Suzuki SX4: EVAP System Trouble
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In this video I have a look at a guys 2009 Suzuki SX4 with the engine light on with EVAP leak codes. The problem with these Suzuki's can be getting parts for them. That is exactly what we run into...
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Now, before all the armchair experts chime in stating that they have found the filler neck on eBay or I love my Suzuki dot com please understand this from a business owners point of view. I called my local Suzuki dealer with the VIN and checked on availability of the filler neck. Per the VIN the part number has been discontinued. I then took that part number and did the same Google search that you just did and it did not reveal any thing. Even on eBay. Did eBay show a filler neck for an SX4? You bet they did. Did any of the numbers match mine? No, they didn't. Can I as a business owner get wrapped up buying parts from the web, hoping they might fit then end up with hundreds of dollars in parts and shipping fees trying to return the parts that don't fit? The short answer is no, I can't. I know this is a hard pill for some DIY'ers to swallow but I have been doing this for 25 years as a shop owner and it is a road I don't like to travel. If I was a DIY'er and this was my own car and I had the time to waste ordering parts from across the pond, paying the shipping, scouring southern salvage yards and taking my old filler neck in and out a dozen times to see if I got the right one it would be a different story. I hope this makes sense why I handle things the way I do. As cliché as this sounds, this is how the cookie crumbles at times. I wish I had endless time to spend helping each person but at the end of the day I have bills to pay and mouths to feed so I need to keep movin' on.
Cheers,
-Eric O.
We get it buddy. I would have done the same. You're quite right.
i agree 100%
I don't know Suzukis outside of they aren't sold in the US anymore but was curious about the "obsolete" part numbers. Like BMW will have original part numbers for when the car was initially made and then will have superceded PNs for "same thing" but new batch or something. I guess with their move out of the US market they don't really have something like that?
I would take exception to one small point of your rant. The "mouths to feed" duties appears to be fulfilled by Venessa O. Buying ice cream does not count .
BTW, the Venesska moniker coined by your father is both harmless & humorous even though it clearly annoyed her. No one appreciates name manipulation but your Dad wasn't being mean or spiteful.
Amen Brother. And, Not being a Jerk at all. Common sense economic business decision. This is an example of the long term effects of dealing with lesser stable products in the marketplace. Carry on smartly.
Nah. We don't think you're a jerk for that buddy. We think you're a jerk for being such an awesome mechanic and making the rest of us look like we're sittting still. lol
It is not difficult for Eric to demonstrate the inadequacies of other shops.
🎯🤣🤣
Wait, hold up. I AM sitting still! 😁
For my old Suzuki 4x4 back in the day there were 4 or 5 different fuel pumps, which varied slightly. The 2nd one I got was wrong, but I modified it to fit. Arrhh.
Right call Eric, better being honest than keeping them waiting and THEN saying you can't fix it.
Good work 👏
I agree @Andy Jennings
Many years ago someone hit my Studebaker Hawk. I told the body shop I could get the parts, but he insisted they could them them. So we waited, and waited and waited... and finally he admitted they couldn't get the parts. I brought the parts the next day.
@@JeffDeWitt Them them ❓❓
Experience teaches you when it's time to walk away. Good lesson for everyone.
@@billupstateny9151 Typo Typo?
I lived in the rust belt for fifty years before moving to the south about fifteen years ago. I never realized the toll that the chemicals used to keep roads clear take on a car. The difference between the underside on the cars that Eric services and those that Rainman Ray services in Florida is stark.
Yeah, I noticed the same thing it’s crazy
Being from another country entirely where the roads (to my knowledge) never get salted since it's usually hot and dry, watching these has definitely been an eye opener. 'From the bottom of the ocean' comes to mind. Brutal.
I needed to change the shocks on my 97 Jeep Cherokee.
There are videos all over the web of people having issues with rusted shock mount bolts on the rear shocks.
I was prepared for the worst.
ZIP! came right out, no issues at all.
Ran into the same thing removing the original trailer hitch to replace with a 2" receiver model. 22+ year old bolts, unscrewed with no issues.
That's what living in Georgia your whole life (and owning the Jeep since it was new) does for you.
I remember my first visit to San Fran. Colud not believe how old some of the cars were and no rot.
I know Australia is opposite land for most people but here all the soft stuff falls to bits but the metal remains, its not as bad as it used to be but a 70,s ,80,s car would have its interior, steering wheel, dashboard, door rubbers and paint disintegrate from heat but the rest of the car would be fine.
My son has an '08 SX4 that he bought new and refuses to part with. It has many of the same issues, as well as a couple of the wires to the leak detection pump being broken off at the connector. However, since we live in a state with no inspections or emissions testing, he's free to keep riding it around with the engine light on until the wheels fold up under it and it bellyflops to the ground. Meanwhile, I try to avoid working on the damned thing.
I could not agree more. My son had 2 Javelins that he thought were great and to this day I have nightmares about the time and labour I spent working on those houses of horror.
Down here in in the south where things don't rust, cars last so much longer than in the salt belt. I see a lot more Suzukis and Isuzus down here than you do I'm sure. That said, most places still won't touch them because of the parts issues you mention. I don't mind working on them, but I just make sure people understand that if I have to order something from Japan they have to wait, and pay accordingly. I've become the only guy in the area that does this and I've carved a nice little niche out doing it. Just rebuilt the rear end, replaced u-joints, and resealed the transfer case in an 88 Samurai a few weeks ago. Parts took 4 weeks to come from Japan. Owner was happy though.
Heck, I've waited longer than that for parts to come from California to Florida. :)
Us northerners love getting southern used vehicles so long as they weren't flooded. Those older japanese imports simply don't last up here whereas older detroit iron seems to take it a lot better. With today's new cars I'd say things are about even when it comes to rust. US automakers no longer spend an additional penny on rust protection unlike 20 years ago, and imports now DO design with rust in mind.
As a retired mechanic I agree with you not wanting to get involved with all that. During my days spinning wrenches on stock-cars, we sometimes utilized the services of a fiberglass crafter to create fuel fill tubes for custom fits. Just paint it with epoxy and all is good.
Eric, your videos are a constant reminder that to those of us in the rust belt that we need to keep using the Fluid Film!
It reminds me to never travel there, let alone move there.
You guys need plastic cars.
@@pvillehick67 Not too far off of what they are these days.
Let’s make them Carbon Fiber.
I got my 2014 Sonata sprayed with oil/wax mix yearly when it was new ( 3 times) after that, every second year. I have no sings of rust,washing and regular waxing will also protect the paint. I do live in Québec and they use all those chemicals in the snowy long lasting winter months.
ur the most honest mechanic in the world, ur not a jerk for turning down the repair, but for bumping into the camera in a tight space, thats another thing, 😁 thanks for posting
You have to let these types of jobs go. It's good that you let the customer know what needs to be done or replaced but chasing parts from a business point of view is a waste of energy, time and money. I personally own a 2000 Suzuki Esteem which is rust free and better mechanically and appearance than a lot of vehicles that are 5 years old but in Hawaii, we don't have the salt on the roads like the salt belt states. I do have issues finding my parts now and then but I have the time to hunt them down. I'm a retired mechanic from working on vehicles for 50+ years and watching SMA does help me to understand the newer vehicles since I still work on friends and neighbors cars as a past time. Great job Eric O...
As a shop owner myself, I would make the same call as you. This type of situation is unfortunate but in reality, chances are the customer already knew that parts availability would someday be an issue. They are, after all, driving a vehicle that was manufactured by a company that left the US market 10+ years ago.
Here for the traditional elegant segue to the outro!! Your tongue-in-cheek delivery always makes me chuckle!
Hopefully the customer understands why they got such a great deal on the Suzuki when they bought it.
When parts are obsolete it's time to let the vehicle go. It's rotted out, now it becomes a safety problem. You did the right thing Mr. O.
A mentor once told me: "You are defined by the things you DON'T do". Kudos man for knowing when to walk away. This job is one I would call the domino effect. One thing falls into another, and you'll get nothing but grief from the customer if you go forward with it.
You are so right. I have a one-man fabrication and repair shop. I tend to get a lot of jobs for old mowers, motorcycles, chainsaws, etc. that none of the big shops will touch...for the very reasons Eric gives us above. They almost always end up being frustrating headaches that take hours and hours that I can't possibly charge the customer for. One day I will learn to say "no" to this type of work...and that day is getting closer.
No one should ever think you're a jerk Mr o you're being an honest man of your integrity and like you said as a business owner that's the proper way to go about it cut your losses and walk away that's what I would do exactly from the word go love you videos keep them coming
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Absolutely Eric, right call. I actually repaired a Suzuki Samurai ECU at component level. I thought well it is scrap so I had a go and got success. Capacitors had leaked all over the tracks and burned them. New caps and a couple of links and it worked. Time involved was about 2 hours. Much more and it would have been the crusher. No OBD2 on this vehicle.
I had an 86 Suzuki Samurai years ago It smoked like a freight train drink oil by the gallon and wouldn't pull its on self through a mud puddle without getting stuck but it start every time
when you hold onto discontinued models like the Gambler you have to know when to fold'em... nice job as always Mr E... RIP Mr. Rogers.
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Great point. There comes a time when things are not repairable economically
" Good call MR O" you are 100% correct.
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No one should expect you to spend hours searching and ordering misfit parts. Unfortunately the average consumer is oblivious to this issue. Great video as always. Wish you and yours a Merry Christmas
It wouldnt take hours...5 minutes tops to find the parts...he just doesn't do stuff thats not readily available.He could easily fix this car....he just desn't want to give it the special attention it needs.
For the amount of miles on the car the under hood looks really clean!
I grew up in IL and worked on plenty of cars that were a thousand pounds of rust on wheels. Now I live in AZ, and cars stay rust-free for decades! I watch every video you put out. You're definitely not a jerk. I understand your decision on this one, and I completely respect that you're willing to be straight with the owner! I watch your videos for 2 reasons; your knowledge and your integrity! Thank you for all of the great content, Eric!
That has got to be the cleanest 136K, 13 year old Suzuki engine bay there is!
Car wash only takes a few quarters and you can get any engine bay to look like that.
Yeah I saw the title of the video and then the engine bay and was confused
The refrigerant leak detector is great for finding gas leaks.
It’s also great for finding smoke too
When I was a kid, my first car was always kept going with used parts from scrap yards. You learn a lot doing things twice and then paying someone to do it properly. at least your consultation gives him parts to go hunt for on the used market. Lets hope it keeps going.
I love it! I've been the Kenny Rogers of south Jersey for 38 years! Funny how fellas from upstate NY think alike. I usually tell the customer if they can source the correct parts I'll install them. Alot of times they like the challenge and will actually get what's needed to fix their car.
Once again an oil based undercoating that sprays on and seeps into crannies & crevices would have saved
this vehicle if applied when newer & regularly. The hard film stuff you peeled off is almost worse than nothing
because any cracks lets water under it and corrosion eats away then unseen . In my youth I had cars that either the
motor was crap and body was good, or the motor was fine and the body & frame rusted away. Sadly some car buyers
trade every few years and could care less what the next owner runs into with rust. Used buyers should ALWAYS get
someone to hoist the car up and inspect for rust before buying anything. Love your honesty !👍👍✔.
"Or a space-age polymer formula that chemically bonds to the surface, resulting in a finish so hard diamonds can't cut it! How much would YOU pay for such a product? DON"T ANSWER, because we'll also throw in our NEW Car Finish Protector!...."
I get you totally on obsolete parts sourcing. I have sold or traded away 6 cars I just loved because they reached a point to where I could no longer get the parts I needed to make repairs. More often than not it’s body and chassis/suspension parts. I am now beyond the point where I am willing to crawl around salvage yards pulling parts. Especially on vehicles who’s parts are more often than not in worse condition than mine.
Sadly I had to let my 06 Grand Cherokee go 2 years ago for this same reason. Parts were getting so hard too find and stupid prices. I was lucky get one of the last OEM alternators for $1300. There were only 3 left in the world. I asked the Jeep dealer why, apparently Mercedes only keeps parts for 10 years then they get shredded and the model is so rare\old no-one rebuilds parts.
An old license plate to hold the new vent valve and some flex seal and this lady is back in business!!!
Use to love buying these from insurance auctions. Insurance would write these off no matter how little the damage due to no parts available. You could buy them dirt cheap and they weren't bad cars. I'd part one out and fix 3. But the value got so low they weren't worth messing with anymore. Last one I sold had 43k miles on it and the price I got for it was really low.
Would you happen to know where the fuel filter is on the kizashi?
This is the most positive person I’ve ever watched on UA-cam, South Main Auto, Heres you problem lady.
As you said obviously a good call from a business perspective. A possible option for the customer could be to go to an exhaust shop, I imagine they would be able to fabricate a replacement filler neck fairly easily if they had the original to copy. I assume there would be a lot of places that could bend/weld up a bracket as well.
Might cost a bit more than a replacement part, but probably cheaper than a new car.
Again not suggesting you should be doing that but possible options for the customer.
I was thinking the same thing. It's just metal tubing and assuming it can be removed in some resemblance of the original shape a decent tradesman with a tubing bender should be able to get close enough to keep it on the road. The bracket should not be too hard to duplicate either. The vent valve might be resurrected with a good cleaning too. But I do understand that a commercial shop can't afford the time to do this nor the liability that goes with it. Me? I'd do in in a heartbeat. Or I'd at least source the parts myself and have then on hand for a shop to install.
Bend a.pipe and splice it in with band clamps!
@@annyer262 This one time at band clamp I stuck a flute right up my......
Yeah, I did that, and it was a pain in the ass ... but it worked. But, I'm dyi and not a pro mechanic, and it was my own car, so nobody got upset at the non-factory filler.
As a business owner for over 40 years I know exactly where you are coming from. Your in business to make money, not waste money. See you in the next one.
Beautiful. LOVE seeing honest assessments. In addition to telling the owner you "can't fix it" "right now", you might tell them that provided THEY can collect the RIGHT parts, you'll be happy to fix their vehicle. But stress to them the need for exact matching part numbers, and explain the difficulties they might face. After that? Leave it TOTALLY in their hands.
Dude I am a seasoned vet in the Salt belt just south of shitcago, and I watch videos all the time seeing who knows what they are doing and youbare spot on my friend! Every time basically.... even someone like me can learn some things from you and I lined up my first timing chain on a 75 302 Ford at the age of 8 yrs old bravo my dude
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Hi Eric, I own a Suzy Grand Vitara. I know what you are going through. Even though mine is in decent shape for being an 06, some parts are hard to find. I have been lucky and found whatever i needed for the ole girl. So i dont blame you at all for not attempting that one on your lift. Love the content. Love from AZ ❤
grand vitara LOL LOL
@@daveblane6442 we called them Grand Viagara. 😁
WHAT! You have to make money?! Say it ain't so!
Seriously, thanks for taking us all on the ride figuring this out.
Sincerely, people like me who love troubleshooting.
I would appreciate a honest mechanic rather than a parts changer looking to stuff his own pockets. Keep up the awesome work Eric o
For my Suzuki I try parts if needed from a 2010 Chev Cobalt. I found rear disk pads came from an 88 Corvette. It's all mix and match. Manufacturers don't like to change machinery unless it is a must. I've been finding out this stuff over the years.
....you'd think Auto Parts retailers could do this, since they all have access to databases that the average Joe/Jane/Chuy & DIYer doesn't have access to. What I've learned, they rarely provide reliable services, and just do the minimum.🤨
All they're concerned is with their bottomline, profit margins, value of their stock and it's projected valuation for their stockholders 🤔
@@Texaca A few people go past the minimum. My sister was convinced that since her battery was a few years old, that she needed a new one. So she took her 2006 Mercury to a nearby Auto Zone store. An employee tested the battery and told her that she did not need a new battery! That was about 8 months ago & the battery is still working fine.
Since her home had a 23 year old natural gas central heating unit, she asked her HVAC tech to check & see if it needed to be replaced, since it was 23 years old. After going up into her attic and checking it, he told her that it didn't need to be replaced. So there are still a few honest people out there. Had the HVAC man told her that she needed a whole new HVAC system, she would have told him to change it, no second opinion sought. She has the money.
@@Texaca on the oreillys web site when you look up a part there is a click able item that let's you see parts compatibility with other vehicles. It's not 100% but it's pretty decent. Even if I don't use oreillys for said part I use it as a guide to see what might be compatible
My neighbor had one of these exact vehicles. I was astonished at how few parts were available. It seems as though the manufacturer only did one serious production run of replacement parts and then retooled for their next model. Neighbor *did* manage to find the parts he needed, but had to find them at the parts yard in town. Got it running enough to disable the error codes and promptly sold it off to a local mechanic who was aware of the limitations.
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Obsolete parts are driving me crazy ... and that's on a 2004 Corvette. Why GM wouldn't realize that people are not just going to scrap a 'Vette because it's approaching 20 years old is beyond me. But for some reason, the EBCM is completely unobtainable, and even something as benign as transmission cooler lines are no longer available. I've owned it since new, and have (had) every intention of keeping until I die ... but I am starting to wonder if that is going to be possible.
Doesn’t make financial sense for a business to keep producing every part for every vehicle they’ve ever made. Especially an electronic part like an EBCM which they probably bought from an outside supplier anyway. If the supplier doesn’t make it anymore, or a supplier that the supplier used doesn’t make a particular part for it anymore, then they aren’t going to sell it anymore. Sucks as a consumer, but it’s basic common sense for a business.
I thought about you just about 2 hours ago. I hit a deer in the ol' Marquis about a year ago and had to put a cheap Chinese radiator because the OEM one was discontinued. It started to leak this week. I found a guy that had a new old stock radiator; it is manufactured by Johnson Controls and said, "Born in the USA." I just came in about an hour ago and not a leak one. The name of the game is to make money; sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. You don't need to explain that to me, because I did this work years ago. You always do the best you can. That's all anyone can do. I think Ivan has one of these.....Oh! Wait, no. His is an XL-7. Great video!
Miracles are done in churches not in a repair shop like yours. Keep it up, you are the Best.
I commend you sir. I am a mechanic that has been spoiled by the area I work in which is in the south east u.s. That one suzuki had more rust than all the cars that have gone under my wrench all year long. Thanks for all of your knowledgeable videos, they help and explain on a level that even children could understand.
Much respect for your honesty with customers. Would not want it any other way👍👍👍👍👍😺🤗🐺
You suppose He said he could fix it but he just doesn't want to?That would be honest.
This is where being handy with cars is useful. That filler necked could be fabricated from scratch, as could be the bracket that holds the EVAP canister. But at that point it had better be a car that you really like, and Suzukis don't often fall into that category.
As a customer, I would rather you tell me that starting down that road might lead to major expenditures and that you would advise me to leave it alone because the labor hours might get ridiculous. As a DIY'er I could take a chance and spend a lot of time tracking down parts. Glad I watched this so I can tell my friends and family to stay away from Su-sucky! Thanks for another informative video.
You made the right call Eric. To much stuffing around around to get the right parts. Let the customer source the parts and no doubt you would gladly fix it for them
I run into the same (discontinued) problem with my 98 Wrangler and it can be a real PITA to track down acceptable replacement parts (especially sensors, modules, etc...). When I locate an OEM I try to buy 2 because there is no telling if they will be available 5yrs down the road. The hunt for serviceable parts in my area is made even tougher because there are very few junk yards and their prices can approach the "new in box" level. I totally get your "fold'em" decision!
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Parts availability is the reason I traded in my '06 Vitara in 2016. The parts were still available from Suzuki Canada, but many with a 2 week delay. Also, very, very little 3rd party parts.
Real shame, loved the little truck and damn reliable.
But why can't the company in Europe send on the parts It doesn't make sense you still see those cars around here in Europe
Eric, I totally see your point. As a person who does a lot of my own work, I, too, sometimes throw my hands up...and take it in. Wish I had access to someone like you or Ray, but I haven't found one near me! Do what you gotta do, your are not a jerk. You are an honest man who doesn't half a** it and cause more problems. Thanks again!
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Eric, you are a amazing diagnostician! Learned so much from you.
My newest vehicle is a '96 Chevy, my oldest is a tractor from the 40's. I run into obsolete parts all the time. If I can't buy what I need or if it just costs too much, I make it. That approach clearly wouldn't work for a business enterprise, Eric's call is the only one that makes sense here, but it does work for the right kind of DIY situation which for me relies upon my old school engineering background and a pretty well equipped machine shop. In this case, since the vent valve is available I'd buy it and fabricate whatever bracketry is needed to hold it in place. The filler neck would be more trouble than it's worth for me to make so I'd take the original down to my local muffler shop and ask them to whip me up a matching one from a chunk of exhaust pipe. If the bends needed were too tight for their mandrel I'd ask that they get as close as possible and I'd work with it from there. Any ports, fastener or connection points or other features I'd weld on as needed and beyond that I'd make it fit and make it work. In the old days kids took Shop in High School where they learned how to make stuff, most of what I build these days traces back to that early part of my education. The real trick is to keep secret one's ability to do these things, once that word leaks out you end up with a whole bunch of new best friends.
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The choice to not pursue to completion is the best option. Your found the problems and now the owner can go parts chasing if he/she wants to. I am amazed though at how good the floors looked in it...looks like most of the bolt on stuff is whats taking the corrosion beating.
Eric, I respect your position on passing on this job but to offer what I just did 2 months ago with my SX4 was went on Amazon ordered 1 3/8 id x 3 feet of gas hose (expensive) then went to Home Depot bought a couple of 90 degree plastic elbows some stainless steel hose clamps cut my filler neck 7 or so inches below the gas cap end plumbed it. Like my Suzuki but getting parts is getting hard. I like your channel.
For stuff like this, its best to contact a salvage yard in the southern states and have them ship you the part. There's not much else for options. *Pretty sure* that the 2 filler necks are for sedan and hatchback. But "pretty sure" can cost you a lot of time.
I've been running an 09 SX4 for several years now. It has been quite the skookum car.
Replacement parts are probably Chinesium these days.
@@dlewis9760 It is interesting that you mentioned this. I recently finished a rusted frame replacement on a Toyota pickup, and I replaced a generous amount of parts during the process... Gas tanks control arms, sway bar link, blah blah blah. Only 2 items said "made in China" on them. They were exhaust manifolds and brake hose retainer clips. Guess which of all these parts gave me trouble?
It's almost like the "Trump tariffs" has made a difference!
From someone who doesn't live in the rust belt its crazy to see how clean the engine bay looks from the top side but what a mess the car looks like from the bottom side. WOW!
ERIC… I was excited to find out you were working on this car as I have a mint 2012 model (6 speed) with 60k miles, Wife & I love it. Being from SC there aren’t ANY HERE! & theres not many videos on them. Thanks for everything you do!
Never ceases to amaze me the damage caused by salting the roads. I live in Oregon and as you all know we get a ton of rain. But, we do not salt our roads in the winter time. The difference between cars here and there in the rust belt is staggering. For instance, I drive a 1999 Yukon daily driver and the only rust on that is on the exhaust. There it would be a unicorn. There are a lot of cars on our roads from the 90's and even 80's that do not have any rust problems. It's hard for me to imagine that a car 10-15 years old can be rusted to the point of being scrapped.
I'd have walked away from that Suzuki as well, If a guy had the time to look for all those parts and source them from scrapyards, that are not in the rustbelt, great. But as a business you would have more hours in dealing with getting the right parts than actually working on the car. How do you invoice those hours?
No, you are NOT being a jerk, just honest. I am done working on rotted out discontinued obsolete equipment and especially vehicles. As you said, one thing leads to another with those types of vehicles. Reminds me of the Yugo. I owned two of them. One was a parts vehicle.
Integrity....it's priceless!!!!
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I have also been down the road chasing obsolete parts. It can be painful to the pocket. Were the car in better condition rust wise, I would even chase a western car wrecker in AZ for the filler and evap mounting hardware. Your decision to give this away is very wise in this case.
Do not think you're a jerk I think you're very honest and telling the customer problems that you have ran into in the past if you can't get the parts correctly then what are they expect you to do hold on to the truck for 5 months trying to find parts there's nothing wrong with saying hey this one I'm not going to touch Love the video
Though I have not noticed it, I do not find it odd that you are breathing. You seem better equipped for the activity than most.
Well stated
I run two old P38's, 20 and 24 years old as daily drivers. You gotta make the same judgement calls about your own 'stuff' sometimes; although I never seem to do.
Great out-tro once again.
Well done Eric, that is a rabbit you just don’t want to go down. When you tell the customer what the script is they will be disappointed, but holio f _ _ k (as AvE would say) your sanity will remain intact. Also your customer now has a realistic perspective on any any other garage telling them it’s an easy fix.
You made the right call. You have a business to run and time is money. Wouldn't be smart to get knee deep in that mess.
I have fixed a few filler necks with exhaust tubing and a bender. Probably have had better luck then the dorman replacement ones
I'd make the same call, Eric. It would be one of those jobs that never ends, never mind the warranty expectatiions.
Did the filler neck on my 05 Suzuki a few years ago. The neck was available Aftermarket, Spectra Premium, though the fit was less than ideal.
I’m not surprised you chose to walk away. Smart choice. I am however shocked you still have a Suzuki dealership in your area. The last one in western Canada closed down almost 10 years ago.
I can't think of a single reason anyone would think you're a jerk for being honest with the customer. I live in Northeast Ohio, another rust belt area. When taking something apart will result in the possibility of it not being able to go back together, it's time to walk away. Those filler necks are next to impossible to find, and forget getting one from a boneyard, they'll be in the same shape.
Eric, A reasonable decision and a fair one for your customer, too. One of the things I appreciate about my 23 year old Mustang is that I can readily find almost ANY repair parts … Ford or aftermarket … and at a sensible price. I love your videos. Happy Holidays to all.
You have explained yourself in the last couple of videos pretty well Eric.
I hope the Armchair Experts aren't giving you too much of a hard time.
As someone who doesn't work on cars and just owns one to bring to a good shop like yours, I have no right to tell you how to do your business.
I always appreciate the insight and even if you have tough calls to make like with this one.
You do your business just fine - otherwise you wouldn't be here. Additionally, you give us this content for free - so nobody has the right to complain about your choices.
I for myself am here for the entertainment, the learning experience and to get my mind to another place while sitting in my chair all day long working with Spreadsheets and Mails.
Keep up your great work and help with the customers. I know that you would have gone to the junkyard if there was a chance of getting parts.
I just changed the filler neck on my 2011 sx4. I'm in eastern Canada and order my parts from Freshwater Motorplex Suzuki in Newfoundland. As long as I can run this car and not buy an over priced new car is my plan. It still runs great. Thanks for the videos!
I swear to God, my neighbor can get parts for his 31 Model A easier and faster than I can get parts for my 92 F150. If I could plow snow with it I’d consider getting one.
The Model A was built before the Government got involved with being 'green'.
I can get just about any part I need for my '68 Beetle but can no longer get some parts for my 2010 Dodge...go figure
@@chrisfreemesser5707 Does your new speedometer come in kilometers per hour? 😅
My sister's 67 may still need one but a new from Mexico part only comes in metric units 😅
@@LadyAnuB You can get a new one from the UK that comes in MPH and there's no shortage of rebuilt OEM speedos available
Now't wrong with being honest with the Client and Yourself and walking away from a problem. 10/10 in my book.
I can relate to you folding the cards , years ago learning electrical work I went on a service call and it was all cloth wiring in the old house and a penny and a nickle behind the screw in fuse . Boss was called and he said to be nice but we would not be doing the job because of liability to just put in the new service. Old wiring if you touch it it falls off , just like the rust on some of the cars from up in the rust belt , Everything would have to be replace in the house.
Had the rubber insulation in a house built in 1941, the US $10 light fixture turned into a house rewiring. The village the house was in let the electrical change the service drop/meter case/breaker panel without rewiring the house before I bought it.
Good to hear you eventually got your sense of smell back.
Eric, if you are truthful with your customer and explain to them what the issues are there is no reason for anyone to be upset. If I was about to walk into a hornet's nest I would sure want someone to tell me before I did.
You always have me on your side sir
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Do what you have to do I’m behind you 100% on your decision love your videos I’m always watching them thanks for making videos for Us!!!!
That’s too bad. Totally understand your position on tracking parts down for it that may or may not fit.
Thanks for the video Eric O. I know what you mean my 97 civic HX rusty still runs but you got to make the call when to quit. Take care of yourself and family ❤️❤️❤️👍
Everything you do to fix cars for people, nobody should complain. As a customer, I would appreciate the honesty. Most would throw parts at it. Then overcharge for it and problem still there. I'm sure they know if there was anyway to fix it you would. You're doing good Mr.O. ignore the haters ....
Gotta do what you gotta do . Your business
Keep it coming Eric O
I was amazed how clean the top of the engine compartment looked compared to underneath. Glad I live in NC. My 02 astro van with 405K on it has no rust underneath. Understand your business decision.
My parents had a 2012 Suzuki Grand Vitara until 2014 because my father had concerns about insufficient parts supply when GM dissolved the partnership, the coup de grâce on his decision to get a different vehicle was the fact that the dealership took just about two years to get a cargo tray shipped from Japan to the US. It wasn't a bad car but GM wanted nothing to do with Suzuki anymore and they built them with even worse quality than a late model Pontiac, in fact the rear passenger doors started to rust underneath the weatherstripping just in just one year alone.
You can only do so much, you're not a miracle worker. I totally understand where you're coming from.
We can’t throw away small plastic bags but we can throw vehicles away for need of a fifty dollar part.
I remember a video that Eric O. did where he went to some trouble to fix an evap situation on a Suzuki (a year or two ago). It makes sense. It's a bummer to have to eventually get rid of "a perfectly good car" but such is life. Makes perfect sense to me, and I'm an expert here on UA-cam.
Love the title “old , rusty and obsolete “, just like me😂
Don't blame you for washing your hands of it Mr O. You could be opening a whole can of worms once you start delving into that rust bucket. Good professional call I'd say!!😎👍
Hard to believe the engine bay is so clean for a salt belt car!
Crazy how different states approach inspections or lack thereof. I wish my state would do safety inspections with some of the sketchy stuff I see barreling down the freeway, but I am glad not to have to deal with the more nitpicky things you guys do in NY.
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Within reason, repairs should be attempted. But when the correct replacement part is no longer available, it just might be the time to put on your walking shoes. Thank you for sharing about your teeth Wednesday. Hopefully it will increase awareness about the importance of good oral health and be a benefit to others, especially the younger folks who sometimes don't listen as well as they should like me... 😟
Just a honest man as always Mr O
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Honestly, I'm surprised you even agreed to look at it---if someone brought me an oddball vehicle like that, I would nicely tell them to try another shop, because I know how hard parts would be to find
I thinks its smart to know when to stop before any more damage is done. The knowledge you hand over to the customer in valuable and they will respect you for it. Thanks for another goid video.
Man, it was nice to see you get down on the ground to set the arms for your lift. Since I bought mine, I've always done this out of an abundance of paranoia. Lol. I see guys at shops just adjust them with their toe, and I wonder if there's something I'm just not getting. It just seems to me that there's too much going on under a car to be that cavalier. Fuel lines, brake lines, plastic skirting, there's so many things to break! But I suppose if it's your intent to drum up more business......... lol
After you see a few vehicles hit the ground your attention to detail when setting the lift is much better.
@@1956fink Saw a video where they dropped a couple of full-size pickups in shops...OUCH!