My wife was a sahm in the downtown area of a major city. The number of childcare requests she got were truly incredible. Unfortunately alot of people (especially family) thought that childcare was not a big deal and she should be willing to help out for free/cheap, and she lost 'friends' over it. I feel for the young people trying to find good, affordable reliable childcare...its a weird dynamic out there.
Same thing happened to us, my sister in law was using my wife as a free babysitter. I finally asked for gas money because it was an hour drive and we were working minimum wage at the time. She quit speaking to us. 🤦
I’m a nanny and have been in childcare over 25 years. It’s amazing to me people complain about the cost of childcare. You have to remember the responsibility the nanny has. I’m literally raising your child. I have to meet their physical and emotional needs. I have the responsibility of the most priceless possession you have. You can replace everything in your life, but the people you love. I carry this in my heart everyday. It’s an investment in your child to provide great childcare. PS as a nanny I would still recommend if at all possible one parent be home with their child. They will be in school faster then you think. I love the kids I care for and they love me, but nothing can take the place of a parent.
Nannys are for rich people. My mom used to be a nanny and the families she work for were either lawyers or doctors. Normal people dont need nannys! They need Aunt or Grandma Betty!
I think you are missing the point the point is because of the cost of everything else middle class families are getting to the point where they can no longer afford childcare and keep a roof over their head and food on the table with the basic necessities that's the argument and complaint
My wife and I are paying over 3k per month for two kids in daycare (in NC). Both of us are fortunate enough to make 6-figure each, but still feel the pain. I can’t imagine how tough it is for many other parents who don’t make as much.
Stop whining about the cost of childcare and raise your children yourself. Don’t pass them off to hired help. If you’re not going to raise them, don’t have them.
Same here in the SF Bay Area, cost even more here. Fortunately I make a good income and bought our home and rentals when they were cheap. So my wife is a stay home mom since we got married 17 years ago. For young couples starting now, it is not easy.
It takes compromise and sacrifice. I am a teacher and worked two very full days a week while my husband was in home office on my work days. This functioned well for us and I felt like I had the best of both worlds: a lot of quality time with my child and small contribution to our household income. Of course we had to make some material and budget sacrifices but it was worth it. This was a 'season' and thankfully allowed us to save the funds we now need for private school :)
We are in the DC area and day care costs are unbelievable here. For in home day care we pay $1k a month and for a center is over $500/week. A huge chunk of our pay goes to daycare. The sad part is that the teachers don’t get pay much at all, the centers charge the parents but their teachers usually get minimum wage. Sad.
As a former daycare worker, do everything you possibly can to keep your kids out of daycare. Sell you home, cut back, sell your car. Even the best childcare centers have major issues and if you knew what happened behind closed doors you’d never send your kids to one.
Yup. I'm a nanny and I also substitute in daycares. Especially for kids under 3, I see so many issues. Most places are feeding choke hazard foods like raw carrots and popcorn to kids under 3. The ratios for those younger ages are just bonkers. I've seen a child get smacked and not for hurting another child, but for fidgeting with the tray on the highchair. It was annoying. The child was buckling in so I just took the tray off. The lead teacher put it back and yelled at the child for fidgeting with it and then eventually smacked her for it. It was a 1 year old. No, they can't just learn to stop that at that age. Their learning needs to be focused on walking and talking at that age.
I'm a day care worker too and used to work in an elementary school. I've witnessed children being abused by teachers and parents don't see it. My children stay home with me. I live off my husband's paycheck which is only 18,000 a year. I'd rather be poor then let someone hurt my children.
@@kaydiangel2445 I had a teacher tell me "you can't hit/spank the kids, but here is how you get around it, you tell other kids to hit the kid for you, and don't report the hit." I reported the teacher for this behavior but nothing was ever done.
It's always funny to me when people talk about cheaper options for childcare yet neglect to touch on the safety of the child, and the cleanliness of the environment in which you are planning on putting them in. Whenever you cut costs, one of those two things are always going to come with the cut. Not to mention you will lose more work hours carrying for a sick kid because of a dirty day. Care for an unkept stranger's house.
So true, us parents are just trying to have kids. The government invests money in public schools, why don’t they invest in quality childcare? All we want do to as parents is go to work and know our kids are clean, safe, and engaged. It’s so hard to come by that, unless you go the private daycare center route
Soooo true! I am not making big money BUT we did a tour to end up with our baby getting sick just from a TOUR I'm like yea not 350 a month was amazing but at what cost ya know? I rather do 200 / 300 a week if I know she's safe and clean and learning
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Most women in my family are like that. They planned with savings/investments and lived within means.. Didn't want strangers raising their kids and missing out on important things. My oldest sister was a RN fortunate to work from home handling insurance,patients, and whatnot for a group of doctors. Two of my sisters and seven nieces homeschool. When they are old enough myself or others in family take some of them off their hands for a few days or weeks during summer.
Dave frrquently talks about how wealthy the zip codes around southern Nashville are. Some public schools in that area are better than the private schools, and most importantly...free.
When my wife and I had our first child we weren't making very much money, so if she worked all her income would basically go to daycare. We thought that was dumb to have her work to pay some stranger to look after our kids. So what we did is get different shifts. I worked from 8-5 and when I got home she would work from 6-midnight. It was difficult, but we did what we had to do at the time.
Great session. REALLY appreciate the messaging around options. That is the key that we as parents are not stuck. Life is NOT the same with kids involved, and when they are young as long as the options are all safe, making a few changes (or not if you don't have to!) is all good. Work life will tend to not appreciate all you parents for what you do so let me just say here that you are appreciated! This country needs future leaders contributors artists authors teachers janitors nurses you name it, which are human and not robots. So thank you for raising them and enjoy them while you are at it!
Having a one income household is a good way to combat childcare prices, but it doesn't just happen. My wife and I paid off all our debts, didn't upgrade in house and made the best of the used cars we had that are paid off. Then we were able to do it. Now she can work side hustles/online work to get extra money if we need it. We obviously don't make as much as a 2 income household even with their child care costs.
@@whitneyw.7919 Some people do have salaries or businesses that provide for their families to do those things, even with only one person being the provider.
I knew some friends. Husband worked from 7-3 and wife worked from 4-midnght. They saw each other on weekends and there was an adult at home literally all day long. Also, my buddy said it saved his marriage as they really treasured the time that they got to spend with each other.
I have worked as a nanny. I'm currently substituting at local daycares. I'm up to 5 daycares that I'm subbing at. I'm working on signing up for more. A proper nanny charges more than regular rate to be shared between multiple families. It's usually each family paying 2/3 of their rate per family for two families, but maybe half their rate for each of 3 families. I've seen it work well done with neighbors. One reason why a nanny share is favorable to a daycare is that you can make sure the ratios are kept down below your state minimums. My state allows up to 6 kids under 2 to one caregiver. This ratio is bonkers. My state is all about separating out the ages. I think mixed age childcare is beneficial to everyone. Older kids can help by handing stuff to a caregiver who is working with a smaller child. A proper nanny should know childcare. Even daycares that are higher end, usually the staff do not have a strong background in child development. A lot of the training is focused on setting up "centers" or themed play areas within the daycare.
It's almost like the high childcare prices are a direct result of pushing women away from their old roles as mothers and into their new roles as worker units pursuing careers they don't want...
No. Dont do it! I did it however mentally it was awful. Taking care of your children is one thing. Taking care of multiple children was physically and mentally taxing. I did it for a year and had to stop.
@@stayathomemarine I'm so sorry it was mentally and physically taxing to raise your own children... Sike! That's part of the job description. It's a privilege to be able to stay at home with your children. Maybe if you weren't so self centered you would have enjoyed the time with your kids more.
It's painful to allow someone else care for your kids. Especially when one gets hurt in the process. You think you know people well enough, then something happens. It's best to care for your own children to care and protect them better. Just my experience.
@@reese85 True, kids will get hurt. However, when they are older and can talk, you can at least ask them to explain what happened. When they are infants/toddlers, and they get hurt or injured, you only have the word of the provider to tell you what happened, especially if no cameras caught it. It takes a lot of trust, and sometimes the cost of day care doesn't always equate to good care.
@@todd2324 the cost of anything, doesn’t equate to being better and I completely understand when it comes to infants and that stuff happening! That’s why when I put my daughter in a few yrs ago! It was at a daycare where I knew someone who worked there and can watch over her as much as possible, but at some point. You just gotta hope for the best, cuz we can’t protect them 24/7
I worked for a community action program run daycares and preschools. They offered scholarships and help to lower income families. However, some of their full time staff could not receive a discount and therefore had to send their children to other less satisfactory daycares. They were unable to afford the cost yet " made too much money ". Those that were single and could qualify for the low income were dragged through hoops to do their application which could not be administered by someone they knew or worked with. So, they Scrambled to find someone in the agency - so so sad in both scenarios
Wow wow. I just had to pull my child out of daycare. We were paying $315 a week!!!! I had to leave my job and luckily I found something working from home. And me and my husband make good income. It's crazy and sad at the same time.
It is crazy to think about the number of children that are being raised by hired help (daycare workers, nannies). They say they “love” the children in their care, but a parents love can never be replaced. So glad you are at home with your little ones. 😌
I grew up in the 80s going to daycare after school and every summer. Hated every minute of it. I'm now married and stay home with my kids. I gave up a lucrative job to stay home - my kids are worth more than the money
My sister lives in Boston, and she's going to pay $3k/month for her infant to be in daycare. It's slightly less as the kids get older but not by much. She says she knows a coworker who has THREE kids in the same daycare. How the hell can you afford anything??? Even if one of the parents is a doctor, $9k/month is still not exactly insignificant.
Usually there are sibling discounts. It is what it is. When people say having kids is expensive, they mean the opportunity cost/childcare cost where mom either doesn't work until the last one is in school or you pay for childcare.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
It's so hard! I fully believe that the people taking care of our babies all day need to be paid a great wage because it's such a tough job and I want them to be compensated for that. It's hard to find a balance between affordability and quality and happy childcare workers.
I did the smart thing. Changed jobs to a more flexible company. I can shift my work hours to make it work for my wife and kid. There are a million options to save on child care with pros and cons. You can't have everything.
@@brianparrett114 FYI, when you retire on SSA at 62, each child will get 50% (of full retirement) on top of your SSA and you wife 30% regardless of her age. Find a young woman, who want to be a SAHM.
Thank God I’m a stay at home wife and mother. I get to be with my child 24/7 while my husband works hard to provide. We have our own business too, so my husband has tons of flexibility.
This is what I want to hear about. Me and my wife take our daughter to day care. We have no family to help. That’s 1200 a month. Trying to find someone to come in and do it is more expensive. We are considering a second child but I’m concerned it’s going to be too much of a financial strain. Where is Dave at on this? I want to hear his genius on this one???
You don't need Dave's advice with this question. If you can't afford a second child now, hold off having one until you can afford it. Food for thought, the more kids you have, the more money, time and energy it will take to raise and care for them. I'm speaking from experience. Me and my wife raising five kids.
Is it worth paying hired help $1200 to care for your child? If your child had a choice, who would he/she choose ? Hired help or a parent. I think you know the answer. Adjust your lifestyle so the one income would be enough to provide for your family. Let go of the “wants” and care for your children yourself.
@@lindamoore8850 actually I don’t have an issue with the day care. I think that her being an only child it is good for her. My question was the money. They have all the other answers on here except for that. It’s as necessary as a light bill for many people.
I have a dependent day care account, but it doesn't allow me to use all pre-tax dollars. The IRS limit for a dependent account is $5000 per year. This is less than half the cost of one child in my area!
Both of our schedules are unpredictable (we never known when we are really getting off work). We also go in before daycare’s open. This has hugely affected us putting off having children because we would not have family to help either
Yup - do not expect people to care for your children properly for low wages. These are your kids!!!! Look after them yourselves or pony up. The first five years matter the most.
it’s comments like yours that moms cry in the bathroom feeling guilty over no help for the kids. daycare is a blessing to help your child learn and grow. mothers need rest to be better parents so don’t pretend mothers don’t do enough if they don’t stay with a kid 24/7. grow up
@@BR-nv8bw Where in my comment did I single out mothers. Daycare is a blessing , so pay these people what they are worth.Why would that make a parent feel quilty?
My wife and I have a 1 year old , no child care , she gets to work around 6am till noon-2pm while I'm at home , then I work 4-5, pm to 10at night a couple days then 4-5 till 12-1am a few days a week ...we make sure were off at least one day each week together most of the time its 2 days We like the routine , were around each other a good amount of time as well
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Daycare is expensive. My wife and I paid $2300 a month for childcare in New Jersey (right outside of NYC). We eventually moved to Texas (where everything is way less expensive) and got it down to $1200 a month for Pre-K until she started Kindergarten this year. 👍
As a childless taxpayer in Texas, you can thank me for covering the cost of your "childcare" in the public school system that my taxes go to pay for. It's the largest portion of my property tax bill.
I wish my industry was more flexible but hours are pretty much M-F 9-5. I would like to be able to work evenings or weekends or set my own hours, but really all jobs in my industry are traditional office hours. So daycare it is, until they’re in school!
Our personal beliefs. We didn’t have kids for someone else to raise them. We cut our budget almost in half and my wife stayed home. God gave us our children to raise not the babysitter
We did the same. Moved two hours out of the city to afford to live on one wage. Means we can add children and be excited about it because we don't have to add childcare cost into the budget for each kid
A couple of years ago with both kids in daycare we were out $2200 a month for childcare. It isn't quite as bad now that my son is in regular school and only needs care for a few hours after school.
I knew full time nannies over twenty years ago making good money with a full time car, housing included and vacations with the family. My friend's girlfriend from Australia had more net per month than he did because she had zero expenses. It's expensive!
Is it like being a private chef though were you basically have zero life of your own because your employer pretty much owns you while you work for them?
Why have a child if you are willing to permit someone else raise it? After the cost of child care, it is more cost effective to have one parent be a stay at home parent doing the most difficult job ever!
I’ve always heard about the situation where mothers and parents will shame other mothers or parents for raising their children differently than them, although I’ve never experienced the shame from someone else in person. Particularly around the breastfeeding/bottle feeding ‘debate’ and the childcare ‘debate’…and then I read the comments here and I can see it so plainly. Good grief, what is it with people not supporting other individuals for doing what is best for them and their families. My son goes to daycare while my husband and I work. Am I lousy mom for “paying someone else to raise my child?” Holy smokes, y’all sure do act a certain way behind a screen to make yourself feel better about yourself. I raise my child, my husband does, his teachers whom he loves aids in raising him, his grandparents aids in raising him…but my husband and I lay the foundation for his upbringing and connect with him in the moments we share with him daily. Do not be ashamed by sending your children to daycare or pre-k. I say that for the parents reading these comments who chose daycare. You’re not lesser of a parent than any of the individuals in this comment section who don’t “Pay SomEoNe eLsE tO rAiSe ThEiR ChILd BeCaUsE ThEiR bAbIeS MeAn mOrE tO ThEm ThAn MoNey”….good grief.
Wow, my child care charges $1,408 a month per child. Another one down the street is brand new, but $200 cheaper. Only problem is they can't retain staff.
There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
In my opinion it’s inflation and minimum wage increases. I worked at a daycare in 2015 and made $9 an hour but now minimum wage is $15 in California. What do you think has contributed to the increase?
Supply and demand. The demand outpaces the supply. Why is the supply low? You won't get rich running a daycare and licensing and regulations can be expensive obstacles.
I understand supply & demand. I understand inflation. I don't understand why this particular industry has massive issues in comparison to other industries. Are there fewer people in the daycare industry? Did new regulations reduce how many kids can be monitored per adult? Would love to know the history behind it.
Once the kids are in school, there are a ton of in-school events that take place during the day and special activities kid can sign up for right after school. No one with a full time job will be able to accommodate for it all if any. Most of the kids in my daughter's gifted class have either a sahp or a retired grandparent nearby. And this is for school aged children!
My wife works full time in the summer when the kids are out of school, she basically makes slightly negative money just so we can keep insurance and then goes to part time during school because she makes more money part time than she does working full time and paying for just after school child care
I don't hear anyone arguing for one parent to stay home during the formative years here......if it's 20%.....that's more like 40%+ of the lower wage earner in that equation. So much to gain by taking one earner off the equation. Life gets simpler. Why have kids if you are so determined to house them with someone else? I've seen a Wall Street Mergers and Acquisitions attorney walk away from the job to care for the kids and home.....much props there!
Probably because most individuals don’t earn enough of a single income to support more than one person, which is why it takes both spouses’ incomes with strict budgeting to support a family. Also, when you leave the workforce, it can be VERY difficult to rejoin it. Companies aren’t as likely to consider a candidate who hasn’t been working for a few years
I never understood people having kids for someone else to take care of and raise, not to mention hustling them out of the house and dumping them off somewhere at 7:30 a.m. If you don’t want to be stay. home or can’t afford to, don’t have kids. It’s not fair for them to suffer.
We believe God provided child care. It’s called mom. We sacrificed a ton for mom to stay home. Someone is going to teach your kids. Best if it’s the kids parent to instill your values. It’s definitely very hard but looking back now, wouldn’t change a thing.
I disagree. I think it has to do with lifestyle inflation. Think about it. My grandparents were able to save enough for a down payment on a house in their twenties because the housing prices were cheaper- yes- but also because they had less expenses like WiFi, going out to eat, etc. as well as they bought a tiny fixer upper.
My wife and I moved for a great job, but now we don’t have family to help with daycare. Not that it would help, all of our kids grandparents still work. It’s 2X the price of our mortgage.
@@genxx2724 to point out two issues. People that move won’t have the ability to avoid daycare and the days of grandma being available are gone. I used our own situation as an analogy to point out more broad issues.
@@Ezunit1991 Yes, those things are true. I think it’s sad that women aren’t homemakers and grandmas aren’t available. My grandma took care of me. My other grandma was widowed and ran a business. I’m sad to say I had a much stronger bond with the the grandma who was home. I learned important things from my working, grandma, though, and it’s largely due to her lessons about saving and investing that I have achieved FI.
@@genxx2724 same actually. To be clear, I’m ok if women don’t wish to be homemakers, or if a man wants that roll. I do, however, wish it was more of an option rather than forcing people to make ends meet.
If we had paid maternity leave for at least the 1st year of life then it would alleviate some of those expenses. Only undustrialized nation that doesn't provide this.
As a single mom, its hard to find daycare, especially since my child has autism. I don't have the option of staying home but get paid enough that i cannot get any assistance
That's why you plan for children. We waited for six years after we were married before having kids. We were no longer broke and were better situated financially. We also used in-home daycare - much cheaper than daycare centers and nannies.
@@lindamoore8850 Of course not. I said it was cheaper than a daycare center. She had three of her own kids, our two, and one other. Her husband was a cop. She didn't have to make a ton of money.
Only have one vehicle, one parent stay home. For our family, I would be working for the privilege of a second vehicle to get to work - after we look at car insurance, gas and childcare. It’s simple math for our family
It’s so sad that so many moms have to work in our society. We wouldn’t have so many kids that Go bad if more moms stayed home . But the all mighty dollar Wins out.
Many if not most are single parents. There's also retirement to think about; moms will have an impoverished old age if they don't work. And, for the past fifty or sixty years, we've been educating girls. If we really think they all should be housewives there's no sense in educating them. If we send girls through school, the expectation logically would be that they would use it.
@Reese 45% of all kids in the US are born to single mothers. Add in the fact that parenthood tends to trigger a drop in marital satisfaction and increased marital conflict.....divorce is common and the two times it is most likely are just after having kids and then after the kids are grown. So yeah, nearly half of all mothers are single at the get-go, and many more become single not too long after, you end up with a lot of single parent households.
What fairy world did you come from? Both my parents always worked longs hours and commuted over an hour away. From first grade they told me what to do to survive gave me a watch told me this is what time you walk to the bus stop what time the bus should get there make sure to lock the door and gave me lunch when they remembered. This may be hard to believe by such a soft present generation and previous ones but some people raise they’re children to be men early on.
Ummmm... childcare involves a lot of work so the prices make sense and those daycare workers barely make anything. It really sucks but having kids is a LOT of work and outsourcing any of that work is often costly
Pay your relative or friend and fill out the tax forms. Make sure they have housing, transportation, healthcare and retirement. Multi generational home is nice.
Smh daycare is more than my rent!! How do you choose between paying rent or daycare??? I’m finally on state assistance but what about people who don’t qualify??
Just went back to work after taking a year off for maternity leave and I’m paying $2250/mo for childcare with two children. It’s 20% of our income and we are counting down the days until our older one starts kindergarten next year.
I am currently pregnant. Hubby and I are thinking about this. We do not have friends or family around to help. In a traditional daycare it will take half of my income. Hubby works a hybrid schedule. I thought of doing part time some where else, but o do love my work. My work is not part time capable. I would moved departments entirely, and work Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Or a part time nanny if I can find a hybrid/remote gig. It is though.
@@reese85 that's a good suggestion. I will do some research, but hubby and I both work full time and we have dual income, it would just be half of my income. I don't know if it would be any better based on income.
@@okiterukagetsu median household income (two people working) is 63k in TX. The median house price is 342k in TX, median rent is 910 bucks. Assuming one person works that’s less than 40k a year for a family. Good luck.
Sometimes the mother/father decides not to work because the he/she would use his/her entire income on childcare if it does not cut into the other parent's budget
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
This is the problem of Modern women. Instead stay home taking care of the kids, they prefer pay for someone to do that. They dont want to low their cost of living, they want to buy that expensive shoes, and now, the kid is "the problem". Very SAD! Day care/os nany is a middle class fetish.
@@annkrull9894 Something to think about before having kids. That’s what the home schooling families tell me. Nobody learned nothing from 2008 and other events, history books(or The History Channel),and other people mistakes. Inflation is nothing new and on going thing. Ask anyone that store food and see the slightly smaller cans/containers every few years with the same of slightly higher prices. I have a stocked pantry/deep freezer and been to the grocery store twice this year . No increased utilities where I live and not a lot of energy consumption in my home. I don’t have too big of home with wasted spaces to heat and cool. Took some of that money and invested in oil/gas and power companies for obvious reasons and let them pay my utility bills with dividends.
I will never understand married women that willingly abandon their children all day and have another woman raise them. I guess we all have what we value and sad that children are so undervalued these days.
They have been brainwashed by the American culture. "Being a mom isn't as glamorous as working in an office. " Change your lifestyle if you can't make it on one salary.
@@Slam- He/she asked why you have them. Your answer make it you are forced and/or it’s mandatory to have kids so you work and have no time for them. Must not have been planned and you had no choice.
@@Slam- You responded. I'm not either but it has always been a reality. Still happening and even gotten worse. It's going on all around you. Nobody learns from other people mistakes. So the question still applies.
Yo! Ya better do that if she doesn’t want to stay at home until they go to pre school or maybe kindergarten. Between you and her whoever makes less money should stay at home , believe its not worth it . Ya sit with her and ask for her opinion and if she doesn’t agree with ya just tell her straight I will stay at home with our kids. Besides you know you can work over the weekends that will make you eligible for health insurance depending on the state where you live while she works weekdays . Good luck bro it’s very hard for modern women to stay at home but no hard feelings just calm down and talk to your woman . My sister who was Director of nursing at large facility left her high paying job to take care of her kids until they joined kindergarten but she was doing freelancing jobs at home .
If only there were some way to have one parent at home without making both parents work in order to pay the bills in this nation. Oh well, probably an impossibility with the profit margins for most major employers so razor thin.
There are options, u just have to find it like mom can work part time while dad is working full until the child is ready to go to school, then the mom can go full time. Another one is one of the parents need to work nightshift while the other one can work during the day so they can take care of their children.
You’re not the victims just take care of your own damn kid. Nobody asked you to fuck to have them so nobody should take care of them besides you. And if you want other people to take care of your screaming crying, nagging shitting kid then pay.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Problem recognized, solutions offered. What more did you expect? Them to say we should wait for someone else to fix the issue systemically? This show’s always going to offer what you can do rather than waiting on some policy that’ll magically fix everything.
I waking making good money but I took a local gov job that pay less but I get out at 3pm with enough time to pickup my kids from school to save on that expense.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15 Tithe of 740 Retirement of 1500 Then regular bills like food , utilities, Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing.. so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs.. yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Who knew all you had to do was pull a random nanny off the street to care for your child during the most important developmental stage of their lives. Sheesh never thought of that!
We’re in a top school district in our state but we will not put our kids in public school. What is happening is truly scary with the lgbtq agenda and specifically the trans agenda. We’re now on the catholic school route and if necessary we will homeschool. I’ve been a SAHM so far so we haven’t done any childcare before
My wife was a sahm in the downtown area of a major city. The number of childcare requests she got were truly incredible. Unfortunately alot of people (especially family) thought that childcare was not a big deal and she should be willing to help out for free/cheap, and she lost 'friends' over it. I feel for the young people trying to find good, affordable reliable childcare...its a weird dynamic out there.
FYI they weren’t friends they were trying to use her.
that'as honestly awful. SAHM is her JOB. That's like telling your friend who's a doctor that he should provide you with a free surgery.
Same thing happened to us, my sister in law was using my wife as a free babysitter. I finally asked for gas money because it was an hour drive and we were working minimum wage at the time. She quit speaking to us. 🤦
There childcare places that’s income base and theres places that offer free childcare or pre k
This happened to one of my friends that was a SAHM. She lost A LOT of friends…
I’m a nanny and have been in childcare over 25 years. It’s amazing to me people complain about the cost of childcare. You have to remember the responsibility the nanny has. I’m literally raising your child. I have to meet their physical and emotional needs. I have the responsibility of the most priceless possession you have. You can replace everything in your life, but the people you love. I carry this in my heart everyday. It’s an investment in your child to provide great childcare. PS as a nanny I would still recommend if at all possible one parent be home with their child. They will be in school faster then you think. I love the kids I care for and they love me, but nothing can take the place of a parent.
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Nannys are for rich people. My mom used to be a nanny and the families she work for were either lawyers or doctors. Normal people dont need nannys! They need Aunt or Grandma Betty!
@@jo4285 What normal people, and even most rich people, refer to as a nanny is actually just a babysitter.
I think you are missing the point the point is because of the cost of everything else middle class families are getting to the point where they can no longer afford childcare and keep a roof over their head and food on the table with the basic necessities that's the argument and complaint
🎤 enough said. Thank you ❤
My wife and I are paying over 3k per month for two kids in daycare (in NC). Both of us are fortunate enough to make 6-figure each, but still feel the pain. I can’t imagine how tough it is for many other parents who don’t make as much.
Stop whining about the cost of childcare and raise your children yourself. Don’t pass them off to hired help. If you’re not going to raise them, don’t have them.
Same here in the SF Bay Area, cost even more here. Fortunately I make a good income and bought our home and rentals when they were cheap. So my wife is a stay home mom since we got married 17 years ago. For young couples starting now, it is not easy.
@@lindamoore8850 you do realize some people do not have the skills needed to raise children, right?
@@octaviosalinas4269 if someone doesn’t have the skills to raise children, then that person shouldn’t be having children.
@@lindamoore8850 most ignorant comment I've seen on the internet today 👏👏👏
It takes compromise and sacrifice. I am a teacher and worked two very full days a week while my husband was in home office on my work days. This functioned well for us and I felt like I had the best of both worlds: a lot of quality time with my child and small contribution to our household income. Of course we had to make some material and budget sacrifices but it was worth it. This was a 'season' and thankfully allowed us to save the funds we now need for private school :)
We are in the DC area and day care costs are unbelievable here. For in home day care we pay $1k a month and for a center is over $500/week. A huge chunk of our pay goes to daycare. The sad part is that the teachers don’t get pay much at all, the centers charge the parents but their teachers usually get minimum wage. Sad.
All about choices.
As a former daycare worker, do everything you possibly can to keep your kids out of daycare. Sell you home, cut back, sell your car. Even the best childcare centers have major issues and if you knew what happened behind closed doors you’d never send your kids to one.
Yup. I'm a nanny and I also substitute in daycares. Especially for kids under 3, I see so many issues. Most places are feeding choke hazard foods like raw carrots and popcorn to kids under 3. The ratios for those younger ages are just bonkers. I've seen a child get smacked and not for hurting another child, but for fidgeting with the tray on the highchair. It was annoying. The child was buckling in so I just took the tray off. The lead teacher put it back and yelled at the child for fidgeting with it and then eventually smacked her for it. It was a 1 year old. No, they can't just learn to stop that at that age. Their learning needs to be focused on walking and talking at that age.
I agree. I work in HR for some daycare centers. I would never send my son there.
I'm a day care worker too and used to work in an elementary school. I've witnessed children being abused by teachers and parents don't see it. My children stay home with me. I live off my husband's paycheck which is only 18,000 a year. I'd rather be poor then let someone hurt my children.
@@kaydiangel2445 I had a teacher tell me "you can't hit/spank the kids, but here is how you get around it, you tell other kids to hit the kid for you, and don't report the hit." I reported the teacher for this behavior but nothing was ever done.
It's always funny to me when people talk about cheaper options for childcare yet neglect to touch on the safety of the child, and the cleanliness of the environment in which you are planning on putting them in. Whenever you cut costs, one of those two things are always going to come with the cut. Not to mention you will lose more work hours carrying for a sick kid because of a dirty day. Care for an unkept stranger's house.
So true, us parents are just trying to have kids. The government invests money in public schools, why don’t they invest in quality childcare? All we want do to as parents is go to work and know our kids are clean, safe, and engaged. It’s so hard to come by that, unless you go the private daycare center route
Soooo true! I am not making big money BUT we did a tour to end up with our baby getting sick just from a TOUR I'm like yea not 350 a month was amazing but at what cost ya know? I rather do 200 / 300 a week if I know she's safe and clean and learning
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
The cost of childcare made me a stay at home parent. I'd rather raise my kid than pay someone else to.
Most women in my family are like that. They planned with savings/investments and lived within means.. Didn't want strangers raising their kids and missing out on important things.
My oldest sister was a RN fortunate to work from home handling insurance,patients, and whatnot for a group of doctors.
Two of my sisters and seven nieces homeschool.
When they are old enough myself or others in family take some of them off their hands for a few days or weeks during summer.
don't have kids problem solved! lol
@@King_TuTT That's another solution! Lol.
@@King_TuTT yeah why procreate at all? Let's extinct ourselves
@@King_TuTT yeah. That solves everything and honestly you're better off.
Just knowing the Ramsey’s I’m surprised that Rachel’s kids are in public school. They must have a good one where she lives
Dave frrquently talks about how wealthy the zip codes around southern Nashville are. Some public schools in that area are better than the private schools, and most importantly...free.
Dave has done videos on private school stating how it's a waste of money and how all his kids went to public school.
yes, however she will live in a very expensive area.
Right ! They seem out of touch
@@roolyfe How are they out of touch by sending their kids to public school?
When my wife and I had our first child we weren't making very much money, so if she worked all her income would basically go to daycare. We thought that was dumb to have her work to pay some stranger to look after our kids. So what we did is get different shifts. I worked from 8-5 and when I got home she would work from 6-midnight. It was difficult, but we did what we had to do at the time.
Where are your kids now? Don’t say school cuz your letting a complete stranger look over your kid!
I’m working part time for this reason
That must’ve been so hard, seeing your spouse only on the weekends.
Great session. REALLY appreciate the messaging around options. That is the key that we as parents are not stuck. Life is NOT the same with kids involved, and when they are young as long as the options are all safe, making a few changes (or not if you don't have to!) is all good. Work life will tend to not appreciate all you parents for what you do so let me just say here that you are appreciated! This country needs future leaders contributors artists authors teachers janitors nurses you name it, which are human and not robots. So thank you for raising them and enjoy them while you are at it!
Having a one income household is a good way to combat childcare prices, but it doesn't just happen. My wife and I paid off all our debts, didn't upgrade in house and made the best of the used cars we had that are paid off. Then we were able to do it. Now she can work side hustles/online work to get extra money if we need it. We obviously don't make as much as a 2 income household even with their child care costs.
Yah, also rarely take vacations, don't save much for retirement, and don't send your kids to college.
@@whitneyw.7919 Some people do have salaries or businesses that provide for their families to do those things, even with only one person being the provider.
How much does a 2 income household make?
Work two different shifts. We did it and avoided childcare
We do this as well. Its hard but it means either me or my husband is always there for our kids
I knew some friends. Husband worked from 7-3 and wife worked from 4-midnght. They saw each other on weekends and there was an adult at home literally all day long. Also, my buddy said it saved his marriage as they really treasured the time that they got to spend with each other.
I wish I had this option but hubby doesn't do kid stuff.
@@marieabner Your husband should be helping with his own kids!
@@marieabner that's pretty much unacceptable as far as a partnership goes.
I have worked as a nanny. I'm currently substituting at local daycares. I'm up to 5 daycares that I'm subbing at. I'm working on signing up for more.
A proper nanny charges more than regular rate to be shared between multiple families. It's usually each family paying 2/3 of their rate per family for two families, but maybe half their rate for each of 3 families. I've seen it work well done with neighbors. One reason why a nanny share is favorable to a daycare is that you can make sure the ratios are kept down below your state minimums. My state allows up to 6 kids under 2 to one caregiver. This ratio is bonkers. My state is all about separating out the ages. I think mixed age childcare is beneficial to everyone. Older kids can help by handing stuff to a caregiver who is working with a smaller child. A proper nanny should know childcare. Even daycares that are higher end, usually the staff do not have a strong background in child development. A lot of the training is focused on setting up "centers" or themed play areas within the daycare.
Not against it at all, but women wanting to work or career women has made the childcare industry a very lucrative business.
Ppl having kids in general did that, smh
@@reese85 people were having kids back in the day and there weren’t nearly as many daycares.
@@theDawsonEffect seriously yo? There’s more of everything now, not just daycares
Always blaming women 🙄
@@reese85 Nope, people are having fewer kids now than they did 50 years ago.
A different option is stay home with your kid(s) and be a daycare provider in your home.
It's almost like the high childcare prices are a direct result of pushing women away from their old roles as mothers and into their new roles as worker units pursuing careers they don't want...
Completely agree.
Exactly 💯
No. Dont do it! I did it however mentally it was awful. Taking care of your children is one thing. Taking care of multiple children was physically and mentally taxing. I did it for a year and had to stop.
@@stayathomemarine I'm so sorry it was mentally and physically taxing to raise your own children... Sike! That's part of the job description. It's a privilege to be able to stay at home with your children. Maybe if you weren't so self centered you would have enjoyed the time with your kids more.
It's painful to allow someone else care for your kids. Especially when one gets hurt in the process. You think you know people well enough, then something happens. It's best to care for your own children to care and protect them better. Just my experience.
Get hurt how? Cuz I expect my kids to hurt every now and then cuz there kids
@@reese85 True, kids will get hurt. However, when they are older and can talk, you can at least ask them to explain what happened. When they are infants/toddlers, and they get hurt or injured, you only have the word of the provider to tell you what happened, especially if no cameras caught it. It takes a lot of trust, and sometimes the cost of day care doesn't always equate to good care.
@@todd2324 the cost of anything, doesn’t equate to being better and I completely understand when it comes to infants and that stuff happening! That’s why when I put my daughter in a few yrs ago! It was at a daycare where I knew someone who worked there and can watch over her as much as possible, but at some point. You just gotta hope for the best, cuz we can’t protect them 24/7
I worked for a community action program run daycares and preschools. They offered scholarships and help to lower income families. However, some of their full time staff could not receive a discount and therefore had to send their children to other less satisfactory daycares. They were unable to afford the cost yet " made too much money ".
Those that were single and could qualify for the low income were dragged through hoops to do their application which could not be administered by someone they knew or worked with. So, they Scrambled to find someone in the agency - so so sad in both scenarios
Daycare is daycare, preschool is still daycare
I am currently in the same situation. Make too much money to qualify for assistance but too little money to actually afford daycare.
Wow wow. I just had to pull my child out of daycare. We were paying $315 a week!!!! I had to leave my job and luckily I found something working from home. And me and my husband make good income. It's crazy and sad at the same time.
It is crazy to think about the number of children that are being raised by hired help (daycare workers, nannies). They say they “love” the children in their care, but a parents love can never be replaced. So glad you are at home with your little ones. 😌
I grew up in the 80s going to daycare after school and every summer. Hated every minute of it. I'm now married and stay home with my kids. I gave up a lucrative job to stay home - my kids are worth more than the money
You have to make at least 3x daycare for it to be worth it. Otherwise better to stay at home. Ours is $277 per week.
It's crazy. I was paying 315 and yup I had to take a job working from home.
My sister lives in Boston, and she's going to pay $3k/month for her infant to be in daycare. It's slightly less as the kids get older but not by much. She says she knows a coworker who has THREE kids in the same daycare. How the hell can you afford anything??? Even if one of the parents is a doctor, $9k/month is still not exactly insignificant.
Usually there are sibling discounts. It is what it is. When people say having kids is expensive, they mean the opportunity cost/childcare cost where mom either doesn't work until the last one is in school or you pay for childcare.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
@@keithredsox36 Their advice is "you'll make it work" and they assume daycare costs like $500 a month or something crazy cheap
It's so hard! I fully believe that the people taking care of our babies all day need to be paid a great wage because it's such a tough job and I want them to be compensated for that. It's hard to find a balance between affordability and quality and happy childcare workers.
All it takes is planning.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 What do you mean by that?
@@Liveloud4Him
Family planning.
Child care is so expensive. I have a toddler and I’m paying 20k yearly in Northern California. Having kids are expensive nowadays!
It’s expensive for you.
All about choices.
No, living in Commiefornia is expensive
I did the smart thing. Changed jobs to a more flexible company. I can shift my work hours to make it work for my wife and kid. There are a million options to save on child care with pros and cons. You can't have everything.
Easiest way to save on childcare is not have any children.
@@brianparrett114 My wife and I had children in retirement.
Two Stay at Home parents, ~$85K/yr in pensions
@@aolvaar8792 guess that's always an option, especially since I'll be retiring in my early 50s.
@@brianparrett114 FYI, when you retire on SSA at 62, each child will get 50% (of full retirement) on top of your SSA and you wife 30% regardless of her age.
Find a young woman, who want to be a SAHM.
Thank God I’m a stay at home wife and mother. I get to be with my child 24/7 while my husband works hard to provide. We have our own business too, so my husband has tons of flexibility.
Just work opposite shifts. You might have to take a lower paying job, but it's better than giving most of your check to daycare.
This is what I want to hear about. Me and my wife take our daughter to day care. We have no family to help. That’s 1200 a month. Trying to find someone to come in and do it is more expensive. We are considering a second child but I’m concerned it’s going to be too much of a financial strain. Where is Dave at on this? I want to hear his genius on this one???
May I ask in what state you live?
You don't need Dave's advice with this question. If you can't afford a second child now, hold off having one until you can afford it.
Food for thought, the more kids you have, the more money, time and energy it will take to raise and care for them. I'm speaking from experience. Me and my wife raising five kids.
Is it worth paying hired help $1200 to care for your child? If your child had a choice, who would he/she choose ? Hired help or a parent. I think you know the answer. Adjust your lifestyle so the one income would be enough to provide for your family. Let go of the “wants” and care for your children yourself.
@@lindamoore8850 it depends on the kid! My kid would rather go to daycare/pre k to be other kids
@@lindamoore8850 actually I don’t have an issue with the day care. I think that her being an only child it is good for her. My question was the money. They have all the other answers on here except for that. It’s as necessary as a light bill for many people.
I have a dependent day care account, but it doesn't allow me to use all pre-tax dollars. The IRS limit for a dependent account is $5000 per year. This is less than half the cost of one child in my area!
Pre-tax means you’re not paying the tax you should, which means everyone else is subsidizing you.
Both of our schedules are unpredictable (we never known when we are really getting off work). We also go in before daycare’s open. This has hugely affected us putting off having children because we would not have family to help either
Yup - do not expect people to care for your children properly for low wages. These are your kids!!!! Look after them yourselves or pony up. The first five years matter the most.
it’s comments like yours that moms cry in the bathroom feeling guilty over no help for the kids. daycare is a blessing to help your child learn and grow. mothers need rest to be better parents so don’t pretend mothers don’t do enough if they don’t stay with a kid 24/7. grow up
@@BR-nv8bw Where in my comment did I single out mothers. Daycare is a blessing , so pay these people what they are worth.Why would that make a parent feel quilty?
Lol you're probably barren
@Colleen Jones it’s 2300 month here in Ohio
My wife and I have a 1 year old , no child care , she gets to work around 6am till noon-2pm while I'm at home , then I work 4-5, pm to 10at night a couple days then 4-5 till 12-1am a few days a week ...we make sure were off at least one day each week together most of the time its 2 days
We like the routine , were around each other a good amount of time as well
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Daycare is expensive. My wife and I paid $2300 a month for childcare in New Jersey (right outside of NYC). We eventually moved to Texas (where everything is way less expensive) and got it down to $1200 a month for Pre-K until she started Kindergarten this year. 👍
Childcare is more expensive the younger the kid
You did the right thing for your family.
Yikes, it's insane.
As a childless taxpayer in Texas, you can thank me for covering the cost of your "childcare" in the public school system that my taxes go to pay for. It's the largest portion of my property tax bill.
@@brianparrett114 I’m sure he works and contribute to that as well yo! Like dumb comment
I wish my industry was more flexible but hours are pretty much M-F 9-5. I would like to be able to work evenings or weekends or set my own hours, but really all jobs in my industry are traditional office hours. So daycare it is, until they’re in school!
Our personal beliefs. We didn’t have kids for someone else to raise them. We cut our budget almost in half and my wife stayed home. God gave us our children to raise not the babysitter
We did the same. Moved two hours out of the city to afford to live on one wage. Means we can add children and be excited about it because we don't have to add childcare cost into the budget for each kid
Most parents don't have their children’s best interests in mind.
That’s what’s so wrong with our system, it’s forces kids and families in poverty.
Amen!!! Agree 100. We did the same and don’t regret it. And when school time came we chose homeschooling and don’t regret it either. God provides!!!!
A couple of years ago with both kids in daycare we were out $2200 a month for childcare. It isn't quite as bad now that my son is in regular school and only needs care for a few hours after school.
Yeah sounds abt right :/
it makes me so sad that in America there is very little maternity leave
Depends on where you work.
But you need childcare for more than a few weeks/months.
If children had a choice, would they want to be in the arms of hired help or a parent ? I think we all know the answer.
All about choices.
@@itsablessingbeinganamerica1401 12 weeks is hardly anything
I knew full time nannies over twenty years ago making good money with a full time car, housing included and vacations with the family. My friend's girlfriend from Australia had more net per month than he did because she had zero expenses. It's expensive!
Is it like being a private chef though were you basically have zero life of your own because your employer pretty much owns you while you work for them?
@@brianparrett114 She didn't have zero life and free at nights and weekends with an amazing set up.
A nanny working a job like that usually has coursework and experience behind them.
Get the snip. Get the tubes tied. Life can be fulfilling without kids. Debate me in the comments.
Why have a child if you are willing to permit someone else raise it? After the cost of child care, it is more cost effective to have one parent be a stay at home parent doing the most difficult job ever!
Exactly, Nancy. They're delusional.
I’ve always heard about the situation where mothers and parents will shame other mothers or parents for raising their children differently than them, although I’ve never experienced the shame from someone else in person. Particularly around the breastfeeding/bottle feeding ‘debate’ and the childcare ‘debate’…and then I read the comments here and I can see it so plainly. Good grief, what is it with people not supporting other individuals for doing what is best for them and their families. My son goes to daycare while my husband and I work. Am I lousy mom for “paying someone else to raise my child?” Holy smokes, y’all sure do act a certain way behind a screen to make yourself feel better about yourself. I raise my child, my husband does, his teachers whom he loves aids in raising him, his grandparents aids in raising him…but my husband and I lay the foundation for his upbringing and connect with him in the moments we share with him daily. Do not be ashamed by sending your children to daycare or pre-k. I say that for the parents reading these comments who chose daycare. You’re not lesser of a parent than any of the individuals in this comment section who don’t “Pay SomEoNe eLsE tO rAiSe ThEiR ChILd BeCaUsE ThEiR bAbIeS MeAn mOrE tO ThEm ThAn MoNey”….good grief.
Wow, my child care charges $1,408 a month per child. Another one down the street is brand new, but $200 cheaper. Only problem is they can't retain staff.
They probably don't pay much and/or allow one worker or so to create a toxic environment.
There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Great advice from these two wonderful mothers! Very timely and informative. Great work, keep it up!
How do you know they are wonderful mothers? Do you live in their house? 🤣😂
Rachel didn’t real say much here. Shout out the other host though
Why has childcare gone up so much over the years? What's the history behind it? This was an issue well before the pandemic.
In my opinion it’s inflation and minimum wage increases. I worked at a daycare in 2015 and made $9 an hour but now minimum wage is $15 in California. What do you think has contributed to the increase?
Supply and demand. The demand outpaces the supply. Why is the supply low? You won't get rich running a daycare and licensing and regulations can be expensive obstacles.
It is incredibly expensive to operate a child care center.
I understand supply & demand. I understand inflation. I don't understand why this particular industry has massive issues in comparison to other industries. Are there fewer people in the daycare industry? Did new regulations reduce how many kids can be monitored per adult? Would love to know the history behind it.
Good quality childcare should be compensated for appropriately.
Once the kids are in school, there are a ton of in-school events that take place during the day and special activities kid can sign up for right after school. No one with a full time job will be able to accommodate for it all if any. Most of the kids in my daughter's gifted class have either a sahp or a retired grandparent nearby. And this is for school aged children!
My wife works full time in the summer when the kids are out of school, she basically makes slightly negative money just so we can keep insurance and then goes to part time during school because she makes more money part time than she does working full time and paying for just after school child care
Why is she working at all ? Do you work?
@@lindamoore8850 I work 60-70 hours a week and travel seasonally but my job doesn’t provide health insurance
@@theblakeslees7065 what do you do, that doesn’t provide health insurance
@@lindamoore8850 nothing wrong with her working
It always been expensive to have kids. The parent needs to make enough to pay childcare costs, or can be a daycare provider and get paid staying home.
Or have less kids?
My wife and I had children in retirement.
Two Stay at Home parents, ~$85K/yr in pensions.
I don't hear anyone arguing for one parent to stay home during the formative years here......if it's 20%.....that's more like 40%+ of the lower wage earner in that equation. So much to gain by taking one earner off the equation. Life gets simpler. Why have kids if you are so determined to house them with someone else? I've seen a Wall Street Mergers and Acquisitions attorney walk away from the job to care for the kids and home.....much props there!
Probably because most individuals don’t earn enough of a single income to support more than one person, which is why it takes both spouses’ incomes with strict budgeting to support a family.
Also, when you leave the workforce, it can be VERY difficult to rejoin it. Companies aren’t as likely to consider a candidate who hasn’t been working for a few years
I never understood people having kids for someone else to take care of and raise, not to mention hustling them out of the house and dumping them off somewhere at 7:30 a.m. If you don’t want to be stay. home or can’t afford to, don’t have kids. It’s not fair for them to suffer.
@@genxx2724 everyone isn’t designed to be a stay at home parent and some kids would rather not be under their parents all day long!
@@genxx2724 I would suffer more being in the same house all day long, just around my mother or father.
because if those of us with a career, who dont make much right out of college, put off having kids then idiocracy the movie becomes a reality.
The fact that some daycares cost more than a yearly tuition at Harvard shows that childcare rates have gotten absolutely out of control
Exaggerations are out of control as well
@@sobeliever1638 you’re out of control
We believe God provided child care. It’s called mom. We sacrificed a ton for mom to stay home. Someone is going to teach your kids. Best if it’s the kids parent to instill your values. It’s definitely very hard but looking back now, wouldn’t change a thing.
And this is why birthrates are at the lowest they've ever been in history.
Agreed
I disagree. I think it has to do with lifestyle inflation. Think about it. My grandparents were able to save enough for a down payment on a house in their twenties because the housing prices were cheaper- yes- but also because they had less expenses like WiFi, going out to eat, etc. as well as they bought a tiny fixer upper.
My wife and I moved for a great job, but now we don’t have family to help with daycare. Not that it would help, all of our kids grandparents still work.
It’s 2X the price of our mortgage.
What's your mortgage and how much do you and your wife make together.
Whether you moved or not, your family was not able to take care of your kids. So I’m not sure what your meaning is.
@@genxx2724 to point out two issues. People that move won’t have the ability to avoid daycare and the days of grandma being available are gone.
I used our own situation as an analogy to point out more broad issues.
@@Ezunit1991 Yes, those things are true. I think it’s sad that women aren’t homemakers and grandmas aren’t available. My grandma took care of me. My other grandma was widowed and ran a business. I’m sad to say I had a much stronger bond with the the grandma who was home. I learned important things from my working, grandma, though, and it’s largely due to her lessons about saving and investing that I have achieved FI.
@@genxx2724 same actually. To be clear, I’m ok if women don’t wish to be homemakers, or if a man wants that roll. I do, however, wish it was more of an option rather than forcing people to make ends meet.
There's cost associated with child care. People don't work for free. And then you have overhead.
If we had paid maternity leave for at least the 1st year of life then it would alleviate some of those expenses. Only undustrialized nation that doesn't provide this.
@@andidede3653 Absolutely. And, the PTO holiday- vacation days in the states is a joke.
@@andidede3653 No it won't. You still have child care after that. It will only help with the first year.
How sad. Mamas, please stay home & care for your children. They are a gift from God to you and precious.
Love the advice from these amazing ladies and mothers!
This is why I don’t have kids😂 In Aliso Viejo CA daycare is $1900 and I can’t even remember if it’s per month or every week lol
As a single mom, its hard to find daycare, especially since my child has autism. I don't have the option of staying home but get paid enough that i cannot get any assistance
My state has a program to give parents money to hire someone who must be over 18. I do this part time and it's on the books, direct deposit pay.
Remember licensing makes thinks expensive
In my state, the license was a couple hu.dred each year.
boomers will say stop buying avocado toast and coffee to afford child care
Boomers were probably raised by a stay at home parent so... 🤷♂️
You shouldn't be buying that rubbish under any circumstances.
That's why you plan for children. We waited for six years after we were married before having kids. We were no longer broke and were better situated financially. We also used in-home daycare - much cheaper than daycare centers and nannies.
In home child care is still hired help.
@@lindamoore8850 No - we took the kids to her home. The only other kids she had were her own kids and one other. Much cheaper than daycare centers.
@@jimroscovius she cared for your children free of charge?
@@lindamoore8850 Of course not. I said it was cheaper than a daycare center. She had three of her own kids, our two, and one other. Her husband was a cop. She didn't have to make a ton of money.
@@jimroscovius you paid her therefore she was hired help. Children spend more time with hired help than they do with their own parents.
Only have one vehicle, one parent stay home. For our family, I would be working for the privilege of a second vehicle to get to work - after we look at car insurance, gas and childcare. It’s simple math for our family
It’s so sad that so many moms have to work in our society. We wouldn’t have so many kids that
Go bad if more moms stayed home . But the all mighty dollar
Wins out.
You do realize that people need to work to make money in life? 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Many if not most are single parents.
There's also retirement to think about; moms will have an impoverished old age if they don't work.
And, for the past fifty or sixty years, we've been educating girls. If we really think they all should be housewives there's no sense in educating them. If we send girls through school, the expectation logically would be that they would use it.
@@christinebutler7630 you sound crazy if you think many or most moms working are single mothers smh
@Reese 45% of all kids in the US are born to single mothers. Add in the fact that parenthood tends to trigger a drop in marital satisfaction and increased marital conflict.....divorce is common and the two times it is most likely are just after having kids and then after the kids are grown. So yeah, nearly half of all mothers are single at the get-go, and many more become single not too long after, you end up with a lot of single parent households.
What fairy world did you come from? Both my parents always worked longs hours and commuted over an hour away. From first grade they told me what to do to survive gave me a watch told me this is what time you walk to the bus stop what time the bus should get there make sure to lock the door and gave me lunch when they remembered. This may be hard to believe by such a soft present generation and previous ones but some people raise they’re children to be men early on.
Many women might consider staying home and spending time raising children rather than becoming an inexpensive cog in the machine
I know a family where the wife's salary just covers the cost of childcare. Why not just stay at home?
@@linuxsurfer2002 insurance, career motivations/job satisfaction, logistics for some examples. Idk. Personal choice.
@@jacobmonti453 so read, "might consider."
@@jacobmonti453 I wonder sometimes how many people would choose to say home of they didn't have to worry about health insurance. 🤔
Many, if not most, are single parents.
And, if we were really expecting moms to stay home, why would we go to the expense of educating them?
Raise your kids don’t let society raise them
You can raise your kids to grow up and be the best kids ever and they grow up and be the complete opposite
@@reese85 true. But as parents we can only try our best to not let society corrupt them
Ummmm... childcare involves a lot of work so the prices make sense and those daycare workers barely make anything. It really sucks but having kids is a LOT of work and outsourcing any of that work is often costly
Pay your relative or friend and fill out the tax forms. Make sure they have housing, transportation, healthcare and retirement. Multi generational home is nice.
Smh daycare is more than my rent!! How do you choose between paying rent or daycare??? I’m finally on state assistance but what about people who don’t qualify??
Stay home and raise your children
This is so awesome Rachael and Christina are mothers on this show and childcare costs are out of control 😎😤
Just went back to work after taking a year off for maternity leave and I’m paying $2250/mo for childcare with two children. It’s 20% of our income and we are counting down the days until our older one starts kindergarten next year.
Congrats on the baby ❤ Do you mind me asking what kind of childcare you have?
I am currently pregnant. Hubby and I are thinking about this. We do not have friends or family around to help. In a traditional daycare it will take half of my income. Hubby works a hybrid schedule. I thought of doing part time some where else, but o do love my work. My work is not part time capable. I would moved departments entirely, and work Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Or a part time nanny if I can find a hybrid/remote gig. It is though.
Research in your area any childcare places that goes by your income for a cheaper price
@@reese85 that's a good suggestion. I will do some research, but hubby and I both work full time and we have dual income, it would just be half of my income. I don't know if it would be any better based on income.
@@katelynsant don’t you want to snuggle your baby? I’m sure you don’t want hired help doing what you should be doing.
I never wanted kids, but I researched costs and that confirmed my opinion. Childfree by choice, and happy!
I'm a little surprised that the option of round robin wasn't mentioned ...
A woman in my area started one for SAHMs to just get free timeslots to run errands child free of go to appointments.
Our DC in northern CT over 16k a year per kid.
God forbid you take care of your own kids instead of outsourcing!
You must life on a different planet if you think that staying home and affording housing etc is an option.
@@Ezunit1991 Well ,, I live in TX too,, i didnt know TX is another planet!
@@okiterukagetsu median household income (two people working) is 63k in TX. The median house price is 342k in TX, median rent is 910 bucks. Assuming one person works that’s less than 40k a year for a family. Good luck.
@@Ezunit1991 We manage to do it in California of all places. We don't live large but we are soaking in the years while our children are young.
@@eurekahope5310 This is the key - most people could do it if they would downsize their lifestyle.
Sometimes the mother/father decides not to work because the he/she would use his/her entire income on childcare if it does not cut into the other parent's budget
That's rarely the case unless you have like 3 young kids at once twins or you stair stack your kids.
If you want to get ahead dont have kids
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Here's What You Can Do About It: Avoid having a child.
It DOES not make sense to pay for childcare full time when you make less than $100K a year. Women, just stay home with your kids.
The spam comments are out of control on this channel.
Great, very informative, discussion.
This is the problem of Modern women. Instead stay home taking care of the kids, they prefer pay for someone to do that. They dont want to low their cost of living, they want to buy that expensive shoes, and now, the kid is "the problem". Very SAD! Day care/os nany is a middle class fetish.
This is dumb comment, cuz I wouldn’t want my girl/wife to quit her job and stay home
@@reese85 ok... good luck!
Have you been to a grocery store lately or paid increased utilities?
@@annkrull9894
Something to think about before having kids. That’s what the home schooling families tell me.
Nobody learned nothing from 2008 and other events, history books(or The History Channel),and other people mistakes.
Inflation is nothing new and on going thing. Ask anyone that store food and see the slightly smaller cans/containers every few years with the same of slightly higher prices.
I have a stocked pantry/deep freezer and been to the grocery store twice this year .
No increased utilities where I live and not a lot of energy consumption in my home.
I don’t have too big of home with wasted spaces to heat and cool.
Took some of that money and invested in oil/gas and power companies for obvious reasons and let them pay my utility bills with dividends.
I will never understand married women that willingly abandon their children all day and have another woman raise them. I guess we all have what we value and sad that children are so undervalued these days.
I agree
They have been brainwashed by the American culture. "Being a mom isn't as glamorous as working in an office. " Change your lifestyle if you can't make it on one salary.
🤣
Give your the option! I would rather go to daycare vs be under my mother all day long!
@@reese85 Sounds like you had a bad mother, sorry.
I have a simple solution. Don't have kids 😊
In my town, in Ohio, if you have a baby and a 2 year old it’s $40,000 to put them in a very basic childcare center.
Why did you have children if you are to busy for them
Because most parents need to work.. not everyone can sit at home with the kids
@@Slam-
He/she asked why you have them.
Your answer make it you are forced and/or it’s mandatory to have kids so you work and have no time for them.
Must not have been planned and you had no choice.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 I’m not a parent, I just know that’s the reality.
@@Slam-
You responded.
I'm not either but it has always been a reality. Still happening and even gotten worse.
It's going on all around you.
Nobody learns from other people mistakes.
So the question still applies.
I want to stay home with the kids as a dad! Let the woman work!
Yo! Ya better do that if she doesn’t want to stay at home until they go to pre school or maybe kindergarten. Between you and her whoever makes less money should stay at home , believe its not worth it . Ya sit with her and ask for her opinion and if she doesn’t agree with ya just tell her straight I will stay at home with our kids. Besides you know you can work over the weekends that will make you eligible for health insurance depending on the state where you live while she works weekdays . Good luck bro it’s very hard for modern women to stay at home but no hard feelings just calm down and talk to your woman . My sister who was Director of nursing at large facility left her high paying job to take care of her kids until they joined kindergarten but she was doing freelancing jobs at home .
Boxes of condoms are way cheaper than child care. I've saved tens of thousands in child care costs.
Refusing to have relations with anybody is cheaper still.
If only there were some way to have one parent at home without making both parents work in order to pay the bills in this nation. Oh well, probably an impossibility with the profit margins for most major employers so razor thin.
There are options, u just have to find it like mom can work part time while dad is working full until the child is ready to go to school, then the mom can go full time. Another one is one of the parents need to work nightshift while the other one can work during the day so they can take care of their children.
How about women take care of babies, internet broken!
So tone Def. The issue is the market. We as parents are the victims. It's ridiculous.
You’re not the victims just take care of your own damn kid. Nobody asked you to fuck to have them so nobody should take care of them besides you. And if you want other people to take care of your screaming crying, nagging shitting kid then pay.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
How is this helpful? The conversation was "it can be tough, find some alternatives" .....really?
Problem recognized, solutions offered. What more did you expect? Them to say we should wait for someone else to fix the issue systemically? This show’s always going to offer what you can do rather than waiting on some policy that’ll magically fix everything.
I waking making good money but I took a local gov job that pay less but I get out at 3pm with enough time to pickup my kids from school to save on that expense.
Both of you should start a UA-cam video on womens issues with money and go into deeper discussions with child care especially.
I hate call like this. There needs to be more of call calls of people making around 120k gross or 7400 net in Connecticut
Even with a potential mortgage of $1900 a month including taxes and insurance-25% on 15
Tithe of 740
Retirement of 1500
Then regular bills like food , utilities,
Only leaves $1000 a month for daycare , sinking funds, vacation which is nothing..
so please tell me how people do it when two people make the same amount and work first shift jobs..
yall NEVER ANSWER DAYCARE QUESTIONS !
Luckily we work from home, or else it cost $1800 a month for daycare.
We paid $15k a year per child 😣 never been so happy for kindergarten this year! The tuition goes up every year.
“Tuition”? 🤣
Great topic! Thank you!
who says you have to have kids??
Nobody
Who knew all you had to do was pull a random nanny off the street to care for your child during the most important developmental stage of their lives. Sheesh never thought of that!
We’re in a top school district in our state but we will not put our kids in public school. What is happening is truly scary with the lgbtq agenda and specifically the trans agenda. We’re now on the catholic school route and if necessary we will homeschool. I’ve been a SAHM so far so we haven’t done any childcare before
Lol you're a joke
Lol because kids never experienced abuse in the catholic church...
Yes the Catholic Church is known for its wonderful treatment of children.