If you feel so strongly then UA-cam comments is not the place to effect change. What, you think the museum is going to see your comment on a BBC video? Contact the museum directly instead of wasting your time writing UA-cam comments.
@@radish6691 I'm not starting a campaign, i expressed an opinion i had which is what the comment section is for. If you think it's so pointless, how facile is your comment criticising my comment.
I was lucky enough to go down in there while studying in Florence in 1988, just before they decided to close it to the public for decades. Some of the drawing that he did are borderline surreal. You can tell he was going a bit looney in there. Oh, btw, he would be insulted to be labeled a "master painter". He considered himself a sculptor first and foremost. Julius really destroyed his enjoyment with the painting medium.
@timliddy1 why is there any debate if it is his or not? when you visited it, were you there to study it as his work? Super hard to get a scope of the work with this crappy camera work but I'll look into it more
@@perryroobay I was an art student taking classes in Florence in 1988. They had just opened it to the public about four years earlier, but they already knew that it was pretty fragile. The answer to your question about why it is so important to put Michelangelo’s stamp on it is that he was among the greatest artist of his day and even today. There will always be our historians who want to bang the drum, whether it is his work or not. When I was down there, I did not have nearly the sophistication of analyzing what could’ve been his drawings or somebody else is drawings down there. Now, when I look at these drawings, there’s no question they are from Michelangelo. There are few artists that can draw like Michelangelo because he knew the forms so well. He was drawing not just the silhouette of the figure but through the form, behind the form,and the lines went into their insertions on the bone. Only sculptors can really do this because they know anatomy so well.
@@mangohwy you were pretty fortunate to get down there in 2002 because I know that there was very limited access. It’s crazy how small that area is. In the video it looks so much larger, but I was only down there for about a half hour and I started really getting claustrophobic.
@@timliddy1 good lesson to be thankful for all experiences. It also could have been in the mid 90s during another trip with my folks. I’m no artist and to a teenager the significance was definitely lost on me. But everyone can relate to escaping to a little cave to be away from it all
The editing and camera work feels so out of sync with what's being discussed and makes it difficult to get a full image of the room, the drawings, and the building.
Thats called Cinematography & Film Technique which involves : 1.Extreme long shot 2.Bird’s eye shot 3.Long shot 4.Medium shot 5.Close up shot 6.Extreme close up shot 7.Dutch angle shot 8.Over-the-shoulder shot 8.Tilt shot 9.Panning shot 10.Zoom shot 11.Crane shot 12.Tracking shot 12.Point-of-view shot Its reason as in this case , is to protray a ( vague ) overview of the Context , that being... a detailed Historical Artifact , which they want you to come and see for yourself. Its bait and switch , to wet the palette .
"What spirit is so empty and blind as not to recognize that the foot is more noble than the shoe and the skin more beautiful than the garment in which it is dressed?" Michelangelo Buonarroti
"What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?" Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
@AlanCanon2222 Bravo, Feynman and Michelangelo seem like such different people, the first a modern scientist and the second a Renaissance artist, but in these quotes they were expressing the same concept
Gosh BBC showing us extremely zoomed in and then the room from a kilometer away really 😂 great camera work did you guy's strap a go pro on a dog and had him run around the room for a bit.
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Italy should be declared UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE. All of it so that food, art, ancient architetecture and everything in between becomes a worl heritage and protected.
That’s the first thing that came to mind. It would need to be way more protected to safely show them to the public with lunatics like those people running around.
The mysterious Leonardo, who was vegetarian and had some trace of pantheistic and naturalist ideas (underlying to those of the common artistic and intellectual circles of the Renaissance Italy), is more aligned with my ideas and interests. Nonetheless, I must confess proudly that I am totally in love with MIchelangelo so much. 😊❤
If Leo had Mike’s work ethic, and if Mike had Leo’s humility and outgoing personality, they both have been unstoppable. They were two sides destined to be of the same coin, only never to join…..
@@stocktonnash Donatello was a Ninja turtle but also a renaissance artist. Nonetheless he doesn't match with the others (Michelangelo, Leonardo and Raphael) because he really wasn't as important as the others three. Renaissance personalities as Bramante, Brunelleschi or León Bautista Alberti would match better with the others three, respecting Donatello though.
@ no, but there’s historical records of such. During his life time he was a social pariah - he wasn’t appreciated the way he is now until after his lifetime.
@@thehipmusicologistMichelangelo was recognized as one of the greatest artists of all time when he was still alive, and he worked for the most important patrons of his time. When he died, they already called him "the universal artist"
His students, for example 12 assisted him with the statue of David under his supervision. They considered it a privilege, scaffold erecting,grinding paint paste ,making and cleaning brushes,coloring in backgrounds etc.. Sourcing materials for work of that scale was demanding in itself. This freed the master to concentrate on the more skilled work which remains unequalled l agree
the Italians love big stories we saw no pic of when it was found in 1975 nothing and he used many assistants to do his work for him so who knows who did these scan them preserve them and leave it at that
I hate when I see this stuff I’ve been to Florence multiple times. I’ve been to Italy a bunch of times in Rome all over I was in that church, but I never heard anything about
Very interesting. It must have been fascinating to uncover those wall drawings. 1:13 - "The room was used for storage until it was discovered behind a trap door in 1975..." - Something doesn't add up here. How could they use it for storage when they hadn't yet discovered the room?
i think they meant that the room that had the trapdoor was the store room so no one suspected there was even more room~ especially if it was a wooden floor that was meant to be secret to begin with it probably blended in well withthe rest of the floor until someone discovered it
Michelangelo and DaVinci would’ve been incredible mangakas. Obviously they had their sights set higher than just comic book artists of sorts, but still it would’ve been great to see what kind of visual stories they would tell if that medium were really popular back then in that part of the world.
First of all it would have been correct to communicate that this discovery was made in 1975 by Paolo Dal Poggetto and that the restauration was made by Sabino Giovannoni. Second point, I wonder way in this short video only women are presenting the story? I find a discrimination to let only women talk of art, it’s plenty of excellent historians and experts keen to talk.
Trapped in a room and draws multiple images of men in various stages of undress…and despite this and those female statues in that Medici tomb the debate on whether Michelangelo was gay still goes on 😂😂😂
Michelangelo di Lobotomico Buonarroti Simoni, known monogamously as Michelangelo, was an underrated gay sculptor, painter, architect and poet of the High Renaissance, whose depictions of muscular men remain popular in gay subculture. Born in the Socialist Republic of Florence, his work was inspired by models from classical antiquity and had a lasting influence on Mr. Donald Trump.
It took me almost ten minutes of googling and reading up on “pxxp” sequence of amino acids before I finally realized what your comment meant 🤦♂️ Pretty embarrassing
Given his upbringing and knowledge being stuck in the 16th century, he would not be able to even grasp what AI is or what it does - but he would probably think the visual output is sacrilegious (due to being basically mashed up plagiarism).
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Please for the love of all things, 3D scan it in hyper detail for all of posterity. Things like this should be digitally preserved. We have the tech.
No
@@danielfernandeznungaray8996 I would like to see my culture preserved, thanks.
If you feel so strongly then UA-cam comments is not the place to effect change. What, you think the museum is going to see your comment on a BBC video? Contact the museum directly instead of wasting your time writing UA-cam comments.
@@radish6691 I'm not starting a campaign, i expressed an opinion i had which is what the comment section is for. If you think it's so pointless, how facile is your comment criticising my comment.
@ You expressed an opinion by pleading to the BBC? Regardless, my comment was advisory and obviously as useless as your original comment.
Basically a private studio and study, living place and a hiding hole as well. Fascinating.
with no light
***storage closet
@@tatechasers2393except for that window 🪟….
@tatechasers2393 Candles and oil lamps.
manhole
I was lucky enough to go down in there while studying in Florence in 1988, just before they decided to close it to the public for decades. Some of the drawing that he did are borderline surreal. You can tell he was going a bit looney in there. Oh, btw, he would be insulted to be labeled a "master painter". He considered himself a sculptor first and foremost. Julius really destroyed his enjoyment with the painting medium.
@timliddy1 why is there any debate if it is his or not? when you visited it, were you there to study it as his work? Super hard to get a scope of the work with this crappy camera work but I'll look into it more
I went down there in 2002 on a college trip. They mentioned it was a special experience and not open to public, but still seemed somewhat accessible.
@@perryroobay I was an art student taking classes in Florence in 1988. They had just opened it to the public about four years earlier, but they already knew that it was pretty fragile. The answer to your question about why it is so important to put Michelangelo’s stamp on it is that he was among the greatest artist of his day and even today. There will always be our historians who want to bang the drum, whether it is his work or not. When I was down there, I did not have nearly the sophistication of analyzing what could’ve been his drawings or somebody else is drawings down there. Now, when I look at these drawings, there’s no question they are from Michelangelo. There are few artists that can draw like Michelangelo because he knew the forms so well. He was drawing not just the silhouette of the figure but through the form, behind the form,and the lines went into their insertions on the bone. Only sculptors can really do this because they know anatomy so well.
@@mangohwy you were pretty fortunate to get down there in 2002 because I know that there was very limited access. It’s crazy how small that area is. In the video it looks so much larger, but I was only down there for about a half hour and I started really getting claustrophobic.
@@timliddy1 good lesson to be thankful for all experiences. It also could have been in the mid 90s during another trip with my folks. I’m no artist and to a teenager the significance was definitely lost on me. But everyone can relate to escaping to a little cave to be away from it all
This isn’t true. Michelangelo hung out in the sewers with his other turtle brothers. Everyone knows this.
Fake news as always..
This is where Michelangelo got the idea 💡! Cowabunga, dudes!!
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How DARE you mock Italian art's greatest spirit! You Philistine! You, unlettered imbecile! You make me want to SMOKE! Not funny! Not one bit.
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In the corner you can just make out the words “Mike was here”
The editing and camera work feels so out of sync with what's being discussed and makes it difficult to get a full image of the room, the drawings, and the building.
Thats called Cinematography & Film Technique which involves :
1.Extreme long shot
2.Bird’s eye shot
3.Long shot
4.Medium shot
5.Close up shot
6.Extreme close up shot
7.Dutch angle shot
8.Over-the-shoulder shot
8.Tilt shot
9.Panning shot
10.Zoom shot
11.Crane shot
12.Tracking shot
12.Point-of-view shot
Its reason as in this case , is to protray a ( vague ) overview of the Context , that being... a detailed Historical Artifact , which they want you to come and see for yourself.
Its bait and switch , to wet the palette .
How could you not show his view through the small window?
And....how could no one have noticed that window for all these years from the outside as well .?
"What spirit is so empty and blind as not to recognize that the foot is more noble than the shoe and the skin more beautiful than the garment in which it is dressed?"
Michelangelo Buonarroti
"What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?"
Richard Feynman (1918-1988)
@AlanCanon2222 Bravo, Feynman and Michelangelo seem like such different people, the first a modern scientist and the second a Renaissance artist, but in these quotes they were expressing the same concept
"If ye were gods, ye could then be ashamed of clothing." -Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra
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So fascinating! Thank you!
Wow that's cool they were able to find this and now letting the people look at them as well
after the room has been sanitized of any evidence of what when on in there.
@@LeahSelmanwhat do you think went on there? And who exactly wants it hidden? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know.
The man had no television or cell phone no internet.. books and mind, and creative thought.. how I wish
So fascinating.
Beautiful documentary
I wanted to visit this last time I was in Florence, but it isn't open very often for tours and thr tickets sell out immediately.
Merci du partage! La culture du corps à travers les âges... Stéph.
What do you do when you are stressed?
That is who you are...he was compelled to draw always create ALWAYS ❤
Gosh BBC showing us extremely zoomed in and then the room from a kilometer away really 😂 great camera work did you guy's strap a go pro on a dog and had him run around the room for a bit.
This room is so my aesthetic. ❤
It was Michaelangelo's personal man cave , where he did what he loved 😁
😮❤❤amazing artist 😊
Can't believe a ninja turtle hid there! Amazing
Cowabunga
They were comfortable living underground
Turtle power, bro
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These are Fake Michaels
This isn’t true. Michelangelo
Fake
These are Fake Michaels
This isn’t true. Michelangelo
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These are Fake Michaels
This isn’t true. Michelangelo
"The statue is already in the block of marble. All I do is chip away the bits that aren't required."
Michelangelo
how amazing!
Fantastic. I am going.
thats kind of cool tbh (:
Italy should be declared UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE. All of it so that food, art, ancient architetecture and everything in between becomes a worl heritage and protected.
I have a secret room,,,so secret cant say what goes in there😂
I'm reminded of the Barabar caves in India
Wow!
Historians are caught in "the paralysis of analysis" - even in this short video it's pretty obvious who the artist was.
When man or men get involved, you get into conflict. Case in point: the Bible. It is like trying to hear the truth on any news program today.
His sculptures are AMAZING!!!
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The Cathedral shown at 0:03 is not the Medicci one, but Santa Maria del Fiore
Scary to think of some of the crazy people destroying these sketches to make a political point.
That’s the first thing that came to mind. It would need to be way more protected to safely show them to the public with lunatics like those people running around.
Demonic energy destroying peoples gifts to god and the people.
@@Da4knessFall5Amen
The mysterious Leonardo, who was vegetarian and had some trace of pantheistic and naturalist ideas (underlying to those of the common artistic and intellectual circles of the Renaissance Italy), is more aligned with my ideas and interests. Nonetheless, I must confess proudly that I am totally in love with MIchelangelo so much. 😊❤
Aren’t all turtles vegetarians?Donatello is my favourite.
If Leo had Mike’s work ethic, and if Mike had Leo’s humility and outgoing personality, they both have been unstoppable. They were two sides destined to be of the same coin, only never to join…..
@@stocktonnash Donatello was a Ninja turtle but also a renaissance artist. Nonetheless he doesn't match with the others (Michelangelo, Leonardo and Raphael) because he really wasn't as important as the others three. Renaissance personalities as Bramante, Brunelleschi or León Bautista Alberti would match better with the others three, respecting Donatello though.
Did he bring cadavers there? Since he did study the human anatomy to be better at sculpting ut.
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Yeah, but at the time everyone made fun of him- he was the town weirdo.
Were you there?
@ no, but there’s historical records of such. During his life time he was a social pariah - he wasn’t appreciated the way he is now until after his lifetime.
@thehipmusicologist which historical records?
@@ca-bt6mx who what when where. Coulda. Shoulda. Woulda.
@@thehipmusicologistMichelangelo was recognized as one of the greatest artists of all time when he was still alive, and he worked for the most important patrons of his time.
When he died, they already called him "the universal artist"
Watch The Agony and the Ecstasy, Greatest film on Michaelangelo. I Love that Movie on Great Artist
It's was actually Matt Damon's janitorial closet.
I feel like I’m in an Animus in Assassin Creed 😮
That secret room lools like the ones in Egypt.
🎨😯
I wonder if it is covered in some kind of resin for preservation.
It could only have been done by him ....who else could or would have
His students, for example 12 assisted him with the statue of David under his supervision. They considered it a privilege, scaffold erecting,grinding paint paste ,making and cleaning brushes,coloring in backgrounds etc..
Sourcing materials for work of that scale was demanding in itself.
This freed the master to concentrate on the more skilled work which remains unequalled l agree
Sooo its a graffiti room... Nice
People think digital version will make it immortal when its been around only for 20 years 😂😂😂
How did he draw them in such low light? For how long did he hide?
the Italians love big stories we saw no pic of when it was found in 1975 nothing and he used many assistants to do his work for him so who knows who did these scan them preserve them and leave it at that
Beautiful ❤ I hope they cover it with protective glass. Ignorant people everywhere.
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Listening to her speak is excruciating.
I hate when I see this stuff I’ve been to Florence multiple times. I’ve been to Italy a bunch of times in Rome all over I was in that church, but I never heard anything about
lol they said the Medici chapel but showed a picture of the Duomo
Cowabunga! 🐢
Very interesting. It must have been fascinating to uncover those wall drawings.
1:13 - "The room was used for storage until it was discovered behind a trap door in 1975..." - Something doesn't add up here. How could they use it for storage when they hadn't yet discovered the room?
i think they meant that the room that had the trapdoor was the store room so no one suspected there was even more room~ especially if it was a wooden floor that was meant to be secret to begin with it probably blended in well withthe rest of the floor until someone discovered it
@@bobbyxsoxer OK, that makes sense. So wrong wording gave it a meaning without sense. The way you explain it, it absolutely makes sense. Thanks.
Where is youtuber Harald baldr 😂😂😂😂 missed this information
Ironic that he hid in a secret room a building belonging to the Medici, the very same family he went into to hiding from.
Magic brain¡¡¡
Nice
why do all geniuses in history need to be locked up 🔐😢
Please close this off to the public. Only a matter of time before you let one of the crazies in...
Michelangelo and DaVinci would’ve been incredible mangakas. Obviously they had their sights set higher than just comic book artists of sorts, but still it would’ve been great to see what kind of visual stories they would tell if that medium were really popular back then in that part of the world.
First of all it would have been correct to communicate that this discovery was made in 1975 by Paolo Dal Poggetto and that the restauration was made by Sabino Giovannoni. Second point, I wonder way in this short video only women are presenting the story? I find a discrimination to let only women talk of art, it’s plenty of excellent historians and experts keen to talk.
Marble right?
Trapped in a room and draws multiple images of men in various stages of undress…and despite this and those female statues in that Medici tomb the debate on whether Michelangelo was gay still goes on 😂😂😂
who is Michealangelo??
Wonder what was he hiding in there?
what happens if you fart in there ? will the fart stay in the air for hundred of years ?
Interesting comments of a genius ,the ignorance about the importance of his art is just upholding !
Anyone say cowabunga yet?
I guess whatever stored in there has been taken by Ezio Auditore in late 1400s
His best hoax on the church was the Shroud of Turin.
*so he liked drawing humans? whats the deeper meaning here? lol*
Knowing Michelangelo he probably plastered up his drawings himself
🤔 Hmm. A different take on the BBC Timestamp posting of 3 weeks ago.
Michelangelo di Lobotomico Buonarroti Simoni, known monogamously as Michelangelo, was an underrated gay sculptor, painter, architect and poet of the High Renaissance, whose depictions of muscular men remain popular in gay subculture. Born in the Socialist Republic of Florence, his work was inspired by models from classical antiquity and had a lasting influence on Mr. Donald Trump.
The most productive artist, genuine ever in history
Just wow
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Michelangelo Buenarotti. One of the most underrated sculptor painter and inventor of all time!
not much of a secret if we just saw it
Netflix said he was black?
in fact it was my uncle santos donatello that did the drawings. Typical fake news
No one knows what stories behind the past
Was Michelangelo's pxxp found in there too?
This was exactly what I was thinking, people still have to hide in 2024 😮
It took me almost ten minutes of googling and reading up on “pxxp” sequence of amino acids before I finally realized what your comment meant 🤦♂️
Pretty embarrassing
there isn't a shot of the basement with people to scale the size of the basement
regardless WHO did these these ARE important
😭
I heard he had a dart board and Atari down there.
Bet he had decent internet as well
Where was the ROOM was just a bunch of talking heads
Make sure no activists go in there with soup cans...I'm just saying.
He uses the room to goon
When art was beautyful.
What I'd do to transport Michaelangelo to modern times and show him AI art to get his reaction.
Given his upbringing and knowledge being stuck in the 16th century, he would not be able to even grasp what AI is or what it does - but he would probably think the visual output is sacrilegious (due to being basically mashed up plagiarism).
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Indira Gandhi
Hiding room of a master baiter.
Sup
Bollox Broadcasting company..........
01:19 '.... room was used as storage, untill it was accidentally discovered behind a trap door, in 1975'.... Huh?
I think they meant he access room with the trap door to the secret room.
No its not true 😂 so what's your actual evidence 😂