8 Game Easter Eggs That Took YEARS To Find (Part 3)

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @FunWithGuru
    @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +815

    I haven't made a normal easter egg video in a while and so I wanted to use this as a way to get back into the groove of things. I'll be honest, editing this was kind of a mess and I had trouble figuring out if I even liked the video. Even now, I'm not 100% confident in it, but I know I can be hard on myself. I really hope you guys enjoy it still! Thanks for watching!

    • @snorfix
      @snorfix 2 роки тому +13

      Just doing your vids, in your style of editing is super calming no matter what the content actually is. Thanks for doing what you do best!

    • @OwNid
      @OwNid 2 роки тому +3

      It's amazing, the quality and the editing is always top notch, don't be too hard on your splendid work

    • @AgustinRiestra
      @AgustinRiestra 2 роки тому +3

      Lately you have been making other types of content that you were not used to but, even so, I consider that you have not lost any of the quality and imprint that characterizes you. I still enjoy your channel as much as the time I discovered in a video that by shooting a circle on a billboard with a rifle on mirrors edge you could see a giant rat running through the streets

    • @2014-Niko
      @2014-Niko 2 роки тому

      waltre whit

    • @brixn2302
      @brixn2302 2 роки тому

      We freaking love you! No matter what
      Saludos from Argentina!

  • @EbbeAHT
    @EbbeAHT 2 роки тому +360

    A less flashy discovery was also made in Spyro: A Hero's Tail recently, 17 years after its release. A cheat code can be inputted at the title screen to unlock all the extras. It was apparently meant to be revealed through a McDonald's promotion but it was never mentioned anywhere, and we only discovered it by looking through the game's code.

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +135

      I actually think I saw your video on that when I was researching for this video. Very cool!

    • @EbbeAHT
      @EbbeAHT 2 роки тому +55

      @@FunWithGuru I'm very honored! Your videos are incredible, thanks for all the hard work you do!

  • @danmcdonald8285
    @danmcdonald8285 2 роки тому +758

    Ah yes! The historic crab battles of feudal Japan. What a time to be alive.

  • @lonewolffang
    @lonewolffang 2 роки тому +1183

    The Splatoon t-shirt got me. Somebody in Nintendo proved to me once again that they can sometimes just insert something cheeky in their games.

    • @tiddy671
      @tiddy671 2 роки тому +5

      so cheeky

    • @MegamanXfan21xx
      @MegamanXfan21xx 2 роки тому

      There's also something filthy in Animal Crossing. Certain universal item codes contain the phrase "Peach Gave Mario a nice blowjob". Giving Nook the code:
      peachgavemario
      pniceuhblowjob
      ...will get you a free packet of Essay Paper. Since this is in an official Nintendo product, I'm taking this as canon. Because when some guy goes through all sorts of life-threatening danger and does all these heroics, he deserves more than a peck on the cheek or a slice of cake.

    • @mrxnacho7925
      @mrxnacho7925 2 роки тому +3

      Or a fan o Smg4

    • @poodoodrilldick7757
      @poodoodrilldick7757 2 роки тому +16

      Personally I think its a cheeky but clever detail. Since jelfonzo only just learned how to speak and is trying to be cool, he prolly doesn't even know what his shirt says. Kinda like how clothes with english words sold in other countries might have words that people don't know what it says but think it sounds cool.

    • @spimbles
      @spimbles 2 роки тому +13

      @@mrxnacho7925 i hate to break it to ya and shatter your dreams like this, kid, but nobody over the mental age of 12 watches SMG4. i can say this with full confidence as someone who was once a young kid. im not saying anything bad about SMG4 or his audience but be real w yourself lol nintendo employees dont watch your favorite youtuber just because they use nintendo characters in their videos lmfao

  • @Hempus420
    @Hempus420 2 роки тому +376

    The mechanical shark fin from Mad Max was also in Just Cause 2 in a small lake. You could hook yourself to the side of it too using the grappling hook! The models looks near identical

    • @ZuZu_
      @ZuZu_ 2 роки тому +13

      I was looking for this comment

    • @Buddy_Pall
      @Buddy_Pall 2 роки тому +8

      its a running joke in avalanche studios i think

    • @MartinBaron69
      @MartinBaron69 2 роки тому

      Omg I remember doing this lmao

  • @nonungus
    @nonungus 2 роки тому +1201

    I like when devs sneak in a message to their families and stuff, it's so wholesome... except when it's directed to the player.

    • @SamAx.
      @SamAx. 2 роки тому +5

      💀

    • @danishhakimi4933
      @danishhakimi4933 2 роки тому +30

      Does the f-bomb message in Splatoon count as wholesome?

    • @luketime
      @luketime 2 роки тому +55

      @@danishhakimi4933 *Yes*

    • @edonai5416
      @edonai5416 2 роки тому +2

      @@danishhakimi4933 Especially that

    • @pijoz3328
      @pijoz3328 2 роки тому

      @@danishhakimi4933 yes

  • @ottergauze
    @ottergauze 2 роки тому +210

    The footsteps matching the song tempo at 6:03 was a nice touch. Your videos are honestly full of little details i adore so much

  • @c-bass2777
    @c-bass2777 2 роки тому +170

    That song transition in silent hill where Pyramid heads footsteps matched up was so clean

  • @SwaggyG_2102
    @SwaggyG_2102 2 роки тому +178

    Imagine playing Splatoon and going to the clothes shop, only to be sneak-dissed by the developers.

  • @MartialGlobe
    @MartialGlobe 2 роки тому +68

    "so there is this giant enemy crab" has to be the most iconically ironic quote I've ever heard

  • @Umbrellie_
    @Umbrellie_ 2 роки тому +134

    I distinctly remember finding an IRL photo by pure accident in that same Spiderman game when I was a kid. I don't know for sure if it's the same one or if there's multiple easter eggs like that, but if it is that's crazy. If only child me had known.

    • @inedholp1565
      @inedholp1565 2 роки тому +84

      kinda makes you wonder how many other easter eggs people find accidentally but shrug it off and don't think much of it

    • @thewizardofroz
      @thewizardofroz 2 роки тому +36

      Haha when I saw that part of the vid I actually jumped forward in my seat and pointed! I never knew that was an "undiscovered" easter egg! Kid me didn't even realize it was the devs either when I found it all those years ago!

    • @joshuacollum5728
      @joshuacollum5728 2 роки тому +7

      @@thewizardofroz I know for a fact I discovered that too when I was a kid. It was the level when you are swinging away from the Green Goblin if I remember right. Found it by mistake. But man, didn't know that it was considered undiscovered until this point.

    • @1114cole
      @1114cole 2 роки тому +2

      I'm glad other people found this as kids, I was gonna feel bad about having gotten it before because it invalidates the whole 21 years thing.

    • @wuwuvids2929
      @wuwuvids2929 2 роки тому +3

      Same here, plus we only had dial up internet speeds back in the day and im sure nobody’s would have cared to hear what a 6yr old back in the early 2000’s said about a picture in a game lol

  • @bowserknight
    @bowserknight 2 роки тому +94

    Aww how sweet of Nintendo to include their current business philosophy on the T-Shirt of that Splatoon character!

  • @SBguitarcovers
    @SBguitarcovers 2 роки тому +23

    The ending of the video was perfect. What a great kind message to hide in your game for your family. Really loved this one Guru!

  • @_HypeR_7
    @_HypeR_7 2 роки тому +57

    Love the way you edit these videos. They're always so satisfying!

  • @thepopo592
    @thepopo592 2 роки тому +4

    damn the space quest one actually made me tear up. Poor guy was probably working all day and missed his family.

  • @abidingshadow2
    @abidingshadow2 2 роки тому +16

    Your editing style is so clean and concise. These videos continue to be some of my favorites when they show up in my feed

  • @mintjuliper9689
    @mintjuliper9689 2 роки тому +4

    wow.. this was a wonderfully edited movie. the choice of ambience and music selection towards the end was a chefs kiss 🤌🏾

  • @kaanaltntas3966
    @kaanaltntas3966 2 роки тому +6

    This video of your got me good, man. Silent Hill 2 and Spider-Man were childhood memories of mine. I NEVER expected to see such wholesome easter eggs about them. Thank you!

  • @voidflames5257
    @voidflames5257 2 роки тому +7

    When you realise that as a child you found an easter egg but didn't knew what it is until there is a video saying
    "Easter eggs found after years"
    I found that Spiderman one but didn't care much about it with my child brain like I was 7 or 10
    But this just shows how important these easter eggs are to save memories or to show a friendly gesture to other games and stuff

  • @nxnson
    @nxnson 2 роки тому +2

    It's videos like this that rekindle my appreciation for video games. Behind all the fancy mechanics, graphic and marketing, its still just artists putting their heart and soul into their craft to bring us joy.

  • @MafiaCow01
    @MafiaCow01 2 роки тому +5

    Love your videos man. All the other easter egg channels I see insist on adding spoken commentary to every clip, so it's really refreshing seeing you break the trend.

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +4

      I probably hurt my channel's growth by not switching to commentary, but I know a lot of people like a break from that so I'm glad people still appreciate these kinds of videos!

  • @epicgamer1934
    @epicgamer1934 2 роки тому +47

    The worst part of guru videos is when ends :(

  • @dafresnokid
    @dafresnokid 2 роки тому +32

    Man. . . Still love your content. Keep it up, I believe I've been subscribed for at least 3 years now. Cheers mate, you're doing great!

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +7

      Thanks for sticking around! 😊

  • @im_Dafox
    @im_Dafox 2 роки тому +3

    The fact that the last one took more time to be found that I've been around on this weird ball floating in space, hits in a weird way

  • @_JC_21
    @_JC_21 2 роки тому +1

    5:51 you really changed up the vibe to this video from here on out.
    I love it.

  • @bobnspace
    @bobnspace Рік тому +1

    Imagine how many Easter Eggs are out there that haven't been discovered yet

  • @jamesyoung16
    @jamesyoung16 2 роки тому +1

    The Spider-Man game one really brought back some good memories thank you

  • @potgnom
    @potgnom 2 роки тому +2

    The message to his wife and his son was really wholesome, thanks for another great video.

  • @themanok178
    @themanok178 2 роки тому +46

    this man is now one of my favourite content creators

    • @PuchingD
      @PuchingD 2 роки тому +7

      it has been mine since 2014

    • @themanok178
      @themanok178 2 роки тому +3

      @@PuchingD i have been watching his videos like 4 years ago
      and i enjoy re watching them every now and then

  • @BionicKraken
    @BionicKraken 2 роки тому +3

    So true story me and a friend found that Spiderman photo when the game first came out because we played it nonstop as kids. There's so many easter eggs out there that have probably been found before but no one talked about it outside of close friends. I can think of a couple off the top of my head I have found messing around that I haven't seen anyone talk about before. I still remember how to activate the directors commentary mode for The Suffering. I've always wondered if I was the only person to ever find that because I have never seen anyone talk about it. I'm about to do some youtube searches out of curiosity.

    • @idonthaveanose
      @idonthaveanose 2 роки тому

      I also remember finding the Spider-Man Easter egg!

  • @nicobay4512
    @nicobay4512 2 роки тому +3

    No stupid or anoying comment , just stray fact and video .
    Perfect !

  • @TheliftingZealot
    @TheliftingZealot 2 роки тому +4

    Your channel always bring me back to my childhood, thank you for always posting guru

  • @JavierBonilla78
    @JavierBonilla78 2 роки тому +14

    I saw that pic in Spider-Man 2000, around 2007 or maybe 2008, when I played the game on PC but I didn't give it much importance, I didn't know that it was in fact an Easter 🥚.

  • @statelyelms
    @statelyelms 2 роки тому +3

    I really like that splatoon one. Nobody young enough to be affected by it would be able to decypher it, so it's just a nice cheeky hidden joke

  • @nuyabuisness7526
    @nuyabuisness7526 2 роки тому +1

    that splatoon shirt was 100% some artist being told to make a bunch of designs by a deadline and getting some petty revenge on his bosses.

  • @bigcgaming9042
    @bigcgaming9042 2 роки тому +4

    6:02 That tempo Pyramid Head is doing was beautiful 👌🏻

  • @philyoutuber7270
    @philyoutuber7270 2 роки тому +2

    Silent Hill 2 mini map blows my mind!

  • @henrikmonkee
    @henrikmonkee 2 роки тому +14

    I remember finding the easter egg in spiderman by accident, i was so confused why there were living a huge family in that tiny room.

    • @no-name4u
      @no-name4u 2 роки тому +1

      Same here! I thought it was just an odd backdrop for a small room

    • @DubstepRF
      @DubstepRF 2 роки тому

      glad it wasnt just me i found it when i was a kid its a obviously different looking door to others in the level and i assume alot of people found it

  • @CasasPlays
    @CasasPlays 2 роки тому +6

    Nail it every time Guru. Amazing work and editing as always.

  • @atlas7032
    @atlas7032 2 роки тому +5

    This video makes me wonder if there is still some hidden easter eggs in guru's older videos

  • @sunmachine2907
    @sunmachine2907 2 роки тому +1

    It’s so refreshing having no annoying UA-camr narrate these!!! Amazing

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you! I probably hurt my channel's growth by not commentating, but I'm glad people still like these kinds of videos.

  • @kingmaxlol64
    @kingmaxlol64 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for still uploading content. I always watch your videos when I can't sleep. They have something peaceful in it..

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому

      I try to make my videos as relaxing as possible, so that means a lot to me! Thanks!

  • @UhhKencel
    @UhhKencel 2 роки тому

    bruh yk what’s crazy i’ve been subscribed to u ever since i first started watching youtube i remember back when u used to upload cod glitch videos and shit , and just seeing u change ur profile pic every few years but it’s like ur the only youtuber from that early youtube era that still kept uploading and growing and just kept perfecting ur craft a lot youtubers from back then channels are dead now or just retired but i like how ur still here so keep it up guru

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому

      Whoa! Thanks for sticking around so long! 😊

  • @chonkehh7832
    @chonkehh7832 2 роки тому

    Your content has been pleasing my tiny brain since your first Easter egg vid, me and my bro used to watch as soon as you uploaded. He's too busy playing league and workin to pay attention to UA-cam now a days. I'm glad your still here giving us simple yet satisfying and interesting vids. Keep up the good work!

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much for sticking around! 😊

  • @Overqualification
    @Overqualification 2 роки тому +1

    I appreciate that you don’t put ads at the start of videos.

  • @skullhead5219
    @skullhead5219 2 роки тому +7

    The first one was a surprise 😳

  • @Uhhhkiya
    @Uhhhkiya 2 роки тому +1

    Watching this video and reading the comments made me realize I've been subscribed to you and watching your videos regularly for over 10 years, thank you for your content ❤

  • @keyblademastersora9369
    @keyblademastersora9369 2 роки тому +1

    I knew of the crab Easter egg in size matters for years now I might be one of the first people to see it

  • @sonicusr
    @sonicusr 2 роки тому

    That Brutal Legend easter egg, I definitely saw that pic when I played it. I was trying to get 1,000 gamerscore and was looking for all the collectibles or whatever they were, spent hours looking for the last one and to this day never found it, but I did see that image of the girl on my search.

  • @corvusabaddon
    @corvusabaddon 2 роки тому +1

    Love your song choice at the end

  • @iamdingus
    @iamdingus 2 роки тому +1

    That Spider-Man Easter egg was undocumented for 21 years?
    I found it as a kid and didn’t think much of it because it’s not really hidden at all. Was a blast from the past seeing it again though.

  • @davearce4711
    @davearce4711 2 роки тому +1

    God bless you man, you give context to everything. Thanks.

  • @Ultra-mamon
    @Ultra-mamon 2 роки тому

    I was speechless once I saw the one from Spiderman. I played the game when I was a kid and as I used to explore the levels by swinging through the buldings and I used to go to that one and look at the photo of the crew/devs. I wasn't aware it was not known.

  • @pumpkinmcblunkin3650
    @pumpkinmcblunkin3650 2 роки тому

    Playing hit n run all the time as a kid all the music is ingrained in my head so seeing that homer dancing to the final missions music was very cool

  • @mlrestrepo7093
    @mlrestrepo7093 2 роки тому +6

    The music you use is always so calm and relaxing. Where do you find these songs??

    • @FunWithGuru
      @FunWithGuru  2 роки тому +19

      Chillhop Music puts out a lot of great stuff. I mainly find it by just following artists like Sleepy Fish.

  • @triledink
    @triledink 2 роки тому +1

    I have played that dream sequence in ratchet and clank size matters many times and never seen that easter egg.

  • @kalshot4315
    @kalshot4315 2 роки тому

    The splatoon t shirt caught me by surprise. I've never played the game before but at first I thought it said "Go cry" I think that makes it better

  • @CJ_8911
    @CJ_8911 2 роки тому +2

    Good to know that Guru still remember his password

  • @BunnyTwist
    @BunnyTwist 2 роки тому

    I wonder how many small little details like this have went completely unnoticed across every game released ever

  • @isaacsrandomvideos667
    @isaacsrandomvideos667 2 роки тому

    2:04 that’s an engine block with pistons that’s cool.

  • @OwGash
    @OwGash 2 роки тому +2

    Tbf, mad max isnt about ''took 4 years to find, more like ''4 years for someone to report it''. Which is with a LOT of SP games

  • @NightShade1218
    @NightShade1218 2 роки тому +1

    Man, I 100% Brutal Legend at least three times and I never once noticed that picture.

  • @deadinside26
    @deadinside26 Місяць тому

    can you make part 4? 2 years since last one is a must dude

  • @thatscrazyyyyyy
    @thatscrazyyyyyy 2 роки тому +1

    love the little video easter egg @6:47 !

  • @idoblenderstuffs
    @idoblenderstuffs 2 роки тому +1

    omg i remember playing that spiderman game on my dads pc lol

  • @Private_Moment
    @Private_Moment 2 роки тому +1

    I love these type of videos. Hopefully there are more Easter eggs to be found so you can make another video.

  • @bucktheduckk
    @bucktheduckk 2 роки тому +1

    Always a good time when guru posts

  • @miju4194
    @miju4194 2 роки тому

    For all Easter Eggs hunter, we respect all of you 👏

  • @PantherAlt
    @PantherAlt 2 роки тому +1

    Perfect As always with the Sleepy fish Music!

  • @nadrewod999
    @nadrewod999 2 роки тому

    The Mad Max shark fin appears to be the same "shark fin mounted on an underwater turbine engine" from the Just Cause easter egg(s), with the only possible change being the material of the fin.

  • @silverchaired
    @silverchaired 2 роки тому

    its so exciting to see anything new related to the simpsons hit and run

  • @juanq3676
    @juanq3676 2 роки тому +1

    This video started with a vulgar message then ended with a wholesome one. Love it ❤️

  • @shadowofthenight7316
    @shadowofthenight7316 2 роки тому +1

    lol the ending. good job guru

  • @NotoriousPvP1
    @NotoriousPvP1 2 роки тому +1

    Finnaly a New Quality video ty m8 sm

  • @johnniewalker7499
    @johnniewalker7499 2 роки тому

    I see Mr.Guru you made a 2nd channel. I‘m exited for the videos that may come from that channel. subscribed of course instantly

  • @mr.plastichat3406
    @mr.plastichat3406 2 роки тому +59

    I'm a simple man. I see Simpsons Hit and Run, so I click.

  • @LordDecox2
    @LordDecox2 2 роки тому +2

    good job, i love ur channel

  • @ronn201
    @ronn201 2 роки тому

    I don't think the Silent Hill 2 one was an Easter Egg, but likely a dev debugging tool that they forgot to disable after getting that secret ending.
    Regardless, good vid! I'm always impressed with your production quality!

  • @LobsterPuncher
    @LobsterPuncher 2 роки тому +3

    It's sad that people are trying to remove the giant enemy crabs and their social impact from Japanese history books.

  • @sythenx3928
    @sythenx3928 2 роки тому

    It's been a while since the last easter egg upload but just like all the rest of yours, always a pleasure to see :)

  • @BlitzAttacker
    @BlitzAttacker 2 роки тому

    Whoa, my brother and i found that picture in brutal legend years ago, had a "oh, weird" moment, then went on with our lives. Never would have guessed to look on the internet, i always assume all the easter eggs are found and theres really nothing new. Really wish we posted something at the time but we were pretty young. Just looking for the various collectables we'd missed and were shoving the character in any gaps we could find.

  • @Prof.Pwnalot
    @Prof.Pwnalot 2 роки тому +1

    They used to have consoles in Pubs / restraunts for the kids back in the 90 and 2000s.
    Can guarantee that the simpsons easter egg has been done many times over.
    I recall tony hawks pro skater too, all the kids knew what the go was. You'd hit resume on the controller and you;d be riding in a different outfit / in the secret parking lot area.
    Maybe us Aussies went harder haha.

    • @richardchicken923
      @richardchicken923 2 роки тому

      If this is true, why was it never documented?

    • @Prof.Pwnalot
      @Prof.Pwnalot 2 роки тому

      @@richardchicken923 Because back in those days, there was no game recording software for starters.
      And secondly, people wern't obsessed with things the way they are now, people can't go more than a minute without sharing their thoughts / pictures / life. Back then, we didn't give a fuck about all that, we lived in the present.

    • @Prof.Pwnalot
      @Prof.Pwnalot 2 роки тому

      @@richardchicken923 And it was mostly word of mouth.
      No one used the internet to look up game info. I mean they did, but why, when there were game guides being sold on release of a game title, and books with thousands of codes in them.
      Guy didn't dig deep enough, can assure you many people knew about all this.
      Let alone the gameshark era of reading game files and modding them.
      So even back then, not much hiding.

  • @NoOne-vy1jr
    @NoOne-vy1jr 2 роки тому +1

    Wake up babe, new FunWithGuru vid!

  • @kepperbeegames
    @kepperbeegames 2 роки тому

    I made a game for my wife, she loves platforming games and is so happy that she got to play as herself in one. I put an easter egg in the game but until now, she hasn't found it. The game is still on her laptop lol.

  • @DanteMayCryy
    @DanteMayCryy 2 роки тому

    on a beautiful sunday thx guru king

  • @nunuwald4640
    @nunuwald4640 2 роки тому

    I actually found the ratchet and clank easter egg when i played it as a child, but i didnt know it was a reference to something lol😂

  • @disableddragonborn
    @disableddragonborn 2 роки тому

    If that Splatoon shirt one is confirmed, I love it.🤣

  • @bniy
    @bniy 2 роки тому

    Enjoyed the video, really nice showcase of games too!

  • @BilbusBaggins
    @BilbusBaggins 2 роки тому

    One of the top things that make me want to be a game developer is so i can put in some crazy easter eggs

  • @tigerman412
    @tigerman412 2 роки тому

    i got my first job and this is a perfect video to end the day with

  • @DukeNuggets69
    @DukeNuggets69 2 роки тому +1

    I love your videos they are super relaxing

  • @bobvoladorTutorialesyGamePlays
    @bobvoladorTutorialesyGamePlays 2 роки тому

    babe wake up, new guru video just dropped

  • @LeadingMole058
    @LeadingMole058 2 роки тому +1

    Spider-Man 2000 is awesome

  • @benarchyuk837
    @benarchyuk837 2 роки тому

    The Max Max easter egg is actually an Easter egg reference to the robot shark from Just Cause 2!

  • @baki8905
    @baki8905 2 роки тому

    The "fuck you" sliding down slowly just killed me

  • @aquasomnus
    @aquasomnus 2 роки тому +1

    The Nier one hurts so much, to think it was all just a showcase for devtools to mod the game...
    I mean it's neat and nice but man does it kill the mystery...

  • @thacarter497
    @thacarter497 2 роки тому

    i accidentally found the spiderman easter egg as a kid and i was so confused on what was going on. i had no idea what was going on or why and it wasnt until many years later i learned what an easter egg is

  • @CryogenicToast
    @CryogenicToast 2 роки тому

    “Authentic battles…. So anyways HERE’S A GIANT F*KING CRAB”

  • @lumpyspaceprincess2059
    @lumpyspaceprincess2059 2 роки тому

    I’ve been watching your videos like crazy, love them bro super dope content

  • @rodriguezquickie3597
    @rodriguezquickie3597 2 роки тому

    Back 8 years ago i remember watching some Silent Hill 2 Secrets and remember see of the map easter eggs but don't remember if the video says how to unlock it but altmost all this time i think it was just a rumor back in the day