I'm sorry but I do think that Mari is a stalker. The show can't make up its mind about what is and isn't creepy. Since Miraculous goes by the rule tell don't show it makes it seem like Chat's actions toward Ladybug are way worse than Mari's actions toward Adrien. Chat's actions have consequences Mari's don't I feel like if the genders were swapped then Mari's actions would have way more consequences, but if Chat's actions didn't have consequences I would be able to suspend my disbelief more. Chat got thrown in a trash can, Mari got help from a fireman to commit a felony. I still respect your opinion though.
I also think she's being a bit ridiculous with the whole, no other girl can ever get close to Adrien but her. Like literally I get Lila and Chloe, but Kagami is generally a good person, and she made sure that Kagami could never get close to her. Alya is looked at as bad in Risk/Strike Back for telling Marinette she's being ridiculous for making sure Adrien can never go on the tour with Lila. Like from her eyes Lila is a decent person and Marinette is just jealous of her and wants to make sure that Adrien can only be with her and nobody else.
I don't know if they count as unpopular opinions, so here is some of my (whatever) opinions: - Zoe is not as bad as some people make her out to be. She has potential, the main problem with her character introduction was the pacing and how much they focused on her paralleling Chloe, but choosing a different roote, instead giving a little more time to her as her own person. We still have more seasons, so I hope they flesh her out. - I don't mind Chloe staying an antagonist, I just wish they'd have kept some of her complexities. They just made her way more boring. She isn't even frustrating, just... Forgettable now. You can still be a bad person, if you have layers. You don't have to be one-dimensional just to hammer a point. And if she had to stay one-note, I think she'd have worked better as just a school-bully and not a big baddy. - I wish Sabrina had more growth and getting more help to be able to separate Chloe and make better friends. - Even with Chloe redemption, people should not feel obligated to forgive her. Chloe should be doing this, because she learns that how her actions effect others is bad, not for solely other people (like Adrien). - Chloe not being that liked is a nice subversion of tropes and realistically makes more sense than her being popular, so I have to give credit for the series for it. - Kagami is one of the best characters - Adrien and Marinette are not completely blind, they are denial/manage to fool the other with smarts (Multimouse comes to my mind) - Marinette's classmates need more screen-time. I like them, but I would like to see more of them. - Mari's costume is not that bad. It's not as visually interesting as her later power-up or a lot of other costumes, but it's easily recognizable and fits her well. - Having flawed mentors is fine, I just wish they wouldn't make Su-Han a joke too
I have a theory why they undo Chloe character I don't think they're stupid but fully planned, but some people don't like it very much, Miraculous originally only had 2 seasons in the original plan But it turned out to be more popular than expected, so they had to re-plan each character to develop mainly to sell toys, and make more season., that's why it's a mess, Because as you can see there were originally 7 miracles, now we have 19, Chloe redemption Throw it in the trash bin because they think it's too wasteful to use it for Chloe Mean girl redemption is too old content, Because they have other plans, Ss3 -4 is mainly just for selling toys with no specific plot, Both have the same ending, A hero who betrayed ladybug, Miraculous was robbed, Adrien and marinette wants to move on to find new love SS3 we have Adrigami vs Lukanette, ss4 ending they did the same thing Adrien and marinette wants to move on this time is Reverse love And here's a little *spoiler* I don't know if you've seen "emotions" They use the same Technique as Chloe redemption For Felix, Just watch the episode and you will understand Transformation in public places Has a history of abuse, Just want to be loved and free Actually a better person than you think. Chloe = felix Chloe betrayed in ss3 Felix betrays in ss4 Come on, they need to be more creative
Honestly Zoe is just really horribly written and has no personality. And she’s a Mary sue. There could be so much potential for the character since she is Chloe’s half sister and there could be a whole lot more to their relationship. The creators wrote Zoe so bad. They are like trying to force the viewers into loving her even tho there is nothing to love about her. There is no build up to her character or her backstory. She has a really boring character development and her whole character is like a self insert. She is like when someone writes fanfic about themselves in a show.
I still disagree on ghe stalker one. The creators couldve chosen any other way to "exagerate" marinettes crush, by making her stutter more or not being able to stand close to him at all (like ayano, minus the yandere part) instead they chose the wierdest way to do so. It influences the younger audience and makes it uncomfortable for the older one.
I respect most of your opinions but I don't agree with the first one. Marinette IS a stalker. Don't bring up others behavior, we know Felix is a creep, but so is Marinette. She follows him around, researches his schedule, and follows every update online about him. Calling her anything but a stalker when she's stalking him is silly.🤦🏿♀️
A stalker is a person who harasses and interferes in the life of a victim. She already knows the schedule of the whole class including him and finding information about a star on the Internet is not so weird.
My unpopular opinion is that Chloe is now a background character I LUV CHLOE'S ARC THE WAY SHE DEVELOPING AND WAS STARTING TO BECOME A MAIN CHARACTER UNTIL THOMAS CAME IN AND LITERALLY RUINED THE WHOLE ARC OF CHLOE
@@joannebusybee9578 yea but it was written in a really good way and she never actually became nice. She has good character development but the creator just got rid of any kind of character development which pisses me off
Unpopular opinion, overall season 5 episodes are just AVERAGE. Indeed it is more serious, more complex, and more development of the characters and plot , but it's too messy. They literally just throw everything that the fandom wanted without thinking that the plot can make sense or not. They did everything toooooo fast and I dislike it.😥
It's not even good just inconsistent. They had so many chances in the first episode to defeat Hank Moth for real but they were being so slow . The plot Armour is over the roof .
I don't think the third one about Marinette forgetting why she loves Adrien is unpopular. I think everyone realises it, she started liking him because he was kind and nice but now its just that he's beautiful and perfect. Not to even mention that she doesn't even actually like Adrien. Cat Walker is basicly the proof, after the permiere she's not in love with Adrien but with his perfect persona. I also don't think Gabriel is actually stupid, its just that the main characters have so many brain farts that they constantly have to dumbify every other villain... they made Natalie and Gabriel act out of character/stupid so many times just so that the heroes could win. That's why I really don't want Layla and Felix to be the main antagonists cuz I'm afraid they'd have to dumbify and nerf them way too much.
Exactly. A good example is Lady WiFi and getting the titular villain to take off a RESTRAINED Ladybug's mask (which fails because magic) because if he told Lady WiFi to go for the earrings the show would be over too easily.
To be honest when she said Mari isn’t a stalker, I gotten so kinda mad BECAUSE SHE has way too many photos of Adrian and KNOWS his private daily schedule for the next 3 years! YEAH 3 YEARS! T-T and also she would literally kiss a clay! Yes I know she is in love but LIKE!? And also SHE knows what he smells like??? Yes I know they are been “friends” for like a while but when you meet someone would you know what they smell like? Unless they have a scent/perfume and also if you tell them BUT! Adrain never told Mari what he smells like??? Number 2. Mari has lose track of why she loves him, which yeah that is true well at least to me because I don’t feel like she ACTUALLY loves him- also another word that is similar love is LOUST! And Mari doesn’t love him she loust him love is not where you actually love somebody it is when you love somebody’s features/looks anyways number 3. Mari looks better with her hair up, which yeah that is your opinion so yeah I don’t really like it too, but I do like that it has a meaning when something has a meaning I like it and I understand number 4. Zoey is a useless character, which yeah since she CAME THERE OUT OF NOWHERE! And also it goes so QUICK! Because we know her backstory like literally T-T And also it is obvious that Zoey was just a replacement for Chloe number 5. We would have been better off without a ephemeral and cat blog (if I spell it right) Which I do have to agree so yeah me too number 6 the New York special is way much more better than the Shang high (if I spell that one right too) which they are both meh to to me to be honest and I don’t really care about it too much number 6. Nino and Adrian don’t seem that close, which I don’t like Nino at all to be honest since he stalk his GF/Ayla and Cat noir too! And I think they should not be friends to be honest (wow I keep saying to be honest so much- Okay I will try to saying) Number 7. Puppeteer isn’t really that bad which Mari is at her worst in that episode so yeah I explain it in “Mari isn’t a stalker” so yeah I will not be including that number 7. MLB is better in anime, which I would aspect on why master fu choose Children’s instead of adults and anime’s usually no mostly pick teenager/children so if it was anime then I will be fine with it because when it is 2d then I will be fine with it, since it is 2d so and 2d make me not think of real like since it is flat (Well….. usually 2d, for the characters and also the background it can be 2d) And when I see 3d since we are living in a 3d world so yeah number 8. The new season s are better than the older seasons which that is your choice but I don’t really find it good but that is just my opinion, also I didn’t do all questions and didn’t finish them (Also no hate)
What’s worse is in the new episodes they didn’t back down and instead claimed she new it for the next 15 years. When Marinette finally decided to stop stalking her friends thought that was crazy, they don’t call her out and in the episode where she is so creepy trying to kiss a “statue” of adrien they didn’t back down and tried to make it a good thing, saying his crush for her might of began there. I believe Felix though can be excused, sure he was stalking Kagami, but he was also supposed to stalk Adrien’s life in general to find the perfect opportunity, and he also has no social life, he had an abusive father, sure not excuses but it’s only a little and marinette is way worse despite having normal and loving parents with a social life. What’s also weird is when someone stalks Kagami she calls them out as a stalker, but calls Marinette normal for stalking and even says that is proof for Adrien and Marinette to be together....
@@catnoirisMINEi honestly think it's both, what she does can easily be considered to be stalking, i would be fucking scared for my life if anyone did those things to me💀
i do think marinette is a stalker though. and gabriel is definitely a child abuser. bro neglects his son but never lets him go out and tries to isolate him and genuinely doesn't care about him at all. adrien is such a nice, selfless person and loves his dad but is clearly depressed because of all the abuse and neglect.
3:09 aw my favorite 😍 Also finally someone agrees with me about puppeteer 2! Tbh I’m desensitized to all the second hand embarrassment of this show just because there’s so much of it and it’s funny to me 💀💀💀
Don't know unpopular or not but- Natalie is by far the only character that develops every season and she has like wayyyyy more plot (except season 4 but she still gets one of the twin rings there)
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS TELL US WHAT A CHARACTER IS FEELING AND WHY THEY CANT DO SOMETHING?? THEY SAY WHY THEY CANT REVEAL THEMSELVES IN AMAZING AND DETAILED WAYS IN SERIOUS MOMENTS... LIKE BRO WE GET IT
Just wanting to add a bit of my thoughts on the "reveal episodes ruinied it" opinion. I think they are actually necessary to tell the viewer why it must not happen, why the viewer cannot expect that happy ending yet. At least for me it does build up tension. I now feel anxious about the whole romatic plot (not in a bad way), its potential to cause a cataclysm on its own and I wonder how they will solve that problem in the end. I dont feel like it ruined it for me but just made me more excited for it :) Also Cat Blanc was my favourite episode for that devastated feeling it gave me, that poor guy.
The problem i have with the reveal episodes is the "how it happenend after" with Cat Blanc, okay Adrien stop the Akuma directly before his fathers eyes and transformed to save Marinette. But the second time, Gabriel realise that his son is Cat Noir because he hear him saying My Lady to Marinette on the phone? Thats stupid, bc in season one he saw the Miraculous in his sons finger and did never come to this point. The same for Adrien too, when he hit Moanrch with his Cataclysm on the arm, and a few hours later he saw that his dad has now an injury on exactly that spot? Adrien is not dump so he should have realized the meaning of this. Well i would accept if it would be some kind of denial, but no a few episodes later he talks with Ladybug how happy he would be if they would finally find out Monarchs identity... It seems they always getting the Characters out of Character if its needet for the story.
i agree that they were necessary, but ngl they went so fast i didnt get to take it in plus it woulda been more effective anyways if they developed it slower? idk those eps felt too summarized
@@Twilightspirits The felt a little bit Summarize, yes. And for my opinion they could have strecht all of it over several episodes, but i also understand why they did it the way it is. Think about it, if you see more stretched versions of it, and in the end we are back to the point where we started and this events not playing out. it would feel very dissapointed to me. slow development can be good, but there are good reasons for both ways.
Everyone is mnn : "Season 4 is the best season ever" Season 4 : *Horrible animation* , *literally only 4 episodes added something to the plot* , *basically no love square momment* , *literally no new villains* etc.
"if marinette is a stalker, then gabriel is abusive, alya is a stalker and felix is a creep" - exactly. gabriel is supposed to be abusive, alya is supposed to be unhealthily obsessed with ladybug, and felix is supposed to be a creep in that one scene.
Here are mine -Lila is awful, but an epic villain who adds a lot to the show -Zoe is overhated -Nathalie is a better villain than Gabriel -Nino is bland
Oh my god. Dude I thought I was the only me who thought her hair looked bad out I was so like it’s literally a block it hurts and I agree with basically all of your opinions except 2 the beginning one of marinette being a stalker and I think she is but that’s just my opinion I do think they exaggerate a lot of things in TV shows but I do think it was a bit far her breaking into his house and sniffing all his stuff it just felt a bit weird, and I really like Cat Blanc episode I don’t know why but him being evil was amazing for some reason probably Cause I simp for Cat Noir (weird I know) I love the New York special and Nino and Adrian need more screen time for real tho it makes me rage
4:45 it’s because they used Miraculous as a test run. After the show got really popular they the announced a bunch of new super hero themed shows (Ghost Force, Pixie Girl, etc.) under the ZAG brand which explains why the animation and the writing is going down in quality as they’ve put to much on their plate (intentionally or not)
Here is my unpopular opinion, I actually don’t think Marinette did anything wrong in Volpina. The first thing she saw Lila doing was her sexually harassing, Adrian, and Lila was very clearly trying to take advantage of him. Do I deny that it was done partially out of jealousy, heck no. But even then, I think it stopped being about jealousy the moment she heard her lying about her. Also, Marinette is involved in the lies that Lila was spinning so she did have a right to call her out for it. Thirdly, Lila lying about being best friends with Ladybug, and being a Superhero were not only stupid but extremely dangerous! What if hawk moth had seen the interview and thought that he could get to Ladybug by using her? Even if jealousy wasn’t in the equation, Marinette would’ve had the responsibility to shut that down fast, so to not have a civilian put herself in danger. And the point about, “ladybug shouldn’t have been harsh “ is frankly bullshit. And it also is shown that later on that Lila’s issue wasn’t that ladybug was harsh, it was that she got called out at all.
I totally agree with you about the fact that Marinette is way better with her hair up. When the other characters just say "you look beautiful this way'' I'm just like: You don't have to say lies dudeeeee. The original protagonist of the show was Felix, and I think it would be more interesting than Adrien. I mean a cute girl like Marinette having a crush on the coldest guy of the school is much better than a clumsy Marinette who can't confess her feelings for a "perfect'' character.
The problem with Marinette being stalkerish is that is sets a bad example for kids. It can send the message that this type of behavior is okay when it definitely isn't.
Astruc killed this show, imo It would of been better if it Wasn't a kids show, it could Of been more mature & dark & actually created intimidating Villains & better storylines.
I don't think the "Zoe is a useless character", "Gabriel only didn't win because of his stupidity", "the pacing is weird", and "Miraculous would have been better as an anime" are unpopular opinions. And the "Agreste brand is mid" is kinda, I guess? I see most people (including me here) roasting Gabriel for having a bad fashion-sense, we don't even give him as much credit as mid. Otherwise these examples, yeah, they are definetely unpopular opinions, especially the "Marinette is not a stalker", "The new seasons are better than the old ones", and "That scene wasn't as good as everyone says it is".
Unpopular Opinion: Lukanette is the best ship. Especially now that the TRUTH is no longer a problem (the reason they had to break up was because Luka didn't know marinette was ladybug) since Luka knows Marinette's true identity now, he can be as valuable an asset as Aliyah is for ladybug. Because Luka is the second smartest character in the show after Felix. I bet he has the knowledge to beat monarch.
And the only reason it isn't working out now is because the writers had to literally retcon Marinette's feelings from actually being romantically attracted to Luka (Silencer and Truth), to never having said feelings for Luka but feeling bad since she knows Luka still loves her (Crocoduel), and finally to her thinking that no boy had and will ever love her (I'm not sure which S5 episode had that piece of dialogue). It's kind of frustrating yet amusing, in the sense that Lukanette would win but destiny (writers) said NO.
I disagree lukanette wasn't the best ship, Idk maybe it's just me but I never really like the ship as it always feel as though marinette was never there foe luka.Think about it Luka is away helping Marinette and catering toward her need yet Marinette never did anything for luka even when finding his father marinette never helps he did it himself, it just feel like Luka being a good boyfriend but he himself is being neglected. in my option the two best ships are Mylene x Ivan and rose x juleka
Your opinions are valid. Though i disagree with some of them. Marinette IS a stalker. Not that kind of stalker who will spy on you all the time, but she definitely DID act like one in certain episodes. Example; In one episode that I don't remember the name, Marinette tried to break into (or spy on) Adrien's house. Because, according to her, she's just "protecting" him from Lila. Tell me, what kind of bad things she think Lila can do to Adrien? Of course, Lila lies, and can hurt (emotionally) Adrien because of it; But, like, Lila isn't going to _physically_ hurt him, and if she ever tried to, I really doubt Nathalie and/or Adrien's BodyGuard would let that pass; Heck, I don't think even Gabriel would let that pass. And, even though she would physically hurt him, there's still NO excuses for Marinette trying to break into Adrien's house. That's literally against the law and no good example for kids whatsover. In one of the movies, the Shangai Special, she lied to her own parents that she wanted to go to Shangai for her family's tradition (i think it was tradition? Idk- something like that ig lol), but, in reality, she just happened to know that Adrien was going to Shangai, and she wanted to go to everywhere he goes, apparently, so she decided to also go to Shangai, just for him. Some might think that this is cute, but i honestly think thats some stalkerish act right there. And there is more, but i really don't want to watch the episodes again for that. And, yes, you're right; Cartoons ARE meant to exaggerate real life, and there is no problem with that; The problem, is that, while normally there would be having consequences, in Miraculous, there is absolutely NO consequences for Marinette's actions. The characters even supported it like whattheheck? Cartoons are supposed to be funny and exaggered, but also educational for the kids' development. In Miraculous, the characters literally SUPPORT Marinette's actions, and lil' kids watching this show might think that it's okay try to break down into their crushes' house, stealing their phones, and try to ruin any possible romantic relationship they might have, because, according to the show, is in the name of the "love". Zoe... She is a good person, that's for sure; She's nice, she's a great actor, and everyone loves her. So what's the problem? She literally just appeared just to replace Chloe. Aaaand she's a Mary Sue. There is literally no other reason for her to appear if it isn't to her being the new Queen Bee. They scrapped Chloe's WHOLE redemption arc and gave it to Zoe, because Chloe's OWN creator hates her (Chloe). Zoe is nice, that's for sure, but her character is so bland that it's impossible to actually like her CHARACTER instead of her persona. Everyone instantly loves her, not even a single doubt about her; she's literally the sister of the person who BULLIED them for *years*, why does everyone instantly loves her? What if she's pretending to be nice? Where is the doubt? Is everyone that naive? And why does Marinette gives her phone number to Zoe RIGHT after she met her? She's a stranger, you shouldn't trust strangers THAT easily. The problem is... That Miraculous is a really bad-written show with bad-written characters, bad written-timeline and etc... Miraculous has some great potential, but the writters just doesn't know how to portrait it, which makes many people have a kind of love-hate relationship with the show. They hate the way the show is written, but they love the concept and potential this show has. (That's how I treat Miraculous, anyway- Not trying to assume anything.) People usually would like to like the character first, instead of the persona they have. People can like William Afton (FNaF) as a person, but love him as a character. Pepole can like Zoe as person, but hate her as a character. It doesn't matter if the persona is good, the character also have to be good-written, especially if u want your character to be realistic and/or be relatable. A character have to have flaws, don't be clearly supported for their actions (unless it's on purpose) have consequences for their actions, development, and etc. It's the same thing for a couple; A couple have it's flaws, consequences, development, and etc.. It's impossible for a couple to be absolutely perfect. Likewise, it is impossible for a human being to be absolutely perfect. (Before someone mentions Barbie, Barbie IT'S supposed to be perfect, she's not a human being like us, who has flaws and imperfections, Barbie was created to portray an image of perfection. The same thing happens with Ken. ~ I didn't watch the movies, only a few clips from it, so I don't really know- Correct me if I'm wrong! And I'm sorry if i offended someone with this comment.) anyway thats just my own opinion though! I respect ur opinion as long as u respect mine. =3 and i'm sorry for the long text lol-- TwT I got a lil' carried away-
the reason for the animation quality going down is because after its success and due to streaming rights stuff the animation went to one company which then went out of business which means it went to another company (tldr: it bounced around a lot of companies so now it looks worse)
Imo I think 3d suits the show more than 2d. Because imagine these cringe moments in 2d, they would probably be less cringy (some people might think its a good thing but a lot of people say the shows cringy moments is what makes Miraculous, Miraculous) and I just feel like 3d makes it feel funner. I dont know how to explain it properly but this is what I think
I ADORE pupeteer 2, and I LOVE making my friends watch it, their reactions are HILARIOUS!!! -one turned bright red and covered her face. -one just ran away -my sister just hides -my mom looks at me like: this is what u do with ur time -my dad ‘has to take a shower’ Hehe introvert life hacks 🥰
Most of these I understand except for Marinette being a stalker, while Marinette isn't any more and I actually really enjoy her in s4-5 she was definitely a stalker and here is all of my evidence. * stole Adrien phone because she confessed to him by accident * knew his entire schedule for 3 years * broke into his house to give him a love letter, smelt and touched all of his things. * manipulated her parent into giving her money to go to Shanghai so she could see Adrien. * there are multiple time were Marinette knows exactly what Adrien is doing and has a whole plan revolved around it * Was smelling statue Adrien ,plucked a piece of his hair for later, And was going to kiss said statue. * was hating on Lila because of Adrien ( note she does end up hating Lila for other reason but this was her original reason why) * Literally tried to sabotage kagami in multiple occasion because she had a crush on Adrien ( Marinette does apologize) * has pretend to be a guy to sneak into Adrien party * has snuck into event/party multiple time just to talk to Adrien These are in no way normal things and if people say it just a cartoon so it doesn't matter then why in earth shoukd I care about any of these character, why should I care about adrienette being a cute ship why ship it if it doesn't matter. Why have emotional moment if it doesn't matter.It was also a problem during the first 3 season because Marinette was meant to be a role model as for anyone who argue no kid is going to take that seriously I would like to say that's dumb. If kids didn't take show seriously why would we have cartoon all about teaching kids moral, When I was a kid I learned a lot of things form cartoon and real life, some ppl say the parent should be teaching them thus stuff is bad but I found the argument to not make any sense if the parent have to teach them this stuff is bad that mean the show is a horrible influence if parent have to explain y but not the show that mean the child shouldn't be watching.
yea.. i really wish those episodes never happened, bc now people (myself included) don't really care about the reveal when it actually happens. because from the reveals i have seen, I am very dissapointed.. Chat blanc= adrien only liking marinette because she is ladybug, and same thing in ephemeral tbh Adrienette is just too awkward.. and their relationship is so boring and has no layers...it honestly feels like there's no reason that they should like eachother. There's only one good thing about those 2 episodes: it showed me that i shouldn't get my hopes up to be very dissapointed by an actual reveal
You know what? 2:35 there was an experiment where Payless workers told rich people that their shoes were very popular name brands and the rich people were complimenting how good the shoes were, when they were just Payless shoes with a different name. Says something about fashion huh?
Okay, cartoons can do and be whatever you want, sure, but Marinette is sitll a stalker. Like, just factually. They could've exaggerated her crush in other ways. And Felix being a creep and Gabriel being a child abuser frankly have nothing to do with this and are well-acknowledged facts. In fact, I'd say they further the idea that Marinette is a stalker. If those are accurate descriptions of the characters' behavior, then why isn't stalker an accurate description for Marinette's behavior? Not acknowledging her behavior as stalkerish is actually dangerous, especially because Miraculous Ladybug is a kid's show. By not depicting her stalker behavior as bad, you are inadvertently teaching children that hey, this is fine! You can do this stuff with zero consequences. It's just bad all around.
Personally I think people in comment section are just being dramatic. You can argue about weather she is a stalker or not and I don't really care even if she is. What matters is that her actions have never hurted anyone(as far as I remember). I mean, yeah, she has a collection of his photos but who doesn't have a photos of their crush? She knows his schedule. But again haven't you ever learnt by heart your crush's schedule? And a chest of gifts for him is a very cute gesture. I don't consider her behavior creepy or awful at all, it' perfectly normal by me. You can try to prove me wrong
I totally agree. What's wrong with keeping multiple gifts for her crush. The only thing that was creepy was her breaking into Adrien's house and smelling his pillow but at least she faced the consequences with the whole cat blanc situation. Also Lila is a liar and a manipulator. Marinette didn't want someone like Lila dating Adrien. Also when she tried to sabotage kagami she realized it was wrong and stopped it. And to the people saying Marinette's stalking will influence younger audience, I watched miraculous when I was 8 and I just laughed at the scenes and didn't pay much attention to it I never went out of my way to stalk someone because I thought it was okay since a cartoon character did it and I'm pretty sure that any decent and mentally stable five year old wouldn't just randomly stalk their crush because they saw a fictional character do it. And if the child did I because they saw it on TV then that's the parent's fault for not training their child with the proper morals
one opinion that i cant agree with is the it would have been better without cat blanc i feel it was important for us to know the reason why they cant just reveal their identities and the problems and overall destruction it would cause but i understand why some people would only want to see it once but also keep in mind that the writers can really surprise you on the final reveal
My unpopular opinion is that I ship Luka with Marinette, and Adrien with Kagami, not Adrien with Marinette. When I was younger my sisters just told me that they were meant to be together and I just went along with it, then when I watch season 2 and 3 and especially 4 over again I realise that kagami and Luka are really good partners, and Adrien and Marinette treat them like dog crap. Like literally Luka dates Marinette even though she clearly still has feelings for Adrien, and he helps her through it like an understanding boyfriend, and Kagami helps Adrien face his father and helps him realize what his actual goal in life is, and helps him understand the world better. Like frick, Kagami literally says "Do you feel the same... Do you love me too?" and Adrien just says "Excuse me?" people think this is a joke but it makes me sad every time I see it. Here Kagami is professing her deepest feelings and Adrien is not even paying attention or caring. Even after she's akumatised and they break up he seems lighthearted and doesn't seem like he cares at all that he just broke his friend's heart. For Luka it's almost as bad, as Marinette and him date for a while and she clearly likes him. He treats her well and understands her feelings. He is a really good person. Marinette got lucky to have him, and she clearly thinks he's attractive too, but even while all this is happening she keeps looking at Adrien like *Wow, I wish I had him instead* when Luka is right there. Can the woman be grateful for 5 seconds. Like I get it's her choice and all but she would rather have a famous model that doesn't even like her (yet) then her actual caring, kind, understanding, cute boyfriend that cares about her. I really hope Lukagami actually happens because the two characters deserve each other in a relationship because they actually care about people unlike Adrien and Marinette.
I wanna add additional information to this comment now that we have new info from Season 5, and Adrien and Marinette are actually together. Okay Kagami yes, gets with Felix, which I’m slowly starting to ship more and more. But Luka, Luka is the couple’s counselor for Adrinette. Literally he talks to Marinette (his ex) and Adrien (his ex’s new boyfriend) about their relationship. I’m sorry but if that was mean I would feel horrible being the counselor for my ex. Like what the heck, so unrealistic
In the Shanghi special, the most powerful of Fei's powers was of the dragon. She could only use it once she was truly ready for such a responsibility! Ladybug spent like...10 minutes too many trying to get her to activate it when in much less lime she could've used the horse miraculous Master Fu let her borrow to retrieve the dragon Miraculous from Paris which held the same power which could be used by anyone who gets their hand on it ready or not. That was really lame...
I actually agree with most of your opinions. I haven't heard many of them before but I agree with them, especially the first few. I also like season 5 a lot. there's a lot more drama as you said, a lot more complexity, a lot more development and it feels like things are finally starting to change.
You had some great points about Cat Blanc and Ephemeral being useless, but here are my thoughts. Everyone was super annoyed at the writers for not giving us a proper reveal, but the purpose of these episodes was probably to show us the consequences of what would happen if the reveal happened. They wanted to make us understand why Ladybug and Cat Noir's identities must remain a secret so we would stop pestering them. But of course this is all just my opinion and I'm totally fine if you disagree :)
adrien and marinette plus ladybug and chat noir romantic relationship is kinda toxic. I love them but especially adrien and marinette relationship is built up of lies and we know how adrien is like with secrets like with ladybug. i understand why there are lies but marinette is hiding so deep that when adrien finds out its not gonna end well. ( i love miraculous but sometimes the writing and characters dont make sense and i wish the heros/ good guy characters have more deeper meaning in the story like maybe if chloe's redemption arc wasnt taken, her and zoe could bond and understand each other than just replacing chloe and making her more hated )
All These pinions are literally the same opinions I have so thank you for that but I think the only one I disagree with is chat blanc being not needed I think the main point of that episode was to basically traumrized maribug cause after that episode her way of thinking changed severally and we can see it when she is distance from chat noir and hints of this trauma show up in episode 14 and even the season finale! and I’m sure we will see more this season so I do think chat blanc was needed but ephemeral? no it wasn’t needed it should of been left for the dead
I. LOVE. LILA. she gives the story so much development, drama and is just so fun and interesting to watch. I don't like her as a person but I love her as a root for a plot.
I cant say I agree with everything in this video, but if there is one thing I absolutely do agree on its that Miraculous would have been way better as an anime. When I first seen the ads for Miraculous I assumed it was going to be a cheap crappy show for children. I distinctly remember feeling sorry for kids for getting stuck with it. Basically I judged a book by its cover. The storyline to me is amazing, I love the show, and the art over the years has grown on me, but I do feel that the show in an anime art style, one that looked like black butler, another, death note, or even less defined one's like ariety, ponyo, or princess tutu would have been a better choice. And imagine if this show had the budget to make the characters with beautiful semi realistic art, and maybe a little bit more older, the show would be 100% perfect. But I genuinely do agree that anime would have been a way better option.
i feel like Miraculous ladybug could have been much better if it was meant for older audiences, by this i don’t mean that they have to cuss or be inappropriate in any way, i mean like it being more serious, or having deep meaningful conversations that don’t get swept under the rug immediately. i feel that if the character development was spread out through the seasons and not crammed in a single episode this show would be better. i could honestly go on four hours which is funny sense im actually a big fan or Miraculous, but i feel that this show could have had so much potential.
This is only my opinion I think the reveals episodes are important in the way they show us Adrien and Marinette need to love eachother for who they are. In both the reveals Adrien loves marinette because she is ladybug and marinette loves cat noir because he is Adrien. They don’t accept both sides of the person only the one they love. I do agree it was unnecessary to have to reveals and wish they only had one
hm.. i dont agree with the first , the puppetear 2 and the newer seasons being better but the rest ones are pretty on the point but all your opinions are valid so ya know also my rare opinion is... that almost all maris hair styles on fusion costumes are really cool and i think it should be illegal to use the horse miracoules and NOT add a pony tail , that is just manditory. (dont like the short pigtales tho-)
this is just a mini opinion so please don't like- fight in the replies but I don't understand why people say "its going to teach kids that stalking is okay" Kids aren't that stupid, they do know the basics between right and wrong. obviously following people around and stalking their schedule isn't okay. Even a 4 year old would know that, and at the end of the day its the parents fault if the kids believe what they're told from a TV show. The point of childrens entertainment is for. children. entertainment. Its not a learning show for the most part. parents shouldn't be leaving their children in front of a screen to learn. It's not the shows job to set an example a parent should have set since day one. Do i believe they should tone it down a bit?, yes. i very much do. It makes Marinette's character tiring and boring. same old same old, but do i think they should completely remake her character to please a few in the audience?, nope. understand peoples reasoning and i respect it, if it doesn't change the next best option is to avoid it all together (not being rude) I'm open to your thoughts, these are simply mine. But no fighting pls and ty
0:25-0:29 Yes & Hawmoth most Definently is a abusive parent & Felix is Creepy tbh everyone in this show is A terrible person there's No Morality in this show Which makes it terrible Especially since it's Supposed to be a show About superheros yet Everyone acts like a villain.
i 100% agree for emphemeral and cat blanc they littrely made big reveals and wrote in in the worst way possible they were not nice to watch and both of them left me emotionally scarred and the fact the after everything, they act like nothing happend at the end of it
I don’t like how they ruined Chloe’s character development . Chloe could of redeemed herself to get the queen bee miraculous back and the fact Zoe got the miraculous the second episode of s4 that’s ridiculous considering Chloe loved been recognised she didn’t know the outcome
-Hawkmoth changes his name everytime he gets overpowered by 1% and it dosnt even make since like when he fixed the peacock miraclous, he used it along with the butterfly and called himself shadowmoth which makes no since and when he got all the miraclouses he nammed himself monarch which makes no sence too Hope you liked my unpopular opinion
i totally agree with these!!!! so many people disagree with the first one and it’s so tiring lol. i totally get how it can get weird but it’s like you said :)
Honestly, I agree with @AJ //whereismywife. Even if cartoons exaggerate, she's breaking the law, smelling his clothes, and has a schedule for what he does everyday. And what's worse is she's supposed to be a role model. Although I understand the idea, she's the definition of a stalker, and yes, everything else she mentioned about Alya being a stalker and Gabriel being abusive is true too. You don't have to respond if you don't want to. This is just what I saw. :)
There are multiple cartoons that exaggerate crimes such as the amazing world of gumball. Like Nicole literally committed arson and potentially killed Harold because she was mad that he didn't like her sushi. Or in the episode where gumball kept on trying to make tobias slap his butt which can be counted as harassment. There are many other cartoons that exaggerate crimes but don't get hate for it
@@hannahodedeyi9312 That's because they're not human. Their show is definitely to entertain people with its humour, it just to happen that they have bits and pieces of lore smeared on them. The difference is that Miraculous is a show based around human, their protagonist is a good and nice girl while Gumbal is a loser (the show's says that, not me) You are comparing a show that are aware that they are in a show, to a show that are (suppose to be) filled with lore.
They only care about Marrinette’s life, they make Adrien adjust to things SO QUICKLY like in ephemeral ladybug takes her sweet time accepting that Adrien is catnoir and Adrien just accepts it in the spot? Like they really do not care about Adrien and he just exits to be the love interest nothing more😐
ik im so late but this is soo true. They always do this. In the Kuro Neko Ep, they just excuse Chat Noir as “sensitive” LB indirectly says she does not need Chat anymore. It makes sense that he was hurt. Then they make Adrien just forgive her since he was just “overly sensitive” ?!! Adrien does not need to adjust and forgive everyone so quickly. Marinette always takes her time, but Adrien has to do everything so quickly.
Ladybug didn’t directly say that he was not needed anymore she just said that in certain missions he’s not necessary and that she’s just giving him a break! In my opinion Adrien was being quite selfish in that episode, but yeah that’s just me :) they should definitely make chat noir more useful though
@@Maysely true, but I do think they shouldn’t have just excused it as sensitivity. He has all the rights to be hurt :) but yeah they should make him more useful in the future missions, im really hoping that LB isn’t going to do the same thing now that she gained all the the miraculous back
Ok but I don't think Gabriel is actually thaaattt stupid. He is slightly dumb, but if he weren't then Lady if and Cat noir could never beat him. He literally has almost all the miraculouses and still can't win. I get that ladybug and Cat noir are like the balance or whatever but like...he could literally have given Natalie a miraculous and manipulated her into thinking she was doing it for Adrian (since she's not doing it for Gabriel anymore), plus he could acumatize someone and then give them a miraculous through the rings, and have what like 3 miraculouses himself? He could probably even give Natalie 2 (not more cause she's weak cause of the peacock miraculous) he could beat them so easily. 3 villains against 2 superheroes and 3 miraculouses for him, 2 for Natalie, 1 for the acumatized person, and whatever power they get from the akuma. That's 5 miraculouses plus one extra power against 2 miraculouses. But This will never happen because ladybug and Cat noir at a the hero's. Honestly, I kind of want one of ladybug or catnoirs miraculous to get captured. Obviously they'd get it back. In my opinion they could take ladybugs (in a way that doesn't reveal her identity) and then find out hawkmoth is Gabriel and then get her miraculous back and then they will know who hawkmoth is. I also think Felix would be an important character for what I'm describing. Another long ramble for me. Have a good day. Edit: I 10000000% agree with the fact that it would look better as an anime. I still love miraculous though. Also cant wait for the new movie coming out. Also also Felix is my favorite character. I feel like his character has so much depth. He might be the villain but he actually cares about people. Like his mother, cousin, aunt (considering his reaction he. He saw her body), he was even trying to protect marinette. And you could tell how he wanted to help kagami too. You could tell he felt bad about everything he'd done after he couldn't bring marinette back. (I still don't get why. Ladybug is still marinette)
Unpopular opinion: adrinette is a bad ship and ladynoir is pretty toxic. The good ones are marichat and ladybug x adrien. Ik their all the same people just different form but the way they are matters a lot. Ladybug is super toxic to chat noir and marinette is creepy and a stalker to adrien. The best ship between them is marichat because that relationship is the only one where they can be each other and talk to the real one another and there is no toxicity between them.
Love this video, but here are my opinions on this video (no hate, ALL love here 🥰) 1. We LOVEE Mari but to say she isn’t a stalker is not it😂 she obsessed over this boy and knows his schedule to a T. She LITERALLY followed him to Shanghai😭🤦🏽♀️ and yes, Alya is a stalker as well & Gabriel is most definitely a child abuser in more ways than one. 2. Also, I feel like everyone hates Zoe because the creators wanted to replace the holder of the miraculous when she didn’t even want it initially. I think it was just to add more to the show. The fandom is growing so why not the cast. Plus the whole American girl living abroad storyline. She has a lot of untapped potential. 3. Moving on, I also agree that Gabriel’s fashion is boring. Audrey is the one who discovered him and I still don’t know why. 4. Now let’s talk about the “reveals” episode and why they DO matter, both episodes show what happens when there is a “reveal” instead of a realization. Because both characters are in love with only half of the person it makes sense that it ends in disaster. It shows that they have to love ALL sides of them and not just one. Meaning Ladybug has to be just as in love with Cat Noir and she is with Adrien and he has to be just as in love with Marinette as he is with ladybug or else it won’t work which is why it’s better that Mari and Adrien date so they can figure it out later than just telling each other. (I can talk about this for hours lol but I won’t) 5. The New York special was GOLDEN ! I loved it 6. I agree that the finale for season four wasn’t that great but I still liked it. Plus im still a bit mad that Cat forgave her so quickly 7. Puppeteer 2 wasn’t a bad episode at all but the statue scene was cringey to watch 😂😭it was a great episode 8. They changed the age rating after season 3 and originally the show was meant for teenagers not little kids :) hence the more mature storylines 9. Adrien is not perfect 😂 at all. But we can assume he comes off that way and is so nice because of his mothers influence not his dad’s. Although, Felix is much more interesting to watch (but I don’t believe either is a sentimonster tbh) 10. I feel like they need to write better scenes for Nino and Adrien because they could be just as close as Mari and Alya and maybe enough that he would tell Nino his secret too. But he is a blabber mouth so many not that that close but closer
Chloe should've stayed queen bee, Ladybug is a literal hippacrit. Not because of herself, because of Nino and alya like she permently gave alya the miraculous
Yes, tell that, marinette isn’t a stalker….also. Marinette hair is awesome, with her hair down….all hair styles of her is amazing. Also I know adrien, has been sad, but let’s not hate marinette for anything. Zoe isn’t a useless character, she might be a replacement for Chloe, but she is better than Chloe. Also whenever their is a reveal of adrienette, it’s like Gabriel is after it, he stops and destroys the relationship between them. All writing in the show/movies are amazing, even if adrien, and nino aren’t that friendly…..it’s kinda better then being lonely. Adrien just deserves a friend.also miraculous isn’t a kids show anymore, it’s for everyone.with all ages. I luv puppeteer 2, idc what u say, but…..it’s amazing.however it is, Thomas is just doing it’s job.
Thomas is doing its job but when the job is garbage then its bot a good job. His writting frankly sucks and I hope the new writters will be able to make something good from the shaky foundation that was layed down by him. And while it is a show enjoyed by every age it is made purely for kids, mostly so that they could excuse the bad writting.
Adrien is not perfect We kinda know why he is caring His mother is the one who spreader positivity in his life which made him a positive person. He is awkward socially. He can be harsh on people who hurt the one he cares about. He can be selfish at times. He wants to be a superhero to be free because it is the only chance he can be free from his life as Adrien. The show did show every side of him. Didn't you watch the show? The villans are not better than the heroes The heroes are not not good but the viallans aren't either probably except felix. Lila and Gabriel are bad characters. Marinette is a bad character Adrien was a good character but season 4 ruined him. Felix is the only one who is still entertaining.
I agree with all of these😅 As for the last one, I tell myself he enjoys it because its the only bit of freedom he gets, but sometimes he can be a little too perfect but I blame that on the facade he puts on.
I agree the villains are better but Adrien isn’t that shallow, he is chat noir to escape being imprisoned by his controlled life. A better example is Lila and Marinette, Marinette is indeed shallow, but Lila, she lies a lot and we must wonder why, she also knows sign language and does attend Matinette’s mother’s Chinese lessons or at least writing lessons, she might do it to manipulate her mum but that can’t be the sole reason. She doesn’t hurt anyone and isn’t as bad as people think, she only lies to make herself feel good, sure she wants to ruin Marinette’s life but that was after Marinette tried to ruin hers too. She even tried to be friends with her. Marinette lies all the time too and not only about being a miraculous holder, she is indeed a stalker, trespasser and a thief too as she stole Alya and Adrien’s phones before, like sending an embarrassing message isn’t an excuse. I feel like Lila is there so we know Marinette isn’t the worst person. Like beside Lila and Chloe, marinette is indeed the worse person in their class.
Honestly Gabriel is hands down a child abuser. He emotionally abuses and manipulates adrien. He says what he’s doing is for family but the way he treats adrien doesn’t show it one bit. There are only 2 episodes where he isn’t human garbage. Other than that he is trash and definitely not a sympathetic villain(watch Cyrus the greats vid for a deeper dive into the character)
Why is everyone trashing her opinions in the comments? She litterly put in the title "UNPOPULAR OPINIONS" meaning that there might be things you don't like. If you can't handle other people opinions don't click.
i feel like i'm gonna get hated on by saying this, but i agree that marinette is not a stalker! we should all put ourselves in her shoes and realize why she does certain things. she tries to help adrien, she understands him, as seen in the season 4 finale. if i had a crush i wouldn't go as far as marinette, but i can totally see where she is coming from. i would want to know more about them, for them to like me, and help them in any way possible! (i've had friends who've done the same lol) i don't think we should blame marinette for what she does and what she thinks. btw this is just my opinion! i totally understand if you disagree
this is just my opinion! i see where you are coming from and agree that she can be extreme sometimes, but i think she gets bashed too much for some of her minor actions! btw i love kagami
Chloe is an amazing character not an amazing person but an amazingly written character. Zoe is a horrible character not a horrible person but horribly written and she’s a Mary Sue
Actually Marinette is a stalker. But spoiler for a leaked episode: Marinette only stalked Adrien as far as she did, and was only tripping over her words around Adrien, because of what Chloe did to her the previous year (basically getting the guy she used to have a crush on to play a cruel "prank" on Marinette.
The dude she had a Crush on was KIM 🫣 . Basically ya´ll debating if she is or not basically first of all in not the Stalker side well there are many types of girls . Some girls like a guy and then get immensly inlove with their crush. With the girls that have a grand love for their crush can cause them a total heartbreak, sometimes the girl that is a teen may think oh no he was supposed to be my future husband and etc. Maybe Marinette is like the type that I wrote. We even get hints , She imagines to get Married and have three children..... I know what your about to say some other types of girl think like that ok ok ok fine you win. Another thing 😉 Some people take the show seriously , that It is like in realife ...... do me a favor yeah you ..... There´ s something about Marinettes staliking and having photos of him ...... Rember that ADRIEN AGRESTE is A FAMOUS FASHION MODEL yes indeed Do me a favor look for Fans going crazy for celebrities yea that happens in real life and the pics are from his photo shoots and selfies with friends. I will say this although I dont hate Chloe she might did it misrable for Marinette. Marinette in the past looks like an innocent and non aggressive but Socqueline defended her from Chloe. So that is it, the Debate is over ........ for me. Also you should Watch Derision once it comes out there will be alot of explaining of her stalking.
Ngl your opinions where very valid, but the puppeteer 2 Adrien statue scene made me cringe for weeks Xq
I hate that part
That still makes me cringe a lot
Adrien* Sorry just correcting
Months
I haven’t watched it because I just couldn’t. I skipped it altogether because I couldn’t stand it
I'm sorry but I do think that Mari is a stalker. The show can't make up its mind about what is and isn't creepy. Since Miraculous goes by the rule tell don't show it makes it seem like Chat's actions toward Ladybug are way worse than Mari's actions toward Adrien. Chat's actions have consequences Mari's don't I feel like if the genders were swapped then Mari's actions would have way more consequences, but if Chat's actions didn't have consequences I would be able to suspend my disbelief more. Chat got thrown in a trash can, Mari got help from a fireman to commit a felony. I still respect your opinion though.
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I also think she's being a bit ridiculous with the whole, no other girl can ever get close to Adrien but her. Like literally I get Lila and Chloe, but Kagami is generally a good person, and she made sure that Kagami could never get close to her. Alya is looked at as bad in Risk/Strike Back for telling Marinette she's being ridiculous for making sure Adrien can never go on the tour with Lila. Like from her eyes Lila is a decent person and Marinette is just jealous of her and wants to make sure that Adrien can only be with her and nobody else.
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I don't know if they count as unpopular opinions, so here is some of my (whatever) opinions:
- Zoe is not as bad as some people make her out to be. She has potential, the main problem with her character introduction was the pacing and how much they focused on her paralleling Chloe, but choosing a different roote, instead giving a little more time to her as her own person. We still have more seasons, so I hope they flesh her out.
- I don't mind Chloe staying an antagonist, I just wish they'd have kept some of her complexities. They just made her way more boring. She isn't even frustrating, just... Forgettable now. You can still be a bad person, if you have layers. You don't have to be one-dimensional just to hammer a point. And if she had to stay one-note, I think she'd have worked better as just a school-bully and not a big baddy.
- I wish Sabrina had more growth and getting more help to be able to separate Chloe and make better friends.
- Even with Chloe redemption, people should not feel obligated to forgive her. Chloe should be doing this, because she learns that how her actions effect others is bad, not for solely other people (like Adrien).
- Chloe not being that liked is a nice subversion of tropes and realistically makes more sense than her being popular, so I have to give credit for the series for it.
- Kagami is one of the best characters
- Adrien and Marinette are not completely blind, they are denial/manage to fool the other with smarts (Multimouse comes to my mind)
- Marinette's classmates need more screen-time. I like them, but I would like to see more of them.
- Mari's costume is not that bad. It's not as visually interesting as her later power-up or a lot of other costumes, but it's easily recognizable and fits her well.
- Having flawed mentors is fine, I just wish they wouldn't make Su-Han a joke too
I agree with literally all of those opinions lol
Agreed.
I have a theory why they undo Chloe character I don't think they're stupid but fully planned, but some people don't like it very much, Miraculous originally only had 2 seasons in the original plan But it turned out to be more popular than expected, so they had to re-plan each character to develop mainly to sell toys, and make more season., that's why it's a mess, Because as you can see there were originally 7 miracles, now we have 19, Chloe redemption Throw it in the trash bin because they think it's too wasteful to use it for Chloe Mean girl redemption is too old content, Because they have other plans, Ss3 -4 is mainly just for selling toys with no specific plot, Both have the same ending, A hero who betrayed ladybug, Miraculous was robbed, Adrien and marinette wants to move on to find new love SS3 we have Adrigami vs Lukanette, ss4 ending they did the same thing Adrien and marinette wants to move on this time is Reverse love
And here's a little *spoiler* I don't know if you've seen "emotions" They use the same Technique as Chloe redemption For Felix, Just watch the episode and you will understand Transformation in public places Has a history of abuse, Just want to be loved and free Actually a better person than you think. Chloe = felix Chloe betrayed in ss3 Felix betrays in ss4 Come on, they need to be more creative
Honestly Zoe is just really horribly written and has no personality. And she’s a Mary sue. There could be so much potential for the character since she is Chloe’s half sister and there could be a whole lot more to their relationship. The creators wrote Zoe so bad. They are like trying to force the viewers into loving her even tho there is nothing to love about her. There is no build up to her character or her backstory. She has a really boring character development and her whole character is like a self insert. She is like when someone writes fanfic about themselves in a show.
I agree with it allllllll
I still disagree on ghe stalker one. The creators couldve chosen any other way to "exagerate" marinettes crush, by making her stutter more or not being able to stand close to him at all (like ayano, minus the yandere part) instead they chose the wierdest way to do so. It influences the younger audience and makes it uncomfortable for the older one.
I respect most of your opinions but I don't agree with the first one. Marinette IS a stalker.
Don't bring up others behavior, we know Felix is a creep, but so is Marinette. She follows him around, researches his schedule, and follows every update online about him. Calling her anything but a stalker when she's stalking him is silly.🤦🏿♀️
A stalker is a person who harasses and interferes in the life of a victim.
She already knows the schedule of the whole class including him and finding information about a star on the Internet is not so weird.
I totally agree with the hair. It looks WAY better up.
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My unpopular opinion is that Chloe is now a background character I LUV CHLOE'S ARC THE WAY SHE DEVELOPING AND WAS STARTING TO BECOME A MAIN CHARACTER UNTIL THOMAS CAME IN AND LITERALLY RUINED THE WHOLE ARC OF CHLOE
Yes how she gets forgiven just cuz she has trauma she deserves nothing she’s a bully
I love her arc as well she needs more screen time and a backstory to see why she’s mean she only wanted to be special
Chloe is an amazingly written character. She has an amazing redemption arc but the only reason she was wasted was because the creator hated her.
@@0pticN3rve you mean a stereotype (a bully has a hard life soo is forgiven) it’s been done before
@@joannebusybee9578 yea but it was written in a really good way and she never actually became nice. She has good character development but the creator just got rid of any kind of character development which pisses me off
Unpopular opinion, overall season 5 episodes are just AVERAGE. Indeed it is more serious, more complex, and more development of the characters and plot , but it's too messy. They literally just throw everything that the fandom wanted without thinking that the plot can make sense or not. They did everything toooooo fast and I dislike it.😥
Completely agree. The disorganization of the writing is why I stopped watching.
It's not even good just inconsistent.
They had so many chances in the first episode to defeat Hank Moth for real but they were being so slow . The plot Armour is over the roof .
I mean people have called G*briel a child abuser and Felix a harasser but yeah sure.
@♡ 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐤𝐨𝐫𝐲𝐚𝐧𝐝’𝐫 ♡ lmao glad someone noticed
@@ERinna_05 why did you do that?
@@tollastales849 cause he's a jerk.
Goofy-ahh censor on the word Gabriel 😭
@@florence8495 its kinda funny tho lol
I don't think the third one about Marinette forgetting why she loves Adrien is unpopular. I think everyone realises it, she started liking him because he was kind and nice but now its just that he's beautiful and perfect. Not to even mention that she doesn't even actually like Adrien. Cat Walker is basicly the proof, after the permiere she's not in love with Adrien but with his perfect persona.
I also don't think Gabriel is actually stupid, its just that the main characters have so many brain farts that they constantly have to dumbify every other villain... they made Natalie and Gabriel act out of character/stupid so many times just so that the heroes could win. That's why I really don't want Layla and Felix to be the main antagonists cuz I'm afraid they'd have to dumbify and nerf them way too much.
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Exactly. A good example is Lady WiFi and getting the titular villain to take off a RESTRAINED Ladybug's mask (which fails because magic) because if he told Lady WiFi to go for the earrings the show would be over too easily.
To be honest when she said Mari isn’t a stalker, I gotten so kinda mad BECAUSE SHE has way too many photos of Adrian and KNOWS his private daily schedule for the next 3 years! YEAH 3 YEARS! T-T and also she would literally kiss a clay! Yes I know she is in love but LIKE!? And also SHE knows what he smells like??? Yes I know they are been “friends” for like a while but when you meet someone would you know what they smell like? Unless they have a scent/perfume and also if you tell them BUT! Adrain never told Mari what he smells like??? Number 2. Mari has lose track of why she loves him, which yeah that is true well at least to me because I don’t feel like she ACTUALLY loves him- also another word that is similar love is LOUST! And Mari doesn’t love him she loust him love is not where you actually love somebody it is when you love somebody’s features/looks anyways number 3. Mari looks better with her hair up, which yeah that is your opinion so yeah I don’t really like it too, but I do like that it has a meaning when something has a meaning I like it and I understand number 4. Zoey is a useless character, which yeah since she CAME THERE OUT OF NOWHERE! And also it goes so QUICK! Because we know her backstory like literally T-T And also it is obvious that Zoey was just a replacement for Chloe number 5. We would have been better off without a ephemeral and cat blog (if I spell it right) Which I do have to agree so yeah me too number 6 the New York special is way much more better than the Shang high (if I spell that one right too) which they are both meh to to me to be honest and I don’t really care about it too much number 6. Nino and Adrian don’t seem that close, which I don’t like Nino at all to be honest since he stalk his GF/Ayla and Cat noir too! And I think they should not be friends to be honest (wow I keep saying to be honest so much- Okay I will try to saying) Number 7. Puppeteer isn’t really that bad which Mari is at her worst in that episode so yeah I explain it in “Mari isn’t a stalker” so yeah I will not be including that number 7. MLB is better in anime, which I would aspect on why master fu choose Children’s instead of adults and anime’s usually no mostly pick teenager/children so if it was anime then I will be fine with it because when it is 2d then I will be fine with it, since it is 2d so and 2d make me not think of real like since it is flat (Well….. usually 2d, for the characters and also the background it can be 2d) And when I see 3d since we are living in a 3d world so yeah number 8. The new season s are better than the older seasons which that is your choice but I don’t really find it good but that is just my opinion, also I didn’t do all questions and didn’t finish them (Also no hate)
U put more effort into that paragraph than I put into all my hw 💀💀
What’s worse is in the new episodes they didn’t back down and instead claimed she new it for the next 15 years. When Marinette finally decided to stop stalking her friends thought that was crazy, they don’t call her out and in the episode where she is so creepy trying to kiss a “statue” of adrien they didn’t back down and tried to make it a good thing, saying his crush for her might of began there.
I believe Felix though can be excused, sure he was stalking Kagami, but he was also supposed to stalk Adrien’s life in general to find the perfect opportunity, and he also has no social life, he had an abusive father, sure not excuses but it’s only a little and marinette is way worse despite having normal and loving parents with a social life. What’s also weird is when someone stalks Kagami she calls them out as a stalker, but calls Marinette normal for stalking and even says that is proof for Adrien and Marinette to be together....
correction: she is just obsessed, not a stalker
@@catnoirisMINEi honestly think it's both, what she does can easily be considered to be stalking, i would be fucking scared for my life if anyone did those things to me💀
@@meowm1auu. stalking is following him 24/7 which clearly she doesn’t do. she just knows a whole dang lot about him which is an obsession
i do think marinette is a stalker though. and gabriel is definitely a child abuser. bro neglects his son but never lets him go out and tries to isolate him and genuinely doesn't care about him at all. adrien is such a nice, selfless person and loves his dad but is clearly depressed because of all the abuse and neglect.
3:09 aw my favorite 😍
Also finally someone agrees with me about puppeteer 2! Tbh I’m desensitized to all the second hand embarrassment of this show just because there’s so much of it and it’s funny to me 💀💀💀
literally to everything you just said, samee.. everything in this show is just fun laughs and funny cringe moments
Don't know unpopular or not but-
Natalie is by far the only character that develops every season and she has like wayyyyy more plot (except season 4 but she still gets one of the twin rings there)
YES NATHALIE IS AWESOME
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS TELL US WHAT A CHARACTER IS FEELING AND WHY THEY CANT DO SOMETHING?? THEY SAY WHY THEY CANT REVEAL THEMSELVES IN AMAZING AND DETAILED WAYS IN SERIOUS MOMENTS... LIKE BRO WE GET IT
Just wanting to add a bit of my thoughts on the "reveal episodes ruinied it" opinion.
I think they are actually necessary to tell the viewer why it must not happen, why the viewer cannot expect that happy ending yet. At least for me it does build up tension. I now feel anxious about the whole romatic plot (not in a bad way), its potential to cause a cataclysm on its own and I wonder how they will solve that problem in the end. I dont feel like it ruined it for me but just made me more excited for it :)
Also Cat Blanc was my favourite episode for that devastated feeling it gave me, that poor guy.
Ngl I’m still not over Cat Blanc 😭
The problem i have with the reveal episodes is the "how it happenend after" with Cat Blanc, okay Adrien stop the Akuma directly before his fathers eyes and transformed to save Marinette. But the second time, Gabriel realise that his son is Cat Noir because he hear him saying My Lady to Marinette on the phone? Thats stupid, bc in season one he saw the Miraculous in his sons finger and did never come to this point.
The same for Adrien too, when he hit Moanrch with his Cataclysm on the arm, and a few hours later he saw that his dad has now an injury on exactly that spot? Adrien is not dump so he should have realized the meaning of this. Well i would accept if it would be some kind of denial, but no a few episodes later he talks with Ladybug how happy he would be if they would finally find out Monarchs identity...
It seems they always getting the Characters out of Character if its needet for the story.
i agree that they were necessary, but ngl they went so fast i didnt get to take it in
plus it woulda been more effective anyways if they developed it slower? idk those eps felt too summarized
@@Twilightspirits The felt a little bit Summarize, yes. And for my opinion they could have strecht all of it over several episodes, but i also understand why they did it the way it is. Think about it, if you see more stretched versions of it, and in the end we are back to the point where we started and this events not playing out. it would feel very dissapointed to me. slow development can be good, but there are good reasons for both ways.
i thought i'd get jumped for saying marinettes hair down was ugly😭 they did her so dirty
it looks like Minecraft hair
1:42 thats not an unpopular opinion a large majority of the fandom seems to already think that.
Everyone is mnn :
"Season 4 is the best season ever"
Season 4 :
*Horrible animation* , *literally only 4 episodes added something to the plot* , *basically no love square momment* , *literally no new villains* etc.
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ truth and lie 1
Wishmaker 2
Forgot the name, it's when scarabella shows up 3
And last attack of shadow moth 4
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ oh damn.... But still season 4 is not the best season.
And yes, i accept defeat 💀👑
"if marinette is a stalker, then gabriel is abusive, alya is a stalker and felix is a creep" - exactly. gabriel is supposed to be abusive, alya is supposed to be unhealthily obsessed with ladybug, and felix is supposed to be a creep in that one scene.
Nah Cus the Zoe one is so true also I hate how they reversed all of Chloe’s character development I was so annoyed when they did that
Here are mine
-Lila is awful, but an epic villain who adds a lot to the show
-Zoe is overhated
-Nathalie is a better villain than Gabriel
-Nino is bland
I agree
Nino pisses me off sometimes
@@Munch0192 why?
i agree with everything, especially the zoe part
Oh my god. Dude I thought I was the only me who thought her hair looked bad out I was so like it’s literally a block it hurts and I agree with basically all of your opinions except 2 the beginning one of marinette being a stalker and I think she is but that’s just my opinion I do think they exaggerate a lot of things in TV shows but I do think it was a bit far her breaking into his house and sniffing all his stuff it just felt a bit weird, and I really like Cat Blanc episode I don’t know why but him being evil was amazing for some reason probably Cause I simp for Cat Noir (weird I know) I love the New York special and Nino and Adrian need more screen time for real tho it makes me rage
4:45 it’s because they used Miraculous as a test run. After the show got really popular they the announced a bunch of new super hero themed shows (Ghost Force, Pixie Girl, etc.) under the ZAG brand which explains why the animation and the writing is going down in quality as they’ve put to much on their plate (intentionally or not)
Here is my unpopular opinion, I actually don’t think Marinette did anything wrong in Volpina.
The first thing she saw Lila doing was her sexually harassing, Adrian, and Lila was very clearly trying to take advantage of him. Do I deny that it was done partially out of jealousy, heck no. But even then, I think it stopped being about jealousy the moment she heard her lying about her. Also, Marinette is involved in the lies that Lila was spinning so she did have a right to call her out for it.
Thirdly, Lila lying about being best friends with Ladybug, and being a Superhero were not only stupid but extremely dangerous! What if hawk moth had seen the interview and thought that he could get to Ladybug by using her? Even if jealousy wasn’t in the equation, Marinette would’ve had the responsibility to shut that down fast, so to not have a civilian put herself in danger.
And the point about, “ladybug shouldn’t have been harsh “ is frankly bullshit. And it also is shown that later on that Lila’s issue wasn’t that ladybug was harsh, it was that she got called out at all.
thank you
I totally agree with you about the fact that Marinette is way better with her hair up. When the other characters just say "you look beautiful this way'' I'm just like: You don't have to say lies dudeeeee.
The original protagonist of the show was Felix, and I think it would be more interesting than Adrien. I mean a cute girl like Marinette having a crush on the coldest guy of the school is much better than a clumsy Marinette who can't confess her feelings for a "perfect'' character.
i want more villain theories :(((( your voice is so relaxing btw
Your telling me the only reason it’s not an anime is because of her SPOTS?!?!
The problem with Marinette being stalkerish is that is sets a bad example for kids. It can send the message that this type of behavior is okay when it definitely isn't.
Astruc killed this show, imo
It would of been better if it
Wasn't a kids show, it could
Of been more mature & dark
& actually created intimidating
Villains & better storylines.
SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT.
I never liked marinette's hair free and wondered how anyone did
I don't think the "Zoe is a useless character", "Gabriel only didn't win because of his stupidity", "the pacing is weird", and "Miraculous would have been better as an anime" are unpopular opinions. And the "Agreste brand is mid" is kinda, I guess? I see most people (including me here) roasting Gabriel for having a bad fashion-sense, we don't even give him as much credit as mid. Otherwise these examples, yeah, they are definetely unpopular opinions, especially the "Marinette is not a stalker", "The new seasons are better than the old ones", and "That scene wasn't as good as everyone says it is".
Unpopular Opinion: Lukanette is the best ship. Especially now that the TRUTH is no longer a problem (the reason they had to break up was because Luka didn't know marinette was ladybug) since Luka knows Marinette's true identity now, he can be as valuable an asset as Aliyah is for ladybug. Because Luka is the second smartest character in the show after Felix. I bet he has the knowledge to beat monarch.
And the only reason it isn't working out now is because the writers had to literally retcon Marinette's feelings from actually being romantically attracted to Luka (Silencer and Truth), to never having said feelings for Luka but feeling bad since she knows Luka still loves her (Crocoduel), and finally to her thinking that no boy had and will ever love her (I'm not sure which S5 episode had that piece of dialogue).
It's kind of frustrating yet amusing, in the sense that Lukanette would win but destiny (writers) said NO.
@@matildachao8336 FR. I actually hate the writers so much.
I disagree lukanette wasn't the best ship, Idk maybe it's just me but I never really like the ship as it always feel as though marinette was never there foe luka.Think about it Luka is away helping Marinette and catering toward her need yet Marinette never did anything for luka even when finding his father marinette never helps he did it himself, it just feel like Luka being a good boyfriend but he himself is being neglected.
in my option the two best ships are Mylene x Ivan and rose x juleka
Your opinions are valid. Though i disagree with some of them.
Marinette IS a stalker. Not that kind of stalker who will spy on you all the time, but she definitely DID act like one in certain episodes.
Example; In one episode that I don't remember the name, Marinette tried to break into (or spy on) Adrien's house. Because, according to her, she's just "protecting" him from Lila.
Tell me, what kind of bad things she think Lila can do to Adrien? Of course, Lila lies, and can hurt (emotionally) Adrien because of it; But, like, Lila isn't going to _physically_ hurt him, and if she ever tried to, I really doubt Nathalie and/or Adrien's BodyGuard would let that pass; Heck, I don't think even Gabriel would let that pass.
And, even though she would physically hurt him, there's still NO excuses for Marinette trying to break into Adrien's house. That's literally against the law and no good example for kids whatsover.
In one of the movies, the Shangai Special, she lied to her own parents that she wanted to go to Shangai for her family's tradition (i think it was tradition? Idk- something like that ig lol), but, in reality, she just happened to know that Adrien was going to Shangai, and she wanted to go to everywhere he goes, apparently, so she decided to also go to Shangai, just for him.
Some might think that this is cute, but i honestly think thats some stalkerish act right there.
And there is more, but i really don't want to watch the episodes again for that.
And, yes, you're right; Cartoons ARE meant to exaggerate real life, and there is no problem with that; The problem, is that, while normally there would be having consequences, in Miraculous, there is absolutely NO consequences for Marinette's actions. The characters even supported it like whattheheck?
Cartoons are supposed to be funny and exaggered, but also educational for the kids' development. In Miraculous, the characters literally SUPPORT Marinette's actions, and lil' kids watching this show might think that it's okay try to break down into their crushes' house, stealing their phones, and try to ruin any possible romantic relationship they might have, because, according to the show, is in the name of the "love".
Zoe... She is a good person, that's for sure; She's nice, she's a great actor, and everyone loves her. So what's the problem?
She literally just appeared just to replace Chloe. Aaaand she's a Mary Sue.
There is literally no other reason for her to appear if it isn't to her being the new Queen Bee. They scrapped Chloe's WHOLE redemption arc and gave it to Zoe, because Chloe's OWN creator hates her (Chloe).
Zoe is nice, that's for sure, but her character is so bland that it's impossible to actually like her CHARACTER instead of her persona.
Everyone instantly loves her, not even a single doubt about her; she's literally the sister of the person who BULLIED them for *years*, why does everyone instantly loves her? What if she's pretending to be nice? Where is the doubt? Is everyone that naive? And why does Marinette gives her phone number to Zoe RIGHT after she met her? She's a stranger, you shouldn't trust strangers THAT easily.
The problem is... That Miraculous is a really bad-written show with bad-written characters, bad written-timeline and etc... Miraculous has some great potential, but the writters just doesn't know how to portrait it, which makes many people have a kind of love-hate relationship with the show. They hate the way the show is written, but they love the concept and potential this show has. (That's how I treat Miraculous, anyway- Not trying to assume anything.)
People usually would like to like the character first, instead of the persona they have.
People can like William Afton (FNaF) as a person, but love him as a character.
Pepole can like Zoe as person, but hate her as a character.
It doesn't matter if the persona is good, the character also have to be good-written, especially if u want your character to be realistic and/or be relatable.
A character have to have flaws, don't be clearly supported for their actions (unless it's on purpose) have consequences for their actions, development, and etc.
It's the same thing for a couple; A couple have it's flaws, consequences, development, and etc.. It's impossible for a couple to be absolutely perfect. Likewise, it is impossible for a human being to be absolutely perfect.
(Before someone mentions Barbie, Barbie IT'S supposed to be perfect, she's not a human being like us, who has flaws and imperfections, Barbie was created to portray an image of perfection. The same thing happens with Ken. ~ I didn't watch the movies, only a few clips from it, so I don't really know- Correct me if I'm wrong! And I'm sorry if i offended someone with this comment.)
anyway thats just my own opinion though! I respect ur opinion as long as u respect mine. =3
and i'm sorry for the long text lol-- TwT I got a lil' carried away-
Zoe is like the actor they add last minute because the one actually for that part is stuck on traffic
the reason for the animation quality going down is because after its success and due to streaming rights stuff the animation went to one company which then went out of business which means it went to another company (tldr: it bounced around a lot of companies so now it looks worse)
Imo I think 3d suits the show more than 2d. Because imagine these cringe moments in 2d, they would probably be less cringy (some people might think its a good thing but a lot of people say the shows cringy moments is what makes Miraculous, Miraculous) and I just feel like 3d makes it feel funner. I dont know how to explain it properly but this is what I think
i agree!!
I ADORE pupeteer 2, and I LOVE making my friends watch it, their reactions are HILARIOUS!!!
-one turned bright red and covered her face.
-one just ran away
-my sister just hides
-my mom looks at me like: this is what u do with ur time
-my dad ‘has to take a shower’
Hehe introvert life hacks 🥰
hahaha 🤣
Most of these I understand except for Marinette being a stalker, while Marinette isn't any more and I actually really enjoy her in s4-5 she was definitely a stalker and here is all of my evidence.
* stole Adrien phone because she confessed to him by accident
* knew his entire schedule for 3 years
* broke into his house to give him a love letter, smelt and touched all of his things.
* manipulated her parent into giving her money to go to Shanghai so she could see Adrien.
* there are multiple time were Marinette knows exactly what Adrien is doing and has a whole plan revolved around it
* Was smelling statue Adrien ,plucked a piece of his hair for later, And was going to kiss said statue.
* was hating on Lila because of Adrien ( note she does end up hating Lila for other reason but this was her original reason why)
* Literally tried to sabotage kagami in multiple occasion because she had a crush on Adrien ( Marinette does apologize)
* has pretend to be a guy to sneak into Adrien party
* has snuck into event/party multiple time just to talk to Adrien
These are in no way normal things and if people say it just a cartoon so it doesn't matter then why in earth shoukd I care about any of these character, why should I care about adrienette being a cute ship why ship it if it doesn't matter.
Why have emotional moment if it doesn't matter.It was also a problem during the first 3 season because Marinette was meant to be a role model as for anyone who argue no kid is going to take that seriously I would like to say that's dumb.
If kids didn't take show seriously why would we have cartoon all about teaching kids moral, When I was a kid I learned a lot of things form cartoon and real life, some ppl say the parent should be teaching them thus stuff is bad but I found the argument to not make any sense if the parent have to teach them this stuff is bad that mean the show is a horrible influence if parent have to explain y but not the show that mean the child shouldn't be watching.
"Zoe' stop waisting our time"
Me knowing what Zoe will be getting soon: O.O
Let’s be honest cat blanc and ephemeral were just trolls
I don't think Cat Blanc was, because he was mentioned a couple of times in Season 4.
yea.. i really wish those episodes never happened, bc now people (myself included) don't really care about the reveal when it actually happens. because from the reveals i have seen, I am very dissapointed..
Chat blanc= adrien only liking marinette because she is ladybug, and same thing in ephemeral tbh
Adrienette is just too awkward.. and their relationship is so boring and has no layers...it honestly feels like there's no reason that they should like eachother.
There's only one good thing about those 2 episodes: it showed me that i shouldn't get my hopes up to be very dissapointed by an actual reveal
You know what? 2:35 there was an experiment where Payless workers told rich people that their shoes were very popular name brands and the rich people were complimenting how good the shoes were, when they were just Payless shoes with a different name. Says something about fashion huh?
Okay, cartoons can do and be whatever you want, sure, but Marinette is sitll a stalker. Like, just factually. They could've exaggerated her crush in other ways. And Felix being a creep and Gabriel being a child abuser frankly have nothing to do with this and are well-acknowledged facts. In fact, I'd say they further the idea that Marinette is a stalker. If those are accurate descriptions of the characters' behavior, then why isn't stalker an accurate description for Marinette's behavior? Not acknowledging her behavior as stalkerish is actually dangerous, especially because Miraculous Ladybug is a kid's show. By not depicting her stalker behavior as bad, you are inadvertently teaching children that hey, this is fine! You can do this stuff with zero consequences. It's just bad all around.
IKR the animation is so bad sometimes. like the episodes had so much potential to be 10x better if they had better animation
Personally I think people in comment section are just being dramatic. You can argue about weather she is a stalker or not and I don't really care even if she is. What matters is that her actions have never hurted anyone(as far as I remember). I mean, yeah, she has a collection of his photos but who doesn't have a photos of their crush? She knows his schedule. But again haven't you ever learnt by heart your crush's schedule? And a chest of gifts for him is a very cute gesture. I don't consider her behavior creepy or awful at all, it' perfectly normal by me. You can try to prove me wrong
I totally agree. What's wrong with keeping multiple gifts for her crush. The only thing that was creepy was her breaking into Adrien's house and smelling his pillow but at least she faced the consequences with the whole cat blanc situation. Also Lila is a liar and a manipulator. Marinette didn't want someone like Lila dating Adrien. Also when she tried to sabotage kagami she realized it was wrong and stopped it. And to the people saying Marinette's stalking will influence younger audience, I watched miraculous when I was 8 and I just laughed at the scenes and didn't pay much attention to it I never went out of my way to stalk someone because I thought it was okay since a cartoon character did it and I'm pretty sure that any decent and mentally stable five year old wouldn't just randomly stalk their crush because they saw a fictional character do it. And if the child did I because they saw it on TV then that's the parent's fault for not training their child with the proper morals
one opinion that i cant agree with is the it would have been better without cat blanc i feel it was important for us to know the reason why they cant just reveal their identities and the problems and overall destruction it would cause but i understand why some people would only want to see it once but also keep in mind that the writers can really surprise you on the final reveal
Marinette is a stalker and all the characters in Miraculous Lasy are not normal. They didn't drink normal pills in every episodes
Your opinions are facts
True
felix is wayyy better he is just so ...intense and fun to watch like seriously.
there is a theory that zoe is the daughter of marinatte and adrian from the future and came from the future for saving cloé
My unpopular opinion is that I ship Luka with Marinette, and Adrien with Kagami, not Adrien with Marinette. When I was younger my sisters just told me that they were meant to be together and I just went along with it, then when I watch season 2 and 3 and especially 4 over again I realise that kagami and Luka are really good partners, and Adrien and Marinette treat them like dog crap. Like literally Luka dates Marinette even though she clearly still has feelings for Adrien, and he helps her through it like an understanding boyfriend, and Kagami helps Adrien face his father and helps him realize what his actual goal in life is, and helps him understand the world better. Like frick, Kagami literally says "Do you feel the same... Do you love me too?" and Adrien just says "Excuse me?" people think this is a joke but it makes me sad every time I see it. Here Kagami is professing her deepest feelings and Adrien is not even paying attention or caring. Even after she's akumatised and they break up he seems lighthearted and doesn't seem like he cares at all that he just broke his friend's heart. For Luka it's almost as bad, as Marinette and him date for a while and she clearly likes him. He treats her well and understands her feelings. He is a really good person. Marinette got lucky to have him, and she clearly thinks he's attractive too, but even while all this is happening she keeps looking at Adrien like *Wow, I wish I had him instead* when Luka is right there. Can the woman be grateful for 5 seconds. Like I get it's her choice and all but she would rather have a famous model that doesn't even like her (yet) then her actual caring, kind, understanding, cute boyfriend that cares about her. I really hope Lukagami actually happens because the two characters deserve each other in a relationship because they actually care about people unlike Adrien and Marinette.
anyway kagami's having someone else now
our luka is left alone with no one in his life
maybe master su han
I was joking really
I wanna add additional information to this comment now that we have new info from Season 5, and Adrien and Marinette are actually together. Okay Kagami yes, gets with Felix, which I’m slowly starting to ship more and more. But Luka, Luka is the couple’s counselor for Adrinette. Literally he talks to Marinette (his ex) and Adrien (his ex’s new boyfriend) about their relationship. I’m sorry but if that was mean I would feel horrible being the counselor for my ex. Like what the heck, so unrealistic
Hold up she ain’t a stalker!??????
In the Shanghi special, the most powerful of Fei's powers was of the dragon. She could only use it once she was truly ready for such a responsibility! Ladybug spent like...10 minutes too many trying to get her to activate it when in much less lime she could've used the horse miraculous Master Fu let her borrow to retrieve the dragon Miraculous from Paris which held the same power which could be used by anyone who gets their hand on it ready or not. That was really lame...
i kinda feel like fei's miraculous thing is kinda useless and pointless idk
I actually agree with most of your opinions. I haven't heard many of them before but I agree with them, especially the first few. I also like season 5 a lot. there's a lot more drama as you said, a lot more complexity, a lot more development and it feels like things are finally starting to change.
Marinettes bun was so cute
yessss
You had some great points about Cat Blanc and Ephemeral being useless, but here are my thoughts. Everyone was super annoyed at the writers for not giving us a proper reveal, but the purpose of these episodes was probably to show us the consequences of what would happen if the reveal happened. They wanted to make us understand why Ladybug and Cat Noir's identities must remain a secret so we would stop pestering them. But of course this is all just my opinion and I'm totally fine if you disagree :)
Aka they wasted time and resources to make fake out after fake out episodes instead of furthering along the plot.
@@luna4885 lmaoo
@@esayem7746 yep!... i'm not even excited for the reveal anymore cus i just know it will be dissapointing
adrien and marinette plus ladybug and chat noir romantic relationship is kinda toxic. I love them but especially adrien and marinette relationship is built up of lies and we know how adrien is like with secrets like with ladybug. i understand why there are lies but marinette is hiding so deep that when adrien finds out its not gonna end well. ( i love miraculous but sometimes the writing and characters dont make sense and i wish the heros/ good guy characters have more deeper meaning in the story like maybe if chloe's redemption arc wasnt taken, her and zoe could bond and understand each other than just replacing chloe and making her more hated )
Me personally, the anime looked HORRIBLE. It looked awful and weird. I'm so glad it wasn't in 2d.
yea same! but i kinda wish we got the plot of it, with marinette and felix instead of adrien
All These pinions are literally the same opinions I have so thank you for that but I think the only one I disagree with is chat blanc being not needed I think the main point of that episode was to basically traumrized maribug cause after that episode her way of thinking changed severally and we can see it when she is distance from chat noir and hints of this trauma show up in episode 14 and even the season finale! and I’m sure we will see more this season so I do think chat blanc was needed but ephemeral? no it wasn’t needed it should of been left for the dead
I. LOVE. LILA. she gives the story so much development, drama and is just so fun and interesting to watch. I don't like her as a person but I love her as a root for a plot.
I cant say I agree with everything in this video, but if there is one thing I absolutely do agree on its that Miraculous would have been way better as an anime. When I first seen the ads for Miraculous I assumed it was going to be a cheap crappy show for children. I distinctly remember feeling sorry for kids for getting stuck with it. Basically I judged a book by its cover. The storyline to me is amazing, I love the show, and the art over the years has grown on me, but I do feel that the show in an anime art style, one that looked like black butler, another, death note, or even less defined one's like ariety, ponyo, or princess tutu would have been a better choice. And imagine if this show had the budget to make the characters with beautiful semi realistic art, and maybe a little bit more older, the show would be 100% perfect. But I genuinely do agree that anime would have been a way better option.
i feel like Miraculous ladybug could have been much better if it was meant for older audiences, by this i don’t mean that they have to cuss or be inappropriate in any way, i mean like it being more serious, or having deep meaningful conversations that don’t get swept under the rug immediately.
i feel that if the character development was spread out through the seasons and not crammed in a single episode this show would be better.
i could honestly go on four hours which is funny sense im actually a big fan or Miraculous, but i feel that this show could have had so much potential.
This is only my opinion
I think the reveals episodes are important in the way they show us Adrien and Marinette need to love eachother for who they are. In both the reveals Adrien loves marinette because she is ladybug and marinette loves cat noir because he is Adrien. They don’t accept both sides of the person only the one they love.
I do agree it was unnecessary to have to reveals and wish they only had one
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@@miraculousdeepdive2969 np you actualy are amazing
hm.. i dont agree with the first , the puppetear 2 and the newer seasons being better but the rest ones are pretty on the point but all your opinions are valid so ya know
also my rare opinion is... that almost all maris hair styles on fusion costumes are really cool and i think it should be illegal to use the horse miracoules and NOT add a pony tail , that is just manditory.
(dont like the short pigtales tho-)
this is just a mini opinion so please don't like- fight in the replies but
I don't understand why people say "its going to teach kids that stalking is okay" Kids aren't that stupid, they do know the basics between right and wrong. obviously following people around and stalking their schedule isn't okay. Even a 4 year old would know that, and at the end of the day its the parents fault if the kids believe what they're told from a TV show. The point of childrens entertainment is for. children. entertainment. Its not a learning show for the most part. parents shouldn't be leaving their children in front of a screen to learn. It's not the shows job to set an example a parent should have set since day one. Do i believe they should tone it down a bit?, yes. i very much do. It makes Marinette's character tiring and boring. same old same old, but do i think they should completely remake her character to please a few in the audience?, nope. understand peoples reasoning and i respect it, if it doesn't change the next best option is to avoid it all together (not being rude) I'm open to your thoughts, these are simply mine. But no fighting pls and ty
0:25-0:29
Yes & Hawmoth most
Definently is a abusive parent
& Felix is Creepy tbh
everyone in this show is
A terrible person there's
No Morality in this show
Which makes it terrible
Especially since it's
Supposed to be a show
About superheros yet
Everyone acts like a villain.
i 100% agree for emphemeral and cat blanc
they littrely made big reveals and wrote in in the worst way possible
they were not nice to watch and both of them left me emotionally scarred
and the fact the after everything, they act like nothing happend at the end of it
Who doesn't love "Puppeteer II"?! Are they insane?! The only thing I regret is when Adrien pulled away. Lame move dude. You should have drank that up.
😞 He should've let Marinette kiss him when he clearly did not wamt that?
WHEN YOU SHOWED TWICE WHEN SAYING "not once but twice" ATE
I don’t like how they ruined Chloe’s character development . Chloe could of redeemed herself to get the queen bee miraculous back and the fact Zoe got the miraculous the second episode of s4 that’s ridiculous considering Chloe loved been recognised she didn’t know the outcome
-Hawkmoth changes his name everytime he gets overpowered by 1% and it dosnt even make since like when he fixed the peacock miraclous, he used it along with the butterfly and called himself shadowmoth which makes no since and when he got all the miraclouses he nammed himself monarch which makes no sence too
Hope you liked my unpopular opinion
I like the MLB but I actually hate the creators sm they’re such creeps
i totally agree with these!!!!
so many people disagree with the first one and it’s so tiring lol. i totally get how it can get weird but it’s like you said :)
Honestly, I agree with @AJ //whereismywife. Even if cartoons exaggerate, she's breaking the law, smelling his clothes, and has a schedule for what he does everyday. And what's worse is she's supposed to be a role model. Although I understand the idea, she's the definition of a stalker, and yes, everything else she mentioned about Alya being a stalker and Gabriel being abusive is true too.
You don't have to respond if you don't want to. This is just what I saw. :)
There are multiple cartoons that exaggerate crimes such as the amazing world of gumball. Like Nicole literally committed arson and potentially killed Harold because she was mad that he didn't like her sushi. Or in the episode where gumball kept on trying to make tobias slap his butt which can be counted as harassment. There are many other cartoons that exaggerate crimes but don't get hate for it
@@hannahodedeyi9312 That's because they're not human. Their show is definitely to entertain people with its humour, it just to happen that they have bits and pieces of lore smeared on them.
The difference is that Miraculous is a show based around human, their protagonist is a good and nice girl while Gumbal is a loser (the show's says that, not me)
You are comparing a show that are aware that they are in a show, to a show that are (suppose to be) filled with lore.
She IS A STALKER
Anyone else remember the final of s4 when all of Pari were chantting LADYBUG's name?
2:24 i subscribed because of that some of gabriels designs are REALLY good but other times you wonder why the heck he is a famous fashion designer
"Isn't Gabriel a child abuser?"😃
They only care about Marrinette’s life, they make Adrien adjust to things SO QUICKLY like in ephemeral ladybug takes her sweet time accepting that Adrien is catnoir and Adrien just accepts it in the spot? Like they really do not care about Adrien and he just exits to be the love interest nothing more😐
Literally this
ik im so late but this is soo true. They always do this. In the Kuro Neko Ep, they just excuse Chat Noir as “sensitive” LB indirectly says she does not need Chat anymore. It makes sense that he was hurt. Then they make Adrien just forgive her since he was just “overly sensitive” ?!! Adrien does not need to adjust and forgive everyone so quickly. Marinette always takes her time, but Adrien has to do everything so quickly.
Ladybug didn’t directly say that he was not needed anymore she just said that in certain missions he’s not necessary and that she’s just giving him a break! In my opinion Adrien was being quite selfish in that episode, but yeah that’s just me :) they should definitely make chat noir more useful though
@@Maysely true, but I do think they shouldn’t have just excused it as sensitivity. He has all the rights to be hurt :) but yeah they should make him more useful in the future missions, im really hoping that LB isn’t going to do the same thing now that she gained all the the miraculous back
Ok but I don't think Gabriel is actually thaaattt stupid. He is slightly dumb, but if he weren't then Lady if and Cat noir could never beat him. He literally has almost all the miraculouses and still can't win. I get that ladybug and Cat noir are like the balance or whatever but like...he could literally have given Natalie a miraculous and manipulated her into thinking she was doing it for Adrian (since she's not doing it for Gabriel anymore), plus he could acumatize someone and then give them a miraculous through the rings, and have what like 3 miraculouses himself? He could probably even give Natalie 2 (not more cause she's weak cause of the peacock miraculous) he could beat them so easily. 3 villains against 2 superheroes and 3 miraculouses for him, 2 for Natalie, 1 for the acumatized person, and whatever power they get from the akuma. That's 5 miraculouses plus one extra power against 2 miraculouses. But This will never happen because ladybug and Cat noir at a the hero's. Honestly, I kind of want one of ladybug or catnoirs miraculous to get captured. Obviously they'd get it back. In my opinion they could take ladybugs (in a way that doesn't reveal her identity) and then find out hawkmoth is Gabriel and then get her miraculous back and then they will know who hawkmoth is. I also think Felix would be an important character for what I'm describing. Another long ramble for me. Have a good day.
Edit: I 10000000% agree with the fact that it would look better as an anime. I still love miraculous though. Also cant wait for the new movie coming out. Also also Felix is my favorite character. I feel like his character has so much depth. He might be the villain but he actually cares about people. Like his mother, cousin, aunt (considering his reaction he. He saw her body), he was even trying to protect marinette. And you could tell how he wanted to help kagami too. You could tell he felt bad about everything he'd done after he couldn't bring marinette back. (I still don't get why. Ladybug is still marinette)
Unpopular opinion: adrinette is a bad ship and ladynoir is pretty toxic. The good ones are marichat and ladybug x adrien. Ik their all the same people just different form but the way they are matters a lot. Ladybug is super toxic to chat noir and marinette is creepy and a stalker to adrien. The best ship between them is marichat because that relationship is the only one where they can be each other and talk to the real one another and there is no toxicity between them.
I mean people get closure to know if they fell in love too early then akumitized
To me, marinette is a stalker, Gabe is a child abuser, Felix is a creep lol, idk bout Alya tho
I agree to all of this so why is it unpopular I LOVE PUPPETEER TWO I WNAT IT TO BE 2D ANIMATION STYLE
Love this video, but here are my opinions on this video (no hate, ALL love here 🥰)
1. We LOVEE Mari but to say she isn’t a stalker is not it😂 she obsessed over this boy and knows his schedule to a T. She LITERALLY followed him to Shanghai😭🤦🏽♀️ and yes, Alya is a stalker as well & Gabriel is most definitely a child abuser in more ways than one.
2. Also, I feel like everyone hates Zoe because the creators wanted to replace the holder of the miraculous when she didn’t even want it initially. I think it was just to add more to the show. The fandom is growing so why not the cast. Plus the whole American girl living abroad storyline. She has a lot of untapped potential.
3. Moving on, I also agree that Gabriel’s fashion is boring. Audrey is the one who discovered him and I still don’t know why.
4. Now let’s talk about the “reveals” episode and why they DO matter, both episodes show what happens when there is a “reveal” instead of a realization. Because both characters are in love with only half of the person it makes sense that it ends in disaster. It shows that they have to love ALL sides of them and not just one. Meaning Ladybug has to be just as in love with Cat Noir and she is with Adrien and he has to be just as in love with Marinette as he is with ladybug or else it won’t work which is why it’s better that Mari and Adrien date so they can figure it out later than just telling each other. (I can talk about this for hours lol but I won’t)
5. The New York special was GOLDEN ! I loved it
6. I agree that the finale for season four wasn’t that great but I still liked it. Plus im still a bit mad that Cat forgave her so quickly
7. Puppeteer 2 wasn’t a bad episode at all but the statue scene was cringey to watch 😂😭it was a great episode
8. They changed the age rating after season 3 and originally the show was meant for teenagers not little kids :) hence the more mature storylines
9. Adrien is not perfect 😂 at all. But we can assume he comes off that way and is so nice because of his mothers influence not his dad’s. Although, Felix is much more interesting to watch (but I don’t believe either is a sentimonster tbh)
10. I feel like they need to write better scenes for Nino and Adrien because they could be just as close as Mari and Alya and maybe enough that he would tell Nino his secret too. But he is a blabber mouth so many not that that close but closer
Ikr people are like she is a stalker
It’s a kids show it’s supposed to be more crazy it isn’t even a real human
Chloe should've stayed queen bee, Ladybug is a literal hippacrit. Not because of herself, because of Nino and alya like she permently gave alya the miraculous
I mean Zoe is meant to also help Chloe and she helps character development for Marinette
Yes, tell that, marinette isn’t a stalker….also. Marinette hair is awesome, with her hair down….all hair styles of her is amazing. Also I know adrien, has been sad, but let’s not hate marinette for anything. Zoe isn’t a useless character, she might be a replacement for Chloe, but she is better than Chloe. Also whenever their is a reveal of adrienette, it’s like Gabriel is after it, he stops and destroys the relationship between them. All writing in the show/movies are amazing, even if adrien, and nino aren’t that friendly…..it’s kinda better then being lonely. Adrien just deserves a friend.also miraculous isn’t a kids show anymore, it’s for everyone.with all ages. I luv puppeteer 2, idc what u say, but…..it’s amazing.however it is, Thomas is just doing it’s job.
Felix might have lairs to his hair or whatever….but he’s cool.
Marinette is always a better character, so pls stop hating characters and give them another chance.
ZOE IS NOT BETTER. CHLOE IS AN ICONIC CHARACTER AND HER REDEMPTION WAS AMAZING BEFORE THEY SCRAPPED THE WHOLE IDEA.
@@brendonslife4584 𝔡𝔬𝔢𝔰 𝔦𝔱 𝔩𝔬𝔬𝔨 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔦 𝔠𝔞𝔯𝔢?𝙽𝙾!𝖕𝖑𝖚𝖟 𝖎 𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖑𝖑 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖐 𝕫𝕠𝕖 𝕚𝕤 𝕓𝕖𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕟 𝕙𝕖𝕣 𝕤𝕠 𝕚 𝕨𝕠𝕟𝕥 𝕔𝕙𝕒𝕟𝕘𝕖 𝕞𝕪 𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕕. 𝕡𝕝𝕦𝕤 𝕚 𝕝𝕚𝕜𝕖 𝕝𝕚𝕝𝕒 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕔𝕙𝕝𝕠𝕖...𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕗𝕖𝕝𝕚𝕩 𝕔𝕒𝕦𝕤𝕖 𝕠𝕗 𝕨𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖𝕪 𝕕𝕠 𝕚𝕟 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕤𝕙𝕠𝕨 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕤𝕙𝕠𝕨 𝕟𝕖𝕖𝕕𝕤 𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕞𝕒. 𝕓𝕦𝕥 𝕚 𝕕𝕠𝕟𝕥 𝕡𝕚𝕔𝕜 𝕨𝕙𝕠 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕤𝕥 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕨𝕙𝕠 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕓𝕖𝕤𝕥. 𝕡𝕝𝕦𝕤...𝕖𝕧𝕖𝕟 𝕚𝕗 𝕚 𝕕𝕚𝕕 𝕛𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕟𝕠𝕨. 𝕦 𝕤𝕙𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕜𝕖𝕖𝕡 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕔𝕠𝕟𝕧𝕖𝕣𝕤𝕒𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟 𝕥𝕠 𝕦𝕣 𝕤𝕖𝕝𝕗. 𝕡𝕝𝕦𝕤 𝕦𝕣 𝕨𝕒𝕤𝕥𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕞𝕪 𝕥𝕚𝕞𝕖 𝕤𝕠 𝕘𝕥𝕘.
Thomas is doing its job but when the job is garbage then its bot a good job. His writting frankly sucks and I hope the new writters will be able to make something good from the shaky foundation that was layed down by him. And while it is a show enjoyed by every age it is made purely for kids, mostly so that they could excuse the bad writting.
My unpopular opinion is that I don’t see the point in Marinette and Adrien getting together, it’s taking/ taken them so long to get together
Adrien is not perfect
We kinda know why he is caring
His mother is the one who spreader positivity in his life which made him a positive person.
He is awkward socially.
He can be harsh on people who hurt the one he cares about.
He can be selfish at times.
He wants to be a superhero to be free because it is the only chance he can be free from his life as Adrien.
The show did show every side of him.
Didn't you watch the show?
The villans are not better than the heroes
The heroes are not not good but the viallans aren't either probably except felix.
Lila and Gabriel are bad characters.
Marinette is a bad character
Adrien was a good character but season 4 ruined him.
Felix is the only one who is still entertaining.
miraculous fans try not to defend marinette stalking behavior challenge go
I agree with all of these😅
As for the last one, I tell myself he enjoys it because its the only bit of freedom he gets, but sometimes he can be a little too perfect but I blame that on the facade he puts on.
I agree the villains are better but Adrien isn’t that shallow, he is chat noir to escape being imprisoned by his controlled life. A better example is Lila and Marinette, Marinette is indeed shallow, but Lila, she lies a lot and we must wonder why, she also knows sign language and does attend Matinette’s mother’s Chinese lessons or at least writing lessons, she might do it to manipulate her mum but that can’t be the sole reason. She doesn’t hurt anyone and isn’t as bad as people think, she only lies to make herself feel good, sure she wants to ruin Marinette’s life but that was after Marinette tried to ruin hers too. She even tried to be friends with her. Marinette lies all the time too and not only about being a miraculous holder, she is indeed a stalker, trespasser and a thief too as she stole Alya and Adrien’s phones before, like sending an embarrassing message isn’t an excuse. I feel like Lila is there so we know Marinette isn’t the worst person. Like beside Lila and Chloe, marinette is indeed the worse person in their class.
Honestly Gabriel is hands down a child abuser. He emotionally abuses and manipulates adrien. He says what he’s doing is for family but the way he treats adrien doesn’t show it one bit. There are only 2 episodes where he isn’t human garbage. Other than that he is trash and definitely not a sympathetic villain(watch Cyrus the greats vid for a deeper dive into the character)
Why is everyone trashing her opinions in the comments? She litterly put in the title "UNPOPULAR OPINIONS" meaning that there might be things you don't like. If you can't handle other people opinions don't click.
i feel like i'm gonna get hated on by saying this, but i agree that marinette is not a stalker! we should all put ourselves in her shoes and realize why she does certain things. she tries to help adrien, she understands him, as seen in the season 4 finale. if i had a crush i wouldn't go as far as marinette, but i can totally see where she is coming from. i would want to know more about them, for them to like me, and help them in any way possible! (i've had friends who've done the same lol) i don't think we should blame marinette for what she does and what she thinks. btw this is just my opinion! i totally understand if you disagree
Bro she literally makes sure that Kagami can't get anywhere near him in seasons 1-3 even though he seems happy with her and Kagami is a good person.
this is just my opinion! i see where you are coming from and agree that she can be extreme sometimes, but i think she gets bashed too much for some of her minor actions! btw i love kagami
Chloe is an amazing character not an amazing person but an amazingly written character.
Zoe is a horrible character not a horrible person but horribly written and she’s a Mary Sue
3:09 love this!!
Actually Marinette is a stalker. But spoiler for a leaked episode:
Marinette only stalked Adrien as far as she did, and was only tripping over her words around Adrien, because of what Chloe did to her the previous year (basically getting the guy she used to have a crush on to play a cruel "prank" on Marinette.
That's not a reasonable excuse for her EXTREMELY creepy stalking and being invasive with Adrien's personal space and privacy
The dude she had a Crush on was KIM 🫣 . Basically ya´ll debating if she is or not basically first of all in not the Stalker side well there are many types of girls . Some girls like a guy and then get immensly inlove with their crush. With the girls that have a grand love for their crush can cause them a total heartbreak, sometimes the girl that is a teen may think oh no he was supposed to be my future husband and etc. Maybe Marinette is like the type that I wrote. We even get hints , She imagines to get Married and have three children..... I know what your about to say some other types of girl think like that ok ok ok fine you win. Another thing 😉 Some people take the show seriously , that It is like in realife ...... do me a favor yeah you ..... There´ s something about Marinettes staliking and having photos of him ...... Rember that ADRIEN AGRESTE is A FAMOUS FASHION MODEL yes indeed Do me a favor look for Fans going crazy for celebrities yea that happens in real life and the pics are from his photo shoots and selfies with friends. I will say this although I dont hate Chloe she might did it misrable for Marinette. Marinette in the past looks like an innocent and non aggressive but Socqueline defended her from Chloe. So that is it, the Debate is over ........ for me. Also you should Watch Derision once it comes out there will be alot of explaining of her stalking.