"...and *with me formerly being a Judoka*, I can surely say that they share similar moves with Judo..." -Yuki Nakai (Shinya Aoki's coach, Paraestra BJJ and Japanese BJJ President). ua-cam.com/video/Scf5HZq1HE8/v-deo.html
If you allow flying armbar then you should allow body slamming. I am always a believer that if you allow a technique in tournaments then automatically the counter for that technique should also be allowed
@@ezemeza1363 BJJ is not Kosen Judo. The Gracies were never taught by a Kosen instructor. They practiced traditional Kodokan Judo and over the years they modified it. Started to train without the gi, incorporated catch wrestling techniques, and around the 90s innovations of the guard started to be introduced. Stop it
@@ezemeza1363 No that’s not the Gracie version. The Gracie version is that they were taught by Maeda which was not true. They were taught by Jacintho Ferro who was a Black Belt under Maeda and then later taught Geo Omori who was a Kodokan Black belt. There is absolutely no link between the Gracies and Kosen, BJJ and Kosen were developed separately.
@@wayne47able , Aoki trains with Yuki Nakai at Paraedtra BJJ (the president of the Japanese *BJJ* confederation). Koji Komuro also trained in Paraestra BJJ but he he represents the Kosen Judo.
@aluisiofsjr Hey uploader, I have two questions just for curiousity. How popular and widespread BJJ schools are in Japan? And what the Japanese side of Judo community thinks of BJJ?
Aluísio me tira uma dúvida sobre lapiseira, eu vi q vc comenta lá no vlog das lapiseiras, qual seria a melhor escolha entre a graph 1000 for pro ou staedtler 925 25/35 ?Em termos de pegada ,qualidade e etc ?Fico bastante grato pela ajuda !!!!
Não gosto do grip liso e emborrachado da Graph 1000, prefiro o grip serrilhado da 925 25/35, fora que relançaram a versão negra fosca dela, que é muito bonita por sinal.
Both are Judoka’s…that’s Koji Komuro..Kodokan Judo and the other Shinya Aoki also Kodokan Judo, originally Waseda Judo and Elementary School Judo champion. Both judokas who have compete in BJJ. This is nit BJJ v judo. Kosen representatives would be from one of the imperial schools or kosen (technical type college)
ah he set him up by holding his gee above his shoulder, he then shifted his weight so the dude in the white has his feet be hide him and squared him up at the same time, then with the hand holding the shoulder he was able to pivot into a flying arm bar and get it deep in because he was off balanced
No it's not I idiot he studied at the kodokan. Kosen judokas were in Kyoto schools which is nowhere near Tokyo. Mitsuyo maeda taught kodokan judo or (kano ju jutsu) when he went to Brazil. The only reason people think he taught them kosen judo is because they focused more on the ground than throws. Before maeda came to Brazil he traveled around the world as a prize fighter. He fought many different styles beating almost all of them. But he once lost one of his fights to a catch wrestler and after he lost he trained in catch wrestling to incorporate it into his judo. (Ground techniques) but what u forget is in the kodokan back then they did plenty of groundwork alot more tgan today it wasnt 90 percent throws 10 percent ground it was more like 70 to 30 so all he did was use the catch wrestling to polish up his judo newaza. The Gracies also wanted to prize fight vale tudo and wanted to have a perfect self defense art for the street and felt that ground techniques were more effective for stopping an opponent since 85 percent of fights end up on the ground. Learn ur history before u start making claims mitsuyo maeda wrote a book read it
@@aluisiofsjr Do you remember yourself that Shinya Aoki studied and also he is high degree in KOSEN JUDO Also , because in his Biography says that !!!!!!!! 💪🤙👌 😉😉😉😉😉
@@mariamamart8086 , Not anymore. Shinya Aoki studied only Judo (I'm not aware if he studied in the Imperial Universities). He is student of Yuki Nakai, who studied Kosen Judo, but Yuki Nakai is a BJJ fighter and his gym is Paraestra BJJ. He switched from Kosen Judo to BJJ after his fight with Rickson Gracie. Also Koji Komuro (the Kosen Judoka) studied BJJ with Yuki Nakai at Paraestra BJJ. In fact, all Kosen Judokas have to compete in BJJ because there is no newsa competition for them after the university. ;-)
@@aluisiofsjr in Kodokan Judo they can't use Ne - Waza because Jigoro Kano 's rules for stand Judo Game !!!!!!!! But the name of these 2 both Koji Kimura and Shinya Aoki are still included in the list of Kosen Judoka Fighters !!!!!!!!!!!
@@aluisiofsjr In Australia , Filippines , Japan and others Countries the Kosen Judokas are making great championsips nowadays of you want to underatand better just checks out the CURRENTLY VIDEOS 💪🤙👌 😉😉😉😉
What does that even mean really? When you think about it BJJ is a ruleset, Judo is a ruleset, WTF Taekwondo is a ruleset, ITF Taekwondo is a ruleset. I could carry on, but my point is all styles of fighting are affected by their ruleset, philosophy, and strategies.
@@Sto79Be In this context, it means that the title should be "Judo vs BJJ" imo, as Kosen Judo is not a separate style of Judo, it's still Judo, but with with a different competition/sparring ruleset. That's all I was referring to.
true, but when the ruleset differs, technique emphasis differs, and different „breeds“ of practitioners are developed. When a judoka says he practices „Kosen Judo“ (unlike unless he studies on some of the traditional japanese universities), you expect from him a strong newaza. At the end, BJJ also comes from judo with a different rule set emphasis. So I think to add the label „Kosen“ is totally valid to make a more accurate description.
Yes. The Oda school engaged in hikkikomi/pulling guard and taking the fight to the ground whereas Kano preferred throws into newaza. My understanding was that Kano was not into guard pulling and spending inordinate time on the ground.
"...and *with me formerly being a Judoka*, I can surely say that they share similar moves with Judo..."
-Yuki Nakai (Shinya Aoki's coach, Paraestra BJJ and Japanese BJJ President).
ua-cam.com/video/Scf5HZq1HE8/v-deo.html
Yuki Nakai was also from a Kosen team.
@@junon yeap. He was. Since his first fight against Royce Gracie he switched to BJJ. Now he is the president of IBJJF in Japan.
Two legends of the sport. Koji is a monster, Aoki is a bad, bad man. Catching Koji with a flying armbar is like shooting him with his own gun.
Reading the comments it would seem to be a misleading title if they both studied Kosen Judo and BJJ.
Hangisi judo ?
He is also a kosen guy, kosen judokas are specialist in flying arm bar
Wonderful. Congratulations to him.
青木がコムロックにメチャクチャ敬意を称してるの良い😢
Beautiful Judo technique. Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki was using it in the 1980's.
I mean Aoki literally did both sports.
Very respectful to each other. I love it. Pleasure to watch
Apart from the over-exuberant celebration.
If you allow flying armbar then you should allow body slamming.
I am always a believer that if you allow a technique in tournaments then automatically the counter for that technique should also be allowed
That flying arm bar daaaamn
So who won?
both of these guys are BJJ black belts and Kosen practitioners!!!
Bjj is kosen judo. Brazilians took it and rename it.
@@ezemeza1363 BJJ is not Kosen Judo. The Gracies were never taught by a Kosen instructor. They practiced traditional Kodokan Judo and over the years they modified it. Started to train without the gi, incorporated catch wrestling techniques, and around the 90s innovations of the guard started to be introduced. Stop it
@@wayne47able ok. That is the Gracie version. The real version is that bjj is just kosen judo withoy a kimono. That's the only revolution
@@ezemeza1363 No that’s not the Gracie version. The Gracie version is that they were taught by Maeda which was not true. They were taught by Jacintho Ferro who was a Black Belt under Maeda and then later taught Geo Omori who was a Kodokan Black belt. There is absolutely no link between the Gracies and Kosen, BJJ and Kosen were developed separately.
@@wayne47able , Aoki trains with Yuki Nakai at Paraedtra BJJ (the president of the Japanese *BJJ* confederation).
Koji Komuro also trained in Paraestra BJJ but he he represents the Kosen Judo.
Aoki is a high level talent.
@aluisiofsjr Hey uploader, I have two questions just for curiousity. How popular and widespread BJJ schools are in Japan? And what the Japanese side of Judo community thinks of BJJ?
偶然だよな〜本当は 柔道 is on another level
Where is the BJJ???🤔
In the blue gi! 😅
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Who’s who?
I don't now too bro lol
Good judo technique!
O jiu jitsu brasileiro e brabo demais nisso Ju jitsu brasileiro e muito bom ainda tem aparte do sem kimono que acho muito firme
That armbar took guts to take. No guts no glory!!
Don’t forget guys. Bjj , is actually jjj. Adapted by the Brazilian family. 🖖
no
@@sarahsouza8152 Yes. Gracie's family was taught by a Japanese Judoka. BJJ is just a Judo with focus on ground work
That's a good ref right there
Aluísio me tira uma dúvida sobre lapiseira, eu vi q vc comenta lá no vlog das lapiseiras, qual seria a melhor escolha entre a graph 1000 for pro ou staedtler 925 25/35 ?Em termos de pegada ,qualidade e etc ?Fico bastante grato pela ajuda !!!!
Não gosto do grip liso e emborrachado da Graph 1000, prefiro o grip serrilhado da 925 25/35, fora que relançaram a versão negra fosca dela, que é muito bonita por sinal.
@@aluisiofsjr Valeu irmão!!!!Humilde d+ tmj!!!!!!
@@aluisiofsjr Irmão aonde eu posso comprar as lapiseiras?Compro ultimante no aliexpress ...
Both are Judoka’s…that’s Koji Komuro..Kodokan Judo and the other Shinya Aoki also Kodokan Judo, originally Waseda Judo and Elementary School Judo champion. Both judokas who have compete in BJJ. This is nit BJJ v judo. Kosen representatives would be from one of the imperial schools or kosen (technical type college)
So what are you saying now is non of'em was kosen judo player.
So who won.
Caracas bela finalização
ah he set him up by holding his gee above his shoulder, he then shifted his weight so the dude in the white has his feet be hide him and squared him up at the same time, then with the hand holding the shoulder he was able to pivot into a flying arm bar and get it deep in because he was off balanced
BJJ guys always find a way to exploit the rules🔥
0:58 WOAH
Why dont he use Kani Bazami?
Jumping arm bar where you land on the back of your head? I don’t understand how that is considered a victory.
Nice win!
Which is kasen and which is bjj?
BJJ will always have multiple patches. lol. So the winner is BJJ.
Wtf just happened? Someone explain
WOW
Koji it's Kodokan not Kosen
The winner is shinya aoki !
Judoca ridículo sem ataque! Méritos ao jiujiteiro!!! 😌
Who is who?
Blue is Aoki
Aoki is a BB in judo but he never uses it.
whats ur point
@@Quidoute he never uses judo. That's the point genius
A flying armbar is a judo move.
Bjj=kosen judo. kosen judo was what Maeda taught the Gracie
No it's not I idiot he studied at the kodokan. Kosen judokas were in Kyoto schools which is nowhere near Tokyo. Mitsuyo maeda taught kodokan judo or (kano ju jutsu) when he went to Brazil. The only reason people think he taught them kosen judo is because they focused more on the ground than throws. Before maeda came to Brazil he traveled around the world as a prize fighter. He fought many different styles beating almost all of them. But he once lost one of his fights to a catch wrestler and after he lost he trained in catch wrestling to incorporate it into his judo. (Ground techniques) but what u forget is in the kodokan back then they did plenty of groundwork alot more tgan today it wasnt 90 percent throws 10 percent ground it was more like 70 to 30 so all he did was use the catch wrestling to polish up his judo newaza. The Gracies also wanted to prize fight vale tudo and wanted to have a perfect self defense art for the street and felt that ground techniques were more effective for stopping an opponent since 85 percent of fights end up on the ground. Learn ur history before u start making claims mitsuyo maeda wrote a book read it
WRONG !
Kosen Judo vs Kosen Judo/shoot wrestling
shinya started in judo though
No pho king way!
Caraca dó chave de braço voadora
Who won bjj or kosen judo
BJJ, Shinya Aoki.
@@aluisiofsjr
Do you remember yourself that Shinya Aoki studied and also he is high degree in
KOSEN JUDO
Also , because in his Biography says that !!!!!!!!
💪🤙👌
😉😉😉😉😉
@@mariamamart8086 ,
Not anymore.
Shinya Aoki studied only Judo (I'm not aware if he studied in the Imperial Universities). He is student of Yuki Nakai, who studied Kosen Judo, but Yuki Nakai is a BJJ fighter and his gym is Paraestra BJJ. He switched from Kosen Judo to BJJ after his fight with Rickson Gracie.
Also Koji Komuro (the Kosen Judoka) studied BJJ with Yuki Nakai at Paraestra BJJ. In fact, all Kosen Judokas have to compete in BJJ because there is no newsa competition for them after the university.
;-)
@@aluisiofsjr
in Kodokan Judo they can't use Ne - Waza because Jigoro Kano 's rules for stand Judo Game !!!!!!!!
But the name of these 2 both Koji Kimura and Shinya Aoki are still included in the list of Kosen Judoka Fighters !!!!!!!!!!!
@@aluisiofsjr
In Australia , Filippines , Japan and others Countries the Kosen Judokas are making great championsips nowadays of you want to underatand better just checks out the
CURRENTLY VIDEOS
💪🤙👌
😉😉😉😉
子供同士の試合だからな。
でもどびかん決めたのは凄いわ。
柔道技使うかと思ったわ。一応柔道の形はとってたから。でも、大会で柔道わざわざ無しじゃ勝ち上がれないと思うけどね。
青木が子供！？笑
Kosen Judo is a ruleset, not a style.
What does that even mean really? When you think about it BJJ is a ruleset, Judo is a ruleset, WTF Taekwondo is a ruleset, ITF Taekwondo is a ruleset. I could carry on, but my point is all styles of fighting are affected by their ruleset, philosophy, and strategies.
@@Sto79Be In this context, it means that the title should be "Judo vs BJJ" imo, as Kosen Judo is not a separate style of Judo, it's still Judo, but with with a different competition/sparring ruleset. That's all I was referring to.
true, but when the ruleset differs, technique emphasis differs, and different „breeds“ of practitioners are developed. When a judoka says he practices „Kosen Judo“ (unlike unless he studies on some of the traditional japanese universities), you expect from him a strong newaza.
At the end, BJJ also comes from judo with a different rule set emphasis. So I think to add the label „Kosen“ is totally valid to make a more accurate description.
Yes. The Oda school engaged in hikkikomi/pulling guard and taking the fight to the ground whereas Kano preferred throws into newaza. My understanding was that Kano was not into guard pulling and spending inordinate time on the ground.
Stop being silly
Nice
No that's a aoki shinya he is Japanese
@@user-dk1yy5gw9k , yes. He was Yuki Nakai’s student at that time.
Both 2 are
KOSEN JUDOKAS
Because in their both BIOGRAPHIES SAYAS THAT THEY STUDIED AND both are high degree in
KOSEN JUDO
👌🤙💪
😉😉😉😉
Shinya Aoki is a BJJ fighter from Paraestra BJJ.
@@aluisiofsjr lol Shinya was a judoka before becoming a bjj practitioner
@@chimp8350 , and??? What is your point? Also many BJJ world champions trained Judo some point in their life...
@@aluisiofsjr but Judo is more effective
@@aluisiofsjr
He is a Kosen Judoka too my friend !!!!!!!
Have you ever already read their 2 Biohraphies !?!?
🧐🤔🧐🤔
Cadê o bjj ??
Quem atleta judô quem jiu-jitsu !por confunde muito
Shinya Aoki é o atleta de Jiu-Jitsu que deu o arm-lock voador no lutador de Judo (Koji Komuro).
There is no such thing as Brazilian JJ.
@@horiturk333 🤣
Both are judokas 😄😄😄
Bjj é Judô
Eu treino os dois e não é judô apesar de ter a mesma origem
Oss
my problem of BJJ is all they want to do is crack chicken bones