her enthusiasm is infectious. I wish more museum workers and educators were not afraid to show thier delight in art and history. Less "I am the stuffy expert." She is "Nothing makes me happier than sharing with you my joy!"
Many artworks have been copied. This is just some lady saying Leonardo did this in a hidden room. But it has a window. Not many hidden, secret rooms have windows. 😂
She was so manufactured though. Nuns out of the convent do tend to go a bit OTT. Our school trips showed us grown women behaving like children. But in old fashioned costumes and veils. And put them near a man and many went all 'girly'. Sad and puzzling to us schoolgirls.
Enthusiasm, yes, accurate knowledge of the works she discussed, no. She decided she knew what the artist had in mind for every painting she talked about, but it was obvious to me, if no one else, that it was mostly in her head, and not what the artist was thinking. I used to have fierce arguments with some guy named Lane, back when she was on. I seriously dislike people who aren't artists, claiming to know what an artist they never met meant to represent...how could someone without particular experiences in life explain those experiences? Seems unlikely.
I didn't even know Michlangelo had a bunker, that's awesome. In his place I would probably have drawn a landscape to pretend I was outdoors, but he was probably sneaking out at night for supplies so he might have sat in a public/Medici garden then, right under their noses.
Wouldn’t he have been a bit more thorough than throwing off a few quick sketches of things he’d already done if he was locked up in there for months? This he could have done in a day or less. Is it likely that he had bragged about these rough sketches in his memoirs, the perfectionist he was? I think the authenticity of this is debatable to say the least.
@@ITcanB It’s pretty typical in Catholic culture to conjure up attractions for financial gains. They even claim they have the house of the virgin Mary in Loreto, saying it flew from Nazareth (with a couple of stopovers) to Loreto. That’s not the most absurd claim. Everything goes if it makes a dime. ;)
@@zaxmaxlax Reading about this “Grotto” you find out that this is just assumed to be the place mentioned in his bio. Nobody had any idea where it was until they supposedly stumbled upon this. The proof? There are these sketches on the walls. I find this all very suspect.
I believe its his artwork down there. In despair and fear one cannot be perfect. This could be his artwork while he thought he was going to be killed. Possibly in darkness as well since someone might notice when the windows are open and maybe in the day it was closed almost entirely. With little tools ad materials he could have used anything he could salvage to sketch those. Most of his artwork are sculptures and his drawings are his secondary.
As said, they were found in the 70’s, so nothing new here. I went down there in 1990, wanting to believe. But in truth, the drawings are full of weaknesses you don’t see in his work elsewhere.
@@billgreen1861 A person of that time would have likely been familiar with drawing in low light. The person we're talking about was one of the greatest masters of all time. He would have seen the flaws in his own work once the sun came through that little window. If we can, he surely would have.
@@billgreen1861 Of course, and all the other extenuating circumstances. It isn’t so much the weaknesses in the depictions, as in the ‘hand’ which is without fail elsewhere, while weak and even crude here. He was also a Neo- Platonist - even his ‘unfinished’ work is left without these kinds of deep flaws evident. And remember, he had bad light, was often in pain, working on a curved surface and in the unforgiving medium of fresco on the Sistine ceiling.
That host keeps on trying to draw attention back to himself and is interrupting the curator/museum director at her best moments with this frantic, distractive energy that erodes the magnitude of those moments.
Each country mispronounces other languages. The French call London, Londres. The English call Deutchland, Germany. The U S Americans mispronounce Iraq and Iran. I find mispronounciations of English endearing. I live in Spain and always have to correct myself with odd words like, ironically, difícil. The English stress being on the 1st syllable.😂
@@helenamcginty4920 False equivalence. Londres and Germany are not mispronounced words: these are alternative names for cities and countries. Other examples are the English Rome and Florence for Roma and Firenze. Some languages also have alternative names for some fictional characters and real people from history, but the Medici family (and Michelangelo) don't have an English equivalent, and someone who is as highly educated in the subject as this guy should really make the effort to approximate the actual pronunciation of these names.
@@helenamcginty4920 The English call Livorno Leghorn, the Italians call Paris Parigi, and the Americans mispronouce almost everything (remember Oscar Wilde's comment). One really needs scholars and teachers to pronounce things properly, though, don't you think? I've lived in Italy for 35 years and am a director of an art academy in Florence-it's important to teach people the correct pronunciations of names and words.
I`m sorry but she didn`t speak at all about the technique of those drawings. It looks like charcoal. How did charcoal resist on a dry wall for 5 centuries? I was an Art student for 14 years, and I`ve done drawings in charcoal on paper. Without some kind of fixative spray it`s just dust, easy to blow away. I also paint al fresco technique, and if it would have been a wet wall of lime and the drawings would have been painted in the fresh plaster, yes they could have lasted this long. But most of all we cannont recognize in these sketches the genius master in drawing and anatomy, that Michelangelo was.
Exactly. I live here. It's 90% infuriating. Amateur 'enthusiasm' carries the day so the uninitiated come away thinking how knowledgeable how passionate etc grrrr when every fricking artist is desperately depressed 90% of the time and only? the Works drag us out of it. -which of course, the Tour Guides never grasp. Godspeed.
Utter nonsense. A secret chamber with a window to the streets. And charcoal drawings surviving for 500 years. Over pristine 500 yrs old walls. People are so gullible these days
I mean it's pronounced with a stress on ME-dici... Though I'm not Italian there are zillions of Italian immigrants in my country an lots and lots of Medicis. Even one of our presidents was one Medici haha.
Have to laugh... It looks like the rooms of the art college rooming house i managed. Great stuff i hated to paint over with the Kilz. Fresh pallet for next gifted guest.
Ever heard of pedantry? Im a bit of a grammar pedant but do try, not always sucessfully, not to comment as often it seems so "look at me I am better educated than yow." (Uk comedy reference)
@@helenamcginty4920 Ever heard of people - particularly highly educated people who speak in public for a living - making at least an effort to pronounce foreign words properly? Particularly the name of one of the world's best-known artists, whose work is currently being discussed.
As for this room; What is the purpose of keeping it from the public? "Hey, we've gto a newly-found work of art, but we're not showing it to anyone." That's just ridiculous and, no individual or group has the right to hid/keep history from the public. OPEN THE DOOR TO ALL!!!!!
I don't think that's his work. He was a genius and I'm seeing nothing but sketches. This is work that a proficient figure studio student could do today. Someone copied sketches of his work on to the walls. That's why they're recognizable.
@@kevinpoole6122 My opinion is based on seven years of dedicated figure studio work, six university level art history classes, and an art degree. So, yes my brain...which was educated about this particular subject. I've done many assignments where I had to copy the masters. This is not his work. This looks like the work of a proficient student.
@@aimeeinkling Oh, my goodness! And oh me, oh my, Miss Aimee Inkling! I had absolutely no way of knowing -and far less any inkling-of the vast wealth of historical wisdom and knowledge instilled by exactly “six” courses at an anonymous university (with “seven” years extra credit for sketching studio nudes), otherwise I would have still responded to your post exactly as I did. Don’t come to a gunfight armed with a knife, cupcake. 🧁 Have a very lovely day, won’t you?
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I’d settle for a BBC graphic designer who knew the Greek alphabet.
her enthusiasm is infectious. I wish more museum workers and educators were not afraid to show thier delight in art and history. Less "I am the stuffy expert." She is "Nothing makes me happier than sharing with you my joy!"
She may be a bit less vivacious on a regular workday without tv cameras :)
Dont fool yourself, she acts like a crazy person. Look at her crazy eyes.
She showed nothing of substance. No evidence. I can make up scenarios all day.
Many artworks have been copied. This is just some lady saying Leonardo did this in a hidden room. But it has a window. Not many hidden, secret rooms have windows. 😂
You are infectious. We all are infectious. Infectious is the new word. Long live the infectious
I saw this chapel a number of years ago. I think it is actually the saddest place I have ever been. Magnificent and full of loss.
How in the world were people walking by that window for 400 years and nobody knew about the room? Was the window blocked off and the room sealed?
Fools will believe this fraud in the making.
Thank you. Florence has always been on the list.
I last visited this chapel in 1972, before they discovered the hiding spot. How fascinating.
The chapel is amazing as is all of Florence and its art.
Sister Wendy Beckett used to present Art history with enthusiasm like this on PBS . Great series. Rhanks fornthis video.
She was so manufactured though.
Nuns out of the convent do tend to go a bit OTT.
Our school trips showed us grown women behaving like children. But in old fashioned costumes and veils. And put them near a man and many went all 'girly'. Sad and puzzling to us schoolgirls.
Enthusiasm, yes, accurate knowledge of the works she discussed, no. She decided she knew what the artist had in mind for every painting she talked about, but it was obvious to me, if no one else, that it was mostly in her head, and not what the artist was thinking. I used to have fierce arguments with some guy named Lane, back when she was on. I seriously dislike people who aren't artists, claiming to know what an artist they never met meant to represent...how could someone without particular experiences in life explain those experiences? Seems unlikely.
Goosebumps.
- Thank you for this.
I visited Florence and this basilica in June 2024. It houses the tombs of many luminaries. It's an amazing place!
Utterly fascinating, I has honestly only read about the cell/chamber,but,had no idea of the drawings.
This is breathtaking!
I love that chapel. Thanks for this video!
You're welcome, we're glad you enjoyed it!
The night and day interpretation is very insightful.
A "Secret Bunker" that has a window that no one could find for centuries. Heavy sigh 🙄😴😒
Keep in mind that these buildings have been redesigned across the centuries. It's possible that the window was added more recently.
UNBELEAVABLE !!!!
Okay, she is fabulous...
I didn't even know Michlangelo had a bunker, that's awesome. In his place I would probably have drawn a landscape to pretend I was outdoors, but he was probably sneaking out at night for supplies so he might have sat in a public/Medici garden then, right under their noses.
This was so awesome!
Wow. He was terrified for his life, hiding. I can relate
That IS incredible!!!❤
Hmmm. Not sure I'm 100% convinced. I'd like to see more footage of those drawings...
i'm with you, seems a little off to me, particularly the choice to create a 'best of michelangelo' down there
Thanks, interesting…
That is amazing.
Wow 😮
He expresses in his drawing what was really happening in the real world. I believe
Michelangelo artwork expression is phenomenal! Not sure about his bunker. Was he hiding behind the scene?
How exciting
*FYI ROOM STARTS AT **3:00*
How can you visit this room? There was some talk about it being open to the public in 2024 but there is no info about it.
It's de ME di ci, not de me DI ci..😂
As pronounced by Monica.
Thanks Hermione..
Wouldn’t he have been a bit more thorough than throwing off a few quick sketches of things he’d already done if he was locked up in there for months? This he could have done in a day or less. Is it likely that he had bragged about these rough sketches in his memoirs, the perfectionist he was? I think the authenticity of this is debatable to say the least.
I agree if he was in there for 3 months the walls would have been covered with drawings over drawings ❤
@@ITcanB It’s pretty typical in Catholic culture to conjure up attractions for financial gains. They even claim they have the house of the virgin Mary in Loreto, saying it flew from Nazareth (with a couple of stopovers) to Loreto. That’s not the most absurd claim. Everything goes if it makes a dime. ;)
Are you kidding? He was hiding for his life! Terrified. Not lying around wondering what to do next.
Exatcly. Why would he sketch things he already done years ago? Also, nobody tried to look for him literally in the basement 😂
@@zaxmaxlax Reading about this “Grotto” you find out that this is just assumed to be the place mentioned in his bio. Nobody had any idea where it was until they supposedly stumbled upon this. The proof? There are these sketches on the walls. I find this all very suspect.
I believe its his artwork down there. In despair and fear one cannot be perfect. This could be his artwork while he thought he was going to be killed. Possibly in darkness as well since someone might notice when the windows are open and maybe in the day it was closed almost entirely. With little tools ad materials he could have used anything he could salvage to sketch those. Most of his artwork are sculptures and his drawings are his secondary.
sorry guys, i put those there. i was a lil buzzed
If that were true, the drawings would be stick men,🤡🤡🤡
I can't accuse this of being awe inspiring.
Dude, take a chill pill!
👍
Exactly! I wonder what he's like when he is excited!
@@georgealderson4424 I wouldn't even want to see that! 😁
@@lidijabirsa7768Haha! He'd probably explode!
As said, they were found in the 70’s, so nothing new here. I went down there in 1990, wanting to believe. But in truth, the drawings are full of weaknesses you don’t see in his work elsewhere.
Agreed.
Perhaps, because it was too dark inside the bunker, maybe even lit by one tiny candle.
Have you thought of that ?
@@billgreen1861 A person of that time would have likely been familiar with drawing in low light. The person we're talking about was one of the greatest masters of all time. He would have seen the flaws in his own work once the sun came through that little window. If we can, he surely would have.
Yeah, I'm not convinced yet.
@@billgreen1861 Of course, and all the other extenuating circumstances. It isn’t so much the weaknesses in the depictions, as in the ‘hand’ which is without fail elsewhere, while weak and even crude here. He was also a Neo- Platonist - even his ‘unfinished’ work is left without these kinds of deep flaws evident.
And remember, he had bad light, was often in pain, working on a curved surface and in the unforgiving medium of fresco on the Sistine ceiling.
simply amazing! that every youtube viewer is an art expert smh
My thoughts as well. 😂
I don't see anyone claiming to be an art expert, only you making vague accusations at people you don't know. Idiotic much?
Interesting video, but I really wish that producers and hosts of programs on Italian art would pronounce “Medici” correctly.
British think they know how to pronounce but…
That host keeps on trying to draw attention back to himself and is interrupting the curator/museum director at her best moments with this frantic, distractive energy that erodes the magnitude of those moments.
Yes! Why have an expert as a guest if you don’t give her a chance to share her expertise?
She isnt giving much details. So I understand his frustration at her gleefully empty words.
I wish the British would learn how to pronounce "Medici" correctly. It's MED-ee-chee. The accent is on the first syllable.
Thank you, that honestly hurts my ears every time I hear it... only reason I'm in this comment section!
Few comments above says it’s ME-dee-chee. Seems to be a common issue.
Each country mispronounces other languages. The French call London, Londres. The English call Deutchland, Germany. The U S Americans mispronounce Iraq and Iran. I find mispronounciations of English endearing.
I live in Spain and always have to correct myself with odd words like, ironically, difícil. The English stress being on the 1st syllable.😂
@@helenamcginty4920 False equivalence. Londres and Germany are not mispronounced words: these are alternative names for cities and countries. Other examples are the English Rome and Florence for Roma and Firenze.
Some languages also have alternative names for some fictional characters and real people from history, but the Medici family (and Michelangelo) don't have an English equivalent, and someone who is as highly educated in the subject as this guy should really make the effort to approximate the actual pronunciation of these names.
@@helenamcginty4920 The English call Livorno Leghorn, the Italians call Paris Parigi, and the Americans mispronouce almost everything (remember Oscar Wilde's comment). One really needs scholars and teachers to pronounce things properly, though, don't you think? I've lived in Italy for 35 years and am a director of an art academy in Florence-it's important to teach people the correct pronunciations of names and words.
I love Monica's voice... she should do voice overs for cartoons
He didn’t have paper?
Who brought him food and water?
How did he clean himself?
Someone knew where he was.
Indeed. Has someone really wanted to find him, a modicum of effort would have been all that was required.
He said bathing was unhealthy.
I`m sorry but she didn`t speak at all about the technique of those drawings. It looks like charcoal. How did charcoal resist on a dry wall for 5 centuries? I was an Art student for 14 years, and I`ve done drawings in charcoal on paper. Without some kind of fixative spray it`s just dust, easy to blow away. I also paint al fresco technique, and if it would have been a wet wall of lime and the drawings would have been painted in the fresh plaster, yes they could have lasted this long. But most of all we cannont recognize in these sketches the genius master in drawing and anatomy, that Michelangelo was.
Exactly. I live here. It's 90% infuriating. Amateur 'enthusiasm' carries the day so the uninitiated come away thinking how knowledgeable how passionate etc grrrr when every fricking artist is desperately depressed 90% of the time and only? the Works drag us out of it. -which of course, the Tour Guides never grasp. Godspeed.
Michelangelo used a permanent marker. In middle Italian the term is sharpie-el-fresco. That’s how it survived so well 🧐
These drawings were not made by the great Michelangelo
Utter nonsense. A secret chamber with a window to the streets. And charcoal drawings surviving for 500 years. Over pristine 500 yrs old walls. People are so gullible these days
I would assume it is magnesium or silverpoint
I mean it's pronounced with a stress on ME-dici... Though I'm not Italian there are zillions of Italian immigrants in my country an lots and lots of Medicis. Even one of our presidents was one Medici haha.
So, has the authenticity been established?
Just believe. It’s on TV after all.
Have to laugh... It looks like the rooms of the art college rooming house i managed. Great stuff i hated to paint over with the Kilz. Fresh pallet for next gifted guest.
His hair is exquisite
I must confess... I did zee drawings while drunk on chianti and lost in zee building.. Forgive me for zee ruse
As usual mispronounced. MICK. not MIKE. MEDitchy.. Not MedEEEchee. So boring
I was literally shouting that at my screen.... it HURTS
Ever heard of pedantry?
Im a bit of a grammar pedant but do try, not always sucessfully, not to comment as often it seems so "look at me I am better educated than yow." (Uk comedy reference)
@@helenamcginty4920 Ever heard of people - particularly highly educated people who speak in public for a living - making at least an effort to pronounce foreign words properly? Particularly the name of one of the world's best-known artists, whose work is currently being discussed.
Hidden not lost.
Yes, because when you lost your car keys and searched and eventually found them you totally said: "Ah they were just hidden."
"Long lost"? If nobody knew about them, they weren't lost, were they? They simply hadn't been discovered yet. (...smh...)
they are correct that it's "lost", since the people who knew about it already died centuries ago so it's been lost in reference to them.
This woman is crazy.
I think the woman is adorable!
"Long lost"? Seriously? No proof.
“What a moroon.” - Bugs Bunny
As for this room; What is the purpose of keeping it from the public? "Hey, we've gto a newly-found work of art, but we're not showing it to anyone." That's just ridiculous and, no individual or group has the right to hid/keep history from the public. OPEN THE DOOR TO ALL!!!!!
She is adorable
they dont look like his drawings
Ugh - five minutes of gushing and frantic orchestration. The producers clearly didn't think a calm discussion of the art was enough.
He had a man cave😂
Show the Works not the human talking. V.o. Hullo?
That's my one gripe about the video--barely shows the drawings, focuses on the people talking, as if that's what the subject of the video is.
Cringe
STOP SAYING, "MICHAEL ANGELO" THAT IS NOT HIS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think that's his work. He was a genius and I'm seeing nothing but sketches. This is work that a proficient figure studio student could do today. Someone copied sketches of his work on to the walls. That's why they're recognizable.
And the basis for your oh so erudite opinion comes from…your very own brain, I presume? Just amazing!
@@kevinpoole6122 My opinion is based on seven years of dedicated figure studio work, six university level art history classes, and an art degree. So, yes my brain...which was educated about this particular subject.
I've done many assignments where I had to copy the masters. This is not his work. This looks like the work of a proficient student.
@@aimeeinkling Oh, my goodness! And oh me, oh my, Miss Aimee Inkling! I had absolutely no way of knowing -and far less any inkling-of the vast wealth of historical wisdom and knowledge instilled by exactly “six” courses at an anonymous university (with “seven” years extra credit for sketching studio nudes), otherwise I would have still responded to your post exactly as I did.
Don’t come to a gunfight armed with a knife, cupcake. 🧁 Have a very lovely day, won’t you?
@@kevinpoole6122let's examine your brain, shall we?
That’s a bold statement. Are you an art historian? Visited the site? Participated in the authentication of Michelangelo’s other artwork?
Timsstdmr.
Yeah, BBC, how about learning the Greek alphabet?
Low quality work from the BBC, and Dr. Scott seems so "wet" not like a knowledgeable scholar at all.
Wow
Wow!!