That's a great idea! You could even put a piece of tape on shorts or longs if you don’t have two colors. Thanks for the suggestion, going to update my set. See you outside!
MSR use to put grommets on the end of its footprints so that you could pitch fly first. Recently they stopped adding the grommets to the footprints. I’ve no idea why and I did write to them about it but no response. I was very disappointed when I bought the MSR Hubba 1 and discovered that the footprint did not allow you to pitch fly first, unlike my previous purchase of the Hubba Hubba 2p and footprint a few years ago. However I managed a work around. I had 4 split washer rings (8-9mm from memory). With 2 pairs of pliers I opened them up and inserted them through the MSR 1p ‘Generic’ footprint corner end straps and then closed the split rings up so they would stay attached to the footprint, and were also the right size such that they would accommodate the end of the tent poles but not slip up the tent poles. Has worked flawlessly.
Rather than cutting the cord for each side, you could just feed the cord through one hole, tie a simple overhand knot, then feed it through the second hole: no need for a second knot if you don't cut the cord. Or, if the washer is the right size, just use a ring hitch (slip a bight of the cord through the center of the washer, and loop it over the top of the washer), and you don't need to drill any holes in the washers. The cord will help prevent the washer from riding up the pole, too. Also, UHMWPE (the generic name for the material used in Lash-It and Zing-It) is famous for knots slipping. A better solution (but a little tricky) is to splice the cord to itself. Look up videos on making whoopie slings to see how to do this.
Thank you so much for sharing this...I had imagined something like this, and for the same reasons you mentioned, about the weight of carrying a footprint and also, having a footprint lying in the rain while getting the poles inserted...this is a great solution. Thank you for making it happen and documenting it and sharing it...very appreciative 🙏🤓
Good luck, the hardest part is finding the nylon washer to fit. My first attempt was a fail, hope you can find a similar size. Let me know how it works out. See you outside!
Funny to see this video today. I literally just finished making something similar for my tent this past week, using loops of line at the corners instead of washers. Good idea!
My first attempt was with alpine butterflies in the corners. It worked but you had to be careful to keep pressure on the line. The washers are so much easier. Thanks for the comment! See you outside!
I definitely want to know how this works with the Jake's Feet. I know it will work with the buckle style tents. The Jake's Feet have a lot going on, but the tip of the pole still has the same shape as a standard pole, just more of a ball bearing end. I think worst case, you will need to remove the washer to accommodate the Jake's Feet as you secure the inner. Let me know how it works! See you outside!
Especially the Hubba is possible to pitch fly only without any hack. I have seen it in an old MSR video. Spread the fly inside out on the ground. Put the poles in the grommets. Make sure the straps of the grommets are at it’s widest. Make sure the zippers are open . Then with move a little bit like folding a popup tent turn the fly up and the poles with a twist in it. Pull the straps set the pegs and you are ready for the innertent…
I don’t know if it is just my msr hubba hubba 3p, but I can pitch it fly only with nothing special. The doors are loose and the poles support it just fine slotting it into the ends without anything else. I just went outside in case I was taking crazy pills. It worked.
@@OutsideChronicles Yep - I am starting to think it is unique to the MSR Hubba 3p. This is the second video to have the msr in the background and say it cannot be pitched fly only. I have Durston tents for my 1p and 2p, so I just assumed all tents can be thrown fly only :) I made a quick video showing it: ua-cam.com/video/8Y9la-Lfjzcj/v-deo.html
@@millerhooI think my 2p would do that. I am guessing you laid out the poles, put fly over the top, and clicked them in. I’ll give it a try with mine. Thanks for taking the time to make a video.
Side tip: Paria Outdoor sells 1.5mm Dyneema line for $13/50'. Significantly cheaper than Lash-it/Zing-it if you only need a small amount (for something like this). With 50' you can create a fast pitch rectangle, and have enough line left over for a couple extra short guy lines.
I did an even simpler, quicker version of this for my MSR Hubba Hubba: only two pieces of cord (for the two long sides of the tent) with a grommet knotted at each end. I just cannibalized some grommets from other old tent footprints that I had lying around. You don't really need the short sides, or the full rectangle shape. Just lay the two lines out parallel to one another, and at roughly the width of the tent. Of course, none of these gyrations would be necessary if MSR would just put some frigging grommets on the frigging footprint corners, lol. I've since moved on to a SlingFin Portal tent that is designed with the capability to be pitched fly-first.
WTF? Both my Hubba AND my Hubba Hubba have grommets for the fly. You must have bought some cheap knockoff fly. The grommet is shown ON their website! 🤡🤷♂️🤦♂️
Great & detailed tent fly hack and looking forward to trying it. Question, can't you assemble the MSR Hubba Hubba with just the rain fly first if needed attaching to the tent pole frame then assemble the tent body inside? Thanks for your content.
Thanks for the comment. Others have said the same thing about the Hubba Hubba fly. I believe that would work, but this hack, I think, will make it quicker and easier.
@@OutsideChronicles Thanks for responding. I agree it will be a quicker set up. I have a Hubba Hubba and look forward to trying it out. Appreciate your laying out this cost effective path. Time saved keeps us dry!!! Best Always.....Bob
Do you think you could just attach the washers onto the line with clove hitches, rather than drilling in and knots? Pros and cons likely, and want to make sure you have enough room for the tent poles to seat properly in the washers with the line inside too?
No, my tent has a modified washer that fits the end of the pole. If you have buckles, you will have to get a matching set and tie them in. You could also put some washers on the fly to fit the end of your poles.
An exo-skeleton-design tent means the load bearing structure is the outer tent (what you in this video call 'fly') and the inne tent is hung from the inside of the outer-tent. This is way superior to normal tents since it both lets you pitch the outer and inne togeather but also lets you pitch only the outer for example a lunch-stop in bad weather or if you ar not using the inner for wheight-reasons for an example. This also results in far more stable tents that can take more wind and heavier snow-loads without loosing shape. Basically all decent scandinavian tent-manufacturers make all thier tents in exo-skeleton-design like this and few serius outdoor entusiast here wouldn't buy anything the tents used normaly in most other parts of the world. Helsport and Hilleberg is two reputable brands but there's other more inexpensive ones also. But if you are stuck with these tents for whatever reason this is a usefull stop-gap-solution!
Uhhhh, the tent you are using to show this technique, as well as the Hubba mentioned at the beginning can ALREADY be set up fly only, with the footprint, which you should be using anyway. 🤦♂️ Pretty sure most if not all tents using a footprint can be set up fly only. 🤷♂️
I demo’ed using the footprint at the end. MSR now ships a generic footprint for their tents. They do not have tabs/grommets like previous tent specific footprints. Some will debate the need for a footprint. I am on the pro footprint side. See you outside!
Great hack! Using two different colors for the lines (red for long, yellow for short, for example) would make setup even faster and easier.
That's a great idea! You could even put a piece of tape on shorts or longs if you don’t have two colors. Thanks for the suggestion, going to update my set. See you outside!
This is one of the best "omg DERR" moments. This is Excellent. It's becoming part of my education for scouts on tents.
Thanks for that. See you outside!
MSR use to put grommets on the end of its footprints so that you could pitch fly first. Recently they stopped adding the grommets to the footprints. I’ve no idea why and I did write to them about it but no response. I was very disappointed when I bought the MSR Hubba 1 and discovered that the footprint did not allow you to pitch fly first, unlike my previous purchase of the Hubba Hubba 2p and footprint a few years ago. However I managed a work around. I had 4 split washer rings (8-9mm from memory). With 2 pairs of pliers I opened them up and inserted them through the MSR 1p ‘Generic’ footprint corner end straps and then closed the split rings up so they would stay attached to the footprint, and were also the right size such that they would accommodate the end of the tent poles but not slip up the tent poles. Has worked flawlessly.
That’s also a great solution, thanks for the comment. See you outside!
Rather than cutting the cord for each side, you could just feed the cord through one hole, tie a simple overhand knot, then feed it through the second hole: no need for a second knot if you don't cut the cord. Or, if the washer is the right size, just use a ring hitch (slip a bight of the cord through the center of the washer, and loop it over the top of the washer), and you don't need to drill any holes in the washers. The cord will help prevent the washer from riding up the pole, too. Also, UHMWPE (the generic name for the material used in Lash-It and Zing-It) is famous for knots slipping. A better solution (but a little tricky) is to splice the cord to itself. Look up videos on making whoopie slings to see how to do this.
Great suggestions, see you outside.
I just made one for my own Hubba Hubba! I made mine using 2mm cord from Decathlon and stainless steel M8 washers. Thanks a lot for sharing
That should work! See you outside.
This would be a great way to save weight and do a "fly only" setup for warmer days!
Right, that will totally work.
Thank you so much for sharing this...I had imagined something like this, and for the same reasons you mentioned, about the weight of carrying a footprint and also, having a footprint lying in the rain while getting the poles inserted...this is a great solution. Thank you for making it happen and documenting it and sharing it...very appreciative 🙏🤓
My pleasure, see you outside!
This is truly brilliant and very ultralight! Wow thank you! 👏
You're very welcome! Hope it works as good for you, what kind of tent are you going to try this hack with?
That was an awesome hack. I've got the same tent as you, so it'll be a breeze. Thanks!
Good luck, the hardest part is finding the nylon washer to fit. My first attempt was a fail, hope you can find a similar size. Let me know how it works out. See you outside!
This is so awesome! Thank you for sharing. I love DIY solutions, especially ones that solve a real issue. This one certainly does.
My pleasure and thank you. See you outside!
Funny to see this video today. I literally just finished making something similar for my tent this past week, using loops of line at the corners instead of washers. Good idea!
My first attempt was with alpine butterflies in the corners. It worked but you had to be careful to keep pressure on the line. The washers are so much easier. Thanks for the comment! See you outside!
WOW!! Love how simple this hack is
Thanks! I tried to make it even simpler with 4 alpine butterflies, but the poles did not stay in while setting up. See you outside!
Brilliant. Thank you so much 😊
My pleasure, see you outside!
nice and so rare to see clear process demo
Thanks so much, see you outside.
Great video of a excellent idea. Superb graphics and demonstration was on point.
Thanks!
My pleasure, see you outside!
Brilliant! Going to apply this to my Nemo
I definitely want to know how this works with the Jake's Feet. I know it will work with the buckle style tents. The Jake's Feet have a lot going on, but the tip of the pole still has the same shape as a standard pole, just more of a ball bearing end. I think worst case, you will need to remove the washer to accommodate the Jake's Feet as you secure the inner. Let me know how it works! See you outside!
I have an OEX Raccoon, with a weird pole system, but I am definitely going to try this!
That is one I am not familiar with from the U.S., let me know how it works out. See you outside!
Especially the Hubba is possible to pitch fly only without any hack. I have seen it in an old MSR video. Spread the fly inside out on the ground. Put the poles in the grommets. Make sure the straps of the grommets are at it’s widest. Make sure the zippers are open . Then with move a little bit like folding a popup tent turn the fly up and the poles with a twist in it. Pull the straps set the pegs and you are ready for the innertent…
Yep, that can work. This method will be more efficient.
I use some cord and knots. this is overcomplicated. but it will help some people somwhere. thumbs up!
I tried that with alpine butterflies and found it to work, but you need a bit more care to setup. Thanks for the comment. See you outside!
Wow! First time I see your chanel! You’re my new friend from now on! Love this hack that will help me with my Hubba Bubba.
Thanks so much, see you outside!
I’ll be trying this out for sure 😊 thanks
Cool! Let me know how it works. See you outside!
I don’t know if it is just my msr hubba hubba 3p, but I can pitch it fly only with nothing special. The doors are loose and the poles support it just fine slotting it into the ends without anything else.
I just went outside in case I was taking crazy pills. It worked.
No footprint?
@@OutsideChronicles Yep - I am starting to think it is unique to the MSR Hubba 3p. This is the second video to have the msr in the background and say it cannot be pitched fly only. I have Durston tents for my 1p and 2p, so I just assumed all tents can be thrown fly only :)
I made a quick video showing it: ua-cam.com/video/8Y9la-Lfjzcj/v-deo.html
@@millerhooI think my 2p would do that. I am guessing you laid out the poles, put fly over the top, and clicked them in. I’ll give it a try with mine. Thanks for taking the time to make a video.
@@OutsideChroniclesthat is exactly what I did. The cross member at the top is a little tricky to get in but doable.
Great hack. Thanks for showing it
Glad you like it! See you outside!
Outstanding hack. Merci!
Glad it was helpful!
Great hack! Thanks for sharing.
That's clever for sure. But I'll stick to my Durston all in one set up. 😁 Another great video Mike!
Thanks! I still have my eye on the X-mid 1p to shed some weight on longer trips.
Clever idea! Super lightweight too.
Thanks, glad it was helpful, see you outside!
I made a similar setup using nylon strap for the pole holder instead of the washers.
I just made the needed size hole with a soldering iron.
Yeah, that will work too. Thanks for the suggestion. See you outside!
Brilliant! I have a winter project now. And maybe I don't need a Durston xmid after all.
Thanks, Durston X Mid is pretty nice, I still have my eye on the 1p. Let me know how this hack works with the REIHalf Done, right?
@@OutsideChronicles yes! The half dome 2+
Amazing idea. I'm going to do this!
Thanks! See you outside!
Excellent tip.
Thanks!
Side tip: Paria Outdoor sells 1.5mm Dyneema line for $13/50'. Significantly cheaper than Lash-it/Zing-it if you only need a small amount (for something like this). With 50' you can create a fast pitch rectangle, and have enough line left over for a couple extra short guy lines.
Thanks for sharing!
Great.
Thank you for your hard work.
My pleasure! See you outside!
Nice! Gives me ideas.
Glad it got the gears moving. See you outside!
Awesome idea!
Thanks!
I did an even simpler, quicker version of this for my MSR Hubba Hubba: only two pieces of cord (for the two long sides of the tent) with a grommet knotted at each end. I just cannibalized some grommets from other old tent footprints that I had lying around. You don't really need the short sides, or the full rectangle shape. Just lay the two lines out parallel to one another, and at roughly the width of the tent.
Of course, none of these gyrations would be necessary if MSR would just put some frigging grommets on the frigging footprint corners, lol. I've since moved on to a SlingFin Portal tent that is designed with the capability to be pitched fly-first.
WTF? Both my Hubba AND my Hubba Hubba have grommets for the fly. You must have bought some cheap knockoff fly. The grommet is shown ON their website! 🤡🤷♂️🤦♂️
Great & detailed tent fly hack and looking forward to trying it. Question, can't you assemble the MSR Hubba Hubba with just the rain fly first if needed attaching to the tent pole frame then assemble the tent body inside? Thanks for your content.
Thanks for the comment. Others have said the same thing about the Hubba Hubba fly. I believe that would work, but this hack, I think, will make it quicker and easier.
@@OutsideChronicles Thanks for responding. I agree it will be a quicker set up. I have a Hubba Hubba and look forward to trying it out. Appreciate your laying out this cost effective path. Time saved keeps us dry!!! Best Always.....Bob
Do you think you could just attach the washers onto the line with clove hitches, rather than drilling in and knots? Pros and cons likely, and want to make sure you have enough room for the tent poles to seat properly in the washers with the line inside too?
I do not see why not as long as they do not slip and there is enough room.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it, see you outside!
Do you have buckles at the corners to attach the fly?
No, my tent has a modified washer that fits the end of the pole. If you have buckles, you will have to get a matching set and tie them in. You could also put some washers on the fly to fit the end of your poles.
Bankline would be sufficient for the lines
I have a nemo. What is it you are saying I need to do to make mine work?
Thank you! :-)
My pleasure, see you outside!
An exo-skeleton-design tent means the load bearing structure is the outer tent (what you in this video call 'fly') and the inne tent is hung from the inside of the outer-tent. This is way superior to normal tents since it both lets you pitch the outer and inne togeather but also lets you pitch only the outer for example a lunch-stop in bad weather or if you ar not using the inner for wheight-reasons for an example.
This also results in far more stable tents that can take more wind and heavier snow-loads without loosing shape.
Basically all decent scandinavian tent-manufacturers make all thier tents in exo-skeleton-design like this and few serius outdoor entusiast here wouldn't buy anything the tents used normaly in most other parts of the world.
Helsport and Hilleberg is two reputable brands but there's other more inexpensive ones also.
But if you are stuck with these tents for whatever reason this is a usefull stop-gap-solution!
Masks sense. Many Winter Mountaineering tents sold in the US have a similar structure.
100ft of #36 bankline is 2mm and 300lb rated for about $10.
That works too!
I really love being able to leave the tent body at home & just use the fly over my sleeping bag
Yep, this hack will work for that too
Won't work if your tent is like mine with sleeves for the poles.
Yes, that is the one kind of tent it might not work for. Sorry!
Here my NO drill or washer versions I posted last year..... ua-cam.com/video/9_k_FTWIHKo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Bokooda
Looks good, see you outside!
This is great! Very nice and many, many thanks! LIKE button HAS been hit :-)
Thank you! See you outside!
Uhhhh, the tent you are using to show this technique, as well as the Hubba mentioned at the beginning can ALREADY be set up fly only, with the footprint, which you should be using anyway. 🤦♂️ Pretty sure most if not all tents using a footprint can be set up fly only. 🤷♂️
I demo’ed using the footprint at the end. MSR now ships a generic footprint for their tents. They do not have tabs/grommets like previous tent specific footprints. Some will debate the need for a footprint. I am on the pro footprint side. See you outside!