Literally the BEST Audio System for Sony A7III and A6600! Sony K3M!
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2020
- Today we're talking about the Sony K3M which is the absolute best audio system you could ever find for the Sony A7III, A6600 and other Sony Alpha Cameras. It will seriously shock and impress you with how good it can sound with almost no effort and its totally changed my audio processing here in the studio.
So does it live up to the hype?
Lets find out!
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Thanks for this comparison. Been debating on whether getting this or the Mix Pre 3. I'm getting the Mix Pre 3 :)
These look really useful when you need to plug into a soundboard (like at events to connect to a PA system), usually you'd need something with XLR built in like the canon c100/200/300 or Sony fs5/7 etc.
One thing I did notice watching your video the Sony has the option to plug in the larger jack mount into the XLR plugs, WHICH is super useful because at events with mixers often the XLR outputs they use get used up and there's only jack outputs left for me to use with a camera. You can get adapters but in a rush to be able to ask a sound guy for a feed and plug in either input is very useful.
That audio sounds really good. I am going to have to look into this further.
Sold. Thank you!
Thoroughly outstanding video, brother! Happy new subscriber here. 💛🙏🏼
Nice Job Pops! very entertaining and informative.. I dont use Sony, but I sure take note of how good the audio is, and how we all need to strive for better audio.. Thats my biggest problem every day too.. getting good audio in the airplane.. It has killed several of my vids when something isn't right.. keep it up! Goose.
Great job on the video! Thanks for making it Just now ordered one because it was on clearance at Best Buy and I had coupons that got my price (after tax) was under $500.
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Good job man!
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Lmao!!!! Dogz... did you fly out of the studio??!!! My God are you fantastic. Great video. I'm convinced. I'm cracking the piggie bank.
Excellent review/test! You get my like & subscribe. So many camera channels seem to get lost in the amount of megapixels, slow motion, bitrates and color depths.... They've come to the point where they don't even talk about audio anymore, let alone test it. And if they do 'test' it, they seem to always find a way to make it as useless as possible... And then there's this clip which not only tests it in a meaningful way, but compares it to one of the best audio recorders on the planet too for reference. Did you do any noise reduction on these clips by the way? Oh and there's one little thing... if you want us to hear for ourselves how clean the unit sounds, don't forget to stop talking for a second too eh ;) Cheers!
I'm familiar with the K1m and k2m. Does this k3m somehow allow you to use both XLR inputs and that 3.5mm input at the same time, or is it just one or the other? If It does allow for 3 simultaneous inputs how is that broken down into the 2 channels on the A7iii? Great video. Thanks
Totally impressed. To be honest I've been looking for the solution to set up audio recording for interviews & documentaries which would be really compact (travelling), no post production, high quality and will also allow to record 3-4 people at once! I've been watching videos for 3 days straight and it became really confusing: wireless lav set ups, wired lavs, mixers and so on. I almost gave up and sought out to get just 4 of Taskam dr-10l (which is expensive) - but that's not only 4 batteris but also a syncing in post would be just a pain in the... since a project is travel-based. But now I've found your video and man I'm excited. Seems this is the best set-up for Sony a6600. Now I can just get a shotgun audio-technica and 3 lav mics. No synching, no batteries, no external mixers and stuff! Only gonna get zoom h1 for a backup sound and that's it. Awesome, thank you!
What did you end up deciding?
Where do thr lav mics connect?
If you need a strong version of this, then XLR-K1M is the strongest of the lot. That is more or less a version of the detachable handle of the NX70 professional camcorder which was the professional version of the HDR-CX700 handycam. It was originally made for the VG30. It is solid but the K2M was launched which is very plastic but much lighter for mirrorless cameras. Now the K3M with some extra features and an extension cable which effectively resurrects the flexibility of the K1M with the compactness of the K2M. With regards to the K3M, I wonder why Sony didn't also include a headphone jack for all of those mirrorless cameras that support these accessories but stupidly don't have a headphone jack. If you care enough about audio to be using a professional XLR input, then you will most definitely want to be monitoring that audio with headphones.
Great review. Have you ever tried recording audio with an external boom mic plugged into the Sony K3M to a Sony A7III? I'd be curious to know if you're tried this or know if it would work?
Also were you using the included mic for the "vlogging" clip?
I'd love to see you compare those two products with the adapter to get the H6 on top of the camera
Great review. For two person trade show indoor interviews from 5-10 feet away from the camera, do you feel the mic will be effective in picking up two voices with my Sony Zv-e10? I travel alot pre pandemic so portability is key. I have a Saramonic Blink but it is USB c and the usb c doesn't work with the Sony zv e10 for some reason.
Hi,
Can you still flip up the screen with the KM3 on the top? Obviously, your vision of the screen (when vlogging) would be somewhat impaired, but is it still physically possible to totally flip up the screen while the KM3 is on top?
Thanks.
Recording to MixPre is worth the effort. Recording to a dedicated external recorder especially to ones as good as the SoundDevices MixPre always allows for better sound.
How does the ECM-B1m compare to the XLR-K3M?
To be honest, you should be comparing microphones not the interface. Comparing this module with a microphone is not really worth your effort. With the K3M you have the ability to connect any XLR microphone from the cheap (but reasonably good SONY ECM-XM1) one included with this set and many other Sony professional camcorders to very high end microphones of all shapes and sizes. The ECM-B1M gives you a compact and convenient microphone and that is the key point. Microphones should always, always, ALWAYS be close to the source of the audio to sound the best. So if you are going to be a distance from your camera, then a shotgun mic mounted on the camera is not going to sound that wonderful and so you should be looking at some kind of wireless system or a long XLR cable to extend the distance and bring the mic in closer.
Hey! Sorry for the rookie question: I’m not sure if I understand the whole functionality of the K3M… Is it main that is it an adapter to use XLR/phantom power mics with your Sony camera… Or does it also provide superior preamps and sound procesing?
Good demo. You talk about not using a lavalier mic, but part of the point of this is you can use a wireless lav going to one of the XLR ports. I will prob go with Sony just because of this. I used the older version 10+ years with a Sony camcorder.
Hey man, thanks for the video, I have the FX3 but no mic, just an old Rode Video Mic, non pro, that is pretty beat up and I want to get a shotgun mic, what would you suggest for a good "Budget" mic that I could use with the FX3 handle that has this same unit? I am just getting into audio and wanted something to start out with it without spending a ton of money? Any good suggestions? Looking at the Syncho Mic D2, my "problem" is, sometimes I might not want to use the FX3 handle and not sure if the FX3 has phantom power if I decided to use an XLR adaptor to mini directly to the camera...? Thanks for any suggestions man, I would appreciate it!! I would be filming mainly outdoors or on locations and run and gunning...
Hey, I noticed that when you tested the device, you used the mic AT875R indoor and then the ecm-xm1 outdoor. Any reason for that? I was trying to decide which one of these 2 mics to get. The audio technica one is about $100 more with taxes, does it worth the extra money or should I get the XM1? Any recommendations?
I mean, it's clean, but it's peaking every time you are even mildly enthused, so might be worse if set up with good range? Did you use digital with auto level? I'm curious if that will take the peaks a bit?
I was planning on getting the Sony a6600. I see the Fuji XT4 and a lot of people saying Fuji is a better all around camera. I'm new to all of this and leaning. I need a good camera for my UA-cam channel and for taking nice photos and creating short videos as well. So still leaning about these powerful cameras and devices and accessories. Peace and love
Go with Sony a6400 and invest on ur lens.
If you use it with an A7iii does it still talk to the K3M just analog or do you have to connect it to the camera's mic input through 3.5mm?
Where do you have the mic placed in this video? Overhead or on the camera itself?
your videows are soo good
Thanks so much!
For 600USD you can get a 32bit audio recorder that's also a desktop interface has duel audio recording and run a line to the camera and one click sync in post.
On the other hand, you get a 24bit (or is it 16) recorder unit that costs 100-200 less is limited to sony and no preroll.
MixPre 3-II wins here.
But personally id get both.
I’d buy the K3M for the convenience. No need to sync in post, phantom power, digital..
Really great video! In terms of overall audio quality: do you recommend the K3M or the DMW-XLR1?
I currently own a GH5, G9, S1, and A7R IV
Amazing that it has a quarter inch jack in compared to Panasonic competitor, but it really lacks a high-z (instrumental) input to plug in a guitar. With it it is almost a good audio interface for streams though it doesn't have a PC playback when connected with a capture card to a PC, but now companies add a webcam functionality via usb that may solve this. Other problem is monitoring on, say, sony a6400 as it has no headphone jack.
Hello. I'm having issues with my audio. I'm using SARAMONIC and rode wireless go but audio is very static, sounds awful. Sony repair said its only recording one channel. Do you know or have heard of this? Is this somewhere in the settings? Thanks!
Railfanning is a very popular hobby which involves filming actual trains. In your opinion, if you wanted to video trains in 4K, would you do it with the new digital SLRs or a professional camcorder like the Sony FDR AX700?
EXCELLENT!!!
Thanks for video!!! But I have one question. Sony a7III with XLR-K3M can record sound from 3 microphones (2XLR and 1 miniJack) at the same time or not?
So does AT875R fit nicely into that K3M mount. What's the difference between this and ECM-XM1? Should I get an AT875R with K3M to get a better audio? Thanks!
Is it any good for live recording like - waterfalls , ambience etc
Do you get a sense of L and R with this mic? How do you know when it's upright and in centered? Even though it's 1 channel mono.
hi! i have a question, on Sony webpage it says its only compatible in analog mode? what is the diference? do you need an extra cabe to plug into the mic input of the camera?
what mic to get for k3m when i got it with sony fx3, without mic included? the one the xlr kit has the ecm mic, is a very old mic, only sold as used. any suggested xlr shotgun mic to combine with the k3m? thanks
Do you recomend this mic for car videos ?
Is it me or you said that, with the mix pre-iii, there's a certain way to link it to the sony camera so the audio files is directly sync into the video file (so no sync in post ?)
Could you clarify this please ?
Yes, that is what I do. You can record internally to the mic pre-iii AND/OR send analog audio out of the mic pre-iii to the audio in of your camera. The audio and video in the camera will be in sync and sound great.
Could this mic shoot externally or only adapted with the camera
Thank you very much for the video, I bought the same Sony XLR K3M system and watched your video, can you use 3 microphones at the same time? System has 3 inputs in1 in2 in3, but if you can select only IN3 or (IN1+ IN2) or only IN1, there is no possibility that all 3 select IN1 + IN2 + In3 together. I would be very grateful for your reply. Kind regards Farnoud
If you want to add the KM3 to a cage then how do I connect the KM3 to Sony A7S III?
It work with the Sony a6500 too?
I don't see any video test with the Sony a6500 yet.
Dang it I need this! lol 😂 well I want this, but then I would need to get a nice XLR mic too 🤣
Try the Sennheiser XE64
The reason why I am asking is because I will have my Sony A6600 connected to my H-8 Zoom recorder and I want to know if I should still sync the audio recording from the H-8.
What lens were you using when "vlogging"?
damn this sounds damn good
Can it record stereo audio inside a concert room. I have a canon dm 100 which work as either shotgun, stereo 90 or 120 . What is the equivalent?
Can't find an answer anywhere to this: if I'm using an A7iii, am I right to think that the K2M offers essentially the same features as the K3M? I understand the K3M comes with a slightly upgraded shotgun mic, but if I can pick up a K2M and a rode shotgun for the same price as the K3M, is that a better option for earlier Alpha models not compatible with digital audio recording?
I think the K2M only has two audio inputs as well.
Great video! Would the k3m or the Panasonic version be enough to drive an Sm7b? With a cloudlifter only, no other interface?
I don’t know, I don’t really like the sm7b that much, I’d go with a shotgun instead.
@@TheEverydayDad Alrighty :D
You'd want a cloudlifer still if you have to use such a mic.
Nice one . Need to get that thing right now. Haha
It’s really awesome!
is the K3M system compatible with the Rode NTG-5?
Can DJI also work well with the A7iii
Is it really working with the A7III? Because of the different hot shoe in comparison to the newer cameras
As an owner of this, it blocks the screen, even with the adapter. The audio though, is nothing short of awesome.
Unsure whether to return, or buy a secondary mic, when not using it as a webcam stylee shoot (so plugged into an external monitor etc.)
Canon XA50 or Sony AX700 with the this xlr audio setup???
Can you use this for a one man podcast with the shure sm7b??
Fuji need to market this kind of audio solution.
Everybody does, canon would be on fire with something like this 👍
Does it let you record to the hot shoe for the a7iii? I thought that was only a feature on the A7IV
Yes you can! but no digital mode.
Do you think Zoom H6 would record better sound directly to the A6600 via line out of Zoom H6 or not?
Does it work with the ZV-1??
Please do a review on Sony's ax43
Can a boom mic work with the sony a73
Can i use the rode NTG3 mic with this unit ?
Excellent
Thanks!
It’s the same pro grade mic that ships with the FS7/FS7II
Does it work on the Sony A7ii?
What LAV mics do you recommend to use with K3M?
+1
Can I connect 3 Rode wireless Gos to this?
I keep watching his videos.
Hope they are worth watching 😁👍
@@TheEverydayDad They are
I just got the K3M for 200$ !! And I love it!
How did you get it so cheaply?
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While the KM3 is great, especially when tightly integrated in the handle of the FX3, the MixPre II is worlds apart regarding capabilities. I know you know this but from this comparison peps could have the impression that the MixPre II uses some form of Limiter to protect audio from clipping. Which of course it has for 24bit audio. But the big thing is 32bit float, which is a lifesaver if you record anything critical and unique. And there are tons of other things that make the MixPre II an outstanding audio recorder.
I guess I'll get the Sony FX3 (since it's $200 cheaper than getting an A7S III + K3M). I want to do 2-camera videos. I've been waiting for Sony to make an APS-C camera with 10-bit color. But I'm tired of waiting. I don't want to make my workflow more complicated, so I guess that means I'm getting another Ninja V and two AtomX Sync thingies. That's $4,795 on my B&H card - before I even eBay a full-frame lens! And I blame you.
Have you ever tried to use the Panasonic one,with one of the lower end semi pro cameras. Like the g85 or g95?
It won’t work with them, only GH5/s and the S1 cameras.
@@TheEverydayDad I am going to have to upgrade my setup. That audio sounds so so clean. Thanks for the video and info. Hope the Panasonic one is just as good as the Sony one.
What I'd like to know is if there is a difference between the analog and the digital output of this device. The A6600 only accepts the analog signal - what a mistake from Sony.
As I understand correctly, external recorders can record in a 24bit codec, which gives you a lot of headroom in post processing, instead of 16bit in camera.
However, it's a very nice device. Would love to see xlr inputs in dslm cameras, though.
Thank you for the video.
Pretty sure the a6600 and newer does digital.
K3M!!
What is the audio bit rate and sample rate on a Sony A6600? I have had a hard time getting these specs.
It's 48khz 16 bit PCM.
Honestly, I didn't expect to hear any difference on mediocre built in monitor speakers. I was mistaken...interesting.
Can anyone answer a question for me? Is this to large to vlog with was thinking about getting it for the Sony A6600 but would have to relocate it so I can still see the flip up screen. Is this possible? Is it to big and bulky? Or would you recommend the ECM (and can that be relocated) Anyone?
It comes with an adapter that you can attach to the hot shoe mount, you can then buy an L bracket to put the XLR part off to the side.
Noooooo
We don’t want the purple gel filter on the background light.
Whoosh!
Which camera under $1,000 do you recommend for 4k videos? I create car reviews for my channel and I need to upgrade. I currently use my iPhone 📲 to shoot all my videos.
Maybe the A6400, you can get it and the kit lens for under $1000.
I use the A6600 and even with the wire extender, because the screen flips up and not to the side, the screen is still blocked.
:(
If you use it with an A6600 does it still talk to the K3M just analog or do you have to connect it to the camera's mic input through 3.5mm?
Too be honest I don't know. I decided to buy the Sarmonic Blink 500 B2 system and it works great. Super light and really good sound quality.
There are Sennheiser and Rode wireless alternatives that will deliver far better sound under more conditions and at a lower price for the A6600 and other A6xxx cameras.
The paradox of the commentary at the beginning saying this is *For any sony Camera and its triple amazing*
No, not really... this thing alone cost more than triple the price of my Camera, it's clearly only for high end users at 750$ + any wire and adapters that's 1k 🤔
But yes, it's a great tool!
Holy $550 addon.
You are by far and away my favorite channel on UA-cam. Now, in that context, read this.
Congratulations. You have officially gotten too big for your britches. This device should be so low on the list of most of the people that watch your channel, that it shouldn't even get a second thought until they reach 100k+ subscribers. Even then and oftentimes, an quality external recorder is a much better long-term investment for almost any content creator, especially given that this device's obsolescence is controlled totally by its manufacturer.
If they need anything, get a DR-40X and put a nice payment forward on a Sigma prime. Yes please.
I'm sure it's a very meritorious device, but do most people need it? No. Not at all.
I appreciate the preface but I disagree. I spent a long time only using the gh5 and the dmw xlr 1.
I agree recorders are more versatile but if you only record audio internal to your camera I vastly prefer these xlr devices.
But different preferences for everyone 👍
@@TheEverydayDad This may be great for my A6600 and (maybe?) my a6300, but if you have adapters for my 80D and EOS R, that'd be great. :)
Interesting note. It didn't appear to be on your own radar screen until you surpassed 100k subscribers either, and we all know audio is your thing (Which it should be, BTW.).
Well that’s true this specific device didn’t get bought until I was around 90k subscribers but I’ve used the Panasonic version for almost a year and a half.
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And 2 years later, STILL can’t buy this anywhere. It has never been in stock since it came out
Can’t believe the Rode VideoMic Pro Plus sounds so bad. I own the non Plus version and the audio I get from it is excellent
It’s not that it sounds bad, it’s that comparatively it’s not the same as xlr audio.
ok ok i sware paid before the video ended