Herodotus' ethnography of north Africa is at 4.168-197, which he refers to as "Libya" (see 4.36-45 on how he divides the continents). Which of the dozens of people he lists are "Black" is unclear. In addition to Aethipians [note: the "cave dwelling Aethiopians are listed as living in western African mountains and are hunted by the Garamantes], there are the Ammoniana, the Mauretanians, and the Atarantes, which are all likely "Black." In 4.197, Herodotus says: "The are the people of the Libyans we are able to name. Most of them do not worry about the Persian king in the present nor did they earlier. I am able to say this much about the land: there are four tribes [note: "tribes" = Greek ethnea, while the dozens of names he gives are "peoples" who self identify within these ethnea] that inhabit Libya and no more than that. That much I know. Two of them are indigenous [Greek = authochthones] and two are not. The Libyans, who live in the north and the Aithiopians, who live in the south [south = southern portion of north Africa] are indigenous; The Phoenicians and Greeks are immigrants [ immigrants = Greek epeludes]. Herodotus' understanding of geography makes clear that all of these people live in what is today north of the Sahara and west of Egypt, which he considers a separate space and which also has Aethiopians.
Libya according to Herodtous Map of africa includes most of Centeral africa and not the modern borders of the country named Libya so its expected that south libyans would be Black and North Libyans would be white since south libya is actually part of sub saharan africa while North Libya was pupolated by the North africans. encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk67NJABo_v18lbcsJF5MiJAXYWlUWnR4et0U0KvJgutNHWERL6Pun4c5N&s=10
Herotodus tried to rewrite history and Egyptian library was the primary source when the Greeks ruled the known world, had to put their name on everything. They desecrated Egyptian statues, by smashing them because they had "black" noses, trying to erase that black people even existed, which is obviously overt racism. The sub Saharan climate was different thousands of years ago, it was a grassland with bodies of water, rivers and lakes, after the last interglacial period. Lesson: don't use the term subsaharan.
I guess we are gonna have to stop using the term "Sub-Saharan" and start saying "West African" Or Senegal River. I don't want to say South African because there is possibly also a cultural difference at this time between the hunter-gatherers of the South Africa area, and the more "civilized" Bantu's further north that is more pastoral. Not sure where agriculture mixes in with all this, but Agriculture was not as efficient back then as it is today, so if the people practiced it around Senegal, Niger rivers, or the river systems around the marshes near Lake Victoria it might have needed to be supported by pastoral activities as well. Would really be interesting to hear from an actual expert who studies African history beyond Egypt and Ethiopia. lol.
@@matamatosa8898 Yes there was a Kingdom that bordered Egypt and also during Roman times, pretty much Lybia. They were horrible people from what I read if we judge them by our standards. One of their sports were hunting the people south of them I believe they called them "Ethiopians". They would chase them down with chariots and the Ethiopians would run and hide in caves. Inside the caves they found the artwork of depictions of the Chariot hunts. I remember the Lybian King and either the Egyptians or Romans got into an argument because I think the Egyptians were freely trading with this "Sub-Saharan" culture. The Lybians were mad because they considered that culture as their subject or possession, and wanted the trade going thru them. Something in that essence at least, been a few years since I read that on like Wikipedia lol.
The late Cheikh Anta Diop put it aptly when he said that they define white in the broadest sense possible so as to try to accommodate as much civilizations as possible for themselves, while defining blackness in the narrowest sense so as to limit it only to those south of the sahara, even at times defining it even narrower to certain language groups e.g Bantus.
@@francisgalton2678 Not true. Blacks come in various hues. Here in the USA, if you had "one" drop of black blood, you were BLACK. Perfect example was Rosa Parks who was classified as black and arrested for sitting in the "white" section. Plenty of other examples... So your statement is false. At one time, the Italians were not considered "white". Now that the white population is declining.."black/brown" is the new white. Well, I reject the "new" definition of "whiteness".
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Yes my father told me that a longtime ago we were from East Africa in Kemet/Egyptos but our people escape from Kemet to West Africa because we were persecuted by the Romans. He said we were killed daily. We have oral stories and song that describes what happened during this time. One day I wish to compile all these songs and oral stories and share them with all my people. I think that something that has to be done.
You all can’t find your immediate lineages that DEFINITELY go to west Africa but somehow you all sense you’re from Egypt, a place you had NO WAY of getting to at that time! You know you’re lying in a language someone else gave you and can understand when you’re lying, right?
The Mali empire had prolific ship building and trade across the Atlantic. The Spanish and Portuguese, along with the R.C.C ✝️, conspired to capture them, ensl ve them, and take over their intercontinental trade routes that had been established long before Columbus. You can't teach this in Western schools. So they deleted how they went from 14th century famine, plaugues, and poverty to sailing the seas by the 15th century. They weren't smart enough to figure it out, so they had to steal others' work and remove it from history. Each century since, they've been writing out African achievements to cover their tracks.
@@raidermanic872 they will never agree. They want it all, so greedy. They have advanced the current world but have no shame. Okay forget about all the bad stuff that as gone on before notably slavery and colonisation, most would like to move on and mostly forgive. But they want it all, to feel superior about everything without wanting to give credit were it is due to anyone especially to my black brothers and sisters
It is better to talk about what her European ancestors did with regard to the oppression and genocide of the Native American Indians. It is better than sticking her nose to what does not concern you. Leave North Africa and that's ours. We have our Berber genes, especially in North Africa, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco, we have our own language and 🧬 genus It is better than trying to please black people by stealing the history and civilizations of other countries
The obsession over ancient Egypt is uncanny and it shows, everyone wants to relate to it as it benefits themselves and their people. Ancient Egypt was very much an African civilization just as ancient Rome was a European civilization. If anything, later dynastic periods show ancient Egyptians getting lighter and that could be a result of intermixing with other outside groups. But I think it’s obvious that pre dynastic and earlier periods consisted of a people’s indigenous to the continent ie Northeast Africa and if this is hard to understand than just hang it up people and move on 🥴
@Dean Gulberry The oldest mummy in Africa is that of a black mummy name "Uan Muhuggiag", there is a documentary about the Uan Muhuggiag mummy here in UA-cam. And Nubians also ruled Egypt in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.
this is a favorite of modern egyptians...I just brought this up recently in a discussion. Sub saharan today is used to describe what some believe are "african" or "black" features. What they also fail to realize is that these feartures aren't the same even among those "sub saharans"
Racist people will never associate Kemet/ Egypt, Egyptian as black african people. Even though Greeks like Diodorus whom saw, interacted with, learned from tells you that the were black skinned wooly haired people. And that they were the same people as the Nubians/ Kushites. Even though they tell you on the Papyrus of Hunefer that the came from the beginning of the Nile where Hapi dwells. Despite the fact that black East Africans actually look like the Medu Neter/ Hieroglyphics. My people can never be great in a world view.
Because the name Ethiopia wasn't necessarily a reference to the modern state bearing that name but was a general name for the lands South of Egypt (especially Sudan) and at times other areas in North Africa.
@@listenup2882 the ancient writers did a great diservice to your comfort zone and you are doing your best trying to wiggle out of it. For no apparent reason the ancients kept mentioning Ethiopians everywhere - in the old testament, in the new testament, in the Koran, in the first literature of the western world - etc, etc. Those who are not well read assume things like you are doing. Keep at it - live in your own bubble.
@@nn-lw7hv I think it's pretty fair to say that an ancient times East Africans in general are known as Ethiopians by people from outside of that region albeit neighboring areas but still
I grew up in Mississippi. In a totally segregated era, folks of Middle Eastern descent (there were quite a few; New Orleans had been the port of entry for many middle eastern folks), and Italians, of which there were a huge number in the Mississippi delta (Post civil war, whole villages had been brought in to work in agriculture) went to white schools. According to the older white folks, they were'nt REALLY white, and were discriminated against in many ways. They fought to be white. As many white folks moved away, and some institutions needed more numbers/resources, they moved up in the social hierarchy. This was facilitated by intermarriage and increasing economic clout. I heard two classmates who were just assuming positions of responsibility at the local country club, laugh that they wouldn't have been allowed to be members in the 'sixties.
What does this have to do with the video? And out of Africa has been debunked so no we aren't "all Africans". Even if our common ancestor was from Africa it wouldn't make us all Africans. Everytime I hear people spew this I cringe. History needs to stop being a playground for egalitarian fan fiction.
@@alexhurt7919 out of Africa has not been debunked. You’re just hurt about it. Stop arguing with people online about your racist beliefs and go get some counseling
@@AP-uc8rr so let me get this right. Your argument consists of telling me I'm wrong and calling me racist? That's convincing. Do you usually try to shut people down who disagree with you by calling them racist? Have you considered that might mean that you're wrong? Cro-magnon is the oldest fully modern human. Cro-magnon has not been found in Africa. Cro-magnon has been found in italy. Therefore out of Africa theory has no ground to stand on. The first hominid is out of Africa, but not the first fully modern human. It's as simple as that. There's a plethora of other evidence, but I don't even need it because that's enough.
Upper "Egypt" is considered the land to the SOUTH, as the Nile River flows from south to North and to my understanding that's how the ancient people categorized it initially. It's the eurocentric mapping of the world that has ppl thinking upper Egypt is in the north but the ancient ppl called interior Africa 'upper' as the Nile flows from the mountains of Tanzania and Uganda DOWN to Egypt. So it's most logical that the civilization(s) started in the south and flowed down the river (up north) as the rivers buoyancy allowed ppl to set sail down the river (north) and CONTINUE to create and develop from the civilization that that started in the interior like the ancient ppl of Egypt themselves said. See Dr. Joseph Ben Jochannan, Ashrwa Kwesi, Anthony Browder, Dr. Cheik Anta Diop, Martin Bernal and others
Yes Upper Egypt is South Egypt and Lower Egypt is North Egypt as per the flow of the nile, but that doesn’t mean that it started with the sources of the Nile 6500 km away. For Ancient Egyptians, Egypt is divided in 2: Upper (from the southern border with Nubia starting from the first cataract in Aswan to the beginning of the delta area and Lower from Delta to the Mediterranean in the North. Ancient Egyptians called Egypt “the Two Lands” and king was referred to as Nesw (Upper), Bity (Lower) means king of the Two Lands (each part had its own crown, red Upper and white Lower combined in one crown) and each had its own sign en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenomen_(Ancient_Egypt) Ancient Egyptians recognized their southern border and their southern enemies as Nubia, which they called Nehs So since the beginning of their civilization and during the first dynasties, these were their land and they didn’t recognize or mention any parts further south.
@@patriciadegross5418 On the contrary dear, they were never black, actually all skin shades existed in Egypt as indigenous people except for blacks who were either enemies or war slaves and that’s the Ancient Egyptians opinion as depicted on their temple walls, Tombs, papyrus. I guess i have to believe the Ancient Egyptians themeselves and DNA tests not just some lies from some insignificant wanabes, culture vultures, who have no history, no dignity and very low selfesteem and only make fool of themselves that the whole world is laughing at them and every race is fed up of their lies and how they try to leach on other races history. They are just a pathetic bunch of idiots.
@@Sema-Tawy That shows how much you know, Nubia was home to multiple groups. So when you say Egyptians were at war with Southern enemies Nubia, which Nubian groups are you referring to? When they went to war with Nubians they had help from other Nubian groups so who specifically are you talking about?
I did not expect to find this hidden gem in my recommended list on UA-cam! VERY interesting! Thank you for the enlightening information! As a black woman I’m always fascinated by how modern agendas shape how people chose to shape history into a more self-serving narrative. I enjoyed your insights! I wish history was taught with this sort of lens. Nowadays our history in schools is so watered down.
Africa, and I mean the entire continent, is the land of the black people. The invading Arabians came to North Africa and settled there much, much later.
Which is quite hilarious considering people still to this day cross the Sahara Google can I help you friends you can still find pictures of black North Africans the semites reverse migrated back into Africa. Fun fact most North Africans are just the sentence of mulattos
The fact I just recently learned that this man died makes me so sad RIP Nick a true historian without a dog in the fight just had a genuine willingness to lean. 😢
There is a god? You must have no life! I have a suggestion for you! How about you go out and socialize find a girlfriend/boyfriend whoever you prefer! I understand it’s lonely in this world but it’s possible for you to get a life!
1st Golden Age (Old K) from -2665- 2160 BCE ), Dynasties 3-6. Pyramids period. 2nd Golden Age (Mid K) from- 2040 - 1784 BCE , Dynasties 11-12. Literacy period . 3rd Golden Age ( New K) from -1554-1190 BCE, Dynasties 18-19 .Temples and Imperial Age. 4th Golden Age (Late K) from - 760 - 657 BCE , Dynasty 25 .Revival Age. Invasions: Hyksos -1750- 1152 Persians 525 - 405 and 343 - 332 Greeks - 332 - 30 BCE Romans 30 - 395 ACE Vandals 429 (Greeks named KMT " Egypt" ) Arabs 651- 710 And yet, ( Arabs ) still claim " Egyptians " as their ancestors while in reality they are descendants of Mamelooks, Greeks, Turks , Romans, Scythians, French ..... Source : " Kemetic Chronology : A summary Related to Other Important African Events " . Dr Asa G. Hillard
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII Sir Hyksos are Greeks, Persians etc they migrated from the Aegean Sea. That is Theo start of European History in the Aegean Sea.
@@Michael_De_Santa-Unofficial Hyksos is European I have an World History Atlas and I have World Religion Encuclopedias. You have to do a better research when you want to give out blotched information
The Arabs ARE not descendants of either the Greeks, nor the Scythians, nor the Turks, nor the Greeks, nor the Romans, nor the French, and no, not even the Mamluks. Oh, and also, the Mamluks were a military caste, and were also of many diverse origins. Try to get your facts right. :)
I am awaiting translations of the Libraries of Timbuktu, that were secreted out to prevent destruction by the Islamic extremists. While I expect Islamic treatises, their May also be other books that can be considered as history of African relations.
@Gerry C Timbuktu is in Mali. The “ Libraries” were kept in the houses of private citizens. Not in a single building. Many books are so old that those who have the library could not read them. Due to the extremist Islamic movement in Mali, a scholar from there, was able to convince most of the owners to allow the books to be smuggled out as he told them if the extremists took control, they would destroy the books because even if they were Islamic Texts, they would not conform to the extremist views. As I understand it, the books are in the care of the French as Mali used to be a French possession and France stepped u0 to overcome the extremists.
@Akm Akm not intentionally, but since these were in private houses, individuals could easily have mistaken ancient books. A parallel is what happened when Rome invaded Syracuse. The order was to take Archimedes alive but when a soldier found an old Man scribbling in the dirt, and he did not immediately get up,the soldier killed him. It was Archimedes. And at another time, one of his books was partially erased and made into a psalmist. Probably by a religious person who could not understand what was written as it was a mathematical treatise. All writing undergoes changes in both figure and context including Sanskrit, so a quick glance at an ancient text could easily be misunderstood, even those of Islamic contemplations on the Suras. There can also be such contemplation that does not agree with what one may have been taught. There is a difference in a scholastic treatise and an extreme religious interpretation. Historically, Islam has been known for its scholarship.but some are determined to undermine that for power.
The confusion is, Lower ancient Egypt was ruled by Invaders for 400 years and was expelled. All people need to do is look and the art and how they depicted themselves
@@youcantknoweveragain2364 Also, ancient people often depict themselves in symbol rather than realistic terms - people are given distinct skin tones based on their gender in several periods of ancient Egyptian art.
@@ugalitamu9082 correct, it wouldn’t matter as long as the truth was always there. We are dealing with descendants of fallen angels was the Most High cursed this group white. Unlike the black Ancestors who came down and walk with our ancestors
@@Aligbo There is no religious text of any time period that suggests this. You're as bad as the catholics and the jews. Let it go and just search for the truth in history. It won't give you what you want, but your mind will be clear, and your burden will be lifted.
Excellent video. I shared this on my FB page last November to help prove what a lot of people been saying for years. It's always a blessing to see our brothers and sisters speaking the truth.
Thank you for calling out the bigotry of eurocentric teaching. Even the fact Greeks learned from Egyptians is seldom said. It's know Nubia was in control of Egypt for a dynasty. Egypt has been bigger than it is today and has been smaller, ruled by different people at different times. And yes no one is "black" or "white", white is just a dominant force on the world today. Caused by the separation imposed by Roman's against the rest of the world and the unification of German and Roman descendants to oppress the world.
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Love your videos. Thank you so much for this. The biggest thing that separates your channel from many is that you have many experts come on your channel to speak. Love it.
I'm glad someone is finally telling the truth about things we know are to be real..No need to spread continuous lie and the Ancient Egyptians..Things were not how they are now with all this racism..Everyone knows the truth but racism and racist hate to admit the truth..
Genetic information states otherwise. Not white, but not Sub-Saharan either "An international team of scientists, led by researchers from the University of Tuebingen and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, successfully recovered and analyzed ancient DNA from Egyptian mummies dating from approximately 1400 BCE to 400 CE, including the first genome-wide nuclear data from three individuals, establishing ancient Egyptian mummies as a reliable source for genetic material to study the ancient past. The study, published today in Nature Communications, found that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did, whereas ancient Egyptians were found to be most closely related to ancient people from the Near East." "The study found that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to ancient populations in the Levant, and were also closely related to Neolithic populations from the Anatolian Peninsula and Europe. "The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the 1,300 year timespan we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule," says Wolfgang Haak, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena. The data shows that modern Egyptians share approximately 8% more ancestry on the nuclear level with Sub-Saharan African populations than with ancient Egyptians. "This suggests that an increase in Sub-Saharan African gene flow into Egypt occurred within the last 1,500 years," explains Stephan Schiffels, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena. Possible causal factors may have been improved mobility down the Nile River, increased long-distance trade between Sub-Saharan Africa and Egypt, and the trans-Saharan slave trade that began approximately 1,300 years ago."
I'm happy to see someone White admitting the Whitewashing of Ancient Egypt is all about contemporary European culture appropriation and Arab assimilation into Whiteness.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 dummy; north Africa only belong to light amazigh while Subsahary is the continent from where the subsaharan american came as slaves!!!
OMG😂😂😂😂. I don’t even have a degree in this stuff and said the same exact thing she did. Verbatim. It’s basic common sense but it’s also good to see a professional say the same thing. Just because the Europeans didn’t know how to cross the Sahara; it doesn’t mean the native Africans lacked the knowledge to cross
Give me a break europeans needed others to rise ! And today the others decide to self rise and i see declin3 in Europe @@richardjohnston3359 Stop underestimating these folks whose resources helped you rise to these heights
Ancient Egypt wasn’t made up of just one tribe, there were of 40 split between upper and lower, also they conquered to Mesopotamia and considered those people part of the empire
@@MatthewQuigley We Ethiopias and Eritreans have been writing for at least 5000years and still. And the oldest bible is in our language. The Romans thought whole Europeans to live.... The Romans made “peace” with Ethiopia as they called it. And never taxed them. To be kind I guess or the truth is Alexander and the one’s before him all lost.. You know nothing because your own ppl don’t want you to know! East Africa has the best climate in the world our capitals are above 2000m with 26-28 degrees Celsius everyday they whole year around. It’s the center of the world literally. The sun sets at 6 and rise at 6. I didn’t think this is the fact in London
Most of the history was destroyed. Not just by isis, but also rome. Look up 70ad. Ancient knowledge and wisdom of the greatest civilizations in the past 20,000 years is almost completely gone now. Sad but true
@@rome7164 Rome never got that far into Africa. I don't think we can blame them for our lack of knowledge regarding, say, what the Zulus were doing in 70 AD. But then you are "Rome," so you should really know this!
A very insightful presentation and much needed hidden truth of colonial ripple effect that has distorted reality and truth. The sad thing is that many of us in the African continent participate in this separation ideology. Keep up the good work!
Sub-Saharan Africa was an invented term in 1978, to try and separate North Africans from equatorial Africans, and some how transform North Africans into white people, while having to admit that equatorial Africans were black, but news flash, before the copious invasion, immigrations, and colonizations, from western Asia and Europe, North Africa was also indigenously black people, including the Egyptians.
I guess you don't understand that the oldest DNA is found in black people and no other race. That's where here before all other races and everyone else genetically changed to Arab Asian Hispanic or white it's not my opinion (mitochondrial eve) look her up proves it.
@@tipsandtricks6071 ok then, isawel aq'idi se Tamazight mala ? Oh you don't speak Berber ?, strange, I thought you guys were here before us, because as far as I'm concerned numidia Mauritania Carthage Massyles massysiles garamantes and every kingdom here spoke Berber before islam,but alright we can settle it in another way, show me your tifinagh tattoos ? no tattoos ? Name me your past 10 ancestors ? still can't ?, Alr, which imazighen tribe do you belong to ? you have absolutely no idea about the history of the region mate, you aren't even worth to be taken seriously lol, instead of parasiting to other people's legacy how about you focus on your country and your legacy ? and lmao don't bring up genetics you're making a joke of yourself
The difference between me and you is that everything I said about DNA can literally be watched on UA-cam videos from reliable sources and you can look at the articles online. The science doesn't care about your feelings. The Americans in America have been here for 400 years that does not make them the original people. It's the same way the current people living in Egypt are not the original people. Herodotus was unbiased and is a source of unbiased information because he saw the true Egyptians and what they look like. He described them as black and he will be more accurate than anything you say.
@@tipsandtricks6071 and again you got no arguments, you got no knowledge on the genetic side of it and If you did you wouldn't be falling for those biased afro centrist UA-camrs, but it doesn't really matter, cuz *actual* science and genetics side with us, no one is going to take you people seriously your whole racist community is a joke lol, North Africa isn't black and never was, case closed
The ancient Greek and Roman historians are the only non bias and transparent historians that can be trusted when it comes to the accuracy of European sources.
Not really, for example in the case of Carthage the sources are usually not 100% trustworthy because of animosity between the Greco Roman world and the Punic civilization
@Gas Enjoyer... It was Herodotus that said "“The Ethiopians to whom Cambyses sent these gifts are reputed to be the tallest and most beautiful of all peoples.”........"Black" was not considered a Bad-Omen in Hellenistic culture.... Africans Exist as powerful royalty in ancient greco Mythology..as for example..Queen Andromeda.and were seen favorably by ancient greesks....after all the most famous greeks minds renowned today went to africa to STUDY...greek culture via minoan culture was borne out of a black egyptian culture....the roman historians also speak of Africans very favorably.... up until the..... punic wars[and some even after that] ...after the punic wars Rome developed a fear and hatred for Black Africa [Thanks to Carthage & Hannibal] and spread anti Black Africa propaganda throughout their empire....Anti Black African Historic views really exploded in the late 1600's and 1700's...among the french, British, germans, dutch and Americans "intellects", "archelogists" and "historians"....
I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks the ancient Egyptians were white. Arab looking maybe but not European white. I’ve never read a book that says that, I’ve never heard an instructor say this, I’ve never heard a podcast that asserts this. If a person asserts that Egyptians were white you immediately know they are incredibly ignorant but honestly I don’t know anyone except maybe Hollywood but they’re the epitome of ignorance. This whole talk was stupid because they never say who the “they” are. There is never once an example of the crazy racists who are going around trying to convince people the Egyptians were white. Honestly they kind of sound the ancient alien people. Their arms must be sore from patting themselves on the back for being so smart and so anti-racist.
That funny cause I have Egyptians books with Caucasians features & Blue Eyes, Blonde hair or brown, red or black straight hair Mummies. Arabs or Arabians are Caucasians who are very mixed today & are genetically related to the Jews/Israelites who are Caucasians. They are Semites of the Caucasian Race.
actually,USA has over 9.800.000 km2 and Sahara has 9.200.000 km2 but you're close ....btw,I believe this woman speaks about ideology and has nothing to do with history
@@lawrencedanao7648 No its not, the Bering Strait was a longer barrier to cross, but it happened. Its not different that the Mason Dixon line..traveling from south to north.
@@lawrencedanao7648 the Nile connects Egypt to the south of the Sahara via Sudan and Ethiopia. In fact, its source has been traced as far back as Uganda or Kenya (not sure which) therefore, there's no real separation of the kind that people like to imagine. Also, there's research that's being conducted to establish the level of trade between Sub-Saharan West Africa and North Africa, the goal of which research being to prove that the Sahara was not the kind of barrier that has been popularized.
Just because someone's fictional attempt to hijack history backs up one political views does not make it the truth, Mr Goat head. Watching a video further ingraining your view on a particular false narrative whilst not trying to understand the broader historical context to verify if your understanding is legit or not is intellectual lazy . A wize man once said, "Whatever floats your goat , ain't necessarily a boat"
Tl;dr: white is bad and racist. There were black and "not black" people in Egypt, but no white people. I would love to see your guest discussing the also racist claims if the jews/egyptians/vikings were black movement, but I seriously doubt she can discuss anything except whiteness is bad.
@@FlowerPowerDeathShow look her up. Her specialties are critical theory fields and literature not history, genetics, archaelogy or anything like that who would actually be an expert on the subject 😂
Whenever the supremacy of science and reason tramples fragile egos and personal emotions it is far easier to attempt to discredit and manufacture excuses than to deal with the pungent acidity of reality...
Thank you for saying what many mainstream and many modern white people don't. Plus there are still Black peoples all over North Africa but they are discriminated against and their existence is not acknowledged in censuses.
The thing is they are disingenuous because they always compare the skulls of egyptians with west africans. They never compared skulls of egyptian mummies with east africans such as ethiopians and somalis. Africans are diverse. Different regions have different skulls and features!
Thanx for tackling a subject most people wouldnt dare engage in for fear of being labeled an afrocentric but nonetheless i applaud you for speaking on the racial undertone of sub saharan which is just a scientific way of calling native africans subhuman and implying that their sub saharan/subhuman state prevented them from crossing the sahara desert which only came in to full desertification 5 6000 years ago.i also love how she speaks on the legal classification of arabs in america being legally white.great research and even better info
The idea of Sub-Saharan is nuts when you think about it. modern Humans came out of Africa and for some reason the ones that remained somehow did not explore other regions. Madness. Firstly the Sahara wasn't always a desert and the amount of genetic diversity on that continent is mindblowing. You can't get such diversity without people moving around from region to region over thousads of year, plus the Nile is still there. African history is the only history that's political.
So how would you distinguish between two different Africans from completely separate regions of the continent with completely different features not knowing the exact country they came from if both individuals were named Mohammed and I wanted to know which Mohammed you were talking about ? Lol 😆
doesn’t matter what people or place of the world you’re referencing History, politics and religion are inseparable.. I challenge you to describe the history of any civilization without mentioning something political
That’s, right, I have always said that the term “sub Saharan “ is a racist term, designed to elevate the people who originated from Turkey and Syria who now reside in the Northern part of the continent.It’s another black put down term concocted by the dirty dog “classic “ western scholars.
You know I bet to the Amazigh, Bedouin, and the Coptic peoples you all sound silly talking about this. I think it would be a good idea to hear what they have to say about the topic.
Their opinion is not of any great import since the identity of the copts is no mystery...and their identity has been known for over 150 yrs “The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt, we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt. It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.” Champollion-Figeac 1867 (Founding Egyptologist)
The modern inhabitants of Egypt, depending on their sect, have tenuous connection to ancient Egypt, as do any strong claims about the people who inhabited Egypt then, whether speaking of rulers, tradesman, slaves, or commoners. Anyone who says they know for sure, is full of sh!t. I know this lady is not credible however. The best evidence suggests the kingdoms were mostly populated by a people who I wouldn't call white or black, with varying claims/evidence/accounts that can be made for varying descriptions. It was a neat ancient civilization, located on beneficial agriculture and trade routes, who obsessively focused national energy on large monoliths... let's not over glamorize them, or think our individual attempts to claim a connection to them gives us any personal worth. How about we fix our current problems.
I am Amazigh i consider myself subsaharian my symbolic culture is carved in the rock (Petroglyph) for millenias in both side of the desert Ghadafi mother was my great aunt (by western standards) we say grandma she was born in Mali South of the desert. The Bedouins as you say or those that claim to be are incerts from Yemen , Oman ,saudi, jordan etc and they will tell you themselves.Modern lybia is now composed of a mix of amazigh ,romains,Turkish(ottoman), and Bedouins (in that order) . i can invite you in a tent anywhere from Algeria, libya , Morocco ,Sudan ,Niger ,Mali ,tchad etc.. A local Bedouin chief will be summoned to tell you the old tales behind tea and meat. If by amazighs you mean my blue eyes blond hair amazighs cousins in Algeria ,Morocco go and ask them why women are tattooed in the face and what they think about strangers in they're history. Having lived in this desert from both side known all cultures. run around in the sand as kid around someone like theodore monod i am baffled by the ignorance that as been allowed and tolerated in this world about africa . Northern modern Egyptian are has descendant of ancient Egyptian as much trump, obama , Reagan or Giuliani are descendant of ancient Navajo, Eskimos or Iroquois chiefs. north africa have been invaded more frequently longer and with more intensity than the USA have been the last 500 years. Once the Sahara was no longer a formidable barrier they went deeper even claimed South Africa Zimbabwe "Rhodesia" Zambia , Kenya etc.. As their ancestral heritage and many still believe it .
@@assertivekarma1909 "The Kingdom was populated by people who i wouldn't call white or black". All the evidence shows that they were the same racial type as other native populations of Northeast Africa. Native Northeastern Africans are black therefore there is no reason to avoid simply identifying ancient egyptians as black. The only reason people avoid this is based purely on modern social-political biases. All the evidence shows that the ancient egyptian population and their culture originated from the interior regions of Africa. Who else originates from the interior of Africa and is not black??
Why in our languages in sub-sahara we are finding words which are the same like ancient Egyptian language and have same signification , and another world of ancient Egyptian is the name of some peoples here ???????
Sub Saharan is a European way of denigrating Africans. Italians and Greeks aren’t called Sub Alp Europeans. It sounds close to sub human. Berbers traded and fought with the Mali empire for centuries.
Black doesn’t mean Africa. No is saying Egyptians aren’t African. Ancient Ethiopia is Sudan and not modern Ethiopia. When people refer to black North Africa, we are referring to Nilotic people. They are a Native group. The problem is west Africa people being painted as the face of Africa. If southern Europeans are white than all Mediterranean people are white which includes North Africans.
Information concerning the history of Egypt is very slowly making it's way to the surface from the depths of denial. Soon the connection between Kemet and Nubia will be one, not separate kingdoms but a continuous empire.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Agreed! But people lean so heavily one or two opinions. By the time Herodotus shows up things are so different northern africa.
@@bayyinahzhaxx7620 most of his information comes from the Egyptian priests and everyday people in the land…the priests told him essential that the Europeans were babies when it comes to pretty much everything. The cultures the Egyptians and Nubians shared made them indistinguishable from each other. He was even told that Egyptians were a new colony sent out by the Ethiopians. And when you dig you’ll see Ethiopians or cushites influence on Europe, the Middle East AND the Asian continent 🤷🏾♂️
Egypt (Kemet) civilization was wholly a Black African civilization that was propelled by the gift of Nile River that originated at Lake Victoria and flows through Uganda and South Sudan (Nubia) through Ethiopia into Egypt (kemet). The Romans ruled Egypt for nearly 700 years before the Arabs (Middle easterners), in December 639, conquered the ancient African kingdom. The Muslim conquest of Egypt was led by the army of 'Amr ibn al-'As, took place between 639 and 646 AD and was overseen by the Rashidun Caliphate. It ended the seven-century-long period of Roman reign over Egypt that began in 30 BC. The present day Egyptians are not original natives; those Black Nubians on the Aswan Dam were the natives. Ancient Egypt stretches to the present day Sudan and part of Ethiopia (Cush) not this modern demarcation by European colonialist.
Whi the f are you to go through our history! How dare you come up with theory about a place e with no connections at all, and start propagating a propaganda about! Stick your culture in Ghana or Nigeria or whatever, we don’t have any connections! The theory of colour about a race based on your of history if rediculous ! And we have had enough of your propaganda! Enough is enough !
Marxist development economists in the 1970's were first to employ the term sub-Saharan, not as some sort of value judgment but as an acknowledgement that Marx's Asian Mode of Production paradigm didn't really apply to the economies of countries that were generally south of the Sahara desert. They wondered about how and why production and consumption patterns were so different in those countries. The term got picked up in the 1980's as a catch-all to replace the older term Black Africa, still used in the 1960's. Currently the term sub-Saharan has become a categorical omnibus with supposed explanatory power in geography, history, sociology, politics, economics and lately even human genetics. It is a term cherished by social media warriors of rightist, race-baiting, reactionary bent who relish the fiction of a vast impenetrable desert drawing an ethnic curtain between the Africans living on the Mediterranean seaboard and Africans living in savanna zones and humid forests. With the smallest efforts the term sub-Saharan, as brandished by these lackeys, falls away and is revealed to be no more than wishful thinking.
@Daniel E. This difference is relatively new. Even ancient M2 haplogroup in North Africa relates to E1 groups in the horn, which is also "sub Saharan".
@@rififienforce I haven't got a fkn clue what you're on about mate. Horn of Africa? Sudan? You're barkers up the wrong tree. But by all means have at it if it means ish to you. "Woke" not a word that stings, if your aiming to sting. Don't even know what "woke" means...I doubt you do either. If u think you've got tight genetics to wave about, be my effing guest: link it and we'll let the smart punters pick it to pieces, ya habibi. Let's really see how your sleepy Asia origins in Sudan story supports today's liberal usage of "sub-Saharan".
@@frankscott1708it’s not new North African populations are bio morphologically /phenotypically distinct for Niger kordofanian/nilo Saharan black African population groups . Also what concrete consistent sound evidences do you have to demonstrate the accuracy of your assertion above
@@fabbeyonddadancer The assertion I am making is that the term, the word, "sub-Saharan" is new (1980's) and based in Marxist economics. I am not making a ridiculous claim that there are no actual differences between north African and populations and populations in other parts of Africa. Nor am I saying that those differences are somehow new. It is this term "sub-Saharan" that is new and it is being given explanatory power, categorical power that it does not have...usually in the mouths of people who are ignorant of African geography, history, genetics, economics. If you care to search the term "sub-Saharan" you will see its roots in Marxist economics starting as early as 1972 in work by Paul Beckett but doesn't get popularized generally until the 1980's by people like Jean Copans.
Bottom line, "sub-saharan" is racist terminology and needs to be treated as such. Africans saturated ALL of Africa for well over 200k years and they still exist in countries located in the northern portion of the continent, regardless of the influx of Arabs in the 600ce era. It's just another Eurocentric moniker with ulterior motives that needs to quit being used.
Has anyone ever pointed out the fact that modern Egyptians have small percentages of West African DNA in them “slave blood” when most of the slaves that came into Egypt and to the Levant were East African. This fact honestly raises the question as to how did West African DNA show up in today’s Egypt so frequently. Could the discovery of Ramses III being closely related to West Africans through his Y-DNA be an answer? 🤔
Lol stop being smarta$$.. The 15% are mtdna African "L" Linage in Egyptians and they are 60% in Ethiopians (East Africans) It's mtDNA not atDNA And btw L linages Origin is in East Africa lol.
Very biased this Kennedy is. Nobody is white-washing Egypt. Herodotus makes VERY CLEAR distinction between what he calls Libyans, Ethiopians and Egyptians. And yes Egyptians as he explains where very different from Ethiopians (Greek word for burnt face). So no, reminding people that Ancient Egyptians are close genetically to the people of the Levant and NOT subsaharan Africans is not white-washing. Enough with this PC
The ethiopians are the BURNT faces as in real dark skin, the ones depicted as black in hieroglyphs. Egyptians are BROWN skin as depicted. Both being black africans, just one brown skinned and the other dark-skinned.
@@devrayne6770 I speak Greek, I read the sources, as they were written down. And i will say it until it is made clear. There is a clear distinction between Libyans, Ethiopians, and Ethipians. also, at that time there wasn't even a word "Africa". So bulking Levantine populations with subsaharan populations all as black africans, is very racist and ignorant of you. Keep your americanised PC interpretations and race-wars over the pond, away from the Mediterranean. We don't need it.
@@OccultKenji Lol I actually live in Africa but good try going the black American route. Of course it wasn't called Africa then, that doesn't mean anything though. North Africa was inhabited by indengenious blacks but due to drought had left. You can try with the "it's unclear" but Diodorus said the same thing too. You just can't accept it.
You smelt bias because the ancient Egyptians were biased. The ancient Egyptian word for left and east is the same word "IABET" and the word for west and right "IMENTET" is also the same word...the only way left/east align and right/west align is when one faces SOUTH...thus the ancient Egyptians were BIASED to the lands south which they called Ta-Neter or Land Of The Gods There are two things you can be sure of. 1- Biden will be president Jan. 20, 2021 @ 12:00 PM 2 -The ancient Egyptians were BLACK.
The Ancient people of Kemet were Black Africans like any other. (Also Diodorus said that Ethiopians said Egypt is merely a colony of Nubia.) The full quote from Herodotus … “For the fact is as I soon came to realise myself, and then heard from others later, that the Colchians are obviously Egyptian. When the notion occurred to me, I asked both the Colchians and the Egyptians about it, and found that the Colchians had better recall of the Egyptians than the Egyptians did of them. Some Egyptians said that they thought the Colchians originated with Sesostris’ army, but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians. Lastly: Zahi Hawass a well known Egyptian-egyptologist said "ancient Egyptians had dark(black) skin but not negroes bcz look at the the negroes lips and noses and look at theirs, they are completely different. This is why you can not connect the Egyptian civilization with African at all." ( I GUESS OUR NOSES AND LIPS ARE FROM LEVANT) From: dailynewsegypt.com "Zahi Hawass Admits That Egyptians Were Black Skinned | In order to determine ethnicity, anthropologists can use skulls. There are numerous criteria that influence their final deductions. 1. There is the... | By Mr. Imhotep | Facebook" m.facebook.com/Mr.Imhotepoff/videos/zahi-hawass-admits-that-egyptians-were-black-skinned/684167532588019/ Gaston Maspero, 19th-century French Egyptologist, stated that "by the almost unanimous testimony of ancient Greek historians, they Ancient Egyptians belonged to the African race, which settled in Ethiopia." Additional evidence of Egypt's origins comes from the geneaology of Noah in Genesis. Noah's three sons are Ham, Shem and Japeth, the ancestors of the three main branches of humankind known to the biblical writers. Ham is indubitably the ancestor of the black race; his name comes from the Egyptian "kam" meaning "black." His sons are Misraim (Egypt), Cush (Ethiopia), Canaan (Palestine) and Phut (Punt or East Africa). Though allegorical on one level, the Old Testament writers were accurately reflecting known ethnic relationships of antiquity by placing the Egyptians in the black or African branch of humanity. Count Constantine : the year 1787, upon seeing all of the evidence of the African in Egypt, Count Constantine De Volney wrote: "Just think, that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech!" Quote from 1867 by founding father, Egyptologist Champollion Figeac - “The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia In the Copts of Egypt we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.” ("Scientist shocked to discover ancient Egyptians were black"...see UA-cam) See also: "New Evidence Ancient Egyptians were Black, November, 2022". UA-cam
@Daniel E. Notice.. No Ancient Historians from the ancient times describe Black Africans/Egyptians as being White or European or pinkish in hue. If anyone disagrees you are welcome to go to Egypt and witness the preserved skin on all of the mummies preserved, all have black/Afro skin and hair retained. Gaston Maspero " by the almost unanimous testimony of ancient Greek historians, they ancient Egyptians belonged to the African race, which settled in Ethiopia."
@Daniel E. Also from Dr. Hawass: Zahi Hawass a well known Egyptian-egyptologist said "ancient Egyptians had dark(black) skin but not negroes bcz look at the the negroes lips and noses and look at theirs, they are completely different. This is why you can not connect the Egyptian civilization with African at all.". ( IN OTHER WORDS OUR LIPS AND NOSES ARE FROM LEVANT.) But since Zahi Hawass wants lips to prove it with dark skin too. Let's prove it, we have an abundance of truth: Lucian of Samosata (The Ship or the Wishes): "Well, but, Samippus, this boy was nothing great, that he should make such a conquest; Adimantus has the beauties of Athens at his beck; nice gentlemanly boys, with good Greek, on their tongues, and the mark of the gymnasium on every muscle; a man may languish under their rigours with some credit. As for this fellow, to say nothing of his dark skin, and protruding lips, and spindle shanks, his words came tumbling out in a heap, one on the top of another; it was Greek, of course, but the voice, the accent were Egyptian born. And then his hair: no freeman ever had his hair tied up in a knot behind like that."
Also, show where ancient historians during the time of Herodotus wrote that Ancient Egyptians were something other than Black African? Please show that..
Dr. Zahi Hawass even admits the skulls are Black African. See You tube.. The visuals are the same as was reported by the Greeks and Romans etc. The Ancients saw the lips and noses and skin and made their conclusions/Black Afro.
These videos are fake everything were written by hirodout that no sub Saharan in Libya 🇱🇾 , but u r trying to attribute it to blacks. We are not sub Saharan ppl don’t stealing our history we are Berber who painted on pharaonic temples Bf Christianity they have fair skin not black then they mixed with phonics,Greek so stop ✋ lies we have owned genius and language that speak till now from 10 thousands years
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Sub Saharan Africa is a geographical term used to describe anything south of the Sahara desert. Saying that the term is somehow racist and perpetuating the dominance of white people is post modernism and not real academia. That is like If I talk about Scandinavia during the Bronze Age, even though it was not called Scandinavia it’s the term for what the region is called today. That is not putting modern ideals on ancient people, it is using the name for what we call the region today. Go ahead and ignore the fact that she was indeed doing that.
@@ForeignRHM Egypt was built by “Africans” from the south. Ancient Mexico was built by the Olmecs. Ancient Sumeria was built by the sag-gig-ga, the black headed people. “Sub- Saharan” is a term to keep African Americans from connecting to the most advanced civilizations ever. It’s about keeping the status quo of power on the planet.
@@marcusholbert2525 except it’s not? Everyone knows about the Kushite dynasty and the early influence of punt on Egypt. Early kings mention punt and even ran expeditions to find it and open relations. Meanwhile assuming “black headed people” means “black” in the modern sense is just plain wrong. Ancient Sumerians share the most DNA in common with the modern residents of southern Iraq.
@@skeletalbassman1028 >Ancient Sumerians share the most DNA in common with the modern residents of southern Iraq. We don't know how ancient Sumerians looked geneticlaly.
I love how phds who actually spend the whole life studying the type of stuff break the history down, the anthropology, and even the archaeology down, and then next thing you know people were COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED and completely IGNORANT come out with contravening information as if they are correct. It's hilarious
I'm sorry, but you're hearing what you want to hear, not listening to what she's saying. She says that Herodotus calls the people of north-west Africa Ethiopians (Αἰθίοπες, Greek for 'burned-face-people'). Because in Greek, at least in the fifth century BC, the Greeks did indeed use Ethiopian to mean black, and I believe they even occasionally used Αἰθίοπες to describe Indians. Later in the thousand-year history of the ancient world, Ethiopian began to be used of the the inhabitants of what we now call Ethiopia.
Who will give up Egypt? They don't own Egypt 😂😂 Do you think the 110 million Egyptians will simply recognize you a Nigerian as their ancestor or whatsoever you claim? Hilarious 🤡😂😂🤡
When this women is talking about “white North Africa” is she saying that middle eastern people are considered as “white people” ? Or is she saying that there were Northern Europeans in North Africa?
Most North Africans are grouped as 'white' by racial standards today but they have pretty diverse genetics. Groups like the Amazighs whose genetics differ with the standard European ones are still grouped as white.
@@robloxgirlgamerhello483 This entire White vs Black idea is mumbo jumbo and something that developed mainly in America. I'm from Morocco. I'm light brown. Most Moroccans are brown, dark brown or light brown. You'll have Moroccans in my region of origin that are mostly white to light brown. Guess what, it's because of climate. People adapt to their climate. This is science. You'll have Moroccans to the south that are dark brown to even black, because of combination of their climate and migration. People who understand simple biology will understand that most North-Africans are not black and have never been for a very long time because of their climate. Saying otherwise would be going against science.
@@saraqostahterra4548 I can agree that this ideology is nonsense. But when getting a passport or visa most north africans and arabs are grouped as white but italians and spaniards are not. Its crazy but that is just how the modern world works.
Are you sure, Dr Kennedy, that the rise of the term sub-Saharan Africa isn't more a response to the political growth of Pan-Arabism and the comparative political integration of the Arabic-speaking world? As an Arabist I think of it as a geo-political term, not a racial one, although words are obviously open tools, so I'm sure the term can be and probably is also used in a racialized sense. Still, a good idea to be aware of the terms one is using, and an Arabized North Africa is obviously far from an ancient pre-Roman North Africa. Otherwise, much to agree with. Thank you!
When it comes to your profession, what is your primary focus? When I saw your comment I very much had the hustler side of my brain kick on, haha. If interested, let's talk about having you on.
Oh, I'm afraid I'm a Late Antique scholar, especially of Arabia between Rome and Persia, and one not working professionally in the scholarly field. I did Classics and Arabic at university but at different times in my life. But I feel immensely flattered by your question!
See, now I am intrigued even more! Just looked you up on Academia, and all I am saying is that....... your scope also falls within the focus of this channel.... would you mind a private message on Academia?
The same applies to the area we now call "the middle east". In ancient times, this area was inhabited by black Africans and was considered to be part of the Nubian continent.
@@divvsivlivs5406 the Andamanese still exist today, hold the oldest “Asian” genes out of all of Asia’s population yet everyone living on mainland Asia isn’t black anymore.... so weird. I guess I’d be crazy to claim they used to be black given the logic that they’re related to their oldest ancestors, the Andamanese.
@@DeVaughnDawn Yes, to say WE WUZ JAPANEZ N SHIET just because "Andamanese diverged from the Japanese D1a2 lineage ~53000 years ago", is no less absurd than saying WE WUZ PLANTZ N SHIEET(just because we share a common ancestor with plants, bacterium, or apes). No, the Negrito did only "inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia, and the Andaman Islands"; not "ASIAAAA". No, you can't just group yourself with them under "black" and hypothesize a common ethnos; when they are as genetically close to your slave ancestors (from western and central africa) as they are to any Indo-Europeans "white" man. In fact, they are gentically closest to indians and Australian aborigines; and you wouldn't say WE WUZ INDIANZ, expecting to be taken seriously, would you? Lastly, you guys seriously need to treat the WE WUZ syndrom; as no one sensible would fall for it, would make you a subject of ridicule, and would make people suspicious to the existence of a real lack of culture that might be the origin of this inferiority complex; driving these half-hearted attempts to appropriate distant cultures.
The term Sub-Saharan is a racist term used to differentiate North Africans of today from the Africans in the South. During ancient Africa, there was no sub-Saharan desert. It was green and plush. All of Africa was black. There was no dividing line.
Sub Saharan was originally a geographic term separating the dry desert climate from the wet jungle climate. If people co-opted it for their racial agenda, that’s unfortunate. But it’s just a word. Technically, we are all sub-Arctic. Is that racist now? Is that what polar bears call us humans south of them? Are we going to ban geographic terms now? Words can’t harm you folks. It’s just air and sound
Lots of words which I don't usually hear from historians. I do hear them quite often from some other people - social studies people, critical race theory people, racist people.
@@treliaris888 nope. Just like "white people" are not the same. Topic being there were black people well established in North Africa. Everyone knows (I think) that North Africa was culturally / racially diverse.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 I'm not aware of any instance of " black people being erased from history" . Every single book or video i find about the history of ancient Egypt mentions the dual ethnical composition with intermittent rule and lack of racially driven conflict in ancient egyptian society. Why do i hear expressions like "white washing", unless this is a social studies video. Why do I hear a doctor ( academic i presume) dismissing a usual geographical term like sub-saharan on accounts that some unmentioned racist powers are using it to claim that Africa is white ( I've never heard this before tbh), unless we have critical race theory on the menu. Why does a white female academic feel the powerful urge to defend the ancient geographical disposition of a certain racial group unless she believes that the people belonging to that group are so inferior, defenceless, uncultured and overall ignorant, that only she, the white academic, can possibly find the true salvation. This seems like racism to me. Well intended, but still.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Cut the coy sarcasm shit. NO ONE is saying they're opposed to "ensuring black people are not erased from history". You're acting like you think that's what they said, as a rhetorical judo move. The issue is that there's a real movement that's seeking to "balance out" Eurocentric history by overcorrecting in the opposite direction, and terms like "whitewashing" are terms they use. Sarcastic rhetorical strawmanning is ALSO what they do. You're losing credibility fast.
So ancient Egypt spans like over what 3500 years? During that time as recorded there was and eb and flow from north east and south. Would it not be more accurate to say that depending on when and where we look in egypt would determine if the people living there had more African or middle eastern ancestors? Its not fair to take a small slice of time or place and then say it applies the entire existence of the country. Imagine finding a pre columbian burial site in 5 thousand years and then conclude that all Americans were natives. Wouldn't a more accurate picture be the contrast between upper and lower egptian than saying north African vs sub saharan?
Lol Africans been in North Africa far longer than Semitic people who came from Asia. The Egyptians themselves say their holy land is PUNT. Which is in the Horn of Africa. Truth is the education system is racist inherently. How about you just go read what the Egyptians said about themselves. They were not Semitic lol
@@harwn999 Plz share some links im curious about the land of pundt. As i said there would have been an eb and flow and it appears horn of Africa had connections with yemen which from my understanding could be a source of semetic people's. Either way its all fascinating.
Please apply this logic to the “Nature” magazine published DNA results from ancient Egypt that only took sample from 1,400 BCE to c. 400 CE. and encourage those who use those DNA findings as some type of smoking gun proof or other form that evidence, in attempting to validate their long and falsely held beliefs that there were no Black people in Egypt until they were brought there as slaves. 🤨
If you study the dna samples from Egypt over time they are making a weird argument in my opinion. Plus Phoenicians and Mediterraneans weren't really 'white' by modern standards... What are they trying to prove here? Oh yeah, 'racist trope'.. hmmmmm. Is it deniable that the % of 'black' people is higher in sub saharan Africa than that of North Africa over a long period of time? This belongs in the opinion section of the NYT, lost respect for this channel, replacing science with wokeness by a pompous cat lady.
There never was a country called Egypt or a land called Africa in ancient times the name was Kemet and ALKEBULA. I hope you can stop spreading falsehood.
Dude don't be ashamed. Be proud. African history needs an African input. It needs Afrocentric thought. Science is now proving things we've known for ages.
@@Ayo.Ajisafe Afrocentrist is a used as a slander yes I agree African history needs and AFRICAN perspective. But "Centrism" either Eurocentrism or Afrocentrism are the beliefs that 1 group of people founded all civilization which is wrong especially the 200 years of Eurocentrism that wrote our school books.
@@Ayo.Ajisafe Afrocentrist are people who try and say Ninjas in Japan are black and Cleopatra was black and the original English were black. But something like African civilizations being African should be common sense but we have to reverse hundreds of years of Eurocentrist bullshit.
@@Orph3us33 I dont see it like that at all. Definition of Afrocentric (websters) 1: centered on or derived from Africa or the Africans 2: emphasizing or promoting emphasis on African culture and the contributions of Africans to the development of Western civilization Afrocentric scholarship is the type done by Diop. Merely relating Egypt etc to the rest of Africa. Trying to understand it through the lense of an African. Linguistic comparisons, trade in the rest of Africa. Some people will study Egypt only within relation to Europe. Battles and conflicts with Persia and Greece etc. So I stand firm on that one. Someone who says all of Greece and Rome were black is NOT an Afrocentrist they are simply liars.
7:03 The term "sub-Saharan Africa" was first used in the early 20th century. It is used to refer to the region of Africa that lies south of the Sahara Desert. The term was adopted by scholars and geographers as a way to distinguish the region from North Africa, which is culturally and historically distinct. The term "sub-Saharan Africa" is not without its critics. Some argue that it is a Eurocentric term that reinforces the idea that Africa is divided into two distinct regions, with North Africa being more advanced and developed than sub-Saharan Africa.
@@fabbeyonddadancer The term "sub-Saharan Africa" was first used in the early 20th century by Arab writers to refer to the region south of the Sahara Desert. The term was later adopted by European geographers and historians. Some sources say late 19th century. My source: "Sub-Saharan Africa: An Environmental History" by Gregory H. Maddox "Sub-Saharan Africa: A Modern History" by John Reader "The History of Sub-Saharan Africa" by John Iliffe
The utter _pettiness_ of this discussion is dispiriting to me -- including the malicious imputation, in absence of proof, of evil intent to the coiners of the term "sub-saharan". It's a useful term. The mere fact that Herodotus thought there was no habitable land south of the Sahara attests to the fact that the Sahara was a serious barrier to travel. Subsequent history -- in particular the trans-Saharan slave trade, attest to the importance of the barrier: the people who led that trade were specialists, with a culture peculiarly adapted to the climate, and they employed beasts of burden hitherto foreign to the African continent, those beasts having originally been brought from Asia.
@@fromabove422 Are you unaware that, for a thousand years, there was a trans-Saharan slave trade between sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa? If you're that ignorant of African history, what is the basis of your claim to be an African?
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Are you sure that this invisible line of discrimination is a product of Europeans? Why nobody takes a look at the Arab contribution to this folks division? I m personally trying to learn objectively about history, and PC mea culpa don't seem appropriate...
The europeans pretty much were farmers until the moors invaded spain and held it for 700 years. Theres a reason they all turned to war at the same time
Arabs didn’t start the transatlantic slave trade nor did they colonize the continent. The Arab slave trade merely exported goods it did not politically redefine the lives of billions of people.
@@houseofvenusMD That's not the point! Arabs walked slave highways even before the roman empire, they weren't yet Arabs. They did never lose their tracks, to this day, with their confiscation of passports of labor forces from Asia and Africa. Europeans didn't need to buy people to work their lands in their dwelling countries, and Christiandom forbode that. Arabs, instead, developed the markets for businessmen mostly Europeans across the Atlantics, but, at the same time, they let Zanzibar thrive for other reasons ( Petra of Delos, major slave markets at their heyday were exhausted, so they felt the urge to create new markets) as opposed to Agadir, open to the Americas...
@@massimosquecco203 Wow what a huge historical error. Obviously you haven't read much first hand Spanish or Portuguese accounts. I recommend you read Bartolomeu de las Casas's "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies" (1552). In it he details how the natives were treated as Prelapsarian and thus could not be enslaved, but the pope had declared blacks fit for enslavement because they were not Christian and also not Prelapsarian (i.e. blacks lived in the "Old World"). I suggest you read some more first hand accounts before we continue this discussion. Christianity forbids slavery as much as Islam does -- you can enslave anyone that is not a believer. In the historical record, Muslims actual follow this rule better than Christians. For example: Afonso I of Kongo had his entire court converted to Catholicism and the Portuguese promptly began kidnapping his family members once they weren't receiving enough slaves by other means. edit: autocorrect changed Afonso I to Alfonso I
@@houseofvenusMD ..and I return you the courtesy advising Th Cookbook of Marta Stewart as reading material! I m compelled to assume you are a US American Citizen, seeing your rudeness and, above all, the typical tendency to derail the topic of discussion, and trying to pull the audience on your interests grounds, or eventual goals. Once again: the subject was the Barrier between people from Sub-Sahara and the Mediterranean overseas, which means European countries, NoNoNo Americanos. I came to you because of empathy: Your book seems about Spaniards trafficking human lives, isn't it? Isabella di Castiglia and Ferdinando d'Aragona were the sovereigns who let Christopher discover the new Indias, and also the first rulers who controlled Spain after the departure of the Arabs. In all honesty, what kind of infrastructures, discoveries and markets could they establish
This is incredible and important to the future of race relations worldwide. Now all we need is political leadership and the education to move this forward. Very timely and extremely helpful. Thank you.
Herodotus' ethnography of north Africa is at 4.168-197, which he refers to as "Libya" (see 4.36-45 on how he divides the continents).
Which of the dozens of people he lists are "Black" is unclear. In addition to Aethipians [note: the "cave dwelling Aethiopians are listed as living in western African mountains and are hunted by the Garamantes], there are the Ammoniana, the Mauretanians, and the Atarantes, which are all likely "Black."
In 4.197, Herodotus says: "The are the people of the Libyans we are able to name. Most of them do not worry about the Persian king in the present nor did they earlier. I am able to say this much about the land: there are four tribes [note: "tribes" = Greek ethnea, while the dozens of names he gives are "peoples" who self identify within these ethnea] that inhabit Libya and no more than that. That much I know. Two of them are indigenous [Greek = authochthones] and two are not. The Libyans, who live in the north and the Aithiopians, who live in the south [south = southern portion of north Africa] are indigenous; The Phoenicians and Greeks are immigrants [ immigrants = Greek epeludes].
Herodotus' understanding of geography makes clear that all of these people live in what is today north of the Sahara and west of Egypt, which he considers a separate space and which also has Aethiopians.
Libya according to Herodtous Map of africa includes most of Centeral africa and not the modern borders of the country named Libya so its expected that south libyans would be Black and North Libyans would be white since south libya is actually part of sub saharan africa while North Libya was pupolated by the North africans.
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Herotodus tried to rewrite history and Egyptian library was the primary source when the Greeks ruled the known world, had to put their name on everything. They desecrated Egyptian statues, by smashing them because they had "black" noses, trying to erase that black people even existed, which is obviously overt racism. The sub Saharan climate was different thousands of years ago, it was a grassland with bodies of water, rivers and lakes, after the last interglacial period. Lesson: don't use the term subsaharan.
I guess we are gonna have to stop using the term "Sub-Saharan" and start saying "West African" Or Senegal River. I don't want to say South African because there is possibly also a cultural difference at this time between the hunter-gatherers of the South Africa area, and the more "civilized" Bantu's further north that is more pastoral. Not sure where agriculture mixes in with all this, but Agriculture was not as efficient back then as it is today, so if the people practiced it around Senegal, Niger rivers, or the river systems around the marshes near Lake Victoria it might have needed to be supported by pastoral activities as well. Would really be interesting to hear from an actual expert who studies African history beyond Egypt and Ethiopia. lol.
@@matamatosa8898 Yes there was a Kingdom that bordered Egypt and also during Roman times, pretty much Lybia. They were horrible people from what I read if we judge them by our standards. One of their sports were hunting the people south of them I believe they called them "Ethiopians". They would chase them down with chariots and the Ethiopians would run and hide in caves. Inside the caves they found the artwork of depictions of the Chariot hunts. I remember the Lybian King and either the Egyptians or Romans got into an argument because I think the Egyptians were freely trading with this "Sub-Saharan" culture. The Lybians were mad because they considered that culture as their subject or possession, and wanted the trade going thru them. Something in that essence at least, been a few years since I read that on like Wikipedia lol.
Biden won the election fair and square, Clinton's are salt of the earth type people and blacks wuz kings. Just except it racists.
The late Cheikh Anta Diop put it aptly when he said that they define white in the broadest sense possible so as to try to accommodate as much civilizations as possible for themselves, while defining blackness in the narrowest sense so as to limit it only to those south of the sahara, even at times defining it even narrower to certain language groups e.g Bantus.
So true
Absolutely!
@@francisgalton2678 Not true. Blacks come in various hues. Here in the USA, if you had "one" drop of black blood, you were BLACK.
Perfect example was Rosa Parks who was classified as black and arrested for sitting in the "white" section. Plenty of other examples... So your statement is false. At one time, the Italians were not considered "white".
Now that the white population is declining.."black/brown" is the new white.
Well, I reject the "new" definition of "whiteness".
@@deborahtucker4900 exactly
@@francisgalton2678 slow much??
Thoughts on the modern invention of Sub-Saharan and its misuse in the history of Africa.
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I had no idea the term was so recent in origin, always enlightening thank you for what you do.
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@@nobody8328 that cracked me up!
@@mrmr446 same here! And I had no idea that the Soviets used it as an economic divider!
Yes my father told me that a longtime ago we were from East Africa in Kemet/Egyptos but our people escape from Kemet to West Africa because we were persecuted by the Romans. He said we were killed daily. We have oral stories and song that describes what happened during this time. One day I wish to compile all these songs and oral stories and share them with all my people. I think that something that has to be done.
Do share those stories I need to hear them
You all can’t find your immediate lineages that DEFINITELY go to west Africa but somehow you all sense you’re from Egypt, a place you had NO WAY of getting to at that time!
You know you’re lying in a language someone else gave you and can understand when you’re lying, right?
@@NoahBodzeYou're just a lie lovin' Racist
I’ll love to hear them.
@@Kiki_smithits pure nonsense
The first term she found referencing 'Sub-Saharan Africa' is 1978? That one blew my mind.
Really.
Greeks didn't speak English.. what else would you expect?
@@bubbag8895 point is it was not referenced in any language until 1978.
@@bubbag8895people lose brain cells just talking too you 😂
The Mali empire had prolific ship building and trade across the Atlantic. The Spanish and Portuguese, along with the R.C.C ✝️, conspired to capture them, ensl ve them, and take over their intercontinental trade routes that had been established long before Columbus.
You can't teach this in Western schools. So they deleted how they went from 14th century famine, plaugues, and poverty to sailing the seas by the 15th century.
They weren't smart enough to figure it out, so they had to steal others' work and remove it from history. Each century since, they've been writing out African achievements to cover their tracks.
Finally someone who is telling the truth based on actual evidence ....instead of making stuff up
@@francisgalton2678 you're making it up that she's making it up.
American blacks have no ties to Africa let alone Egypt
@@raidermanic872 they will never agree. They want it all, so greedy. They have advanced the current world but have no shame. Okay forget about all the bad stuff that as gone on before notably slavery and colonisation, most would like to move on and mostly forgive. But they want it all, to feel superior about everything without wanting to give credit were it is due to anyone especially to my black brothers and sisters
@@francisgalton2678 You were similar to the boars.
It is better to talk about what her European ancestors did with regard to the oppression and genocide of the Native American Indians. It is better than sticking her nose to what does not concern you. Leave North Africa and that's ours. We have our Berber genes, especially in North Africa, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco, we have our own language and 🧬 genus It is better than trying to please black people by stealing the history and civilizations of other countries
The obsession over ancient Egypt is uncanny and it shows, everyone wants to relate to it as it benefits themselves and their people. Ancient Egypt was very much an African civilization just as ancient Rome was a European civilization. If anything, later dynastic periods show ancient Egyptians getting lighter and that could be a result of intermixing with other outside groups. But I think it’s obvious that pre dynastic and earlier periods consisted of a people’s indigenous to the continent ie Northeast Africa and if this is hard to understand than just hang it up people and move on 🥴
The Egyptian empire started to fall after it was taken other by outer races
U contradicted yourself
@THE WASETIANS wasn’t talking to u
Common sense. You don’t have to be black, white, or anything else to understand this.
@Dean Gulberry The oldest mummy in Africa is that of a black mummy name "Uan Muhuggiag", there is a documentary about the Uan Muhuggiag mummy here in UA-cam. And Nubians also ruled Egypt in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.
this is a favorite of modern egyptians...I just brought this up recently in a discussion. Sub saharan today is used to describe what some believe are "african" or "black" features. What they also fail to realize is that these feartures aren't the same even among those "sub saharans"
Not now, but it was 2000 years ago.
@@NotAnnaJones no it wasnt, you dunce
@@NotAnnaJonesWrong
@@Judahscattered4corners-d4g Not wrong. DNA and the archeological record prove this.
Racist people will never associate Kemet/ Egypt, Egyptian as black african people. Even though Greeks like Diodorus whom saw, interacted with, learned from tells you that the were black skinned wooly haired people. And that they were the same people as the Nubians/ Kushites. Even though they tell you on the Papyrus of Hunefer that the came from the beginning of the Nile where Hapi dwells. Despite the fact that black East Africans actually look like the Medu Neter/ Hieroglyphics. My people can never be great in a world view.
Not a single ancient source did ever called ancient Egyptians as black/negroid Africans . NEVER
Ethiopians have all the answers. I don't know why no scholars of the subject skip historical references in Ethiopia.
Because the name Ethiopia wasn't necessarily a reference to the modern state bearing that name but was a general name for the lands South of Egypt (especially Sudan) and at times other areas in North Africa.
@@listenup2882 he means that historical sources in Ethiopia have all the answer, he didn't say what you understood
@@listenup2882 the ancient writers did a great diservice to your comfort zone and you are doing your best trying to wiggle out of it. For no apparent reason the ancients kept mentioning Ethiopians everywhere - in the old testament, in the new testament, in the Koran, in the first literature of the western world - etc, etc. Those who are not well read assume things like you are doing. Keep at it - live in your own bubble.
@@nn-lw7hv I think it's pretty fair to say that an ancient times East Africans in general are known as Ethiopians by people from outside of that region albeit neighboring areas but still
Right in Ethiopia there's many artifacts that matches with Egypt even carvings.
I grew up in Mississippi. In a totally segregated era, folks of Middle Eastern descent (there were quite a few; New Orleans had been the port of entry for many middle eastern folks), and Italians, of which there were a huge number in the Mississippi delta (Post civil war, whole villages had been brought in to work in agriculture) went to white schools. According to the older white folks, they were'nt REALLY white, and were discriminated against in many ways. They fought to be white. As many white folks moved away, and some institutions needed more numbers/resources, they moved up in the social hierarchy. This was facilitated by intermarriage and increasing economic clout. I heard two classmates who were just assuming positions of responsibility at the local country club, laugh that they wouldn't have been allowed to be members in the 'sixties.
@Akm Akm ...and we are all Africans.
What does this have to do with the video?
And out of Africa has been debunked so no we aren't "all Africans". Even if our common ancestor was from Africa it wouldn't make us all Africans. Everytime I hear people spew this I cringe. History needs to stop being a playground for egalitarian fan fiction.
@@alexhurt7919 out of Africa has not been debunked. You’re just hurt about it. Stop arguing with people online about your racist beliefs and go get some counseling
@@AP-uc8rr so let me get this right. Your argument consists of telling me I'm wrong and calling me racist? That's convincing. Do you usually try to shut people down who disagree with you by calling them racist? Have you considered that might mean that you're wrong?
Cro-magnon is the oldest fully modern human. Cro-magnon has not been found in Africa. Cro-magnon has been found in italy. Therefore out of Africa theory has no ground to stand on. The first hominid is out of Africa, but not the first fully modern human. It's as simple as that. There's a plethora of other evidence, but I don't even need it because that's enough.
@@alexhurt7919 you’re now not only racist but uneducated and BLOCKED ...Stay hateful
Upper "Egypt" is considered the land to the SOUTH, as the Nile River flows from south to North and to my understanding that's how the ancient people categorized it initially. It's the eurocentric mapping of the world that has ppl thinking upper Egypt is in the north but the ancient ppl called interior Africa 'upper' as the Nile flows from the mountains of Tanzania and Uganda DOWN to Egypt. So it's most logical that the civilization(s) started in the south and flowed down the river (up north) as the rivers buoyancy allowed ppl to set sail down the river (north) and CONTINUE to create and develop from the civilization that that started in the interior like the ancient ppl of Egypt themselves said. See Dr. Joseph Ben Jochannan, Ashrwa Kwesi, Anthony Browder, Dr. Cheik Anta Diop, Martin Bernal and others
Thankyou this makes so much sense unlike many so called historians
Yes Upper Egypt is South Egypt and Lower Egypt is North Egypt as per the flow of the nile, but that doesn’t mean that it started with the sources of the Nile 6500 km away.
For Ancient Egyptians, Egypt is divided in 2: Upper (from the southern border with Nubia starting from the first cataract in Aswan to the beginning of the delta area and Lower from Delta to the Mediterranean in the North.
Ancient Egyptians called Egypt “the Two Lands” and king was referred to as Nesw (Upper), Bity (Lower) means king of the Two Lands (each part had its own crown, red Upper and white Lower combined in one crown) and each had its own sign
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenomen_(Ancient_Egypt)
Ancient Egyptians recognized their southern border and their southern enemies as Nubia, which they called Nehs
So since the beginning of their civilization and during the first dynasties, these were their land and they didn’t recognize or mention any parts further south.
@@Sema-Tawy Still, it doesn't change the fact that ancient Egyptians were black
@@patriciadegross5418 On the contrary dear, they were never black, actually all skin shades existed in Egypt as indigenous people except for blacks who were either enemies or war slaves and that’s the Ancient Egyptians opinion as depicted on their temple walls, Tombs, papyrus.
I guess i have to believe the Ancient Egyptians themeselves and DNA tests not just some lies from some insignificant wanabes, culture vultures, who have no history, no dignity and very low selfesteem and only make fool of themselves that the whole world is laughing at them and every race is fed up of their lies and how they try to leach on other races history. They are just a pathetic bunch of idiots.
@@Sema-Tawy That shows how much you know, Nubia was home to multiple groups. So when you say Egyptians were at war with Southern enemies Nubia, which Nubian groups are you referring to? When they went to war with Nubians they had help from other Nubian groups so who specifically are you talking about?
I did not expect to find this hidden gem in my recommended list on UA-cam! VERY interesting! Thank you for the enlightening information! As a black woman I’m always fascinated by how modern agendas shape how people chose to shape history into a more self-serving narrative.
I enjoyed your insights! I wish history was taught with this sort of lens. Nowadays our history in schools is so watered down.
This is why UA-cam is the best university in the world
It’s time for UA-cam to have some real competition they have been censoring peoples voice! Something is coming just not fast enough!
AFRICAN AMERICANS BEEN SAYING THIS SHIT FOREVER SMFH … WEIRD HOW IT TAKES A WHITE PERSON TO SAY IT FOR YOU PEOPLE TO FINALLY “GET IT” 🤦🏽♂
Africa, and I mean the entire continent, is the land of the black people. The invading Arabians came to North Africa and settled there much, much later.
I agree! It was a wonderful surprise! I subscribed.
Herodotus was right The Sahara Desert did were a barrier to free circulation of peoples in Africa This concept was made by Europeans to divide Africa
@daniele.3361 😂😭😂😭
Which is quite hilarious considering people still to this day cross the Sahara Google can I help you friends you can still find pictures of black North Africans the semites reverse migrated back into Africa. Fun fact most North Africans are just the sentence of mulattos
The fact I just recently learned that this man died makes me so sad RIP Nick a true historian without a dog in the fight just had a genuine willingness to lean. 😢
White supremacists killed him?
WHAT??! No way, I love his videos, this is devastating
There is a god? You must have no life! I have a suggestion for you! How about you go out and socialize find a girlfriend/boyfriend whoever you prefer! I understand it’s lonely in this world but it’s possible for you to get a life!
WOW 😮 🥺😢
You also don't know that he was hated by the white Egyptologist establishment and it is suspected that he was killed or murdered by poison.
1st Golden Age (Old K) from -2665- 2160 BCE ), Dynasties 3-6. Pyramids period.
2nd Golden Age (Mid K) from- 2040 - 1784 BCE , Dynasties 11-12. Literacy period .
3rd Golden Age ( New K) from -1554-1190 BCE, Dynasties 18-19 .Temples and Imperial Age.
4th Golden Age (Late K) from - 760 - 657 BCE , Dynasty 25 .Revival Age.
Invasions:
Hyksos -1750- 1152
Persians 525 - 405 and 343 - 332
Greeks - 332 - 30 BCE
Romans 30 - 395 ACE
Vandals 429 (Greeks named KMT " Egypt" )
Arabs 651- 710
And yet, ( Arabs ) still claim " Egyptians " as their ancestors while in reality they are descendants of Mamelooks, Greeks, Turks , Romans, Scythians, French .....
Source : " Kemetic Chronology : A summary Related to Other Important African Events " .
Dr Asa G. Hillard
Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) had Egypt until the 7th Century before the Muslim Arabs.
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII Sir Hyksos are Greeks, Persians etc they migrated from the Aegean Sea. That is Theo start of European History in the Aegean Sea.
@@Michael_De_Santa-Unofficial Hyksos is European I have an World History Atlas and I have World Religion Encuclopedias. You have to do a better research when you want to give out blotched information
The Arabs ARE not descendants of either the Greeks, nor the Scythians, nor the Turks, nor the Greeks, nor the Romans, nor the French, and no, not even the Mamluks. Oh, and also, the Mamluks were a military caste, and were also of many diverse origins. Try to get your facts right. :)
@@etoshanyugax2632 The Hyksos came from the Levant, hence they are not Persian nor Greek.
I am awaiting translations of the Libraries of Timbuktu, that were secreted out to prevent destruction by the Islamic extremists. While I expect Islamic treatises, their May also be other books that can be considered as history of African relations.
The grand structure in Timbuktu is a Mosque.
@Gerry C Timbuktu is in Mali. The “ Libraries” were kept in the houses of private citizens. Not in a single building. Many books are so old that those who have the library could not read them. Due to the extremist Islamic movement in Mali, a scholar from there, was able to convince most of the owners to allow the books to be smuggled out as he told them if the extremists took control, they would destroy the books because even if they were Islamic Texts, they would not conform to the extremist views. As I understand it, the books are in the care of the French as Mali used to be a French possession and France stepped u0 to overcome the extremists.
@Gerry C Written records start in Mesopotamia not Mozambique. Even jurisprudence is founded there. Learn harder.
@Akm Akm not intentionally, but since these were in private houses, individuals could easily have mistaken ancient books. A parallel is what happened when Rome invaded Syracuse. The order was to take Archimedes alive but when a soldier found an old Man scribbling in the dirt, and he did not immediately get up,the soldier killed him. It was Archimedes. And at another time, one of his books was partially erased and made into a psalmist. Probably by a religious person who could not understand what was written as it was a mathematical treatise.
All writing undergoes changes in both figure and context including Sanskrit, so a quick glance at an ancient text could easily be misunderstood, even those of Islamic contemplations on the Suras. There can also be such contemplation that does not agree with what one may have been taught. There is a difference in a scholastic treatise and an extreme religious interpretation. Historically, Islam has been known for its scholarship.but some are determined to undermine that for power.
@Akm Akm You don't know what jihad is. Don't embarrass yourself by showing your ignorance.
The confusion is, Lower ancient Egypt was ruled by Invaders for 400 years and was expelled. All people need to do is look and the art and how they depicted themselves
can't look at that either because alot can be changed in 400 years....you have to look at language and common sense
@@youcantknoweveragain2364 Also, ancient people often depict themselves in symbol rather than realistic terms - people are given distinct skin tones based on their gender in several periods of ancient Egyptian art.
@@youcantknoweveragain2364 how about MUMMIES WITH BLOND HAIR
@@kadensmike8190 you are nubian not Egyptian
Most european and middle easterns wants someone to lie to them.
As an African, I wouldn't care about the race of ancient kingdoms if europeans hadn't made such a big deal about it.
You got it backwards
@@ugalitamu9082 correct, it wouldn’t matter as long as the truth was always there. We are dealing with descendants of fallen angels was the Most High cursed this group white. Unlike the black Ancestors who came down and walk with our ancestors
@@Aligbo
There is no religious text of any time period that suggests this. You're as bad as the catholics and the jews.
Let it go and just search for the truth in history. It won't give you what you want, but your mind will be clear, and your burden will be lifted.
@@Aligboany comment that includes the word jew is quietly deleted
@@grzlbrWe're just going to ignore people like you from now on.
The narcissism is tiresome to deal with.
Dr Kennedy is a fresh breath of air !!
White people also try to tell you that Ethiopians are Caucasians. 😆😆😆😆
WP will do and say anything to denigrate Black people and BLACK AFRICANS needs to stop allowing it.
Excellent video. I shared this on my FB page last November to help prove what a lot of people been saying for years. It's always a blessing to see our brothers and sisters speaking the truth.
Thank you for calling out the bigotry of eurocentric teaching. Even the fact Greeks learned from Egyptians is seldom said. It's know Nubia was in control of Egypt for a dynasty. Egypt has been bigger than it is today and has been smaller, ruled by different people at different times. And yes no one is "black" or "white", white is just a dominant force on the world today. Caused by the separation imposed by Roman's against the rest of the world and the unification of German and Roman descendants to oppress the world.
The Roman's were not racist. Racism is mainly the byproduct of the Transatlantic and Indain Ocean slave trade
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I'm glad someone is finally telling the truth about things we know are to be real..No need to spread continuous lie and the Ancient Egyptians..Things were not how they are now with all this racism..Everyone knows the truth but racism and racist hate to admit the truth..
Exactly
Genetic information states otherwise. Not white, but not Sub-Saharan either
"An international team of scientists, led by researchers from the University of Tuebingen and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, successfully recovered and analyzed ancient DNA from Egyptian mummies dating from approximately 1400 BCE to 400 CE, including the first genome-wide nuclear data from three individuals, establishing ancient Egyptian mummies as a reliable source for genetic material to study the ancient past. The study, published today in Nature Communications, found that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did, whereas ancient Egyptians were found to be most closely related to ancient people from the Near East."
"The study found that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to ancient populations in the Levant, and were also closely related to Neolithic populations from the Anatolian Peninsula and Europe. "The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the 1,300 year timespan we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule," says Wolfgang Haak, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena. The data shows that modern Egyptians share approximately 8% more ancestry on the nuclear level with Sub-Saharan African populations than with ancient Egyptians. "This suggests that an increase in Sub-Saharan African gene flow into Egypt occurred within the last 1,500 years," explains Stephan Schiffels, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena. Possible causal factors may have been improved mobility down the Nile River, increased long-distance trade between Sub-Saharan Africa and Egypt, and the trans-Saharan slave trade that began approximately 1,300 years ago."
I'm happy to see someone White admitting the Whitewashing of Ancient Egypt is all about contemporary European culture appropriation and Arab assimilation into Whiteness.
White from Subsahary????
At 8:20 she uses, perfectly, all of the knowledge she presented before and puts it in that simple ideia. Perfectly done. Thank you both very much!
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@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 dummy; north Africa only belong to light amazigh while Subsahary is the continent from where the subsaharan american came as slaves!!!
Great information, a very rare video when it comes to ancient African history.
OMG😂😂😂😂. I don’t even have a degree in this stuff and said the same exact thing she did. Verbatim. It’s basic common sense but it’s also good to see a professional say the same thing. Just because the Europeans didn’t know how to cross the Sahara; it doesn’t mean the native Africans lacked the knowledge to cross
Give me a break sub saharn african in some parts cant give there people clean water in 2023 talk about cross a dessert in Egyptian times . 👀
@@richardjohnston3359 Well it doesn't matter whether or not they could because the Sahara used to not be a desert
Give me a break europeans needed others to rise ! And today the others decide to self rise and i see declin3 in Europe
@@richardjohnston3359
Stop underestimating these folks whose resources helped you rise to these heights
I appreciate your unbiased view toward history. Great video!
I am somali kushiti African ancient Egypt is our people
Fact. Egyptian pharaohs themselves believed their aboriginal home was the Land of Punt, which is modern day Somalia.
Ancient Egypt wasn’t made up of just one tribe, there were of 40 split between upper and lower, also they conquered to Mesopotamia and considered those people part of the empire
Now, this is what I consider objective reporting - something that is extremely rare in Western scholarship.
Great honor to you Dr Kennedy. Sincere and honest scholars is what the world needs.
this is so a USA problem with race thing. europes academia out grow this back in the 70s
So did latin america's
Yeah, Europe is so superior, duh huh.
@@parrismd who the hell said that besides you, wut
To be fair I have yet to talk to an educated European who rips off his shirt and screams when I mention black people in North Africa, haha.
@@onoheathebest What the hell did you add here, wut?
I just wish we knew more abt africa. Theres just so much we dont know yet i feel it holds the keys to so much of the sapient human past.
We don't know much because they didn't have writing. What does that tell us?
@@MatthewQuigley most of europe didn't have writing till the romans spread their culture inland what does that tell you?
@@MatthewQuigley We Ethiopias and Eritreans have been writing for at least 5000years and still. And the oldest bible is in our language. The Romans thought whole Europeans to live.... The Romans made “peace” with Ethiopia as they called it. And never taxed them. To be kind I guess or the truth is Alexander and the one’s before him all lost.. You know nothing because your own ppl don’t want you to know! East Africa has the best climate in the world our capitals are above 2000m with 26-28 degrees Celsius everyday they whole year around. It’s the center of the world literally. The sun sets at 6 and rise at 6. I didn’t think this is the fact in London
Most of the history was destroyed. Not just by isis, but also rome. Look up 70ad. Ancient knowledge and wisdom of the greatest civilizations in the past 20,000 years is almost completely gone now. Sad but true
@@rome7164 Rome never got that far into Africa. I don't think we can blame them for our lack of knowledge regarding, say, what the Zulus were doing in 70 AD. But then you are "Rome," so you should really know this!
A very insightful presentation and much needed hidden truth of colonial ripple effect that has distorted reality and truth. The sad thing is that many of us in the African continent participate in this separation ideology. Keep up the good work!
Not everyone. It will die as quickly as it was born.
You like having computers and electricity, though?
Thank you. Please do more videos on this topic.
I appreciate Dr. Kennedy's honesty
Honest? 🤥
@@CG-if9xqyes honest
No pseudoscience racist bullshit
The Deeper the research, the clearer Africa is Cradle of Civilization
Sub-Saharan Africa was an invented term in 1978, to try and separate North Africans from equatorial Africans, and some how transform North Africans into white people, while having to admit that equatorial Africans were black, but news flash, before the copious invasion, immigrations, and colonizations, from western Asia and Europe, North Africa was also indigenously black people, including the Egyptians.
Awesome interview!
as a North African Algerian for the thousand time North Africa was never and will never be black!
I guess you don't understand that the oldest DNA is found in black people and no other race. That's where here before all other races and everyone else genetically changed to Arab Asian Hispanic or white it's not my opinion (mitochondrial eve) look her up proves it.
@@tipsandtricks6071 ok then, isawel aq'idi se Tamazight mala ?
Oh you don't speak Berber ?, strange, I thought you guys were here before us, because as far as I'm concerned numidia Mauritania Carthage Massyles massysiles garamantes and every kingdom here spoke Berber before islam,but alright we can settle it in another way, show me your tifinagh tattoos ? no tattoos ? Name me your past 10 ancestors ? still can't ?, Alr, which imazighen tribe do you belong to ?
you have absolutely no idea about the history of the region mate, you aren't even worth to be taken seriously lol, instead of parasiting to other people's legacy how about you focus on your country and your legacy ? and lmao don't bring up genetics you're making a joke of yourself
The difference between me and you is that everything I said about DNA can literally be watched on UA-cam videos from reliable sources and you can look at the articles online. The science doesn't care about your feelings. The Americans in America have been here for 400 years that does not make them the original people. It's the same way the current people living in Egypt are not the original people. Herodotus was unbiased and is a source of unbiased information because he saw the true Egyptians and what they look like. He described them as black and he will be more accurate than anything you say.
@@tipsandtricks6071 and again you got no arguments, you got no knowledge on the genetic side of it and If you did you wouldn't be falling for those biased afro centrist UA-camrs, but it doesn't really matter, cuz *actual* science and genetics side with us, no one is going to take you people seriously your whole racist community is a joke lol, North Africa isn't black and never was, case closed
@@tipsandtricks6071 lol. You mentionning Dna and jumping to Hérodote 😂
And Dna proved North Africa was never black.
The ancient Greek and Roman historians are the only non bias and transparent historians that can be trusted when it comes to the accuracy of European sources.
Not really, for example in the case of Carthage the sources are usually not 100% trustworthy because of animosity between the Greco Roman world and the Punic civilization
@@mushussu838 Not in terms of skin color or demographics, I doubt the Romans cared that much about the skin color of north Africa to lie about it.
There were black romans and Greeks. Racism is a modern invention to keep one slave class on the neck of another. It's that simple
@Gas Enjoyer... It was Herodotus that said "“The Ethiopians to whom Cambyses sent these gifts are reputed to be the tallest and most beautiful of all peoples.”........"Black" was not considered a Bad-Omen in Hellenistic culture.... Africans Exist as powerful royalty in ancient greco Mythology..as for example..Queen Andromeda.and were seen favorably by ancient greesks....after all the most famous greeks minds renowned today went to africa to STUDY...greek culture via minoan culture was borne out of a black egyptian culture....the roman historians also speak of Africans very favorably.... up until the..... punic wars[and some even after that] ...after the punic wars Rome developed a fear and hatred for Black Africa [Thanks to Carthage & Hannibal] and spread anti Black Africa propaganda throughout their empire....Anti Black African Historic views really exploded in the late 1600's and 1700's...among the french, British, germans, dutch and Americans "intellects", "archelogists" and "historians"....
@Alberto Barbosa... That's nonsense!
I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks the ancient Egyptians were white. Arab looking maybe but not European white. I’ve never read a book that says that, I’ve never heard an instructor say this, I’ve never heard a podcast that asserts this. If a person asserts that Egyptians were white you immediately know they are incredibly ignorant but honestly I don’t know anyone except maybe Hollywood but they’re the epitome of ignorance. This whole talk was stupid because they never say who the “they” are. There is never once an example of the crazy racists who are going around trying to convince people the Egyptians were white. Honestly they kind of sound the ancient alien people. Their arms must be sore from patting themselves on the back for being so smart and so anti-racist.
Ancient Egyptians were not modern day Arab looking they looked very much Africa black
@@thenigerianjew1698 I completely agree with that. I didn’t say that here but I should have. Thank you for pointing that out.
That funny cause I have Egyptians books with Caucasians features & Blue Eyes, Blonde hair or brown, red or black straight hair Mummies.
Arabs or Arabians are Caucasians who are very mixed today & are genetically related to the Jews/Israelites who are Caucasians. They are Semites of the Caucasian Race.
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII ok. Where do caucasians fit the Curses of Deuteronomy 28?
@@dantaereacts6322 caucasians wrote that just like they wrote the "king James version" of the bible justifying slavery.
The Ancient Egyptians were BLACK, plain and simple.
@@listenup2882 you grandma told you that?!
Well the Sahara is bigger than America so I would say that's a pretty big barrier.
actually,USA has over 9.800.000 km2 and Sahara has 9.200.000 km2 but you're close ....btw,I believe this woman speaks about ideology and has nothing to do with history
@@riverblack565 that's still a big barrier don't you think?
@@lawrencedanao7648 No its not, the Bering Strait was a longer barrier to cross, but it happened. Its not different that the Mason Dixon line..traveling from south to north.
@@lawrencedanao7648 the Nile connects Egypt to the south of the Sahara via Sudan and Ethiopia. In fact, its source has been traced as far back as Uganda or Kenya (not sure which) therefore, there's no real separation of the kind that people like to imagine. Also, there's research that's being conducted to establish the level of trade between Sub-Saharan West Africa and North Africa, the goal of which research being to prove that the Sahara was not the kind of barrier that has been popularized.
@@koketsomokone2975 yes, limited 1v1 trade contact ,like the silk road, goods and ideas are exchanged,, but not mass population changes.
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I really like your channel. Great work!
Thank you for explaining clearly how the colonial masters in Europe split Africa into two sections based on their racial hierarchy!
They didn't God did for breaking the commandments
You guys made a home run..great job revealing the truth
Just because someone's fictional attempt to hijack history backs up one political views does not make it the truth, Mr Goat head. Watching a video further ingraining your view on a particular false narrative whilst not trying to understand the broader historical context to verify if your understanding is legit or not is intellectual lazy . A wize man once said, "Whatever floats your goat , ain't necessarily a boat"
@@sarahfunaki3884 struck a nerve did he ? Ya not east african we already knew that tho next !
AFRICAN AMERICANS BEEN SAYING THIS SHIT FOREVER SMFH … WEIRD HOW IT TAKES A WHITE PERSON TO SAY IT FOR YOU PEOPLE TO FINALLY “GET IT” 🤦🏽♂
Tl;dr: white is bad and racist. There were black and "not black" people in Egypt, but no white people. I would love to see your guest discussing the also racist claims if the jews/egyptians/vikings were black movement, but I seriously doubt she can discuss anything except whiteness is bad.
I can't stand this lady and her super obvious bias either. Good example of " college dummies"
@@FlowerPowerDeathShow look her up. Her specialties are critical theory fields and literature not history, genetics, archaelogy or anything like that who would actually be an expert on the subject 😂
Whenever the supremacy of science and reason tramples fragile egos and personal emotions it is far easier to attempt to discredit and manufacture excuses than to deal with the pungent acidity of reality...
@@charlesking415 right, that's kind of what critical theory is. A denial of actual science and history to stroke the fragile egos of some crybabies
@@charlesking415 you mean like the reality of the hatred and discrimination towards white people? Yea, horrible, I know.
Thank you for saying what many mainstream and many modern white people don't.
Plus there are still Black peoples all over North Africa but they are discriminated against and their existence is not acknowledged in censuses.
The thing is they are disingenuous because they always compare the skulls of egyptians with west africans. They never compared skulls of egyptian mummies with east africans such as ethiopians and somalis. Africans are diverse. Different regions have different skulls and features!
Ain’t gonna lie... this some good stuff. Thanks brother.
The culture of Mediterranean Africa and the Canaries comes from Indo-Europeans and not the dark-skinned cannibals.
SAYS WHO
@@coconut5002 dna.
Thanx for tackling a subject most people wouldnt dare engage in for fear of being labeled an afrocentric but nonetheless i applaud you for speaking on the racial undertone of sub saharan which is just a scientific way of calling native africans subhuman and implying that their sub saharan/subhuman state prevented them from crossing the sahara desert which only came in to full desertification 5 6000 years ago.i also love how she speaks on the legal classification of arabs in america being legally white.great research and even better info
The idea of Sub-Saharan is nuts when you think about it. modern Humans came out of Africa and for some reason the ones that remained somehow did not explore other regions. Madness.
Firstly the Sahara wasn't always a desert and the amount of genetic diversity on that continent is mindblowing.
You can't get such diversity without people moving around from region to region over thousads of year, plus the Nile is still there.
African history is the only history that's political.
So how would you distinguish between two different Africans from completely separate regions of the continent with completely different features not knowing the exact country they came from if both individuals were named Mohammed and I wanted to know which Mohammed you were talking about ? Lol 😆
doesn’t matter what people or place of the world you’re referencing History, politics and religion are inseparable.. I challenge you to describe the history of any civilization without mentioning something political
@@njandrews4105 Sahara barrier is not a political thing or a social construct😂
@@rififienforce did I imply that it was ??..dip 💩
That’s, right, I have always said that the term “sub Saharan “ is a racist term, designed to elevate the people who originated from Turkey and Syria who now reside in the Northern part of the continent.It’s another black put down term concocted by the dirty dog “classic “ western scholars.
Dr. Kennedy,
Thank you for your honesty of scholarship!
You know I bet to the Amazigh, Bedouin, and the Coptic peoples you all sound silly talking about this. I think it would be a good idea to hear what they have to say about the topic.
Maby you can give us informations. A link maby or a script.
Their opinion is not of any great import since the identity of the copts is no mystery...and their identity has been known for over 150 yrs
“The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt, we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt. It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.”
Champollion-Figeac 1867
(Founding Egyptologist)
The modern inhabitants of Egypt, depending on their sect, have tenuous connection to ancient Egypt, as do any strong claims about the people who inhabited Egypt then, whether speaking of rulers, tradesman, slaves, or commoners. Anyone who says they know for sure, is full of sh!t. I know this lady is not credible however. The best evidence suggests the kingdoms were mostly populated by a people who I wouldn't call white or black, with varying claims/evidence/accounts that can be made for varying descriptions. It was a neat ancient civilization, located on beneficial agriculture and trade routes, who obsessively focused national energy on large monoliths... let's not over glamorize them, or think our individual attempts to claim a connection to them gives us any personal worth. How about we fix our current problems.
I am Amazigh i consider myself subsaharian my symbolic culture is carved in the rock (Petroglyph) for millenias in both side of the desert Ghadafi mother was my great aunt (by western standards) we say grandma she was born in Mali South of the desert. The Bedouins as you say or those that claim to be are incerts from Yemen , Oman ,saudi, jordan etc and they will tell you themselves.Modern lybia is now composed of a mix of amazigh ,romains,Turkish(ottoman), and Bedouins (in that order) .
i can invite you in a tent anywhere from Algeria, libya , Morocco ,Sudan ,Niger ,Mali ,tchad etc.. A local Bedouin chief will be summoned to tell you the old tales behind tea and meat. If by amazighs you mean my blue eyes blond hair amazighs cousins in Algeria ,Morocco go and ask them why women are tattooed in the face and what they think about strangers in they're history. Having lived in this desert from both side known all cultures. run around in the sand as kid around someone like theodore monod i am baffled by the ignorance that as been allowed and tolerated in this world about africa . Northern modern Egyptian are has descendant of ancient Egyptian as much trump, obama , Reagan or Giuliani are descendant of ancient Navajo, Eskimos or Iroquois chiefs. north africa have been invaded more frequently longer and with more intensity than the USA have been the last 500 years. Once the Sahara was no longer a formidable barrier they went deeper even claimed South Africa Zimbabwe "Rhodesia" Zambia , Kenya etc.. As their ancestral heritage and many still believe it .
@@assertivekarma1909 "The Kingdom was populated by people who i wouldn't call white or black". All the evidence shows that they were the same racial type as other native populations of Northeast Africa. Native Northeastern Africans are black therefore there is no reason to avoid simply identifying ancient egyptians as black. The only reason people avoid this is based purely on modern social-political biases. All the evidence shows that the ancient egyptian population and their culture originated from the interior regions of Africa. Who else originates from the interior of Africa and is not black??
Did the Africans themselves tell you they were "Sub Saharan"?
The term, Sub-Saharan is a political term created in the he Kate 69's -70's in an attempt to separate Egypt from the rest of Africa..
Why in our languages in sub-sahara we are finding words which are the same like ancient Egyptian language and have same signification , and another world of ancient Egyptian is the name of some peoples here ???????
Thank you for this video. I appreciate her speaking the truth.
This Channel went from Neo-Nazi breading grounds to Pan-African enlightening real quick.
I'm subscribing now 👍🏽
Thank you Dr. Kennedy May RA bless you ever more.
Sub Saharan is a European way of denigrating Africans. Italians and Greeks aren’t called Sub Alp Europeans. It sounds close to sub human. Berbers traded and fought with the Mali empire for centuries.
I love her! Much respect Dr Kenny for you’re intellectual integrity.
Black doesn’t mean Africa. No is saying Egyptians aren’t African. Ancient Ethiopia is Sudan and not modern Ethiopia. When people refer to black North Africa, we are referring to Nilotic people. They are a Native group. The problem is west Africa people being painted as the face of Africa. If southern Europeans are white than all Mediterranean people are white which includes North Africans.
Information concerning the history of Egypt is very slowly making it's way to the surface from the depths of denial. Soon the connection between Kemet and Nubia will be one, not separate kingdoms but a continuous empire.
Herodotus only shows up in the 400's B.C. He couldn't tell you much about much about the people, or lay of the land prior to that.
LOL well it sure didn’t make them any “lighter.”
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Agreed! But people lean so heavily one or two opinions. By the time Herodotus shows up things are so different northern africa.
@@bayyinahzhaxx7620 nah not really
@@bayyinahzhaxx7620 most of his information comes from the Egyptian priests and everyday people in the land…the priests told him essential that the Europeans were babies when it comes to pretty much everything. The cultures the Egyptians and Nubians shared made them indistinguishable from each other. He was even told that Egyptians were a new colony sent out by the Ethiopians. And when you dig you’ll see Ethiopians or cushites influence on Europe, the Middle East AND the Asian continent 🤷🏾♂️
Sure lol , say anything
Egypt (Kemet) civilization was wholly a Black African civilization that was propelled by the gift of Nile River that originated at Lake Victoria and flows through Uganda and South Sudan (Nubia) through Ethiopia into Egypt (kemet). The Romans ruled Egypt for nearly 700 years before the Arabs (Middle easterners), in December 639, conquered the ancient African kingdom. The Muslim conquest of Egypt was led by the army of 'Amr ibn al-'As, took place between 639 and 646 AD and was overseen by the Rashidun Caliphate. It ended the seven-century-long period of Roman reign over Egypt that began in 30 BC. The present day Egyptians are not original natives; those Black Nubians on the Aswan Dam were the natives. Ancient Egypt stretches to the present day Sudan and part of Ethiopia (Cush) not this modern demarcation by European colonialist.
Whi the f are you to go through our history! How dare you come up with theory about a place e with no connections at all, and start propagating a propaganda about! Stick your culture in Ghana or Nigeria or whatever, we don’t have any connections! The theory of colour about a race based on your of history if rediculous ! And we have had enough of your propaganda! Enough is enough !
They say they are though. Seem more likely more intermingling happened than people realize.
@@djinnjax3274 What facts are they using to confirm their existence in Kemet? Saying so, doesn't make it so.
@@lauwilliams-hn8qs Genealogy.
@@djinnjax3274 Soooo, that proves what???
Marxist development economists in the 1970's were first to employ the term sub-Saharan, not as some sort of value judgment but as an acknowledgement that Marx's Asian Mode of Production paradigm didn't really apply to the economies of countries that were generally south of the Sahara desert. They wondered about how and why production and consumption patterns were so different in those countries. The term got picked up in the 1980's as a catch-all to replace the older term Black Africa, still used in the 1960's. Currently the term sub-Saharan has become a categorical omnibus with supposed explanatory power in geography, history, sociology, politics, economics and lately even human genetics. It is a term cherished by social media warriors of rightist, race-baiting, reactionary bent who relish the fiction of a vast impenetrable desert drawing an ethnic curtain between the Africans living on the Mediterranean seaboard and Africans living in savanna zones and humid forests. With the smallest efforts the term sub-Saharan, as brandished by these lackeys, falls away and is revealed to be no more than wishful thinking.
@Daniel E. This difference is relatively new. Even ancient M2 haplogroup in North Africa relates to E1 groups in the horn, which is also "sub Saharan".
@@rififienforce I haven't got a fkn clue what you're on about mate. Horn of Africa? Sudan? You're barkers up the wrong tree. But by all means have at it if it means ish to you. "Woke" not a word that stings, if your aiming to sting. Don't even know what "woke" means...I doubt you do either. If u think you've got tight genetics to wave about, be my effing guest: link it and we'll let the smart punters pick it to pieces, ya habibi. Let's really see how your sleepy Asia origins in Sudan story supports today's liberal usage of "sub-Saharan".
@@frankscott1708it’s not new North African populations are bio morphologically /phenotypically distinct for Niger kordofanian/nilo Saharan black African population groups . Also what concrete consistent sound evidences do you have to demonstrate the accuracy of your assertion above
@@fabbeyonddadancer The assertion I am making is that the term, the word, "sub-Saharan" is new (1980's) and based in Marxist economics. I am not making a ridiculous claim that there are no actual differences between north African and populations and populations in other parts of Africa. Nor am I saying that those differences are somehow new. It is this term "sub-Saharan" that is new and it is being given explanatory power, categorical power that it does not have...usually in the mouths of people who are ignorant of African geography, history, genetics, economics. If you care to search the term "sub-Saharan" you will see its roots in Marxist economics starting as early as 1972 in work by Paul Beckett but doesn't get popularized generally until the 1980's by people like Jean Copans.
Bottom line, "sub-saharan" is racist terminology and needs to be treated as such. Africans saturated ALL of Africa for well over 200k years and they still exist in countries located in the northern portion of the continent, regardless of the influx of Arabs in the 600ce era. It's just another Eurocentric moniker with ulterior motives that needs to quit being used.
Has anyone ever pointed out the fact that modern Egyptians have small percentages of West African DNA in them “slave blood” when most of the slaves that came into Egypt and to the Levant were East African. This fact honestly raises the question as to how did West African DNA show up in today’s Egypt so frequently. Could the discovery of Ramses III being closely related to West Africans through his Y-DNA be an answer? 🤔
Lol stop being smarta$$..
The 15% are mtdna African "L" Linage in Egyptians and they are 60% in Ethiopians (East Africans)
It's mtDNA not atDNA
And btw L linages Origin is in East Africa lol.
Mind blown 🤯
Very biased this Kennedy is. Nobody is white-washing Egypt.
Herodotus makes VERY CLEAR distinction between what he calls Libyans, Ethiopians and Egyptians. And yes Egyptians as he explains where very different from Ethiopians (Greek word for burnt face).
So no, reminding people that Ancient Egyptians are close genetically to the people of the Levant and NOT subsaharan Africans is not white-washing.
Enough with this PC
The ethiopians are the BURNT faces as in real dark skin, the ones depicted as black in hieroglyphs. Egyptians are BROWN skin as depicted. Both being black africans, just one brown skinned and the other dark-skinned.
@@devrayne6770 I speak Greek, I read the sources, as they were written down.
And i will say it until it is made clear. There is a clear distinction between Libyans, Ethiopians, and Ethipians. also, at that time there wasn't even a word "Africa".
So bulking Levantine populations with subsaharan populations all as black africans, is very racist and ignorant of you.
Keep your americanised PC interpretations and race-wars over the pond, away from the Mediterranean. We don't need it.
@@OccultKenji Lol I actually live in Africa but good try going the black American route. Of course it wasn't called Africa then, that doesn't mean anything though. North Africa was inhabited by indengenious blacks but due to drought had left. You can try with the "it's unclear" but Diodorus said the same thing too. You just can't accept it.
@@devrayne6770 so does alot of people live in Africa, what does that have to do with anything, obviously you don't know history where ever you live!
As soon as she said that Egypt's vision was to the South I smelt bias. What about the Middle East, Persia, Cyprus, Indian Ocean etc.
There is no left Egypt or right Egypt. Only upper and lower
@@Bogey1022 Egyptian trade & influence is not confined to the Nile
You smelt bias because the ancient Egyptians were biased. The ancient Egyptian word for left and east is the same word "IABET" and the word for west and right "IMENTET" is also the same word...the only way left/east align and right/west align is when one faces SOUTH...thus the ancient Egyptians were BIASED to the lands south which they called Ta-Neter or Land Of The Gods
There are two things you can be sure of.
1- Biden will be president Jan. 20, 2021 @ 12:00 PM
2 -The ancient Egyptians were BLACK.
@@Bogey1022 that’s because there’s no East Nile or West Nile.
@@charlesking415
1 - Sidney Powell
2 - Look at the colour they painted themselves.
The Ancient people of Kemet were Black Africans like any other.
(Also Diodorus said that Ethiopians said Egypt is merely a colony of Nubia.)
The full quote from Herodotus …
“For the fact is as I soon came to realise myself, and then heard from others later, that the Colchians are obviously Egyptian. When the notion occurred to me, I asked both the Colchians and the Egyptians about it, and found that the Colchians had better recall of the Egyptians than the Egyptians did of them. Some Egyptians said that they thought the Colchians originated with Sesostris’ army, but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians.
Lastly: Zahi Hawass a well known Egyptian-egyptologist said "ancient Egyptians had dark(black) skin but not negroes bcz look at the the negroes lips and noses and look at theirs, they are completely different. This is why you can not connect the Egyptian civilization with African at all." ( I GUESS OUR NOSES AND LIPS ARE FROM LEVANT)
From: dailynewsegypt.com
"Zahi Hawass Admits That Egyptians Were Black Skinned | In order to determine ethnicity, anthropologists can use skulls. There are numerous criteria that influence their final deductions. 1. There is the... | By Mr. Imhotep | Facebook" m.facebook.com/Mr.Imhotepoff/videos/zahi-hawass-admits-that-egyptians-were-black-skinned/684167532588019/
Gaston Maspero, 19th-century French Egyptologist, stated that "by the almost unanimous testimony of ancient Greek historians, they Ancient Egyptians belonged to the African race, which settled in Ethiopia."
Additional evidence of Egypt's origins comes from the geneaology of Noah in Genesis. Noah's three sons are Ham, Shem and Japeth, the ancestors of the three main branches of humankind known to the biblical writers. Ham is indubitably the ancestor of the black race; his name comes from the Egyptian "kam" meaning "black." His sons are Misraim (Egypt), Cush (Ethiopia), Canaan (Palestine) and Phut (Punt or East Africa). Though allegorical on one level, the Old Testament writers were accurately reflecting known ethnic relationships of antiquity by placing the Egyptians in the black or African branch of humanity.
Count Constantine : the year 1787, upon seeing all of the evidence of the African in Egypt, Count Constantine De Volney wrote: "Just think, that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech!"
Quote from 1867 by founding father, Egyptologist Champollion Figeac -
“The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia
In the Copts of Egypt we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.”
("Scientist shocked to discover ancient Egyptians were black"...see UA-cam)
See also: "New Evidence Ancient Egyptians were Black, November, 2022". UA-cam
@Daniel E. Notice.. No Ancient Historians from the ancient times describe Black Africans/Egyptians as being White or European or pinkish in hue. If anyone disagrees you are welcome to go to Egypt and witness the preserved skin on all of the mummies preserved, all have black/Afro skin and hair retained.
Gaston Maspero " by the almost unanimous testimony of ancient Greek historians, they ancient Egyptians belonged to the African race, which settled in Ethiopia."
@Daniel E. Also from Dr. Hawass: Zahi Hawass a well known Egyptian-egyptologist said "ancient Egyptians had dark(black) skin but not negroes bcz look at the the negroes lips and noses and look at theirs, they are completely different. This is why you can not connect the Egyptian civilization with African at all.". ( IN OTHER WORDS OUR LIPS AND NOSES ARE FROM LEVANT.)
But since Zahi Hawass wants lips to prove it with dark skin too. Let's prove it, we have an abundance of truth:
Lucian of Samosata (The Ship or the Wishes):
"Well, but, Samippus, this boy was nothing great, that he should make such a conquest; Adimantus has the beauties of Athens at his beck; nice gentlemanly boys, with good Greek, on their tongues, and the mark of the gymnasium on every muscle; a man may languish under their rigours with some credit. As for this fellow, to say nothing of his dark skin, and protruding lips, and spindle shanks, his words came tumbling out in a heap, one on the top of another; it was Greek, of course, but the voice, the accent were Egyptian born. And then his hair: no freeman ever had his hair tied up in a knot behind like that."
Also, show where ancient historians during the time of Herodotus wrote that Ancient Egyptians were something other than Black African? Please show that..
Dr. Zahi Hawass even admits the skulls are Black African. See You tube.. The visuals are the same as was reported by the Greeks and Romans etc. The Ancients saw the lips and noses and skin and made their conclusions/Black Afro.
@@samuelwilliams4978 Zahi Hawass never said that afro bullshit 😂
Accept all the statues are of black faces. If they aren't nubian they sure warshipped them😂
These videos are fake everything were written by hirodout that no sub Saharan in Libya 🇱🇾 , but u r trying to attribute it to blacks. We are not sub Saharan ppl don’t stealing our history we are Berber who painted on pharaonic temples Bf Christianity they have fair skin not black then they mixed with phonics,Greek so stop ✋ lies we have owned genius and language that speak till now from 10 thousands years
You may be Berber. But, if so, then you are not native to Africa. You're an immigrant or invader, take your pick.
Sounds like someone is trying to put modern ideals on ancient peoples.
If you support using the term "Sub Saharan" in Antiquity then you are describing yourself.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Sub Saharan Africa is a geographical term used to describe anything south of the Sahara desert. Saying that the term is somehow racist and perpetuating the dominance of white people is post modernism and not real academia. That is like If I talk about Scandinavia during the Bronze Age, even though it was not called Scandinavia it’s the term for what the region is called today. That is not putting modern ideals on ancient people, it is using the name for what we call the region today. Go ahead and ignore the fact that she was indeed doing that.
@@ForeignRHM Egypt was built by “Africans” from the south. Ancient Mexico was built by the Olmecs. Ancient Sumeria was built by the sag-gig-ga, the black headed people. “Sub- Saharan” is a term to keep African Americans from connecting to the most advanced civilizations ever. It’s about keeping the status quo of power on the planet.
@@marcusholbert2525 except it’s not? Everyone knows about the Kushite dynasty and the early influence of punt on Egypt. Early kings mention punt and even ran expeditions to find it and open relations.
Meanwhile assuming “black headed people” means “black” in the modern sense is just plain wrong. Ancient Sumerians share the most DNA in common with the modern residents of southern Iraq.
@@skeletalbassman1028 >Ancient Sumerians share the most DNA in common with the modern residents of southern Iraq.
We don't know how ancient Sumerians looked geneticlaly.
Very informative. Finally... they are acknowledging these were black people indigenous to the African continent.
Ancient Egypt is 100% black!
I love how phds who actually spend the whole life studying the type of stuff break the history down, the anthropology, and even the archaeology down, and then next thing you know people were COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED and completely IGNORANT come out with contravening information as if they are correct. It's hilarious
She says Ethiopians are from North West Africa. Let that sink in before you listen to the rest of her whitesplaining African history.
I'm sorry, but you're hearing what you want to hear, not listening to what she's saying. She says that Herodotus calls the people of north-west Africa Ethiopians (Αἰθίοπες, Greek for 'burned-face-people'). Because in Greek, at least in the fifth century BC, the Greeks did indeed use Ethiopian to mean black, and I believe they even occasionally used Αἰθίοπες to describe Indians. Later in the thousand-year history of the ancient world, Ethiopian began to be used of the the inhabitants of what we now call Ethiopia.
If they give up ancient Egypt then they have to give up ISRAEL..
Who will give up Egypt? They don't own Egypt 😂😂
Do you think the 110 million Egyptians will simply recognize you a Nigerian as their ancestor or whatsoever you claim?
Hilarious 🤡😂😂🤡
When this women is talking about “white North Africa” is she saying that middle eastern people are considered as “white people” ? Or is she saying that there were Northern Europeans in North Africa?
Most North Africans are grouped as 'white' by racial standards today but they have pretty diverse genetics. Groups like the Amazighs whose genetics differ with the standard European ones are still grouped as white.
@@robloxgirlgamerhello483 This entire White vs Black idea is mumbo jumbo and something that developed mainly in America. I'm from Morocco. I'm light brown. Most Moroccans are brown, dark brown or light brown. You'll have Moroccans in my region of origin that are mostly white to light brown. Guess what, it's because of climate. People adapt to their climate. This is science. You'll have Moroccans to the south that are dark brown to even black, because of combination of their climate and migration.
People who understand simple biology will understand that most North-Africans are not black and have never been for a very long time because of their climate. Saying otherwise would be going against science.
@@saraqostahterra4548 I can agree that this ideology is nonsense. But when getting a passport or visa most north africans and arabs are grouped as white but italians and spaniards are not. Its crazy but that is just how the modern world works.
@@robloxgirlgamerhello483 That is the case in America yes. But Americans lives in another dimension when it comes to races.
She is result of american education system that clearly see the world with black and white lences. Just sad.
Are you sure, Dr Kennedy, that the rise of the term sub-Saharan Africa isn't more a response to the political growth of Pan-Arabism and the comparative political integration of the Arabic-speaking world? As an Arabist I think of it as a geo-political term, not a racial one, although words are obviously open tools, so I'm sure the term can be and probably is also used in a racialized sense. Still, a good idea to be aware of the terms one is using, and an Arabized North Africa is obviously far from an ancient pre-Roman North Africa.
Otherwise, much to agree with. Thank you!
When it comes to your profession, what is your primary focus? When I saw your comment I very much had the hustler side of my brain kick on, haha. If interested, let's talk about having you on.
Oh, I'm afraid I'm a Late Antique scholar, especially of Arabia between Rome and Persia, and one not working professionally in the scholarly field. I did Classics and Arabic at university but at different times in my life. But I feel immensely flattered by your question!
See, now I am intrigued even more! Just looked you up on Academia, and all I am saying is that....... your scope also falls within the focus of this channel.... would you mind a private message on Academia?
Please do!
I was thinking the same thing. It has more to do with Nasser than with the race politics of 21st Century US academia.
I was waiting for this video
damn, that was a diss for Arabs...😂😂😂we let them be "white", but they are not, is what she is sayning🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
She did them wrong there lol 😂😂😂
Caucasoids is the right word. 'White' or 'blacks' is not accurate. So she said nothing, just caressing blacks americans wanabee😂
The same applies to the area we now call "the middle east". In ancient times, this area was inhabited by black Africans and was considered to be part of the Nubian continent.
Lmfao, what?
The Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and Arabs WUZ BLACK N SHIEET TOO?
@@divvsivlivs5406 You big mad 😂😂😂
@@divvsivlivs5406 the Andamanese still exist today, hold the oldest “Asian” genes out of all of Asia’s population yet everyone living on mainland Asia isn’t black anymore.... so weird. I guess I’d be crazy to claim they used to be black given the logic that they’re related to their oldest ancestors, the Andamanese.
@@DeVaughnDawn Yes, to say WE WUZ JAPANEZ N SHIET just because "Andamanese diverged from the Japanese D1a2 lineage ~53000 years ago", is no less absurd than saying WE WUZ PLANTZ N SHIEET(just because we share a common ancestor with plants, bacterium, or apes).
No, the Negrito did only "inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia, and the Andaman Islands"; not "ASIAAAA".
No, you can't just group yourself with them under "black" and hypothesize a common ethnos; when they are as genetically close to your slave ancestors (from western and central africa) as they are to any Indo-Europeans "white" man.
In fact, they are gentically closest to indians and Australian aborigines; and you wouldn't say WE WUZ INDIANZ, expecting to be taken seriously, would you?
Lastly, you guys seriously need to treat the WE WUZ syndrom; as no one sensible would fall for it, would make you a subject of ridicule, and would make people suspicious to the existence of a real lack of culture that might be the origin of this inferiority complex; driving these half-hearted attempts to appropriate distant cultures.
Lol.
The term Sub-Saharan is a racist term used to differentiate North Africans of today from the Africans in the South. During ancient Africa, there was no sub-Saharan desert. It was green and plush.
All of Africa was black. There was no dividing line.
Sub Saharan was originally a geographic term separating the dry desert climate from the wet jungle climate. If people co-opted it for their racial agenda, that’s unfortunate. But it’s just a word. Technically, we are all sub-Arctic. Is that racist now? Is that what polar bears call us humans south of them? Are we going to ban geographic terms now? Words can’t harm you folks. It’s just air and sound
Lots of words which I don't usually hear from historians. I do hear them quite often from some other people - social studies people, critical race theory people, racist people.
Because ensuring black people are not erased from history is sooooooo racist.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 are people who share the same, more or less, skin pigmentation the same ethnically, culturally or linguistically?
@@treliaris888 nope. Just like "white people" are not the same. Topic being there were black people well established in North Africa. Everyone knows (I think) that North Africa was culturally / racially diverse.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 I'm not aware of any instance of " black people being erased from history" . Every single book or video i find about the history of ancient Egypt mentions the dual ethnical composition with intermittent rule and lack of racially driven conflict in ancient egyptian society.
Why do i hear expressions like "white washing", unless this is a social studies video.
Why do I hear a doctor ( academic i presume) dismissing a usual geographical term like sub-saharan on accounts that some unmentioned racist powers are using it to claim that Africa is white ( I've never heard this before tbh), unless we have critical race theory on the menu.
Why does a white female academic feel the powerful urge to defend the ancient geographical disposition of a certain racial group unless she believes that the people belonging to that group are so inferior, defenceless, uncultured and overall ignorant, that only she, the white academic, can possibly find the true salvation. This seems like racism to me. Well intended, but still.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
Cut the coy sarcasm shit. NO ONE is saying they're opposed to "ensuring black people are not erased from history". You're acting like you think that's what they said, as a rhetorical judo move. The issue is that there's a real movement that's seeking to "balance out" Eurocentric history by overcorrecting in the opposite direction, and terms like "whitewashing" are terms they use. Sarcastic rhetorical strawmanning is ALSO what they do. You're losing credibility fast.
So ancient Egypt spans like over what 3500 years? During that time as recorded there was and eb and flow from north east and south. Would it not be more accurate to say that depending on when and where we look in egypt would determine if the people living there had more African or middle eastern ancestors?
Its not fair to take a small slice of time or place and then say it applies the entire existence of the country.
Imagine finding a pre columbian burial site in 5 thousand years and then conclude that all Americans were natives.
Wouldn't a more accurate picture be the contrast between upper and lower egptian than saying north African vs sub saharan?
Pre dynastic egypt went waaay earlier than that
Lol Africans been in North Africa far longer than Semitic people who came from Asia. The Egyptians themselves say their holy land is PUNT. Which is in the Horn of Africa. Truth is the education system is racist inherently. How about you just go read what the Egyptians said about themselves. They were not Semitic lol
@@harwn999
Plz share some links im curious about the land of pundt. As i said there would have been an eb and flow and it appears horn of Africa had connections with yemen which from my understanding could be a source of semetic people's. Either way its all fascinating.
Please apply this logic to the “Nature” magazine published DNA results from ancient Egypt that only took sample from 1,400 BCE to c. 400 CE. and encourage those who use those DNA findings as some type of smoking gun proof or other form that evidence, in attempting to validate their long and falsely held beliefs that there were no Black people in Egypt until they were brought there as slaves. 🤨
If you study the dna samples from Egypt over time they are making a weird argument in my opinion. Plus Phoenicians and Mediterraneans weren't really 'white' by modern standards... What are they trying to prove here? Oh yeah, 'racist trope'.. hmmmmm. Is it deniable that the % of 'black' people is higher in sub saharan Africa than that of North Africa over a long period of time? This belongs in the opinion section of the NYT, lost respect for this channel, replacing science with wokeness by a pompous cat lady.
There never was a country called Egypt or a land called Africa in ancient times the name was Kemet and ALKEBULA. I hope you can stop spreading falsehood.
Talk to em!
Alkebuka😂
Why not wakanda?😂
I was in the comments of this channel 4 months ago making this exact argument and was being called an "Afrocentrist".
Facts me too 😭
Dude don't be ashamed. Be proud. African history needs an African input. It needs Afrocentric thought. Science is now proving things we've known for ages.
@@Ayo.Ajisafe Afrocentrist is a used as a slander yes I agree African history needs and AFRICAN perspective. But "Centrism" either Eurocentrism or Afrocentrism are the beliefs that 1 group of people founded all civilization which is wrong especially the 200 years of Eurocentrism that wrote our school books.
@@Ayo.Ajisafe Afrocentrist are people who try and say Ninjas in Japan are black and Cleopatra was black and the original English were black. But something like African civilizations being African should be common sense but we have to reverse hundreds of years of Eurocentrist bullshit.
@@Orph3us33 I dont see it like that at all.
Definition of Afrocentric
(websters)
1: centered on or derived from Africa or the Africans
2: emphasizing or promoting emphasis on African culture and the contributions of Africans to the development of Western civilization
Afrocentric scholarship is the type done by Diop. Merely relating Egypt etc to the rest of Africa. Trying to understand it through the lense of an African. Linguistic comparisons, trade in the rest of Africa. Some people will study Egypt only within relation to Europe. Battles and conflicts with Persia and Greece etc.
So I stand firm on that one. Someone who says all of Greece and Rome were black is NOT an Afrocentrist they are simply liars.
7:03 The term "sub-Saharan Africa" was first used in the early 20th century. It is used to refer to the region of Africa that lies south of the Sahara Desert. The term was adopted by scholars and geographers as a way to distinguish the region from North Africa, which is culturally and historically distinct.
The term "sub-Saharan Africa" is not without its critics. Some argue that it is a Eurocentric term that reinforces the idea that Africa is divided into two distinct regions, with North Africa being more advanced and developed than sub-Saharan Africa.
Cite your source
@@fabbeyonddadancer The term "sub-Saharan Africa" was first used in the early 20th century by Arab writers to refer to the region south of the Sahara Desert. The term was later adopted by European geographers and historians. Some sources say late 19th century.
My source:
"Sub-Saharan Africa: An Environmental History" by Gregory H. Maddox
"Sub-Saharan Africa: A Modern History" by John Reader
"The History of Sub-Saharan Africa" by John Iliffe
The utter _pettiness_ of this discussion is dispiriting to me -- including the malicious imputation, in absence of proof, of evil intent to the coiners of the term "sub-saharan".
It's a useful term. The mere fact that Herodotus thought there was no habitable land south of the Sahara attests to the fact that the Sahara was a serious barrier to travel.
Subsequent history -- in particular the trans-Saharan slave trade, attest to the importance of the barrier: the people who led that trade were specialists, with a culture peculiarly adapted to the climate, and they employed beasts of burden hitherto foreign to the African continent, those beasts having originally been brought from Asia.
What does this have to do with slave trade
@@fromabove422 Are you unaware that, for a thousand years, there was a trans-Saharan slave trade between sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa? If you're that ignorant of African history, what is the basis of your claim to be an African?
Excellent comment 👍
Perhaps she’s black washing North Africa
yup
She is racist
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Are you sure that this invisible line of discrimination is a product of Europeans? Why nobody takes a look at the Arab contribution to this folks division? I m personally trying to learn objectively about history, and PC mea culpa don't seem appropriate...
The europeans pretty much were farmers until the moors invaded spain and held it for 700 years.
Theres a reason they all turned to war at the same time
Arabs didn’t start the transatlantic slave trade nor did they colonize the continent. The Arab slave trade merely exported goods it did not politically redefine the lives of billions of people.
@@houseofvenusMD That's not the point! Arabs walked slave highways even before the roman empire, they weren't yet Arabs. They did never lose their tracks, to this day, with their confiscation of passports of labor forces from Asia and Africa. Europeans didn't need to buy people to work their lands in their dwelling countries, and Christiandom forbode that. Arabs, instead, developed the markets for businessmen mostly Europeans across the Atlantics, but, at the same time, they let Zanzibar thrive for other reasons ( Petra of Delos, major slave markets at their heyday were exhausted, so they felt the urge to create new markets) as opposed to Agadir, open to the Americas...
@@massimosquecco203 Wow what a huge historical error. Obviously you haven't read much first hand Spanish or Portuguese accounts. I recommend you read Bartolomeu de las Casas's "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies" (1552). In it he details how the natives were treated as Prelapsarian and thus could not be enslaved, but the pope had declared blacks fit for enslavement because they were not Christian and also not Prelapsarian (i.e. blacks lived in the "Old World"). I suggest you read some more first hand accounts before we continue this discussion. Christianity forbids slavery as much as Islam does -- you can enslave anyone that is not a believer. In the historical record, Muslims actual follow this rule better than Christians. For example: Afonso I of Kongo had his entire court converted to Catholicism and the Portuguese promptly began kidnapping his family members once they weren't receiving enough slaves by other means.
edit: autocorrect changed Afonso I to Alfonso I
@@houseofvenusMD ..and I return you the courtesy advising Th Cookbook of Marta Stewart as reading material!
I m compelled to assume you are a US American Citizen, seeing your rudeness and, above all, the typical tendency to derail the topic of discussion, and trying to pull the audience on your interests grounds, or eventual goals.
Once again: the subject was the Barrier between people from Sub-Sahara and the Mediterranean overseas, which means European countries, NoNoNo Americanos.
I came to you because of empathy: Your book seems about Spaniards trafficking human lives, isn't it? Isabella di Castiglia and Ferdinando d'Aragona were the sovereigns who let Christopher discover the new Indias, and also the first rulers who controlled Spain after the departure of the Arabs. In all honesty, what kind of infrastructures, discoveries and markets could they establish
This is incredible and important to the future of race relations worldwide. Now all we need is political leadership and the education to move this forward. Very timely and extremely helpful. Thank you.