I lived in the same road as Danny as children - what a pretty child he was with everything I would have loved - long blond hair, delicate features - my mum was great friends with his mum. We went to school together and he came to play in my house often - my family loved him.
@@dannygray4898 No offense meant I see loads make the same mistake every day on YT. Let me help with you out. "Underrated" means people know of you but don't give you proper credit for how accomplished you are - musically this case. "Underappreciated" means few people are aware of you and how accomplished you are. See the diff? Danny was definitely underappreciated no way underrated. The two words are wrongly used interchangeably when they shouldn't be. They mean entirely different things..
@@rtflone No, no. He was underrated by the general public. To the average Joe in the street, if you say Fleetwood Mac, they respond: "oh Yeh, Tell me Lies, tell me sweet little lies". They don't even know of Dragonfly most of em.
Danny Kirwan should be as mythical a figure as Nick Drake. Everyone should know him. He was the complete package - guitarist, singer, songwriter par excellence.
Met Danny several times in the 90's. He was staying at a Dry-out house just off Rotherhite New Road S.London. He was friends with a tenant who was also a guitarist. Danny came around the house occasionaly. He came across as a cool slightly nervy but a nice man. Even his casual playing sounded brilliant, a real musician. I got a big smile out of him when l told him 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' was my favourite Mac song. RIP Danny
@@greatunz67 If you ever come across the single 'Albatross' check the b-side, you'll find 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' with Kirwan given the writing credit. A lot of 60s/70s blues guitarists would give an old standard a new arrangement and get a writing credit. Early Led Zepplin and Rolling Stones albums have many examples. In later decades the original writer would get a co-credit and back royalties, usually following a lawsuit. Hope this clears up your confusion.
@@frankmorgandorfer893i understand that, i have the single (and everything the Mac ever did) but Venuti did write the version they did, and they didn't change it much. My point is there are many other much better songs that are Kirwan originals that he wrote. His sublime instrumental 'Sunny Side of Heaven' from the Bare Trees album for instance.
@@greatunz67 Sorry l misunderstood, l thought you were unfamiliar with Kirwan's work. Bare Trees is a great record that deserved a lot more attention from the media at the time. Solo albums from musicians that were in famous bands never seemed to get much coverage, Mick Taylor and Mick Ronson come to mind. Shame really. Cheers
I'm a yank from upstate NY and Danny Kirwan is so vastly underrated it's criminal.His phrasing and vibrato are the things dreams are made of.It's very sad to me that he isn't recognized more...especially in the guitar community.
Apparently Mick Fleetwood sent people to find him so he could be present when FM were inducted into the R&R Hall of fame. Him and Peter were cut from the same cloth, it's tragic. But it's also stuff legends are remembered for which Danny indeed is.
This was excellent. These were real people. I like how the guest was very sensitive about that and respected Peter and Danny. He knew they had issues but still held them in reverence. There is a great clip on UA-cam which I saw the other day from a French Documentary showing Danny leaving his home and going to practice with Peter Green in an apartment. JOhn Mcvie is sitting on the couch. Danny looked so young and Peter was very vibrant and funny. What they were jamming was unreal. They were special players that is for sure. Sometimes success or fame and money exposes the cracks in someone. They burned bright for the short amount of time they were together.
One of the truly great guitar players ever .Clean alternate picking with Djangoesque style and a massive knowledge of scales coupled with huge vocabulary and feel/ vibrato like no-one else.Genius has it's price. R.I.P. Danny..Too good for this earth.
I am 66 and have been a big fan of the REAL Fleetwood mac since the beginning..i could care less about the Nicks mac..great info...from you guys...we need to get it out that PETER and DANNYwere the best...mac AND guitar Duo ever...
It's always warms my heart when I'm reminded that there are others who appreciate Danny as much as I do. Most people have never heard of him. He was able to keep the band going after Peter left and still put out a lot of great music. Those two were so good together. What a shame he had his issues (as did Peter, and really Jeremy as well). They were just getting better and better in that short time they were together. There was nothing 'flashy' in his playing, he just knew how to play the right notes. Even just those little vibrato fills he would throw in there were so good.
I was a toddler in the early Fleetwood Mac days and really only knew the version with Buckingham Nicks. I went back to early Fleetwood Mac out of hearing about Peter Green's death. I feel like I've found buried treasure with Peter's music. I find myself playing alot of Danny Kirwan songs that I'd never heard. Station Man, Woman of a thousand years, Dust, Sands of Time really soothe me. I feel robbed that he's gone. I wish I could have been around to have seen him play.
Yep. So annoying that I bought Phil Collins albums when there were albums like old Mac stuff I didn't even know of until much later. My parents now tell me they liked Peter Green and he was huge back in the day. Then why did you never tell me about him until I asked! Lol.
That's a great song. I personally like the b side even more, 'Purple Dancer'. I only knew about 'Purple Dancer' because a friend had a German 'best of' album that had it. It was an odd 'best of' album, it had a handful of songs from 'Then Play On' along with 'Purple Dancer', 'Dragonfly' and 'Green Manalishi'.
True Legends like Our Greeny and Danny don't boast about their fame ... all they wanted to do was play the music ...Thank you, James for telling everyone about Danny's magical music and voice also . It was his calm singing voice and the FM boys playing in the background that saved me from a knife-wailing maniac in 1978 . Nobody had to convince me since of how phenomenal these guys were !! I only regret not ever being able to thank them personally. It's wonderful to actually hear of people meeting them and giving what I believe are true accounts of it ! And Andrew Dear , you must brush up and listen to more of Danny's music and read Martin Celmens book . He jumps around a bit in it but some 'good to know ' info inside his writing !! Thanks again guys !!! So appreciate this !☺Btw, James your art is fantastic !
Very nice to include Liam, Peter's son, in the conversation. I've followed his Ranier interviews, and he cuts through all the hype quite well. Interesting stuff. Liam is also recognized in the latest edition of the Celmins bio. Very respectful. I hope he and Peter's beloved daughter Rosebud are doing well these days.
I first heard the song Dust the day he died quite an extraordinary event for myself as I’d been making a big deal about the song during the day to my friends and then by the evening I was on my back from the hospital as my mother wasn’t very well and he had passed it was out of this world I was gutted what a legend he is I appreciate your collective knowledge and time you’ve put imo discussing this wonderful artist it’s a travesty the guy isn’t even on Spotify for the new generation to explore his solo work.
Strange I stumbled on this interview today, as this morning I awoke with Kirwan's 'When we are Dust' playing in my head. Even though I haven't heard it for ages and had to remember who it was. That's another poem that Danny set to music, in this case it's the WW1 poet Rupert Brooke. Danny just took a few verses, but the whole poem is also well worth a read. Danny was obviously well read as well as having an eclectic knowledge of music and performers. I was actually born the same year as him 1950, RIP Danny!
Nice to hear your voice, James. Actually my old partner Steve Rye met Danny Kirwan years ago when they were both patients at the Maudsley. You are right about alcohol. Many of the old Jazz people who had junk problems actually died from alcohol. Cheers Simon Prager
Simon! So nice to hear from you; you'd like the Davey Graham chat we had recently too. Hoping you are well there. I do miss your gigs...ua-cam.com/video/GyP-I56srpw/v-deo.html
What a thoroughly engaging conversation. Just perfect guys, the banter just flowed so naturally it was as though we were there with you. So much to say about Danny and Peter, both such fascinating and elusive personalities. For P Green/early Fleetwood fans, this is a must listen to. Just an aside. As James and Ramon are so well acquainted with the London music scene, did you ever see, or know of the great Steve "White Man" Waller from Camberwell/Brixton? Now passed. Best known around 1970's-80's London, mainly South London. Fabulous showman, guitarist, singer, band leader, heavily influenced by Stevie Wonder, BB King, Reggae, J Beck, Funk, everything. Played for a while with Manfred Man's Earth Band, but was really at home with the public, giging pubs, clubs. He was much loved and admired. Doing a tribute on this great man would be wonderful.
I was a guitar playing teenager in the late sixties early seventies, listening to Fleetwood Mac especially the records with Danny playing guitar. In fact he was a real influence on my developing style. I never knew what happened to him at all. I just remember him for his excellent work, and just today I was playing something from Kiln House. I’m way older than you guys and was just 16 when I started started listening to those guys back in 1970, in Los Angeles where I grew up.
Thanks so much for posting this. I'm such a fan of Danny, that when I got a chance to ask Bob Welch a question through the Penguin fan site, I asked him all about working with Danny (that was mean of me - I regret it.) But I did try to compliment how good Bob was with Danny - Bare Trees being the best Fleetwood Mac album - hands down. Clearly Danny was obsessive and a perfectionist. Pair that with substance abuse, and the stress of touring, it's not surprising that he was asked to leave Fleetwood Mac after his rampage. That move hurt them both tremendously. Danny put out 3 great solo albums before leaving music entirely, but he left us with the best guitar playing ever. And I don't want to knock Peter Green because he too was an incredible player, but Danny is clearly responsible for much of the guitar work on Fleetwood Mac albums they both played on. Danny was a much more technical player though, and with his obsessions, he played what you heard on the records. Peter was much more adventurous on stage, so I'm sure it frustrated Danny to have to alter licks when Peter would stray. Danny for sure could hold his own doing that, but it just wasn't who he was musically. On the comment about Danny being too young to be in Fleetwood Mac, I disagree. He was already playing in Boilerhouse - even opening for Peter Green. He tried to find a better band, but couldn't find what he was looking for, so when the offer to join Fleetwood Mac happened, he happily joined. He seemed to really enjoy playing in the studio, and it sounds like the group was incredibly democratic with the songs - Peter certainly wasn't greedy about album space or even lead guitar parts. If his youth played into it, it was only about how that led to his willingness to experiment with drugs (but they all did it) and unfortunately some were affected more heavily than others. I'd love to know more about why Danny regretted that he played the blues. I know he talked about it being an early musical interest of his (prior to his days in the Mac) but he was already feeling that British players shouldn't be purists - but rather use any kind of good music to augment their skills. An underrated legend, indeed.
Nice to see an overlooked guitarist get some attention. He was a great protégée of the incredible Peter Green. 👍 This is a very well produced channel well done Ramon.
Very done! I really enjoy the original Fleetwood Mac. Not a lot on Danny Kirwan out there after his Mac time. Thanks very much and long live Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer (and Danny Kirwan)!!
Danny was my first musical crush when I was 15. I discovered FM and loved the Future Games, Kiln House, and Bare Trees albums. I was lucky enough to see them once. Got invited to their after party but my friend with me had to go home..What a missed opportunity! He was such a brilliant player at just 18.
What is always overlooked when it comes to Danny is that he'd only started playing guitar at the age of 15 and he turned 18 when he joined Fleetwood Mac so from being a complete novice and obscure to being a member of the UK's biggest touring Blues based band occurred within 3 short years. Four years on and at the age of 22 he is fired from the band, must have been such a huge kick in the guts and betrayal.
So like syd barrett he didn't have time to start a 'normal ' adult life as both became stars in the music buisness at such a young age ,"Hes not my friend"! ,love to know what he said about Mick the drummer?who I like but does come across as too 'I'm right ' kind of person maybe the coke,but sad he didnt patch things up .
I was heavily involved in finger style delta blues when the Mac took off, freight train drivers and yet, very melodic, will always love that sound, now in my dotage, i play in that vein for my ears only,
Thanks for keeping Danny's flame burning. Been a huge fan for quite a while. Really hope more personal recollections come out. Wonder if there are any recordings he might have done hidden away somewhere?
@@TheGuitarShow just struck me that for someone who had spent most of his life playing and composing songs in the hothouse of the music industry, I find it difficult to believe he never felt the urge to play again. By all accounts he didn't seem to be doing much. Also amazed his family don't seem interested in keeping his achievements alive, even if it was to reap from it financially!
Thanks for doing this-very insightful look at some of my favourite music-Danny Kirwan and Peter Green playing together is simply stunning-the improvisation on the Tea Party live sets is out of this world. Both in a way had tragic lives but my God they left an indelible legacy. And I love the mid 80's PVK Peter Green solo albums-In the Skies/Little Dreamer/Whatcha Gonna do-I have the green vinyl copy of In the Skies up in my loft!!
Hello Gentlemen and thank you. During the last few minutes of this interview you spoke of future topics to discuss. One topic many DK fans would like to know more about is the day Danny blew up backstage. There is very little context fans can grasp their teeth around. We hear bits and pieces, but never get the real story. To state it might have been an issue with tuning between Bob and Danny isn't enough. I find it interesting we've never heard Danny's take on the argument. I get a sneaky suspicion that the band members had more to say, but kept mum on the topic. Speaking of memory loss as you two did, I'm afraid we'll never know. The main combatants are gone. Perhaps there is someone who can shed additional light. We don't even know the concert date and venue when this fateful night occurred. There is an FM boot from 9-2-72 so it's safe to surmise it took place during the first two weeks in September. I'm sure all Danny Kirwan fans like myself would like this topic explored more than it has. Be good.
Thank you so much for this guys!! It's really beautiful for me to listen people talking about Danny. I'm a huge fan of his music. Onestly I didn't know some of the things that James said. Very interesting. Where did you find some of the information? For example where do you read about the shotgun in Chicago? (Not because I question what you said but only because I would like to find out too). Where I can find James on social media? (if he had them) Anyway... I have an advice for you Ramon. In my opinion you should let James talk and not interrupt him, that's because he can loose the thread of the speech, if he didn't specified the year you can ask for it when he finish, because it's not essential to understand the story that he was talking. He was saying that Danny arrived to sell practically all his guitars and you asked him the year and he resumed telling the story by skipping that part. Other than that, amazing video! Hope to see others videos about Danny in the future. Cheers!
@@TheGuitarShow No, no! I really like it, thanks a lot for posting this amazing video. Mine was a just little detail and advice to make his story more fluid. For the rest I would like to say a huge thank you because you are the only one with Barrie Cadogan to talk about Danny here on UA-cam! 🙏
Very interesting chat. Makes me sad what happened to both Peter and Danny. One of my favourite songs on Then Play On is Although The Sun is Shining. That whole album is tinged with a sadness and undercurrent of melancholy but it's such a great album. My dad introduced it to me in 1988, I was listening to Fleetwood Mac when my peers were listening to thrash metal, Guns N Roses, hip hop or house music. That album is very special to me, it's in my CD collection still.
How was the fan of Danny Kerwin and Fleetwood Mac since when they made albatross that was just a masterpiece it just caught me, I’ve been in the Blues ever since to see Danny Kerwin and Peter Greene play off of each other was pure magic
Hi Ramon, yourself and Bob have been putting out some great content recently. This is a gem of a interview... as is your interview with Scott Mckeown.. Really enjoying these . 👍🎸
the la la la la la la was my favourite part of the song. One thing about Danny was his childlike innocence that he expressed w the Mac...then....after a few years...corrupted
I was a big Bluesbreakers fan, and when the original four-piece Fleetwood Mac launched I considered them to be just another hackneyed blues band, with their debut 'dust bin' cover album leaving me quite unimpressed (remember, Cream, Hendrix, the Small Faces and so many other great, more inventive bands were happening at the time). It wasn't until Danny Kirwan joined that I really took note. Indeed, him joining not only added a relatively bright and lively new sonic dynamic of the band - he was a wickedly good and tasty guitarist and had a wonderful singing voice as well as some great tunes - but his presence seemed to kick Peter Green's efforts up a couple notches, resulting in the likes of 'The Green Manalishi' and 'Oh Well', which suggested a redefining of the blues...a sort of Fleetwood Mac blues genre all its own. Danny's 'Coming Your Way', with its heavy metal-like riff ending is another example of just how powerful that lineup could be when it jumped onto a great riff. Then there would be 'Although The Sun is Shining' or 'Show Biz Blues' to bring us back down to the pastoral beauty and the blues with feeling modes of that highly musical unit. And though nobody ever seems to mention it, the Mac with Danny were one of the first bands to have dual lead players. (Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page did it momentarily in the Yardbirds a couple years earlier and the Allman Brothers, who emerged around the time of the Danny/Peter union, took it to a higher harmonic level, as evidenced on their live 'At Fillmore East'.) Danny's melodic music coupled with his blonde schoolboy looks also added some sense of youthfulness to a band which otherwise looked like a rather threatening bunch or geezers whose shaggy looks and bristling beards made them look twice their age. With due respect to all the other lineups - and the one with Buckingham/Nicks was exceptionally fine and I loved the band when Danny and Christine McVie were the musical dominants - the five-piece that resulted with the addition of Danny Kirwan is the one that defined the Fleetwood Mac legacy. Also, with mention of the impersonators of Green and Jeremy Spencer: In America in 1974 there was a bogus Fleetwood Mac fielded by band manager Clifford Davis after the Mac took an unplanned break at the start of a tour due to Mick Fleetwood's discovery that singer/guitarist Bob Weston was having an affair with his wife, Jenny Boyd (Pattie's sister). Davis claimed to own the name and thus could determine the members. But the promoters and audiences immediately rejected the idea, as did the real Mac. That bogus band included bassist Paul Martinez, who was later in Robert Plant's early solo band and on his first few albums. Elmer Gantry, who later did some tracks with the Alan Parsons Project, Cozy Powell, and Jon Lord was on vocals. He'd previously had the band Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera, which included John Ford, Richard Hudson, later of the Strawbs and who had hits as Hudson-Ford. Like Fleetwood Mac itself, the bogus band proved to have its own history.
@@megadave1197 I have no idea seb man , the guy lived in Richmond U.K. and was a iron maiden fan ,he was Irish as well ,nice bloke , he said he was funded by joe Elliot of def leppard😂😂😂I must say I took that with a pinch of rock n roll salt ....he knew a lot about Danny for a time before internet tho .and good afternoon seb man 👋
Met Danny several times in the 90's, he was staying at a dry-out house just off Rotherhite New Road S.London. He was friends with a tenant and would come around the house. My tenant was a semi-pro guitarist. Danny was cool, a little nervy but just a nice man from what l saw. A couple of times he played guitar and even his casual playing was brilliant. A real musician and a real pleasure to have met him, however briefly. Got a big smile out of him when l told him 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' was my favourite Mac song. RIP Danny Kirwan
I can't imagine the pressure Danny must have been under. Any other band would have disintegrated once your founder and lead guitar quits. Danny stepped right up to the plate and especially for being so young, is really responsible for there still being a Fleetwood Mac. I read somewhere that Danny, being so young, was not even allowed in the hotel bars with the rest of the band when they toured. They would buy him a case of beer and he would be stuck in the hotel room watching TV.
I’m a big fan of your Channel and support what you and Bob do. Now in the spirit of Danny, I’d love to see a guitar review of a three pickup Les Paul custom. I’m sure you guys can track one down 😉.
St. Mungo's!? I've been by there so many times. I knew Danny was in a hostel, from a friend who found him there in '96. He often visited a pub nearby, but I never knew where...
Great stories guys, it's hard when you meet one of your heroes, all of a sudden you freeze up and forget what you want to say. I was lucky enough to meet Peter after a splinter group show and he signed a cd for me. He didn't have much to say, Nigel did most of the talking. As for Munich the whole band was at the party as they have talked about it in several interviews. I do believe that Peter and Danny were damaged a bit that night but they also had other issues so everything can't be blamed on that night.
Interesting chat. I looked up that Peter Green tribute concert, it was certainly emotional seeing Jeremy Spencer with the group. That probably was the highlight of the show, and there were a lot of great performances. Glad he managed to look after himself, the voice hasn't changed a bit.
the egg and potato guys name was "Harper" as I recall, one of my singers said she had met Peter Green and he wanted to sing with her, I went to the rehearsal and was told I can't mention Fleetwood Mac or ask questions about them, I spoke to the guy for a moment, later he sang / played guitar and had a good voice but 20 years on no one knew what Peter sounded like, his crowd claimed that Eric Clapton and Stan Webb had been to the farm and jammed with him, I was not convinced, a month later he was in the paper as a fraud, I still have the clipping somewhere from the early 1990s ( I still have the single in the skies)
Are you guys familiar with the FM album kiln house. It's quite different from anything they had done before or since. It was imeaditly after peter greens departure. It's my favorite album of all time probably because of the great time in my life when I discovered it in the summer of 1972 . I listened to it on a trip to alaska from seattle on a tugboat. Sounds like Danny's broken arm probably happened in an alcoholic blackout since he couldn't remember how it happened. I'm a ex alcoholic my self and had several injuries that were a mystery to me. What I heard about the interview for burnings book is that danny just said sorry bob I can't help you. To much stress. John lennon said in an interview that americans love affair with guns scared him. He said they walk around with guns like it's an extension of their arms. Sorry for being so long winded guys. I typed this before I finished watching. Hence the commet about burnings interview.
"He went his own way to oblivion." Whoever came up with that headline was a meanspirited fool. Ironic that Danny Kirwan's guitar work is appreciated by many people now who have discovered Fleetwood Mac's music over time. That's not oblivion.
Interesting discussion. I don't know that much about the early Fleetwood Mac. The stories of the band are interesting. I think I know about 4 or 5 songs from the original lineup
@@TheGuitarShowJust to add: I made a video about Rod Evans the original singer with Deep Purple. Check it out, just type in search bar above... Where is Rod Evans
1. Bob Welch remembered much during that time period, but when pressed about the nature of the argument, he claims he couldn't remember during a Penquin interview. However, he does proudly remember pressing Mick to get rid of Danny shortly after joining the band. He stated Kirwan was messing with everyone's head. I can't speak for anyone else, but this bit of news was upsetting to hear. We're talking about a newcomer to the band who quickly became tight with Mick and was already conspiring against Danny. 2. John McVie in a Penguin interview stated it was a gig in San Diego where Danny refused to go on stage. This information is hard to believe because the band was playing along the eastern section of the US during the month of Sept. in 1972. Perhaps the list of concerts provided on the web during that time period are wrong.
Peter green always looks tall to me in pics because jeremy spencer is 5'3 and peter in pictures seems quite abit taller than jeremy love the early fleetwood mac i would have loved to have seen them in the 60s R.I.P to danny and peter awesome musicians.
I think James downplays the life-wrecking power of LSD here. Peter was obviously a casualty of that. Quite a coincidence that Danny went the same way at the same time, no? Nobody loses it like that over gunshots etc. Just sayin'.
Given his age, sex, and genealogy, Green might have been susceptible to schizophrenia with or without drug use...there are thoughts that for those susceptible, the drug use can bring out the schizophrenia...or once symptoms emerge, some will turn to drugs in an attempt to self medicate...it's actually disgusting that it appears to have taken 20+ years for Green to have been diagnosed, and treated to the point he could function again...as for the party in Germany, I suspect, but can't prove the whole band and crew probably went...for years, the group claimed only Green went (lovely bandmates...you let your Jewish member go alone to a mansion in Germany, for a drug party, barely 20 years after the war), then the story became Kirwan went too...again, I have a feeling we haven't heard everything about that party, and never will...also believe it wasn't drugs alone, that screwed up Kirwan, something happened to him at that party...think it out, he started drinking after this party...most people drink to forget things...🤔
@@neilm.greenberg4173 Given LSD's intrepid history of messing with people's mental health (and I am one of them) it would be an incredible coincidence that Green and Kirwan went doolally at exactly the same time for some mysterious 'other' reason, wouldn't it? Nobody thought about Green as a Jew especially in those circles. Silly and insulting thoughts about ordinary German people. I guess it's all opinion though.
Psychedelics can do strong things. Even instantly. But long-term alcohol mixed with depression can truly rewire your brain as well. LSD has powerful effects, but it is the individual human mind and setting that determines how the drug affects that subject that day.
Ps didn’t Danny have a terrible row with Bob welch one night , welch keep on n on about Danny being out of tune , which led to Danny smacking his head up a wall in frustration and temper , also heard Bob welch was horrid to Danny all the time ☹️
@@TheGuitarShow Little hitlers in bands ,the least talented of the bunch ,it's the only way they can compensate for mediocracy.They hurt ultra sensitive genius players like Danny in ways that are permanent and despicable.
@@helmutsecke3529 over the years I’ve heard many a bad story about several members of the Mac , everyone has there bad days or bad years , just a bloody shame they put Danny out to dry , even watching Peter greens son interview the German guy who was with pete in Munich, says Peter was in top form mentally, he just had enough of the music industry bullshit , which for blues players is very true , we all hate the music industry 😂😂😂😂✌️
I can imagine members of Fleetwood Mac saying things to Danny Kirwan that were insulting and hurtful. The reaction Kirwan gave regarding Green..."Hes not my friend " is telling...because when you have a falling out with a band and many years later you actually feel perhaps that they were not your friends. It makes sense. Christine McVie had a few negative comments about Danny Kirwan. Interestingly though...there are about 5 or 6 photographs of Christine McVie and Danny Kirwan sitting next to each other where she is looking at him in a romantic way. Perhaps its just accidental or perhaps im misreading the whole thing. I used to get the impression that she tried to get close to Danny Kirwan , but couldn't. Yet Danny Kirwan helped her with her first solo album...possibly by producing and writing /playing her stuff. The Munich incident has often been attributed to Kirwan and Green being permanently mentally ill after they took Acid that was supposedly laced with something else. Something that affected both of them. Something which lingered and affected their mental state...however...there are people who claim that Danny Kirwan wasnt there. Bob Welch stated..." Danny Kirwan used to go off by himself and stay in a room for hours writing" " He was the weirdest person i ever met" Thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard in my life! Really? I mean..what do you do when you compose serious music? Sit in front of everyone? Bob Welch obviously had a mentality existing in the social environment of California where everything is open and everything is shared amongst people. Unfortunately thats not what a lot of great writers do. Its completely normal to lock yourself in a room for hours to master a composition. To compose...to create something unique. Bob Welch's position was moronic
My personal thought is that Bob welch came into the band with a cocky attitude and that completely clashed with Danny. Then, like a ticking time bomb he went off on Welch and the rest of the band. As somebody mentioned further up this thread, it seems odd there are not more details on what happened that night when Danny got fired.
Man ..... if you sit next to Danny Kirwan on a bench .. you have many kind of ways to ask him questions, on a very relax way, just sit next to him not stare in his eyes just chillin and ask questions . All that bull crap to treat him like a barbie doll, not asking questions ..... now he's gone and there are so many questions out there , it's a shame really, it's a fucking shame
@@TheGuitarShow i like to show support for anyone remembering danny Kirwan.. that quiver in his voice.. like on um.. ..something inside of me, for example.. 🙂 x
@@TheGuitarShow sorry.. gonna blabber on a bit.. saw Peter green in the mid eighties in my home town of Cardiff and it is memorable for the wrong reasons.. and then in the noughties moved to Oxford and considered moving to London but didn't.. i've wondered because i became homeless in Oxford if i would've become homeless in London..?? 🙂 😉 ..and from there my imagination kicks in! lol
I lived in the same road as Danny as children - what a pretty child he was with everything I would have loved - long blond hair, delicate features - my mum was great friends with his mum. We went to school together and he came to play in my house often - my family loved him.
How lovely that you knew Danny and his Mum. He was an exceptional talented musician with a lovely voice.
Thank you for sharing that. I love Danny and it’s so nice to hear from someone who knew and admired him.
Danny Kirwin was SO underrated. The song "Dragonfly" from 1971 is just beautiful.
@@dannygray4898 No offense meant I see loads make the same mistake every day on YT. Let me help with you out. "Underrated" means people know of you but don't give you proper credit for how accomplished you are - musically this case. "Underappreciated" means few people are aware of you and how accomplished you are. See the diff? Danny was definitely underappreciated no way underrated. The two words are wrongly used interchangeably when they shouldn't be. They mean entirely different things..
@@rtflone No, no. He was underrated by the general public. To the average Joe in the street, if you say Fleetwood Mac, they respond: "oh Yeh, Tell me Lies, tell me sweet little lies". They don't even know of Dragonfly most of em.
Such a shame Danny didn't get to see later in life that his music is more loved than ever now.
I agree. I was trying to find a way to reach him but wasn’t successful. He was a wonderful musician. God bless him.
Danny Kirwan should be as mythical a figure as Nick Drake. Everyone should know him. He was the complete package - guitarist, singer, songwriter par excellence.
Met Danny several times in the 90's.
He was staying at a Dry-out house just off Rotherhite New Road S.London.
He was friends with a tenant who was also a guitarist.
Danny came around the house occasionaly.
He came across as a cool slightly nervy but a nice man.
Even his casual playing sounded brilliant, a real musician.
I got a big smile out of him when l told him 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' was my favourite Mac song.
RIP Danny
He might have smiled more if you said your favorite song was one of the many he had actually written, and not one written by Joe Venuti from 1933 lol!
@@greatunz67 If you ever come across the single 'Albatross' check the b-side, you'll find 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' with Kirwan given the writing credit.
A lot of 60s/70s blues guitarists would give an old standard a new arrangement and get a writing credit.
Early Led Zepplin and Rolling Stones albums have many examples.
In later decades the original writer would get a co-credit and back royalties, usually following a lawsuit.
Hope this clears up your confusion.
@@frankmorgandorfer893i understand that, i have the single (and everything the Mac ever did) but Venuti did write the version they did, and they didn't change it much. My point is there are many other much better songs that are Kirwan originals that he wrote. His sublime instrumental 'Sunny Side of Heaven' from the Bare Trees album for instance.
@@greatunz67 Sorry l misunderstood, l thought you were unfamiliar with Kirwan's work.
Bare Trees is a great record that deserved a lot more attention from the media at the time.
Solo albums from musicians that were in famous bands never seemed to get much coverage, Mick Taylor and Mick Ronson come to mind.
Shame really.
Cheers
Frank morgan, did he say anything about his lsd sessions or his time in Munich castle with Peter green ?
I'm a yank from upstate NY and Danny Kirwan is so vastly underrated it's criminal.His phrasing and vibrato are the things dreams are made of.It's very sad to me that he isn't recognized more...especially in the guitar community.
I agree
Also his clear English voice
Apparently Mick Fleetwood sent people to find him so he could be present when FM were inducted into the R&R Hall of fame. Him and Peter were cut from the same cloth, it's tragic. But it's also stuff legends are remembered for which Danny indeed is.
and that quiver in his voice 🙂 x
This was excellent. These were real people. I like how the guest was very sensitive about that and respected Peter and Danny. He knew they had issues but still held them in reverence. There is a great clip on UA-cam which I saw the other day from a French Documentary showing Danny leaving his home and going to practice with Peter Green in an apartment. JOhn Mcvie is sitting on the couch. Danny looked so young and Peter was very vibrant and funny. What they were jamming was unreal. They were special players that is for sure. Sometimes success or fame and money exposes the cracks in someone. They burned bright for the short amount of time they were together.
So cool I'd love to see that clip do you have a link?
@@TheGuitarShow if you type in 'Danny Kirwan and Peter Green rehearsing' it'll come up. It's amazing.
@@TheGuitarShow ua-cam.com/video/q7Yw1SZTtAs/v-deo.html&start_radio=1
I think I just watched part of that, it showed Peter and Danny going into a room and practicing 'One Sunny Day'.
One of the truly great guitar players ever .Clean alternate picking with Djangoesque style and a massive knowledge of scales coupled with huge vocabulary and feel/ vibrato like no-one else.Genius has it's price.
R.I.P. Danny..Too good for this earth.
Well put Terry, thanks!
I am 66 and have been a big fan of the REAL Fleetwood mac since the beginning..i could care less about the Nicks mac..great info...from you guys...we need to get it out that PETER and DANNYwere the best...mac AND guitar Duo ever...
Great comment Joe!
It's always warms my heart when I'm reminded that there are others who appreciate Danny as much as I do. Most people have never heard of him. He was able to keep the band going after Peter left and still put out a lot of great music. Those two were so good together. What a shame he had his issues (as did Peter, and really Jeremy as well). They were just getting better and better in that short time they were together. There was nothing 'flashy' in his playing, he just knew how to play the right notes. Even just those little vibrato fills he would throw in there were so good.
I was a toddler in the early Fleetwood Mac days and really only knew the version with Buckingham Nicks. I went back to early Fleetwood Mac out of hearing about Peter Green's death. I feel like I've found buried treasure with Peter's music. I find myself playing alot of Danny Kirwan songs that I'd never heard. Station Man, Woman of a thousand years, Dust, Sands of Time really soothe me. I feel robbed that he's gone. I wish I could have been around to have seen him play.
Great comment, thanks 🙏
Yep. So annoying that I bought Phil Collins albums when there were albums like old Mac stuff I didn't even know of until much later. My parents now tell me they liked Peter Green and he was huge back in the day. Then why did you never tell me about him until I asked! Lol.
You should listen to Peter's album "In The Skies"...... it could have you weeping in places!
@@thadonis. that's a very honest admission the Phil Collins thing 😉😉🤣
Danny Kirwin was SO underrated. The song "Dragonfly" from 1971 is just beautiful.
Agreed
That's a great song. I personally like the b side even more, 'Purple Dancer'. I only knew about 'Purple Dancer' because a friend had a German 'best of' album that had it. It was an odd 'best of' album, it had a handful of songs from 'Then Play On' along with 'Purple Dancer', 'Dragonfly' and 'Green Manalishi'.
True Legends like Our Greeny and Danny don't boast about their fame ... all they wanted to do was play the music ...Thank you, James for telling everyone about Danny's magical music and voice also . It was his calm singing voice and the FM boys playing in the background that saved me from a knife-wailing maniac in 1978 . Nobody had to convince me since of how phenomenal these guys were !! I only regret not ever being able to thank them personally. It's wonderful to actually hear of people meeting them and giving what I believe are true accounts of it ! And Andrew Dear , you must brush up and listen to more of Danny's music and read Martin Celmens book . He jumps around a bit in it but some 'good to know ' info inside his writing !! Thanks again guys !!! So appreciate this !☺Btw, James your art is fantastic !
Thank you. James is a nice person and shared his experiences with respect about Danny and Peter
Glad you did something for Danny!!!
Pleasure 🙏
Danny and Peter were the greatest guitar duo!! They worked together to produce the greatest music of the era!!
Probably my favorite guitar one-two punch of all time was Peter Green and Danny Kirwan.
Very nice to include Liam, Peter's son, in the conversation. I've followed his Ranier interviews, and he cuts through all the hype quite well. Interesting stuff. Liam is also recognized in the latest edition of the Celmins bio. Very respectful. I hope he and Peter's beloved daughter Rosebud are doing well these days.
I first heard the song Dust the day he died quite an extraordinary event for myself as I’d been making a big deal about the song during the day to my friends and then by the evening I was on my back from the hospital as my mother wasn’t very well and he had passed it was out of this world I was gutted what a legend he is I appreciate your collective knowledge and time you’ve put imo discussing this wonderful artist it’s a travesty the guy isn’t even on Spotify for the new generation to explore his solo work.
Many thanks indeed
Absolutely wonderful anecdotes. Thank you gents.
Pleasure
Huge fan of Peter Green and Danny Kirwan since the mid 70's - thanks for sharing
Pleasure Mark
Strange I stumbled on this interview today, as this morning I awoke with Kirwan's 'When we are Dust' playing in my head. Even though I haven't heard it for ages and had to remember who it was. That's another poem that Danny set to music, in this case it's the WW1 poet Rupert Brooke. Danny just took a few verses, but the whole poem is also well worth a read. Danny was obviously well read as well as having an eclectic knowledge of music and performers. I was actually born the same year as him 1950, RIP Danny!
Nice to hear your voice, James. Actually my old partner Steve Rye met Danny Kirwan years ago when they were both patients at the Maudsley. You are right about alcohol. Many of the old Jazz people who had junk problems actually died from alcohol. Cheers Simon Prager
Thanks Simon
Simon! So nice to hear from you; you'd like the Davey Graham chat we had recently too. Hoping you are well there. I do miss your gigs...ua-cam.com/video/GyP-I56srpw/v-deo.html
What a thoroughly engaging conversation. Just perfect guys, the banter just flowed so naturally it was as though we were there with you.
So much to say about Danny and Peter, both such fascinating and elusive personalities. For P Green/early Fleetwood fans, this is a must listen to.
Just an aside.
As James and Ramon are so well acquainted with the London music scene, did you ever see, or know of the great Steve "White Man" Waller from Camberwell/Brixton? Now passed. Best known around 1970's-80's London, mainly South London. Fabulous showman, guitarist, singer, band leader, heavily influenced by Stevie Wonder, BB King, Reggae, J Beck, Funk, everything. Played for a while with Manfred Man's Earth Band, but was really at home with the public, giging pubs, clubs.
He was much loved and admired. Doing a tribute on this great man would be wonderful.
Thank you!
Jigsaw puzzle blues my favourite Danny kirwan track
That's an amazing tune Steve.
Dragonfly. Coming your way. And many others 👍
@@jeffreyblankley Dust is up there and Trinity!
Dust beyond rcognition,
In the skies,it could be heaven!
Great listen, not much else info about Kirwan on the web so thanks for sharing these anecdotes!
That was brilliant. What a fascinating and respectful guy James is. One of the best interviews I’ve seen. Yes, bring James back to talk about Toure.
Second that!
I promise very soon
I agree. Respectful and fair.
I was a guitar playing teenager in the late sixties early seventies, listening to Fleetwood Mac especially the records with Danny playing guitar. In fact he was a real influence on my developing style. I never knew what happened to him at all. I just remember him for his excellent work, and just today I was playing something from Kiln House. I’m way older than you guys and was just 16 when I started started listening to those guys back in 1970, in Los Angeles where I grew up.
Thanks so much for posting this. I'm such a fan of Danny, that when I got a chance to ask Bob Welch a question through the Penguin fan site, I asked him all about working with Danny (that was mean of me - I regret it.) But I did try to compliment how good Bob was with Danny - Bare Trees being the best Fleetwood Mac album - hands down. Clearly Danny was obsessive and a perfectionist. Pair that with substance abuse, and the stress of touring, it's not surprising that he was asked to leave Fleetwood Mac after his rampage. That move hurt them both tremendously. Danny put out 3 great solo albums before leaving music entirely, but he left us with the best guitar playing ever. And I don't want to knock Peter Green because he too was an incredible player, but Danny is clearly responsible for much of the guitar work on Fleetwood Mac albums they both played on. Danny was a much more technical player though, and with his obsessions, he played what you heard on the records. Peter was much more adventurous on stage, so I'm sure it frustrated Danny to have to alter licks when Peter would stray. Danny for sure could hold his own doing that, but it just wasn't who he was musically.
On the comment about Danny being too young to be in Fleetwood Mac, I disagree. He was already playing in Boilerhouse - even opening for Peter Green. He tried to find a better band, but couldn't find what he was looking for, so when the offer to join Fleetwood Mac happened, he happily joined. He seemed to really enjoy playing in the studio, and it sounds like the group was incredibly democratic with the songs - Peter certainly wasn't greedy about album space or even lead guitar parts. If his youth played into it, it was only about how that led to his willingness to experiment with drugs (but they all did it) and unfortunately some were affected more heavily than others.
I'd love to know more about why Danny regretted that he played the blues. I know he talked about it being an early musical interest of his (prior to his days in the Mac) but he was already feeling that British players shouldn't be purists - but rather use any kind of good music to augment their skills. An underrated legend, indeed.
pleasure Henry thanks for the great comment
That was amazing!Loved every minute of it,
Please bring James back soon
Thanks - yes he is back very soon!
Nice to see an overlooked guitarist get some attention. He was a great protégée of the incredible Peter Green. 👍 This is a very well produced channel well done Ramon.
Thanks so much Kevin!!!
"Woman of 1,000 Years"..top that one.
impossible
Very done! I really enjoy the original Fleetwood Mac. Not a lot on Danny Kirwan out there after his Mac time. Thanks very much and long live Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer (and Danny Kirwan)!!
Danny was my first musical crush when I was 15. I discovered FM and loved the Future Games, Kiln House, and Bare Trees albums. I was lucky enough to see them once. Got invited to their after party but my friend with me had to go home..What a missed opportunity! He was such a brilliant player at just 18.
Peter Green saw Danny talent ,that’s go enough.
so true Tony
Great conversation; thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I used to live a few doors away from Danny Kirwan in the 80’s he used to drink in the local pub RIP
What is always overlooked when it comes to Danny is that he'd only started playing guitar at the age of 15 and he turned 18 when he joined Fleetwood Mac so from being a complete novice and obscure to being a member of the UK's biggest touring Blues based band occurred within 3 short years. Four years on and at the age of 22 he is fired from the band, must have been such a huge kick in the guts and betrayal.
From what I understand he had a breakdown which is hardly surprising.
So like syd barrett he didn't have time to start a 'normal ' adult life as both became stars in the music buisness at such a young age ,"Hes not my friend"! ,love to know what he said about Mick the drummer?who I like but does come across as too 'I'm right ' kind of person maybe the coke,but sad he didnt patch things up .
Absolutely brilliant thank you both
Pelasure
I was heavily involved in finger style delta blues when the Mac took off, freight train drivers and yet, very melodic, will always love that sound, now in my dotage, i play in that vein for my ears only,
I think Danny took it the hardest, when Peter left.maybe even felt abandoned by Peter and never forgave him?
Good video bro and great guest, informative without any bullshit and keeping it real, thanks for the work
Thanks for keeping Danny's flame burning. Been a huge fan for quite a while. Really hope more personal recollections come out. Wonder if there are any recordings he might have done hidden away somewhere?
Good point Phil, thanks for watching
@@TheGuitarShow just struck me that for someone who had spent most of his life playing and composing songs in the hothouse of the music industry, I find it difficult to believe he never felt the urge to play again. By all accounts he didn't seem to be doing much. Also amazed his family don't seem interested in keeping his achievements alive, even if it was to reap from it financially!
I got to see the fleetwood mac with green/ kirwin in new orleans , unreal. I really love his songs like dust.
There needs to be a book on Danny or Peter...
I agree!
There is one on peter
Guitar friend for life. A friend that most of the time tells you, “you suck”, but tells you you are great when it senses you are about to walk alway.
Kirwan fitted beautifully with Green. Fascinating discussion.
I agree, thanks for listening
Thanks for doing this-very insightful look at some of my favourite music-Danny Kirwan and Peter Green playing together is simply stunning-the improvisation on the Tea Party live sets is out of this world. Both in a way had tragic lives but my God they left an indelible legacy.
And I love the mid 80's PVK Peter Green solo albums-In the Skies/Little Dreamer/Whatcha Gonna do-I have the green vinyl copy of In the Skies up in my loft!!
Les Paul said “if you’ve got a guitar you’ve got a friend for life.”
Hello Gentlemen and thank you. During the last few minutes of this interview you spoke of future topics to discuss. One topic many DK fans would like to know more about is the day Danny blew up backstage. There is very little context fans can grasp their teeth around. We hear bits and pieces, but never get the real story. To state it might have been an issue with tuning between Bob and Danny isn't enough. I find it interesting we've never heard Danny's take on the argument. I get a sneaky suspicion that the band members had more to say, but kept mum on the topic. Speaking of memory loss as you two did, I'm afraid we'll never know. The main combatants are gone. Perhaps there is someone who can shed additional light. We don't even know the concert date and venue when this fateful night occurred. There is an FM boot from 9-2-72 so it's safe to surmise it took place during the first two weeks in September. I'm sure all Danny Kirwan fans like myself would like this topic explored more than it has. Be good.
Thanks Robert for this comment
Thank you so much for this guys!! It's really beautiful for me to listen people talking about Danny. I'm a huge fan of his music. Onestly I didn't know some of the things that James said. Very interesting. Where did you find some of the information? For example where do you read about the shotgun in Chicago? (Not because I question what you said but only because I would like to find out too). Where I can find James on social media? (if he had them) Anyway... I have an advice for you Ramon. In my opinion you should let James talk and not interrupt him, that's because he can loose the thread of the speech, if he didn't specified the year you can ask for it when he finish, because it's not essential to understand the story that he was talking. He was saying that Danny arrived to sell practically all his guitars and you asked him the year and he resumed telling the story by skipping that part. Other than that, amazing video! Hope to see others videos about Danny in the future. Cheers!
Hi Lorenzo I am sorry you don't like my interview style but that's the way I do it . Also I had to keep to a 40min time window. Thanks
@@TheGuitarShow No, no! I really like it, thanks a lot for posting this amazing video. Mine was a just little detail and advice to make his story more fluid. For the rest I would like to say a huge thank you because you are the only one with Barrie Cadogan to talk about Danny here on UA-cam! 🙏
@@lorenzoalexiu2421 pleasure bro thanks 🙏🙏🎸🎸🎸
Thanks for this. I love old Mac. I really appreciate the sincerity and enthusiasm of you guys.
Thank you. Well done guys. You should talk and analyze for hours and share stories about Peter and Danny. Real artists deeply respected.
Thank you Henrik
@@TheGuitarShow what about trying to get a interview with Snowy White about the in the skies session with Peter Green? 😊
@@aunevik great idea!! Let me work on that
Thank you for this. There were a lot of red flags waved in that interview, mainly that it was contrary to every other account on record.
Point them brother 👍
Future Games!! Is the Best Fleetwood Mac album!!
Thanks
Very interesting chat. Makes me sad what happened to both Peter and Danny. One of my favourite songs on Then Play On is Although The Sun is Shining. That whole album is tinged with a sadness and undercurrent of melancholy but it's such a great album. My dad introduced it to me in 1988, I was listening to Fleetwood Mac when my peers were listening to thrash metal, Guns N Roses, hip hop or house music.
That album is very special to me, it's in my CD collection still.
Very interesting interview. Well done.
Many thanks
I ve got both Tramp LPs and all Dannys solo albums and the 2000 CD of alternative takes etc
How was the fan of Danny Kerwin and Fleetwood Mac since when they made albatross that was just a masterpiece it just caught me, I’ve been in the Blues ever since to see Danny Kerwin and Peter Greene play off of each other was pure magic
Thanks for the comment Dave
Love this wonderful stuff more please :-)
Coming soon I promise thanks Alex
@@TheGuitarShow Many thanks Ramon take care :-)
Danny was so young when he joined
This is so great. Thank you.
00:20 - "if you can play music you'll have a friend for life" - Was something Ronnie Lane's father told him, that Ronnie would often recount.
Brilliant interview great
Thanks Damien
Hi Ramon, yourself and Bob have been putting out some great content recently. This is a gem of a interview... as is your interview with Scott Mckeown.. Really enjoying these . 👍🎸
Thanks Davey
the la la la la la la was my favourite part of the song. One thing about Danny was his childlike innocence that he expressed w the Mac...then....after a few years...corrupted
I was a big Bluesbreakers fan, and when the original four-piece Fleetwood Mac launched I considered them to be just another hackneyed blues band, with their debut 'dust bin' cover album leaving me quite unimpressed (remember, Cream, Hendrix, the Small Faces and so many other great, more inventive bands were happening at the time). It wasn't until Danny Kirwan joined that I really took note. Indeed, him joining not only added a relatively bright and lively new sonic dynamic of the band - he was a wickedly good and tasty guitarist and had a wonderful singing voice as well as some great tunes - but his presence seemed to kick Peter Green's efforts up a couple notches, resulting in the likes of 'The Green Manalishi' and 'Oh Well', which suggested a redefining of the blues...a sort of Fleetwood Mac blues genre all its own. Danny's 'Coming Your Way', with its heavy metal-like riff ending is another example of just how powerful that lineup could be when it jumped onto a great riff. Then there would be 'Although The Sun is Shining' or 'Show Biz Blues' to bring us back down to the pastoral beauty and the blues with feeling modes of that highly musical unit.
And though nobody ever seems to mention it, the Mac with Danny were one of the first bands to have dual lead players. (Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page did it momentarily in the Yardbirds a couple years earlier and the Allman Brothers, who emerged around the time of the Danny/Peter union, took it to a higher harmonic level, as evidenced on their live 'At Fillmore East'.)
Danny's melodic music coupled with his blonde schoolboy looks also added some sense of youthfulness to a band which otherwise looked like a rather threatening bunch or geezers whose shaggy looks and bristling beards made them look twice their age.
With due respect to all the other lineups - and the one with Buckingham/Nicks was exceptionally fine and I loved the band when Danny and Christine McVie were the musical dominants - the five-piece that resulted with the addition of Danny Kirwan is the one that defined the Fleetwood Mac legacy.
Also, with mention of the impersonators of Green and Jeremy Spencer: In America in 1974 there was a bogus Fleetwood Mac fielded by band manager Clifford Davis after the Mac took an unplanned break at the start of a tour due to Mick Fleetwood's discovery that singer/guitarist Bob Weston was having an affair with his wife, Jenny Boyd (Pattie's sister). Davis claimed to own the name and thus could determine the members. But the promoters and audiences immediately rejected the idea, as did the real Mac. That bogus band included bassist Paul Martinez, who was later in Robert Plant's early solo band and on his first few albums. Elmer Gantry, who later did some tracks with the Alan Parsons Project, Cozy Powell, and Jon Lord was on vocals. He'd previously had the band Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera, which included John Ford, Richard Hudson, later of the Strawbs and who had hits as Hudson-Ford. Like Fleetwood Mac itself, the bogus band proved to have its own history.
I was at the Guildford 96 show too. Have photos to prove it : ) I found it very emotional. Peter would have only been 50 at the time.
Lovely bloke Danny was , I auditioned with a relative of his many years ago , I got in the band 👍then he disappeared
Thanks Johnny
What was the name of the band??
@@megadave1197 I have no idea seb man , the guy lived in Richmond U.K. and was a iron maiden fan ,he was Irish as well ,nice bloke , he said he was funded by joe Elliot of def leppard😂😂😂I must say I took that with a pinch of rock n roll salt ....he knew a lot about Danny for a time before internet tho .and good afternoon seb man 👋
Met Danny several times in the 90's, he was staying at a dry-out house just off Rotherhite New Road S.London.
He was friends with a tenant and would come around the house.
My tenant was a semi-pro guitarist. Danny was cool, a little nervy but just a nice man from what l saw.
A couple of times he played guitar and even his casual playing was brilliant.
A real musician and a real pleasure to have met him, however briefly.
Got a big smile out of him when l told him 'Jigsaw Puzzle Blues' was my favourite Mac song.
RIP Danny Kirwan
Lovely chat
Thanks Paul
I can't imagine the pressure Danny must have been under. Any other band would have disintegrated once your founder and lead guitar quits. Danny stepped right up to the plate and especially for being so young, is really responsible for there still being a Fleetwood Mac. I read somewhere that Danny, being so young, was not even allowed in the hotel bars with the rest of the band when they toured. They would buy him a case of beer and he would be stuck in the hotel room watching TV.
I’m a big fan of your Channel and support what you and Bob do. Now in the spirit of Danny, I’d love to see a guitar review of a three pickup Les Paul custom. I’m sure you guys can track one down 😉.
Me too - I really want to play one of those guitars!
This is such an interesting interview! Excellent!
The artwork is awesome.
St. Mungo's!? I've been by there so many times. I knew Danny was in a hostel, from a friend who found him there in '96. He often visited a pub nearby, but I never knew where...
God bless Danny L ...
Great stories guys, it's hard when you meet one of your heroes, all of a sudden you freeze up and forget what you want to say. I was lucky enough to meet Peter after a splinter group show and he signed a cd for me. He didn't have much to say, Nigel did most of the talking.
As for Munich the whole band was at the party as they have talked about it in several interviews.
I do believe that Peter and Danny were damaged a bit that night but they also had other issues so everything can't be blamed on that night.
No, the whole band weren't at the party and, according to some accounts, Danny wasn't there.
FYI the person that said that quote about the guitar was The Small Faces Ronnie Lane.
Thanks Lilly
Plonk
Interesting chat. I looked up that Peter Green tribute concert, it was certainly emotional seeing Jeremy Spencer with the group. That probably was the highlight of the show, and there were a lot of great performances. Glad he managed to look after himself, the voice hasn't changed a bit.
Thanks for the comment
the egg and potato guys name was "Harper" as I recall, one of my singers said she had met Peter Green and he wanted to sing with her, I went to the rehearsal and was told I can't mention Fleetwood Mac or ask questions about them, I spoke to the guy for a moment, later he sang / played guitar and had a good voice but 20 years on no one knew what Peter sounded like, his crowd claimed that Eric Clapton and Stan Webb had been to the farm and jammed with him, I was not convinced, a month later he was in the paper as a fraud, I still have the clipping somewhere from the early 1990s ( I still have the single in the skies)
Why do they call the fake Peter Green the "egg and potato" guy?
Peter told me in 97 that if he could then ; Danny and Jeremy would be on stage with him that night
Are you guys familiar with the FM album kiln house. It's quite different from anything they had done before or since. It was imeaditly after peter greens departure. It's my favorite album of all time probably because of the great time in my life when I discovered it in the summer of 1972 . I listened to it on a trip to alaska from seattle on a tugboat. Sounds like Danny's broken arm probably happened in an alcoholic blackout since he couldn't remember how it happened. I'm a ex alcoholic my self and had several injuries that were a mystery to me. What I heard about the interview for burnings book is that danny just said sorry bob I can't help you. To much stress. John lennon said in an interview that americans love affair with guns scared him. He said they walk around with guns like it's an extension of their arms. Sorry for being so long winded guys. I typed this before I finished watching. Hence the commet about burnings interview.
James looks well young !even the beard ,good to have a baby face .
Loved this 👍
"He went his own way to oblivion." Whoever came up with that headline was a meanspirited fool. Ironic that Danny Kirwan's guitar work is appreciated by many people now who have discovered Fleetwood Mac's music over time. That's not oblivion.
Interesting discussion. I don't know that much about the early Fleetwood Mac. The stories of the band are interesting. I think I know about 4 or 5 songs from the original lineup
Thanks for watching
@@TheGuitarShowJust to add: I made a video about Rod Evans the original singer with Deep Purple. Check it out, just type in search bar above... Where is Rod Evans
@@justmadeit2 Great thanks for this I will be very interested in that thanks!
@@TheGuitarShow Cool
James come and do another interview and recount everything you learned prom Peter vernon Kell🙂👍
1. Bob Welch remembered much during that time period, but when pressed about the nature of the argument, he claims he couldn't remember during a Penquin interview. However, he does proudly remember pressing Mick to get rid of Danny shortly after joining the band. He stated Kirwan was messing with everyone's head. I can't speak for anyone else, but this bit of news was upsetting to hear. We're talking about a newcomer to the band who quickly became tight with Mick and was already conspiring against Danny.
2. John McVie in a Penguin interview stated it was a gig in San Diego where Danny refused to go on stage. This information is hard to believe because the band was playing along the eastern section of the US during the month of Sept. in 1972. Perhaps the list of concerts provided on the web during that time period are wrong.
I like it this way
36:15 In that documentary, didn't Jeremy also say Danny was in the back of the car with Peter leaving that Munich hotel?
Peter green always looks tall to me in pics because jeremy spencer is 5'3 and peter in pictures seems quite abit taller than jeremy love the early fleetwood mac i would have loved to have seen them in the 60s R.I.P to danny and peter awesome musicians.
I think James downplays the life-wrecking power of LSD here. Peter was obviously a casualty of that. Quite a coincidence that Danny went the same way at the same time, no? Nobody loses it like that over gunshots etc. Just sayin'.
Given his age, sex, and genealogy, Green might have been susceptible to schizophrenia with or without drug use...there are thoughts that for those susceptible, the drug use can bring out the schizophrenia...or once symptoms emerge, some will turn to drugs in an attempt to self medicate...it's actually disgusting that it appears to have taken 20+ years for Green to have been diagnosed, and treated to the point he could function again...as for the party in Germany, I suspect, but can't prove the whole band and crew probably went...for years, the group claimed only Green went (lovely bandmates...you let your Jewish member go alone to a mansion in Germany, for a drug party, barely 20 years after the war), then the story became Kirwan went too...again, I have a feeling we haven't heard everything about that party, and never will...also believe it wasn't drugs alone, that screwed up Kirwan, something happened to him at that party...think it out, he started drinking after this party...most people drink to forget things...🤔
@@neilm.greenberg4173 Given LSD's intrepid history of messing with people's mental health (and I am one of them) it would be an incredible coincidence that Green and Kirwan went doolally at exactly the same time for some mysterious 'other' reason, wouldn't it? Nobody thought about Green as a Jew especially in those circles. Silly and insulting thoughts about ordinary German people. I guess it's all opinion though.
@@mywholesomechannel agreed. Always suspected bad acid.
Psychedelics can do strong things. Even instantly. But long-term alcohol mixed with depression can truly rewire your brain as well. LSD has powerful effects, but it is the individual human mind and setting that determines how the drug affects that subject that day.
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Danny & Peter 🙏 two of the best! I was trying to find that Vimeo clip, but no luck. Anybody?
Thanks - Ill post the link in the description
@@TheGuitarShow I can't see anything?
Oh Well …Danny’s finest hour
Ps didn’t Danny have a terrible row with Bob welch one night , welch keep on n on about Danny being out of tune , which led to Danny smacking his head up a wall in frustration and temper , also heard Bob welch was horrid to Danny all the time ☹️
Yes there was an incident like your describe and the band were not happy with Danny. I guess in hindsight they should have taken more care of him.
@@TheGuitarShow that's my opinion too. Bob Welch was not a good person indeed
@@TheGuitarShow Little hitlers in bands ,the least talented of the bunch ,it's the only way they can compensate for mediocracy.They hurt ultra sensitive genius players like Danny in ways that are permanent and despicable.
And bleeding Welch ended up topping himself. He must have been a real hoot.
@@helmutsecke3529 over the years I’ve heard many a bad story about several members of the Mac , everyone has there bad days or bad years , just a bloody shame they put Danny out to dry , even watching Peter greens son interview the German guy who was with pete in Munich, says Peter was in top form mentally, he just had enough of the music industry bullshit , which for blues players is very true , we all hate the music industry 😂😂😂😂✌️
Was Danny still receiving any royalties. Did Fleetwood help him out financially?
I read somewhere that Mick said he was getting his royalty checks. But, let's see the canceled checks.
I can imagine members of Fleetwood Mac saying things to Danny Kirwan that were insulting and hurtful. The reaction Kirwan gave regarding Green..."Hes not my friend " is telling...because when you have a falling out with a band and many years later you actually feel perhaps that they were not your friends.
It makes sense. Christine McVie had a few negative comments about Danny Kirwan. Interestingly though...there are about 5 or 6 photographs of Christine McVie and Danny Kirwan sitting next to each other where she is looking at him in a romantic way. Perhaps its just accidental or perhaps im misreading the whole thing.
I used to get the impression that she tried to get close to Danny Kirwan , but couldn't. Yet Danny Kirwan helped her with her first solo album...possibly by producing and writing /playing her stuff.
The Munich incident has often been attributed to Kirwan and Green being permanently mentally ill after they took Acid that was supposedly laced with something else. Something that affected both of them. Something which lingered and affected their mental state...however...there are people who claim that Danny Kirwan wasnt there.
Bob Welch stated..." Danny Kirwan used to go off by himself and stay in a room for hours writing" " He was the weirdest person i ever met" Thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard in my life! Really? I mean..what do you do when you compose serious music? Sit in front of everyone? Bob Welch obviously had a mentality existing in the social environment of California where everything is open and everything is shared amongst people. Unfortunately thats not what a lot of great writers do. Its completely normal to lock yourself in a room for hours to master a composition. To compose...to create something unique. Bob Welch's position was moronic
My personal thought is that Bob welch came into the band with a cocky attitude and that completely clashed with Danny. Then, like a ticking time bomb he went off on Welch and the rest of the band. As somebody mentioned further up this thread, it seems odd there are not more details on what happened that night when Danny got fired.
@@t.p.9232 Cocky yes, but cunning and ambitious at the same time.
Man ..... if you sit next to Danny Kirwan on a bench .. you have many kind of ways to ask him questions, on a very relax way, just sit next to him not stare in his eyes just chillin and ask questions .
All that bull crap to treat him like a barbie doll, not asking questions ..... now he's gone and there are so many questions out there , it's a shame really, it's a fucking shame
if you haven't seen it, the "one Sunny day" rehearsal video!
with french narration..
short
but what an absolute gem 🙂
I agree David
@@TheGuitarShow i like to show support for anyone remembering danny Kirwan..
that quiver in his voice..
like on um..
..something inside of me, for example.. 🙂 x
@@TheGuitarShow sorry..
gonna blabber on a bit..
saw Peter green in the mid eighties in my home town of Cardiff and it is memorable for the wrong reasons..
and then in the noughties moved to Oxford and considered moving to London but didn't..
i've wondered because i became homeless in Oxford if i would've become homeless in London..?? 🙂 😉
..and from there my imagination kicks in! lol
Thanks for the messages David - yes I imagine homeless in Oxford is far better than homeless in London if one were to choose a city
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@@TheGuitarShow thankyou..
back in Cardiff now and caring for my mother.
big improvement for me,
thanks for your work here 🙂
and taking time to reply.
Great stuff. Would have liked more info on his time with FM after Peter left (Esp Welch period) but I know this was more about personal,experiences.
Bob Welch couldn't hold a candle to Danny
Danny was a brilliant guitarist he and Peter were the soul of Mac