The Science of PTSD (with NoahFinnce) | Sci Guys Podcast
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2024
- NoahFinnce joins us this week to talk about PTSD, our patron-voted topic for this month!
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“One time I accidentally reported a stabbing” is just a great quote 😂
54:00
Lol
I read a quote somewhere that perfectly explains what Noah is talking about in regards to the questions you get during an ADHD assessment and it applying to anyone, neurotypical or neurodiverse. "Everyone pisses but if you're doing it 60 times a day you might have a problem."
"I like autumn"
Me with my name being Autumn "aww I'm blushing"
“Ooh I’m excited to learn a lot about my condition and have a laugh at the same time”
*gets triggered several times throughout the episode*
“This is fine...”
I personally relate to Noah’s experience walking into class with visible tears✌🏻
yesyes
Same, one time I cried until the end of class. My teacher just ignored me the whole time whilst the whe class was staring at me. Fun times. Fun times.
Same
I hope they do maladaptive daydreaming next week, I used to daydream so much it would prevent me from actually living my real life, better at coping with it now though. Also, I relate to NoahFinnce's reactions haha, like 'surely everyone would do this right?'. I hope anyone reading this has a good day :)
Same. I’ve daydreamed a few years away.. Now that I have a full time job I’m forced to not daydream a lot but before that I was daydreaming all the time. In college I would daydream for 5-10 hours every day. It’s annoying when you can’t stop
@@user-lb6bn8vy3e Ikr, weirdly lockdown helped me to stop daydreaming as much, you'd think it would have the opposite effect really lol
I get such bad PTSD flashbacks when I'm cutting carrots, and I have literally no idea why. I don't *want* to know why. But it really sucks, because I have to cut carrots every day at work and the whole time I'm just shaking and sweating and trying to calm my breathing because I'm, like, legit terrified. My favorite is when someone comes to talk to me while I'm cutting them up so I get a momentary distraction, but it's usually like 30-45 minutes of going, "Oh god, I know there's a reason why I feel this way, but I'm not ready or capable of breaching this wall I've built around the memory, yet I'll still stand here and have the same physical response of someone who consciously knows what happened."
Hope you have the resources to be able to get trauma therapy. It's done wonders for me. Hugs and bugs❤🐜
Hope you've found some peace in the last year. 🤗
I love how I learned that tigers have retractable claws on an episode about PTSD. 😂
A bit of a pedantic answer but I really like the couple of months that overlap summer and autumn - august to early Octoberish. It's still pretty warm, lots of wonderful colours, the weather jumps around from sunny to stormy, it's the most exciting time of year!
I mean the months depend on where you live haha
Noah seems to have adopted Luke’s job of just questioning everything Corry says
Chidbirth experiences: not JUST the sad ones. I had a hospital birth and both my son and I were just fine. But having a spinal block put in to stop me feeling contractions did NOT stop me feeling the pain of the synovial cyst on my lower lumbar spine, and the nurses rolled me onto my left hip (the side with the spinal cyst putting pressure on my sciatic nerve) and I could not roll myself out of the side-lying position. I was screaming and crying and could not physically move my legs to get away from the pain and it took the nurses a few minutes to understand what was wrong with me.
Years later in a birth class, there was a video that showed a woman getting an epidural put in for labor and I had a panic attack and started crying in the middle of class and had to waddle my hugely pregnant self out of there to break down in a quiet room away from the birth class.
i did 3 months of cbt for ptsd and it was hell but it did help in some way. i had to relive the trauma over and over again (record every detail i remember and then listen to the recording every day). the therapist explained that ptsd basically means that you didn't process what happened, imagine a chaotic cupboard where you quickly threw in loads of things, and it needs to be relived in order to process it, so you take everything out of the cupboard and put it back in properly. i don't know why you only get 3 months on the nhs, it's not nearly enough.
I always describe flashbacks as your brain going "huh, what's this memory doing lying around unprocessed? We'll just process it right now!" (has flashback) "oh right, we'll just put that back on the shelf and deal with it later." (Stops having a flashback)
@@solsystem1342 yess exactly
I’d love to hear about maladaptive daydreaming from you guys because I’ve had it for a long time but didn’t know what it was until about 5 years ago. I didn’t know about CPTSD either until I was diagnosed I just thought it was PTSD.
definitely autumn. I looove that season. the colors, the overall atmosphere, the weather - everything about it is so warm and cozy🥺
Realizing that not everyone feels as shitty as you have your whole life sucks. Childhood trauma for the win👏
(I'm here with you Noah😩)
It's like what do you mean they "don't have" PTSD everyone's had PTSD since their first memories right? Oof
Recently I guess I unrepressed a memory and can’t stop thinking about it. Thank you all for talking about these things. I wish nobody ever had to deal with things like this, but it’s helpful to know I’m not alone.
I've been putting off watching this as i have ptsd. My more severe symptoms showed up late. I guess there were always symptoms but it took another traumatic event to push it over the edge and not allow me to just numb it out, occasional panic attack type deal. My brain also had so many of my memories blacked out. But after the more recent event, then i started having it severely for both the recent and childhood events and memories started flooding i was unaware i had and i feel like they're not even mine. I guess more so i don't want them to be mine and i disconnected so hard for so long until i couldn't anymore. It's terrifying when i physically, mentally and emotionally feel like im "there" even though i can look around and see im not in the physical place, my brain gets carried away and makes me act as if im in the moment, running away... Etc. I dont wanna say too much detail as it's difficult. I get completely caught up in it/delusional and i cant think rationally and realize what happened until it's just done with me and spits me out all of a sudden.
I'm so sorry that you have had/have to live through that. I hope you are able to find a good support system and therapist to help you
@@skoldpa thank you for your kindness
I’m starting to think i might be in a similar situation. I still have difficulties with the memory part of it and i cant tell if i’m making up a lot of stuff but considering some family members talking about their own experiences, i’ve started to connect the dots… i’m 17 and my parents have refused to treat my terrible anxiety and depression, let alone any of this stuff.
Fall is my favorite. Where I live we have almost no spring but we have a really beautiful fall. The weather is perfect (I mean its not, usually it fluctuates from really hot to really cold but I like it) and its so so pretty when all the leaves change!
Edit: we love a Percy jackson reference!!
autumn: good crunch leaves
Learning what CPTSD is from this video... I DEFINITELY don't experience the majority of these symptoms!! Ahaha *books appointment with therapist*
(Side note- genuinely, thank you so much for this episode. It made me realize I probably have CPTSD and I can't express how life-changing learning about it has been. Ofc I did my own research but I wouldn't have known about it without you guys. Thank you ❤)
My fave season is late spring, it’s light out and the Seasonal Depresso starts fading away but it’s still dark at night so u can sleep, t-shirt weather but not a lot of sweating and there are lil flowers and butterflies everywhere and the whole world is waking up and you start believing in life
I actually almost started a religion last spring cuz i was just so happy about the world existing that i nearly thought god was real
Fall is my favourite. I love Halloween and the weather.
Autumn is my favourite season, closesly followed my Winter
I think the numbers about race sadly might also be about the expectation of a repeat of the trauma.
The fact that discussions of animal feet came up two separate times 😂
I have service related PTSD but the tangent about 9/11 and Complex PTSD is really something. I have reoccurring dreams of finding 1/2 a $1 bill then looking up to see the towers come down on top of me. September 11th 2001, on the way to school, I asked my mom I could have the dollar in her glove compartment, it was pinned in the hing so when I pulled it, it tore in half. My mom laughed and seconds later, the radio in interrupted with what happened. For some reason, I don't like having single $1 bills now. Tall buildings are fine, aircraft... I'm an aircraft enthusiast, but a single $1 note gives me an extremely uneasy feeling. Like "This $1 is going to cause me to do something really dumb in the future, and it'll all come crumbling down"
Valid. You can't control what your brain associates with trauma any more then you can control what songs you like.
Is it just me or the symptoms of CPTSD seem to align a whole lot with symptoms of BPD?
Loved the episode by the way!
Yes the list sounded basically like the criteria for BPD
Many people with BPD also have a form of PTSD, around 25 to 60 %. People who have CPTSD without BPD usually have a more consistent sense of self and symptoms are only triggered by specific events/situations but the rest of the symptoms align quite well (and from my own experience: after trauma therapy the symtoms of CPTSD can nearly go away within months). If someone has BPD and PTSD they will also profit a lot from trauma therapy as their symptoms might become more manageable.
@@maryrose9292 they are related when you look ar symptoms and many of the causes.
cptsd and bpd are also both secondary forms of structural dissociation
@@chrisblessing45 I know, both are trauma responses but BPD is a personality disorder while CPTSD isn't. The therapy for BPD usually takes longer and is a bit different. F.e. with BPD the treatment should focus on creating a stable sense of self while with CPTSD it already is stable in most cases (but often rather negative). As soon as someone with CPTSD has worked on their traumatic experiences and learned how to manage triggers, symptoms go away really fast. There is also no fear of abandonment like with BPD (if the trauma didn't include beeing abandoned of course) and often a general avoidance of close relationships instead of seeking them out.
Autumn makes me the happiest, the colors are great, yeah, but also autumn in the Pacific Northwest is just fantastic in general lol
I loved Noah’s suggestion about an episode on treatment of mental illnesses with psychedelics. My favourite season is summer, the hotter the better!
winter is the best season (especially if it is snowing)
PTSD is debilitating and having thoughts of suicide, for me were almost a constant. I have suffered for over 5 years and I'm only now being able to cope. Please seek professional services, it is okay to ask for help. Peace ✌
I love that quote about trauma-based systems where Corry says "then who's driving the body?!" 🤣
can you talk about eating disorders? amazing video btw
I left my abusive mother and the 6 months after that were the best of my life, but then my PTSD symptoms started, it has been 4 years now. Honestly, childhood abuse is the worst thing that can happen to a person, it has been 4 years and my mind still acts like I’m there. I watch all of your videos, but I just can’t watch this one, I thought of leaving a comment though, from the perspective of someone who has it
If you have the resources I'd recommend a trauma therapist (from experience). It's taken a several years but I've gone from having flashbacks really frequently and dealing with other synonyms to for all intensive purposes not having PTSD anymore. I guess what I'm trying to say is you can get to that feeling of freedom. Don't give up pal! Hugs and bugs! ❤🐜
Edit: I definitely agree childhood abuse sucks. I just didn't realize how bad it was to deal with until recently because I'd never had memories from before that.
This video is just me realizing I should seek a c-ptsd diagnosis
Favourite season? Early autumn & late spring! (Yep, cheating by squeezing two answers in there 😆) There's so much colour in the natural world at those times of year, it's less windy (great for cycling), and the temperatures aren't too extreme. Plus you get beautiful crisp air and clear light perfect for restorative walks, exploring and obsessively taking photographs! 😁
Edit: 58:38 Whoah. The fact that PTSD can cause (or at least be correlated with) actual recognizable changes in the structure of the brain is pretty mind-blowing. Both in terms of how intense it is as a condition, and how much this demonstrates the plasticity/adaptability of the human brain! 😳
i love autumn cuz i finally recover from my summer seasonal depression and slip into my normal all year round depression 💪🏼😌
Summer for sure, when I actually have time to workout and take care of my body!
❄️Winter makes me happiest. ❄️
Autumn because the weather is so nice
TW torture and rape:
I hope not many people have been tortured, but I have... I have C-PTSD but I was first diagnosed with PTSD after being kidnapped (the term for it in swedish is much better: "frihetsberövad" which translates into 'deprived of liberty' but is the same as being kidnapped) for a short period of time and being tortured with taser, beaten, raped and bound by hands and feet. I am thinking of addressing it deeper on my own channel, I just don´t want that to be what people remembers about me.
I want to add that avoidance doesn´t have to be just staying at home and avoiding things, it can be literally avoiding a person that reminds you of your trauma/abuser and crossing the street or taking a longer route, all while your heart beats very fast and your soul wants to escape your body... again, or you are close to dissociating and a gew minutes later won´t remember how you ended up at the toilet in McDonalds.
When it comes to treatment, EMDR is the best all around. CBT feels like, to me and other PTSD sufferers, the cheap way for the health care system to get away with it. It manages the symptoms but it doesn´t deal with what happened to you. That´s my and people I know's experiences anyway.
EMDR is the best. I mean, after it's done. I don't have experience with other treatment methods tbh so can't comment on them.
Having processed the memories afterwords though is unlike any other feeling. There's this weight you've been carrying for (in my case) decades and it's just gone.
Spring makes me happiest. Thank you for covering this, gents.
As a person who has been diagnosed with CPTSD and is in therapy for it (doing much better now btw) all I can say is, "Yes, correct, and good job"
I want "Sci Guys: Self Diagnose Bingo"
Spring/autumn for me, moderate temperatures ftw!
winter because it's when my birthday is and I love wintery foods and Christmas markets and hot drinks and hoodies
This is like a year late but for the conversation around 21:00 re: when does a person have a mental health condition vs. just being a normal person, everyone loses concentration sometimes etc. -- it's a disorder when the symptoms become *clinically significant* - that is, when the symptoms are so pervasive that they are interfering with your activities and functions of daily life. For example, my ADHD symptoms are severe enough in some dimensions that I have been fired or quit jobs that I'm perfectly qualified for otherwise.
i swear everything i learn about cptsd and trauma makes me more sure that I've got something going on
Spring makes me happiest because there are many butterflies in the woods around the corner from my house. Also my birthday is in spring. Also I get to tell everyone who is called Robby that it is their season because if you translate the name Robbi to Arabic, it means spring (the season)
I like spring cuz all the flowers start blooming and it's very pretty
War films have a hard time of making it realistic, but not triggering people in the audience who have lived through the horrors. Keeping that balance with respect.
Fall, like many of you, is my favorite too ☺️🍂
Fall makes me happiest
The tiger paw derail. Perfect relief over the hot topic.
spring is my favorite 😌
The way I like to explain the difference between PTSD and C-PTSD is that C-PTSD is PTSD but make it a personality disorder. It's more globally invasive.
Point of consideration for people who want to be mad about Cory pointing out that white people probably have it better in terms of trauma because of support networks and such because you're about to talk about yourself/someone you know who has C/PTSD from (insert thing here) - did that trauma come from what was supposed to be your support network? Every fellow white person I know with long-term PTSD or C-PTSD got it from situations where their support system was the problem or extreme situations where the support system was taken away (like being away at war.) Every person I've ever known who has made a full recovery from PTSD has been a well-supported person with a single trauma that wasn't anybody's malicious fault, like a car crash.
Edit again- Yes, hello, I was 13 when 9-11 happened. That also means that sandwiched in between that and this pandemic I was a 20 year old trying to figure out my career plans during the 2008 recession.
If I ever feel trapped or squeezed the PTSD is so bad and I feel the exact worrying feeling
Torture can be emotional and psychological which is really common in people with cptsd
It's more the interaction with the horses that is the therapy. As a lifelong rider/& trainer, working with horses has saved me in every way. I have all the symptoms of this episode..& just existing seemed a daily challenge well into my 20's, until I began professionally training horses. Working with these animals is life changing in that you do leave this world during these interactions, & you must tune into theirs, which is full of emotion as well, & you must find the communication to create that "working" relationship. It creates a safe zone, if your trauma has been human related. Another fascinating thing is it's common to be drawn to horses who have had similar histories or show similar personality tendencies. We have alot of equine therapy in the US for ex military..& something as seemingly simple as a horse choosing to walk up to someone, during a training session, can flood these wounded people with emotions. I know the depth of horses, they are intuitive, emotional, affectionate, honest beings...& a broken human being presented with this experience of feeling that...it can instigate an acknowledgement of the innocense in us, to forgive ourselves, to see past our relived/prison of trauma. I especially am drawn to horses that have been unwanted or physically unwell, & been misunderstood. Helping them took the place of my constant anxiety & deep, suffocating sadness. They have been my constant now for the last 30 years...& I owe my livelihood & sanity to them🦄
Love this. I had a very close bond with animals as I grew up (chickens especially). They'd roost on me and let me pet them. We'd talk back and forth too.
However, PTSD does not mean that someone is "broken". I hate that word. We are survivors not victims, etc.
Definitely Autumn.
It's a process of exclusion for me.
Summer is often too hot, winter too cold, and spring has too many allergens.
Autumn and Spring !!!
54:51 PJO REFERENCE ✨✨
I really like autumn (mostly late October and early to mid November). The weather isn't boiling, people haven't started being annoying about Christmas, it's got Halloween and Guy Fawkes night... also pretty leaves. I'd probably like winter a lot more if Christmas wasn't such a big thing, Summer is actually awful and roasting, and Spring is pretty meh.
Autumn probably. Halloween, changing leaves, cooler weather, etc.
The symptoms of CPTSD sound like the criteria for BPD
I have both, they feel like separate things. I think cause they are both trauma disorders their's overlap.
Autumn, I love the colors 🍄🍂🍁🌰
Just got through the whole video about ptsd unscathed and then got triggered by a better help add 😩
im just watching this video and everytime they mention a sign of ptsd just relateing to it lmao (i am diagnosed btw)
32:53 trauma and lack of nontrauma
I don't wanna choose a season
Every season depending on the season at the time
I relate too much to not comprehending how most people don't live with ptsd lol
spring - not too hot so I can do all the sports with my doggo Barney and not get too hot and all the flowers are blooming !! lovely to go riding too!
Barney is a great name for a dog!
@@user-sw7ru6tk6e thank you! he’s a great dog!
I love every season except winter. It is the bane of my exsistence. 🥺🥺im cold
Seasons never bring me joy
But I like fall best
Yay!!! PTSD followed by MADD?!?!?!?! That's half my life.
DissociaDID has done some good videos on PTSD among other things.
25:07 yeah sooo do I ask my therapist ab the fact that I relate to literally all of this orrr no?
Spring is my favourite season because it has the best temperature. I have to remind myself not to take the good temperature for granted before it gets too hot. But wait! I got a really good window fan last year, so I guess that summer isn't that bad anymore. I still don't like it, though, because everywhere else is still too hot. One of my cats recently got trapped in between the screen door and the normal door for almost an hour, and my mom said that she would have cooked to death if it was summer. So yeah. Screw summer.
Is it possible to have some form of PTSD just from being transgender? I feel like being forced by society to be uncomfortable and to be someone you're not for years and years must put a toll on someone
I'm mildly dyslexic (also maths dyslexic) and going to be studying ancient greek at uni lmao
Winter definitely, I don’t know how to explain it but winter.
Technically, summer makes me happiest, simply because there is no school. However, my favourite season is still winter.
I like summer the best. (Also I was 14 when 9/11 happened so that little bit of discussion made me cry in millenial.)
Spring or autumn
Did we just consume all the same content? Much love from Ohio, USA
Yeah, I really need therapy. I can't watch this episode without constant panic attacks
Noah is right though, some of the symptoms do apply to someone who had just a regular bad thing happen to them
I like winter cos nobody's out in the field
autumn and winter :D
Summer makes me happiest. Winter makes me hate life 😂
Wait if y'all do one a maladaptive dreaming can i be a guest because I have that
Corry’s hoodie looks like Cookie Monster
I just noticed i am on one medication that is used to treat depression and ptsd 😂
I know this one guy who is mentally healthy. Can't relate
Fall and winter.
I love autumn because I get really happy when it's windy.
Also I might be one of the mentally healthy unicorns - I'm trans and I feel like I should have some sort of mental illness, but I just ... don't? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy about it, but it doesn't really make sense
Also this means that I'm taking away a valuable therapy place in order to get surgeries, but that's not really my fault
Wait ........no Luke ??? Me go cry
I think maybe it would have been better to have someone with PTSD or CPTSD on the show because it's pretty awkward hearing people who don't experience it at all make light of it.
To be fair we have no idea if any of them have ptsd
u do nooot know our medical history ahah
@@user-lb6bn8vy3e In that case it would be nice to know.
@@NOAHFINNCE Definitely wasn't trying to be rude in anyway bro. I have CPTSD myself and was just kind of triggered by how chill everyone was I guess?
@@LonelyParadiseKiss i understand that but at the same time our medical history isn't anybodys business at all..
autum No DISPHORIA!!!! and soon enough witer comes.