Thanks for the chat and being such a good sport about trying my camera out! I loved seeing your take on the camera and monochrome only in general. It's a good exercise for anyone to do every now and then. Whether with film, jpeg profile, or monochrome converted. P.s. that chunky Pentax is so cute. Looking forward to that 😀
How many cameras have an option to shoot monochrome? I’ve been using a Olympus Pen F monochrome mode. Quite nice, I know, it isn’t a Pentax. Sorry about that. It is compact and easy to use. I suppose I could use a Pentax Q? If I had one.
To be fair. I also use a Pentax MX and an ME. I’d buy an LX if I could. Or one of those rare MSX cameras (did I get that right). I tend to like film. The medium format digital 645z, now!
Open Source raw converters like Darktable and RawTherapee can process raw pictures from monochrome-converted cameras without prior file conversion. You only need to switch their Demosaicing method to "Mono" (Rawtherapee) respectively "passthrough/monochrome" (Darktable). Both use libraw as their underlying demosaicing engine, which is also used by Monochrome2DNG.
This is true, me and another person who recently got a converted Pentax have been experimenting with other methods. For some reason I couldnt get dark table working properly, but the other photographer could.
UPDATES + CORRECTIONS: MG Leisure who did this beautiful conversion corrected a misunderstanding on my part as to what gets effected in the conversion process. I thought it was the shake reduction that was effected but he said "only the ultrasonic dust removal function will not work in some models, but this is not shake reduction (SR). SR will always work and is not related to sensor conversion." Additionally some have asked why convert if you can just switch to B+W in camera or in post from a color image. I sadly lost the clip where I talked about that so it didn't make it into the edit but in short, the technical advantage is that images are sharper (no anti aliasing filter) and have lower noise (the removal of the color filter array let's more light onto the sensor). James has a good overview in his review of the camera here: ua-cam.com/video/jRees9FA88U/v-deo.html I'll add that the more nuanced advantages is just the incredible tonality of the sensor with the CFA removed as well as the creative limitation of not being able to switch the profile back to color. There is something intangibly brilliant about the experience and I highly recommend it. Finally, Florian Cramer pointed out below that "Open Source raw converters like Darktable and RawTherapee can process raw pictures from monochrome-converted cameras without prior file conversion. You only need to switch their Demosaicing method to "Mono" (Rawtherapee) respectively "passthrough/monochrome" (Darktable). Both use libraw as their underlying demosaicing engine, which is also used by Monochrome2DNG." For those requesting to see the raw files as well, here you go: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZqvwTwxf4uy0teex9yIFZRjzW0zGUkhD?usp=sharing ❤
I’ve really enjoyed seeing your images from this camera show up on IG. For a long time I looked at Leica making monochrome cameras and rolled my eyes. It seemed like a gimmick and a way to fleece money from dentists and lawyers who wanted to buy an expensive camera. But I recently managed to score the original Leica M Monochrome, which is essentially the M9 stripped of its Bayer array. I have been simply blown away by what this 13 year old camera can make. The dynamic range is much better than on normal CCDs and like you I’ve found myself editing them only minimally. I’ve pushed to ISOs that I’d never try on my M9, and the grain just comes out looking like film. I’m a true believer in it now, and at some point I intend to pick up a Pixii as well.
Wow so cool! I was with you; never really understood why someone would spend money for a black and white camera but now I am totally hooked and converted. I think the M9M or Pixii would be dream additions.
I got a Leica M Monochrom (CCD) and initially I was unsure. But forcing myself to use it I absolutely love it. Even it can recover plenty from shadows and highlights as long as you don’t completely blow it. My friend who shoots Leica professionally said it’s as close to film as I’ll get and never sell it
@@OneMonthTwoCameras if it helps your decision - trade the m9 in for one and keep the m8. I def have too many cameras. I think I’ll stop when I get a q2 lol
I've always been obsessed with Monochrome only cameras and that's probably why I interviewed the owner of MaxMax all those years ago (it's on Steve Huff), but to be totally honest, once I got a Foveon (dp1) I felt less and less like a "regular" monochrome camera did it for me. Since SPP remembers the color profile you've selected, I almost never get tempted to look at the color versions, and only the sd Quattro do I choose to shoot in color...strange, I know. Having my DP2M is probably the reason I got the M240 instead of the Mono version...they ONLY Foveon user that shoots 99% Mono. :P
This truly is a shining light for the Foveon.Totally different experience but man you know how much I love my Sigmas. This camera feels a bit more cinematic dare I say simply because it's softer and you can put those limited lenses on and feel like you're living in a movie. I mean, gotta have both amirite?? :P
Another Foveon black and white fanboy here, and funnily enough like you the DP2M/SD Quattro combination is keeping me from being tempted by a b&w only body.
On the subject of monochrome cameras, Mattias Burling has put up a video on the Pixii and its monochrome mode which seems to be pretty interesting even though not a pure monochrome-only camera.
best cam channel! The BW photos looked great, I almost sent my griii to have the color filter removed but love the posi film too much. 😁 oh and nice mentos muzak ending theme. Keep the great content coming!!
Interesting vid and collab! Just to share: in 2021 I challenged myself to shoot only monochrome for 365 days, both film and digital (monochrome jpeg mode). I honestly found it difficult to abstain from color! For me it was a sacrifice, akin to abstaining from ice cream or meat, haha. Going exclusively mono for a week or a month is a fun project, but a whole year was just too much for me, haha!
Very cool video and the results from that camera is beautiful. My main digital camera right now is a K5 IIs and I love it. For black and white I think I will be sticking to my film cameras and Ilford/Kentmere films.
Excellent illuminating and entertaining video as usual. I'd be interested in hearing more about not having to post process any of the Pentax monochrome converted images SOOC. Like you, I love the process of post processing and I feel that there is always at least a little tweak that can be done to make the image more perfect.
Thank you Russ! It's true, a little tweak can go a long way but I very truly loved how these images came out and if I nailed the exposure, it was just a chef's kiss that I found lost some of its magic the moment I tried to put my grimy post processing hands on it :)
oh, and your sample files work PERFECTLY dropping right into DxO FilmPack 6 and selecting Tri-X. The "flatness" of these monochrome files is almost like shooting LOG and using FP 6 to grade. Super simple.
Ms. O'Keefe, I'm sure by now that you are aware that Pentax is coming out with a K3III Monochrome DSLR. The You Tube channel Samuel Streetlife has a channel previewing it. I enjoy your videos.
Very interesting. I did some photos the other day around the old part of my town and I don't normally do much post-processing. But I had a play with some of the standard filters available in the Apple Photos App and the Noir profile certainly gave my photos a definite improvement. I will export the colour and B/W versions and share them on line. I might also repeat the shots with some FP4 B/W film. Thank you for your continued inspiration and motivation. Definitely #nobadcameras
All the K series models are confusing for someone who is new to photography…. K5, K5 II , K5 iis, k10, k7, k50, k70, km2…. Idk where to begin 😭😭😭 or what would be best.
Another very interesting video thanks. I love B&W and often shoot this way (still an eager beginner) but what are the advantages to having a monochrome only sensor? Do you gain anything over conversions? Thanks Steve
A great question and I sadly lost the clip where I talked about that so it didn't make it into the edit but in short, the technical advantage is that images are sharper (no anti aliasing filter) and have lower noise (the removal of the color filter array let's more light onto the sensor). James has a good overview in his review of the camera here: ua-cam.com/video/jRees9FA88U/v-deo.html I'll add that the more nuanced advantages is just the incredible tonality of the sensor with the CFA removed as well as the creative limitation of not being able to switch the profile back to color. There is something intangibly brilliant about the experience and I highly recommend it.
@@OneMonthTwoCameras I love using my Sigma DP1 as a Hasselblad XPan clone: set the format to 21:9 and JPG to B&W, but also saving as RAW as a reserve (remains full colour and 3:2). There is no anti-aliasing filter and there is no colour filter array to begin with: the creaminess of the results is fabulous. I haven't had any reason to look at the RAWs so far and have some fabulous results from a recent trip to Scotland...if only Instagram would allow the 21:9 format...
One more question: Would it be possible to provide a few sample RAW files that you shot with the camera? In the case of monochrome converted sensor camera, it would really make sense to have a look at the full resolution images and get a feel for how they can be processed in raw converter software.
I've been waiting for this one! It seems like a really interesting camera. I also have never shot with a pure BW digital camera, and my two fears are orthogonal to each other: What if I don't like it, and miss all the chances at postprocessing that color gives? and also: What is I like it too much and then I have to buy my own? 😂
I have bad news Juan, you're going to want it! :P I may be up your way while you have it so we're going to have to do some ridiculous meta moment with this camera. I promised James we won't steal it from him though. Sad about that.... :P
Absolutely mind-blowing video/samples/review :-D Any website or other way to get in touch with MG Leisure? Asking because I do not use FB anymore…and I want my K5II converted ;-)
The only other way I know of is to reach out to him on Instagram @leisurephotoshoots. I loved this camera and can say you will have something very special if you convert your K5ii :)
I don't see much difference in the black and white conversion. The black and white files are good on the engine . maybe sharper.more micro contrast. Snapiness Rules
What are people's impressions of monochrome BW (jpeg mode) on a CCD sensor? Are there any observable advantages? Is that organic texture vibe still there?
I shoot B&W often on my SL and enjoy it more than shooting in colour. I am always amazed at how ugly my B&W shots are when viewed in colour. I’m not sure why that is but it intrigues me and keeps me hitting my B&W profile button when I pick up my camera. (ya, create a short cut button to flip into B&W mode with ease and you’ll find yourself shooting more B&W)
I know almost all cameras has B/W function, but I am just too scared to use that function when I am out there to shoot. I'm afraid that I might miss once in a life time "perfect colour photo moment" because I had my setting at b/w.. I got issues... :(
Increased detail and sharpness as well as less noise would be the technical advantages to a true monochrome conversion. Additionally, and I can't quantify this but I feel like there is more true graduation in the tones of the monochrome conversion than applying a filter or preset.
It's okay, here's a Photoshop tutorial video from PixImperfect letting you know how to quickly come back to color 😅 PS Beta update to colorize BW. I still remember this being my first PS assignment in CS2, now they just click a a few buttons ua-cam.com/video/K1xrOPKjPrA/v-deo.html
Pentax themselves have more than just hinted at actually producing a monochrome-only K-3 III. They presented a prototype and first results in their autumn/winter online presentation. ua-cam.com/video/IS3Mkaie8Ic/v-deo.html Your video to me confirms that I'm justifiably intrigued by the prospect (not so much by the prospect of shelling out almost €2k again for another camera body).
Thanks for the chat and being such a good sport about trying my camera out! I loved seeing your take on the camera and monochrome only in general. It's a good exercise for anyone to do every now and then. Whether with film, jpeg profile, or monochrome converted.
P.s. that chunky Pentax is so cute. Looking forward to that 😀
I really loved it! Thank you so much again. I am excited to shoot the 750Z next but I fear color now 😂
How many cameras have an option to shoot monochrome? I’ve been using a Olympus Pen F monochrome mode. Quite nice, I know, it isn’t a Pentax. Sorry about that. It is compact and easy to use. I suppose I could use a Pentax Q? If I had one.
Where are your feet? 😜😂
@@besperus4475 almost all of them .. Pen f has a decent engine geared towards black and white
To be fair. I also use a Pentax MX and an ME. I’d buy an LX if I could. Or one of those rare MSX cameras (did I get that right). I tend to like film.
The medium format digital 645z, now!
Open Source raw converters like Darktable and RawTherapee can process raw pictures from monochrome-converted cameras without prior file conversion. You only need to switch their Demosaicing method to "Mono" (Rawtherapee) respectively "passthrough/monochrome" (Darktable). Both use libraw as their underlying demosaicing engine, which is also used by Monochrome2DNG.
This is true, me and another person who recently got a converted Pentax have been experimenting with other methods. For some reason I couldnt get dark table working properly, but the other photographer could.
Super good to know! Thanks for highlighting.
Darktable OP
UPDATES + CORRECTIONS:
MG Leisure who did this beautiful conversion corrected a misunderstanding on my part as to what gets effected in the conversion process. I thought it was the shake reduction that was effected but he said "only the ultrasonic dust removal function will not work in some models, but this is not shake reduction (SR). SR will always work and is not related to sensor conversion."
Additionally some have asked why convert if you can just switch to B+W in camera or in post from a color image. I sadly lost the clip where I talked about that so it didn't make it into the edit but in short, the technical advantage is that images are sharper (no anti aliasing filter) and have lower noise (the removal of the color filter array let's more light onto the sensor). James has a good overview in his review of the camera here: ua-cam.com/video/jRees9FA88U/v-deo.html I'll add that the more nuanced advantages is just the incredible tonality of the sensor with the CFA removed as well as the creative limitation of not being able to switch the profile back to color. There is something intangibly brilliant about the experience and I highly recommend it.
Finally, Florian Cramer pointed out below that "Open Source raw converters like Darktable and RawTherapee can process raw pictures from monochrome-converted cameras without prior file conversion. You only need to switch their Demosaicing method to "Mono" (Rawtherapee) respectively "passthrough/monochrome" (Darktable). Both use libraw as their underlying demosaicing engine, which is also used by Monochrome2DNG."
For those requesting to see the raw files as well, here you go: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZqvwTwxf4uy0teex9yIFZRjzW0zGUkhD?usp=sharing
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I’ve really enjoyed seeing your images from this camera show up on IG. For a long time I looked at Leica making monochrome cameras and rolled my eyes. It seemed like a gimmick and a way to fleece money from dentists and lawyers who wanted to buy an expensive camera. But I recently managed to score the original Leica M Monochrome, which is essentially the M9 stripped of its Bayer array. I have been simply blown away by what this 13 year old camera can make. The dynamic range is much better than on normal CCDs and like you I’ve found myself editing them only minimally. I’ve pushed to ISOs that I’d never try on my M9, and the grain just comes out looking like film. I’m a true believer in it now, and at some point I intend to pick up a Pixii as well.
Wow so cool! I was with you; never really understood why someone would spend money for a black and white camera but now I am totally hooked and converted. I think the M9M or Pixii would be dream additions.
You make me so excited for photography! 📸
I am overjoyed to hear!!!
Brilliant Alexis - love watching yours and James' channels so seeing the two of you made my day. Cool bathroom scene BTW.
Thank you Cliff! Ha; glad you enjoyed the bathroom scene :P
I got a Leica M Monochrom (CCD) and initially I was unsure. But forcing myself to use it I absolutely love it. Even it can recover plenty from shadows and highlights as long as you don’t completely blow it.
My friend who shoots Leica professionally said it’s as close to film as I’ll get and never sell it
Man now I have more cameras I want :P
@@OneMonthTwoCameras if it helps your decision - trade the m9 in for one and keep the m8.
I def have too many cameras. I think I’ll stop when I get a q2 lol
@@paulanderson24 😂😂
I've always been obsessed with Monochrome only cameras and that's probably why I interviewed the owner of MaxMax all those years ago (it's on Steve Huff), but to be totally honest, once I got a Foveon (dp1) I felt less and less like a "regular" monochrome camera did it for me. Since SPP remembers the color profile you've selected, I almost never get tempted to look at the color versions, and only the sd Quattro do I choose to shoot in color...strange, I know. Having my DP2M is probably the reason I got the M240 instead of the Mono version...they ONLY Foveon user that shoots 99% Mono. :P
This truly is a shining light for the Foveon.Totally different experience but man you know how much I love my Sigmas. This camera feels a bit more cinematic dare I say simply because it's softer and you can put those limited lenses on and feel like you're living in a movie. I mean, gotta have both amirite?? :P
Another Foveon black and white fanboy here, and funnily enough like you the DP2M/SD Quattro combination is keeping me from being tempted by a b&w only body.
On the subject of monochrome cameras, Mattias Burling has put up a video on the Pixii and its monochrome mode which seems to be pretty interesting even though not a pure monochrome-only camera.
I saw that! That camera looks really interesting indeed.
best cam channel! The BW photos looked great, I almost sent my griii to have the color filter removed but love the posi film too much. 😁 oh and nice mentos muzak ending theme. Keep the great content coming!!
Thank you so much!!
Just found your channel! Have binged so many of your videos! Love it!
Holy Dave Maze, WHAAAAT?! I've watched you for years. Psyched to have you here and thank you so much!!
LOL that billar endorsement in the middle of the video cracked me up! Great review as always!
Haha! Thank you!!
That intro was 🔥 awesome video as always!
Aw thanks George!!!
I love this channel! You are so great at explaining and making tech interesting. Thank you for another great video.
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!!
Interesting vid and collab! Just to share: in 2021 I challenged myself to shoot only monochrome for 365 days, both film and digital (monochrome jpeg mode). I honestly found it difficult to abstain from color! For me it was a sacrifice, akin to abstaining from ice cream or meat, haha. Going exclusively mono for a week or a month is a fun project, but a whole year was just too much for me, haha!
Wow! I'm impressed and agree; I'd probably loose it if I could only shoot B+W for a whole year. I admire your commitment!
Very cool video and the results from that camera is beautiful. My main digital camera right now is a K5 IIs and I love it. For black and white I think I will be sticking to my film cameras and Ilford/Kentmere films.
enjoying hearing you chatting to fellow digi dorks! 💕 🤣
:P
Excellent illuminating and entertaining video as usual. I'd be interested in hearing more about not having to post process any of the Pentax monochrome converted images SOOC. Like you, I love the process of post processing and I feel that there is always at least a little tweak that can be done to make the image more perfect.
Thank you Russ! It's true, a little tweak can go a long way but I very truly loved how these images came out and if I nailed the exposure, it was just a chef's kiss that I found lost some of its magic the moment I tried to put my grimy post processing hands on it :)
Out of all the countries in the world, the guy had to be Lithuanian. Greetings from Lithuania 🙂
Ha! Hello Lithuania!!
Love the pics btw, especially your child reading the newspaper 📰 film noire a toddler movie 🍿
Ha!! Thank you!!
Some excellent shots there. Interesting stuff.
Many thanks!
Your cameras are multiplying like tribbles, you have been forced into the bathroom 😂
Exxxxxxactly!!! :P
oh, and your sample files work PERFECTLY dropping right into DxO FilmPack 6 and selecting Tri-X. The "flatness" of these monochrome files is almost like shooting LOG and using FP 6 to grade. Super simple.
100%!! Totally reminds me of log as well.
BTW, negative compensation up to 1 eV should be avoided if metering sensor is modified too (e.g. debayered). Tried it on K-1 monochrome
Lovely melancholy intro.
Thank you kindly x
Ms. O'Keefe, I'm sure by now that you are aware that Pentax is coming out with a K3III Monochrome DSLR. The You Tube channel Samuel Streetlife has
a channel previewing it. I enjoy your videos.
Different, but very informative & interesting, thanks!
Thank you!
Very interesting. I did some photos the other day around the old part of my town and I don't normally do much post-processing. But I had a play with some of the standard filters available in the Apple Photos App and the Noir profile certainly gave my photos a definite improvement. I will export the colour and B/W versions and share them on line. I might also repeat the shots with some FP4 B/W film.
Thank you for your continued inspiration and motivation.
Definitely #nobadcameras
I love that!
All the K series models are confusing for someone who is new to photography…. K5, K5 II , K5 iis, k10, k7, k50, k70, km2…. Idk where to begin 😭😭😭 or what would be best.
Another very interesting video thanks. I love B&W and often shoot this way (still an eager beginner) but what are the advantages to having a monochrome only sensor? Do you gain anything over conversions? Thanks Steve
A great question and I sadly lost the clip where I talked about that so it didn't make it into the edit but in short, the technical advantage is that images are sharper (no anti aliasing filter) and have lower noise (the removal of the color filter array let's more light onto the sensor). James has a good overview in his review of the camera here: ua-cam.com/video/jRees9FA88U/v-deo.html I'll add that the more nuanced advantages is just the incredible tonality of the sensor with the CFA removed as well as the creative limitation of not being able to switch the profile back to color. There is something intangibly brilliant about the experience and I highly recommend it.
A great answer thanks 😊
@@OneMonthTwoCameras I love using my Sigma DP1 as a Hasselblad XPan clone: set the format to 21:9 and JPG to B&W, but also saving as RAW as a reserve (remains full colour and 3:2). There is no anti-aliasing filter and there is no colour filter array to begin with: the creaminess of the results is fabulous. I haven't had any reason to look at the RAWs so far and have some fabulous results from a recent trip to Scotland...if only Instagram would allow the 21:9 format...
😱 You have got to look up the "Pentax Digibino db200" have you ever seen or used this camera?
Uh oh. Another rabbit hole!
One more question: Would it be possible to provide a few sample RAW files that you shot with the camera? In the case of monochrome converted sensor camera, it would really make sense to have a look at the full resolution images and get a feel for how they can be processed in raw converter software.
Happy to share. You can download some sample raws here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZqvwTwxf4uy0teex9yIFZRjzW0zGUkhD?usp=sharing
@@OneMonthTwoCameras So many thanks for this!
@@flcrn my pleasure :)
Been looking at that 20 to 40. Seems nice but out of my price range.
On sale at B&H $500USD
I've been waiting for this one! It seems like a really interesting camera. I also have never shot with a pure BW digital camera, and my two fears are orthogonal to each other: What if I don't like it, and miss all the chances at postprocessing that color gives? and also: What is I like it too much and then I have to buy my own? 😂
I have bad news Juan, you're going to want it! :P I may be up your way while you have it so we're going to have to do some ridiculous meta moment with this camera. I promised James we won't steal it from him though. Sad about that.... :P
@@OneMonthTwoCameras Well the K5 was one of my favorite Pentaxes and the one I shot the most pictures with, so yeah, this doesn't bode well... 🙂
Conspiring! 😆 But really I hope you enjoy it :)
Absolutely mind-blowing video/samples/review :-D Any website or other way to get in touch with MG Leisure? Asking because I do not use FB anymore…and I want my K5II converted ;-)
The only other way I know of is to reach out to him on Instagram @leisurephotoshoots. I loved this camera and can say you will have something very special if you convert your K5ii :)
I don't see much difference in the black and white conversion. The black and white files are good on the engine . maybe sharper.more micro contrast. Snapiness Rules
What are people's impressions of monochrome BW (jpeg mode) on a CCD sensor? Are there any observable advantages? Is that organic texture vibe still there?
Yay first!
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! Thanks for always being here
@@OneMonthTwoCameras i got you!
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I shoot B&W often on my SL and enjoy it more than shooting in colour. I am always amazed at how ugly my B&W shots are when viewed in colour. I’m not sure why that is but it intrigues me and keeps me hitting my B&W profile button when I pick up my camera. (ya, create a short cut button to flip into B&W mode with ease and you’ll find yourself shooting more B&W)
HAHAHAHAHA candy!!!!!!!!!!! Lets get you that Billar Sponsor!
also bathroom vibes on point!
I NEED THAT SUGAR!!
@@OneMonthTwoCameras how do you think I keep up my energy ahahahaha
@@BadFlashes 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I know almost all cameras has B/W function, but I am just too scared to use that function when I am out there to shoot. I'm afraid that I might miss once in a life time "perfect colour photo moment" because I had my setting at b/w..
I got issues... :(
Ha! I can relate. It's a good challenge though.
Just shoot in Raw+jpeg...the jpeg will be in BW although the Raw is stil in Colour
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Snapiness still not showing his big feet 😂😜
What would the advantage be over just switching my Olympus to monochrome?
Increased detail and sharpness as well as less noise would be the technical advantages to a true monochrome conversion. Additionally, and I can't quantify this but I feel like there is more true graduation in the tones of the monochrome conversion than applying a filter or preset.
@@OneMonthTwoCameras It would be interesting to take two identical cameras, with one converted and see what the difference is.
@@davejsullivan indeed it would :) Snappiness does it in his review pinned in my show notes
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Thank you for appreciating my absurdity :)
@@OneMonthTwoCameras Brought a big big smile to my face😃👍🏽
It's okay, here's a Photoshop tutorial video from PixImperfect letting you know how to quickly come back to color 😅 PS Beta update to colorize BW. I still remember this being my first PS assignment in CS2, now they just click a a few buttons
ua-cam.com/video/K1xrOPKjPrA/v-deo.html
Whhhhhhat?! Mind BLOWN.
@@OneMonthTwoCameras Me too. It used to take me hours to restore black and white images, this dude clicking 2 buttons 🤣 like it's magic 🪄
Pentax themselves have more than just hinted at actually producing a monochrome-only K-3 III. They presented a prototype and first results in their autumn/winter online presentation.
ua-cam.com/video/IS3Mkaie8Ic/v-deo.html
Your video to me confirms that I'm justifiably intrigued by the prospect (not so much by the prospect of shelling out almost €2k again for another camera body).
Ha! Yes I saw that and wow, it would be amazing if they release an M version. Such a wonderful output.