My other unforgivable is the implication that Murdoch drowned the stokers with the closing of the watertight doors, when in reality they all had escape ladders accessible.
Great job on this. Not the first time hollywood has taken substantial “liberties” to craft a more dramatic story. Locked black gates with screaming kids, Kate and Leo immersed in freezing water, keys dropped etc. Compared to an absence of cabin attendants awakening 3rd class guests. One surely has more “dramatic potential”, compared to the other.
A lot of it was substantiated with witnesses. Mind you most of it was the focsle being cut off by crew members, but this coupled with the non mentioned locked doors at Scotland road and a gate that was also supposed to be there they wouldn’t have known how to get out and their only exit was the focsle, which was blocked.
Steward: "Go to the boats. Go up to the boats. Head. For. The boats." Tommy: "FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, THERE'S TONS OF POTATOES IN THERE! LET US THROUGH SO THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE!"
I remember reading one account a while back about how one of the stewards who was taking groups to the Boat Deck noticed how the doorway to the Second Class Stairs was open but everybody was going past it because it was unfamiliar territory (plus the text concluded everybody was 'behaving' and sticking to their class so not considering using it). Chances are some people got out that way but most just made their way to the well decks (since that would have been a route they'd have used before to get outside, plus on the plans Titanic's Third Class corridors aren't really that mazelike and would have led people towards the stairs heading that way) and got stranded there, as you said.
The gates at the mail office were a bit different from the others, insofar that the gaps in their mesh were a bit wider to allow the passing through of banknotes. They were also known as bill gates for this reason.
Of course. They always do this and they would have done it until it was apparent the titanic was foundering and then they wouldn’t have bothered to open the gates.
That's not true. As a Cunard traveller myself 90% of passengers dine in the Britannia restaurant which includes the vast majority of balcony cabins. You can upgrade to Princess grill or Queens grill which does have a separate restaurant. Cunard is one of the most inclusive ships afloat with over 90% of spaces open to everyone no matter what class of passenger. Many of the other cruise lines have ships within ships where passengers who pay more have their own private areas, deck spaces and bars. Looking at you Royal Caribbean and Celebrity. You clearly have not travelled on Cunard hence the ridiculous statement you have made.
Well call me pretentious but i'am willing to pay more just to not sit with gigantic manner less families who are most of the times just complaining screaming and making allot of racket.
This myth is so prevalent and quite frustrating...the truth, as you said, of them being neglected to death is much more difficult to understand and come to terms with. I cannot understand how entire families, like the Goodwins, lost their lives while there were so many empty seats in lifeboats 😔
It would be cool if there is a new Titanic movie for them to reference the actual gates survivors talked about, those being the ones for the state wells leading out of the Aft Well Deck
It's worth mentioning that, among the socially stratified cultures many third-class passengers came from, independent action to save themselves was not something they would intrinsically turn to in times of crisis. Used to as they were to having fixed authority figures effectively dictating their lives they would have waited for a crewman or officer to tell them where to go. several witnesses reported seeing groups of these passengers waiting in the common areas for direction, some praying, some whiling away the time, but seemingly making no effort to escape. 4th officer Boxhall said in an interview years later that he was certain some of the 3rd class passengers never even left their cabins and, as the stern was pulled under in the final plunge, the smashing inrush of water would have killed them horribly. Even among those who did make the effort, many of them couldn't read directions and signs which would have pointed them to the Deck, and many more couldn't read English even if they could read. It's telling that, among the surviving 3rd-class passengers, the majority were Irish.
Most of the forward 3rd class likely died of the crash and the first hr due to rapid forward flooding and a huge bulkhead that ran most of the ship blocking the forward cargo area from going to the swimming pool and the squash court. These were entitlements that the protection of likely heavily contributed to their deaths and is not mentioned in the video
I wonder if is it possible that some third class passengers could not even know there’s such a thing like a lifeboat. After all they never had seen boatdeck and lots of them didn’t know much about ships and about the fact they’re were carrying lifeboats
Mainly from what I know is that these gates during the night of the sinking of titanic were used to keep the classes down so that first class would be getting off first then second then third, but I’m curious to see what their purpose actually is. Edit : I’m very impressed, I never knew that the gates severed purpose as cargo loading but it does make sense now that I think about it. :)
No they didn’t; only the round bars along the sides of the cargo hatch did, and they wouldn’t have helped considering the crew was instructed to limit their movements
During this time in history, on a ship, like the titanic, every single passenger, no matter what class you were, had access to the main stairwell and up to the open deck. Those gates may have been closed but they never blocked access from your corresponding stairwell to upper decks.
@@wesleyhalbakken6053 On the titanic forward 3rd class access for that stairwell was blocked by a bulkhead for almost all decks except Scotland Road, and that was blocked with gates and scrutiny from the forward steward quarters which didn’t allow passengers. So the only way to reach the upper deck was via the focsle and it was blocked by stewards until the 1st class had been remove by then the entire forward was flooded.
Titanic was technogically very advanced for 1912, yet some stuff wasn't simply around at the time, for example, a PA system for the entire ship. This resulted in stewards going door to door to rouse passangers and tell them to put on life vests. You may consider the way they did in the movie, slamming doors and barking orders at the passangers without elaborating further, rude, but at least they were there. Priority was given to 1st and 2nd class, the fact there were a few people in 3rd to assist them at all was probably the reason some of them survived. So while the ship had an internal telephone system, Marconi wireless and elevators, it didn't had a PA system that reach all of the ship or at least the main halls in which passangers congregated, which could have made a HUGE difference in the survival chances of not just the 3rd Class but everyone else, since it would allow better coordination and awareness of how dire the situation was... Or trick people into thinking everything is okay, in the case of the Costa Concordia. In Titanic's case, I think it wouldn't be like that; officers were professionals, mostly from the Naval Reserve and the high casualities amongst the crew show their dedication, even if they didn't had first-hand experience with a sinking. This extra tool could result in more lives being saved, for example, if Captain Smith issued the "women and children first" order to all officers simultaneously through a PA system, there wouldn't be the case of Murdoch (women and children first, then men if there is room) and Lightoller (no men even if there is room) doing the evacuation according to their personal whims and at least some two hundred or so lives could have been saved, plus the pyschological effect of passangers being reasured by coherent directives by the captain. Furthermore, for all the preocupation White Star Line had on making the lower classes' accomodations more humane and comfortable, it didn't occured to them to make multilingual signs for its immigrant clientele, but that is understandable to a degree since most of them were Irish, thus had English as their main language, and it was expected that someone going to America would at least try to learn a few useful words and phrases, like asking for directions. In the end, to say either "they had as much of a chance as the First and Second classes" and to say "they were just locked down on purpose" is an exaggeration.
I wish it was more common knowledge, but I blame Hollywood. Historians will tell you that every single passenger on ships like the titanic and others had 24/7 access to their main corresponding stairwell. They may have kept third class passengers from getting up to the boat deck from the third class promenade, while 1st and 2nd were boarding boats, but they didn’t lock passengers down in the ship like what is portrayed in movies. At least there’s no record to my knowledge. It’s true that most steerage passengers didn’t know where to go because most of the officers were helping up on the boat deck.
Normally I'd agree, however, this trope seems to have begun with "A Night to Remember", which was 100% British made. I've skimmed through the 1943 German "interpretation", but so long ago, I can't remember if gates figured in the narrative. If not, it was a golden opportunity for Goebbels, missed!
When you say that some stewards did keep third class passengers below decks, presumably they intended on letting them up at some point - is this where the idea comes from that first class would go first in the boats, then it would be their turn? (Something the Irish mother explains to her kids while she's waiting at a locked gate in the 97 film)
Very well explained and I like when misinformation is put to rest, especially by a team who's now a the forefront of research on the great ships. As the guy below me said, yeah the Hollywood really ran with the sensationalism and drama aspect of this when making films about the sinking. This lead to many, if not almost every casual person, thinking that there were these gates everywhere inside the ship that kept various classes apart while the ship was sinking when in reality, there weren't. The gates the passengers mentioned now make perfect sense to me being the gates on the exterior of the ship to keep the various class promenade or other outside decks. Mike Brady with Oceanliner Designs put it in a rather good way saying that it would have been a "faux pas", aka embarrassing or rather large breach of social etiquette in the time period the ship sank and you would have been mocked or made fun of for attempting to force your way forward. Everything was supposed to be done rather orderly, and that is how a lot of the night started, then slowly became more chaotic and desperate as the night went on when people realized the gravity of the situation they were now in. Obviously crew holding them back would have been so people waited their turn as of course 1st Class passengers could potentially be more important persons vs 2nd and 3rd Class and so on. No well planned evacuation plan as well is an incredibly large oversight but makes sense given Titanic also set so many things in motion which people didn't even consider until after her sinking. Understanding this makes everything make sense but as we all know, no matter if much went differently, the amount of people which went down with Titanic probably would have been the same or rather close in reality.
James Cameron endeavored to get so many details about the Titanic correct in his film, yet made up this scenario to villainize the Titanic’s crew and class separation protocols.
Wasn’t much different, but THG isn’t any different: They’re still using the vertical stern theory used in his movie and it’s wrong. Also there were likely gates blocking Scotland road that weren’t mentioned
@@ironhell813 Cameron used aspects of various survivor accounts to tell the story - Charles Lightoller 1936 BBC Radio: "Slowly she reared up on end until she was absolutely perpendicular" Also, keep in mind there's about 50 assertions on how Titanic "really" sank - with new ones coming out every couple of years. However one person believes it really went down, another person can easily debunk.
Wasn’t there one additional gate on F deck stairs separating the alternate second/third cabins on G deck? Could’ve sworn I’ve seen it on the THG plans. (Maybe outdated idk) But considering that area was used as third class that whole voyage it wouldn’t have even been closed anyways. Not to forget the second class aft staircase went down there too and that didn’t have a at gate, just a sign.
There also was a massive gate separating Scotland road so the aft staircase wouldn’t have been accessible. The narrator might have been pretty thorough, but not thorough enough. The narrator admits that crew were instructed to block in the focsle, with the according gates over the Scotland road they only had the foreman’s escape hatch and they wouldn’t have known where it was. Couple that with the stewards blocking access to the Scotland road forward and the master at arms being there doing it and the doors admissions being locked they didn’t have a chance. The fact they had so many gates was indicative of a deliberate separation policy.
@ I don’t think it was an intentional thing to deny access to safety. More of a overwhelming thing where the more minor things were forgotten about, like third class. It was more accidental neglect then intentional mistreatment. I have NEVER seen any sources show a gate in or around Scotland road other then the ones in the dining saloon.
One question I'd like to know the answer to - how many people watching this today have been on a manually operated elevator. And your age. A real one rather than one recreated from the concept.
James Cameron's movie is wrong. Not all the gates were closed and locked, trapping third class down below deck. The gates could be open in an emergency. Also, some gates that were closed may not have been locked and there were probably some gates that were open
I read somwhete that the 3rd class passengers were just there to fill up the empty spaces on the ship. Interesting video. I love Titanic, im a big Titanic nerd. Hi from Toronto Canada 🍁 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@Randomstuffs261 without knowing the direction on the boat deck, which they ended up staying down after both first and second classes passengers went off the ship safety, knowing it was too late for third class passengers only know of their fate.
Excellent choice of topic. Even though some authors (starting with Walter Lord in the 1950s) have done some good work debunking some of the fairytales and fabrications that have been crafted to slant the narrative of the Titanic disaster, UA-cam University will probably eventually prove most effective against the perpetuation of some of this nonsense. This one is a favorite of the smug "virtue signaling" crowd, who love to symbolically condemn the long dead class discriminators and oppressors of the past while it's really just about "look at meeee I'm so much better, yay for me!". Or it is simply crass, commercial exploitation of a false narrative to make more money because it "makes the story better". As if there was any point to criticizing real or imagined "wrong values" that former generations supposedly lived by. Suggestion for another topic along the lines of debunking false or slanted narratives: Bruce Ismay.
Historians say that no passenger even on other ships during that time we’re locked down like that. They may have been kept from getting up to the boat deck from their corresponding promenade, but every single passenger on a ship like the titanic, had 24/7 access to their corresponding stairwell no matter what class you were in.
My other unforgivable is the implication that Murdoch drowned the stokers with the closing of the watertight doors, when in reality they all had escape ladders accessible.
Great job on this. Not the first time hollywood has taken substantial “liberties” to craft a more dramatic story. Locked black gates with screaming kids, Kate and Leo immersed in freezing water, keys dropped etc. Compared to an absence of cabin attendants awakening 3rd class guests. One surely has more “dramatic potential”, compared to the other.
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In the film we do see 3rd class being woken up
A lot of it was substantiated with witnesses.
Mind you most of it was the focsle being cut off by crew members, but this coupled with the non mentioned locked doors at Scotland road and a gate that was also supposed to be there they wouldn’t have known how to get out and their only exit was the focsle, which was blocked.
Thank you for clarifying the gate issue.
He tried to but he missed some
Crazy the more I learn about this ship every year
7:35 Thomas Andrews doing the Lord's work, *protecting the Potato Room*
Like a true Irishman.
Steward: "Go to the boats. Go up to the boats. Head. For. The boats."
Tommy: "FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, THERE'S TONS OF POTATOES IN THERE! LET US THROUGH SO THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE!"
Effect of having been born in Ireland getting the better of him.
Thank you for setting the record straight 😎 history should never be altered from the facts to sensationalize the story ...
No it doesn’t because he didn’t mention a number of gates and locked doors that would have prevented easy exit
I remember reading one account a while back about how one of the stewards who was taking groups to the Boat Deck noticed how the doorway to the Second Class Stairs was open but everybody was going past it because it was unfamiliar territory (plus the text concluded everybody was 'behaving' and sticking to their class so not considering using it). Chances are some people got out that way but most just made their way to the well decks (since that would have been a route they'd have used before to get outside, plus on the plans Titanic's Third Class corridors aren't really that mazelike and would have led people towards the stairs heading that way) and got stranded there, as you said.
The gates at the mail office were a bit different from the others, insofar that the gaps in their mesh were a bit wider to allow the passing through of banknotes. They were also known as bill gates for this reason.
The CEO of Microsoft's name lol
Thank you so much for explaining in detail the placement of gates on the Olympic class liners . Have a lovely christmas and VERY well done .
Thanks for telling me where the ceo got his name from when he put his name into this reality…
I’ll be sure to block it next time
thank you very much for this very interesting video! 😁
Yes loved this subject.
The countdown to the forecastle being accessible in Demo 401 begins here:
Very interesting
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Amazing Video! Thank you for the final answer, so this misunderstanding get solved.
Cunard still using class separation. Balcony passengers will never dine with people with inside cabins.
Of course. They always do this and they would have done it until it was apparent the titanic was foundering and then they wouldn’t have bothered to open the gates.
Not if they're Britannia balconies.
Wow, such unfairness, must protest.
That's not true. As a Cunard traveller myself 90% of passengers dine in the Britannia restaurant which includes the vast majority of balcony cabins. You can upgrade to Princess grill or Queens grill which does have a separate restaurant. Cunard is one of the most inclusive ships afloat with over 90% of spaces open to everyone no matter what class of passenger. Many of the other cruise lines have ships within ships where passengers who pay more have their own private areas, deck spaces and bars. Looking at you Royal Caribbean and Celebrity. You clearly have not travelled on Cunard hence the ridiculous statement you have made.
Well call me pretentious but i'am willing to pay more just to not sit with gigantic manner less families who are most of the times just complaining screaming and making allot of racket.
This myth is so prevalent and quite frustrating...the truth, as you said, of them being neglected to death is much more difficult to understand and come to terms with. I cannot understand how entire families, like the Goodwins, lost their lives while there were so many empty seats in lifeboats 😔
It would be cool if there is a new Titanic movie for them to reference the actual gates survivors talked about, those being the ones for the state wells leading out of the Aft Well Deck
It's worth mentioning that, among the socially stratified cultures many third-class passengers came from, independent action to save themselves was not something they would intrinsically turn to in times of crisis. Used to as they were to having fixed authority figures effectively dictating their lives they would have waited for a crewman or officer to tell them where to go. several witnesses reported seeing groups of these passengers waiting in the common areas for direction, some praying, some whiling away the time, but seemingly making no effort to escape. 4th officer Boxhall said in an interview years later that he was certain some of the 3rd class passengers never even left their cabins and, as the stern was pulled under in the final plunge, the smashing inrush of water would have killed them horribly.
Even among those who did make the effort, many of them couldn't read directions and signs which would have pointed them to the Deck, and many more couldn't read English even if they could read. It's telling that, among the surviving 3rd-class passengers, the majority were Irish.
Most of the forward 3rd class likely died of the crash and the first hr due to rapid forward flooding and a huge bulkhead that ran most of the ship blocking the forward cargo area from going to the swimming pool and the squash court.
These were entitlements that the protection of likely heavily contributed to their deaths and is not mentioned in the video
I wonder if is it possible that some third class passengers could not even know there’s such a thing like a lifeboat. After all they never had seen boatdeck and lots of them didn’t know much about ships and about the fact they’re were carrying lifeboats
Thats a very unfortunate angle for that sign @9:40
Mainly from what I know is that these gates during the night of the sinking of titanic were used to keep the classes down so that first class would be getting off first then second then third, but I’m curious to see what their purpose actually is.
Edit : I’m very impressed, I never knew that the gates severed purpose as cargo loading but it does make sense now that I think about it. :)
No they didn’t; only the round bars along the sides of the cargo hatch did, and they wouldn’t have helped considering the crew was instructed to limit their movements
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I’m not stating a fact dude, I’m stating what I know about the gates that’s it.
I even edited it so ppl wouldn’t get confused- 😭 🙏
During this time in history, on a ship, like the titanic, every single passenger, no matter what class you were, had access to the main stairwell and up to the open deck. Those gates may have been closed but they never blocked access from your corresponding stairwell to upper decks.
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On the titanic forward 3rd class access for that stairwell was blocked by a bulkhead for almost all decks except Scotland Road, and that was blocked with gates and scrutiny from the forward steward quarters which didn’t allow passengers.
So the only way to reach the upper deck was via the focsle and it was blocked by stewards until the 1st class had been remove by then the entire forward was flooded.
Unfortunately, Titanic did not have a proper emergency alarm system like Britannic did.
Titanic was technogically very advanced for 1912, yet some stuff wasn't simply around at the time, for example, a PA system for the entire ship. This resulted in stewards going door to door to rouse passangers and tell them to put on life vests. You may consider the way they did in the movie, slamming doors and barking orders at the passangers without elaborating further, rude, but at least they were there. Priority was given to 1st and 2nd class, the fact there were a few people in 3rd to assist them at all was probably the reason some of them survived. So while the ship had an internal telephone system, Marconi wireless and elevators, it didn't had a PA system that reach all of the ship or at least the main halls in which passangers congregated, which could have made a HUGE difference in the survival chances of not just the 3rd Class but everyone else, since it would allow better coordination and awareness of how dire the situation was... Or trick people into thinking everything is okay, in the case of the Costa Concordia. In Titanic's case, I think it wouldn't be like that; officers were professionals, mostly from the Naval Reserve and the high casualities amongst the crew show their dedication, even if they didn't had first-hand experience with a sinking. This extra tool could result in more lives being saved, for example, if Captain Smith issued the "women and children first" order to all officers simultaneously through a PA system, there wouldn't be the case of Murdoch (women and children first, then men if there is room) and Lightoller (no men even if there is room) doing the evacuation according to their personal whims and at least some two hundred or so lives could have been saved, plus the pyschological effect of passangers being reasured by coherent directives by the captain. Furthermore, for all the preocupation White Star Line had on making the lower classes' accomodations more humane and comfortable, it didn't occured to them to make multilingual signs for its immigrant clientele, but that is understandable to a degree since most of them were Irish, thus had English as their main language, and it was expected that someone going to America would at least try to learn a few useful words and phrases, like asking for directions. In the end, to say either "they had as much of a chance as the First and Second classes" and to say "they were just locked down on purpose" is an exaggeration.
I wish it was more common knowledge, but I blame Hollywood. Historians will tell you that every single passenger on ships like the titanic and others had 24/7 access to their main corresponding stairwell. They may have kept third class passengers from getting up to the boat deck from the third class promenade, while 1st and 2nd were boarding boats, but they didn’t lock passengers down in the ship like what is portrayed in movies. At least there’s no record to my knowledge. It’s true that most steerage passengers didn’t know where to go because most of the officers were helping up on the boat deck.
Normally I'd agree, however, this trope seems to have begun with "A Night to Remember", which was 100% British made. I've skimmed through the 1943 German "interpretation", but so long ago, I can't remember if gates figured in the narrative. If not, it was a golden opportunity for Goebbels, missed!
When you say that some stewards did keep third class passengers below decks, presumably they intended on letting them up at some point - is this where the idea comes from that first class would go first in the boats, then it would be their turn? (Something the Irish mother explains to her kids while she's waiting at a locked gate in the 97 film)
Another great video. Any update on the alpha??
Very well explained and I like when misinformation is put to rest, especially by a team who's now a the forefront of research on the great ships. As the guy below me said, yeah the Hollywood really ran with the sensationalism and drama aspect of this when making films about the sinking. This lead to many, if not almost every casual person, thinking that there were these gates everywhere inside the ship that kept various classes apart while the ship was sinking when in reality, there weren't. The gates the passengers mentioned now make perfect sense to me being the gates on the exterior of the ship to keep the various class promenade or other outside decks. Mike Brady with Oceanliner Designs put it in a rather good way saying that it would have been a "faux pas", aka embarrassing or rather large breach of social etiquette in the time period the ship sank and you would have been mocked or made fun of for attempting to force your way forward. Everything was supposed to be done rather orderly, and that is how a lot of the night started, then slowly became more chaotic and desperate as the night went on when people realized the gravity of the situation they were now in. Obviously crew holding them back would have been so people waited their turn as of course 1st Class passengers could potentially be more important persons vs 2nd and 3rd Class and so on. No well planned evacuation plan as well is an incredibly large oversight but makes sense given Titanic also set so many things in motion which people didn't even consider until after her sinking. Understanding this makes everything make sense but as we all know, no matter if much went differently, the amount of people which went down with Titanic probably would have been the same or rather close in reality.
James Cameron endeavored to get so many details about the Titanic correct in his film, yet made up this scenario to villainize the Titanic’s crew and class separation protocols.
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James Cameron wanted some fiction on top of facts. The gates were used to dramatize the movie.
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Wasn’t much different, but THG isn’t any different:
They’re still using the vertical stern theory used in his movie and it’s wrong.
Also there were likely gates blocking Scotland road that weren’t mentioned
@@ironhell813 Cameron used aspects of various survivor accounts to tell the story - Charles Lightoller 1936 BBC Radio: "Slowly she reared up on end until she was absolutely perpendicular"
Also, keep in mind there's about 50 assertions on how Titanic "really" sank - with new ones coming out every couple of years. However one person believes it really went down, another person can easily debunk.
If a third class passenger didn't speak English, they couldn't ask for help to get up to the boat deck and were less likely to survive the sinking
Wasn’t there one additional gate on F deck stairs separating the alternate second/third cabins on G deck? Could’ve sworn I’ve seen it on the THG plans. (Maybe outdated idk)
But considering that area was used as third class that whole voyage it wouldn’t have even been closed anyways. Not to forget the second class aft staircase went down there too and that didn’t have a at gate, just a sign.
There also was a massive gate separating Scotland road so the aft staircase wouldn’t have been accessible.
The narrator might have been pretty thorough, but not thorough enough.
The narrator admits that crew were instructed to block in the focsle, with the according gates over the Scotland road they only had the foreman’s escape hatch and they wouldn’t have known where it was.
Couple that with the stewards blocking access to the Scotland road forward and the master at arms being there doing it and the doors admissions being locked they didn’t have a chance.
The fact they had so many gates was indicative of a deliberate separation policy.
@ I don’t think it was an intentional thing to deny access to safety. More of a overwhelming thing where the more minor things were forgotten about, like third class. It was more accidental neglect then intentional mistreatment.
I have NEVER seen any sources show a gate in or around Scotland road other then the ones in the dining saloon.
One question I'd like to know the answer to - how many people watching this today have been on a manually operated elevator. And your age. A real one rather than one recreated from the concept.
Ah, yes, the *true* villain of the disaster has finally been revealed: Doors... and lack of hindsight.
He didn’t mention many but the doors on Scotland road being locked would have prevented the use of the aft stairs.
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James Cameron's movie is wrong. Not all the gates were closed and locked, trapping third class down below deck. The gates could be open in an emergency. Also, some gates that were closed may not have been locked and there were probably some gates that were open
It wasn’t much wrong: most crew believed until an hr after the hit that the ship was fine and wouldn’t have unlocked them because it was midnight
Try watching the movie again - not *all* gates are locked.
I wish a whole THG team and viewers a Merry Christmas and a happy new year...
To be honest God had to prove he can sink the Titanic.
I read somwhete that the 3rd class passengers were just there to fill up the empty spaces on the ship. Interesting video. I love Titanic, im a big Titanic nerd. Hi from Toronto Canada 🍁 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Yes especially the forward cargo decks which were largely where most of the deaths occurred
No wonder third class passengers ended up dead in the bottom of the area for third class passengers only.
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@Randomstuffs261 without knowing the direction on the boat deck, which they ended up staying down after both first and second classes passengers went off the ship safety, knowing it was too late for third class passengers only know of their fate.
Considering that none of the bodies has ever been found, the location of the third class bodies can be nothing but a supposition.
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was 3rd class passengers being treated like Prison inmates, its not like they comitted any crimes.
Excellent choice of topic. Even though some authors (starting with Walter Lord in the 1950s) have done some good work debunking some of the fairytales and fabrications that have been crafted to slant the narrative of the Titanic disaster, UA-cam University will probably eventually prove most effective against the perpetuation of some of this nonsense. This one is a favorite of the smug "virtue signaling" crowd, who love to symbolically condemn the long dead class discriminators and oppressors of the past while it's really just about "look at meeee I'm so much better, yay for me!". Or it is simply crass, commercial exploitation of a false narrative to make more money because it "makes the story better". As if there was any point to criticizing real or imagined "wrong values" that former generations supposedly lived by.
Suggestion for another topic along the lines of debunking false or slanted narratives: Bruce Ismay.
Shame on Walter Lord - Shame on A Night to Remember - Mr. Lord, his book, and the film should have never put this into the public's psyche!
You forgot to mention the gates that kept the 3rd class from getting to the upper decks like in the 1997 Titanic movie Jack and Rose.
Historians say that no passenger even on other ships during that time we’re locked down like that. They may have been kept from getting up to the boat deck from their corresponding promenade, but every single passenger on a ship like the titanic, had 24/7 access to their corresponding stairwell no matter what class you were in.