Mortar Team Tactics and Weapons 11 Charlie "Hang it!"
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- The M224 60mm Mortar is a portable barrel that ground troops carry into battle and fire at a high angle up to 3,000 meters away right into the lap of the enemy. In this video we’ll learn about the tactics and weapons employed by mortar teams, what makes them different from other ground forces and where the future of mortar power is going.
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For those who don’t know, the infantry is segmented into two designations, the 11 bravos and 11 charlies. The Charlie types are given additional weeks of training on how to operate the three different mortar systems. This weapon has had more play in the War in Afghanistan than it has in Iraq. Many moons ago the infantry was split into even more sections with 11 Hotel being responsible for heavy anti-tank weapons. Basically the Army decided to patch the game and consolidate a bunch of the classes down to just the two.
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Mortar teams traditionally employ 60, 81 and 120mm mortars in teams of three soldiers.
They can fire thirty of the 60 mm rounds per minute for 4 minutes and then 20 rounds per minute for a sustained rate of fire due to over heating limitations. The mortar element is usually used at the us army infantry company level, a company has 100 soldiers.
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11 Charlie mortar teams types are the big brain intellectuals of the infantry community.
Quick question, what was your rank in the army?
Hey that nerf mortar is like 60 bucks bro
That's very unique saying and true.
As an 11C I was refused bravo as my ASVAB score was too high. The Army wanted me in a non infantry role, yet when I was told I could blow things up and still fight with the bravos. I relented and the suck began...even earned my C.I.B counter firing and eliminating a team of mortars trying to take us out.
@@rookie.9175 worth it man
Amazon: we have a surge of people buying nerf gun mortars and we don't know why
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I’ll take 20!
How far do they shit? Would be interesting for paint ball/airsoft.
@@AcridSoul "Shit?"
AcridSoul Nerf mortars are mostly a novelty item. Mine could only shoot about 12 feet.
I was an 11c. My favorite mortar round is the 81mm Red Phosphorus round, they have illumination fuses on them so you can detonate them in midair. They are used to melt tanks and enemy equipment. I would also like to add that a major difference between mortars and artillery is that howitzers in arty units have rifled barrels whereas mortars have smoothbore cannons. This allows the mortar to be fired faster and at higher angles (which also means they are useful in mountains and urban environments). The 120mm HE mortar rounds also have a wider blast radius compared to 155mm artillery. Arty beats mortars on distance though, by a long shot. (Pun intended)
What is your take on me being killed by the Mortar Truck in Battlefield 1, but the kill screen shows I was killed by the Artillery Truck, because the game doesn't distinguish between the two?
4.2 inch mortar had rifling.
Ever see those tracked motor vehicles? What's your thoughts on them? Never understood them as they are just 120mm and don't have the range of a standard SPG or direct fire capabilities of a tank.
Anyway never knew they carried more boom per mm with less charge. Kind of makes sense now that I think about it.
Feel like with modern FCS and ballistic computers we should have tanks that can be used as Arty in a pinch. Guess the fact they can't control the charge on a shot would be an issue but we can change that.
Ugh red phosphorous. Definitely would rather be shredded to bits than be hit by that. Terrible way to go. How big is the cloud/rain to effectively hit a tank?
"Melt Tanks" 🤣
@@stinkystu1 The 4.2 inch mortar isn't really a mortar, it has all the defining features of artillery that mortars specifically lack.
Someone once told me from his own experience: if you have the choice between becoming part of a light or a heavy mortar team, always choose heavy. He thought he was smart by saying "light".
He later learner the hard way that light mortar is carried, heavy mortar is towed...
Light = carry your own shit.
It all sounds cool until you're doing 12 miles on foot while the mech guys roll past with their rucks hung on the track.
Nothing light about being light
Facts...
Are mortar units part of the infantry or considered light artillery?
Any trooper with "Light" in their name is expected to lose some inches during their service. And no, that is not me making a joke about horrific maiming injuries, I am talking about spinal compression due to carrying all the crap on their backs that "Heavy" and "Normal" troops carry on their vehicles.
Imagine being an insurgent standing around a compound and having mortar fire dropped on your head. But instead of being torn up you have the equivilent of beefed up flashbangs repeatedly dropped on your head before you get bayonet charged by a mob of crayon eaters.
Mmmmm mashed potatoes
I wish the army would bring back bayonets, and the Marine Corps should do a bayonet charge against the Taliban, that way they’ll really keep their distance
If you're close enough to stick them, you're capable of shooting them so conserve your ammo. I always carried a bayonet while on guard duty (unauthorized) it's kinda hard to snatch a man's rifle at nite (or day) with an M-7 bayonet attached. Point, stick and rip. If he's still wiggling, point, stick & rip, again. Until your standing alone.
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No shit, there I was, Baghdad... this guy wanted to sell his sister. I gave him hot steel. The air was 130, so the blade was hot. His last words were in Arabic, I think, so only Allah knows what he said, on that fateful day.
@@greggstrasser5791 so you killed a civilian. You’re a war criminal
This content is extremely interesting!! As someone who has not served in the armed forces, but have roommates that served and a general interest in how shit works, this channel continues to engage those of us without military experience while being funny and satirical as well.
You are doing a great job Chris and I hope this channel sky-rockets!!
Also, the Marine/Army rifle platoon setup video would be fuego!!
G’day from Australia, enjoyed the video, had to smile when Chappie noted the 81mm was troop portable or words to that effect. I served in the Australian Army’s Parachute Battalion in the mid-90’s. I was in Mortar platoon and unfortunately the 3RAR & the rest of the infantry battalions took a different approach to luging these things around. I served in a period were recruitment was keeping pace with manning needs. Prior to mortars my section (squad) got down to 5 people at times not counting folks on spec courses. And wile in mortars down to two people per tube; and we carried them everywhere. On my last training exercise at was live fire and we only had two of us per tube; and lugged it everywhere. I was the more junior so had to carry the tube, baseplate, cleaning kit & aiming posts. That was in addition to my F89 (M249), spare barrel, etc, all ammo, ET, three days rations, 7L of water and all the other stuff us grunts carry. With the number 1 carrying the C2 sight & tripod, not as heavy, but awkward. We had a quad bike for each section that towed the ammo, but we’re strictly not allowed to off load tubes, or personal kit. We had to be individually weighed before boarding the C-130 to ensure it was balanced. Without my mortar kit, I weighed 200kgs including my parachute and reserve, I weighed 84kgs at the time.
We have/had a different approach to training, once posted to a unit it grunts would get specialist training & other courses from time to time. In the paras we had a slightly higher course per soldier rate as it was likely the jump in would break a few of us. I was pretty lucky and did a Assault Pioneers course, mortar course and a small arms coaching course.
The ex- with two grunts per tube was my last, on the night jump in I had a partial malfunction, which left me with a spinal injuries, together with an earlier jump caused back injuries I was left 1,1/2 inches shorter and with a medical discharge. Unfortunately as we were so undermanned, I was how can I say, not really encouraged to see the medics. Platoon HQ knew I’d likely not return after being checked out and that would mean 1 less tube. Given it was a live fire I was straight out told that wasn’t going to happen. After two weeks of carrying all that kit around - they still made me carry everything for ‘realistic’ training. Anyone who has served I’m sure knows how powerful peer pressure can be and not wanting to let the unit down. After we returned to base I couldn’t stand up straight and was found to have a few breaks, head trauma, and put into rehab, then med discharged.
I was an 11C some 25 years ago, Battalion mortars in the 25th ID (I saw the electric strawberry in the video, represent!). We used 81mm mortars, typically carried in the backs of our platoon humvees. Thanks for the video, man... it brought back some memories!
Marine tube stroker here. From my experience, artillery is actually a lot safer and more accurate because of all the computer systems attached to it- mortars may be issued LHMBCs, but I've yet to actually use it. Artillery is allowed to shoot overhead friendly troops, while we have to get approval from higher.
Also, the maximum range of the 60s is 3500m, so I don't think an M720A1 isn't going to reach past that to 3850m.
Lhmbc are very common and reaching that range isn’t hard either
Yang None Mortars are much more preferred by our infantry in the urban areas
Range is based off each round. You can find that info in a tft. LHMBC's are pretty common almost every company has 2. They're there you just have to bug your armory. Artillery is definitely more accurate but its RED's and MSD's are a lot larger and there for have to be cut a lot sooner. Mortars are very often employed to cover that gap moving from 81's to 60's. I doubt you've been to AMC yet so good luck when you do go. You definitely should go so you become more proficient in your mos and actually become a subject matter expert.
We used to call the mortar guys drop shorts. only joking with them, they were real good!!
So....how's it hanging dude?
Absolutely hilarious video, well done. When I was a relatively baby Marine I made a crack about how easy the Mortar Teams life is, they don’t have to go into the assault, they always have Ammo boxes to sit on. Well, the Gunner overheard me, so he worked that Warrant Officer voodoo and got me assigned to the Mortars for an exercise at 29 Palms. I have an entire new respect for my Mortar toting brethren.
What was it that gave you a different view?
Humping a baseplate?
@@Netherlands031 Probably digging the mortar out afterwards, the damn mud, the shoulder ache and tinnitus.
I was a 11C mechanized infantry in the 80's. Looks like things have changed. I was on a 4.2 in mortar that was vehicle mounted. I really enjoyed it. We were told that we were smarter that then the others that why we were picked as 11C's. But, I never took an intelligence test. I did take a hand eye coordination test. I scored high and I believe that is how I became a 11C.
Was the mortar turret mounted?
I was also mechanised infantry and the platoon comanders vehicle was mounted with a 60 breach loading mortar fixed with a 0.3 browning. In our vehicle we had the signaler, medic, a two man patmore crew the platoon nco, the gunner (me), anti aircraft gunner, driver and Co.
The rest of the platoon consisted of three sections. Each vehicle armed with 20mm cannon with separate belts for ap/he. Co axed with a 7.62mm browning (made by general motors.)
Infantry section consisted of section leader and section 2ic.
2ic operated with the 2man mag.
Section leader operated with the rest of the section. 4 other infantry, one armed with rpg7.
Driver and gunner operated vehicle. That's alot of firepower. In Angola we were in the field for four months straight.
That's rat packs sleeping bag and a couple of bivies.
Water only for drinking.
Sometimes no food.
Supplies by helicopter only at night.
Long hair and beards.
That 60mm motar in the right hands is a devastating and effective weapon.
M106A2? I have a restored M106A2 with a live M30 4.2" (107mm) mortar sitting in the back. Have to use a damn forklift to put the base plate and bridge in the storage position.
Track mounted is cush my first year with the 4.2 we were ground mounted. Try pulling them out of a gamagoat by hand and setting them up. Then digging them out of the ground and throwing back into the goat. Yeehaw
Like I told another 4 Deuce Vet, you guys were lucky. In the Old Berlin Brigade (77-80) we weren't allowed track mounted heavy mortars. We had to ground mount out of Goats. Not fun.
You need to hop on Squad and be in a mortar team. You get to dick around at the FOB and fire mortars the whole game and have the other squads scream at you for friendly fire. Great time
I play squad pretty much every day ! see you in there chriscappyny is my handle
I’m CopperBurrito! I’ve been partial to Post Scriptum lately it ya play that too?
Task & Purpose what’s ur favorite role and faction? Mine is rusfor and medic ( USA is always full )
And if you ask the teams where they need morthar support they dont give you a fucking information.... great time^^
Mortars are the shit! Keep the enemies down and kill as many teamate- Enemies as possible.
I’d like to see that army vs marines vid keep up the good work
Marines win
It’s difficult because which one is worse? Would you rather eat crayons for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Or would rather die on a patrol?
Great idea to compare marine vs infantry company orbat, really looking forward to that.
Its coming, I'm working with task and purpose with questions because I been in both Marine and Army infantry
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Back in the olden days we used 4.2" mortars for coordinated illumination with 8" in effect. The armor battalion four duce platoons supported us a lot.
Spent 15 years as 11C. Started on the 81mm and then went to the 4.2mm. ENJOYED it.
4.2 mm? Are you sure? 4.2 mm is about 0.17 inches. Not just mortars, but most bullets are larger than that.
@@VladimirNicolici a Four Deuce M30 probably. 4.2 inch (107mm) mortar.
Shooting 81 and 120mm was a lot of fun man, absolutely loved it
Everyone gangsta till the stick go "BANG."
11C and was in from 94-97. Memorable event was firing leftover rounds from 1949 in the rain. Turns out the charges don't burn that well after all of that time and with the humidity? It was raining confetti unburned nitro charges. Almost had a friendly fire during a live fire because our rounds weren't going the 1000m they were supposed to and almost landed near the shoot houses. Think it was near the end of Sicily DZ.
Please do the Army vs. Marine platoon breakdown, that would be very interesting.
Btw really like your videos!
Marines are in the middle of restructuring the infantry regiment structure from the platoon element all the way up to the Regiment. If he does a video now, great. But it'll be outdated in 5 years.
H&S elements at plt, company, and Battalion level are going away and those individuals are moving into a Regiment H&S which brings the paper T/O in line with how the USMC actually does everything in real life.
Platoons are getting re-structure as well. Should be interesting to see a compare and contrast between new and old USMC structure models.
glad to hear there might be some interest in that video! I'm working on a special forces break down then I'll go to that
@@TheJBerg ok yeah thats a point.
I'm anyway interested in the topic and don't know much about it, thats why i wanted the video. And yeah your video idea is pretty interesting!
@@Taskandpurpose awesome, looking forward to both!
@Eric Ferguson yeah, it's still in drawing board phase right now. There was a PR letter and some infographics last year, but I don't know much has been released publicly beyond that. The new drone operator (pvt-sgt) MOS that goes along with this shift is still in the process of being created. I'm looking forward to ARMY v USMC as they stand today as it's going to be the model for a good while.
Finnish 81mm mortar teams are trained to fire for 30 seconds and required to be 100m (100yards) away from the firing position.30 seconds after the last round. It takes almost a minute for the projectiles to fly, so the team is 100m from the firing position at the time the rounds drop onto target. We suppose the enemy is using counter artillery radars and train accordingly.
Would genuinely like to see that Marine vs Army rifle platoon comparison.
as would I, I’d like to see how they operate differently
The Army Squad goes with 8 or 9 Soldiers
The Marine Squad keeps changing it but was 12 now it is 15. Maybe different again. But the Marine brings way more people to the same fight as Army. It’s really the Soldier doing more with less. The Marines have at least one or two teams more than the Army. Way more people. Way more weapons. The Army relies on better shooting and tactics and the Marine relies on an extra team or two. The Army has Infantry going with 12 too. Not just Special Forces either. A Special Forces ODA is 12 deep too. But the Marine brings the most people. No wonder they run out of money faster than the Army. The Marine shoots a 500 Meter Target that is still and never moves and is 2.5 times larger than the Army 300 meter target which is only there for two or three seconds. And you don’t know where it’s gonna pop up. Oh yeah the Soldier Qualifies twice a year and the Marine qualifies once a year.
Who do you think is better?
They should make a video about what I just said. It’s absolutely true!
Rigo Rivas the US Army > Marine Corp. in my opinion
@Rigo Rivas what are you basing this on? Everything I'm seeing is an annual rifle Qual for army as well.
Not to mention their scoring as far as I can tell is more lenient, to say nothing of the easier shooying positions and maximum 300yd range...
Though I'm jealous of the arcade style pop up targets. That seems fun as hell.
Me 11c, me carry stick that goes boom boom, me happy because 11bang bangs can't call me pog
It’s a simple life
@US ARMY VET 11B 96-14 Yup. I did patrolling, raids, security and all that shit.... and then came back to our base to run fire missions. That's just my unit though.
Not sure what the current procedures are but we were detached quite frequently to wander around somewhere in the middle of our company patrol areas whenever we did training at Bragg or Polk. I was in during peacetime (94-97) so that probably would be a bad plan in Afghanistan but a POG or REMF I was not. Cut trees down to get access to sky for the rounds to travel through? Check. Ambush opfor at JRTC? Check. Bitch about the weight of my ruck jumping in to either of those? Double check. Who doesn't like to whine though.
Youre still a pog.
I like how grunts harp on pogs... but without pogs grunts would never be able to do what they do.
"You yell, we shell. High angle HELL". Old 11C with experience on the 81mm and track mounted 4 Duce as gunner. Loved the 4 Duce! Moved into the FDC long before anything was computerized. Just radios to forward observers and field phone to the guns.
Fired a 4.2 in my AIT. Kinda crazy watching it almost all the way out and back down.
Plotting boards were still in effect for this 11c1p. 4 deuce was my ride though.
@@CrazyK1 me and another E4 were the computers. He was the "primary computer " and I was the "check computer ". As you know, we would run identical plotting boards and I would double check all his gun data. After being told by the platoon Sargent I was better than the "primary" I said, "then why am I still the check computer?" He said, "because you ARE better! You catch all of his mistakes!"
@Gene R. Definitely military thought process...
“You don’t want to be dropping smoke on positions you meant to be dropping explosives on”
That would be fine because the smoke rounds are white phosphorus. You just don’t want that stuff near your own guys…
As a forward observer my favourite mortar shell was phosphorus fired with a delayed fuse just behind enemy lines, especially at night. Unlike the anti tank mortar we used to tell the rookies we had. It had three holes of various depth drilled in the nose with three ball bearings in. You fire them off over a tank and as the mortar turns on its downward flight, the three ball bearings drop out and knocks on the tank hatch...
11 Charlies. "You Yell, We Shell!" As a retired 19 Delta? Loved calling fire from these guys!
Yeap!😂👍 scout out!! Garry Owen.
WW1 artillery was perfectly capable of firing in high arcs - amybe some of the cannon couldn't, but they had howitzers to do just that - even then, tilting cannon up with dugouts would have been pretty easy.
Thing is, that artillery was several kilometers behind the front line, without direct line of sight, and their means of communication were either land lines (frequently cut by enemy action, sometimes artillery, sometimes foot) or carrier pigeons. Not the most reliable thing if you needed to deliver precision shelling seconds before you go over the top. Add to that inaccuracy caused by sometimes subpar shells, and, well, mortars suddenly sounded like a very good idea.
OMG, great video! I was an 11C back in 1975-1978, and my gun was the old M29 81mm mortar. It was a great weapon, and I enjoyed being a mortar squad leader.
"That's freedom right there!" ... this guy always cracks me up while also impressing with his nuanced insights!
I was a LI rifle company commander in Vietnam, ‘67-‘68. Our weapons platoon had 3ea 81mm mortars. That system was a total bitch to hump, and most of the rest of the company’s squads would carry a round or two. (The guys who switched off carrying that bitch of a baseplate were unsung heroes!). My mortar guys, under the splendid leadership of PSG Haskell Riddle, were simply incredible. He had them memorize various HE charge/elevation configurations for various ranges and, from complete disassembly during movement, could bring hot steel down on the enemy’s head in well under a minute (no whiz wheel required!). He and his guys saved our butts a number of times when hidden enemy positions opened up on us... gave us the opportunity to more effectively close in and engage. I know I speak for all of my guys when I say I wish we had been able to carry the 60mm system... SO much less humping weight.
I was the fire direction chief for the 4.2 mortars in Vietnam 68-69 loved my job and the squads that were with us. We were moved from hill to hill for direct fire support for the line companies. I fired over a million rounds during my tour in Nam. Hank Suffoletto(TOP WOP)
Thanks for loading up a new video right as I go on lunch! That idea about the Marine Vs Army platoon organization is awesome. So many people ask me the difference between Crayon eaters and Enlistment bonus receivers, it'd be interesting to see your take on it. Maybe go into their intended purpose and practical application as well.
I was a 13E cannon fire direction specialist, an MOS that went away when the Army changed the computer software the FDC uses. This was informative and I learned somethings, thank you.
Chris, very well done! Excellent delivery of the subject matter. Wish all my instructors had been as good as you. Veteran U.S. Army Republic of Vietnam 3-70 to 3-71 Was 26L20F5 over there in the Regular Army then commissioned in 1978 as a 14 Bravo in the National Guard. Finished up as Captain (P) in the IRR. Welcome Home and thank you for your service to our great country in the U.S. Army!
Rene Melendez thanks for watching ! It Means a lot that a fellow veteran likes the presentation
When I was in Iraq, our FOB was mortared from time to time. We had that radar and the cannons immediately shot back. BUT the problem was that those sneaky SOB's would take a mortar tube, put a block of ice in it, then the actual mortar, and walk away. As the day went on, the ice would melt, and the mortar would go off. So when the cannons shot back, they just blew up a spent mortar tube and some camel spiders.
Now that’s savy! The enemy isn’t stupid like most people think..
Or maybe they just had a greater cause, defending their land and people, rather than the aggressor who are just getting paid to go kill some innocent women and children, think about it you SOB!
Mortars! I still.remember the paper tearing sound, that some of our 81mm rounds made, as they were flying through the air, to the impact zone, at Rodriguez Range, in South Korea, 1981! See the 3 rounds impact, simultaneously was really something!
I was there in 85!😂👍
Marine Vet 76-82...field radio operator. Worked with mortar teams. Relayed dope from the FO. My favorite mortar round.........White phosphorus! Wooly pete is always a crowd pleaser except the receiving end!
US Army veteran here, Sept.78-Sept.91, 67V & 11B MOS.. Love the videos! Keep em coming....
Mortars: *exist*
11 Charlie: "Hahaha small tube go thunk-boom"
Also, Coop772 cameo! Yay!!
That's pretty much how I think 🤣
I was at a position in Vietnam and the 60’s were firing at some enemy who had started firing machine guns at us. The mortars were going bang, bang, bang, when one went boop instead of bang, as was standard practice the gunner and almost everyone in hearing range yelled, “Short round.”
That meant “hit the deck,” because the mortar shell malfunctioned, wasn’t going as far as it should and could at any moment sling shrapnel all through our position. To my horror, the guy in my foxhole (who didn’t seem to have a full magazine to work with) jumped up shouting, “Where, where is it.” He said later he’d heard of short rounds, but had never seen one. I had hardly any time to act. I jumped up and tackled his legs, pulling him down as lethal shrapnel whizzed past, kicking up dust where it hit around us.
Great job !
Hope he learned . . . DOWN
I was 11B with 7th ID, got out in '76; never worked with mortars, either, but my Dad was part of a heavy mortar company in the Pusan Perimeter early in the Korean war, and he told me about how bad it got for a while. God bless all those 11Charlies out there!
Back in 80's boot camp 11B and 11C had same length of training time. I was at Ft Benning GA for my 11B training. Our training platoon (3rd Herd) started both 11B and 11C trainees (about 50) and graduate together at the end of training cycle (finished Basic and AIT). During AIT, we went to the different training location for 11B and 11C, but by the end of day we all came back sleep inside same barrack.
Hey, so I’m a 11c with 10mtn and I can give a simple explanation on how we work. On the line when you work with the 60 the gunner will carry the system in “beast mode” that’s the entire system put together with the new m8a1 baseplate and slung, the gunner is also responsible for entering the data on the sight, controlling the cross level bubble and elevation bubble, the ab must prep the rounds, punch the tube after every fire mission and 12 rounds, keep the area clean for the gunner and hang the rounds, the squad leader will take commands from FDC and relay them to the gunner and inform him on the type of mission. The squad leader also checks the date before firing. For the 81 and 120 they work on a battalion level so they are there own company usually called hhc and they always sit in the fob and provide support for the line when the 60 can’t hit the target. One funny thing is that there is almost none of us the 11b’s don’t really know that we are there and what we do. And the ones that do usually don’t like us because we can fuck around and do more things that they can’t. If anyone has more questions I would love to respond to them
I was with 2/14 HHC 81MM Platoon then 60mm in the guard.
Is it true each mortar gun team in in charge of firing different rounds? Like for example Gun 2 fires only HE, while Gun 3 only fires lumen? Just trying to understand. Thanks.
@@monkeymofo depending on the fire mission, if we get a call only asking for he then all guns will fire. if we get a shake and bake then 2,4 gun will fire he and 1,3 will fire wp. we had some missions where 2 and 3 gun fired he and 1 gun shot smoke and 4 gun was lum. hope this helped. if you have anymore questions ask away
@@ericmcclanahan5938 i was 3/10 2-2 hhc out of polk as 81 2 gun then went to bco for my line time.
Drone mortars. Reminds me of Battlefield 4
This is a really excellent analysis of mortar usage and tactics. Both among the best of the videos I've seen from you, and on the weapon class.
Interesting - I was a 11B2P in the states, germany and VN. Our mortars were 81mm and they did train to keep pace with us. The guns broke down into inner and outer ring base plates, tube and bipod. By my time in VN, 1968, the mortar crews were at fire support base camps along with the artillery. The mortar platoon also had the 106 RR teams (mainly anti take use) and in Germany and Korea, the Red Eye anti-aircraft shoulder fire rocket. The money we spent. Keep up the good work.
One of my fondest memories, from Vietnam, was the day our 81mm mortar tube was damage by an enemy mortar round and Command decided not to replace it. If you ever had to carry one in a mountainous, triple canopy jungle you would know why I was happy. Been there, done that. MOS 11C, Company C, 4th Bn, 3rd Inf, 11th Light Infantry Bde, 23rd Infantry Division (Americal) October 1970 - October 1971
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Welcome home GI.
I was with the 101st in 72. We had an 81mm tube that had rounds going everywhere. We had a borescope and pullover gauge done it. It was so old and fired so many times it was now an 82mm. No, it wasn't an NVA mortar made by Russia or China.
Yeah, that sounds like I Corps.
Mortars have barrels. Toothpaste has tubes
To be honest, when I started watching I thought you said “Chris Crappy.” Sorry.
you and every bully I went to elementary school with apparently, its cool I have therapy tomorrow anyways
Task & Purpose well now I feel really bad. Sorry again.
@@beowulf9878 Im kidding lol I should have put a "/s" I don't do therapy the liquor stores are still open
Task & Purpose are you going to do a video on 6mm ARC, or will that be a while? I haven’t seen much about it, so I’m guessing it’ll be a while.
We referred to ourselves at "smart infantryman" because we had to pass a math test to be 11C. I'm from the old school before the 120mm. We had the 4.2 inch (107mm) mortar, either in an M106A1 Track mounted or carried in the Gamma Goat for Ground mount in light Infantry.
Thank you .....I have always been fascinated by mortar systems...
Wow, they have made some improvements. I am a 11C from way back. Both light infantry and heavy armor. Used the 4.2 inch in Iraq on a 113. We had cheese charges for range. I did see any of those in your video, just powder bags. That’s very cool and I’m sure increases the rate of fire quite a bit.
Remember after a live fire piling those leftover cheese squares in a big pile and burning them off? It was intensely bright.
@@2528drevas That was the cherry blossom on the cake. Used to have fun with that stuff. 👹
I was British Army, serving on Main Battle Tanks. Although we could have mortars attached to our battle groups, it was more common to have artillery attached (shoot & scoot). The infantry might form a Combat Team, with probably a troop of MBTs attached, in which they would use mortars.
I was a 81mm mortar gunner but cross trained as a machine gunner in the Marines.
In total I easily shot over 100,000 mortar rounds over my 4 years. I was the adjusting gunner (essentially the fastest in the battalion) and they'd send me out to ranges every week to shoot for other units. It was fun the first few times, but god old really fast.
I wasn't aware that the 'big brains' were the ones using it in the Army prior to this video, but it's the same in the Marines.
Does anyone else have a great appreciation for mortars and the awesome "thump" sound they make when fired?
We had to qualify on the 84mm mortar for my combat leaders course
After a week...we could correctly state
"the baseplate is fucking heavy"
6 times out of 10
In the dark
You mean 81mm, not 84mm.
@@MrLamapare
Ok....I might be having a CRAFT moment (can't remember a fucking thing)
Because a lot of beer has gone under that bridge....
Am I confusing it with the Carl G?
@@notlikely4468 If you are mistaking the 81mm for the Carl Gustav I think you are having a CRAFT moment, yes.
MrLamapare That's what I was scratching my bounce at.
@@gangstar8652
Ya...I could go back and edit that
But....fuck it...I got big enough shoulders
Yes, please do an army vs marine platoon setup. I was a 11B in a cavalry squadron so I don't even know how a regular army infantry platoon is setup 😂
I was a medic with mortar teams that rode around in Gamma Goats with 81's. A company is usually 250 men give or take a few. The Battalion I was with had Hqs Company and A, B, and C companies with C being heavy weapons like 106 mm Recoiless rifles on jeeps then converting to TOW's. Each company had a mortar platoon with A and B having 81's (3 each) and C company having 4.2 in mortars (3).
I was a mortar man in the USMC (0341). 81mm mortar. All of our mortars had a plate on them that said U.S Army. Marines at that time, it may be different these days, but we got hand-me-downs.. from the video it looks to me like the Army and Marines fire the weapon differently. Both still drop the round down the barrel, but we didn’t use two hands quite like the Army appears to do. We used two hands to insert the round and then held with 1 hand until fire command was given. We then dropped the round with our hands going downward to the tip of our left foot. Our first mortars didn’t have a trumpeted end to suppress the flames from firing. We didn’t get those until a few years later. 81 mm required 3 men to operate the actual mortar, barrel man, Baseplate man, and the ammo man. Others in the platoon operated the Fire Direction Center (FDC) and other were Forward Observers (FO). The baseplate man would also be the one taking the candy cane out to be aligned. Barrel man would level the sights on the barrel. Ammo man was the worst.. taking a mortal round out of the packaging was very labor intensive. We only ever fired the rounds with 2 increments. The rounds were dated way back to the Vietnam era. They had 9 increments out of the box. 7 had to be removed. Ammo man really had to be on his toes. I miss those days. It has most likely contributed to my hearing loss in my old age.. Semper Fi..
I love how he talks that makes the gamers to understand
How does an 11Bravo greet an 11Charlie?
"What are the poles for?"
Hey diddle diddle far pole in the middle
11B's just don't know how to work the poles.
Poles are for aiming.
High Angle Hell Baby! I was an Armor Officer who was a Mortar Platoon Leader and loved it. It was such a great group of guys, and we had a lot of fun, until we had a illum round hang in the tube and we thought it was going to set off all the ammunition we had stacked to shoot, you have never seen men jump off an armored vehicle faster than that night, thankfully there were no serious injuries. I worked with a Marine mortar section in Fallujah, and they were damn good troops.
In 2002-2003, we where under heavy fire from a 8 story building.
Our mortar team (Who claim it wasn't a lucky shot) got one of their bombs to hit the center of the roof, go down the elevator shaft and tear the building down
"artillery isn't as portable as mortars"
*Laughs in Paladin*
To be fair you can jump a 60mm mortar. Don't think the paladin is air droppable is it? Regardless, I get your point, the paladin is a badass system.
Anytime i see a mortar i think about those funny fail videos where the shell drops like 2 feet infront of the tube and everyone starts running
I was in a British Army 81mm Mortar Platoon for 9 years, we had a three man team on the weapon plus two giving the orders for elevation and bearing from the control post.
Thanks for this vid. Those new 60s look sweet. My first enlistment was as 11C with 2nd Rangers in the 70's and 80's. We humped that damn thing all over central America. The new trigger fire looks like it could also act as a handle while humping and provide, as you said, an almost instantaneous reaction from the gunner using line-of-sight. Gimme a tube and some rounds and let's blow shit up. "High Angle Hell" was our motto at Benning... thanks again for the video man! keep up the good work!
What if i put a m9 bayonet on the mortar shell
*modular*
Did it out of a 120mm, went about 2k meters, be better to just throw the propellant down into it, charge 10 or so, make a 1/8th wood circle put as much metal fragments and M9 bayonets and use as a civil war cannon haha
I want to hipfire a mortar
@@penis9023 No, you really dont..
Rangar Smith, go for it. I'll even give you a dollar.
My favorite mortar round was Willy Pete. To be used on troops in the open.
AKA WARM PERSONS.
When I was an 11C we couldn't use Willy Pete against personnel. It was considered a war crime, but you could use it against their equipment.
@@willnelson1931 Different time, different place. We were taught to shoot white phos on delay just behind enemy lines. The delay allows the round to dig a nice hole, and when they went off there would be a 60mm tube of white phos spraying onto the enemy's back.
I was a M224 60mm mortar gunner in the 101st Airborne, switching from 11B rifleman opting for OJT to fill soon to be empty gunner position. Ended up having to pick a whole team and train up OJT on exercises. We had two guns but only kept one team/gun running in the mid to late 80’s. I really enjoyed that job, well, everything but the everlasting tinnitus.
Was in the Army first three years as a 11C ,was stationed in Wiesbaden Germany 1978 to 81 . They put me in a combat support company for a tanker company, we fired the 4.2 inch mortars mounted on a APC,Enjoyed my time at ranges even though seemed like we were always live firing in snow.all the time there we only once ground mounted once, but now i know why.lol Guess we had it easier then most with firing that not having to hump the rounds or tube around.
Idk why, but you remind me of Lewis Nixon from Band of Brothers
my favorite character of Band of Brothers what would LT Winters have done without his sarcastic buddy?
@@Taskandpurpose And what would Nixon have done without a seemingly endless supply of Vat 69?
Shit. You're right. But can he grow the same majestic Bastogne Beard?
@@Taskandpurpose I was HHC 1-506th Inf 2ID out of Korea. We had to learn the entire 506th history and the 506th still has Items from Maj. Winters and Nixon's time in WW2. Notably winters reserve parachute handles from D-day are attached to a grog bowl made from hitle silverware taken from eagles nest.
Is it the alcoholism?
“60% have insane amounts of debt due to getting new Ford Mustangs...”. 1)Hilarious 2)Sad 3)True
Great series !!! As an Air Force medic I was always jealous of all of the army’s toys !
I was 11C back in the 80's and 90's. I humped 81mm in Panama, firing up through the jungle canopy. One of our favorite missions was combo, HEQ plus HED plus VT fuses (variable time - bursting 9m above the ground) and WP rounds. Short rounds were not fun though.
White Phos scares the shit out of me!
Imagine a Mortar being used as a shouldermounted Launcher
Recoil would be a bitch and idk if the charge would go off properly due to the short distance
PIAT
Some snuffies in RVN ca. '65--'70 got the idea that shooting a 'chopper agl round, aka high pressure, from an m79 would be a good idea. It didn't hurt the m79....
You can only do it once
Chris father my children
I'll be ur daddy
@@Taskandpurpose bruh hold tf up
*eats crayons with confusion*
I like this video...I served as an 'ammo bearer' and 'assistant gunner' on a 60mm mortar team for approximately 4 months....
As a former artillery gunner, signaler and technician, I agree with what you say about the artillery. Mortars and artillery guns have two similar but distinct functions. Both are very much appreciated by the ground troops. Both are ear damage causing also.
Difference between army and marine: Marines get pack of crayons with MRE
We also have to wait 10 years to get the cool stuff the Army gets
Although no joke I watched a marine mortar team go five for five dunking inert rounds into five gallon buckets at different ranges. Broke the bottoms of the buckets but not the sides
I'd like to see someone figure out how to make crayon skittles lol.
Artillery can shoot high angle just like mortars. It all depends on the range to target. Of course when you’re shooting close to 20,000 meters it won’t be high angle.The highest charge you can shoot high angle with is 7. The max range for 7 is 11,500 meters. So, high angle would be in ranges quite closer than that. This is all M119A2 shit. Fuck heavy and medium artillery. So far as speed advantage, we pulled off sub-minute splash on the point of origin during counterfires in the Triangle of Death in Iraq. That’s fast. Sub-minute from acquisitions to splash on target. One advantage of a typically low trajectory is a quicker time of flight. It gives the enemy less time to displace.
We were used quite extensively there. 2,700 rounds. We shot troops in contact on quite a few occasions. Even for our own cannon cockers out on patrol a few times. Which is kind of weird. You’ve got a 13B out there doing 11B and 13F shit.
General Casey, General Odierno and like 10 or so other Generals came out to see us. It got pretty old, to be honest. You’d think we were the Army’s best arty platoon or something.
I got to the second sentence and then you lost me.
Sincerely,
An 11B
Dr4gon2000 we still like you guys. That deployment we got about 20 brand new 11B’s and 19D’s to beef up our numbers. An arty battery is kind of small.
@@Dr4gon2000
lmao
was an 11B but got stuck in an 11C company through basic, didn't like the extra 3 weeks at the time but looking back i'm glad I got the experience.
brings back too many memories, started out as a Para on 81s, before being retrained due to cutbacks on AT with Wombat and 84 ( yea we had CG84, in early 70's) through to Milan in late 70's ..
Enjoyed an exchange stint working in US with Airborne and USMC.. pretty impressed with their methods.
Side note: we got into a firefight, and taking quite heavy incoming, until they were shutdown, then the Corp tapped me on shoulder and pointed behind me to an 82 that was lying half buried on the sand bags , never heard it .. I decided then that civvy life was beckoning, our USSF liaison, beside me said that was the second time for him, and last..
_"...you can fire directly over forward troops"._
Yeah...it's all fun & games untill you get a batch of bad charge disks... Then it's just games... Dust-off games.
11C here 4 Duce track mounted. Got woke up one morning on the firing range In Germany with 8" shells whizzing overhead. They were about 3 klicks behind us. Sounded like a freight train going by.
11C and was in from 94-97. Memorable event was firing leftover rounds from 1949 in the rain. Turns out the charges don't burn that well after all of that time and with the humidity? It was raining confetti unburned nitro charges. Almost had a friendly fire during a live fire because our rounds weren't going the 1000m they were supposed to and almost landed near the shoot houses. Think it was near the end of Sicily DZ. Typed this for a comment above and then saw this one, worked so much better.
Yup. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Mortar teams were buttholes. Let me explain. I use to go out to inspect forward bases in Nam. These teams always wanted to show off their tubes. They would fire the motor straight up. You can watch them go straight up. Then they go out of sight. Straight Up. This damn thing was going to land on me. I have to stand there showing no damn fear. I can not duck. I have to stand and wait for my death. You can never show fear. Obviously I didn’t but I felt it.
BTW. My helicopter got shot down with a 50 cal. Rescue helicopter got hit with a mortar from the bad guys. 2 feet from my head a piece of that mortar went thru. Hey, I hate mortars. ;-). I lived
I was 11B and got assigned to mortars due to the lack of 11C's. We had M224 & it was a cool weapon system. I was sad when I got sent back to the line because I came to like the job!
I'm partial to the 120mm APTS-HEAT IR-homing round, and our mortars were assigned two platoons of 3 towed 120mm pieces each to one Mech inf. or Tank battalion.
The mortar system I was trained on in 2003, which entered service in 1941, is currently beeing phased out of the regular army, replaced with a dual barrel semi-automatic 12cm mortar system in a tracked and fully enclosed IFV platform.
The towed mortars are transfered to the national defence militia as a much needed force multiplier.
One of the easiest subscribe button hit I’ve mad since seeing a Forgotten Weapons video ! Please keep this format ! Quick and simple! Like a Marine with a box of crayons ...
Our Finnish Patria AMOS is the best mortar system ever. It's computer can fire with pinpoint accuracy up to 14 rounds (120mm) while on the move in different trajectories, so that they hit the target at the same time. And much more. 26 rounds per minute.
Yup, that's excellent modern achievement!!! Computers can do miracles... It is usable only in limited distances, but is duable... One mortar, can create damage as a battery or two... Bravo..
My favorite mortar round is the elusive yet always exciting short round
In my unit in 66-7, we (the Grunts) carried 23 pound WP and HE 81mm rounds in addition to the 400-800 rounds of 5.56mm, (or 30-50 M-79 rounds in old Claymore bags), two-four frags, M60 MG belts, Claymores and M-72 LAWS. We had one tube with eight-ten men carrying the tube, the two piece base plate, the tripod and sights, and the aiming stakes. One or two "Dud" E-6s were in charge Of the mortar crew. Only two men were 11-Charlies. The others were 11Bs who we're non functional (for one whacky doodle reason or another) to carry all the gear, do radio watch and dig in at night (every night). Imagine (if you will) hacking away through the jungle, all your excess stuff foisted off on other guys (now down to a paltry 65 lbs), until you were exhausted, then you drop back down in the column and get not only your share of all the crap, but a piece of the new Point Man's crap as well... Ahhh, The joys of being an 11Bravo ... (BTW twice there were "Hang Fires" and a dud round landed close, failing to ignore the main charge... Hence ((With a mortar, if the round did not receive enough of a kick from its shot-shell detonator and set off the main charge, enough to create the sudden acceleration necessary to release the inertial pin designed to pop out and arm the round, it would go “plonk” instead of “boom”, and yells of “Short Round” would echo. More than once we had a Mortar Short Round fall in close. An 81 MM mortar round once failed to initiate its launching charge properly. It landed twenty feet in front my hole. Its fins protruded above ground. It didn’t explode. Six of us then tumbled into my newly dug foxhole, legs, torsos, heads, arms all entwined randomly in a squirming pile. ‘A pile that led to, “Get the FXXX off of me, adzehole!… Get your foot off my face…” Everyone dove into holes and this is one of the reasons plotting fires did not occur until after we’d dug in, another... being in case we’d been noticed, by “Charlie”. That way, we would have a place to duck into if he decided to attack, with mortars, RPGs and small arms fire))
I served in the Burundi military for a few years at the end of the 90s/ beginning of the 2000s. During that time, the 60mm mortar was used at the platoon level, the 82mm at the company level and the 120 at the batallion level. All soviet made. But that was on paper, and situations varied greatly with units according to the resources available. You could even have the 82 used at the batallion level, while an artilery group had a whole battery of 120s in its arsenal along with towed D30 122mm howitzers and BM21 Grad MRLS.
Thanks for the shout out...11C from Harmony Church, Ft Benning, 1984 We ran 81mm and 4.2" mortars, the 4 deuce out of M113 personnel carriers for mobile infantry units. RESET and realign aiming posts
The CRAM/CWIS is one of my favorite US military weapons! It is literally a bullet hose spraying 20mm HE rounds! It looks and sounds like freedom!
I am an old 11C. There are older but, not many. Here are a few chuckles from the old days.
1) We got a new mortar tubes when our unit was formed as a new unit. It was always shooting all over the place. We took it in to get borescoped and it turned out that it was so old and abused, that it was now no longer an 81mm, but an 82mm.
2) We always told 13B's that 11C's were smarter because the 13B's only had too count to 8. The 11C's had too count to 42, with the 4.2, and in fractions. The 13B's did have us beat on one thing. They had too be able too tell red from green.
3) Talking about colors. We had a guy that was reclassified too be an 11C. He was smart, could hump all day, and was a great soldier. The trouble was, he was color blind and couldn't see the red and white aiming stakes. So, we painted a pair of them green and black just for him. Problem solved.
4) I see that some of the mortars have a large muzzle opening like a Blunderbuss. What's the matter Kiddies? You can't hit the opening on your own?
I saw a post on UA-cam that showed you how too make your own mortar for backyard use. I think I try and find it again.
Have fun all, and to you young guys. Thanks for taking over.
You've got a new sub. I left the Army 16 years ago and I enjoy your informative vids.
My father was in a heavy mortar team in the Korean war 3rd ID.. Great video..
IM an old vet 1 I really glad I found your channel , very well done !
I'm an old 11C... ets'ed in 1989. I used the 81mm the most but on occasion the 60mm. New to the channel and catching up on some of the content. Keep up the good work brother ☮️💜
Crazy how nobody’s made an 11B wisecrack yet after seeing “Artillary” and “Trenchs” @ 1:58....oh wait I just did :)
All kidding aside this is a great channel, and thank you for your service!
I’d love to see that video on the different objectives. Love your content my dude.
I was an 11chuck, trained at Uncle Sugars School for Wayward Boys @ Harmony Church. I always enjoyed HE when we could see where they land.
A lot has changed since My training on 60mm/82mm mortars back in '84, More than likely the equipment is of light weight materials Because my memory serves me correct a 82m mortar pipe is a damn heavy/awkward item to hoof about.
The ammunition has advanced dramatically too.
Thank you Task&Purpose.