christian, along with what you stated in this comment.
Hitler explicitly described Yahweh and the Old Testament as Jewish. He absolutely did not believe in the Christian God, but to avoid a repeat of the Thirty Years War or Schönerer’s failures declined to hammer this home, preferring to let Christianity slowly die out instead.
Hitler was a fan of "Death and War"?! Colour me surprised!
Hitler's flag symbol meant "S for SOCIALISM" (a #1 discovery by historian Dr. Rex Curry). The right-handed orientation was chosen because that is the "S" letter orientation. Hitler was SOCIALISM'S top graphic design Artist. Review & compare the symbols for NSV, SA, SS, VW & et cetera under Hitler. Try to describe the NSV, SA, & SS symbols (describe them as if U R telling someone who cannot see the images). Are you a not-see? Don't be a "not see"!
In the video, TIK uses terms in an ignorant manner, unaware of Hitler's vocabulary. Hitler DID NOT self-identify as "Nazi" nor "Fascist" nor "Third Reich" and he did not call his symbol a "swastika". TIK reinforces widespread ignorance in people who think Hitler spoke and wrote about his "Nazis" (he didn't). TIK History should at least advise everyone OFTEN that Hitler NEVER called them Nazis. The linguistic ignorance disrupts TIK's (& everyone's) ability to understand Hitler's socialist symbolism. TIK's bad habit is why he was unable to make Dr. Rex Curry's discovery (Hitler's symbol meant "S for SOCIALISM"). TIK's missed opportunity is why he refuses to ever speak of Dr. Curry's big discovery (Hitler's socialist symbolism).
In the video TIK does not say "Schutzstaffel" because he is hiding how the SS symbol represented two "S" shapes for the two S-letters in the word "Schutzstaffel" (telling the truth interferes with TIK's obtuse rune trivia. The truth is much simpler than TIK's forced rune stuff).
3:47 I’ll follow Odin always and forever before any other god or bs.
The title "The God Behind Hitler's Socialism" is not "The God behind Hitler". It isn't strictly about Hitler's personal belief but of the crowd he ran with called the N.S.D.A.P. in its formative years.
The Germanic people are Aryan along with Persians, Indians and others. The nazis officially recognized Indians and Iranians as "Aryan Brothers". The King of Persia who renamed Persia "Iran" meaning "Aryan" was friends with Hitler. And the nazis had an Indian SS unit.
The idea for the name change did not originate from the Shah. According to sources the idea came from an Iranian ambassador to Germany. The notion was to indicate a new start for the nation after the British and Soviet occupation. That was how Persia became Iran.
Do not be mistaken. Any race south of the Mediterranean can no longer be considered such. Especially Indians. Perhaps once in the past, but no longer.
The Aryans originally created their civilizations but over time racemixed themselves to extinction
Not the germanics, they are indo-european, the iranians and indians are indo-iranians, or just aryans, as they called themselves for millenia. The Shah of Iran didn't "rename" the nation, Iran was ALWAYS called Iran, "land of the Aryans", the name "Persia" comes from greek and it's a reference to the homeland of the Achaemenid Dynasty that ruled Iran during ancient times. From greek it went to other european languages and stayed as such until the Shah demanded that other countries changed it to Iran as well, just like türkiye did some years ago.
@@zandrus9191 the iranians always called their nation Iran, meaning land of the aryans, the Shah just renamed the nation in other languages because "persia" is how the greeks called them, not how they called themselves.
5:08 why on earth would that be gnosticism? Why would the Norse make the head-God of their pantheon gnostic? This was an isolated culture on the edge of the world. Why would they shape their beliefs around some small cult thousands of kilometres away? Stop trying to force connections. Just because some ideas are similar doesn't mean they are the same and come from the same source. This is such a basic idea too, understanding the workings of the universe, it's not like the Norse couldn't have come up with it on their own
Anybody interested in a very weird coincidence?
Look up Franz von Stuck Die Wilde Jagd.
Its a painting from 1889 depicting Odin/Wotan and his wild hunt.
Now, to whom does Wotan in the painting have a shocking similarity to?
Hint, he was born in 1889.
Wow!
wow! I knew of this painting, but never noticed this.
Uncanny, he even went with A.H's bunker era look
So well produced and written. Great work as always.
TIK, you mentioned a lot about Hitler's socialism. Are you going to talk about Hitler's Zionism?
Odin was not just the god of "death" and "war", but of many aspects of existence. Your interpretation is a christian one, meant to demean and reduce all things pre-christian.
Thank you for this video, which provides a quite surprising point of view. It would be interesting to relate the National Socialist Odinism to Gnosticism.
Its no secret the Jesuits & Freemasons put Hitler in power.
I think Athena is a better match for Odin than Mars. Odin is all about fighting smart, using knowledge to your advantage in all fields including war
He had artwork of 3 figures from Greek mythology on the front of his desk - including Athena, if memory serves
Odin is traditionally equated with Mercury/Hermes if we are going by interpretatio Romana. And I think that makes the most sense as well, although people ascribe to Odin all sorts of things like war and death, I think that is in error.
From your prior videos, I thought Hitler and Nazism was linked to both gnosticism and dialectical practices? Will you do a video to link the two, hitlers gnosticism and nordic myths? I think you make a good argument for the norse myths. Also, I have been listening to your videos for years. I'm a former Brit now living in the frontiers of USA... spreading information from your videos to whoever will listen. Keep up the good work!
He was also into occultism, and he consulted with occult beings and was advised or guided by them.
Babe, wake up. Tik just posted
Enjoy, we shall!!
It’s just as we all thought from the beginning. Hitler WAS a Madman!
Weird to call your hand babe
@TIKHistory, any chance we could get a PDF of that chart tracing the philosophical origins of NS?
He's posted a .pdf on a couple of his other videos on this topic
Hello TIK. At 16:50 you put a quote up where Hitler says their is no difference between the organic and inorganic. This sounds very simial to what Giovanni Gentile writes about in his discussions on Actual Idealism; how our thoughts create the world.
This would be an interesting link to explore further.
TIK, you've got it all wrong. Hitler worshipped the Great Pumpkin
I once visited a church in Essen, Germany, in a suburb that was a major battleground for the Kirchenkampf ("Battle of the Churches") that occured between the mainline Protestant churches on the one side (who were fully on board with the state propaganda, had flags waving in their services and often times preached Hitler as a kind of Saviour figure to the German people) and the underground hardliners on the other side (who basically saw Hitler as an antichrist figure and who were lead by such people as Dietrich Bonhoeffer).
There was an usher there, obviously a retired man who spent his free time guiding people around. He saw that the ornaments inside the building had piqued my interest and started to lay out their meaning to me. One of them was a modern art piece of a giant snake trying to eat a dove that hung on top of a wall with a Reichsadler embellished into it, obviously a remnant from that time. The painting was meant to represent the Kirchenkampf. Anyway, he ended up pulling out a binder full with quotes and pictures that he had presumably collected during his lifetime, that layed out pretty much everything you just established in this video...
I knew a bit about the Kirchenkampf, as my family was involved in it, but this encounter really opened my eyes. If you have the right sources, it's so clear. And it's good that this information is finally finding its way out there.
Proverbs 8:36 "But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul: All they that hate me love death".
Says the femboy.
Astolfo
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Cringe.
@@Web720 Yes
Funny that you say this with an Astolfo PFP though. xd
I was in prison in North Idaho (for DUI) and there used to be this Odinism "Church" meetings in there. (They had to do this out of law and deference to diverse religions) ...Let's just say there weren't many black guys there. All the most fucked up sociopaths in that place went to that stuff. There was one really nice kid about 19 who ended up getting sucked into it though which was sad because he was actually really bright for his age. Anyway, he used to lend me the books on it, which were kind of like Dungeons and Dragons but they took it seriously. I admit, I do love that old lore, and I love Tolkien as well (Who draws from Norse too in his storytelling). I liked reading about it because I love Mythology. ..But yeah, I was quick to get out of there. ..Anyway. My point, and maybe you don't know because you're British, but Odinism is a big thing in the US prison system. ..But it's good for the prison system becuase it puts almost all your bad eggs into one basket.
Do most people join it simply for protection, but then actually start to believe it?
@@dannydacheedo1592 I think there is some of that maybe. But it's not a very big group at all. There might be like one or two guys out of every dorm that is into it. ..It's small because so many of the guys really into it just are just so anti social that it doesn't get many people in it. Even in North Idaho's prison's racism isn't a big deal like people think. I think they get into it more for just the counterculture than any beliefs they have. ..And there are just some guys who get into it because...I don't know how else to say it, but they're just dumb. I mean like I couldn't even picturing these guys living productive lives level dumb. ..So it's a mixed group. ..But at the end of the day everyone sits around playing cards together. Black, white Mexican, even those guys. ..I think it's just mostly something for them to do and feel a part of. In there your real enemy is boredom.
For context, in the modern US, both the far left and farther left (the so called far right is just as leftist as the National Socialists) and of course, the aryan movements.
What ties all of these various groups together is their romantic notions of "Vikings" and a weird sort of social and economic collectivism. Almost, but not exclusively, race based, these neo-pagan beliefs inform deep hostility and violent behavior--particularly in group.
Not quite. Socialism is right wing not left wing, woke mostly worship Greek pantheism but it's also heavily influenced by Christian Mysticism.
It is liberalism, even its classical variation (libertarianism in the US) that is center left. While libertarians aren't for equality of outcome, they do ground their ideology in human rights. All individuals, they hold, have these rights, and none more so than others. This is an egalitarian belief. Libertarians do allow for meritocracy and differences in outcome related to property, but that does not make them right wing. The right is defined by natural hierarchy.
It's all insanity
@CelticMysticSeer Are you insane or simple? Socialism is peak left wing ideology.
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Okay how is socialism right wing?
Your videos are like an education for the busy person. Much needed.
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Brilliant video. I appreciate that you walk us through your position step by step. Fascinating stuff.
Vidar van Herske was never a member of Burzum, as Burzum was always a one-man band (inb4 someone mentions Samoth), commanded by Vikernes. BTW TIK, Varg is pronounced /va:g/
Exactly. Btw do you know who he is? I can't find anything on google
Both Samoth and Euronymous played bass and some guitar parts on Burzum's first album but were never considered band members - Burzum was always a one-man band, with Varg being the its sole member.
@@addis8228 probably a made-up person by the author of that cringey book
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@@addis8228 He is mentioned on a german wiki page on Varg. He apparently was a co-author of the Filosofem magazine.
I have to wonder if the core leadership held that Odin was the actual god of the universe, or rather the personification of natural forces and laws. Norse mythology becomes a backdrop for the exploration of reality, and of the past domination of the proto-aryan civilization before the prehistoric collapse. This gives them *more* weight to their 'struggle'. Because their faith puts them in a place where they are struggling against the natural forces of the world to become the masters.
If Odin was more than a personification of nature, a leader of this prehistory civilization, then Our Failure could envision himself as Odin 2.0. The second coming. Setting the natural order right again. Which Odin did through language, the Runes. And H man himself would also do through his writings, speeches and leadership.
Law order justice and building of greco Roman renaissance also with collective will and action
I have seen accounts Heinrich Himmler was very heavily into Norse/Germanic mysticism, as well as biodynamic agriculture. The Austrian painter was portrayed as more cynical.