The bishop that went big time
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- 'Karen Puzzles' Kavett, Rebecca 'Dr Becky' Smethurst and Stuart 'Ashens' Ashen face question about a bishop's rapidly-expanding domain.
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5:11 - If we're talking about the _Catholic_ church, it'll probably still be faster for you to become an astronaut, Becky.
Yes! I'm surprised no one mentioned that!
That "collective noun" joke by Tom was BRILLIANT!
6:06 I feel like there's an entire con-
6:09 What's the collective noun for bishop?
6:11 Chess board, I dunno.
Objection: The ISS is not "land" in any legal capacity, so it can't be part of a diocese itself. It can only be IN a diocese (kinda like a car could be IN a diocese, or multiple at different times, but not be one itself), but isn't at the moment. As much as you can't be bishop of a cruise ship, you also can't be bishop of the ISS.
Fun Fact: Buzz Aldrin took communion while on the moon, aka Commoonion.
Hey, I was thinking of this too. Cool stuff
I think he also brought up a tiny bit of holy water.
Reading that I thought of a cow. Com-moo-nion
Fun additional fact: Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin's mum's unmarried surname was Moon.
Love it!
"A chessboard of bishpos" is WILD! I'll use this from here on wherever applicable. Superb!
6:09
What's the collective noun for bishop?
Chess board, I dunno.
It's clearly a "diagonality" of bishops.
For the question about the ISS, i believe the correct answer is "Ah, that would be an ecumenical matter".
Careful now.
Down with this sort of thing.
YES!
Women's knickers!
DRINK!
Note that this means that the diocese of Orlando out-areas the next largest diocese, the (dormant) Apostolic Exarchate of Russia, by about 21 million square km.
A correction: the area should be minus the area of the Archdiocese of Moscow (much of western Russia) and the island of Sakhalin. And for the pedants, I know it's not an actual diocese, it was part of the former Archdiocese of Mohilev.
Bishop of the Moon sounds like some crazy title given to an early 2000s Doctor Who character who turns out to be the main villain
I absolutely love when other people I watch pop up on Tom Scott's channels.
I love how the massive expansion of a Church diocese was overseen by a Bishop Borders. :D
Maybe Matt, Gary, or Chris know what a group of bishops is called.
synod?
If they don't know, they'll be happy to make something up
I'm going for a 'huddle of bishops'
I immediately added "they can only move diagonally!". I may have watched the Technical Difficulties too often...
@@tristanholderness4223 : A group of bishops is called a bench. Synod, college, and convocation are other collective nouns for bishops.
The International Space Station is legally considered a set of ships docked in international waters. For simplicity, the american modules are all one american ship, the russian ones one russian ship, Leonardo is Italian, and so on. So it doesn't have a diocese.
Since it's a ship, it falls under the direct authority of the Pope - so in a sense, the ISS is closer to God than the moon.
I imagine the ISS is treated like any other ship in international waters.
Normally I try not to be pedantic in the comments of youtube videos, but when its tom scott I honestly feel obligated to point out that a parish is not equivalent to a diocese, a parish is a subset of a diocese
I came here just to make this exact comment.
I mean I'm pretty sure the Pope is God's representative on earth per Catholic dogma, so the Pope is NOT the moon Pope
I am now anticipating a schism in the catholic church for the diocese the iss should belong to.
Does that mean the bishop of Orlando may someday be the Bishop of Mars too?
Only if they don't launch out of Texas for it
Wait, so William Borders increased his borders?
William D Borders is the bishop of the moon. Quite apt name for redefining the borders of what a diocese is
This was fascinating to have watched knowing the answer from the start!
Spoiler alert:
Area of the moon:
3.793×10^7 km2
(0.074 of Earth's)
Area of the Orland diocese:
37,957,223 km2
Hmm. Right, that was after the event.
24,890 km2 is the area on earth.
Anyway, it is hard to grasp just how small the moon is compared to earth.
Perhaps a collection of bishops is called a bimall, or biwarehouse or something
it's a Bench of Bishops apparantly.
I missed the part where it says his name is Stuart Ashen below his box, so I spent, like, half of the video wondering who the person was. I was like "I know this voice, is it Totalbiscuit? When was this recorded, it doesn't seem that old. Zero Punctuation guy? No, that's not it." Honestly, if his camera had been pointed at his couch and he just did hand gestures as he talked, I would've recognized him immediately.
Or he'd have to have been in Barry Lewis his kitchen, sodastreaming some decades old hamburgers. 😂
So the first Catholic on Mars their Bishop becomes Bishop of Mars? Come on Ireland!
Technically, it would depend on where the journey started, not the nationality (or even the religion) of the astronaut. Though I guess Irish astronauts could claim their journey had started in Ireland even if their spaceship was launched from somewhere else. Ultimately, that would probably be an ecumenical matter.
@@RFC-3514 it would depend on religion, but only so far as there's one Catholic on the journey
The first ISS module was the Russian Zarya, so I guess ISS would technically be an Orthodox diocese?
As someone else pointed out, it’s not technically a place but a ship.
Side note: while there isn’t a full on church on Disney property, the company did help set one up by selling the dioceses some land on the fringe of the resort so that thier catholic guests had some place to go to mass. This resulted in the building of the very long named “Basilica of the National Shrine of Mary, Queen of the Universe”
Wouldn't the ISS technically be a ship, rather than land?
Dammit Tom, you could've gotten an entire Citation Needed episode out of that question.
Another Fun Fact: The next time after Apollo 11 that Bishop Borders met with the pope at the time (Paul VI), he introduced himself as the bishop of the moon. The pope was confused until Bishop Borders reminded him of the applicable Code of Canon Law.
As mentioned in the video?
sadly, the roman catholic church does not ordain women priests, which are the only candidates who can be "created" as bishops. as far as i know.
it is also quite unlikely for that to be changed in the near future, due to how rigidly the authorities in the church cling to tradition. maybe in a couple hundred years or so, who knows?
but one could theoretically set up an order of lunar nuns... and dr becky could be mother superior of the moon?
ngl, mother superior of the moon sounds badass too xD
@@pohjanvanamo That would imply the Moon became a convent for nuns.
But the ISS is a building, not land.
Also, I think Buzz Aldrin might have had something to do with this, as Buzz is Catholic. He performed Communion on the moon. Though Neil Armstrong wasn't Catholic, he participated.
It may be due to that that the Moon is part of Orlando.
It may be that the claim of the Bishop of the Moon can not be recognized as it would violate international law. No country may claim part of the moon as their territory. Not sure how that would work, as it applies to nations, not the church. For this would the Church be considered a nation?
My guess about the ISS is that it isn't part of a diocese because it is a boat. Or if it is, the relevant rule would be boat rule
Regarding the diocese of the ISS: Although the "point of origin of the journey" specification may still apply, it may be more appropriate to categorize the ISS as a _vessel_ than as "land". In other words, whatever diocese-categorizing specifications apply to (sea-going) boats should also apply to the ISS. Do boats _have_ a diocese independent of where they most recently docked?
First guess immediately after hearing the question - maybe the diocese was established during the Space Race, and maybe Cape Canaveral is in there? Don't know which Catholic law that would be though. Something like the diocese being expanded to new territory found on a trip beginning from the diocese, and somebody going to the moon from there? But then I think 1500 times would be too little. Hmm. Okay, now let's listen and see :D
Did you really recycle some more material from "Citation Needed", @TomScottGo ?
This topic feels awfully familiar, and I can't shake the feeling it's been part of "Citation Needed" or maybe "Two Of These People Are Lying"? 😄
I still got Gary Brennan's voice in my head saying, "Bloke *never* went there" (same joke) or smth...
As well as being a ship and not land, the ISS was built after 1983, which is when the new Code of Canon Law was promulgated. I couldn't find anything about new territory in there. Might be worth clearing up before any Mars colonization.
I confess I don't have a source right now, but AFAIK the current Bishop of Orlando does not recognize his own claim on the Moon, which frankly makes the world less fun.
The overall organization in the US is the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB). Usually when they get together for a meeting of clergy (though not necessarily only bishops) it is called a Conclave.
As others have said, the ISS is a ship, not land, so it's not in a diocese. But if it were, the earliest confirmed Catholic visitor I could find was Karol J. Bobko, the pilot of STS-6, which launched from Kennedy Space Center.
I was brought up Cath-oholic. [I call them that cause we had to go to so many meetings, er masses, all the time. At least we got to leave class to do it so that was a plus.] But, cool. I never knew this. And, growing up when I did go to church, they were all churches in the Dioceses of Orlando since I live just an hour north of KSC. Fascinating. Does the Church owe this governance to Buzz Aldrin since he was first Catholic on the Moon?
I was watching a video on a bother channel, saw Becky in the thumbnail and thought I HAD to see her in Lateral. Fun episode.
Rebecca for the Bishop of Jupiter!
The first people to get to the ISS as well as the first piece of the ISS launched from Baikonur. This currently is in the dioscese of Almaty. But at the time of the launch of people, it was only an apostolic mission with a diocese in Karaganda. But the first part was launched before than where only one Apostolic Administration existed, in Karaganda. Also no idea if any of the people on the first journey were catholics but eh
I was curious to see how "Dr. Becky" did on one of these, and, of course, she solves it in nothing flat. Amazing!
For ISS that law shouldn't apply, since it's not land. Nice try, though.
The ISS question doesn't count as a Diocese because it's about lands. So no man made stuff on space, only regions
source: I'm catholic
No way is that bishop claiming the massive land area named Billy D. Borders lolplol
The second one of these I've got instantly. The other was about an obscure football (soccer) record. I knew all the, seemingly pointless, eclectic trivia would come in handy eventually!
The collective noun for bishops would be the general synod.
The ISS is not land area so it is probably covered by which ever bishop is responsible for ships at sea. I think I heard once that planes in flight are considered relative to their position on the map at any time.
I really like the pacing here. It felt like we were quickly converging on the answer but frequently fail.
Catholic net here knew this before you finished reading it.
I like ashens's answer. That's a great way around drinking laws
"Bishop of the Moon" sounds like a Bloodborne boss
thank you for the video, weird that it was not shown later than the other one
Blind guess: the Spanish-held territories about Florida were "handed over" to the USA? Or that Bishop got promoted to a higher coverage/"diocese" (I still don't know what that word mean). Seems too simple.
But the CC laws were mentioned. Did the rule change on that note-worthy case? Like you had that big audience before, but were not recognized by the Church, and that made you eligible now.
Stuart got such a potent claim for the win at 2:45.
In retrospective: I misunderstood the 1500 as people, not area.
I knew this one immediately
"'Moon Pope'? - at one-sixth Earth's gravity, talk to me about enlightenment, already!" : )
I'd ask if the 1,500 times expansion is number of people or area of land within the diocese. Whether correct or not when Becky mentioned the space centre my head started ringing "the moon, the moon", so the expansion would have been July 1969 which is why Tom isn't saying when the expansion happened.
This is so wrong, I hate it! Sure, we laugh it off as some weirdo's quirk, but people went to "holy wars" for less. 🙁
I’m not sure the same rule would apply to the ISS, as it’s a human-made structure rather than a piece of land.
So...
If they start a trip to mars from KSC, that current bishop will be bishop of the mars then?
A parish and diocese are not equivalent. Parishes are contained within dioceses.
That was awesome!! 😂
Always a delight to see Dr. Becky.. 🙂
I knew this one!
I want to be Moon Bishop!
One term for a group of Bishops is Race of Bishops.
Such a fun idea for a video.
Oh I knew this one already. Once the flag was planted, based on old rules of colonialism, the diocese is based on the point of origin.
Oh man, I would be so good on this show.
I'm subscribed, and for some reason this one didn't show up on my notifications, and it also has noticeably fewer views right now than the ones before and after it. I did find out about it from the "suggested" column, so it probably isn't demonetized.
Don't worry, we just had a labelling issue with the wrong video going out. Future notifications should work just fine.
Religion is so silly 🤣
Just happy that dr. Becky is in this!
i thought tom said 1917 not 1970.
1917 was when the law about claiming diocese area came into force
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