I've got one of these coming next Wednesday. I will set it up the way u set yours up. Ty so much for the info and the time u took to explain everything. Much appreciated!!
Hey Jon, I just wanted to let you know that Light Systems expander does not need the dongle to be set up, it just makes it easier. All of the settings can be accessed via the button on the expander unit.
The F22 has been my favorite aircraft since CAP in high school. I’ve always wanted one that was good to fly and showcased the performance of the real deal. There are only two f22 models that meet this requirement: the t-one f22 and this one, and the t-one is 20x more expensive. I have two of these. One brand new in box, and one I’ve added thrust vectoring to. I’ve set up this plane so well that any advanced pilot would be excited to make her laugh at gravity. Problem is, I’m not a pilot capable of doing this plane justice. So until I’m maverick, I’m stuck with my aeroscout. I will learn to fly, even if it takes me years and a dozen aircraft.
another great review man! Love the details and love seeing you taking it to the next level, good job! For some reason, I get very bad flight times with my F-22, about 3-3.5mins even after switching to the 1960kv 6s motor :(
Nicely done, Jon! I do have to disagree on the stock landing score, though. The wheels may be hard and the suspension stiff, but it is still the easiest landing EDF I own. On an all stock setup with full flaps, the F22 settles into a beautiful nose up attitude on approach every single time. I have never found the F22 to have really any bad tendencies when landing, come to think of it. Hard wheels and stiff suspension doesn't seem like enough to give it the worst possible score in your chart; especially when the F22 can be landed so slow and soft, that it doesn't ever seem to come into play on my asphalt landings.
Might've been a bit harsh there for sure, but that's what having a gear leg ripped out on grass will do to ya. Hence why every scoring system is always an opinion and not fact lol
You guys got to get the 70mm next. Does not take off from grass but sure would love to see your mods for it. If you ever happnen to be up my way I will gladly donate it for the sake of getting a good video of it...
Great channel, the expert flying and camera work make this my favorite go-to channel when researching my next purchase. My flying skills are similar to yours, that being said, I’m leaning towards the 8s version. Do you have any recommendations between 6s and 8s? I don’t want it to lack in the vertical department.
I understand the Ace Combat Mobius reference, but is a base model Freewing F-22 only a Mobius once someone has upgraded to parts you've listed, and setup the bird to referenced settings provided?
Basically yeah. Otherwise it's not flying "Ace Combat Protagonist Level", feel us? Doesn't have to be the specific parts we're using, but you should absolutely get a neutral to slightly tail heavy CG and extensive gyro control if you're serious about making this thing fly like Mobius 1. 😉
This video is awesome! You never hold back! How do you like the Spektrum ix20 SE? I was going to get the ix14+ do you think the iX20 is worth it over the ix14+? I have had the ix12 since it came out and it still works but it's time for an upgrade. Going to hand down the ix12 to this kid at the field who flies with a cheap HobbyKing radio that always has issues.
We've owned the IX20SE since October of 2021. Easily our favorite radio by far. We also have the IX14 as a backup, and the NX8. The 20 is preferred because it has bigger sliders and a larger screen to work with for programming airplanes. The 14 is phenomenal for what it is, and is honestly probably all you'd ever need since it has 20 channels, two sliders, one knob, and almost all (except two) switches that the IX20 has. If you want to learn more about the radio, hop on Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc and ask in the #tech-and-setup channel. If you're considering one, you can support the channel at no additional cost via alnk.to/cHNB9Mt - but of course you owe us nothing, so whatever works best is what you should go with.
Great vid and thank you so much. I am on the fence between this Viper 90mm and the Motion RC F22 90mm 8s. Please give me your opinion on which one you would buy. Thank you in advance.
I once flew mine with no gyro (accidentally ) and battery back 2-3 inches ….even in low rates was way more than I could handle for what little skills I have …..it survived but barely
Whats the difference between as3x and a normal gyro? Cause i was plaining to try your set up for so much advantage. But u said only as3x can fly that tail heavy plane? the normal gyro cant do it?
AS3X+ has a very finely tuned algorithm for planes that's in the same league as expensive gyros like Demon Cortex. It's significantly better than the simple gyros that come with FMS planes, for example. We wouldn't recommend flying something tail heavy without it.
Ask Horizon, though it's doubtful you'll get an answer. They're not going to give you proprietary information lol All we can do is tell you how it feels to us.
Hi Jon, great final wrap up to an amazing jet. I just got mine last week and Im working on the setup now. Just wondering about the LG voltage, you said that the LG runs on 5.5V but the specs on the MotionRC site show them as 4.8-6v. Added to that the stock BEC gives out 6v as well to the entire setup… Am I missing something here? Thanks again, a.
Help! I purchased the 8s version. I want to know if using two 4s 6000 mah is the right lipos or would you suggest the 5000mah? Also would you use a EC5 series connector or EC5 series cables? thanks
Use what works for you. 4000 packs for less weight but reduced flight time. 5000 packs for more weight but increased flight time. The connector used is dictated by the battery/ESC plug you're using.
Great Video 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 When they say trainer, can someone who has never flown Jets but knows little how fly helicopters ( collective pitch )... Litte how fly Flying Wing... Can this F22 with the AS3X+ Be Flown Relatively Slow as Gyro Can Be Set To Always Stabalize... Dies the AS3X+ have ability to return plane home? Should I lose control, use one of channels or buttons to say fly home... I would love to get this in ready to fly package & just bind & fly ( BNF or PNP or RTF )... I can most likely go out to park & have someone more experience show me... Is the F22 Jet with AS3X+ In any simulators? Haven't touched RC Anything in over 12+ Years... Thanks in advance for any & all advice & suggestions... 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 Looked at Web Page, Saw: Product Specifications: AGE LEVEL : 18 and up SKILL LEVEL : Intermediate BUILD TIME : 3-4 Hours 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
>Can this F22 with the AS3X+ Be Flown Relatively Slow as Gyro Can Be Set To Always Stabilize... This is a complex subject that's summed up best as "yes, but no, depending on how you fly." >Dies the AS3X+ have ability to return plane home? AS3X+ is a gyro, not a flight controller. So, no. >Is the F22 Jet with AS3X+ In any simulators? Not that we know of.
@TwoBrosRC Thanks... I Know Slower planes are better for beginners... Because of Time to react: Slower planes give beginners more time to process the flight situation and make necessary adjustments with their controls, allowing them to build muscle memory gradually. Reduced stress: The slower speed reduces the pressure to react instantly, making the learning process less overwhelming. 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 Flying a fast RC plane can be challenging for beginners primarily because of the required quick reaction time needed to make adjustments, which heavily relies on developed muscle memory that takes time to build through practice... A beginner might not have the necessary muscle memory to react fast enough to correct errors at high speeds. Muscle memory and reaction time: When flying a fast plane, small corrections need to be made almost instantly to maintain control. This requires well-developed muscle memory, where your body automatically responds to stimuli without conscious thought, effectively decreasing reaction time. Learning curve: Beginners often struggle to develop this muscle memory quickly, leading to over-correction or delayed reactions when trying to adjust to sudden changes in flight path at high speeds. 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 Above Are Reasons Why I Take a Fast or Difficult To Fly Plane or Helicopter Very High & Fly Slow In Huge Elliptical Pattern... Because It Gives Me Enough Time To Recover Before There's a Danger of Crashing... Plus I know how to trim & adjust curve & response of each control on radio so it's softer, less responsive & reduce extreme ranges... Apologize if my jargon is incorrect... It's been awhile since touching anything RC... They Say It Takes 6 Channel Radio... I'd Get a 9 Channel for F22 in Video... 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 Maybe I'll Just Get One... Take It To Any Extremely Large & Wide Open Space... And Once All Servos Have Been Checked Out... Just Take It Up Very, Very High... And AS3X+ sold be able to level out flight & I can focus on going straight & making wide turns while gradually increasing speed...
Hey Jon, comment for you re: FMS plastic servos. I notice you mention them occasionally as a possible failure point- I'm sure they are weaker than metal, but recently I had an electrically busted FMS plastic servo, and out of curiosity, i just decided to grab the servo horn and yank it back and forth as hard as I could, and i wasnt able to strip the gears whatsoever. Maybe they're a bit more durable than we give them credit for?
It’s still my favorite plane. It’s the plane that got me to this channel!
Thanks for all the information and experiences about this awesome jet! 🥳👍
Thank YOU!
Saturday afternoon, a cup of coffee, and a new video from Jon. Legendary.
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Yeah, the setup is nuts but love your dedication. I doubt I’ll ever want to reach this level of “autonomy” but it shows what’s possible.
It's a lot of work but it's so worth it
Good stuff Jon, spectacular setup yeilds amazing results. Raptor is such a fitting designation for the F-22. AH
Like Saturday morning cartoon vibes ❤ thanks for more great content Jon !
I've got one of these coming next Wednesday. I will set it up the way u set yours up. Ty so much for the info and the time u took to explain everything. Much appreciated!!
Happy to help! Definitely hop on Discord if you're not already there. It'll be much easier to assist if you've got questions.
@TwoBrosRC Awesome! Will do!!
This was pure excellence. Well done as always.
Cheers, thanks!
Hey Jon, I just wanted to let you know that Light Systems expander does not need the dongle to be set up, it just makes it easier. All of the settings can be accessed via the button on the expander unit.
Good to know, thanks!
Your knowledge is impeccable 👏
And awesome its Mobius 1 themed, is one of the iconic protagonist aces of Ace Combat Series, an arcade game series on combat flying.
Very nice pilot and very nice plane
The F22 has been my favorite aircraft since CAP in high school. I’ve always wanted one that was good to fly and showcased the performance of the real deal. There are only two f22 models that meet this requirement: the t-one f22 and this one, and the t-one is 20x more expensive. I have two of these. One brand new in box, and one I’ve added thrust vectoring to. I’ve set up this plane so well that any advanced pilot would be excited to make her laugh at gravity. Problem is, I’m not a pilot capable of doing this plane justice. So until I’m maverick, I’m stuck with my aeroscout. I will learn to fly, even if it takes me years and a dozen aircraft.
You'll get there!
@ thank you for the encouragement. I lowkey need it
another great review man! Love the details and love seeing you taking it to the next level, good job!
For some reason, I get very bad flight times with my F-22, about 3-3.5mins even after switching to the 1960kv 6s motor :(
You flying nose heavy possibly?
@@TwoBrosRC hmmm compared to the stock CG I don’t think it is, I’ll check again tho. Compared to your setup it probably is 😁
Incredible 🎤!
Amazing.. nice plane
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 another great video
I like Jack of all trades and Master of all trades. Hence the title 'Grand Master of the skies'.
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Thanks for the video. I hope you guys weren’t effected by the hurricane nonsense. If you were, and need help, reach out to your viewers. Best of luck!
Nah, we're good in the piedmont of NC. All of western NC got messed up pretty hard though.
Almost as good as the Rafale !
Yeah, messing around !!
"is that a ribbon fighter?"
Nicely done, Jon! I do have to disagree on the stock landing score, though. The wheels may be hard and the suspension stiff, but it is still the easiest landing EDF I own. On an all stock setup with full flaps, the F22 settles into a beautiful nose up attitude on approach every single time. I have never found the F22 to have really any bad tendencies when landing, come to think of it. Hard wheels and stiff suspension doesn't seem like enough to give it the worst possible score in your chart; especially when the F22 can be landed so slow and soft, that it doesn't ever seem to come into play on my asphalt landings.
Might've been a bit harsh there for sure, but that's what having a gear leg ripped out on grass will do to ya. Hence why every scoring system is always an opinion and not fact lol
You guys got to get the 70mm next. Does not take off from grass but sure would love to see your mods for it. If you ever happnen to be up my way I will gladly donate it for the sake of getting a good video of it...
Gotta do the big Mig
One day.
Yes! My twin 80 mig is waiting for an upgrade
Great channel, the expert flying and camera work make this my favorite go-to channel when researching my next purchase. My flying skills are similar to yours, that being said, I’m leaning towards the 8s version. Do you have any recommendations between 6s and 8s? I don’t want it to lack in the vertical department.
If you want more overall thrust, the 8 cell setup is pretty good. The 6 cell setup is what we've stuck with to keep wing loading down.
I understand the Ace Combat Mobius reference, but is a base model Freewing F-22 only a Mobius once someone has upgraded to parts you've listed, and setup the bird to referenced settings provided?
Basically yeah. Otherwise it's not flying "Ace Combat Protagonist Level", feel us? Doesn't have to be the specific parts we're using, but you should absolutely get a neutral to slightly tail heavy CG and extensive gyro control if you're serious about making this thing fly like Mobius 1. 😉
@TwoBrosRC I feel ya! Lol thanks for clarifying!
This video is awesome! You never hold back! How do you like the Spektrum ix20 SE? I was going to get the ix14+ do you think the iX20 is worth it over the ix14+? I have had the ix12 since it came out and it still works but it's time for an upgrade. Going to hand down the ix12 to this kid at the field who flies with a cheap HobbyKing radio that always has issues.
We've owned the IX20SE since October of 2021. Easily our favorite radio by far. We also have the IX14 as a backup, and the NX8. The 20 is preferred because it has bigger sliders and a larger screen to work with for programming airplanes. The 14 is phenomenal for what it is, and is honestly probably all you'd ever need since it has 20 channels, two sliders, one knob, and almost all (except two) switches that the IX20 has. If you want to learn more about the radio, hop on Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc and ask in the #tech-and-setup channel.
If you're considering one, you can support the channel at no additional cost via alnk.to/cHNB9Mt - but of course you owe us nothing, so whatever works best is what you should go with.
Great vid and thank you so much. I am on the fence between this Viper 90mm and the Motion RC F22 90mm 8s. Please give me your opinion on which one you would buy. Thank you in advance.
Ask on Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc - that way you'll get the full picture.
Thanks for the great video! What was the total cost of this setup? The F-22 is my favorite jet and I would love to start getting into flying RC jets!
Roughly $568.92 for the replacement servos and channel expander and 10 channel receiver on top of the $599 plane. Worth it though!
@@TwoBrosRC so about $1200 total for the jet and upgrades. That’s not bad at all!!
I once flew mine with no gyro (accidentally ) and battery back 2-3 inches ….even in low rates was way more than I could handle for what little skills I have …..it survived but barely
Don't sell yourself short. If you can fly a neutral to tail heavy F-22 down to the ground safely, you're more skilled than you think!
Whats the difference between as3x and a normal gyro? Cause i was plaining to try your set up for so much advantage. But u said only as3x can fly that tail heavy plane? the normal gyro cant do it?
AS3X+ has a very finely tuned algorithm for planes that's in the same league as expensive gyros like Demon Cortex. It's significantly better than the simple gyros that come with FMS planes, for example. We wouldn't recommend flying something tail heavy without it.
@@TwoBrosRC How, isnt it all work like when the plane pitch up and the gyro pitch the elevator down? whats the difference
Ask Horizon, though it's doubtful you'll get an answer. They're not going to give you proprietary information lol
All we can do is tell you how it feels to us.
Fire plane, could you do a review on the F-4 phantom?
At some point perhaps!
Hello, what KMRC Afterburner kit did you use on Freewing F-22. Thanks! Great video
The universal one.
Hi Jon, great final wrap up to an amazing jet. I just got mine last week and Im working on the setup now. Just wondering about the LG voltage, you said that the LG runs on 5.5V but the specs on the MotionRC site show them as 4.8-6v. Added to that the stock BEC gives out 6v as well to the entire setup… Am I missing something here? Thanks again, a.
You can probably trust the site. Otherwise run the bypass we mentioned in the setup.
Help! I purchased the 8s version. I want to know if using two 4s 6000 mah is the right lipos or would you suggest the 5000mah? Also would you use a EC5 series connector or EC5 series cables? thanks
Use what works for you. 4000 packs for less weight but reduced flight time. 5000 packs for more weight but increased flight time. The connector used is dictated by the battery/ESC plug you're using.
Did you also change the landing gear struts to ones with better shocks on the Mobius Jet, in addition to replacing with Du-Bro wheels?
Nope, just the wheels. They make a massive difference in suspension by themselves.
Can you do a twin 90mm freewing A-10 next?
Not really in our budget at the moment.
Did you will try the new 80mm ?
Soon!
Can you make turns while in high alpha with this or any of your other EDFs?
Yes, but the runway corridor isn't wide enough to safely do it with the F-22 while inverted.
1:07 are….are we sure you’re not a fan? 😅
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@@TwoBrosRC I’ve never seen anyone modify foam jets to the extent you do
Installing an aftermarket TV system is the limit of that we'll modify lol
Any chance you’d do the new 70mm? 🙏🏼😁
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Why not use Robart rubber treaded wheels?
Got a link?
@@TwoBrosRC robart manufacturing..
When will the be a v2?
No idea.
Just ordered my F22 90mm about 30mins ago🎉
Enjoy! You're gonna love it!
HI! Discord Handle is?? Can't find u on there. Ty!
Jon doesn't accept DMs on Discord. Join up via discord.gg/twobrosrc
@@TwoBrosRC Got it! Ty so much!
Dual DF or not?
???
Great Video
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When they say trainer, can someone who has never flown Jets but knows little how fly helicopters ( collective pitch )...
Litte how fly
Flying Wing...
Can this F22 with the AS3X+ Be Flown Relatively Slow as Gyro Can Be Set To Always Stabalize...
Dies the AS3X+ have ability to return plane home?
Should I lose control, use one of channels or buttons to say fly home...
I would love to get this in ready to fly package & just bind & fly ( BNF or PNP or RTF )...
I can most likely go out to park & have someone more experience show me...
Is the F22 Jet with AS3X+ In any simulators?
Haven't touched RC Anything in over 12+ Years...
Thanks in advance for any & all advice & suggestions...
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Looked at Web Page, Saw:
Product Specifications:
AGE LEVEL :
18 and up
SKILL LEVEL :
Intermediate
BUILD TIME :
3-4 Hours
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>Can this F22 with the AS3X+ Be Flown Relatively Slow as Gyro Can Be Set To Always Stabilize...
This is a complex subject that's summed up best as "yes, but no, depending on how you fly."
>Dies the AS3X+ have ability to return plane home?
AS3X+ is a gyro, not a flight controller. So, no.
>Is the F22 Jet with AS3X+ In any simulators?
Not that we know of.
@TwoBrosRC
Thanks...
I Know
Slower planes are better for beginners...
Because of Time to react:
Slower planes give beginners more time to process the flight situation and make necessary adjustments with their controls, allowing them to build muscle memory gradually.
Reduced stress:
The slower speed reduces the pressure to react instantly, making the learning process less overwhelming.
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Flying a fast RC plane can be challenging for beginners primarily because of the required quick reaction time needed to make adjustments, which heavily relies on developed muscle memory that takes time to build through practice...
A beginner might not have the necessary muscle memory to react fast enough to correct errors at high speeds.
Muscle memory and reaction time:
When flying a fast plane, small corrections need to be made almost instantly to maintain control. This requires well-developed muscle memory, where your body automatically responds to stimuli without conscious thought, effectively decreasing reaction time.
Learning curve:
Beginners often struggle to develop this muscle memory quickly, leading to over-correction or delayed reactions when trying to adjust to sudden changes in flight path at high speeds.
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Above Are Reasons Why I Take a Fast or Difficult To Fly Plane or Helicopter Very High & Fly Slow In Huge Elliptical Pattern...
Because It Gives Me Enough Time To Recover Before There's a Danger of Crashing...
Plus I know how to trim & adjust curve & response of each control on radio so it's softer, less responsive & reduce extreme ranges...
Apologize if my jargon is incorrect...
It's been awhile since touching anything RC...
They Say It Takes 6 Channel Radio...
I'd Get a 9 Channel for F22 in Video...
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Maybe I'll Just Get One...
Take It To Any Extremely Large & Wide Open Space...
And Once All Servos Have Been Checked Out...
Just Take It Up Very, Very High...
And AS3X+ sold be able to level out flight & I can focus on going straight & making wide turns while gradually increasing speed...
First here! 🎉😅
Too fast
Whatever that means lol
Can I buy one send it to you and you set it up. 😊 love watching. All you videos. Hrs. Hrs. Lol
Wish we had that kinda time.
Hey Jon, comment for you re: FMS plastic servos.
I notice you mention them occasionally as a possible failure point- I'm sure they are weaker than metal, but recently I had an electrically busted FMS plastic servo, and out of curiosity, i just decided to grab the servo horn and yank it back and forth as hard as I could, and i wasnt able to strip the gears whatsoever. Maybe they're a bit more durable than we give them credit for?
Maybe, but it's not something we're willing to chance!