The variable speed hopping on Lunaras movement makes her the easiest character to stutter step with. Haven't played in a while but if i remember correctly you just hold the movement button and tap the attack move button when she lands. That way you only stop moving when your speed would have been at its lowest anyway.
I've always had problems stutter stepping with her. It seems like she's always stopped when I want her to move. Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna have to give that a shot.
I wouldn't say "easiest" because that evokes an idea of how much time it would take to learn to do it, which to be honest is a lot (Lunara moves weird!). That said, you are correct that keeping the correct stutter-stepping form with her is extremely effective at making it practically impossible to truly disengage from her without attacking back.
I like Lunara a lot, my approach and build to playing her is a little different. Strat: you're a deer, act like it; be skittish, she's squish, and only tap A when your feet touch the ground (when your move speed is at it's lowest) 1: unless you need the vision, take hippity hop so when you disengage you're disengaged and you can be wherever you need to be more quickly 4: Blossom swell increases the RANGE of your q, it's now longer than your autoattack, poke from safety, THIS DOES NOT CANCEL HIPPITY HOP 7: wild vigor, when you use your W it slows and makes your next 4 attacks stronger, meaning whitemane no longer outheals you! Use it to focus people down! 10: situational, if you're long range poking a lot take the line aoe, if you're murdering people or need more positioning take the boing 13: let them wither, your slow is much stronger now, this combos with wild vigor VERY well! 16: any/all; imo attack speed > range > poison damage, but all synergize with your w, or take cooldown reduction if you're sniping with q a lot 20: Galloping Gait!!!! Enemy running away from you? ENEMY SLAIN! Oh you're being killed? OKAY BYE! It's cooldown is SHORT too! Super underrated perk it feels so unfair
In lvl 1, the whisp talent is so underrated, but it gives you larger area vision an reveals which in my opinion worths more than vision on heroes with toxic dmg. This reveals stealth characters as well which is fun. Great video 👌
yeah the only time u need the talent pally took is when u are versus like a nova or samuro or someone that has stealth, and in this matchup he didnt, so kinda wastefull imo, even the movementspeed talent is better on this big map
lunara's probably my favorite RA. She's definitely a sustained damage type but if you focus blossom talents you can actually get some pretty good burst down, very versatile and helps compensate for heroes with strong sustain like whitemane or khar
"These mercs can do a lot of damage to our building but the good news is there is no building left for them to damage" - Such a glass half full attitude :D
I love Lunara so much that I miss her. Thanks for this treat. Also, yes the tick damage is a LOT and that's one of the lovely things about being a melty speeddemon deer.
Lunara is my favourite Heroe, but they nerfed her poison damge last patch and coupled with her super low base HP it makes her a bit underpowered while also being hard to play, hence the low winrate
I'm 37-7-1 now following your builds. I don't play much Lunara but this is likely the build I'd go for on her maybe shaking it up at 13 depending on the situation. This is a hero that really needs a balanced comp to make work, especially a healer. Without a healer she's so squishy so I don't blame you at all for playing with viewers on this one... and I saw whose next and she needs that even more.
"...but quick match has been tilting me," Blizzard: Ah, so it's working as intended! Also I remember when I was doing a warmup game on Malthael vs. vet bots and the Whitemane bot beat me in a 1 v 1 because I not only couldn't kill her, my own personal healing was also bad compared to her xD
So... how are you supposed to deal with Whitemane? Because 9:45 to 10:05 was just... very frustrating for *me* to watch; I can only imagine how it felt to play.
She’s not good at countering burst since her healing takes a bit of time. She’s also immobile and lacks CC so she is extremely easy to kill, herself. Basically, same weaknesses as Anduin
Great video pally ! Just started playing lunara after getting royally spanked by her … waaaay to many times . Going to run this build and have some fun ! See ya on the next one broham !
You ever think about how weird it is that centaurs are all naked except some of them wear a shirt? Got the junk on full display, except that some of them cover their chest. Just one of those things I guess.
- Q build exist as burst mage option. It works well against your healer counters, such as Stukov, Malfurion or Lucio or if your team needs you to play as mage in classic team composition. It plays like easier Sylvanas with a bit of AoE. I never liked it, and even against Lun's healer counters, I prefer AA build, as I can deal with healer. The only reason I find to play Q is because it was OP after buff, and abused to hell by CCL. I feel it's unfair, that Blizz also nerfed Toxin build in backlash of Q nerfs. Toxin build was perfectly balanced before, with winrate of 51%. The only Lunara build with positive winrate before buffs. - Lunara is not AoE damage dealer by definition. She can be talented into AA. In fact, that's what you should do in this particular scenario, as you face one of the hardest Lunara counters - Tracer. AA build is all about melting tanks and critical targets, survivability and duelling potential. I solo Zeratuls in every match I play against him using this build. - Let the Wither is preferred talent for Toxin build, but it's not critical. Don't be afraid to sacrifice it for more survivability. You have access to the strongest spell shield in the game - the mighty GSS on level 13. In fact this talent is a key for duelling all the mages in the game [and Zeratul], even on trait build. - Use your Wisp dynamically. You can reposition it as many times as you want in a single cast. I see you rotating in this one with your wisp away from you. The unwritten rule of rotating with Lunara is: Wisp first, Lunara second. - Leaping Strike is great burst and repositioning, but also is your self-cleanse. And you have 2 charges of it :]. It's crazy that Lunara has option to have 3 cleanses, and one of them can be used to cleanse allies. - Always remember about victory Leap over enemy core, to be directly on top when the match ends :]
I main Lunara and TRacer so this was fun to watch lol. You can Alt the core too. I love to leap at the perfect time to end the match stuck on top of the core lol 🤣😅
Beautifully played. I hope they don’t kill the poison build completely. Piñata is so squishy that being able to apply the poison and focus on positioning is paramount for me.
i prefer her Q build, you can be seriously annoying if you have hippity hop too. i've finally managed to macro around my wisp while fighting too lol, i didn't know that you could maneuver her wisp by clicking the map and as long as you know where bushes generally are you almost always will have that large vision, i always keep my wisp on CD because vision has saved me from getting ganked many times, though im still on the fence about the sentinel talent, i only find it good on certain maps/enemy comps.
i personally prefer the 'crippling spores' build, or as i phrase it, the "ranged illidan" build. it really is funny how the playstyle is almost exactly how you would play illidan if he was ranged assassin.
@@lukacrc 1 hippity hoppity 4 siphoning toxin 7 wild vigor 10 thornworld vine 13 let them wither (i find endless spores is just unnecessary overkill and better for teamfighting rather than the ranged illidan playstyle) 16 invigorating spores 20 anything will do, but intensifying toxin is usually the best option
I remember Lunara before the rework, she was so bad. After the rework people slept on her for a while until they realized how good her damage is. Now she's melting everyone. Feelsgoodman. Spoilers below: Win/Loss: 36-10; 78.3% Wins: Abathur; Alarak; Alexstrasza; Anduin; Anubarak; Arthas; Azmodan; Blaze; Cassia; Cho; Deathwing; Deckard; Dehaka; Diablo; D.Va; ETC; Fenix; Garrosh; Gazlowe; Genji; Greymane; Gul'Dan; Hogger; Illidan; Imperius; Johanna; Junkrat; Kael'Thas; Kel'Thuzad; Kerrigan, Kharazim; Leoric; LiLi; Lt. Morales; Lucio; Lunara Loses: Ana; Artanis; Auriel; Brightwing; Chen; Chromie; Falstad; Hanzo; Jaina; Li-Ming
If only murky took the octopuss or whatever it is he could have locked down their healer or whomever u needed to lockdown and u could have killed them easier. Sure the march of the murlocs is more fun to do siege dmg with, but the lvl 20 talent with octopuss does insane dmg and ppl undersestimate it so much
You should've taken Choking Pollen at 7. It's just the better talent on that tier especially against Whitemane. Turns her from fake damage to real damage.
This moment summarizes my experience with Lunara pretty well ua-cam.com/video/5sru4qMlbKo/v-deo.html Yea, you do push out a lot of damage, but does it really matter (obviously yes sometimes, but) Edit: Ok multiple examples in the rest of the game as well (die whitemane :D)
I feel he is more of a 'melee' guy, even Pally has said in the past, one of his weaknesses in the game is positioning. With melee less thought needs to go in to 'where' you are, it is more about whether you are going 'in' or going 'out'.
the viewer games always exhibit overall better game play, but man is it hilarious when Pally is losing his shet with his teammates. WHY IS NOBODY HITTING THE CORE???? JUST HIT THEIR CORE
Siphoning Toxin has always been utter garbage and, to me, a seasoned Lunara main, what instantly gives away an inexperienced Lunara player. Nature's Culling, on the other hand, is potentially Lunara's strongest talent because it turns her from a mediocre waveclearer into a waveclear machine only matched by the likes of Xul and Tassadar. Also Nature's Culling increases all her poison damage on everything that is Not A Hero, so that means minions, mercenaries, monsters, buildings AND summons. It's amazing.
I really hate how they keep nerfing Lunara's poison damage. It is extremely predictable and easy to heal (if you have the resources), so it should at least deal a lot of damage, right? Well, Pally is hitting the top hero damage mark because he keeps spreading his dps over 5 people, but if you consider Lunara's single-target damage (which is, again, incredibly predictable and easy to heal off), she deals a lot less damage than a human form Greymane without Inner Beast, just autoattacking. It is disappointing. Frankly they should remove Lunara's burst options and strongly slot her in that sustained damage niche. Pump her poinson dps to match Valla's AA dps, give her more utility (more cleanses/buffs, more soft CC like slow, more debuffs) and make her into a proper pair for a sweeper character like Genji or Li Ming.
100% of the time this character kills butcher with the greatest of ease in 1v1 I'm just spreading out some knowledge really quick if you have a butcher on your team in that character is there make that person quit the game as fast as possible by you and that butcher murdering them if you don't butcher will feed that thing this is been your daily game raging individual signing out
Lunara is so deer to me. I find myself fawning over her.
2021 A-Z Stats - SPOILERS BELOW
W & L Record
Overall - 35 - 10
Ranged Assassins - 9 - 6
Melee Assassins - 4 - 0
Tank - 8 - 0
Bruiser - 6 - 2
Healer - 7 - 3
Support - 1 - 0
MVPs - 10 (honorable mention - Trik as Gall)
Abathur, Alarak, Anduin, Falstad (in defeat), Fenix, Greymane, Johanna, Junkrat, Kerrigan, Lili
Wins - Abathur, Alarak, Alexstrasza, Anduin, Anub'arak, Arthas, Azmodan, Blaze, Cassia, Cho, Deathwing, Deckard Cain, Dehaka, Diablo, D.va, E.T.C., Fenix, Garrosh, Gazlowe, Genji, Greymane, Illidan, Imperius, Johanna, Junkrat, Kael'Thas, Kel'Thuzad, Kerrigan, Kharazim, Leoric, Lili, Lt. Morales, Lucio, Lunara
Losses - Ana, Artanis, Auriel, Brightwing, Chen, Chromie, Falstad, Hanzo, Hogger, Jaina, Li-Ming
Maps W - L (audit required)
Cursed Hollow - 2 - 0
Braxxis Holdout - 4 - 0
Blackheart's Bay - 4 - 0
Infernal Shines - 5 - 2
Dragon Shire - 3 - 1
Garden Terror - 3 - 1
Hanamura Temple - 2 - 0
Sky Temple - 1 - 1
Battlefield of Eternity - 4 - 0
Volskya Foundry - 1 - 2
Towers of Doom - 2 - 1
Tomb of the Spider Queen - 2 - 0
Warhead Junction - 2 - 1
Alterac Pass - 1 - 0
Ummm...
_Antler_
The variable speed hopping on Lunaras movement makes her the easiest character to stutter step with. Haven't played in a while but if i remember correctly you just hold the movement button and tap the attack move button when she lands. That way you only stop moving when your speed would have been at its lowest anyway.
I've always had problems stutter stepping with her. It seems like she's always stopped when I want her to move. Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna have to give that a shot.
I wouldn't say "easiest" because that evokes an idea of how much time it would take to learn to do it, which to be honest is a lot (Lunara moves weird!). That said, you are correct that keeping the correct stutter-stepping form with her is extremely effective at making it practically impossible to truly disengage from her without attacking back.
I like Lunara a lot, my approach and build to playing her is a little different.
Strat: you're a deer, act like it; be skittish, she's squish, and only tap A when your feet touch the ground (when your move speed is at it's lowest)
1: unless you need the vision, take hippity hop so when you disengage you're disengaged and you can be wherever you need to be more quickly
4: Blossom swell increases the RANGE of your q, it's now longer than your autoattack, poke from safety, THIS DOES NOT CANCEL HIPPITY HOP
7: wild vigor, when you use your W it slows and makes your next 4 attacks stronger, meaning whitemane no longer outheals you! Use it to focus people down!
10: situational, if you're long range poking a lot take the line aoe, if you're murdering people or need more positioning take the boing
13: let them wither, your slow is much stronger now, this combos with wild vigor VERY well!
16: any/all; imo attack speed > range > poison damage, but all synergize with your w, or take cooldown reduction if you're sniping with q a lot
20: Galloping Gait!!!! Enemy running away from you? ENEMY SLAIN! Oh you're being killed? OKAY BYE! It's cooldown is SHORT too! Super underrated perk it feels so unfair
In lvl 1, the whisp talent is so underrated, but it gives you larger area vision an reveals which in my opinion worths more than vision on heroes with toxic dmg. This reveals stealth characters as well which is fun. Great video 👌
yeah the only time u need the talent pally took is when u are versus like a nova or samuro or someone that has stealth, and in this matchup he didnt, so kinda wastefull imo, even the movementspeed talent is better on this big map
true, Whisp talent is the best - but you have to be skilled to use it efficently. On "Braxxis Holdout" - this talent is almost a cheating.
lunara's probably my favorite RA. She's definitely a sustained damage type but if you focus blossom talents you can actually get some pretty good burst down, very versatile and helps compensate for heroes with strong sustain like whitemane or khar
"These mercs can do a lot of damage to our building but the good news is there is no building left for them to damage" - Such a glass half full attitude :D
I love Lunara so much that I miss her. Thanks for this treat.
Also, yes the tick damage is a LOT and that's one of the lovely things about being a melty speeddemon deer.
I always find with Lunara that I do tons of damage, but none of the enemies ever actually die, and then I do ;-)
7:20 is the most accurate description of Whitemane I've ever heard.
Great match very competitive, their Malganis and Whitemane were on point most of the time
Gotta appreciate the murky's astronaut suit and starpony
I was the murky in the game. Thanks for the love :)
Love viewer games. Keep up the great work, Pally!
Lunara is my favourite Heroe, but they nerfed her poison damge last patch and coupled with her super low base HP it makes her a bit underpowered while also being hard to play, hence the low winrate
Dear deer feed! Love this character is super toxic but fragile, I always love leaping the enemy core at the end
I'm 37-7-1 now following your builds. I don't play much Lunara but this is likely the build I'd go for on her maybe shaking it up at 13 depending on the situation. This is a hero that really needs a balanced comp to make work, especially a healer. Without a healer she's so squishy so I don't blame you at all for playing with viewers on this one... and I saw whose next and she needs that even more.
Tie?
"...but quick match has been tilting me,"
Blizzard: Ah, so it's working as intended!
Also I remember when I was doing a warmup game on Malthael vs. vet bots and the Whitemane bot beat me in a 1 v 1 because I not only couldn't kill her, my own personal healing was also bad compared to her xD
So... how are you supposed to deal with Whitemane? Because 9:45 to 10:05 was just... very frustrating for *me* to watch; I can only imagine how it felt to play.
She’s not good at countering burst since her healing takes a bit of time. She’s also immobile and lacks CC so she is extremely easy to kill, herself. Basically, same weaknesses as Anduin
Great video pally ! Just started playing lunara after getting royally spanked by her … waaaay to many times . Going to run this build and have some fun ! See ya on the next one broham !
I totally thought you were calling Lunara deerfeet and it was just a cute nickname 🤣
You always said you were deer feed, but watching you play Lunara I learned how to play her. Never feed.
19:32
That's what she said, Pally.
At 14:40 Whitemane is dead, but she is still healing her two teammates. XD
Fun match. That last fight was dope.
Deer feed is still a thing
She's the reason I installed HOTS and i still absolutely love her💓💓
I guess you are one with the forests now. =))
@@markbeaver4806 For the wilds!!🍃🍃🍃🍃
What hurts worse than queueing in as Morales with an enemy Lunara? Queueing in as Lunara against Brightwing.
You ever think about how weird it is that centaurs are all naked except some of them wear a shirt? Got the junk on full display, except that some of them cover their chest. Just one of those things I guess.
- Q build exist as burst mage option. It works well against your healer counters, such as Stukov, Malfurion or Lucio or if your team needs you to play as mage in classic team composition. It plays like easier Sylvanas with a bit of AoE. I never liked it, and even against Lun's healer counters, I prefer AA build, as I can deal with healer. The only reason I find to play Q is because it was OP after buff, and abused to hell by CCL. I feel it's unfair, that Blizz also nerfed Toxin build in backlash of Q nerfs. Toxin build was perfectly balanced before, with winrate of 51%. The only Lunara build with positive winrate before buffs.
- Lunara is not AoE damage dealer by definition. She can be talented into AA. In fact, that's what you should do in this particular scenario, as you face one of the hardest Lunara counters - Tracer. AA build is all about melting tanks and critical targets, survivability and duelling potential. I solo Zeratuls in every match I play against him using this build.
- Let the Wither is preferred talent for Toxin build, but it's not critical. Don't be afraid to sacrifice it for more survivability. You have access to the strongest spell shield in the game - the mighty GSS on level 13. In fact this talent is a key for duelling all the mages in the game [and Zeratul], even on trait build.
- Use your Wisp dynamically. You can reposition it as many times as you want in a single cast. I see you rotating in this one with your wisp away from you. The unwritten rule of rotating with Lunara is: Wisp first, Lunara second.
- Leaping Strike is great burst and repositioning, but also is your self-cleanse. And you have 2 charges of it :]. It's crazy that Lunara has option to have 3 cleanses, and one of them can be used to cleanse allies.
- Always remember about victory Leap over enemy core, to be directly on top when the match ends :]
you have gotten so much better at deer
I main Lunara and TRacer so this was fun to watch lol. You can Alt the core too. I love to leap at the perfect time to end the match stuck on top of the core lol 🤣😅
Beautifully played. I hope they don’t kill the poison build completely. Piñata is so squishy that being able to apply the poison and focus on positioning is paramount for me.
i prefer her Q build, you can be seriously annoying if you have hippity hop too. i've finally managed to macro around my wisp while fighting too lol, i didn't know that you could maneuver her wisp by clicking the map and as long as you know where bushes generally are you almost always will have that large vision, i always keep my wisp on CD because vision has saved me from getting ganked many times, though im still on the fence about the sentinel talent, i only find it good on certain maps/enemy comps.
i personally prefer the 'crippling spores' build, or as i phrase it, the "ranged illidan" build.
it really is funny how the playstyle is almost exactly how you would play illidan if he was ranged assassin.
What's your build?
@@lukacrc
1 hippity hoppity
4 siphoning toxin
7 wild vigor
10 thornworld vine
13 let them wither (i find endless spores is just unnecessary overkill and better for teamfighting rather than the ranged illidan playstyle)
16 invigorating spores
20 anything will do, but intensifying toxin is usually the best option
Shout out to that Murky. Great stuff.
Thanks
@@CrunkBunkle No problem sushi. Yah did good.
A gish, a fish, and a treasure box. I’d watch that.
deer hunting season was two weekends ago....
Great comeback for the win!
YAY! He used the wisp!
would her q build be called obnoxious blossom? :)
Yay, deer feed! Call TrikSlyr. XD
I remember Lunara before the rework, she was so bad. After the rework people slept on her for a while until they realized how good her damage is. Now she's melting everyone. Feelsgoodman.
Spoilers below:
Win/Loss: 36-10; 78.3%
Wins: Abathur; Alarak; Alexstrasza; Anduin; Anubarak; Arthas; Azmodan; Blaze; Cassia; Cho; Deathwing; Deckard; Dehaka;
Diablo; D.Va; ETC; Fenix; Garrosh; Gazlowe; Genji; Greymane; Gul'Dan; Hogger; Illidan; Imperius; Johanna; Junkrat;
Kael'Thas; Kel'Thuzad; Kerrigan, Kharazim; Leoric; LiLi; Lt. Morales; Lucio; Lunara
Loses: Ana; Artanis; Auriel; Brightwing; Chen; Chromie; Falstad; Hanzo; Jaina; Li-Ming
If only murky took the octopuss or whatever it is he could have locked down their healer or whomever u needed to lockdown and u could have killed them easier. Sure the march of the murlocs is more fun to do siege dmg with, but the lvl 20 talent with octopuss does insane dmg and ppl undersestimate it so much
My favorite time is A-Z Lunara
You should've taken Choking Pollen at 7. It's just the better talent on that tier especially against Whitemane. Turns her from fake damage to real damage.
Don't mind me just commenting "deerfeed" for the engagement
deer feed
PS All Lunara wins must end by Leaping Strike on the core. Ideally you want to be right on top of the core.
Just take Gallping Gait at 20 and watch how enemies jaws drop. (Only Junkrat rocket is faster than this thing )
Let's goooo
Q build is the only way to go.
Oh, deer!
Not sure if I've ever seen pally take the other ult
Which confuses the shit out of me since he's building for aoe damage but never takes the aoe ult.
The jumping ult is also the easiest way to get yourself into trouble.
Murky MVP.
Burritos de combo deer
Ehhh little bit of deerfeed....tiny bit.
Love you
This moment summarizes my experience with Lunara pretty well ua-cam.com/video/5sru4qMlbKo/v-deo.html
Yea, you do push out a lot of damage, but does it really matter (obviously yes sometimes, but)
Edit: Ok multiple examples in the rest of the game as well (die whitemane :D)
Notice you seem to struggle with a lot of the auto attackers. You a mage guy, Pally?
I feel he is more of a 'melee' guy, even Pally has said in the past, one of his weaknesses in the game is positioning. With melee less thought needs to go in to 'where' you are, it is more about whether you are going 'in' or going 'out'.
GG!
the viewer games always exhibit overall better game play, but man is it hilarious when Pally is losing his shet with his teammates. WHY IS NOBODY HITTING THE CORE???? JUST HIT THEIR CORE
NOICE!
Hi Pally, please try State of Decay 2 again. It's been greatly changed since your last play.
A - Z part 46 the champ that i hated for a long time to be honest
deerfeed to deerfeet
Deer feed!
i love lunara BUT HER MOVEMENT IS SO WEIRD
Murky fail on this one. Should have gone Octo to lock down Whitemane.
Sorry still practicing octo grab setups and wasn't ready to pull it out this game :)
We need more terraria!
WAHAHAHA!
WAHAHAHA!
noice
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Siphoning Toxin has always been utter garbage and, to me, a seasoned Lunara main, what instantly gives away an inexperienced Lunara player.
Nature's Culling, on the other hand, is potentially Lunara's strongest talent because it turns her from a mediocre waveclearer into a waveclear machine only matched by the likes of Xul and Tassadar. Also Nature's Culling increases all her poison damage on everything that is Not A Hero, so that means minions, mercenaries, monsters, buildings AND summons. It's amazing.
600th like in the video
i ll be honest viewer games are way more enjoyable becouse there is ussualy less people doing dumb shiz
I like viewer games but I like when pally goes with randos. I’m reminded that I’m not the only person dealing with insane toxicity and no one soaking
yep pally you still are not that good at lunara , too much positioning errors, but better than your start for sure, keep it up
fake damage!
I really hate how they keep nerfing Lunara's poison damage. It is extremely predictable and easy to heal (if you have the resources), so it should at least deal a lot of damage, right?
Well, Pally is hitting the top hero damage mark because he keeps spreading his dps over 5 people, but if you consider Lunara's single-target damage (which is, again, incredibly predictable and easy to heal off), she deals a lot less damage than a human form Greymane without Inner Beast, just autoattacking. It is disappointing.
Frankly they should remove Lunara's burst options and strongly slot her in that sustained damage niche. Pump her poinson dps to match Valla's AA dps, give her more utility (more cleanses/buffs, more soft CC like slow, more debuffs) and make her into a proper pair for a sweeper character like Genji or Li Ming.
Lol this guy sucks with Lunara. Good video tho.
100% of the time this character kills butcher with the greatest of ease in 1v1 I'm just spreading out some knowledge really quick if you have a butcher on your team in that character is there make that person quit the game as fast as possible by you and that butcher murdering them if you don't butcher will feed that thing this is been your daily game raging individual signing out
deerfeed :D