The problem like in every Kenyan problem is mismanagment. When we say mismanagment its theft of money meant to improve the factories. The culture and mindset is what needs to change in kenya. Just like Kenya power and every other govt entity. Just look at sports and the federations and how the athletes are treated. In budapest athletes were meant to be paid 300dollars a day instead they were paid 60dollars. Officials travlled in first class. One would ask why? Now any country these officials would be fired and sent to jail and refund the money they stole. In kenya not even the committee on sports has called for hearings and directed the DCI to investigate they have said nothing. To them this is no big deal. But our poor performance is directly related to the treatment athletes get from officials when they go overseas. We have a long way to go. In kenya anything goes.
"We don't know what happened to Mumias Sugar Company". We know. Kidero happened. And he had enough money there after to run, successfully for governor.
The conundrum is a chase-tail as one of the sugar-cane farmers on the panel demonstrated. Confusion on whats the way forward for farming household benefits, Kenya's consumer economy and hope for export potential
No no boss. 29,000 ha is on the high side. You need 18,000 harvested annually. We need a new farming n production PARADIGM bcz the 2nd blueprint of 1960s to date cannot work. Had kenya improved on the 1st colonial paradigm would have work but lingering Booker tate concept we embraced n still holding on is WRONG. Booker tate brought the industry on to a precipice. We must do otherwise. Mumias was set wrongly frm the onslaught
I totally agree with the comment tht revival will not succeed . Thy dont need 29,000 acres BUT as nucleus estate owned by the Miller. They need irrigated cane farming.
The storry is selfserving because currently all factories are getting sugarcane from Muhoroni area including Kabras and the new Ruto factory built next door. The area should stop exporting its cane outside the zone so that areas without cane but have factories should be the victims.The government proposal is a joke
I ve quite alot on sugar production n cane farming n believe it cant work; simply put the law of comparative advantage n also concept of opportunity cost. That is why farmers are withdrawing frm cane farming frm the western belt. Their case days are less than 100 which is poor.
If they sort payment details to the farmers it doesn't matter what management do with the product. Kenya brewery get barley from farmers and paid according to the agreement and so sugar farmers should get the same deal. Sort payment and farmers are happy.
It is not as simple as you put it. Today, the effect of government owned sugar factories in determining how frustrating cane farming is more or less like imagining that the rent that city county sets for their houses has effect on what private developers charge. The private millers take most of the cane and they pay. But is it that what they pay pee tonne is realistic for the farmer or is it that the farm yields are too low for the exercise to make economic sense? The talk of ancient machinery being used is nonsense. Those same so called ancient equipment produced 1 ton of sugar from 9 tons of cane before. What has happened that today they can only produce 1 ton of sugar from 16 tons of cane? What about the a) cost of land preparation, planting, crop husbandry b) time it takes cane to mature, c) the yield of cane from the farm per acre and d) the sugar content in the cane? For the farmer, these are the things that matter. Item d) is what matters most to the factory. We can not be behaving like we want to invent sugar cane processing. Uganda next door had non single sugar factory some 30 or so years back, today they export to Kenya. Did they use a different technology? Of course not. Kenya ni nchi ya wakora tu. Hiyo ndiyo shida kubwa sana. Second is sugar cane farmers entrusting their lives to crooked politicians.
True absolutely NO R & D done in this sector. Not at all. Thy just do the old traditional analysis. THY must get a new sugarcane and sugar blue print n completely improve on this current treasury blueprint. On its position it will not revitalise the subsector
I try not to see it but i swear they got yo latif somehow,its clear sugar is a case of mismanagement.Whenever these companies are under receivership they work and when they are returned they dont function anymore.
How much does Private miller's have? These are bland points! Kibos, Sukari, West Kenya has no catchment. Non sense - Kenana is not fully mechanised. Mauritius is small and India is small scale driven. Diversification is a point but Mumias was diversified but failed. Kibos is not viable - built false premises!
State owned mills contribution to national total production is 20% and private mills 80%. When the sugar industry fails as is the case now, is it the 20% or the 80% or both? CT is a know it all, yet his is an uninformed rant! All sugar Mills produce power. Butali has no Ethanol or Power surplus.
C.T. You are speaking for me. They must go to the ground and be told by the farmer what their experience is.
The problem like in every Kenyan problem is mismanagment. When we say mismanagment its theft of money meant to improve the factories. The culture and mindset is what needs to change in kenya. Just like Kenya power and every other govt entity. Just look at sports and the federations and how the athletes are treated. In budapest athletes were meant to be paid 300dollars a day instead they were paid 60dollars. Officials travlled in first class. One would ask why? Now any country these officials would be fired and sent to jail and refund the money they stole.
In kenya not even the committee on sports has called for hearings and directed the DCI to investigate they have said nothing. To them this is no big deal. But our poor performance is directly related to the treatment athletes get from officials when they go overseas.
We have a long way to go. In kenya anything goes.
Is sugar beet viable, is fodder for the diary industry feasible, cassava et al
"We don't know what happened to Mumias Sugar Company". We know. Kidero happened. And he had enough money there after to run, successfully for governor.
I have read the treasury blue print but it has salient gaps
The conundrum is a chase-tail as one of the sugar-cane farmers on the panel demonstrated. Confusion on whats the way forward for farming household benefits, Kenya's consumer economy and hope for export potential
Should be ran by military with clear instructions. KMC is working
No no boss. 29,000 ha is on the high side. You need 18,000 harvested annually. We need a new farming n production PARADIGM bcz the 2nd blueprint of 1960s to date cannot work.
Had kenya improved on the 1st colonial paradigm would have work but lingering Booker tate concept we embraced n still holding on is WRONG. Booker tate brought the industry on to a precipice. We must do otherwise. Mumias was set wrongly frm the onslaught
I totally agree with the comment tht revival will not succeed . Thy dont need 29,000 acres BUT as nucleus estate owned by the Miller. They need irrigated cane farming.
The storry is selfserving because currently all factories are getting sugarcane from Muhoroni area including Kabras and the new Ruto factory built next door. The area should stop exporting its cane outside the zone so that areas without cane but have factories should be the victims.The government proposal is a joke
I ve quite alot on sugar production n cane farming n believe it cant work; simply put the law of comparative advantage n also concept of opportunity cost. That is why farmers are withdrawing frm cane farming frm the western belt. Their case days are less than 100 which is poor.
If they sort payment details to the farmers it doesn't matter what management do with the product. Kenya brewery get barley from farmers and paid according to the agreement and so sugar farmers should get the same deal. Sort payment and farmers are happy.
It is not as simple as you put it. Today, the effect of government owned sugar factories in determining how frustrating cane farming is more or less like imagining that the rent that city county sets for their houses has effect on what private developers charge. The private millers take most of the cane and they pay. But is it that what they pay pee tonne is realistic for the farmer or is it that the farm yields are too low for the exercise to make economic sense?
The talk of ancient machinery being used is nonsense. Those same so called ancient equipment produced 1 ton of sugar from 9 tons of cane before. What has happened that today they can only produce 1 ton of sugar from 16 tons of cane?
What about the a) cost of land preparation, planting, crop husbandry b) time it takes cane to mature, c) the yield of cane from the farm per acre and d) the sugar content in the cane? For the farmer, these are the things that matter. Item d) is what matters most to the factory.
We can not be behaving like we want to invent sugar cane processing. Uganda next door had non single sugar factory some 30 or so years back, today they export to Kenya. Did they use a different technology? Of course not.
Kenya ni nchi ya wakora tu. Hiyo ndiyo shida kubwa sana. Second is sugar cane farmers entrusting their lives to crooked politicians.
True absolutely NO R & D done in this sector. Not at all. Thy just do the old traditional analysis. THY must get a new sugarcane and sugar blue print n completely improve on this current treasury blueprint. On its position it will not revitalise the subsector
I try not to see it but i swear they got yo latif somehow,its clear sugar is a case of mismanagement.Whenever these companies are under receivership they work and when they are returned they dont function anymore.
Long story short,deal with corruption first and foremost and then move on from there.
These factories will never run by Kenyans..sell them to foreigners.
How much does Private miller's have? These are bland points! Kibos, Sukari, West Kenya has no catchment. Non sense - Kenana is not fully mechanised. Mauritius is small and India is small scale driven. Diversification is a point but Mumias was diversified but failed. Kibos is not viable - built false premises!
State owned mills contribution to national total production is 20% and private mills 80%. When the sugar industry fails as is the case now, is it the 20% or the 80% or both? CT is a know it all, yet his is an uninformed rant! All sugar Mills produce power. Butali has no Ethanol or Power surplus.
If was from Western i would just plant maize instead of wasting time with sugarcane
Both crops are a waste of time.
Let's plant wajackoya
@@Kittygacha_playzdo you know what you're talking about? 😅
Kenya is like a chicken farm. However the chicken always elect a fox to run the farm and later on complain of missing livestock.
Political interference in public for-profit enterprises in Africa is like lightning meeting thunder, trouble.
This country went to the dogs long ago
These factories will never run by Kenyans..sell them to foreigners.