@@deedee45780 I can actually see why they feel that way! To me, quietness in a film almost does feel like a comforting presence depending on what context it’s in, since it makes normal scenes feel more natural and real in a way, even if it’s animated; but when the scary/eerie stuff starts happening it _really_ plays into the horror very well. I think it’s because, maybe, silence in movies-especially animated ones-since there’s usually _always_ some type of added music/ambience in the background, it feels like the silence _amplifies_ whatever feeling the scene is trying to convey, because it makes your subconscious focus more on what’s happening rather then taking in whatever’s happening in the background at the same time! I think silence feels stronger when scary things happen mostly just because fear is naturally felt stronger than calmness is, so we notice the lack of music when something terrifying happens because we automatically start noticing more things to take in the details of the threatening situation. Plus there’s also the added “the woods going completely unnaturally silent when a predator is lurking” feeling it brings during eerie moments
I definitely remember doing that very thing for the very same reasons quite a few times as a child. It helps kids relate to her on a more subtle level because its in the sense that many would understand that kind of boredom and desire to be annoying, until their siblings or parents are forced to acknowledge their irritating behavior. "Oh my god, she's just like me!"
Probably why so much of Hollywood movies feel so soulless and frantic. There's no true heart there and no place to rest and just experience moments that resonate.
Check out anything by Miyazaki. He knows that sometimes, you have to go slow. Spirited away, Howl's moving castle, Arietty, Nausicaa, Princess Mononoke are some of the better known ones.
This is exactly why i cant watch newer movies it completely lacks atmosphere and feels so rushed the point of good writing you need a good build up and need to build atmosphere
The last Disney movie that I watched that REALLY knew how to give moments their space was Coco. One scene that comes to mind is when Hector and Miguel visit the man who is being forgotten. The moment of silence after Hector empties the shot glass and slams it back on the table upside down. The way that scene just lingers allows us to think about the weight of being forgotten.
Also "not scary enough for late teens" ?????? I watched this when i was in my early 20ies and the suspension gave me goosebumps. A good horror movie isn't necessarily about what you see on screen but what you don't see, making your brain to fill in the gaps.
Reminder that My Neighbour Totoro, one of the most iconic children's movies and movies of all time, has an entire 3 minute scene where the characters just wait at a bus stop. Kids don't need their movies to be hyperactive all the time.
A lot of well known Japanese animated films have those long periods of quiet, where nothing much happens, and ghibli films are no exception. Iirc there was a whole incident where the American studio tried to cut a lot of scenes from a ghibli movie, but miyazaki didn’t let them LOL but those little scenes are so important in building character and the world, coraline did it so beautifully
i feel like if they made it super fast pace it wouldnt let the story really sink in for us and the "too scary" comment?? have they even read the book?! im glad we got the dad as the pumpkin😭🙏
Letting scenes "breathe" is such an important thing and something I look for in good media bc it gives the audience the time to digest, like what Teri Hatcher was saying, and really immerse and connect themselves with that world and/or story being told.
The fact the scene takes a few seconds gives you a moment to go both "yea that's annoying" and "I would have done that as a kid" which makes you bond much more with both coraline and her parents
@@seapackgaming4316I added that as an adult you take a moment to remember both perspectives, of the child you also once were, and because of the perspective (viewing coraline from the 3rd person) the annoyed adult
- Kids like being scared as long as there’s a happy ending. - Kids are fully capable of understanding dull pastel colors and multifaceted emotions. Having these also helps us when we need to help a child explain a complex feeling. - kids are just as individual as adults. Some like movies made just for them and others prefer edgier or quieter movies
“Movies made for them” is what’s making kids absolutely braindead. There’s no reason they should be watching the emoji movie but they’ve been conditioned to like brainrot, and now they watch skibidi toilet.
@@editoe_b There's plenty of children's movies with good stories and a decent pace. Wizard of Oz, Robin Hood, Lion King, Chronicles of Narnia, Matilda, Totoro, Wall-E, etc. The issue are movies made for what adults think children like. The emoji movie is a bad example, it got terrible reviews. That's like saying 2000's kids were messed up because Doogal was a terrible movie - it was, but most children agreed.
@@lilia3944 Hell, I'd argue that kids are ok with a story that has a bad or scary ending. Goosebumps, Haunting Hour, Are You Afraid of Dark, etc, totally had some messed up endings.
It’s scenes like that which made coraline as a character more relatable for me. I used to do that all the time because of the squeaky door in my bedroom. I laughed at the scene because that’s what I did when I was bored and wanted attention.
Were you & your friends laughing historically in the movie theater? You know, there are other people watching the movie It’s rude & annoying. Watch it at home if you are going to annoy others
Big studio executives when they hear the word 'animation': "Alrighty, time to amuse kiddies with extremely low attention span. Oh what's that director? Appeal to older audiences, dark and interesting concepts? Nah bruh, kids don't want that, can't risk shit. Play it safe!"
its horrible how executives have slowly forced themselves on movies over the years, id imagine a lot of the horrible movies from big studios like Disney has to be from executive intervention
Executives see the success of minions and trolls and go damn we need that. We need our version of that with big money signs in their eyes while rubbing their hands together
@@meyague the definition of uncanny describes the feeling of unease you get when something appears human/normal but something is off. Quite literally the entire movie plot is uncanny, she goes to another world that is a copy of her own and everything seems normal yet some things are off because it is not actually real.
@@axeandace7728 you're using uncanny valley as a synonym for "mildly scary" and that's not correct, you're wrong. it's as simple as that. calling it uncanny valley would imply that it's repulsive to look at. use your brain.
We are in the second generation of kids loving this movie. This one still proves that kids can handle these kind of scenes when you got the propose on point the whole time. The frenetic scenes in kids movie just exists to make it more "entertaining". Laika really knows how to treat children, as the other studios, they don't treat them like "idiots" because they're not.
Yup! Their movies really are timeless, too. My 9 year old sister was terrified when we first watched Coraline...and then she asked if we could watch it again. Lol
There’s actually a Japanese concept all about ‘breathing room’ in a story to let ideas sink in. I’m pretty sure it’s called Ma and Studio Ghibli does a great job using it
Interesting too since Ghibli movies are adored by kids and adults the world over, and they aren't 100% frantic and fast paced! They have plenty of breathing room :)
@@perinnial9149 that's cause America and Canada (don't worry this isn't a MURICA BAD comment it's a western problem) think kids are braindead monkeys with 0 ability to think or be patient. The thing with kids, is that their attention span is taught. The more you feed FAST hits and rushes of dopamine then the movies that are slow, like Coraline, won't hit. It s so weird how America and Canada thinks kids behave when it's the opposite. They aren't mature, by ANY means, but kids are able to attach emotionally to movies. Heck, Star Wars was huge with kids when it came out first. So clearly we had the ability. Lately, thanks to tiktok and now shorts on UA-cam, they are just not learning how to focus cause nothing lets them learn how to.
Honestly the other mother being scary is kind of the whole point she’s supposed to be scary and she’s also supposed to be someone that little kids should fear because she’s a fear feeding entity (at least I think she is I haven’t actually seen the movie😅)
As a kid, not only did it make me feel a WIDE array of emotions, fear, laughter, sadness, gratitude, wonder, and admiration at the animation cuz it's amazing, but the themes made me very grateful for my family.
Yup. I've always seen it as a cautionary tale for children, because predators in real life often try to groom and manipulate children into allowing them to harm them, basically the same way the beldam/Other Mother did. The love bombing, isolating her from her family, silencing her other people who would potentially help or warn Coraline (specifically Wybie), pointing out how her old life and real parents "aren't as good", waiting until later in the film to introduce her to the idea of staying forever and sewing buttons in her eyes, etc. Stories like this are important for kids. It's a really great portrayal of how abusers rope in and keep their victims, and how even when you give in, you still don't get the things your abuser promised, because it was just bait to reel you in.
Even as a kid, I enjoyed that scene cuz I was like "haha I do that too!". The slower scenes allow audiences to not only learn more about the characters but also a chance to relate to em as well
Some of these companies are so materialistic and don't see the deeper meanings in simple little scenes like that. She's a kid!! That's the whole point! I love this film. Just outstanding!!❤
When they said the scene wasn't moving fast enough, that was the point. In childhood things often seem like they're moving slowly, you're bored, you want, need, something to happen. Even if you have to make it happen. That was exactly what Coraline was doing. That's what made it feel so authentic. So relatable. I'm glad they stood their ground and made it that way.
I love when film makers respect the intelligence and patience of their viewers. If a children’s movie can’t also be appreciated for adults, then it’s not a good kids movie.
When I first saw that scene, I honestly thought. "That was random..." with a squinting face to match. But then I realized it was a great precursor to Coraline's exploration. Overexaggerating the door led to overexaggeration of the carpet, stair hopping, hanging on a door, even killing the bugs. Showing that "boring" moment with the door really helped me process just how bored she was and what she felt she needed to do to cure it.
I actually saw this movie when it came out in theaters in 3D as an adult and loved it so much, I wish there was a way for people to experience it in 3D now.
It was re-released in theaters on 3D last week and it is still in theaters on 3D. I saw it last week on 3D and it was a pretty cool experience. And I haven't seen it in its original theatrical run.
There's a DVD copy you can get that comes with the 3D glasses, easily findable online. I still have my copy from childhood and the glasses are hiding somewhere in my sewing box
Yeah people forget this movie was sort of designed to be in 3D, there are some scenes where objects or characters are intentionally moved towards the screen to take advantage of the 3D effect.
Everything about Coraline just proves why executives should not be in charge of movies. I don't let my children watch modern movies because they are frantic and hyperactive and we're just teaching children that that's how they should be. It's bad for your brain and it's bad storytelling. It doesn't build any atmosphere and leaves no impact on you.
dude there are tons of good modern movies lol, stop clutching your pearls. the movies in your childhood are not inherently than the ones in theirs lmao, that is such a boomer thing to say smh man :/
It's the slow scenes that made Coraline cozy and relatable (imo). we all had moments where we were bored as a kid and had nothing or nobody so you wandered around doing random stuff like playing with the door
The fact that the Studio thought the door scene was "boring" and wanted things to go faster is just proof that the people at the top shouldn't be making creative decisions. Let the director/writers cook.
@ShadowSkyX nah the execs are just dumb and greedy. i've been diagnosed with adhd since childhood and also loved this movie since childhood. in fact, i really related to coraline's character partially bc of my adhd.
“Too scary for kids but not scary enough for older teens and adults” I’ve watched Coraline almost everyday because it’s just an uneasy but comforting movie. Coraline is just a perfect movie for rainy days or when you’re stressed. I’m so glad this movie was created so I could watch it everyday 😌
Coraline instilled some deep fear in me as a child that has not left me to this day. I should not be as scared of the "other mother" as I am but that part where she becomes that wierd ass spider still freaks me out, I'm not even scared of spiders.
Thank god they stuck to their guns. I HATE movies that constantly have the need to have something happening, when they forget that silence IS a something that happens, and it’s far more powerful than fidgeting more and more.
The whole movie is a work of art. Im in my 40s and I still watch it on rainy saturdays. The music is beautiful as well throughout the movie. The actress who played Coraline should have been played by an unknown which would have added to the mystique of the film.
Imagine making a movie and you're finally finished. Your masterpiece is finally complete and then the god damn executives just go "GO FASTER THIS IS BORING" like they're children
In essence some of them are gigantic babies and I think if they’re going to act like children we should treat them as such and say in a loud voice “NO! LEAVE IT ALONE!” and speaking of which they literally are babies because they ruin everything they touch and I do mean everything😡
I think there was a moment in howl's moving castle, there's an entire scene of someone making breakfast. The sound design is perfection, for one, and from my memory, there was no extra music. It's just a cozy moment of watching and listening to them cracking and sizzling eggs and such. It was mesmerizing.
I don't knock down the history of the place but I (as someone who wants to become an indi puppet and stop motion creator) I personally don't think Hollywood has a place anymore (speaking from purely an animation standpoint) Due to the things their doing to cause harm and the things their not doing to help. I hope this makes sense
@TheRadioknight yeah honestly. I'm unsure if puppetry fall under animation and if it does I belive very very technically it does. But besides the point in the right hands puppetry can be such a beautiful art form to see. But the big wigs say it isn't money efficient .......
@ninjaepic2095 what do you mean? I've seen people working in the field(puppetry) say how difficult it is due to the higher-ups saying how much time and money it takes for a film let alone a series .
Slow scenes are entirely necessary when it gives a realistic and purposeful feel, swinging the door is something a kid would do to consider leaving or grabbing a parent's attention. Also I find it more fun when kids movies can still be entertaining even as an adult; ratatouille, tangled, beauty and the beast, etc.
That film is the definition of perfection. That moment is so accurately portraying a bored child, and the scene where she hangs off of the top of the door as it opens... I ADORE THIS FILM The pacing makes it eerie and gloomy which adds everything to the film. I love it.
I love this movie! My boy loved it when he was little. My daughter will probably like it when she watches it for the first time. I think most modern stuff is wayyyy too fast paced & flashy. The pace of this work of art was well calculated.
1.) Too scary for kids: I can't say how close to the film is to the source material but I recall hearing that the author of the book tested his work by having a friend who was a parent read it to their kid. The friend would stop whenever they saw the kid getting scared by the story but everytime they did the kid would ask to keep going because they wanted to know what happened. 2.) Not enough for teens: I went to the movies when it was rereleased for the remastered 3D and the theater was full of emo kids.
My partner had never seen coraline before at 27 y/o and I put it on for us last fall. He loves scary movies and is quite picky, but he was so surprised by how scary it actually was “for a kids movie”
I loved Coraline for how slow it was. Life right now is so frantic and chaotic, it's turning people into angry monsters. Not even exaggerating...life moves so quick right now EVERYONE is in a hurry. I wish we'd just slow the fuck down.
Imagine how many movies have been ruined by higher ups demanding ridiculous things because they are insanely out of touch with what filmgoers ACTUALLY want.
Ya know, it's these kinds of little nitpicking that makes me happy to know that executives are now getting what they want, and they are failing box office numbers because they can't help sticking their nose into creative visions. It's the difference between Renaissance Disney / Pixar, and modern Disney / Pixar
I was around 20yrs old when Coraline came out in theaters and I loved this movie. Still do. I recently listened to it on Audible just a few weeks ago. Sometimes the execs don’t know what they’re talking about.
More like fuck executives, they’re the ones that mess with the artists interpretations to make sure they maximize the profits, which ends up hurting the quality of the film itself. They’re not artistically talented enough to realize why most of the things artists do are done purposefully for the bigger picture. Not all, but most out of touch executives fall in this type of category.
This will always be one of my favorite movies. My daughter watched it everyday for a year. I never got sick of it. It's beautiful. It encapsulates the strangeness of the duality of becoming a tween. That in-between where you're not yet grown out of playing pretend, but you're definitely not a little kid anymore.
This movie is absolutely amazing. That scene in specific is excellent for 1) showing Coraline’s mischievous personality 2) showing her restlessness 3) showing her loneliness and boredom As an autistic, the amount of breathing room in this movie is actually so refreshing and it’s one of my favourite movies of all time
My mom was terrified of this movie. My eyes were glued to the screen, I was silent and fascinated. It was the cobweb scene and I couldn’t be more interested. I was scared of spiders but the movie looked more cool than scary to me.
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The slow quietness is a huge part of what gave it the constant creepy feel
And/Or comforting feel if you're like me
@@claireschweizer4765yeah it feels right at home but also very eery because you know its a horror movie
@@claireschweizer4765okay Jeffrey 2.0😂
@@deedee45780 I can actually see why they feel that way! To me, quietness in a film almost does feel like a comforting presence depending on what context it’s in, since it makes normal scenes feel more natural and real in a way, even if it’s animated; but when the scary/eerie stuff starts happening it _really_ plays into the horror very well.
I think it’s because, maybe, silence in movies-especially animated ones-since there’s usually _always_ some type of added music/ambience in the background, it feels like the silence _amplifies_ whatever feeling the scene is trying to convey, because it makes your subconscious focus more on what’s happening rather then taking in whatever’s happening in the background at the same time!
I think silence feels stronger when scary things happen mostly just because fear is naturally felt stronger than calmness is, so we notice the lack of music when something terrifying happens because we automatically start noticing more things to take in the details of the threatening situation. Plus there’s also the added “the woods going completely unnaturally silent when a predator is lurking” feeling it brings during eerie moments
@@claireschweizer4765real
that little part is perfect, it's exactly something a kid would do if they're bored and trying to get their parent's attention
fr
EDIT: why the sigma do I have I have 65 likes? 💀
Exactly.
Heck- I used to do that when I was young LOL
I definitely remember doing that very thing for the very same reasons quite a few times as a child. It helps kids relate to her on a more subtle level because its in the sense that many would understand that kind of boredom and desire to be annoying, until their siblings or parents are forced to acknowledge their irritating behavior. "Oh my god, she's just like me!"
I still do-
Probably why so much of Hollywood movies feel so soulless and frantic. There's no true heart there and no place to rest and just experience moments that resonate.
Check out anything by Miyazaki. He knows that sometimes, you have to go slow. Spirited away, Howl's moving castle, Arietty, Nausicaa, Princess Mononoke are some of the better known ones.
This is exactly why i cant watch newer movies it completely lacks atmosphere and feels so rushed the point of good writing you need a good build up and need to build atmosphere
Agreed 100%.
@@walking-the-flower-path YES!!!!!!
The last Disney movie that I watched that REALLY knew how to give moments their space was Coco.
One scene that comes to mind is when Hector and Miguel visit the man who is being forgotten. The moment of silence after Hector empties the shot glass and slams it back on the table upside down. The way that scene just lingers allows us to think about the weight of being forgotten.
that scene is iconic and executed perfectly imo
This whole movie is iconic and executed perfectly.
I can't wait to read the original book someday.
@@justinharvey7398Me too!
@@justinharvey7398It was a brilliant concept for a movie 🎬 guy behind it was genius
tbf it's because of the meme lol
@@justinharvey7398what is stopping you from reading it rn tho lol
The pacing of this movie is PERFECTION and them trying to rush it diabolical. A true masterpiece
Definitely agree!
Imagine if Miyazaki adopted this ethic
its always the executes..
Also "not scary enough for late teens" ??????
I watched this when i was in my early 20ies and the suspension gave me goosebumps.
A good horror movie isn't necessarily about what you see on screen but what you don't see, making your brain to fill in the gaps.
@@ben_jammin242 have u ever watched a ghibli movie lol
Reminder that My Neighbour Totoro, one of the most iconic children's movies and movies of all time, has an entire 3 minute scene where the characters just wait at a bus stop.
Kids don't need their movies to be hyperactive all the time.
This!
@@robisolovjov4013 Also, that sequence is regarded as the most iconic part of the film.
A lot of well known Japanese animated films have those long periods of quiet, where nothing much happens, and ghibli films are no exception. Iirc there was a whole incident where the American studio tried to cut a lot of scenes from a ghibli movie, but miyazaki didn’t let them LOL
but those little scenes are so important in building character and the world, coraline did it so beautifully
The slow burn of the story Coraline made it so much scarier and you will feel the emotions and you anticipate what will happen after such scenes
EXACTLY
i feel like if they made it super fast pace it wouldnt let the story really sink in for us and the "too scary" comment?? have they even read the book?! im glad we got the dad as the pumpkin😭🙏
Yeah, the book it's based on is very fast paced and it doesn't work near as well
@@rxdioheadit teaumatised my sister. So do not know. Never watched it.
You should, is an amazing film, one of my favs@@lulu111_the_cool
Letting scenes "breathe" is such an important thing and something I look for in good media bc it gives the audience the time to digest, like what Teri Hatcher was saying, and really immerse and connect themselves with that world and/or story being told.
This person "Miyazaki"s...
We all did that door thing though. Don't even act like you didn't!
coraline is such a masterpiece fr
I think that, if you haven't already seen it, you would probably enjoy the film Stalker (1979)
Pacing is a big part of what makes a show really enjoyable for me, and some shows just don't even try to pace their scenes.
It's almost like if you let an artist make what they want it works
The fact the scene takes a few seconds gives you a moment to go both "yea that's annoying" and "I would have done that as a kid" which makes you bond much more with both coraline and her parents
You literally reiterated what the woman at the end said….
@@seapackgaming4316I added that as an adult you take a moment to remember both perspectives, of the child you also once were, and because of the perspective (viewing coraline from the 3rd person) the annoyed adult
Ooh, I thought another thing.
- Kids like being scared as long as there’s a happy ending.
- Kids are fully capable of understanding dull pastel colors and multifaceted emotions. Having these also helps us when we need to help a child explain a complex feeling.
- kids are just as individual as adults. Some like movies made just for them and others prefer edgier or quieter movies
“Movies made for them” is what’s making kids absolutely braindead. There’s no reason they should be watching the emoji movie but they’ve been conditioned to like brainrot, and now they watch skibidi toilet.
@@editoe_beven as "the target audience" I still hated that sort of "entertainment"
@@editoe_bgo watch skibidi toilet
@@editoe_b There's plenty of children's movies with good stories and a decent pace. Wizard of Oz, Robin Hood, Lion King, Chronicles of Narnia, Matilda, Totoro, Wall-E, etc.
The issue are movies made for what adults think children like. The emoji movie is a bad example, it got terrible reviews. That's like saying 2000's kids were messed up because Doogal was a terrible movie - it was, but most children agreed.
@@lilia3944 Hell, I'd argue that kids are ok with a story that has a bad or scary ending. Goosebumps, Haunting Hour, Are You Afraid of Dark, etc, totally had some messed up endings.
That’s what’s so good about it is that it isn’t loud and frantic and annoying it really lets you enjoy it instead of overstimulate you
It’s scenes like that which made coraline as a character more relatable for me. I used to do that all the time because of the squeaky door in my bedroom. I laughed at the scene because that’s what I did when I was bored and wanted attention.
Were you & your friends laughing historically in the movie theater?
You know, there are other people watching the movie
It’s rude & annoying. Watch it at home if you are going to annoy others
@@felisfelidae6113Is this ragebait or are you just old and boring?
@@felisfelidae6113 I watched it on dvd -_- also sorry that some people who had friends at a movie theater hurt you so badly my guy
@@felisfelidae6113 you're an assholw
@@felisfelidae6113 you know. You can watch movies without going to a theater.
Big studio executives when they hear the word 'animation':
"Alrighty, time to amuse kiddies with extremely low attention span. Oh what's that director? Appeal to older audiences, dark and interesting concepts? Nah bruh, kids don't want that, can't risk shit. Play it safe!"
its horrible how executives have slowly forced themselves on movies over the years, id imagine a lot of the horrible movies from big studios like Disney has to be from executive intervention
Executives see the success of minions and trolls and go damn we need that. We need our version of that with big money signs in their eyes while rubbing their hands together
@@clard That's actually 100% what happened with Wish and not due to AI as many thought.
It sucks because executives are people in suits that have no idea about art.
@@akira8393they oversimplify things into checkboxes and money, without understanding why or where they come from
Coraline turned out to be a childhood masterpiece of uncanny valley
not what uncanny valley means
@@meyague i think i used it correctly
@@axeandace7728 nope
@@meyague the definition of uncanny describes the feeling of unease you get when something appears human/normal but something is off. Quite literally the entire movie plot is uncanny, she goes to another world that is a copy of her own and everything seems normal yet some things are off because it is not actually real.
@@axeandace7728 you're using uncanny valley as a synonym for "mildly scary" and that's not correct, you're wrong. it's as simple as that. calling it uncanny valley would imply that it's repulsive to look at. use your brain.
We are in the second generation of kids loving this movie. This one still proves that kids can handle these kind of scenes when you got the propose on point the whole time. The frenetic scenes in kids movie just exists to make it more "entertaining". Laika really knows how to treat children, as the other studios, they don't treat them like "idiots" because they're not.
Yup! Their movies really are timeless, too. My 9 year old sister was terrified when we first watched Coraline...and then she asked if we could watch it again. Lol
Lol I was in the first generation but I agree
Yes, children don't just like fart joke slop. We like actual story and character development too.
Coraline, paranorman all laika films treated me as old as I felt inside as a kid.
Yeah.
There’s actually a Japanese concept all about ‘breathing room’ in a story to let ideas sink in. I’m pretty sure it’s called Ma and Studio Ghibli does a great job using it
Interesting too since Ghibli movies are adored by kids and adults the world over, and they aren't 100% frantic and fast paced! They have plenty of breathing room :)
@@perinnial9149 that's cause America and Canada (don't worry this isn't a MURICA BAD comment it's a western problem) think kids are braindead monkeys with 0 ability to think or be patient.
The thing with kids, is that their attention span is taught. The more you feed FAST hits and rushes of dopamine then the movies that are slow, like Coraline, won't hit.
It s so weird how America and Canada thinks kids behave when it's the opposite. They aren't mature, by ANY means, but kids are able to attach emotionally to movies. Heck, Star Wars was huge with kids when it came out first. So clearly we had the ability.
Lately, thanks to tiktok and now shorts on UA-cam, they are just not learning how to focus cause nothing lets them learn how to.
It's called good pacing.
YEAH!!!! American movies really should do it more!
This video made me think of Miyazaki too. I love the quiet moments in his films.
Coraline is damn near a masterpiece. Casting perfect. Animation so dope. But the story and the scary make it what it is.
It is a masterpiece. Probably the best work of stop motion ever
What do you mean "near" masterpiece?? 🤨
“It was considered too scary for kids” Yeah. That movie terrified me as a kid. Especially the spider mom, she was horrifying.
Same
Honestly the other mother being scary is kind of the whole point she’s supposed to be scary and she’s also supposed to be someone that little kids should fear because she’s a fear feeding entity (at least I think she is I haven’t actually seen the movie😅)
I am not scared and I am nine
@@FunWEstrella that’s fair
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not-
As a kid, not only did it make me feel a WIDE array of emotions, fear, laughter, sadness, gratitude, wonder, and admiration at the animation cuz it's amazing, but the themes made me very grateful for my family.
Finally someone else thought about this aspect. every time this movie was brought up ppl say how they were scared as a kid…
Real…
Yup. I've always seen it as a cautionary tale for children, because predators in real life often try to groom and manipulate children into allowing them to harm them, basically the same way the beldam/Other Mother did. The love bombing, isolating her from her family, silencing her other people who would potentially help or warn Coraline (specifically Wybie), pointing out how her old life and real parents "aren't as good", waiting until later in the film to introduce her to the idea of staying forever and sewing buttons in her eyes, etc.
Stories like this are important for kids. It's a really great portrayal of how abusers rope in and keep their victims, and how even when you give in, you still don't get the things your abuser promised, because it was just bait to reel you in.
It really captures boredom perfectly, you actually feel it
I never once thought Coraline was slow as a kid, I was obsessed with soaking in the atmosphere
Even as a kid, I enjoyed that scene cuz I was like "haha I do that too!". The slower scenes allow audiences to not only learn more about the characters but also a chance to relate to em as well
Some of these companies are so materialistic and don't see the deeper meanings in simple little scenes like that. She's a kid!! That's the whole point! I love this film. Just outstanding!!❤
When they said the scene wasn't moving fast enough, that was the point. In childhood things often seem like they're moving slowly, you're bored, you want, need, something to happen. Even if you have to make it happen. That was exactly what Coraline was doing. That's what made it feel so authentic. So relatable. I'm glad they stood their ground and made it that way.
I’m below 18 and you just explained my entire childhood🙏
I love when film makers respect the intelligence and patience of their viewers.
If a children’s movie can’t also be appreciated for adults, then it’s not a good kids movie.
i love this movie, I watched it a million times as a child😭
When I first saw that scene,
I honestly thought. "That was random..." with a squinting face to match.
But then I realized it was a great precursor to Coraline's exploration.
Overexaggerating the door led to overexaggeration of the carpet, stair hopping, hanging on a door, even killing the bugs.
Showing that "boring" moment with the door really helped me process just how bored she was and what she felt she needed to do to cure it.
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I actually saw this movie when it came out in theaters in 3D as an adult and loved it so much, I wish there was a way for people to experience it in 3D now.
It was re-released in theaters on 3D last week and it is still in theaters on 3D. I saw it last week on 3D and it was a pretty cool experience. And I haven't seen it in its original theatrical run.
There's a DVD copy you can get that comes with the 3D glasses, easily findable online. I still have my copy from childhood and the glasses are hiding somewhere in my sewing box
How fitting. @@mothlight5483
That sounds terrifying...I love it
Yeah people forget this movie was sort of designed to be in 3D, there are some scenes where objects or characters are intentionally moved towards the screen to take advantage of the 3D effect.
Its precisely the "it's too scary for kids" that made it a core memory for us lmfao
Proof that hollywood has no idea what they're doing. Just let creators do what they want and we get masterpieces like this
I love this film SO MUCH because of scenes like this. They didn’t have to include them, but they did and it makes it feel that much more real
The door scene is iconic! It shows how bored she is, and how quickly it annoyed the dad. A bored child will find enjoyment in the most bizarre ways.
Everything about Coraline just proves why executives should not be in charge of movies. I don't let my children watch modern movies because they are frantic and hyperactive and we're just teaching children that that's how they should be. It's bad for your brain and it's bad storytelling. It doesn't build any atmosphere and leaves no impact on you.
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dude there are tons of good modern movies lol, stop clutching your pearls. the movies in your childhood are not inherently than the ones in theirs lmao, that is such a boomer thing to say smh man :/
Well, in my family Coraline was considered as a horror movie that could damage my immature mind until the age of 13+-
@@highdefinition450kinda agree on this yeah,
Like spiderverse 1 and 2, puss in boots 2 are some great examples here
I suppose your kids like Ghibli movies?
It's the slow scenes that made Coraline cozy and relatable (imo). we all had moments where we were bored as a kid and had nothing or nobody so you wandered around doing random stuff like playing with the door
I remembered seeing this movie really disturbing when I was a kid
I agree!
The big bosses need to understand that just because something is animated, it doesn't have to be... like... loud and fast and stupid!
The fact that the Studio thought the door scene was "boring" and wanted things to go faster is just proof that the people at the top shouldn't be making creative decisions. Let the director/writers cook.
Or they're the ones who are undiagnosed with adult adhd!
@ShadowSkyX nah the execs are just dumb and greedy. i've been diagnosed with adhd since childhood and also loved this movie since childhood. in fact, i really related to coraline's character partially bc of my adhd.
Coraline scared the absolute crap out of me as a kid...even as an adult i feel the same way
still one of the best tho swee
The movie is so good that you can enjoy it at most ages.
“Too scary for kids but not scary enough for older teens and adults” I’ve watched Coraline almost everyday because it’s just an uneasy but comforting movie. Coraline is just a perfect movie for rainy days or when you’re stressed. I’m so glad this movie was created so I could watch it everyday 😌
Coraline instilled some deep fear in me as a child that has not left me to this day. I should not be as scared of the "other mother" as I am but that part where she becomes that wierd ass spider still freaks me out, I'm not even scared of spiders.
“It’s not gonna work man idk”
*makes literately the best movie ever in existence*
Honestly, love that they took these details into consideration. Coraline is such a classic and iconic movie! One of my favorites
Why are people concerned that its "too boring"
Its a movie, not UA-cam shorts. people can last those few seconds
Thank god they stuck to their guns. I HATE movies that constantly have the need to have something happening, when they forget that silence IS a something that happens, and it’s far more powerful than fidgeting more and more.
It's the brainrot epidemic.
“Not scary enough for teens and adults”not my 45 year old mom being scared of coraline 😭😭
The whole movie is a work of art. Im in my 40s and I still watch it on rainy saturdays. The music is beautiful as well throughout the movie. The actress who played Coraline should have been played by an unknown which would have added to the mystique of the film.
Imagine making a movie and you're finally finished. Your masterpiece is finally complete and then the god damn executives just go "GO FASTER THIS IS BORING" like they're children
I would slap them because that's a dumb move.
In essence some of them are gigantic babies and I think if they’re going to act like children we should treat them as such and say in a loud voice “NO! LEAVE IT ALONE!” and speaking of which they literally are babies because they ruin everything they touch and I do mean everything😡
This is why the train scene in spirited away is so good. It gives you a second away from the action to process everything.
I think there was a moment in howl's moving castle, there's an entire scene of someone making breakfast. The sound design is perfection, for one, and from my memory, there was no extra music. It's just a cozy moment of watching and listening to them cracking and sizzling eggs and such. It was mesmerizing.
The whole movie was so good idk what ppl mean by not scary or not scary enough it was perfect😭
I don't knock down the history of the place but I (as someone who wants to become an indi puppet and stop motion creator) I personally don't think Hollywood has a place anymore (speaking from purely an animation standpoint) Due to the things their doing to cause harm and the things their not doing to help.
I hope this makes sense
It does make sense Hollywoods time is up, they had their time in the Spotlight with Animation.
@TheRadioknight yeah honestly. I'm unsure if puppetry fall under animation and if it does I belive very very technically it does.
But besides the point in the right hands puppetry can be such a beautiful art form to see. But the big wigs say it isn't money efficient .......
@@Littlebleedingheart it's the people paying that are not paying for it
I very disagree with that
@ninjaepic2095 what do you mean? I've seen people working in the field(puppetry) say how difficult it is due to the higher-ups saying how much time and money it takes for a film let alone a series .
No way, it's actions like that that bring charaacters alive, makes them human and relatable in ways beyond the emotional turmoil of the plot.
that’s why I always loved Coraline. You can just tell that the authors don’t think that kids are stupid
Slow scenes are entirely necessary when it gives a realistic and purposeful feel, swinging the door is something a kid would do to consider leaving or grabbing a parent's attention. Also I find it more fun when kids movies can still be entertaining even as an adult; ratatouille, tangled, beauty and the beast, etc.
that scene was unironically really funny cause that's exactly what it's like being bored as a kid
YES! It's so relatable!😂😂😂
That's exactly why I love corline it's such a good movie
That film is the definition of perfection. That moment is so accurately portraying a bored child, and the scene where she hangs off of the top of the door as it opens... I ADORE THIS FILM
The pacing makes it eerie and gloomy which adds everything to the film.
I love it.
Coraline: *squeaks door*
Hollywood executives: NOOOOOOOOO!!!
I love this movie! My boy loved it when he was little. My daughter will probably like it when she watches it for the first time. I think most modern stuff is wayyyy too fast paced & flashy. The pace of this work of art was well calculated.
When suits have decision making powers they make a lot of the slop you see nowadays.
Just because a suit got a job doesn’t mean they deserved that job
Coraline was soo creepy when I watched as a kid
I had nightmares, I still kept going back to watch it
Watched it recently, and I still love it
And that is why we love this cartoon so much, these warm moments 💖
It's true that a lot of modern animated movies are too fast paced, with wacky joke moments that don't add anything to the story
1.) Too scary for kids: I can't say how close to the film is to the source material but I recall hearing that the author of the book tested his work by having a friend who was a parent read it to their kid. The friend would stop whenever they saw the kid getting scared by the story but everytime they did the kid would ask to keep going because they wanted to know what happened.
2.) Not enough for teens: I went to the movies when it was rereleased for the remastered 3D and the theater was full of emo kids.
It's close-ish. The book is scarier and Whyborn doesn't exist in it.
My partner had never seen coraline before at 27 y/o and I put it on for us last fall. He loves scary movies and is quite picky, but he was so surprised by how scary it actually was “for a kids movie”
I love everything about Coraline, I’m happy they kept that!
Damm, coralines dad is doing the gamer neck hardcore
I love that I found it terrifying as a child but now it’s my favorite comfort movie as an adult!!!
Bruh i remember i watched coraline it was one of the scariest movies ever 😭
I loved Coraline for how slow it was. Life right now is so frantic and chaotic, it's turning people into angry monsters. Not even exaggerating...life moves so quick right now EVERYONE is in a hurry. I wish we'd just slow the fuck down.
Imagine how many movies have been ruined by higher ups demanding ridiculous things because they are insanely out of touch with what filmgoers ACTUALLY want.
One of my favorites when I was a kid
Ya know, it's these kinds of little nitpicking that makes me happy to know that executives are now getting what they want, and they are failing box office numbers because they can't help sticking their nose into creative visions. It's the difference between Renaissance Disney / Pixar, and modern Disney / Pixar
I loved it! I loved the fact that it's slow and just gives out like it's not giving frantic
It's kinda like how dark crystal was thought to be scary
Well, when you're a small child, giant beetle monsters and cute Muppets having their life drained is scary.
Granted some scenes are but it’s immediately followed by something kind of funny afterwards to break up that tension and make it seem less scary
Love Coraline to this day and this scene even as a kid made me laugh
I was around 20yrs old when Coraline came out in theaters and I loved this movie. Still do. I recently listened to it on Audible just a few weeks ago. Sometimes the execs don’t know what they’re talking about.
Fuck Hollywood. Scenes like this is what we want!!!!
More like fuck executives, they’re the ones that mess with the artists interpretations to make sure they maximize the profits, which ends up hurting the quality of the film itself. They’re not artistically talented enough to realize why most of the things artists do are done purposefully for the bigger picture. Not all, but most out of touch executives fall in this type of category.
I sear to god executives are aliens & everything we hate in movies were all their ideas. 😂
It always felt like a bored child trying to get a parent’s attention.
"Too scary for kids"? Man i watched that movie since i was like 3 or a little more years old- 😭
First and I LOVVVEEE CORALINEEE
This will always be one of my favorite movies. My daughter watched it everyday for a year. I never got sick of it. It's beautiful. It encapsulates the strangeness of the duality of becoming a tween. That in-between where you're not yet grown out of playing pretend, but you're definitely not a little kid anymore.
This is the scene where the meme came from
Coralline was my childhood
This movie is absolutely amazing. That scene in specific is excellent for
1) showing Coraline’s mischievous personality
2) showing her restlessness
3) showing her loneliness and boredom
As an autistic, the amount of breathing room in this movie is actually so refreshing and it’s one of my favourite movies of all time
As a kid myself when it was first realized: yes, it is too scary for small kids😐
coraline is srsly such a beautiful creation. i’m so glad i grew up with it. one of my favorite movies and always will b
My favourite character, her outfits, the garden..I’ve watched Coraline hundreds of times❤
It’s those little details that makes you love this film💖
It's my childhood and definitely one of my favorites, scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. Loved it ever since!!
My mom was terrified of this movie. My eyes were glued to the screen, I was silent and fascinated. It was the cobweb scene and I couldn’t be more interested. I was scared of spiders but the movie looked more cool than scary to me.
There were a lot of kids that LOVED spooky things while other kids may not have; and we greatly appreciated Coraline
I always laugh at that scene! I absolutely adore this movie! 🐈⬛💙🐈⬛💙🐈⬛💙🐈⬛
I have never watched Coraline because when I was like 4 I convinced myself it was a horror movie
Moral of the story:
Executives don't know shit about writing
I love Coraline bro. My all time favorite movie for sure
If an executive tells you how to do your job, just nod and ignore them. 9 times out of 10, it's just some guy's kid in a suit who's got 0 experience.
Its one of the iconic scenes, especially after she imitated her mom. My mother also loved the movie and so did we as children.