Is the earth spherical or flat? Airlines tell us the answer
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2020
- Expected travel times between airports would be very different if we lived on a flat earth. For example, flying from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile would be around 22 hours, if it were even possible. Surely it would take much longer than flying from Sydney to Los Angeles, right?
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About 2 years ago a flight from tokyo to los Angeles had to make an emergency landing in Alaska on a flat earth map it's easy to see why because the flight route goes over alaska from tokyo to los Angeles. On a globe that flight route would be thousands of unnecessary miles out the way.
On a globe, it's just as easy to explain. Here's the straight line path on a globe between Los Angeles and Tokyo, along with a straight line connecting Los Angeles and Cold Bay, Alaska, where some trans-Pacific flights land in emergencies. i.ibb.co/tcqnNW5/Capture-2021-03-09-04-07-08.png As you can see, there's no better option in an emergency than landing in southwest Alaska. Here's an article about one such flight: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/10/30/tokyo-to-sfo-flight-makes-emergency-landing-in-alaska/ Here's a much more interesting article. eugene.kaspersky.com/2015/09/09/the-santiago-sydney-antarctic-smile-qf28/ You'll learn a lot! I promise.
Too bad you cant book a non stop flight from santiago to Sydney. Take into account the stops and the flat earth map makes sense. I tried to find a non stop flight and there are none. Explain that.
That's easy to explain. Those flights used to be easy to find but Australia has limited travel into and out of the country in an extreme way, due to the pandemic. Here's the government announcement on their website: www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers Since there are so few people able or willing to fly into and out of Australia, only the most popular routes remain flying. Let me know if you want me to explain anything else to you.
@@AndrewGatt even before the plandemic there were no direct flights between those two cities
@@AndrewGatt flat earthers all snack on lead paint chips.
@@letthedeadburythedead2148 www.qantas.com/au/en/flight-deals/international/flights-to-santiago/sydney.html/syd/scl/economy/lowest Yeah there were...
@@dashahlstrom2848 Unfortunately, the link you provided doesn't show direct flights any more. However, all you need to do is look at Qantas route maps to see that the flight was a normal route recently. Here's one. static.routesonline.com/images/cached/upload-20499-standard-610x356.jpg and another, worldairlinenews.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/image-1.jpg?w=625&h=347 and another, commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qantas_Airways_Destinations_2019.png. They used to fly to Buenos Aires which was an even longer flight. Here's a news story about that web.archive.org/web/20140522070102/www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/media-releases/nov-2008/3857/global/en. Their flights to South Africa have also been suspended or terminated. Here's a list of all Qantas routes, including ones that are not currently used. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qantas_destinations If you believe that they never actually flew any of those routes, all in a ruse to try to fool people into believing that the earth was spherical and that they knew that it was flat, that seems like a lot of needless risk. Why wouldn't they just say that there isn't enough demand to justify direct flights between those two cities? What possible reason could Qantas have to perpetuate such a complicated conspiracy? Flat Earth people make no sense.
All the flights from santiago to Sydney have at least one stop there are no non stop flights between those 2 cities. The stops are in los Angeles based on a flat earth map it's easy to see why. On a flat earth map los Angeles is roughly halfway between santiago and Sydney. Flights don't go over the pacific ocean non stop they ALL follow the flat earth route.
Once again... "Those flights used to be easy to find but Australia has limited travel into and out of the country in an extreme way, due to the pandemic. Here's the government announcement on their website: www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers Since there are so few people able or willing to fly into and out of Australia, only the most popular routes remain..."
I know you left your comment 2 years ago but a lot has changed since then. Since air travel has increased greatly in the past two years, flights between Santiago and Sydney are plentiful now. Go to Kayak and look for yourself. Flights between Sydney and Santiago take about the same amount of time as flights between Sydney and Santiago. Please don't just trust my word, look it up.
Why is it that the United Nations symbol looks just like the flat earth model? Even Australia looks exactly the same on both the logo as the model. Is it because they know for a fact that the earth is flat or is that just for show?
The map projection does not cut any countries in two and can show the entire spherical earth on a flat surface. What projection do you think would be better?
@@AndrewGatt where is Antarctica on the UN flat map logo?
@@COVIDpanic Antarctica is not a country.
@@COVIDpanic he can't answer that one
@@COVIDpanic it’s not shown. UN logo only shows up to 60° south because on the azimuthal equidistant projection, Antarctica would be too large for the logo (and the fact that Antarctica have no permanent resident, so there’s no need to include Antarctica)
Do you have link to pdf document about pilots flight school. That document tells earth is flat?
I hope you're joking.
@@AndrewGatt no.. i have seen it. Maybe i have it. I remember that i download that 2 years ago...
@@AndrewGatt i found it...
@@AndrewGatt do you have e mail.. i send
@@MarkusEsaKielikello I'd rather not put my email address on here. Could you upload it to somewhere, like dropbox, and put a link in a comment?
Try to distinguish between round and spherical. Round is a very general and can apply to a dinner plate or pizza pan, which you can circle a round this can be 2d. However for your illustration spherical would a better identifier to establish contrast.
Good point. The earth is spherical, not round and flat like a dinner plate. I changed the title of the video although the text within the video will stay the same.
@@AndrewGatt No worries 😉. Happy to educate you brother
@@AndrewGatt You know it's not. It's freemason kabbalah crap that's being exposed for the lie it truly is. Stop shilling the Globalists' rhetorics. It doesn't hold weight in 2020, considering its poor levels of trust.
This guy is a deceiver, he knows very well we don't live on a spinning water ball
Judging by the three videos you've posted to UA-cam, I'm going to guess that you live in Tanzania. Since you live so close to the equator, all you need to do is keep track of where the sun is in the sky for a whole day and you'll see that it rises in one direction, appears to go straight up to nearly overhead and then straight down in the opposite direction. How can you explain that if you believe that the sun travels in a horizontal circle above a disk even though your eyes tell you that it moves in a vertically oriented circle? Honestly, I can understand how people 4000 years ago believed that we lived on a flat disk and that the sun went under the disk at night, but how can you explain it now, knowing that it's always noon somewhere on the planet? Keep in mind that the apparent size of the sun in the sky does not change during the day. Surely on a flat earth, the sun would be closer to you at noon and would appear larger in the sky, right? None of it makes sense.
Doesn't seem like you used actual flight patterns.
Of course I did. Flights and their frequency might have changed since I made the video but you can still find them. Of course, if you don't want to find them, you can just pretend that they don't exist. That's fine with me.
@@AndrewGatt Dad is a pilot and uncles and a couple cousins all pilots. One uncle and one cousin are both commercial airline pilots, the others are military pilots. I asked the commercial pilots and they both had different explanations as to why the flight paths from Africa to Australia and back to South America are not non-stop flights. Non-stop meaning they do not flight direct to each destination. From Africa they would fly north to Saudi or to India and then to Indonesia and then on to Australia. And they said there are no direct flights from JFK to Dubai. Lastly they said no flights fly in an eastward path from Japan to LAX. All flights that direction go through Alaska. No flights over open ocean.
@@COVIDpanic There are so many things wrong with your statements. 1. There are non-stop flights from South America to Australia. Here's one now: www.kayak.com/flights/SCL-SYD/2021-04-04/2021-04-12?sort=bestflight_a
There are flights between Australia and Africa although they have temporarily been suspended due to COVID-19.
2. There are flights between JFK and Dubai. Here's two on Emirates Airline now: www.kayak.com/flights/JFK-DXB/2021-04-04/2021-04-11?sort=bestflight_a&fs=stops=0
3. There are flight that fly east from Tokyo to LAX every day. There are at least six of them on April 4th. See here: www.kayak.com/flights/JFK-DXB/2021-04-04/2021-04-11?sort=bestflight_a&fs=stops=0 I flew from Shanghai to Chicago in 2007 so I know that flights like this exist.
Perhaps you misunderstood what your relatives were saying?
With all of those wrong statements, I'm pretty sure that your claims about your dad, uncle, and cousins are probably wrong too, but I can't double check that.
@@AndrewGatt hahahahahahahaaha
@@COVIDpanic "Non-stop meaning they do not flight direct to each destination"
WOW.... non-stop means there is no stop!!!! You can't stop in the middle of the pacific between Sydney and Santiago de Chili.
That was a real dumb comment.
You also don't seem to understand what HUBS are and why they exist.
The argument that there are no flights from japan to LAX is just silly.
Everybody can charter a plane and fly that route.
That you don't have the money for that is not an argument.
Just calculate it yourself
use skyvector.com/ RJTT to KLAX 4768 NM
It has an option for an emergency landing in alaska but never gets over there.
Looks like you don't know anything about NAVIGATION or Great Circle Courses.
Navigation proves the globe EVERYDAY.
A sphere is round a circle is round
Bullocks. You know the earth is not a spinning ball. Ask any real pilot or sniper or railroad engineer.
Flying in a circle gives the illusion of flying in a straight line
Why would you fly in circle on flat earth straight line is shortest route on flat earth
With that being said why can't you fly straight north or south? No one has ever circumnavigated the globe going over the north pole to making it to the south pole
Someone could if the earth wasn't flat you either fly to the north pole or you fly south into the ice wall
@@brianjohnson2867 Thought Pan Am 50 did north to south navigation been few more as well I think also been a few land based north south pole navigation . Its not a regular route because there is little need for it why you asking as my comment was about routes on flat earth that don't exist. Straight line routes from one place to another on flat earth are never used in real wold take New York to Dubai flights come over northern UK ?
@@brianjohnson2867 But there is no ice wall just Antarctica /south pole were all meridians meet same as at the north pole
You kinda prove the world is flat
How do you figure?
The flat earth model isn't accurate. Disproving the model doesn't prove a globe earth. It proves that there is still much we don't know. It's just a model, don't get too excited.
Isn't it difficult holding onto a flat earth belief if nobody can provide a model of a flat earth that makes sense with our observations?
@@AndrewGatt Not really. It's pretty naive to think anyone can map the entire earth accurately. And even if someone said they have, I would not take them seriously.
@@nickbrown3571 I think it's odd that people have been flying planes for a hundred years and rockets for 60 years and you don't think we can make an accurate map of the earth. Here's one for free: www.google.com/earth/
@@AndrewGatt not really there is no curvature. Check out laser and light tests on frozen lakes. It’s disproves a ball earth. Talk to pilots, they don’t calculate curvature for distance nor to dip their nose over the curve. And they don’t allow for alleged spin of earth. Spinning ball has been debunked. I think leading scientists today say it’s more like a Pear 🍐 😂
@@Streetpreaching7 I don't understand why flat earth believers can point to tests on frozen lakes and such which supposedly prove that there is no curvature. After all, they say, the earth is really flat and light goes in a straight line. And then they turn around and explain that we can't see the sun at night because light bends, a lot, and that's why we can't see the entire dome.
How creative.
Not all FEr's subscribe to that AE map.
Thank you for addressing the question that I posed in the video. Can you please share the map that you prefer?
Sure but they are all still wrong.
@@AndrewGatt Any oblique mercator map.
@@AndrewGatt Thankyou for being kind . I like how you don't resort to ad hominems or character assassinations. It's just the conclusions you draw, aren't full proof. Considering we have reentered the dark ages, the world could be as good as anyone's guess.The term "GLOBALISM" is very fitting, for our time of those whom question authorised narratives.
@@GlobeKrusha I don't get it. Oblique Mercator maps are rectangular. Where are the edges in the one you use? Is Antarctica not on the edge? In the oblique Mercator maps that I've found, some edges go through continents where people live. Surely it would be easy to visit the edge of the world, wouldn't it? Please tell me how to find the one you're thinking of.
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friend you did not refute anything your doubt is very simple to resolve, you must have more study at last about planes in the case for commercial and continental flights and also intercontinental ones, in short they do not have the same speed capacity, that is, as a commercial there are 900 to 100km per hour already others can reach 7000km per hour this I refute your video and I think it should be humility to study what I say and see that in this cyst you made a mistake without cursing and yes exchange of knowledge repeating this does not refute on the flat land!
Sou brasileiro so pra esclarece em USA.
I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. Are you saying that they use planes that fly twice as fast when they fly in the Southern Hemisphere, compared to planes in the Northern Hemisphere? If that were the case, an airline could be the speed champion and fly transatlantic flights in half the current time and get a much larger share of the customers. Why wouldn't they do that? Do you have any evidence of that, besides the fact that you want it to be true?
@@AndrewGatt I'll get my Dad on this one...he explained that the wind speed and air speed are comparable to resistance and lag. The plane speed is set to the destination for time, not for distance traveled over time. Speed is not a constant on flights because of air turbulence and weather patterns and storms. Planes speed up and slow down over the flight. He said it is another reason for arrival delays. Taxiing in the sky is a big issue for the delayed flight arrivals. Cousin, the commercial pilot says, flights going east are traveling into tomorrow and the westward travel is flying into yesterday ...wait I think he may have been kidding around. Yeh he was - kinda he said. Time travel is only possible in that instance when your plane crosses into a different time zone moving your time ahead or back an hour or so. Remember the concord? It flew supersonic and passengers usually got to their destination before they left. Unless they traveled the other direction in which case they arrived about the same time as a commercial plane, but the distance they traveled in the concord is much greater. I'm all over the place in this response - I took a minute to call my cousin, took time to talk to my Dad. and I spent half and hour piecing this together.
- did I lose you?
@@COVIDpanic Of course planes fly at different speeds and winds can affect it. That's still not enough to explain the huge speed differences you would need to explain the travel times for the two round-the-world flights that I highlight in the video. Travel time for the southern route should be at least twice as long according the flat earth fantasy. Your explanation of time zones and time travel are very misleading. Do you really think if you go stand next to the boundary between two time zone and jump back and forth across the line that you are actually time-travelling?
Yeah there are no currently operational commercial aircraft that is capable of flying at supersonic speed, let alone 7000 km/h
@@COVIDpanic different local time =/= time travel
When I was in Santiago, I flew to Buenos Ares. According to the most used flat earth map, that flight from wheels up to wheels down would have meant that a Boeing 737-800 can average 800 mph with a peak of about 850 mph.
On a side note, when in either city, the sun is off about 25 degrees on sunrise and sunset when using the flat earth map. Seems that flat earthers ignore the southern hemisphere.
Globetards ignore simple geometrics, when it comes to applying paralaxes to their flawed model.
Those flights used to be easy to find but Australia has limited travel into and out of the country in an extreme way, due to the pandemic. Here's the government announcement on their website: www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers Since there are so few people able or willing to fly into and out of Australia, only the most popular routes remain flying.
However, all you need to do is look at Qantas route maps to see that the flight was a normal route recently. Here's one. static.routesonline.com/images/cached/upload-20499-standard-610x356.jpg and another, worldairlinenews.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/image-1.jpg?w=625&h=347 and another, commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qantas_Airways_Destinations_2019.png. They used to fly to Buenos Aires which was an even longer flight. Here's a news story about that web.archive.org/web/20140522070102/www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/media-releases/nov-2008/3857/global/en. Their flights to South Africa have also been suspended or terminated. Here's a list of all Qantas routes, including ones that are not currently used. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qantas_destinations If you believe that they never actually flew any of those routes, all in a ruse to try to fool people into believing that the earth was spherical and that they knew that it was flat, that seems like a lot of needless risk. Why wouldn't they just say that there isn't enough demand to justify direct flights between those two cities? What possible reason could Qantas have to perpetuate such a complicated conspiracy? Flat Earth believers have fantastic imaginations.
Thats i great point you make!! Im going check it out. Obviously a flatearther but you raise a good point.👍
Thanks!
@@AndrewGatt Look at Flying from Auckland, New Zealand to Honolulu, Hawaii...or Sydney to Honolulu... just weird routes...
@@greg12145 What do you mean? How are they weird?
@@AndrewGatt Why don't you check the internet for flight times/routes... would be a start, Stud!
@@greg12145 I found direct flights from Honolulu to Sydney on April 4th (the first date I tried, Hawaiian Airlines flight 451) but there are very few flights into New Zealand since "New Zealand has restricted the entry of all foreign nationals except for Australian nationals who reside in New Zealand and Samoan or Tongan citizens making essential travel." Now can you tell me what you found weird about the flights? This is your last chance.
Be careful with plotting direct lines on the Mercator projection map. The New York to Dubai flight won’t fly across northern Africa, but likely loop across southern Greenland and Europe.
Your points are well made, but there is the risk of falling into the same “stupidity trap” of flat earth sufferers.
Good point. It's just difficult to show a round-the-world trip on a globe. Here's an image of the great circle path between JFK and Dubai: i.ibb.co/QKFxKXm/Capture-2020-09-25-08-56-54.png
@@AndrewGatt There is an option if you right click on Google earth to show great circle routes
See the JFK Dubai flights coming over northern England quite regular so your quite correct
@@peterhoebarth4234 That's new one LOL flat earth with spherical bits or is it spherical earth with flat bits . Flat earth seems so massively complex think I will stick to the simple globe
@@peterhoebarth4234 Who is a NASA troll ?
earth is a globe, aircraft need to pitch down in order to maintain a constant altitude. So, for example, if an airplane makes a flight which covers a 15 degree arc across the earth's surface (which is a distance of about a thousand miles), then the airplane will need to pitch down by 15 degrees over the course of the flight.
However, in order to accomplish this, pilots don't "drop the nose of the plane every couple of minutes". Instead, they watch the altimeter, and raise or lower the nose as needed to maintain a constant altitude, or to climb or descend as necessary. (Or they set the autopilot to do the same thing.) This means that they're adjusting the plane's pitch every couple of seconds, and the adjustments that they use to maintain altitude are much, much larger than the adjustments that would be needed to merely match the curvature of the earth.
All they do is lift up to maintain altitude liar
Disclaimer. We live on a sphere
I like some conspiracy theories because some make you think. But to me the flat earth theory is the most boring of all of them. Round earth is actually more interesting.
I like that the original Flat Earth Society proponents were deliberately taking a position they didn't believe in, just to make people think it out for themselves. It showed the value of critical thinking. Now, we just have nutjobs and scam artists making money out of a cult.
of course the sphere earth is more interesting because you get to use your imagination to invent new worlds and planets far beyond our understanding of distance and time and go further to imagining that the planets can support life as we know it. Sure, it is loads more fun to live in a fantasy (Science Fiction) world.
disregard that every past civilization back to antiquity had a model of the flat earth. Only in the most recent 1000 years has the thought of the globe earth been widely pushed by academics. Still in the late 1800s and early 1900s schools and colleges in the United States still taught the flat earth. You want interesting ??? the reason for the globe lie is far more interesting than fantasy, because it is true. The conspiracy is to keep you diminished, unimportant, on a spec of dust flying through infinite vacuum of space with a distant or non-existing God. When the truth is you are a highly intellectual and vastly important individual created in the image of God and possessing abilities you cannot fathom because you are in a state of indoctrination which hides that truth from you since birth. You are a spiritual being in a physical body on this plane for a purpose. You are important, our earth is the center of creation. Now, why would someone want to keep you from knowing these truths about your importance? - So you can be controlled. God made us equal, none to rule over the other, but to be fellowshipped with God and one another. Do the leaders of countries have power over you? There are a lot of interesting truths out there for you. Seek them. :)
talking about how boring the flat earth is - have you ever been to the caverns of America and seen how cool and interesting the land beneath your feet actually is? Now, understand that there is an Antarctic Treaty which prevents you from exploring the regions beyond the 60th Southern parallel. Why? Look into it because it is very interesting. Admiral Byrd, explorer, flew to Antarctica and returned with information of land as large or larger than the north America and the resources and beauty of the land is incomparable. If it is there - why are we forbidden to go there? All of these topics are far more interesting than some imaginary chuck of space matter drifting listlessly through a void.
@@COVIDpanic God is poopoo
all is round
You can prove curvature of the earth by flying in a rocket into space. If you have a problem with NASA, you can see images from any of the satellites from the twelve countries that have launched them (USSR, USA, France, Japan, China, UK, India, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Iran and North Korea) and one regional organization (the European Space Agency, ESA). You can follow the location of the International Space Station and spot it overhead when the conditions are right (i.e. not the middle of the day when the sky is too bright or the middle of the night when the ISS is in the shadow of the earth, when it passes over your location). See its current location here: www.heavens-above.com/ Its path would not make sense if the earth were flat. It would also take an incredible amount of fuel to keep it moving at 17,000 mph (27,000 km/hr), day after day, year after year.
Maybe you would prefer to see images from further away. Images from GOES satellites are updated at least daily. www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/fulldisk.php?sat=G16
You do rely on weather forecasts, don't you? How do you think NOAA can update satellite images many times per day? Look up geosynchronous orbits.
You want a 100% accurate map of the earth? You should download Google Earth. Directions and distances between locations are all very accurate. If they weren't, a flat earth believer would be able to find instances where they were wrong.
You want gas pressure next to a vacuum? That's not how gases and gravity work. Go to the top of any high mountain and hike around for a while. You'll be able tell that the air pressure is lower without even measuring it. You'll get out of breath quicker than at sea level. Go to the top of Mount Everest (5.5 miles above sea level) and you'll die without supplemental oxygen. Go up in an airplane and insist on opening the window when you get to cruising altitude. Don't let the flight attendants try to talk you out of it. Let me know how that goes. As you go up higher and higher, the air pressure decreases very gradually. The ISS orbits at a height of about 260 miles (420 km), or 47 times higher than the top of Mount Everest. Even at that height it is not a perfect vacuum. That's why the ISS has to burn some fuel to boost its altitude a few times each year. www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx
I hope this answers some of your questions. You can find out more online if you look in the right places.