Liar, lunatic or lord... or just mistaken... or writing in a completely different category and subsequent generations of readers are the ones who are mistaken.
@@rainbowkrampus i just recently found out that many of the stories in the bible are plagiarized from older stories from religions Christians would consider cults.
I can see that. From my perspective, being a former Christian, Dan is kinda converting me to something Christian-adjacent, but not monotheistic (as it was before Adonai's "coup"). Regardless, interesting things to know.
Pan is the Slavic word for Lord. Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes). In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance. The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam. Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism. It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world. In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra. El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia. It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus. The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu. The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.) Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea. The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC. _Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19. The name "Pharoah" means "Great House" or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic. "As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila. The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on. Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island. The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years. Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar" When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze. Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts.
I am a Christian. I have suffered much in my life and have always been able to turn to Christ as consolation and comfort. However, the notion that He is, as presented in the Bible, "beyond human invention", is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I write fantasy stories. I can dream up waaaay more powerful beings than the Jesus depicted in the New Testament.
I have heard that same argument mostly from Muslim apologists about the Quran: “it’s so perfectly written that only god could have inspired it”. Now I wonder who came up with it first and who is borrowing from the other faith.
Matthew 5:17-18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, *one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law,* till all things be accomplished. According to that verse the gospel writer believed in a perfect word for word accurate torah
But then you actually prove the points of scholars who say that Jesus is not Yhwh, that Jesus did not claim to be God or that the trinity is not orginal to Jesus faith, because that's all later human invention. Just like they show that the gospels were not even written by apostles or eyewitnesses of Jesus. So you are cherry picking what fits to you and what not.
Also, you’re almost certainly a far more moral person than Jesus commanded you to be, far more moral than he could have imagined. Remember, for Jesus, goodness is about obedience to God, even if God orders you to do something immoral, like running off in the middle of the night without warning anyone that Herod’s soldiers are coming for all the infant boys
@@JopJio That's not at all what the gospel writer intended by that verse. He's talking it still being necessary to keep the Torah Law, not about the text itself being perfectly preserved.
Thank you Dan! The world is desperately in need of this type of work. To see a man (as shown in the video you analyze) so convicted of things that are simply not true is a shocking example of how willfully blind we can be. And the historical record of what such blindness can wreck upon humanity is chilling.
Whether or not he believes what he says, the apologist preacher is not careful with his choice of words. He said there are hundreds of prophecies about Jesus, when he could have said there are hundreds of prophecies of the Messiah. Shorting that gap demonstrates his opinion of the critical thinking skills of his audience.
Oh so you’re just relying on every word that comes from dans mouth? Haha you do realize that Dan himself simply reads other humans views on these matters and states them in his videos right? But who’s to say those ppl are true? Dan isn’t right on everything, matter of fact he’s wrong on many things.
@@j.dieason7527 Who reads the scriptures in context and honest is good. the dishonest who call this one wrong but, bet you have no clue but about 20% of Scriptures old and new. You gave no evidence or anything except knock him . what are CHERRYPICKING Hipocrites
So it’s not true just because this guy says it’s not? You know theres other scholars and historians that disagree and refute this guy right? Just because a guy has a phd in one kind of subject doesn’t mean he is a authoritative figure on every subject of the book and theology.
@@thebugalito It’s not even an argument. He merely said it because he was fed up with the other dude’s arguments, it was meant to be comedic. I get it that most people nowadays have poor listening skills.
Wow, beautifully done. Apologists are so blithe in their lies and half-truths that I sometimes feel despair. However, you are the perfect foil. And, damn, I feel better. Thank you.
Dan says that every bit of philosophy uttered by Jesus in the Bible had an antecedent in ancient Jewish literature. I'd read a book about those antecedents!
Would that literaire have survived? Then the Bible could be unchanged too. Or does he mean the tanakh? But Jesus says that it testifies of him, so that would mean he has a point.
So you are one of the many that got sucked in to the trash of unlearned fake teachers, who don't know a thing about God and have nothing but negative trash to teach. At least your love for this trash proves that this crap is what you are truly after, because it helps you assuage your guilt for never making a true effort to know The Creator God, even after evo-illusion failed you & your ilk.
The preacher is John MacArthur from Grace Community Church in Southern California. He claims to believe the Bible is literally true. As a young man, I personally heard him preach from the Bible that love of money is the root of all evil and that a camel is more likely to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man is to enter the kingdom of God. I heard him preach from the Bible about Jesus throwing merchants out of the temple. MacArthur has an estimated personal net worth of fourteen to fifteen million dollars. He owns at least three homes. His family business is based upon his religious teachings and has an estimated value of one hundred and thirty million dollars. Grace Books is located on church grounds. It primarily sells Christian books with a smattering of other religious product. Many of these books were written by John MaCArthur. I won’t pretend to know the details of MacArthur’s publishing contract but standard publishing contracts provide the author with a small percentage of the profits from each sale of a book by that author. As a young, born again Christian, I did not notice a conflict between MacArthur’s stated beliefs and his actions. As an old atheist, they are glaring.
I recently started watching your videos after a few years of Bart Ehrman and other well studied people. Thank you for the work you're doing. Concise, perfectly presented information and counter evidence is much needed.
Literally was talking today with my dad who is big into John MacArthur and I've been trying the whole time to not just say "JMac doesn't actually know as much about the bible as he pretends to" and now have found this tonight, lol
@@user-cw3ox2nn5t Why is it hypocritical? Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. How is the commenter doing that? If you think that Christian doctrine gets more criticism you'd be right, but it's entirely sensible and proper. In the western world we are surrounded by Christians telling us we should believe what they believe. They try to get to our children to spread their ideas to them. In America, Christians try to get their morality legislated and many want an elevated status for Christian practisers. Your own comment is a good example. I see comments like that all the time quoting the Bible at me. I rarely get Muslims quoting their scriptures at me and it has never happened with Buddhists. We are surrounded by Christians telling us they are right and we non-believers are wrong. Are you honestly telling me we should respond to Muslims equally when they are not promoting their religion to us at the same level as Christians?
But they are dead and Jesus Christ rose and the change is because of the hope caused by the promise of eternal life which was made possible only by the resurrection, and his death and resurrection are prophesied about, also the writers and believers of the other expect an eternal king.
I am reminded of Barry Wilson's book "How Jesus became a Christian ". A very knowledgeable Orthodox Jewish friend said to me, in talking about vook, Paul was a great salesman.
Wouldn't trust it as long as could through it. they are way to dishonest and very noticably twist scriptures and void other things that might hurt the belief system.. from man made and not a true honest loving creator I all way's only hoped for. other christians told me never to believe School completing apologist. they are in school to learn to manipulate the scriptures. and evidence is hearing many of the debat's they tend giving evidence .
Also on the 500 eye witnesses thing, if the whole thing never happened _there would be no-one to contradict him._ He doesn't give a date or a place. Just that after he appeared to the twelve (none of whom are present) an unspecified 500 people, at an unspecified place, on an unspecified day were also all simultaneous witnesses to Jesus post-resurrection existence. Just logistically, how would you dispute such a non-specific claim? "I was there when he didn't show up and that didn't happen"? It's a claim that's insulated against any dissent.
@@user-cw3ox2nn5t 1. No they couldn't have "easily checked" his claims. You don't know where Corinth _is_ do you? It's nearly halfway across the Mediterranean away from where Paul was. Most communication between Christian communities at the time was essentially just rumour-trading, with single-person contact points travelling between any of them - many of those contact points were essentially given authority such that _almost anything_ they said was believed. Individual early Christian communities were close-knit, but that's not the same as _all of them collectively_ having easy means of verifying anything going on anywhere near them. 2. You claim that if Paul were lying it'd damage the credibility of the gospels, but then also say that the credibility of the gospels has nothing to do with human verification. Pick a lane. 3. John MacArthur seems to be equally as disingenuous as the claims he's attempting to defend and so I don't care what he emphasises. He has an agenda he's promoting, and that's in attempting to convince people that the Bible is univocal, inerrant and infallible (when it is very obviously none of those things). And that means he is not capable of critically analysing anything in it, because his default assumption is to automatically believe it and not critically assess its validity. Your comment has zero actual points of evidence to back up that a non-specific claim was somehow magically not non-specific, and instead you are using diversionary tactics to deflect attention from that simple fact. Go away please.
It also is hard to believe that no one would write. 'Oh the Jewish preacher guy came back from the dead.' I suppose it's possible someone did and we just haven't found it. But I doubt that the first century is pretty well documented especially compared to previous centuries.
@@svandergaast1 This has always been odd with how in Matthew, it mentions that graves opened up and many “dead” saints went into Jerusalem and talked with a lot of people. It really seems like this would be a widely documented event. In an area where we can find daily weather reports from the time period, somehow this didn’t make the news?!
Zah - Date or place? The subject is lightly touched on, and all of what you mention exists, but there is a thing called "discoveries based on research of ancient manuscripts". You sound like just another non-believer who refuses to believe anything that is not demonstrated before his/her own eyes. Brilliant choice, eh? .
*Number of Stars* ⭐️ The first guess in the age of science was that the stars were infinite in number. The first numbered guess may have been William Herschel’s : 20,000 million. As far as I can see (no pun intended), no scientist ever estimated only 1,000 stars. 1,023 makes no sense as an estimate. 10^23 does make sense and Dan was very clever in coming up with this explanation for the nonsense claim. 👍
that's some real Sherlock Holmes deduction there. Sorry - that's sounds sort of sarcastic as I read it back - but yeah, you're right, it was a good bit of logical reasoning there from Dan.
Funnily enough I just watched that video you critiqued and switched it off half way thinking "what a load of rubbish". Then watched this video and here it was, a beautiful explanation that I could not arrive at as to what was wrong with that other video. Thank you!
500 witnesses along with other eyewitness accounts is evidence. Those accounts are bolstered with other forms of evidence. There is plenty of evidence. The weight of the evidence then comes to probability.
Just ran across your videos today and need to say how much I love them. I am an ex-evangelical, my father was a Church of Christ preacher. I am deconstructing & your videos are enlightening me to the truth, something that I was never presented, just went along never questioning for a lot of my life. The things you have presented in this video can not be ignored, I would also like to add that your video on homosexuality was very much appreciated, People are always going to take scripture & twist it to harm others when they are trying to serve their own desires, they don't look at the context or even the translation, they just run with the hate & use it to weaponize others. You are doing a good job, I appreciate the videos.
Thank you Dan for all the information you share on your channel. Your statement that “the best explanation is a conviction of the resurrection of Jesus” rings incredibly true to me. As someone who was who was involved with the Catholic Church (including as a diocesan seminarian for 3.5 years) but internally conflicted about reconciling the professed beliefs with my experiences, your statement encapsulates the intellectual and emotional conclusion that I reached - I believed that THEY believed, but ultimately that wasn’t enough for ME to believe.
Christian fundamentalists be like "When preachers just make $#lt up, that itself is an act of creation. Creation is a divine act. Therefor the stuff we make up is divine. Therefore it's true. TaKe tHaT, athEtiTs1"
Excellent Dan. The problem is all these evangelicals and fundamentalists don't actually HAVE any Faith outside of The Bible. It is The Bible they worship, not Christ, and in any event Christ can't exist for them unless The Bible is 100 percent accurate and reliable ( well, reliable to say the things they want it to say). They are simply unable to accept that, along with some genuine truth and wisdom, The Bible has numerous contradictions, and some very nasty, antiquated views which today most people acknowlege are wrong (and in some cases even evil). And that's because it was written by men, NOT God, and men, above all else, are fallible.
Yes, but you on the other hand take the fundamentals of your faith out of the NT. Mainstream scholars have shown that Jesus did not claim to be God based on the earliest words attributed to him. He also had a different view on salvation and referred to the law when asked how to get eternal life.
@@germanboy14 I don't disagree with you. My point is that it is all a matter of Faith, and the 'Faith" of these apologists is unable to escape a rigid belief in a book written by fallible Human men.
Exactly. As I sometimes paraphrase the opening verses of the Gospel of St. John: "In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God. The Bible was in the beginning with God, through the Bible all things were made. And the Bible was made print and dwelt among us..." And to quote the New Testament directly: "Woe to you scribes and pharisees, you hypocrites! For you follow the letter of law but not the spirit of it!"
@@Dalekzilla so you say that the book is not reliable but at the same time you base your faith on stuff written in the same book. Doesn't sound logical to me, because you don't know that what you believe in is right or wrong. That's basically cherry picking.
@@germanboy14 Just because parts of The Bible are contradictory or wrong, or endorse things we no longer accept as morally correct, that doesn't mean that there is not some truth and wisdom in it. I'm specifically talking about Christ's message of Social Justice, the call to care for the poor, the sick, and the marginalized...or the Greatest Commandment, which tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves. What precisely is it that you have a problem with? Blind adherence to an "infallible" Bible (which I can respect, because I don't believe in that myself), or just anyone having a belief in Christ? Sounds to me like you are more than a tad intolerant yourself.
From watching your videos etc I reached the conclusion that "The bible that was written by men through the eyes their own worldview of their experience of god's interaction with them. Then it was translated by other men through their worldview before being interpreted by other people through their own worldview."
Some other commenters have pointed this out already, but it's worth bringing up again that Dan apparently misunderstood the point of the "1023" stars reference. This is approximately the number of stars in Ptolemy's Almagest (2nd century CE), which is apparently being used as a source for how many stars "scientists had counted" at that time, and Ptolemy's count is presumably the approximate number of stars that are visible to the naked eye from that part of the world (not from the whole planet). The point of the claim is that modern science has revealed that the number of stars is indeed beyond counting, apparently confirming Jeremiah's "stars cannot be counted" statement and in defiance of the "scientific" knowledge of the day. But it took a lot of careful work back then to be able to "count the stars" at all (indeed, I think Ptolemy's work was written about 750 years after the verse in Jeremiah), and if a casual observer looks at the sky on a clear night in a dark location, the number of stars sure looks like it is beyond counting. As someone in the comments suggested, that is probably what Jeremiah meant.
1023 seems like a weird number. On the face of it, it would seem to be vastly too small for what they really thought. I say this because I can drive 50 miles outside of the city on a clear night and observe directly that there are vastly more than 1023 stars visible in the night sky.
Or there is a 3rd option which is that Jeremiah was not a scientist, had never heard of Aristotle, looked up at the night sky and was certain that there were more of them than the largest sheep herd he'd ever seen. One could also say that the grains of sand cannot be counted, and call that a prophecy. And then those who doubt science would say "build me a machine that can count sand."
Ayyy.🤦♂️ The essential problem with the accounts is that the gospel of Mark is that its true only if you consider Harry Potter or The Golden Ass to also be true. What is the claim to truth. The Jesus story is fantastic and unique therefore it must be true. The first flag here is story. Is any story true? But there's a problem here, dry factual accounts of events are seldomly that popular, and its the way the Authors dress up their story that make it literature. So lets look at Mark Anti-Jewish (more so anti-disciple) - polemic against the Jewish Jesus followers. These are the people who knew the Jesus story the best. Thats a second red flag. Major deviation from earlier accounts - According to Paul Jesus was buried, not entombed. Paul was a Jew, and he met both Peter and James, also Jewish. The the Q source in matt and luke have similar stories than Mark, but the Markan gospel twists these stories. In the epistle of Yacov maintain jewish piety was important to establish ones stamina with the faith. The passion narrative has major errors in it concerning what is permissible by Jewish customs. Conclusion. The gospel of Mark is polemic literature, not a historical account. Matthew is largely based on Mark with added Q elements, but it also uses the flawed passion narrative of Mark and embellishes it. The birth narrative in Matt was rejected by Jewish christians. The sermon on the mount was contrived. Luke assembles the text from a number of sources, this text also has a birth narrative with two elements added from the second century, the narrative contradicts matthews. While Luke uses a more literal extraction of the Q source, the text expands upon Mark's and Matthews narrative, plus Luke adds another source that flows into acts. While luke is the most source dependent text, given its from the first half of the second century it rather out of touch with the Jewish Jesus movement. So what are the Gospels, greek biographies, not atypical of other biographies which dress up the hero and introduce credentials of divinty. What is the truth in the bible. One has to actually study alot of literature from the period to establish what can be attested. The bottom line is not much can be attested. Major points: 1. Jesus was Jewish and was likely born and raised in the tetrarch of galilee at the time of Herod Antipas. 2. Jesus travel around galilee until the herodians made it too dangerous for him to stay there. 3. An apocalyptic mystical teacher. 4. Executed after being seized by loyalist to the herodians. 5. Was the object of visual experiences.
01:18 Another explanation is that the event never happened and thus the author of 1 Corinthians was free to pick whatever number of eyewitnesses that they fancied.
Thank you Dr. Dan Can we just admit already that Christianity/Bible is unmistakable mythology…. It would do us some good. John MacArthur making weak false claims for someone of his stature is appalling. Now imagine YT apologists or normal church members making these same claims and thinking they are right. SMH Wow, it is the blind leading the blind in Christianity at times. Thankfully we have critical scholarship filled with people who will be intellectually honest.
5:45 1023 is the number of stars with entries in Ptolemy's Almagest (discounting nebulae and a few duplicated entries in the mss.). I think what the speaker means might be "Greek scientists thought there were only 1023 stars but the Bible says there is a vast number. We now know there are a vast number so this is proof the Bible is true." Of course, the Almagest only lists stars that can be seen with the naked eye from Alexandria and is perfectly correct for that. Also one suspects the author of Jeremiah might not have been able to count above 1000.
@@juanausensi499 Still, that would be really hard to count, especially since they move. Granted, they move quite slowly, but it'd be a lot of work all the same. And just because a verse says "uncountable" it might not mean actually impossible to count, just "a very large number, so much so that you can't immediately identify how many," which certainly any observer of the night sky in any age would agree with (unless they're a computer with visual recognition algorithms specifically for identifying stars, I guess).
@@Uryvichk It's a hard task, but several ancient civilizations managed to do just that. The fact the stars form identifiable asterisms (constellations) make the task a little easier (you can check if you already catalogued all the stars near the big 'W', for example) But a rough number is pretty easy to establish: just take a portion of the sky, count the stars in it, and then extrapolate for the whole sky. That's something everyone can do, today and 4000 years ago. I agree 'uncountable' just means 'many', in that specific text.
There are some people who don't know much mathematics, who do their research online, reading web pages that are cut and paste copies of what someone else wrote, or emails or printouts of that. When you copy the number 10²³ (which stands for 10 with 23 zeros after, 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 100 sextillion, 100 billion triillion) in a simple ASCII text editor, it can lose the formatting, so it can turn into 1023. So, the guy in the video clip says, at 5:42, "The Bible says the stars can't be numbered, in a day when scientists have counted a thousand and 23 of them." The latest estimate is 200 billion trillion. That would appear in exponential notation as 2×10²³, if you don't lose the formatting. You're dealing with listening to someone who has a memory like a steel trap, for his mathematically illiterate reading of copypasta.
@@SonnyMoonie Yes, realizing this was how most literalist fundamentalists do their research was what finally broke me out of that mindset. I got some good training on research skills and critical thinking relatively early on, and at the same time I heard all of these people I trusted saying with absolute conviction that evolution goes against the second law of thermodynamics, secular historians just believe Daniel was written after the prophecies it makes because they presuppose that actual prophecy is impossible, people go to our church because it has best and most clearly true interpretation of the Bible compared to everyone else. I just kind of assumed that because I wouldn't say something with such absolute certainty unless I had very good reasons that I could articulate myself to demonstrate these things were true, these people must really understand these things better than I did and know what was going on. The arguments against evolution were the first to crumble, as I realized these people were ludicrously misinformed about even the most basic ideas about evolution. But that wasn't their field of expertise, so I generally just tried to correct people on the details they got wrong and assumed there was some other explanation for why YEC was actually true I was just missing. I figured on the Bible at least these people had studied for decades, so clearly they knew exactly what all the different interpretations for the Bible there were and could give excellent reasons why ours was the best. But when I finally lost enough trust with all the other things they got wrong, I started putting in the work to really figure out what the foundation of these most true beliefs about Biblical interpretation. Then found out it was all based on presupposition they must be right; flagrant misreadings of Biblical texts where needed to make their interpretation fit; metaphorical, spiritual, or allegorical interpretations of verses that went against their beliefs and strict literalism where they agreed; stupendously implausible harmonizations that they claimed completely eliminated contradictions; and many other problems that made the claim that they were obviously right transparently false. On the plus side, I've finally learned my lesson than many people are perfectly happy to just look up an argument for why they are right and then repeat it as though they are completely certain they know the truth, so I need to get back as close to the actual source as feasible given my level of understanding and evaluate it for myself.
As an anthropologist/archaeologist, I agree with your statement that the backdrop of history in the archaeological record is "generally" accurate, but there is no way to prove specifics. It would be a logical fallacy to claim otherwise.
Please take a moment to read the gospel of Thomas, the sayings of the Christ. The first time I read it I was seeking wisdom. I was left completely empty on the inside as no wisdom was to be found in the sayings.
Do scholars think the Thomas sayings actually belong to Jesus? My understanding is that specialists like Bart Ehrman deny the authenticity of the sayings.
@@AurorXZ That's an excellent question. Please keep in mind that many of the sayings in Thomas are also found in the Synoptic Gospels. Its value lies in its format, only sayings, no narrative (as far as I can recollect). This format makes the Gospel of Thomas ideal reading material for me (just the facts ma'am). The end result is the same, if any of Jesus's sayings are his own and not simply attributed to him, no wisdom is to be found.
Dan thank you so much for bringing your expertise into the mix because it let's me know I'm not insane when I'm talking to believers in the Bible and they have nothing but conjecture and emotion to draw from but simple logic outweighs that far and wide so thank you!
As a believing Christian, I find that apologist/fundamentalist appeals to “facts” and “evidence” to bolster their claims (which are also nakedly obvious efforts to reinforce their own authority) end up destroying faith over the long run. It is not an unreasonable belief for a Christian to hold to the resurrection, or a Muslim to hold to the prophetic inspiration of Mohamed, or for a Hindu to maintain that Krishna really accompanied Arjuna on his chariot on the Kurukshetra. However none of these beliefs are historically falsifiable and therefore cannot be proven. The reason for believing any or all (or even none) of these happened is not based in fact. There are deeper psychological, sociological, and spiritual factors that shape and inform these beliefs. Knowing this as a believer is liberating because I don’t feel the need to prove my faith over and against other worldviews or to try to use my beliefs to leverage power over others. But, the power games that various fundamentalisms play is too central to their operational DNA for them not to seek to leverage plausible but unverifiable historical claims into established fact.
As a former fundamentalist now atheist I would entirely agree with your assessment. I wouldn't mind being a universalist Christian mainly holding to the love of God and the good teachings of Christ. But as of now at least I can't really hack believing that is the case now seeing what abuse of the Bible into totally different and damaging ideologies such a deity would have to allow, and even seemingly have made those interpretations extremely viable and likely to occur, among other problems. I do, however, appreciate those Christians that hold to their beliefs while acknowledging it is reasonable for others to believe differently. Thanks for making the world a better place for us to be understand and respect each other, regardless of differing beliefs!
@@matthewnitz8367 Thanks! I am a Christian Universalist and probably couldn’t remain in the faith if I didn’t also believe that God is infinitely loving and will ultimately bring about the highest good for all beings. There’s so much in the Christian tradition that grieves me, to the point where it’s definitely hard to call myself a Christian most days. And, yeah, seeing as I cannot prove what I believe, it would be supremely hypocritical for me to pass judgment on what others do or don’t believe. The only caveat is that I do think that any system of belief that is leveraged in the name of power to harm others is justifiably up for criticism and even scorn. There’s definitely a lot in Christianity historically and all the way into the present that deserves scrutiny and even scorn. Hopefully it’ll shame us Christians into actuality growing and learning to live out our beliefs in a way that benefits others instead of either annoying or outright harming them.
And why would the Bhagavad Gita suggest that the mighty Pandava warrior Arjuna might consider refusing to fight, a shameful act for one of his caste and royal status, but for the intervention of Lord Krishna, unless all of that really did happen? That's too embarrassing to make up, so it must be true!
The presentation of most of Hindu scripture is beyond human invention... until you try mushrooms. Then it becomes quite clear that a huge chunk of early religious writings are the interpretations of psilocybin-induced trips, and a lot of things suddenly make sense in that context.
@@Uryvichk so the writers of the BG knew how to add some depth and narrative complexity to a character, unlike the writers of the Bible, who made JC the biggest Mary Sue of all time.
@@geraintwd I wouldn’t say “quite clear”. I’ve done psychedelics and I get watchu mean but I wouldn’t say it’s certain that that’s what led to the Hindu traditions
Well done. I saw the video and thought you were in support of the validity of the bible. I was looking forward to a good belly laugh and to respond to the takes I expected. But I was not disappointed by the video. Well done.
Thank you for your video (as always). Here is another valid question : The biblical god Yahweh is supposed to have created the universe, the earth and the humans. We humans exist since 300k years and we have thousands of religious human testimonies from 100k - 6k years ago from hunting gods, fertility gods, venus gods, pantheons of hundreds of gods, etc but not a single testimony of a "one and only god" yahwe or Adam and Eve. How come that this god, that is supposed to have created us at the beginning, is first mentioned only 3500-5000 years ago?
@@AurorXZ So you want to say that Yahweh created the first humans, then he ignored them for 295k years and from 5000 years on he started his "progressive divine revelation"? A god that, according to the bible, sends everybody to hell that doesn't worship him? Scientists calculated that before Jesus lived around the same amount of humans than after him. So is god evil? What theologists from 3500 years ago till today can do is reinterprete the past retroactively in favor of their religion. But besides the fact that other religions where pretty active 100k -6k years ago, there is nothing from Yahweh: Archaeologists are digging out now for example a human settlement with a pagan temple dated on 12,000 years of age with a fertility cult room full of stone penises in Turkey. In south Europe they found cave paintings with shamanistic hunting gods scenes dated on 60,000 years of age, they found all over Europe artefacts of Venus gods dated on 40,000 years of age, and of course the oldest scripts of complete pantheons of gods 10,000-8,000 years of age. Oldest homo sapiens skeleton found in Morocco is dated on 300k years. We found millions of artifacts with many different religious believes and they are still finding a lot more now, in the next decades we will know much more. But they do not find a single testimony of a one and only god Yahweh or Adam and Eve older than the bible (3500 years). It’s getting even worst: the homo neanderthalensis is even older than us and was also religious (he put his dead people in graves together with grave goods for afterlife). Is homo neanderthalensis also considered by god? How about homo heidelbergensis? Or homo erectus? Did god create Adam and Eve as homo heidelnergensis in his image and then we humans evolved to homo sapiens and now we have a more advanced image than god?
@user-vm5yk2js6w Yahweh is a made-up god just like all of the other gods, and according to scholars, he was once a junior member of the Canaanite pantheon and son of the Canaanite high god El and El is clearly fictional. "The mysterious Ugaritic text Shachar and Shalim tells how (perhaps near the beginning of all things) *El* came to shores of the sea and saw two women who bobbed up and down. *El* was sexually aroused and took the two with him, killed a bird by throwing a staff at it, and roasted it over a fire. He asked the women to tell him when the bird was fully cooked, and to then address him either as husband or as father, for he would thenceforward behave to them as they called him. They saluted him as husband. He then lay with them, and they gave birth to Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk"). Again *El* lay with his wives and the wives gave birth to "the gracious gods", "cleavers of the sea", "children of the sea". The names of these wives are not explicitly provided, but some confusing rubrics at the beginning of the account mention the goddess *Athirat (Asherah),* who is otherwise *El's* chief wife, and the goddess Raḥmayyu ("the one of the womb"), otherwise unknown."
If it's true, then it's awfully embarrassing for Jesus as a personnel manager. Remember, after his resurrection, he stuck around for six weeks, loafing about with his pals, but then he departed without selecting a replacement for the deceased Judas, leaving his followers to _pray_ to him in absentia and _cast lots_ (gambling!) to determine his will. Incompetence at the management level if it's true
To be fair his dad was a rather incompetent tri-omni creator who kept getting surprised by how his badly thought-out plans kept failing so maybe it's a family trait?
There's no need to replace Judas Iscariot. When Jesus comes the second time, he will bring Judas with him and Judas will sit on one of the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. This promise was made to the 12 disciples when Judas was with them and Jesus. If Judas is lost forever, then Jesus had lied to the disciples when he promised that they would be sitting on the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
The proof that the Bible is real is that it transformed my life, I had a powerful conversion similar to Saul of Tarsus. Furthermore I was a missionary and saw the power of God in demonstration through signs and wonders just like in the Book of Acts 👍
I love this place so much. Dan, you’re the best for sharing all of this with us. Person who writes fantasy and could invent more fantastical things than Jesus in the New Testament, best response I’ve read all week. The. Best.
Dr. McClellan, I discovered your channel a few days ago, love your expertise, and would love to see a discussion on this topic between yourself, and Michael Brown (Jewish-Christian apologist on UA-cam and expert in biblical Hebrew), and William Lane Craig (fundamentalist Christian apologist).
this is why the Book of Mormon is so important. in my opinion, is the best evidence we have to prove Christ is who the Bible says he is, the Messiah. Watching these videos makes me realize how much i DON'T know, so much learning to do... SO MUCH LOL.
Home boy forgot that Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, hell the entire classical Greek era - never mind Confucius - ever existed. Pretty impressive, not gonna lie.
What must be done is for those nonbelievers to prove the Bible FALSE - after first learning how to properly interpret it. But what's needed to prove it's true? Historical evidence proves Jesus existed, but it's quite a different thing whether or not you believe the content of his gospel, and his teachings, the most basic of which is ... "Love one another as I have loved you" are genuinely true. Dumbing down the basics is actually a great thing to do, so as to never deliberately complicate things.
Thank you Mr. McClellan ! Loved your video like always……. I was a catholic, and many years ago after reading the bible new and old, I became an Atheist, I even got myself officially and on paper de-baptized, with a letter saying I am not a member of the Catholic ( cult ) Church any longer ! 🎉🎉 Have a nice day and keep the videos coming.
Been a Christian my whole life and was never a biblical literalist. I feel the need to take it absolutely literally implies a lack of imagination and understanding. Metaphor can be just as powerful as literal truth, if not in some cases more powerful.
The problem with this is that you have to though. Otherwise, what do you have? What do you take literally, what do you not? By what measure do you make those decisions?
@steaminghottake6221 there's plenty of Christians who don't believe, say, the world and everything was created in six days, and recognize the flood was a common myth in many religions.
It is in the loosest sense of the word in that a person telling the truth about what they are writing being true would 100% of the time write that. Of course, 99.9999% of the time a liar trying to achieve the same thing would also do so, or someone mistakenly believing they were telling the truth. So extremely weak evidence, but TECHNICALLY they are correct it is evidence.
Personally I'm fond of the notion that what Paul really wrote was that Jesus appeared "during the pentecost to the brethren" and that what we have in the "500" is just a corruption of the text. Most likely by amateur scribes but possibly as a result of the changing rhetorical goals of some later Jesus follower group. Acts' pentecost event could be pointing to this earlier, non-corrupt version of Paul's letters. Though as with most of these things, there's no way to know since so much has been lost or destroyed. That aside, this apologetic about how singular and unique Jesus is supposed to have been is depressing af. It just demonstrates how small the apologists literary and historical world is. One wonders if they've only ever read the one book. So much information at your fingertips. More than at all the points in ancient history combined. Yet so many people are stuck building their entire imagination off of one dubious iron collection of texts.
1 corinthians 15 also contradicts the gospels. In John for example it was Mary who saw Jesus allegedly first and in Matthew alledgly multiple women first. But Paul says it was Kephas/Peter. Moreover: no passage in the hebrew Scriptures says this: 1 cor 15 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures He could only had access to hebrew scripture ("Ot") because the Greek canon did not yet exist And scholars like Dr. Tabor make the point, that Paul did not believe in a physical resurrection of Jesus and if i am not wrong, he also doesnt even mention an empty tomb 1 Corinthians 15:52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
You are correct that no empty tomb is mentioned by Paul. That blew me away the first time I heard it and I had to spend a couple hours looking up different resurrection verses in Paul to verify before I realized that was indeed the case.
Not mentioning specifics such as empty tomb or that multiple woman saw him first when Mary could've been among them is not a contradiction. It's just how the one telling it remembers it. For example if I was to be at an event with you and some friends gave an account of being at the event but one mentions you but the other doesn't mention you does it make it not true that you were there.
Dan, that's John MacArthur, very famous in Evangelical circles, and (in my opinion) one of the most damaging preachers still alive today. He spews hatred in a very "loving" way toward any group he thinks is living in sin (i.e., lgbtq+). Love your response video.
I grew up admiring him and still have his entire commentary series. He was (and is) huge, but remains disastrously destructive. Looking back at his work as a now-happily gay dude (and son of a domestically abused mother told to just "love her husband to Christ"), it's striking just how much damage his theology can inflict. Vile.
As far as the shape of the Earth, what they believed depends on who wrote that passage of the Bible. The earlier stories were probably written by people who believed that the Earth was flat. But later stories, particularly if they were written by scholars, probably knew the Earth was round.
Choice. It’s his choice. Just like you ‘choose’ to believe and do whatever it is you do, despite, in all likelihood, some sort of ‘evidence’ that someone may ‘provide’ that your way of thinking or believing is wrong.
You’d have to point to things outside the Bible, in observable reality, that specifically corroborate its claims to the exclusion of other explanations. Novel, testable predictions would be great, too.
I have to admit that I absolutely can't stand the mysoginistic homophobe featured in this video and this roasting made me really quite happy. Am I a bad person?
Here are some the prophecies I believe MacArthur might be referring to: The time of His birth (Daniel 8 and 9), He would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (Zech. 11:12), He would be mocked (Ps 22:7,8), He would be pierced (Ps 22:16), He would die with the wicked but buried with the rich ((Is. 53:9) pretty much all of Isaiah 53.
@lindajones7471 These aren't "prophecies", these are passages from scripture lining up with passages from later scripture. If any one of these verses said, "this is something that will happen to the messiah", and a later unbiased source unfamiliar with that scripture documented that it had, in fact, actually happened to Jesus, that could be argued to be a fulfillment of prophecy. When you have a number of people who weren't present for the events of Jesus's life, who all have access to the Hebrew scriptures and are motivated to find connections to strengthen their belief that Jesus was the messiah, and these are the ONLY people writing about the events of Jesus's life, it would be more surprising if there weren't any correlations. The fact that the correlations are so weak is the really interesting part.
The preacher/defender of faith in the vid is compelling by his demeanor separate from his 'facts'. Charisma substituting for something more substantial is enough for so many of us. It's our nature and our weakness? Thanks again, Dan.
The problem with people who want to prove the bible. They start from the assumption the bible is true and then interpret the bible based on that conviction. An intellectually honest approach is to make no such assumption and then review all evidence that support the statements in the bible but are not themselves derived from the bible.
Hello Dan my name is Russell I started watching your videos today because of the first ones that I saw and I'm wondering if you have an introductory video that tells who you are and a little bit of your background I am going to look at your site to see if you have any such thing I do have a question for you Dan how much do you personally know the devil and his angels or do you not
Would love to know what Dan’s religious views are. I’ve heard him say he isn’t an atheist but not sure what his views exactly are. His work has been incredibly helpful to me & the way he presents is excellent. Thanks Dan!
I'm curious as to your thoughts that what Paul talking about here is a vision or experience rather then a physical event. Mainly off of the fact that paul goes in order of the apostles, then the five hundred, then himself. Seeing as paul never once indicates that he saw Jesus. This being a claimed vision that was seen fits better then an actual resurrection of a physical body.
The Bible describes a flat Earth with a solid dome covering it. This was the standard cosmology of the ancient Near East. Look up the below from a Biblical scholar: *"Genesis 1:9-10 - God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth!"* - Dr Steven DiMattei Also, watch Professor Christine Hayes lecture 3 from 34:10.
The latest grift on the internet is trying to say that Jesus was Melchizedek. Never did Jesus say he was, but he did say I am a priest of the order of Melchizedek and so did Abraham said he was a priest of the order of Melchizedek him who never dies. And now the Christians are trying to go back and say oh this proves that Jesus was Melchizedek. Smh
It's hard to respond to these type of crazy claims with "relative" non-judgment to the person. I appreciate the simplicity of his approach to correcting the false narrative. A lot of times, I don't think it's necessary to criticize the reasons why people believe crazy claims. Those who want to understand what is true can sort that part through for themselves.
I am a Christian and I don't like the idea of trying to prove God's existence. The way each person gets to believe in God is personal and can't be transferred to another person. The bible is clear that in order to get close to God, one must believe that He exists (Hebrews 11:6). When I see apologists in action trying to prove God's existence I get kinda sad, because fornthe most part they end up driving people away. If God wants you to believe, He will move a mountain to make you believe.
But what if he doesn't want you to believe? Were you just cursed at birth to go to hell? Like all those billions of peoples who lived in the Americas and had no contact with anyone who could tell them stories? All just doomed? Some justice, there. I'm less impressed with mountain moving than I am with justice.
I think it's really interesting that a lot of people take an either or approach to the Bible. It doesn't have to all be true or false. Especially when you consider how much the Bible relies on metaphorical language.
About the 1023 stars: The Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe listed the position of around 1000 stars that were bright enough to be measured with naked eye instruments. It may well have been 1023 stars.
I want to believe, I really want to but the Church, bishops, priests, theologians and lay apologists constantly and almost solely arguing on the grounds of logical fallacies is stopping me from becoming a full fletched believer.
You'd think he'd really be talking to people, constantly. But he wasn't always omnipresent. He lived in a tent for a while. Its Old Testament, Moses era. That covers a few books but I can't place it offhand. Just a funny reference. Nobody could look at his face because he was terrible to behold and they would die instantly if they saw him. So he lived in a kind of sub-tent within the priest tent. You know, to protect everyone in case anyone accidentally saw him or something.
@@havableI mean if he’s omnipresent. It wouldn’t be a problem talking to everyone lol. In addition, he talked to Moses, Adam, eve, Joseph, and they all did it die. He could do the same for all, but a fictional character can’t do that
I'm curious about something. And I've been wondering about this since before I deconverted. Have any scholars purposed the idea that Paul might have been the first to claim to have seen the resurrected Jesus? Since he is the only first person account of having seen him. Maybe the Jerusalem church heard about his claim and was like no, we totally saw him first!
The number of named stars is 451. The number of visible stars is somewhere in the 2500-5000 range. I could not discover any basis for the claim of 1023 stars. As you stated the number of stars in the Universe is greater than 10^23.
Hearing highly respected Christians give the worst arguments you've ever heard is what started my path to deconversion.
Liar, lunatic or lord... or just mistaken... or writing in a completely different category and subsequent generations of readers are the ones who are mistaken.
@@rainbowkrampus i just recently found out that many of the stories in the bible are plagiarized from older stories from religions Christians would consider cults.
I can see that. From my perspective, being a former Christian, Dan is kinda converting me to something Christian-adjacent, but not monotheistic (as it was before Adonai's "coup"). Regardless, interesting things to know.
I think it functions a bit like the bad spelling and other obvious red-flags in scam emails... weed out the folks who aren't easy marks
Pan is the Slavic word for Lord.
Pythagoras means Heart of the Serpent, he was born in Sidon, a fishing Port in Phoenicia. His mother recieved a message from the Oracle of Delphi that he would become a great Leader and Teacher. Sidon means Kingdom of the Fish, and the Essenes, who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls, worshipped Pythagoras. The Sarcophagus of Eschmun III found in Sidon names him as the Widow's Scion, aka Hiram Abiff, the Founder of Freemasonry, of which Tyre was the premier Capital (at least equal to Thebes).
In 911BC Rameses II married the Queen of Sidon, home of Jezebel (Daughter or consort of Baal, basically "Queen") founding Neo Assyrian Babylon, an alliance between Egypt and Hiram, father of Jezebel and King of Assyria, and Egypt, forming the Phoenician colonies and building the first Temple of Melqart to commemorate the alliance.
The Si in Sidon is the basis of the Latin Exe, or X, and is the basis of the Cross, or Chi Rho that Constantine painted on his shields. Also known as the Cross of Tyre, or Cross of Baal, being Ra-El, or Ba'El. Oddly enough irrational numbers can also be mapped using Euler's number, producing a Templar Cross in the process. This cross can also be seen around the neck of Nimrod in Assyria, and is consistent with the Union Jack, and Solstice Calendar found in the Vatican Shiva Lingam.
Shiva is the Hebrew word for 7, their culture also found its way to Japan (via the Phillipines) ultimately becoming Shintoism.
It was the Phoenicians who gave their name to the Pole Star, which they used to Navigate the Oceans using the Zodiac, thats what the Antikythera mechanism was for, and with it they wrote the Byblos Baal, what we now call the Bible. The first form of the Bible was written in 325BC and called the Vaticanus Greacus, or Son of the Sacred Serpent, a reference to Sirius, the basis of the Sothic Calendar, which uses a Hexidecimal or base 60 system found in all the Megalithic sites around the world.
In the second century AD astronomer Valentinus Vettori transcribed it into a Lunar chart of 13 houses, what we now call the Zodiac. Horoscope means Star Watcher, and the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, was Israel or El, (Fruit) of Isis and Ra.
El is the primary God of the Phoenicians, representing the offspring of Egypt, and his consort Astarte represents the Assyrian half of the alliance. It may be possible to trace lineages and alliances through the naming of gods, which can be traced all the way to Ireland and the Vikings, and to Indonesia and the Americas, even as far away as New Zealand and Australia.
It denotes Sirius as Son of Orion and Pleaides, which sits at 33 degrees of the Zodiac. The basis of the Sothic (dir Seth) Calendar of the Egyptians. The New Moon in this position marks Rosh Hashanah, the Egyptian, Celtic, Phoenician, and Assyrian New Year, the first New Moon of September, which is called September because it's the 7th House of the Zodiac, when the Sun is in Ophiuchus.
The Phoenix, Benben, or Bennu is the Egyptian word for Heron, a Feathered 'Serpent'. It baptised itself in frankincense and myrrh at BaalBek, and then alights atop the Pyramid, upon the Holy Grail, or Alter of Ra every 630 years to take three days off the calendar during the course of the first New Moon of Nisan, which means "Prince". The Capstone of Pyramids is even called the Benben or Bennu.
The Phoenix is found in all religions, which are all Astrological Allegory for the Moon travelling through the Constellations, as a soul migrating from body to body, this is the basis of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, or the Hero's Journey. The various planets no doubt play their own roles as portents, omens, and aspects, this astrology is the science of the Bronze age, and lasted all the way up to the 20th Century. Resurrection was an early teaching of the Christian Church, and likely relates to the lineage of Kings (The King is Dead, long live the King.)
Phoenicians represent the interim step between Egypt and Greece, their artisans and culture exceeding that of the Greeks, who literally adopted the Phoenician Alphabet, which we still use to this day, sounding out words phonetically. Phoenician is aliiterated in Venetian, and Vikings, being Kings of the Sea.
The Bennu is the Egyptian Phoenix, to Phoenicians the Hoyle, no different to the traditions of the Etruscans, who saw birds as sacred, just as the Celts. Hebrew and Iber as in Iberia have the same root meaning over, as in overseas, as in those who travel "over the sea." A colony called Iberia also appears on the Eastern shores of the Black Sea, where the same Dolmens and Megalithic culture originating in Ireland and Brittany appeared circa 4500BC.
_Phoenician_ means Scions of the Phoenix, the first Bible: Vaticanus Greacus Son of the Sacred Serpent (Prince). Then there's the Essenes, Sons of Light, the Tuatha De Danaan, Sons of Light, Annunaki, Sons of Light, Arthur Pendragon means Arthur Son of the dragon, Chertoff is Russian for "Son of the Devil" and Dracula also means Son of the Dragon, Masons have been known at times to call themselves the "Brotherhood of the Great White Serpent". The Ziggurat of Anu also denotes her as a great white Serpent, while New Grange and the Bru na Boinne in Ireland (4000BC) coated buildings with white quartz to denote the Moon. The Moon itself travels outside the Solar Elliptic by 5 degrees, which means it passes through specific constellations in a serpentine fashion that is always changing, but repeats every 19 years, the time it took to train a Druid or Magi, Magi meaning "Teacher" the Phoenix is also associated with this sacred number 19.
The name "Pharoah" means "Great House"
or "House of Light" and Cairo used to be called Babel. Pharaoh's themselves wore a hooded crown representing feathers, just as Native American Chiefs, ie the Feathered Serpent, they were also called the Commander in Chief. Aztecs also had Serpent Kings, (Canaan means Serpent Kings, and Sidon was a Son of Canaan, and Great Grandson of Noah) who were called to lead with cunning and guile, being the very virtue by which they claim the title in the first place; but to be seen in public as just and diplomatic.
"As wise as Serpents, but gentle as Doves" the old Egyptian flag of an Eagle attacking a Snake is also reflected in the Modern Mexican flag, denoting the Constellations of Serpentis (13th sign of the Zodiac) and Aquila.
The dimensions and 12 mathematical constants of the Great Pyramid are also expressed in New Grange, and Stonehenge, as well as in Watson Brake, (2500BC) and Teotihuacan, which correlates to the Phoenician/ Sumerian Hexidecimal system, which is what our modern systems of time are based on.
Officially no one knows who invented astrology, the zodiac, navigation by the stars, and time keeping. But whoever built the pyramids, and pioneered the 24hr clock in Egypt 5000 years ago also knew the exact dimensions of the Earth, as well as the speed of light. These calculations can all be made using these Megalithic sites as surveyors use a theodolite. Specifically Teotihuacan, which sits 180 degrees opposite Cairo, and has the exact same footprint. The ideal positions to determine the speed of light using the transit of Venus, by which one can accurately determine Longitude for navigation. Capt cook did the same thing in 1774 when he 'discovered' Easter Island.
The only culture that fits the bill was wiped out "not one stone upon the other" by the Romans in 146BC. Tyre, the capital of Phoenicia (israel) sat just offshore from Ur Shalom, City of the New Moon, or City of Peace. The root of the name Jerusalem, and was also seized by Rome in 70AD after a 13 year seige. The gap between is 216 years.
Greek Dionysians built the Temple of Solomon (now called the Temple of Melqart) representing the Solar Lunar Metonic Calendar on which this system is based, they also carried mirrors, a practice associated with both the Magi and the Druids as well as Greek and Egyptian scholars, these Mirrors are Astrological charts called "Cycladian Frying Pans" and record the cycles of the planets. The first Temple of Melqart (the Phoenician form of Horus, or Hercules, or Pan, or Thor) representing the 13th Constellation of Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer (hence Orphic Serpent worship) had pillars of Emerald and Gold, representing Isis and Osiris. The Jerusalem Temple only took payment in "Shekels of Tyre" a currency minted during the Jewish rebellion against Rome. "Give that which is Ceasar's unto Ceasar"
When Alexander sacked Tyre in 332BC they moved to Carthage meaning "New City" or New Jerusalem, where they built a second temple with Pillars of Bronze.
Nebuchadnezzar also seiged Tyre for 13 years, taking the City captive in 573BC: the same time as the biblical account of the Jews. And again in 70AD after a three and a half year seige, also consistent with biblical accounts.
I am a Christian. I have suffered much in my life and have always been able to turn to Christ as consolation and comfort. However, the notion that He is, as presented in the Bible, "beyond human invention", is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I write fantasy stories. I can dream up waaaay more powerful beings than the Jesus depicted in the New Testament.
I have heard that same argument mostly from Muslim apologists about the Quran: “it’s so perfectly written that only god could have inspired it”. Now I wonder who came up with it first and who is borrowing from the other faith.
Matthew 5:17-18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, *one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law,* till all things be accomplished.
According to that verse the gospel writer believed in a perfect word for word accurate torah
But then you actually prove the points of scholars who say that Jesus is not Yhwh, that Jesus did not claim to be God or that the trinity is not orginal to Jesus faith, because that's all later human invention. Just like they show that the gospels were not even written by apostles or eyewitnesses of Jesus. So you are cherry picking what fits to you and what not.
Also, you’re almost certainly a far more moral person than Jesus commanded you to be, far more moral than he could have imagined. Remember, for Jesus, goodness is about obedience to God, even if God orders you to do something immoral, like running off in the middle of the night without warning anyone that Herod’s soldiers are coming for all the infant boys
@@JopJio That's not at all what the gospel writer intended by that verse. He's talking it still being necessary to keep the Torah Law, not about the text itself being perfectly preserved.
Thank you Dan! The world is desperately in need of this type of work. To see a man (as shown in the video you analyze) so convicted of things that are simply not true is a shocking example of how willfully blind we can be. And the historical record of what such blindness can wreck upon humanity is chilling.
I don’t think he actually believes what he said. Apologists are in this for the money. They all make wild claims to gain a following.
Whether or not he believes what he says, the apologist preacher is not careful with his choice of words. He said there are hundreds of prophecies about Jesus, when he could have said there are hundreds of prophecies of the Messiah. Shorting that gap demonstrates his opinion of the critical thinking skills of his audience.
Oh so you’re just relying on every word that comes from dans mouth? Haha you do realize that Dan himself simply reads other humans views on these matters and states them in his videos right? But who’s to say those ppl are true? Dan isn’t right on everything, matter of fact he’s wrong on many things.
@@j.dieason7527 Who reads the scriptures in context and honest is good. the dishonest who call this one wrong but, bet you have no clue but about 20% of Scriptures old and new. You gave no evidence or anything except knock him . what are CHERRYPICKING Hipocrites
So it’s not true just because this guy says it’s not? You know theres other scholars and historians that disagree and refute this guy right? Just because a guy has a phd in one kind of subject doesn’t mean he is a authoritative figure on every subject of the book and theology.
Love this! So concise and to the point. My favorite line “ so does the koran and the Book of Mormon “😂 mic drop
😂😂😂😂
The weakest and laziest argument of the whole mess is your mic drop moment. Big surprise.
@@thebugalito It’s not even an argument. He merely said it because he was fed up with the other dude’s arguments, it was meant to be comedic. I get it that most people nowadays have poor listening skills.
* Quran
Unless you are speaking about a lady named Koran, in which case I'm sorry
Wow, beautifully done. Apologists are so blithe in their lies and half-truths that I sometimes feel despair. However, you are the perfect foil. And, damn, I feel better. Thank you.
Dan says that every bit of philosophy uttered by Jesus in the Bible had an antecedent in ancient Jewish literature. I'd read a book about those antecedents!
Would that literaire have survived? Then the Bible could be unchanged too. Or does he mean the tanakh? But Jesus says that it testifies of him, so that would mean he has a point.
So you are one of the many that got sucked in to the trash of unlearned fake teachers, who don't know a thing about God and have nothing but negative trash to teach. At least your love for this trash proves that this crap is what you are truly after, because it helps you assuage your guilt for never making a true effort to know The Creator God, even after evo-illusion failed you & your ilk.
The preacher is John MacArthur from Grace Community Church in Southern California. He claims to believe the Bible is literally true. As a young man, I personally heard him preach from the Bible that love of money is the root of all evil and that a camel is more likely to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man is to enter the kingdom of God. I heard him preach from the Bible about Jesus throwing merchants out of the temple.
MacArthur has an estimated personal net worth of fourteen to fifteen million dollars. He owns at least three homes. His family business is based upon his religious teachings and has an estimated value of one hundred and thirty million dollars.
Grace Books is located on church grounds. It primarily sells Christian books with a smattering of other religious product. Many of these books were written by John MaCArthur. I won’t pretend to know the details of MacArthur’s publishing contract but standard publishing contracts provide the author with a small percentage of the profits from each sale of a book by that author.
As a young, born again Christian, I did not notice a conflict between MacArthur’s stated beliefs and his actions. As an old atheist, they are glaring.
I recently started watching your videos after a few years of Bart Ehrman and other well studied people. Thank you for the work you're doing. Concise, perfectly presented information and counter evidence is much needed.
Literally was talking today with my dad who is big into John MacArthur and I've been trying the whole time to not just say "JMac doesn't actually know as much about the bible as he pretends to" and now have found this tonight, lol
It transforms lives? So do the teachings of the Buddha, the Stoics, and almost anything else ever written that people find value in.
The MAGA movement and Q transformed lives! LOL. It doesn't take much for some people.
Exactly. It isn’t Christian exclusive…
So does Ayn Rand!
@@user-cw3ox2nn5t Why is it hypocritical? Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. How is the commenter doing that? If you think that Christian doctrine gets more criticism you'd be right, but it's entirely sensible and proper. In the western world we are surrounded by Christians telling us we should believe what they believe. They try to get to our children to spread their ideas to them. In America, Christians try to get their morality legislated and many want an elevated status for Christian practisers.
Your own comment is a good example. I see comments like that all the time quoting the Bible at me. I rarely get Muslims quoting their scriptures at me and it has never happened with Buddhists.
We are surrounded by Christians telling us they are right and we non-believers are wrong. Are you honestly telling me we should respond to Muslims equally when they are not promoting their religion to us at the same level as Christians?
But they are dead and Jesus Christ rose and the change is because of the hope caused by the promise of eternal life which was made possible only by the resurrection, and his death and resurrection are prophesied about, also the writers and believers of the other expect an eternal king.
I am reminded of Barry Wilson's book "How Jesus became a Christian ".
A very knowledgeable Orthodox Jewish friend said to me, in talking about vook, Paul was a great salesman.
I love the look of startled disbelief on Dan's face. Epic.
You can always trust a preacher apologist to present facts that holds up to scruteny. 😇
The sarcasm is strong with this one
Wouldn't trust it as long as could through it. they are way to dishonest and very noticably twist scriptures and void other things that might hurt the belief system.. from man made and not a true honest loving creator I all way's only hoped for. other christians told me never to believe School completing apologist. they are in school to learn to manipulate the scriptures. and evidence is hearing many of the debat's they tend giving evidence .
Also on the 500 eye witnesses thing, if the whole thing never happened _there would be no-one to contradict him._ He doesn't give a date or a place. Just that after he appeared to the twelve (none of whom are present) an unspecified 500 people, at an unspecified place, on an unspecified day were also all simultaneous witnesses to Jesus post-resurrection existence.
Just logistically, how would you dispute such a non-specific claim? "I was there when he didn't show up and that didn't happen"? It's a claim that's insulated against any dissent.
@@user-cw3ox2nn5t 1. No they couldn't have "easily checked" his claims. You don't know where Corinth _is_ do you? It's nearly halfway across the Mediterranean away from where Paul was. Most communication between Christian communities at the time was essentially just rumour-trading, with single-person contact points travelling between any of them - many of those contact points were essentially given authority such that _almost anything_ they said was believed. Individual early Christian communities were close-knit, but that's not the same as _all of them collectively_ having easy means of verifying anything going on anywhere near them.
2. You claim that if Paul were lying it'd damage the credibility of the gospels, but then also say that the credibility of the gospels has nothing to do with human verification. Pick a lane.
3. John MacArthur seems to be equally as disingenuous as the claims he's attempting to defend and so I don't care what he emphasises. He has an agenda he's promoting, and that's in attempting to convince people that the Bible is univocal, inerrant and infallible (when it is very obviously none of those things). And that means he is not capable of critically analysing anything in it, because his default assumption is to automatically believe it and not critically assess its validity.
Your comment has zero actual points of evidence to back up that a non-specific claim was somehow magically not non-specific, and instead you are using diversionary tactics to deflect attention from that simple fact. Go away please.
It also is hard to believe that no one would write. 'Oh the Jewish preacher guy came back from the dead.' I suppose it's possible someone did and we just haven't found it. But I doubt that the first century is pretty well documented especially compared to previous centuries.
@@svandergaast1 This has always been odd with how in Matthew, it mentions that graves opened up and many “dead” saints went into Jerusalem and talked with a lot of people. It really seems like this would be a widely documented event. In an area where we can find daily weather reports from the time period, somehow this didn’t make the news?!
So it’s an old ploy to increase one’s crowd size to lend authenticity to one’s message.
Zah - Date or place? The subject is lightly touched on, and all of what you mention exists, but there is a thing called "discoveries based on research of ancient manuscripts". You sound like just another non-believer who refuses to believe anything that is not demonstrated before his/her own eyes. Brilliant choice, eh?
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*Number of Stars* ⭐️
The first guess in the age of science was that the stars were infinite in number.
The first numbered guess may have been William Herschel’s : 20,000 million.
As far as I can see (no pun intended), no scientist ever estimated only 1,000 stars.
1,023 makes no sense as an estimate.
10^23 does make sense and Dan was very clever in coming up with this explanation for the nonsense claim. 👍
that's some real Sherlock Holmes deduction there.
Sorry - that's sounds sort of sarcastic as I read it back - but yeah, you're right, it was a good bit of logical reasoning there from Dan.
About five thousand stars only are visible with the naked eye IIRC. Guessing a number of thousands was not too far off in biblical times.
@@Achill101 The claim that a *scientist* estimated 1,023 is not about biblical times.
@scienceexplains302 - yes, I misunderstood at first.
Funnily enough I just watched that video you critiqued and switched it off half way thinking "what a load of rubbish". Then watched this video and here it was, a beautiful explanation that I could not arrive at as to what was wrong with that other video. Thank you!
Dan, you really need to stop using facts, information, and evidence. You are just confusing these poor experts
500 witnesses along with other eyewitness accounts is evidence. Those accounts are bolstered with other forms of evidence. There is plenty of evidence. The weight of the evidence then comes to probability.
Thank you for your last statement. No one ever explains why their book is better then other religious doctrines
Just ran across your videos today and need to say how much I love them. I am an ex-evangelical, my father was a Church of Christ preacher. I am deconstructing & your videos are enlightening me to the truth, something that I was never presented, just went along never questioning for a lot of my life. The things you have presented in this video can not be ignored, I would also like to add that your video on homosexuality was very much appreciated, People are always going to take scripture & twist it to harm others when they are trying to serve their own desires, they don't look at the context or even the translation, they just run with the hate & use it to weaponize others. You are doing a good job, I appreciate the videos.
I'd pay a lot of money to attend a debate between Dan and JMac.
S*** I pay to see him go against Ben Shapiro
Yes
It would be a waste of time. JMac would constantly reframe and deny the contextual data. It's what apologists do.
And shapiro would just railroad conversation
@@josephpercy1558what do you think is wrong about denying or reframing contextual data? Do not all scholars do that to some degree?
Thank you Dan for all the information you share on your channel. Your statement that “the best explanation is a conviction of the resurrection of Jesus” rings incredibly true to me.
As someone who was who was involved with the Catholic Church (including as a diocesan seminarian for 3.5 years) but internally conflicted about reconciling the professed beliefs with my experiences, your statement encapsulates the intellectual and emotional conclusion that I reached - I believed that THEY believed, but ultimately that wasn’t enough for ME to believe.
You have become one of my favorite people to watch!!!
Christian fundamentalists be like "When preachers just make $#lt up, that itself is an act of creation. Creation is a divine act. Therefor the stuff we make up is divine. Therefore it's true.
TaKe tHaT, athEtiTs1"
Almost spit Mt. Dew out my nose, laughing when I read your post.
Excellent Dan. The problem is all these evangelicals and fundamentalists don't actually HAVE any Faith outside of The Bible. It is The Bible they worship, not Christ, and in any event Christ can't exist for them unless The Bible is 100 percent accurate and reliable ( well, reliable to say the things they want it to say). They are simply unable to accept that, along with some genuine truth and wisdom, The Bible has numerous contradictions, and some very nasty, antiquated views which today most people acknowlege are wrong (and in some cases even evil). And that's because it was written by men, NOT God, and men, above all else, are fallible.
Yes, but you on the other hand take the fundamentals of your faith out of the NT. Mainstream scholars have shown that Jesus did not claim to be God based on the earliest words attributed to him. He also had a different view on salvation and referred to the law when asked how to get eternal life.
@@germanboy14 I don't disagree with you. My point is that it is all a matter of Faith, and the 'Faith" of these apologists is unable to escape a rigid belief in a book written by fallible Human men.
Exactly. As I sometimes paraphrase the opening verses of the Gospel of St. John: "In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God. The Bible was in the beginning with God, through the Bible all things were made. And the Bible was made print and dwelt among us..."
And to quote the New Testament directly: "Woe to you scribes and pharisees, you hypocrites! For you follow the letter of law but not the spirit of it!"
@@Dalekzilla so you say that the book is not reliable but at the same time you base your faith on stuff written in the same book. Doesn't sound logical to me, because you don't know that what you believe in is right or wrong. That's basically cherry picking.
@@germanboy14 Just because parts of The Bible are contradictory or wrong, or endorse things we no longer accept as morally correct, that doesn't mean that there is not some truth and wisdom in it. I'm specifically talking about Christ's message of Social Justice, the call to care for the poor, the sick, and the marginalized...or the Greatest Commandment, which tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves. What precisely is it that you have a problem with? Blind adherence to an "infallible" Bible (which I can respect, because I don't believe in that myself), or just anyone having a belief in Christ? Sounds to me like you are more than a tad intolerant yourself.
From watching your videos etc I reached the conclusion that "The bible that was written by men through the eyes their own worldview of their experience of god's interaction with them. Then it was translated by other men through their worldview before being interpreted by other people through their own worldview."
Some other commenters have pointed this out already, but it's worth bringing up again that Dan apparently misunderstood the point of the "1023" stars reference. This is approximately the number of stars in Ptolemy's Almagest (2nd century CE), which is apparently being used as a source for how many stars "scientists had counted" at that time, and Ptolemy's count is presumably the approximate number of stars that are visible to the naked eye from that part of the world (not from the whole planet). The point of the claim is that modern science has revealed that the number of stars is indeed beyond counting, apparently confirming Jeremiah's "stars cannot be counted" statement and in defiance of the "scientific" knowledge of the day. But it took a lot of careful work back then to be able to "count the stars" at all (indeed, I think Ptolemy's work was written about 750 years after the verse in Jeremiah), and if a casual observer looks at the sky on a clear night in a dark location, the number of stars sure looks like it is beyond counting. As someone in the comments suggested, that is probably what Jeremiah meant.
1023 seems like a weird number. On the face of it, it would seem to be vastly too small for what they really thought. I say this because I can drive 50 miles outside of the city on a clear night and observe directly that there are vastly more than 1023 stars visible in the night sky.
Or there is a 3rd option which is that Jeremiah was not a scientist, had never heard of Aristotle, looked up at the night sky and was certain that there were more of them than the largest sheep herd he'd ever seen. One could also say that the grains of sand cannot be counted, and call that a prophecy. And then those who doubt science would say "build me a machine that can count sand."
@@PrometheanRisingIt might have been the slang of his day for "a lot." Maybe there was a play with that number or something and it became a thing.
Except it's 1022, not 1023.
Outstanding work, as always.
Ayyy.🤦♂️
The essential problem with the accounts is that the gospel of Mark is that its true only if you consider Harry Potter or The Golden Ass to also be true.
What is the claim to truth. The Jesus story is fantastic and unique therefore it must be true.
The first flag here is story. Is any story true?
But there's a problem here, dry factual accounts of events are seldomly that popular, and its the way the Authors dress up their story that make it literature. So lets look at Mark
Anti-Jewish (more so anti-disciple) - polemic against the Jewish Jesus followers. These are the people who knew the Jesus story the best. Thats a second red flag.
Major deviation from earlier accounts - According to Paul Jesus was buried, not entombed. Paul was a Jew, and he met both Peter and James, also Jewish. The the Q source in matt and luke have similar stories than Mark, but the Markan gospel twists these stories. In the epistle of Yacov maintain jewish piety was important to establish ones stamina with the faith.
The passion narrative has major errors in it concerning what is permissible by Jewish customs.
Conclusion. The gospel of Mark is polemic literature, not a historical account.
Matthew is largely based on Mark with added Q elements, but it also uses the flawed passion narrative of Mark and embellishes it. The birth narrative in Matt was rejected by Jewish christians. The sermon on the mount was contrived.
Luke assembles the text from a number of sources, this text also has a birth narrative with two elements added from the second century, the narrative contradicts matthews. While Luke uses a more literal extraction of the Q source, the text expands upon Mark's and Matthews narrative, plus Luke adds another source that flows into acts. While luke is the most source dependent text, given its from the first half of the second century it rather out of touch with the Jewish Jesus movement.
So what are the Gospels, greek biographies, not atypical of other biographies which dress up the hero and introduce credentials of divinty. What is the truth in the bible. One has to actually study alot of literature from the period to establish what can be attested. The bottom line is not much can be attested.
Major points:
1. Jesus was Jewish and was likely born and raised in the tetrarch of galilee at the time of Herod Antipas.
2. Jesus travel around galilee until the herodians made it too dangerous for him to stay there.
3. An apocalyptic mystical teacher.
4. Executed after being seized by loyalist to the herodians.
5. Was the object of visual experiences.
01:18 Another explanation is that the event never happened and thus the author of 1 Corinthians was free to pick whatever number of eyewitnesses that they fancied.
Thank you Dr. Dan
Can we just admit already that Christianity/Bible is unmistakable mythology…. It would do us some good.
John MacArthur making weak false claims for someone of his stature is appalling. Now imagine YT apologists or normal church members making these same claims and thinking they are right. SMH
Wow, it is the blind leading the blind in Christianity at times.
Thankfully we have critical scholarship filled with people who will be intellectually honest.
5:45 1023 is the number of stars with entries in Ptolemy's Almagest (discounting nebulae and a few duplicated entries in the mss.). I think what the speaker means might be "Greek scientists thought there were only 1023 stars but the Bible says there is a vast number. We now know there are a vast number so this is proof the Bible is true." Of course, the Almagest only lists stars that can be seen with the naked eye from Alexandria and is perfectly correct for that. Also one suspects the author of Jeremiah might not have been able to count above 1000.
Except he's got 1022 stars, not 1023.
In the few times I've seen the night sky not corrupted by city lights, the stars were beyond counting. Where he got 1023, I have no idea.
There are about 6 thousand stars that can be viewed with the naked eye. Not all at once, tho.
@@juanausensi499 Still, that would be really hard to count, especially since they move. Granted, they move quite slowly, but it'd be a lot of work all the same. And just because a verse says "uncountable" it might not mean actually impossible to count, just "a very large number, so much so that you can't immediately identify how many," which certainly any observer of the night sky in any age would agree with (unless they're a computer with visual recognition algorithms specifically for identifying stars, I guess).
@@Uryvichk It's a hard task, but several ancient civilizations managed to do just that. The fact the stars form identifiable asterisms (constellations) make the task a little easier (you can check if you already catalogued all the stars near the big 'W', for example)
But a rough number is pretty easy to establish: just take a portion of the sky, count the stars in it, and then extrapolate for the whole sky. That's something everyone can do, today and 4000 years ago. I agree 'uncountable' just means 'many', in that specific text.
There are some people who don't know much mathematics, who do their research online, reading web pages that are cut and paste copies of what someone else wrote, or emails or printouts of that. When you copy the number 10²³ (which stands for 10 with 23 zeros after, 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 100 sextillion, 100 billion triillion) in a simple ASCII text editor, it can lose the formatting, so it can turn into 1023. So, the guy in the video clip says, at 5:42, "The Bible says the stars can't be numbered, in a day when scientists have counted a thousand and 23 of them." The latest estimate is 200 billion trillion. That would appear in exponential notation as 2×10²³, if you don't lose the formatting. You're dealing with listening to someone who has a memory like a steel trap, for his mathematically illiterate reading of copypasta.
@@SonnyMoonie Yes, realizing this was how most literalist fundamentalists do their research was what finally broke me out of that mindset. I got some good training on research skills and critical thinking relatively early on, and at the same time I heard all of these people I trusted saying with absolute conviction that evolution goes against the second law of thermodynamics, secular historians just believe Daniel was written after the prophecies it makes because they presuppose that actual prophecy is impossible, people go to our church because it has best and most clearly true interpretation of the Bible compared to everyone else. I just kind of assumed that because I wouldn't say something with such absolute certainty unless I had very good reasons that I could articulate myself to demonstrate these things were true, these people must really understand these things better than I did and know what was going on.
The arguments against evolution were the first to crumble, as I realized these people were ludicrously misinformed about even the most basic ideas about evolution. But that wasn't their field of expertise, so I generally just tried to correct people on the details they got wrong and assumed there was some other explanation for why YEC was actually true I was just missing. I figured on the Bible at least these people had studied for decades, so clearly they knew exactly what all the different interpretations for the Bible there were and could give excellent reasons why ours was the best. But when I finally lost enough trust with all the other things they got wrong, I started putting in the work to really figure out what the foundation of these most true beliefs about Biblical interpretation. Then found out it was all based on presupposition they must be right; flagrant misreadings of Biblical texts where needed to make their interpretation fit; metaphorical, spiritual, or allegorical interpretations of verses that went against their beliefs and strict literalism where they agreed; stupendously implausible harmonizations that they claimed completely eliminated contradictions; and many other problems that made the claim that they were obviously right transparently false.
On the plus side, I've finally learned my lesson than many people are perfectly happy to just look up an argument for why they are right and then repeat it as though they are completely certain they know the truth, so I need to get back as close to the actual source as feasible given my level of understanding and evaluate it for myself.
As an anthropologist/archaeologist, I agree with your statement that the backdrop of history in the archaeological record is "generally" accurate, but there is no way to prove specifics. It would be a logical fallacy to claim otherwise.
Please take a moment to read the gospel of Thomas, the sayings of the Christ. The first time I read it I was seeking wisdom. I was left completely empty on the inside as no wisdom was to be found in the sayings.
Do scholars think the Thomas sayings actually belong to Jesus? My understanding is that specialists like Bart Ehrman deny the authenticity of the sayings.
@@AurorXZ That's an excellent question. Please keep in mind that many of the sayings in Thomas are also found in the Synoptic Gospels. Its value lies in its format, only sayings, no narrative (as far as I can recollect). This format makes the Gospel of Thomas ideal reading material for me (just the facts ma'am). The end result is the same, if any of Jesus's sayings are his own and not simply attributed to him, no wisdom is to be found.
Dan thank you so much for bringing your expertise into the mix because it let's me know I'm not insane when I'm talking to believers in the Bible and they have nothing but conjecture and emotion to draw from but simple logic outweighs that far and wide so thank you!
As a believing Christian, I find that apologist/fundamentalist appeals to “facts” and “evidence” to bolster their claims (which are also nakedly obvious efforts to reinforce their own authority) end up destroying faith over the long run.
It is not an unreasonable belief for a Christian to hold to the resurrection, or a Muslim to hold to the prophetic inspiration of Mohamed, or for a Hindu to maintain that Krishna really accompanied Arjuna on his chariot on the Kurukshetra. However none of these beliefs are historically falsifiable and therefore cannot be proven. The reason for believing any or all (or even none) of these happened is not based in fact. There are deeper psychological, sociological, and spiritual factors that shape and inform these beliefs.
Knowing this as a believer is liberating because I don’t feel the need to prove my faith over and against other worldviews or to try to use my beliefs to leverage power over others. But, the power games that various fundamentalisms play is too central to their operational DNA for them not to seek to leverage plausible but unverifiable historical claims into established fact.
As a former fundamentalist now atheist I would entirely agree with your assessment. I wouldn't mind being a universalist Christian mainly holding to the love of God and the good teachings of Christ. But as of now at least I can't really hack believing that is the case now seeing what abuse of the Bible into totally different and damaging ideologies such a deity would have to allow, and even seemingly have made those interpretations extremely viable and likely to occur, among other problems. I do, however, appreciate those Christians that hold to their beliefs while acknowledging it is reasonable for others to believe differently. Thanks for making the world a better place for us to be understand and respect each other, regardless of differing beliefs!
@@matthewnitz8367 Thanks! I am a Christian Universalist and probably couldn’t remain in the faith if I didn’t also believe that God is infinitely loving and will ultimately bring about the highest good for all beings. There’s so much in the Christian tradition that grieves me, to the point where it’s definitely hard to call myself a Christian most days. And, yeah, seeing as I cannot prove what I believe, it would be supremely hypocritical for me to pass judgment on what others do or don’t believe. The only caveat is that I do think that any system of belief that is leveraged in the name of power to harm others is justifiably up for criticism and even scorn. There’s definitely a lot in Christianity historically and all the way into the present that deserves scrutiny and even scorn. Hopefully it’ll shame us Christians into actuality growing and learning to live out our beliefs in a way that benefits others instead of either annoying or outright harming them.
Dan, I'm wondering what your thoughts are regarding Bauckham's Jesus and the Eyewitnesses.
The presentation of Lord Rama in the Ramayana is beyond human invention
The presentation of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is beyond human invention
And why would the Bhagavad Gita suggest that the mighty Pandava warrior Arjuna might consider refusing to fight, a shameful act for one of his caste and royal status, but for the intervention of Lord Krishna, unless all of that really did happen? That's too embarrassing to make up, so it must be true!
The presentation of most of Hindu scripture is beyond human invention... until you try mushrooms. Then it becomes quite clear that a huge chunk of early religious writings are the interpretations of psilocybin-induced trips, and a lot of things suddenly make sense in that context.
@@Uryvichk so the writers of the BG knew how to add some depth and narrative complexity to a character, unlike the writers of the Bible, who made JC the biggest Mary Sue of all time.
@@geraintwd I wouldn’t say “quite clear”. I’ve done psychedelics and I get watchu mean but I wouldn’t say it’s certain that that’s what led to the Hindu traditions
6:15 "if thats the case... Wow" lmaoooo
I really like this channel
Well done.
I saw the video and thought you were in support of the validity of the bible. I was looking forward to a good belly laugh and to respond to the takes I expected.
But I was not disappointed by the video. Well done.
Thank you for your video (as always).
Here is another valid question :
The biblical god Yahweh is supposed to have created the universe, the earth and the humans. We humans exist since 300k years and we have thousands of religious human testimonies from 100k - 6k years ago from hunting gods, fertility gods, venus gods, pantheons of hundreds of gods, etc but not a single testimony of a "one and only god" yahwe or Adam and Eve.
How come that this god, that is supposed to have created us at the beginning, is first mentioned only 3500-5000 years ago?
Presumably either because of "divine revelation" and/or "progressive revelation." Most theologies already try to account for this.
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So you want to say that Yahweh created the first humans, then he ignored them for 295k years and from 5000 years on he started his "progressive divine revelation"?
A god that, according to the bible, sends everybody to hell that doesn't worship him? Scientists calculated that before Jesus lived around the same amount of humans than after him.
So is god evil?
What theologists from 3500 years ago till today can do is reinterprete the past retroactively in favor of their religion.
But besides the fact that other religions where pretty active 100k -6k years ago, there is nothing from Yahweh:
Archaeologists are digging out now for example a human settlement with a pagan temple dated on 12,000 years of age with a fertility cult room full of stone penises in Turkey. In south Europe they found cave paintings with shamanistic hunting gods scenes dated on 60,000 years of age, they found all over Europe artefacts of Venus gods dated on 40,000 years of age, and of course the oldest scripts of complete pantheons of gods 10,000-8,000 years of age.
Oldest homo sapiens skeleton found in Morocco is dated on 300k years.
We found millions of artifacts with many different religious believes and they are still finding a lot more now, in the next decades we will know much more.
But they do not find a single testimony of a one and only god Yahweh or Adam and Eve older than the bible (3500 years).
It’s getting even worst: the homo neanderthalensis is even older than us and was also religious (he put his dead people in graves together with grave goods for afterlife). Is homo neanderthalensis also considered by god? How about homo heidelbergensis? Or homo erectus?
Did god create Adam and Eve as homo heidelnergensis in his image and then we humans evolved to homo sapiens and now we have a more advanced image than god?
@@Pro-j4q I don't believe any religion.
@user-vm5yk2js6w Yahweh is a made-up god just like all of the other gods, and according to scholars, he was once a junior member of the Canaanite pantheon and son of the Canaanite high god El and El is clearly fictional.
"The mysterious Ugaritic text Shachar and Shalim tells how (perhaps near the beginning of all things) *El* came to shores of the sea and saw two women who bobbed up and down. *El* was sexually aroused and took the two with him, killed a bird by throwing a staff at it, and roasted it over a fire. He asked the women to tell him when the bird was fully cooked, and to then address him either as husband or as father, for he would thenceforward behave to them as they called him. They saluted him as husband. He then lay with them, and they gave birth to Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk"). Again *El* lay with his wives and the wives gave birth to "the gracious gods", "cleavers of the sea", "children of the sea". The names of these wives are not explicitly provided, but some confusing rubrics at the beginning of the account mention the goddess *Athirat (Asherah),* who is otherwise *El's* chief wife, and the goddess Raḥmayyu ("the one of the womb"), otherwise unknown."
@@Pro-j4q No because they will also pretend the earth is only 6000 years old.
Any recommended reading on everything in the gospels having an antecedent in Jewish and Greek literature?
If it's true, then it's awfully embarrassing for Jesus as a personnel manager. Remember, after his resurrection, he stuck around for six weeks, loafing about with his pals, but then he departed without selecting a replacement for the deceased Judas, leaving his followers to _pray_ to him in absentia and _cast lots_ (gambling!) to determine his will. Incompetence at the management level if it's true
To be fair his dad was a rather incompetent tri-omni creator who kept getting surprised by how his badly thought-out plans kept failing so maybe it's a family trait?
There's no need to replace Judas Iscariot. When Jesus comes the second time, he will bring Judas with him and Judas will sit on one of the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. This promise was made to the 12 disciples when Judas was with them and Jesus. If Judas is lost forever, then Jesus had lied to the disciples when he promised that they would be sitting on the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
@@kalords5967 you do know it's just a story right?
@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 All beliefs started from a story.
The proof that the Bible is real is that it transformed my life, I had a powerful conversion similar to Saul of Tarsus. Furthermore I was a missionary and saw the power of God in demonstration through signs and wonders just like in the Book of Acts 👍
Is this satire?
I love this place so much. Dan, you’re the best for sharing all of this with us. Person who writes fantasy and could invent more fantastical things than Jesus in the New Testament, best response I’ve read all week.
The. Best.
Big fantasy fan. What have you written?
Yo, give them deets
@@firstpersonwinner7404 agree! haha
Dr. McClellan, I discovered your channel a few days ago, love your expertise, and would love to see a discussion on this topic between yourself, and Michael Brown (Jewish-Christian apologist on UA-cam and expert in biblical Hebrew), and William Lane Craig (fundamentalist Christian apologist).
If the buy bull proves that god is real, then Marvel comics prove that Spiderman is real.
Yeah and god prove the bible....circle argument to the fullest
this is why the Book of Mormon is so important. in my opinion, is the best evidence we have to prove Christ is who the Bible says he is, the Messiah. Watching these videos makes me realize how much i DON'T know, so much learning to do... SO MUCH LOL.
I sincerely hope that is sarcasm of the highest order.
Home boy forgot that Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, hell the entire classical Greek era - never mind Confucius - ever existed. Pretty impressive, not gonna lie.
Scientologist make all sorts of dishonest and exaggerated claims about Ron. L. Hubbard which people accept and believe today..
4:11 is a great look :-)
What must be done is for those nonbelievers to prove the Bible FALSE - after first learning how to properly interpret it.
But what's needed to prove it's true? Historical evidence proves Jesus existed, but it's quite a different thing whether or not you believe the content of his gospel, and his teachings, the most basic of which is ... "Love one another as I have loved you" are genuinely true. Dumbing down the basics is actually a great thing to do, so as to never deliberately complicate things.
And so do the meditations of marcus aurelius
Dude, you are the coolest guy on the internet. Period.
Thank you Mr. McClellan ! Loved your video like always……. I was a catholic, and many years ago after reading the bible new and old, I became an Atheist, I even got myself officially and on paper de-baptized, with a letter saying I am not a member of the Catholic ( cult ) Church any longer ! 🎉🎉
Have a nice day and keep the videos coming.
The Catholic Church cannot de-baptize you.
lol debaptized. Also, cult isn't a bad thing. Morality is subjective anyway.
I've oft heard it said (or, more accurately, I've read) that the road to atheism is paved with Bibles that have actually been read.
Calling anyone a cult is name calling and silly unless they agreed to be called that name whatever that word means.
i love the content the most but MAN Dan's tshirt game is unmatched. what's this one from?
I believe it is Mumm-ra and some kind of Thunder Cat Symbol
Yeah, Thundercats shirt. Gets a like from me.
Does Thor, Zeus or Caesar ring a bell.
Been a Christian my whole life and was never a biblical literalist. I feel the need to take it absolutely literally implies a lack of imagination and understanding. Metaphor can be just as powerful as literal truth, if not in some cases more powerful.
The problem with this is that you have to though. Otherwise, what do you have?
What do you take literally, what do you not?
By what measure do you make those decisions?
@steaminghottake6221 there's plenty of Christians who don't believe, say, the world and everything was created in six days, and recognize the flood was a common myth in many religions.
The bible is whatever we want it to be Erik, meaning and parable can be manifested from the pages with a twisting of interpretation. It’s easy.
So, the Bible is true because the Bible _says_ it's true? Not...quite...sure that that's "evidence".
It is in the loosest sense of the word in that a person telling the truth about what they are writing being true would 100% of the time write that. Of course, 99.9999% of the time a liar trying to achieve the same thing would also do so, or someone mistakenly believing they were telling the truth. So extremely weak evidence, but TECHNICALLY they are correct it is evidence.
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It isn’t evidence that supports the claim.
Personally I'm fond of the notion that what Paul really wrote was that Jesus appeared "during the pentecost to the brethren" and that what we have in the "500" is just a corruption of the text. Most likely by amateur scribes but possibly as a result of the changing rhetorical goals of some later Jesus follower group. Acts' pentecost event could be pointing to this earlier, non-corrupt version of Paul's letters. Though as with most of these things, there's no way to know since so much has been lost or destroyed.
That aside, this apologetic about how singular and unique Jesus is supposed to have been is depressing af.
It just demonstrates how small the apologists literary and historical world is. One wonders if they've only ever read the one book.
So much information at your fingertips. More than at all the points in ancient history combined. Yet so many people are stuck building their entire imagination off of one dubious iron collection of texts.
1 corinthians 15 also contradicts the gospels. In John for example it was Mary who saw Jesus allegedly first and in Matthew alledgly multiple women first. But Paul says it was Kephas/Peter. Moreover: no passage in the hebrew Scriptures says this:
1 cor 15 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
He could only had access to hebrew scripture ("Ot") because the Greek canon did not yet exist
And scholars like Dr. Tabor make the point, that Paul did not believe in a physical resurrection of Jesus and if i am not wrong, he also doesnt even mention an empty tomb
1 Corinthians 15:52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
You are correct that no empty tomb is mentioned by Paul. That blew me away the first time I heard it and I had to spend a couple hours looking up different resurrection verses in Paul to verify before I realized that was indeed the case.
Thats not true.
Not mentioning specifics such as empty tomb or that multiple woman saw him first when Mary could've been among them is not a contradiction. It's just how the one telling it remembers it. For example if I was to be at an event with you and some friends gave an account of being at the event but one mentions you but the other doesn't mention you does it make it not true that you were there.
Dan, that's John MacArthur, very famous in Evangelical circles, and (in my opinion) one of the most damaging preachers still alive today. He spews hatred in a very "loving" way toward any group he thinks is living in sin (i.e., lgbtq+). Love your response video.
I'd have thought someone so widely known would have more to show for it. His arguments were the apologetics equivalent of a microwaved TV dinner.
I grew up admiring him and still have his entire commentary series. He was (and is) huge, but remains disastrously destructive. Looking back at his work as a now-happily gay dude (and son of a domestically abused mother told to just "love her husband to Christ"), it's striking just how much damage his theology can inflict. Vile.
500 eyewittnesses but none of them wrote down this "miracle". I sometimes wonder if Paul ever used logic when making statments that are lies
He didn't have to. Why waste any effort on that?
We don’t know that none of them wrote it down. They may have written things down and it may have been lost or denigrated over time.
I’ve never understood why Christians worship John-slavery-is-okay-MacArthur.
As far as the shape of the Earth, what they believed depends on who wrote that passage of the Bible. The earlier stories were probably written by people who believed that the Earth was flat. But later stories, particularly if they were written by scholars, probably knew the Earth was round.
You are absolutely amazing! I don't understand how on earth, after all these videos, you can be a devoted and believing Mormon?!
The Spirit
Choice.
It’s his choice.
Just like you ‘choose’ to believe and do whatever it is you do, despite, in all likelihood, some sort of ‘evidence’ that someone may ‘provide’ that your way of thinking or believing is wrong.
Every Christian apologist I ever heard reminds me of a 19th-century snake oil salesman.
If it's true, that makes it that much more heinous. The god character is a grotesque narcissistic monster.
You’d have to point to things outside the Bible, in observable reality, that specifically corroborate its claims to the exclusion of other explanations. Novel, testable predictions would be great, too.
I have to admit that I absolutely can't stand the mysoginistic homophobe featured in this video and this roasting made me really quite happy. Am I a bad person?
No or at least not for this reason 😂
Here are some the prophecies I believe MacArthur might be referring to: The time of His birth (Daniel 8 and 9), He would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (Zech. 11:12), He would be mocked (Ps 22:7,8), He would be pierced (Ps 22:16), He would die with the wicked but buried with the rich ((Is. 53:9) pretty much all of Isaiah 53.
@lindajones7471 These aren't "prophecies", these are passages from scripture lining up with passages from later scripture. If any one of these verses said, "this is something that will happen to the messiah", and a later unbiased source unfamiliar with that scripture documented that it had, in fact, actually happened to Jesus, that could be argued to be a fulfillment of prophecy. When you have a number of people who weren't present for the events of Jesus's life, who all have access to the Hebrew scriptures and are motivated to find connections to strengthen their belief that Jesus was the messiah, and these are the ONLY people writing about the events of Jesus's life, it would be more surprising if there weren't any correlations. The fact that the correlations are so weak is the really interesting part.
Just remember, it's turtles all the way down
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The preacher/defender of faith in the vid is compelling by his demeanor separate from his 'facts'. Charisma substituting for something more substantial is enough for so many of us. It's our nature and our weakness? Thanks again, Dan.
The problem with people who want to prove the bible. They start from the assumption the bible is true and then interpret the bible based on that conviction. An intellectually honest approach is to make no such assumption and then review all evidence that support the statements in the bible but are not themselves derived from the bible.
Just found your channel. I like it so far.
those standard open ended questions . . . usually spark up the contrarian in me- but you've helped me to get to almost ZERO F's GIVEN> praise be!
Hello Dan my name is Russell I started watching your videos today because of the first ones that I saw and I'm wondering if you have an introductory video that tells who you are and a little bit of your background I am going to look at your site to see if you have any such thing I do have a question for you Dan how much do you personally know the devil and his angels or do you not
I think it's precious for Dan to say that it's laughable when John McCarther says something that is false
Tony Robbins transforms lives too.....
Would love to know what Dan’s religious views are. I’ve heard him say he isn’t an atheist but not sure what his views exactly are. His work has been incredibly helpful to me & the way he presents is excellent. Thanks Dan!
I've only watched a few videos and I've heard him say he's a christian.
He's a member of the LDS church
I'm curious as to your thoughts that what Paul talking about here is a vision or experience rather then a physical event. Mainly off of the fact that paul goes in order of the apostles, then the five hundred, then himself. Seeing as paul never once indicates that he saw Jesus. This being a claimed vision that was seen fits better then an actual resurrection of a physical body.
I need to see a debate between you and Inspiring Philosophy
The Bible describes a flat Earth with a solid dome covering it. This was the standard cosmology of the ancient Near East.
Look up the below from a Biblical scholar:
*"Genesis 1:9-10 - God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth!"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
Also, watch Professor Christine Hayes lecture 3 from 34:10.
The latest grift on the internet is trying to say that Jesus was Melchizedek. Never did Jesus say he was, but he did say I am a priest of the order of Melchizedek and so did Abraham said he was a priest of the order of Melchizedek him who never dies. And now the Christians are trying to go back and say oh this proves that Jesus was Melchizedek. Smh
I'm new to Dan. Does he believe the resurrection happened?
Don’t really see how one could twist the reading of “circle” as meaning flat but go off.
It's hard to respond to these type of crazy claims with "relative" non-judgment to the person. I appreciate the simplicity of his approach to correcting the false narrative. A lot of times, I don't think it's necessary to criticize the reasons why people believe crazy claims. Those who want to understand what is true can sort that part through for themselves.
1023 observable stars per science. Thank you, Mr. MacArthur for setting the record straight. 😂 "Wow" doesn't even begin to describe it...
Dan Bart collab when?
Happened already
John McArthur is not a Christian source I would trust to give a cogent defense of biblical factuality.
I am a Christian and I don't like the idea of trying to prove God's existence. The way each person gets to believe in God is personal and can't be transferred to another person.
The bible is clear that in order to get close to God, one must believe that He exists (Hebrews 11:6).
When I see apologists in action trying to prove God's existence I get kinda sad, because fornthe most part they end up driving people away.
If God wants you to believe, He will move a mountain to make you believe.
But you have to get thru the myth and make believe! That Is all the Bible is, Myth!
But what if he doesn't want you to believe? Were you just cursed at birth to go to hell? Like all those billions of peoples who lived in the Americas and had no contact with anyone who could tell them stories? All just doomed? Some justice, there. I'm less impressed with mountain moving than I am with justice.
@@havable ya, seems like god is an ass if so many don’t know him and he sends them to hell. Such a loving god….. NOT!
I think it's really interesting that a lot of people take an either or approach to the Bible. It doesn't have to all be true or false. Especially when you consider how much the Bible relies on metaphorical language.
About the 1023 stars:
The Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe listed the position of around 1000 stars that were bright enough to be measured with naked eye instruments.
It may well have been 1023 stars.
What bible scholars believe is the most important issue. Keep it going Danihor.
I want to believe, I really want to but the Church, bishops, priests, theologians and lay apologists constantly and almost solely arguing on the grounds of logical fallacies is stopping me from becoming a full fletched believer.
Why does an omnipresent god need a Bible?
You'd think he'd really be talking to people, constantly. But he wasn't always omnipresent. He lived in a tent for a while. Its Old Testament, Moses era. That covers a few books but I can't place it offhand. Just a funny reference. Nobody could look at his face because he was terrible to behold and they would die instantly if they saw him. So he lived in a kind of sub-tent within the priest tent. You know, to protect everyone in case anyone accidentally saw him or something.
@@havableI mean if he’s omnipresent. It wouldn’t be a problem talking to everyone lol. In addition, he talked to Moses, Adam, eve, Joseph, and they all did it die. He could do the same for all, but a fictional character can’t do that
I'm curious about something. And I've been wondering about this since before I deconverted. Have any scholars purposed the idea that Paul might have been the first to claim to have seen the resurrected Jesus? Since he is the only first person account of having seen him. Maybe the Jerusalem church heard about his claim and was like no, we totally saw him first!
Thanks Dan, keep up the good work!
The number of named stars is 451. The number of visible stars is somewhere in the 2500-5000 range. I could not discover any basis for the claim of 1023 stars. As you stated the number of stars in the Universe is greater than 10^23.
Dan’s response to the science comment 😂