It has become the industry standard, but it wasn't always the case. I'm old enough to remember a time when Disney meant old timey cutesy bland expressions. There was a Family Guy scene where they parody old Disney films.
Inbetweens just refer to the drawings between the key poses here they are talking about extreme poses and accent poses which are often keys but can also be in between drawings.
In betweens refer to the drawings we make in between key poses, what they are referring to here are accent poses and extreme poses extreme poses are often keys but accent poses are more often in betweens.
There are a lot of movements that go into even the simplest parts of the human body from walking to talking to running jumping. Whatever else have you. The same goes with faces. You don't go straight from happy to sad just like that you know, not in a natural state, not with complex emotions and you're in a maybe a complex situation. You know it's more. It's more fluid that way with those crazy ugly faces in there in my opinion. I'm solidly sure I'm explaining that right.
@@nekofrost9935 Old Disney had no real evident emotion in the character. The Disney that did the "ugly faces" had emotions. Do you know why that is? Of course you don't, you wouldn't have said something so stupid if you did. If your face is placid all the time, there is no transition. The same way that if you take a picture at just the right time a cats sneeze is funny and ugly. It's okay that you're stupid, just keep it to yourself.
Exactly! Look, take any video of anybody and go through it frame by frame and you will see the exact same kind of "funny images". We all make "silly faces" as our facial expressions change and flow. That's what real faces do. And adding that to animation makes it seem much more natural and alive.
These exaggerated expressions are what make the animation look so appealing and fluid. That split second of a funny face creates a smooth and appealing transition in movement.
As an animation student I LOVE that animators nowadays aren’t afraid to give characters some “ugly” expressions. It makes them feel more real and human. Even the prettiest people still make ugly faces sometimes. When you yawn. When you sneeze. When you get really angry or upset. When you ugly cry. When you feel sick. People are imperfect. And imo, to capture those imperfections shows a lot of skill as an artist/animator rather than drawing every character like they’re a doll.
Maybe he mean her “funny/silly” faces in awkward moments. For me the only shot when she was “ugly” is the moment where king Triton make a deal with Ursula
@@smoking_lab_rat The whole message of the video is confusing for me. It was like they were saying the older artists didn't like what the younger artists were doing. But the older artist explained that if they had to choose between making Ariel pretty or real, they would choose real.
@@leilaniaragonyou are confused a little. The “older artist” here, Glen Keane, is actually one of the younger artists that the video is talking about, and that in his day the older artists would prefer prettier expressions over real ones.
Smears are amazingly integral to stylisation! You don’t notice them, but you definitely FEEL them during a normal watch. Makes animations feel a lot more fluid
Yes but those are not smear frames at all. Smear = motion blur. Happens between key frames. Again many people here seems to now know what a smear frame is. Which is funny as the name itself says it all what they are. Physical Distortion / deformation not tied to motion = not smear frame. Exaggerating = not smear frame. Visual Stretching to give speed enhancements simulating camera shutter motion blur (the smear) = smear frame. Then sometimes of course it can be a fine line between the smear “deformation” and the actually deformation caused by the action
I think hes saying smear as in, smearing the facial expressions a character goes through Not smearing LINES, but smearing more of an idea, or process, or.... something like that. Lol
If you’ve ever paused a UA-cam video on a person, you’d realize just how often people naturally make very weird faces. It’s just a part of proper emoting
It's the ideal versus the real; the problem is that you risk falling into the uncanny valley if you don't add a flash of something real, even in a cartoon. Everyone knows this phenomenon now: randomly pausing a video and ending up with horrible or hilarious still images of someone that looked normal when they were in motion.
IIRC, they're called smear frames. Every animator who knows what they're doing, professional or freelance, uses them as a means of giving more life and fluidity to their animation.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 that would explain why modern animation gets crappier every year and why Ghibli, keeping their stuff real, won Oscars lately. :P
@@marikothecheetah9342 Ghibli is certainly amongst the studios that still use smear frames, but a lot of other modern studios, both big and small, western and eastern, also use them. It's very obvious when they don't, though. What I think is crazy is the fact that some 3D studios have begone utilizing them as well. The two I can think of as of recently have been Dreamworks and HoYoverse.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 The issue is with hyperbolisation, where there is no reason for it. When talking about Ariel - yes, she feels more childish than she is (she's 16? Really? Looks and behaves like a 12-yrs old). On the other hand Sophie in Howl's Moving Castle behaves like a young, shy girl she is, but right for her age. No stupid face exaggerations, no slapstick sh!te from the 30s (I love that convention, but as a whole convention, not a sugar sprinkle on the bacon). Even the most crazy anime does not exaggerate where exaggeration is simply uncalled for. It's all in the balance, which western animation doesn't have any longer. As for western 3D animation - well, if I watch something it's more because I am a fan of animation in general so kinda do it out of duty, but honestly - it's all about rendering, exaggerations (because of course) and story is in the botton of the list. Turning Red was a disaster for me - it had cute moments but man, Chinese characters look like people with Down syndrome and the rest of characters, as if they were gathered from other animations and slapped into this production. Also - what's with the crazy and fugly cartoon design? Tried to watch a couple of cartoons from the U.S. and just couldn't. I understand the convention, but sometimes too much is too much.
@@marikothecheetah9342 I'm gonna be completely frank with you pal, you're really reaching straws here. I've seen plenty off scenes from anime that go way too overboard with their "hyperbolisation" than the western animations you seem to be thinking of, and on the flipside most anime out there are so cheaply made with the same exact aesthetics and animation style that there's hardly any movement to characters at all, or rather hardly any meaningful movement at that. I no longer use Disney as a standard of western animation because they've long since fallen off immensely in terms of quality standards from the times they made 2D animation. There are other western studios out there that have managed to make far better animations than anything Disney has come out with recently. DreamWorks is one I can think of with Puss In Boots the Last Wish and their up coming film, the Wild Robot. That's not even counting the video games industry, with studios like Blur or even small dev teams like Moon Studio.
You know how the back of tapestries are, just a mess of tangles and knots that's hold the beautiful design in the front together? Well, I think of smear frames as those ugly knots and tangles. They make the animation look fluid and organic.
@@tigerlight3930 Same. Sometimes the single thread in the tapestry can only see the backside of the tapestry, and all its fellow threads tangled up with it. It looks to the thread like it's part of a jumbled, knotted mess. That's why it can't see its purpose in the pattern of the grand design.
I used to replay that scene in Iron Giant when I was a kid because I found it absolutely hilarious. Mansley as a character was just hilarious in general.
I love it. Animation has such wildly expressive, cartoonish characters. Those single frame shots of bulging eyes and whatnot makes it feel like the movement is fast and zappy.
they're not hiding anything, it's a smear frame which is just transitions in between scenes I'm sorry but please stop responding!! I can't handle the amount of notifications 😭
they still do this look up "noodle bones" or "noodle joints" its basically how they make smear frames in modern games you wont notice it unless you pause it but makes animation look way smoother in games
They are! I'm a nineties kid and grew up with vhs. When we got the vhs tape of the lion king, I paused our vcr at just the right moment during the scene where Simba lays on the grass and the dandelion seeds blow into the air. The seeds spell the word SEX in all caps for an 16th of a second or so. The way they had to animate the drawings frame by frame back then, there's no way that wasn't done on purpose.
@@anitagarcia8056They put the letters S.F.X in a lot of Disney movies as an inside joke. In animation its short form for "Special Effects". Every time it shows up in Disney Films it's on a special effect (like Dust or water splashes) it's like putting a post it note that says 'Fridge' on your fridge.... that's the joke.
That's not really what they were talking about. They weren't mad about smear frames. They were talking about the over all expressions and moments, not individual frames. Animators have been using exaggerated smear frames since forever. This is pretty much misinformation
Technically speaking the video never says it's smear frames? Obviously smear frames have been around since the very beginning. In any case the video is very confusingly put together.
I remember seeing that familiar face, but In Mondo Media “Happy Tree Friends” when the lemonade stand sign hitted Petunia’s face, causing that similar face expression (this was on the episode “Eyes Cold Lemonade”)
Me and my mom literally used to have a game we played called Funny Freeze Frames. If we paused a movie on a funny freeze frame (normally to go and get snacks or something), we’d shout “funny freeze frame!” and start laughing.
I kinda hate when people say it's ugly frames. Like yeah they are but it's to make it smoother. Animation has its tricks and not everything looks beautiful. It's the same for 3d storyboards, or storyboards in general. It's not completed work but it's needed
@@TheMenaceHimself2006 indie shows are independent. Of course it won't compare to some billion dollar budget cartoon, W2h is literally animated/written by 1 person lol
Glen Keane is talking about something completely different here. He’s referring to the expressions or drawings in a more general way. He’s not talking about the smears or extreme inbetweens.
Little Mermaid was where they started making very emotional animation for the good old 90s. Old Disney stuff is really good too but doesn't have the characters really fleshed out.
These expressions happen in real life. I think of the lady who first says "Michael Bolton" in Office Space. There's a half second where her eyes get cartoonishly wide when she says "Bolton." It sells the moment perfectly.
This video, padding for watch time: Says a thing, resays the thing, says the thing again, finally gets to the point which is in fact just a variation of resaying the thing.
i LOVE MISINOFORMATION RAAAA imagine writing this script, finding videos, and then putting it on there, there is so much time in those steps to be like "huh maybe this is wrong"
Yeah this video is kinda dumb lol. Those drawings aren't just easter eggs. They're extremes. They're on screen for one or two frames max and they're meant to be the most extreme pose in an action. When you see someone get punched in slow motion you wouldn't say that its an easter eggs face he's making .2 seconds after getting punched. It's just what faces do.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 oh boy.. i really dont know how to respond to this comment. Are you that ignorant? Im guessing youre a child, or just dont know how the internet works. Either or. Please use a small portion of your already small brain. Do your own research. Here as an example: if i grab a piece of paper. And write the word “cake” on it. And tell you. I have cake. Does that make it a cake? No it doesnt (im really hoping youre smart enough to understand this analogy but I genuinely have very low expectations) He didnt show an once of evidence. He showed smear frames. (Which if you do a quick google search, you would know what they are) have a good day bud, please. Think before you comment.
I think it’s more realistic to have ugly, misplaced moments. We do it in real life all the time 😂😂😂 imagine how many “ugly” moments we’ve had that other people saw and we didn’t realize it
They mean she doesn't look appealing in every single frame, which is something an animator would notice. If you look at the Walt-era Disney movies, you would be hard-pressed to find one of their female leads _ever_ having an unappealing gait or posture or gesture or expression, even for one frame.
Actually, those funny frames are called smear frames. They are the frames in between movements (fast ones) so simulate quickly moving objects. Like when you flick a pencil up and down you don’t see every single frame. You see a smear in the middle. Hence the name “smear” frames! :)
@@MrBrax But he talks about Disney Animators, he only introduces thru other animated stuff, but the core of the video is between two generations of Disney animators
“The Animators weren’t happy.” Given how the Cinderella horse (Major?) reacts to the Fairy Godmother saying “mice,” I’m suspicious. Also, to those saying “Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie.” I am very much a stickler for things like that. And since the focus was more on funny animation frames in general, not exclusively Disney, I’m willing to let it slide; I didn’t even realize it was being suggested here.
Brad Bird was the director and also had been an animator. Even if it wasn't disney, I'm sure he was well aware of these animation tactics?gags? whatever theyre called, he knew what he was doing
the train scene in Anastasia as they are trying to fix the broken rail chain thing has thee funniest expressions ive ever seen when pausing, frame by frame is comedy gold
Ariel is full of appeal! Her character animation, especially after she loses her voice and her physicality is all she has to communicate, is stunning work and one of the highlights of the film.
I don't know this channel but this short popped up on my feed and I'm gobsmacked at how ill-informed and stupid a channel supposedly about Animation could possibly be
The short never implied they were only going to talk about disney animation. That was never the argument, even though the vast majority of what we see as examples are from disney (gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that disney has basically almost monopolized animation, drowning out their competitors, with bad consequences for everybody as a result, but that's american capitalism for you.) The argument is that YOUNGER generations of animators were and are more prone to using "funny" in-between frames as a way of stylization, as opposed to the older generations requiring every frame to be equally "realistic". The real take-away is that this new stylization created a more fluid and "alive" style that creates energy and sometimes comedy. THE HORROR, TRULY THE YOUTH WILL RUIN CIVILIZATION.
@@RedFloyd469 The thumbnail is literally a non-Disney image. It IS implied by the title it will be about Disney. All those words you took all that time to type out were irrellevant.
These small frames give you reason to watch the movie again to see if you can spot them. I rewatched Invader Zim to see how many Bloody Girrs I could find.
I'm wondering what the context here is, because the use of weird frames to provide more fluid motion has been a thing all the way back in Tom and Jerry cartoons. It looks weird when paused, but that wasn't a thing until VCRs.
I remember watching The Iron Giant as a kid with my cousins and one of them had to use the restroom and paused it at that exact moment and all of us were just dying of laughter and he came back out, saw it and started laughing with us. Good times. That made me laugh seeing it again 😂
No matter what time period we're in there is always a group of old people to ruin the excitement! I hope when I'm old I will still be curious and excited to see things change 😊
@@alicebeh8234 Yeah and that’s why it’s only the female protagonists that look like that? Have you noticed they’re the only skeletons? Men get to have organs and villains can be fat. But female protagonists have to all have that same waist training body type.
@@EyesDontCry no OP is right, the guy explaining it was trying to politely say they were old fashioned who think everything should be visually appealing not realistic.
That’s the thing that’s not what they are actually talking about. They aren’t talking about smear frames like examples given in this short. They are just talking about about the animations being more cartoony.
"Appeal" is one of the twelve principles of animation. It's a normal question to ask as an animator. One example of how appeal is used when characters are made round to make them seem more friendly, such as with Kirby. The artists have to think about how each character will "appeal" to the audience. Since each character is different and the tone of each story is different, the artists have to think of different ways to make them appealing each time. One person thought the "ugly" frames appealed more, and the other person thought the "not ugly" frames would appeal more.
I always notice when Ariel scowls at Ursula right before trying to steal the triton from her how real the angry expression was. Nice to know that it was a particular effort in that moment by the animators to convey the feelings.
They might have chosen real over pretty, but the younger animators chose pacing and fluidity over real. And the latter creates a more memorable final product
Glen Keane brought his characters to life and made them so real. Ariel's best scene, the part of your world song, was fully animated by him. And this is when she truly comes alive. Same with colours of the wind in pocahontas (the smudgy bit where the wind blows away her colours). And he, of course, notoriously designed the Beast.
The “in betweens” can make a character way more expressive and is barely noticeable
Ya especially when you give the priest a heart on & you draw in a bunch of 🐔’s on the movie cover…
It has become the industry standard, but it wasn't always the case. I'm old enough to remember a time when Disney meant old timey cutesy bland expressions.
There was a Family Guy scene where they parody old Disney films.
Inbetweens just refer to the drawings between the key poses here they are talking about extreme poses and accent poses which are often keys but can also be in between drawings.
In betweens refer to the drawings we make in between key poses, what they are referring to here are accent poses and extreme poses extreme poses are often keys but accent poses are more often in betweens.
It's noticeable on a subconscious level, in a good way
the thing is though, the "ugly" faces make the animation flow so so nicely. it makes things bouncy and fluid. its not really that hidden IMO
I think maybe the faces didn't flow, and that's why they were ugly.
You think they hate it just because it's ugly? It's because it's not supposed to be there.
There are a lot of movements that go into even the simplest parts of the human body from walking to talking to running jumping. Whatever else have you. The same goes with faces. You don't go straight from happy to sad just like that you know, not in a natural state, not with complex emotions and you're in a maybe a complex situation. You know it's more. It's more fluid that way with those crazy ugly faces in there in my opinion.
I'm solidly sure I'm explaining that right.
@@nekofrost9935 Old Disney had no real evident emotion in the character.
The Disney that did the "ugly faces" had emotions. Do you know why that is? Of course you don't, you wouldn't have said something so stupid if you did.
If your face is placid all the time, there is no transition. The same way that if you take a picture at just the right time a cats sneeze is funny and ugly.
It's okay that you're stupid, just keep it to yourself.
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Animation needs to be exaggerated to flow right. It's not just "hiding funny images" rather showing bounce and emotion.
Sounds like the creator of this video has not animated any 2d works at all.
it's not always a need cause it depends on the style tbf lol
@highdefinition450 Have you ever animated a Bouncing Ball? Yes you do.
Exactly! Look, take any video of anybody and go through it frame by frame and you will see the exact same kind of "funny images". We all make "silly faces" as our facial expressions change and flow. That's what real faces do. And adding that to animation makes it seem much more natural and alive.
HHHH YEA THAT ANNOYED ME SO MUCH-
/lh
These exaggerated expressions are what make the animation look so appealing and fluid. That split second of a funny face creates a smooth and appealing transition in movement.
As an animation student I LOVE that animators nowadays aren’t afraid to give characters some “ugly” expressions. It makes them feel more real and human. Even the prettiest people still make ugly faces sometimes. When you yawn. When you sneeze. When you get really angry or upset. When you ugly cry. When you feel sick. People are imperfect. And imo, to capture those imperfections shows a lot of skill as an artist/animator rather than drawing every character like they’re a doll.
Wicked cool !!!!
Don't need to yawn to be ugly, but I think I get the gist of what you're saying
OneyNG is master of weird and funny faces
Exactly. Pause a TV show or a movie at random times, you'll still get people making funny faces or just straight up bizarre.
The first pause doesn’t count because you’re supposed to see the silly expression. It’s the crux of a visual gag.
Maybe this video is about visual gags and nit smear frames. 🤔
I honestly have no idea.
@@baggelissonicyeah, videos like these are always confusing
Videos like this are made only for views
Gaston's expression is part of a gag as well. This video is dumb.
I think we need an example of what was an "ugly" expression for Ariel.
Maybe he mean her “funny/silly” faces in awkward moments. For me the only shot when she was “ugly” is the moment where king Triton make a deal with Ursula
@@smoking_lab_rat The whole message of the video is confusing for me. It was like they were saying the older artists didn't like what the younger artists were doing. But the older artist explained that if they had to choose between making Ariel pretty or real, they would choose real.
@@leilaniaragon dont be so serious about what this channel sending. Sometimes his vids have no clue
@@leilaniaragonyou are confused a little. The “older artist” here, Glen Keane, is actually one of the younger artists that the video is talking about, and that in his day the older artists would prefer prettier expressions over real ones.
@seyyednaqvi6760 thank you--the video makes more sense
Smears are amazingly integral to stylisation! You don’t notice them, but you definitely FEEL them during a normal watch. Makes animations feel a lot more fluid
Yes but those are not smear frames at all. Smear = motion blur. Happens between key frames. Again many people here seems to now know what a smear frame is. Which is funny as the name itself says it all what they are.
Physical Distortion / deformation not tied to motion = not smear frame. Exaggerating = not smear frame.
Visual Stretching to give speed enhancements simulating camera shutter motion blur (the smear) = smear frame.
Then sometimes of course it can be a fine line between the smear “deformation” and the actually deformation caused by the action
no, YOU dont notice the... most of US do in fact notice them 😂
I think hes saying smear as in, smearing the facial expressions a character goes through
Not smearing LINES, but smearing more of an idea, or process, or.... something like that. Lol
If u feel them u notice them…
@@William-Morey-Bakeronly ones that are supposed to be seen or ones that are exaggerated are ones you notice, not hidden ones
If you’ve ever paused a UA-cam video on a person, you’d realize just how often people naturally make very weird faces. It’s just a part of proper emoting
It's the ideal versus the real; the problem is that you risk falling into the uncanny valley if you don't add a flash of something real, even in a cartoon. Everyone knows this phenomenon now: randomly pausing a video and ending up with horrible or hilarious still images of someone that looked normal when they were in motion.
IIRC, they're called smear frames. Every animator who knows what they're doing, professional or freelance, uses them as a means of giving more life and fluidity to their animation.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 that would explain why modern animation gets crappier every year and why Ghibli, keeping their stuff real, won Oscars lately. :P
@@marikothecheetah9342 Ghibli is certainly amongst the studios that still use smear frames, but a lot of other modern studios, both big and small, western and eastern, also use them. It's very obvious when they don't, though.
What I think is crazy is the fact that some 3D studios have begone utilizing them as well. The two I can think of as of recently have been Dreamworks and HoYoverse.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 The issue is with hyperbolisation, where there is no reason for it. When talking about Ariel - yes, she feels more childish than she is (she's 16? Really? Looks and behaves like a 12-yrs old). On the other hand Sophie in Howl's Moving Castle behaves like a young, shy girl she is, but right for her age. No stupid face exaggerations, no slapstick sh!te from the 30s (I love that convention, but as a whole convention, not a sugar sprinkle on the bacon). Even the most crazy anime does not exaggerate where exaggeration is simply uncalled for. It's all in the balance, which western animation doesn't have any longer.
As for western 3D animation - well, if I watch something it's more because I am a fan of animation in general so kinda do it out of duty, but honestly - it's all about rendering, exaggerations (because of course) and story is in the botton of the list. Turning Red was a disaster for me - it had cute moments but man, Chinese characters look like people with Down syndrome and the rest of characters, as if they were gathered from other animations and slapped into this production.
Also - what's with the crazy and fugly cartoon design? Tried to watch a couple of cartoons from the U.S. and just couldn't. I understand the convention, but sometimes too much is too much.
@@marikothecheetah9342 I'm gonna be completely frank with you pal, you're really reaching straws here. I've seen plenty off scenes from anime that go way too overboard with their "hyperbolisation" than the western animations you seem to be thinking of, and on the flipside most anime out there are so cheaply made with the same exact aesthetics and animation style that there's hardly any movement to characters at all, or rather hardly any meaningful movement at that.
I no longer use Disney as a standard of western animation because they've long since fallen off immensely in terms of quality standards from the times they made 2D animation. There are other western studios out there that have managed to make far better animations than anything Disney has come out with recently. DreamWorks is one I can think of with Puss In Boots the Last Wish and their up coming film, the Wild Robot. That's not even counting the video games industry, with studios like Blur or even small dev teams like Moon Studio.
For the record, The Iron Giant is created by Warner Bros and director Brad Bird. Before he did The Incredibles in the 2000’s
Yeah, implying that The Iron Giant was Disney is so insulting to the genius of that movie 😂
I love watching the iron giant. It was one of my favorites growing up.
I did the exact same thing!@@mirandanavarro7585
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You know how the back of tapestries are, just a mess of tangles and knots that's hold the beautiful design in the front together? Well, I think of smear frames as those ugly knots and tangles. They make the animation look fluid and organic.
Same with cells in general. The backs are painted mess
Thats a beautiful way to put it😮❤
I'd rather look at those smears.
Hehe, I Just remember 🎶Heaven's eye🎶
@@tigerlight3930 Same. Sometimes the single thread in the tapestry can only see the backside of the tapestry, and all its fellow threads tangled up with it. It looks to the thread like it's part of a jumbled, knotted mess. That's why it can't see its purpose in the pattern of the grand design.
I used to replay that scene in Iron Giant when I was a kid because I found it absolutely hilarious. Mansley as a character was just hilarious in general.
I LOVE THE IRON GIANT
I did the same thing. Especially the phone scene😂
Absolutely! Love iron giant! My all time favorite! He was hilarious with that exlax going and pooping everywhere around town! 😅🤣👌🏻
Iron giant was wb though, so it doesn't fit here.
Me too. That cracked me up. Have to watch it with the kids again.
I love it. Animation has such wildly expressive, cartoonish characters. Those single frame shots of bulging eyes and whatnot makes it feel like the movement is fast and zappy.
Why’re they getting so pressed it’s entertaining 😭😭😭
they're not hiding anything, it's a smear frame which is just transitions in between scenes
I'm sorry but please stop responding!! I can't handle the amount of notifications 😭
The majority of the time that’s the case. However, the animator may also want to draw a funny frame every now and then
they still do this look up "noodle bones" or "noodle joints" its basically how they make smear frames in modern games you wont notice it unless you pause it but makes animation look way smoother in games
They are! I'm a nineties kid and grew up with vhs. When we got the vhs tape of the lion king, I paused our vcr at just the right moment during the scene where Simba lays on the grass and the dandelion seeds blow into the air. The seeds spell the word SEX in all caps for an 16th of a second or so. The way they had to animate the drawings frame by frame back then, there's no way that wasn't done on purpose.
@@anitagarcia8056They put the letters S.F.X in a lot of Disney movies as an inside joke. In animation its short form for "Special Effects". Every time it shows up in Disney Films it's on a special effect (like Dust or water splashes) it's like putting a post it note that says 'Fridge' on your fridge.... that's the joke.
@@horrorvictim ig someone messed up the F lol
That's not really what they were talking about. They weren't mad about smear frames. They were talking about the over all expressions and moments, not individual frames. Animators have been using exaggerated smear frames since forever. This is pretty much misinformation
Reported the video for misinformation
Guessed so
Exactly! The creator of the video did not understand at all what Glen Keane was referring to, and completely misinterpreted everything
Technically speaking the video never says it's smear frames? Obviously smear frames have been around since the very beginning. In any case the video is very confusingly put together.
They didn’t even know Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie 🙄 that’s when I knew to stop listening lol
It makes the character more relatable, likeable and loveable.
It annoys me how the animators were so upset over this. Its not that big of a deal. No one is looking perfect in case a camera flashes at them 24/7
This is actually called "tweening". It makes the animation flow better.
I remember seeing that familiar face, but In Mondo Media “Happy Tree Friends” when the lemonade stand sign hitted Petunia’s face, causing that similar face expression (this was on the episode “Eyes Cold Lemonade”)
I can confirm, that animating smear frames is far funnier than just seeing them.
Me and my mom literally used to have a game we played called Funny Freeze Frames. If we paused a movie on a funny freeze frame (normally to go and get snacks or something), we’d shout “funny freeze frame!” and start laughing.
thats so cute i will do this when i have kids one day^^
My dad's really good at doing this completely unintentionally 😂
Game? Was there a point system or something?
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@@lapetitemorte6307, Nah; It was just whoever could get the funniest freeze frame, lol
I kinda hate when people say it's ugly frames. Like yeah they are but it's to make it smoother. Animation has its tricks and not everything looks beautiful. It's the same for 3d storyboards, or storyboards in general. It's not completed work but it's needed
Kent Mansley lowkey looks like Buzz lightyear when his face is squished in the door.
i like it
it's like when you accidentally pause a video and the person looks "ugly" it's more real than perpetual good looking
It’s called smear frames, often used to make an animation smoother.
omg ur pfp!! Yeahh!!!!
@@aaronthecatten what's so good about it?
@@Prrojiya17 it's Sock from Welcome to Hell, an animation series on UA-cam!! Sadly only has 1 episode though
@@aaronthecatten Ngl, a good portion of indie shows are kinda mid.
@@TheMenaceHimself2006 indie shows are independent. Of course it won't compare to some billion dollar budget cartoon, W2h is literally animated/written by 1 person lol
Mansley getting his face stuck in the slamming door is hilarious.
Fuck mansley. All the homies hate mansley
Glen Keane is talking about something completely different here. He’s referring to the expressions or drawings in a more general way. He’s not talking about the smears or extreme inbetweens.
Thanks for the explanation :)
@@Makememesandmore :)
Thought so. It wouldn’t make sense for them to be critical of it either since it pretty much defines their era.
Thought I was crazy cause I didn't see a clear connection between the two things
Little Mermaid was where they started making very emotional animation for the good old 90s. Old Disney stuff is really good too but doesn't have the characters really fleshed out.
These expressions happen in real life. I think of the lady who first says "Michael Bolton" in Office Space. There's a half second where her eyes get cartoonishly wide when she says "Bolton." It sells the moment perfectly.
That Gaston Frame Is Still Burning In My Head
DIDNEY WORL
Merry Ghostmas!
@@Enirahtak8 Finally,Someone Recognize Blockhead Lmao
@@LucasLaFontant Yep! 😆
As a lover of visual humor, I'm so glad they pushed towards this change.
When you pause a speech, the speaker seems to have hidden a funny face during the speech, what a hilarious detail!
It wasn't "ugly" animation. It was emphasizing emotion. Cartoonists in general emphasize and exaggerate emotions.
This video, padding for watch time:
Says a thing, resays the thing, says the thing again, finally gets to the point which is in fact just a variation of resaying the thing.
They do it to this day. Pause the Frozen movie, just as Anna is punching Hans. The intent of her fist meeting his face is priceless.
i LOVE MISINOFORMATION RAAAA imagine writing this script, finding videos, and then putting it on there, there is so much time in those steps to be like "huh maybe this is wrong"
Yeah this video is kinda dumb lol. Those drawings aren't just easter eggs. They're extremes. They're on screen for one or two frames max and they're meant to be the most extreme pose in an action. When you see someone get punched in slow motion you wouldn't say that its an easter eggs face he's making .2 seconds after getting punched. It's just what faces do.
Bro literally brought video evidence and you call it misinformation?
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 The video evidence doesn't support what he says lol.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191 oh boy.. i really dont know how to respond to this comment. Are you that ignorant? Im guessing youre a child, or just dont know how the internet works. Either or. Please use a small portion of your already small brain. Do your own research.
Here as an example: if i grab a piece of paper. And write the word “cake” on it. And tell you. I have cake. Does that make it a cake? No it doesnt (im really hoping youre smart enough to understand this analogy but I genuinely have very low expectations)
He didnt show an once of evidence. He showed smear frames. (Which if you do a quick google search, you would know what they are) have a good day bud, please. Think before you comment.
@@hamiltonsupreme8191Video evidence of someone saying something isn't video evidence of the thing being true. Please learn this.
I think it’s more realistic to have ugly, misplaced moments. We do it in real life all the time 😂😂😂 imagine how many “ugly” moments we’ve had that other people saw and we didn’t realize it
They are cartoons, they should have goofy expressions. "I wouldn't do it that way" doesnt mean it's wrong.
They think women need to be animated with pristine expressions. Ugliness was literally not allowed. He was just loud about it in the critique
“Ariel doesn’t look appealing”🤮🤮🤮 she’s like one of the most beautiful Disney Princesses
They mean she doesn't look appealing in every single frame, which is something an animator would notice. If you look at the Walt-era Disney movies, you would be hard-pressed to find one of their female leads _ever_ having an unappealing gait or posture or gesture or expression, even for one frame.
Actually, those funny frames are called smear frames. They are the frames in between movements (fast ones) so simulate quickly moving objects. Like when you flick a pencil up and down you don’t see every single frame. You see a smear in the middle. Hence the name “smear” frames! :)
Repeat after me: The Iron Giant is NOT a Disney movie!
Uh...okay :)
The iron Giant is NOT a mov-
Wait what :(
When did they say it was?
@@diegocalderon5190the title
@@MrBrax But he talks about Disney Animators, he only introduces thru other animated stuff, but the core of the video is between two generations of Disney animators
“One second, you’re watching a serious character”
*Shows Gaston*
Tommy immediately following his sneeze up with, "I'm allergic to STUPID," took me tf out. He's iconic.
“The Animators weren’t happy.”
Given how the Cinderella horse (Major?) reacts to the Fairy Godmother saying “mice,” I’m suspicious.
Also, to those saying “Iron Giant isn’t a Disney movie.” I am very much a stickler for things like that.
And since the focus was more on funny animation frames in general, not exclusively Disney, I’m willing to let it slide; I didn’t even realize it was being suggested here.
Brad Bird was the director and also had been an animator. Even if it wasn't disney, I'm sure he was well aware of these animation tactics?gags? whatever theyre called, he knew what he was doing
But it made so many of us kids happy when we’d pause the frame on our VHSs! 😁
the train scene in Anastasia as they are trying to fix the broken rail chain thing has thee funniest expressions ive ever seen when pausing, frame by frame is comedy gold
Ariel is full of appeal! Her character animation, especially after she loses her voice and her physicality is all she has to communicate, is stunning work and one of the highlights of the film.
The yoshi noise as his head gets smashed by the door is diabolical. 😂😂
Love that you start this short about Disney animation with a shot from a Warner Brother's movie. Great research!
I don't know this channel but this short popped up on my feed and I'm gobsmacked at how ill-informed and stupid a channel supposedly about Animation could possibly be
The short never implied they were only going to talk about disney animation. That was never the argument, even though the vast majority of what we see as examples are from disney (gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that disney has basically almost monopolized animation, drowning out their competitors, with bad consequences for everybody as a result, but that's american capitalism for you.)
The argument is that YOUNGER generations of animators were and are more prone to using "funny" in-between frames as a way of stylization, as opposed to the older generations requiring every frame to be equally "realistic".
The real take-away is that this new stylization created a more fluid and "alive" style that creates energy and sometimes comedy. THE HORROR, TRULY THE YOUTH WILL RUIN CIVILIZATION.
@@RedFloyd469 The thumbnail is literally a non-Disney image. It IS implied by the title it will be about Disney. All those words you took all that time to type out were irrellevant.
I think "Disney" being in the title just gets more clicks :/
These small frames give you reason to watch the movie again to see if you can spot them. I rewatched Invader Zim to see how many Bloody Girrs I could find.
I thought that was a creepypasta is that actually real
@@GippyHappyYeah, it is. Look it up on UA-cam, the animators of Invader Zim snuck it in there in some episodes for a single frame
Mr. Keane, I can personally assure you that Ariel was ALWAYS appealing in EVERY way!
Go straight to jail.
Go straight to jail.
Go straight to jail.
I'm wondering what the context here is, because the use of weird frames to provide more fluid motion has been a thing all the way back in Tom and Jerry cartoons. It looks weird when paused, but that wasn't a thing until VCRs.
I remember watching The Iron Giant as a kid with my cousins and one of them had to use the restroom and paused it at that exact moment and all of us were just dying of laughter and he came back out, saw it and started laughing with us. Good times. That made me laugh seeing it again 😂
Ohh here comes the fun police☹️
F those boomers
Aka boomers
No matter what time period we're in there is always a group of old people to ruin the excitement! I hope when I'm old I will still be curious and excited to see things change 😊
You will grower wiser and see your errs
Just wait till you grew older and more experience.
It's freeze-frames that make everything perfect.
Ariel's expressions are so expressive and beautiful looking. Idc what Ollie said
HOLY BANANA PUDDING, I THOUGHT NONE KNEW THAT MOVIE! #ILOVETHEIRONGAINT
I love that this is still a thing with cgi. Just watch Hans getting punched in slow mo in frozen.
“Between pretty and real we choose real, she’s a real teenage girl”
And that’s why from some angles her waist is literally the size of her neck.
I always see it as an art style. Like how in most anime the characters eyes are huge.
@@alicebeh8234 Yeah and that’s why it’s only the female protagonists that look like that? Have you noticed they’re the only skeletons? Men get to have organs and villains can be fat. But female protagonists have to all have that same waist training body type.
Lol I guess they just meant Realer than Cinderella or Snow White 😂 it's strange how still their faces are
If they didn't make it so, Disney would've thrown a huge fit for not making a teenager "Visually appealing enough"
@@annataymond9529 'have you noticed they're skeletons' lmfao have you never seen a pixar woman? they are THICK
it makes animation much more fluid, sometimes giving it a "bouncy" effect. i LOVE it as an artist
Those “ugly” parts are what make characters so much prettier.
I know right when Dori got stung by the little jellyfish squishy, her whole eye turns black
They're mostly in-betweens, this funny draiwngs make the animation more fluid
they got mad the teenager wasn’t sexy enough
disney moment
Fr
They clearly said pretty, you said sexy. Shows what you were thinking of more than anything.
Yeah I got this too , weird
@EyesDontCry i cant imagine standing up for disney. That weird. Racist, homophobic company. But pop off
@@EyesDontCry no OP is right, the guy explaining it was trying to politely say they were old fashioned who think everything should be visually appealing not realistic.
Funny images can actually make the animation easier, and it helps a lot with fast movements
This song/video is so underrated. Really dig the vibe, very fun!
Yeah, they're goofy, but if you pause real life, humans always look goofy when they're in the middle of doing something.
Older animators: "Animation is SERIOUS!"
Young animators: "Hehe. Funni faces."
Movie watchers: "Ayo look at this goofy smear frame."
I love this so much
That’s the thing that’s not what they are actually talking about. They aren’t talking about smear frames like examples given in this short. They are just talking about about the animations being more cartoony.
Right thing is if you pause a video of someone talking irl theres gonna be frames where the person looks ugly or goofy
Spirit SOTC too, they gave him plenty of funny expressions 😆
so that's why the earlier princesses look uncannily perfect...
The face Simba makes looks like the face the temmie in the tem shop makes when you decline selling something.
I respect Glen Keane so much. Those words ring such a strong message of solidarity, support and love to women and girls ❤
I love that they chose "real" over "pretty" for a young female character. 🥰
Uh. How old was the person who said Ariel wasn't "appealing" in some shots? Just. Just curious.
"Appeal" is one of the twelve principles of animation. It's a normal question to ask as an animator. One example of how appeal is used when characters are made round to make them seem more friendly, such as with Kirby. The artists have to think about how each character will "appeal" to the audience. Since each character is different and the tone of each story is different, the artists have to think of different ways to make them appealing each time. One person thought the "ugly" frames appealed more, and the other person thought the "not ugly" frames would appeal more.
@cetitanenthusiast776 thank you for explaining that, the phrase was very concerning to someone with no animation knowledge (me)
Fun police
Also, The Iron Giant wasn’t made by Disney, yes, they own it, but it was made way before Disney brought Fox
It's by Warner Brothers lol
Relax it was just an example clip
I'll take the funny "ugly" expressions over just pretty pretty pretty every time! It gives it more life and character ❤
This should be more popular!! This is great!!!
These “ugly” expressions are our memes now. They are CRITICAL
I don’t like how he said her face expression weren’t very appealing as she is a teenager and shouldn’t be worried abt how appealing she is,
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I wonder what the older animators thought about all the hidden phallic symbols
I always notice when Ariel scowls at Ursula right before trying to steal the triton from her how real the angry expression was. Nice to know that it was a particular effort in that moment by the animators to convey the feelings.
They might have chosen real over pretty, but the younger animators chose pacing and fluidity over real. And the latter creates a more memorable final product
These are just smear frames, bro what are you yapping about?
"She was a real teenage girl", no, she was a mermaid
Well, nobody's calling the older stuff the "golden age of disney" are they
Merlin is a gold mine of goofy faces, every character is so expressive, even the owl.
The iron giant’s not Disney.
but some animators were from disney experience, I suppose
Smear frames are absolutely funny but also absolutely awesome when you don't hit pause 😂
As an artist I learned not every character is meant to be appealing and not every angel is supposed to be a glam shot.
Glen Keane brought his characters to life and made them so real.
Ariel's best scene, the part of your world song, was fully animated by him. And this is when she truly comes alive.
Same with colours of the wind in pocahontas (the smudgy bit where the wind blows away her colours).
And he, of course, notoriously designed the Beast.
Whoever decided to animate Sully doin a sassy runway walk should be promoted, this is the kind of behind-the-scenes I wanna see 😂😂
Now this is a change to make improvement and realism. Taking the lessons of masters and growing. Kudos
Huh, such a nifty thing I had no idea about previously. Thanks for sharing this with us. 😊
I swear finding those moments as a kid were literally the Hardest laughs my sisters and I ever had!!!🤣😂
it’s so natural bc we have “ugly faces” too. i love this 😂🫶🏼
It makes sense why the weird stills are there. Take 1000 photos of a candid interaction and see how many of them turn out completely perfect.