I'm a Professional Surveyor in multiple States, NOT MN!, but Minnesota was initially divided up using the rectangular system (sections, Townships, etc.). Those lines are as they were originally set, whether slightly off or not. The lines don't move. If original section corners were found by the surveyor(s) then it would have been a straight forward job to establish the line. BUT, fences don't always get built on the lines and if they have represented the line to both parties for 7-20 years (depending on individual State law and title) then you could have a claim to the land up to the "old" fence and vice versa for your neighbor. Surveyors usually note the presence of a "possession line" when it differs from the "title" line and the its up to court to make a decision on ownership. At least that's how we do it. Love the channel!
Maybe different in mn. I was always told adverse possession witch meant after you have taken care of a peace of land for years it then becomes yours such as a property line between two neighbors
According to my husband, a licensed civil engineer and surveyor in NC and KY, an existing fence or roadway that has been recognized as a property line and not contested by either land owner for a period of 10 years is legally defined as that property boundary. In your case of closer to 100 years, I would question the objectivity of the surveyor. Was he paid by the Fisheries and Wildlife agency?
It works the same way here in Kansas after a period of 15 years. I know this because my parents went through this when the neighbors bought a additional 10 acres behind them.
Mr Larson, I am perplexed to your explanation to why you roll. Mentioning everything except for probably the most important contribution, conserving moisture through compaction and less surface area for evaporation, especially knowing things are going to get markedly warmer. Best wishes
Happy Father’s Day Mr. Dougo! I must say I am certainly surprised that y’all rolled over about land? They should not be Judge, Jury and End All Be-All! Do you have a lawyer friend that might give you advice without charging you much for a question before going forward! If everyone continues to comply…everyone will get land taken from them! Ask around and see if there are others and maybe you all can work together for the greater good! Tell them you don’t want to “gain” it at the other end…/they can have that unusable land. You are a farmer and you need every piece of acreage you already own! Sending Blessings to everyone @Larsons Farm!
We had a boundary dispute with our neighbors and both surveys were in agreement on where the property line was at. In the end, we were able to prove that we had maintained the area in dispute for over 10 years and won the court case under adverse possession in MO. You might want to check into adverse possession laws in MN and even with the new fence up, the fact that the old fence is still there might cause the court to award you the land. Also would check into why the two survey companies came to different boundary lines.
I went through the same thing here in Iowa. Went through Lawyers with both party's concerned and it ended up that if the fence line has not been contested for ten years ,that is the new property line.
I am not a surveyor but I am a land owner and here in Washington state every corner should be marked with a steel rod or a brass/bronze hat. The government has tried many a time to adjust my lines by a chain length. Also a fence line in place for over 7 years without disagreement is a line. Get it back Larson farms!
I was just gonna say that a fence there’s been in place for seven years is the line. End of story will hold up in court. Also the survey could have chosen the incorrect pin as a starting point. Best thing to do is get your own survey done.
@@tedr8454 you missed the point, it moved 60 feet on one side but inches on the other. Pretend you buy a Tesla, it is promised with features but then doesn't come with those features... I'm sure you wouldn't feel ripped off... right? The problem is the State is trying to take land that it did not purchase - that IS a problem. Just like your attitude. Wrong.
Others have stated that an uncontested boundary is now the legal boundary after a given amount of time and I believe I have heard that before as well. However a real question to ask is did they require the roads on either end of that section of ground to also be moved 60'? If they are adjusting a quarter- or half-mile line is their line now exactly that distance from the reference point of a road at then end of the section? Your deed provides the actual distances from a road and the roads, not their supposed digital pin. We know almost nothing is in the real location where it was supposed to be located due to the accuracy of the technology at the time. There are boarders with Canada that are wrong and not at all straight but their countries have long ago agreed to leave them as they didn't want to pay for the correction. Minnesota has counted on you aren't going to fight. As for doing your own survey I would also have that done. Minnesota has been getting taxes on a give amount of acres over the years. If you now don't have 2 of those acres you need to have that corrected and ask for a refund on overpayment.
Larson Farms is the first channel I check on. Doug, I like your explanations and going back on how you did it years ago. I think it's great! On our farm 100 miles east of you, the fence lines are always off but it's grandfathered in.
Dougo, if you are down in land acreage for this parcel make sure your tax and land assessment reflect the proper size of that farm. You’d hate to be paying more in tax than you need to.
Look into MN law regarding "prescriptive easements" where you've farmed the land for 100 years and that was agreed where the property line was. The old time surveyors worked year around, guessing they may have consumed some adult beverages when it was cold out (?) May have affected the accuracy now and then.
From the point of inception (the starting point of measuring, which is probably in town somewhere), if they are off 50 feet on "side a" of your property, then they would be off 50 feet on "side b" as well (more or less). This is the reason why the surveyor said you'd make it up on the other side. It is basically shifting the property line down. The shifting doesn't work so well if there is a road or waterway at side b, because those are hard to move!
Old chain surveys measured up and down hills. This gave a true measure of crop land surface area. GPS measures in a straight level line from point A to point B and does not account for surface area inside the parcel. At least that is my opinion. Good luck with future land issues.
Doug love the channel I am up here in Alberta close to Edmonton, where the fires are. Not really the norm up here, this winter very little snow. The last real snow we got was in January then maybe half an inch of rain in May. Last 10 days I have had 4 inches of rain , guess what no more fires. Funny how that works. Hope you get some moisture
Not all fires are related to rainfall. Why did about 12 fires all start at almost exactly the same time in Quebec according to satellite imagery? Why, as of last week, did Danielle Smith state there were still no known causes to ~175 fires there in Alberta? Why have various fires in California in recent years wipe homes clean to their foundation, melt cars and signs yet leave things like plastic trash cans and trees unscathed around the neighborhoods? You'd have to follow politics and current events and realize the overriding agenda at play by demonstrably wicked individuals and groups. The UN and other outfits like the WEF tell you what the agenda is right out in the open. They do not hide it. Why were governments around the world in lockstep with every aspect regarding Covid? And on and on.
Boy Here after like 7 years with no disputes it’s your. I would have not given in at all especially give it is a government agency. They have way to much power and need to be brought to heel. Like the Dougo videos!
Went through the same issue with land survey. Went to court and instead of losing 50 ft ended up losing 8 ft. Need to talk to a lawyer because in Michigan if you maintain it for 15 years you can claim it.
Dougo, believe it or not, you make sense when you think YOU DONT!!! I learn things from you, I enjoy your ramblings as you say, If YOU and Toby aren't in a video it is just not Larson Farms😳Chet is Awesome, but, he got THAT from you Dougo❤
Pull the fence up & move it back 60ft & farm the land you retrieve, I bet if you do it when nobody is about you will never ever hear from anyone. Sometimes you just gotta do what a man has to do, when you know, you know Dougo! 👌
Hello from Brisbane Australia. Another quality video. I am not a farmer but I do like watching your videos. I find the work that you guys do very interesting. You have an awesome crew working there Doug, Chet, The Big Swede, Brodie and everyone else working at Larson Farms. The interaction between you all also makes it fun to watch. Take care.
Have the survey certified, I did this in Kentucky to put an end to the neighbors' gripping. He was pissed because he lost about 105 feet of Kentucky River frontage. Went off Army Corps. of Engineers markers
Back when alot of farms were getting developed like crazy here. We had a land lord that surveyed his land to develop and the neighboring property was also surveyed weeks later. The 2 surveys weren't even close. But the surveyors will brag about how accurate his survey is.
I lost 60 feet of land I was told the old fence line law doesn't apply in Wisconsin. So luckily my neighbor is a cool guy and we are moving my line 60 feet to get all my buildings in my line.
Thanks, Doug, I really enjoy your informative videos. You answered in this video many questions that I had about rolling the fields. I am so glad you guys are showing us non-farmers what it takes to farm for all of us, thank you! Without hard-working farmers like you, the rest of us would starve.
In Michigan there are metal stakes at corners, that land is measured from. No matter where you are in the US there should be a starting point and all surveys should come out to the same location. Beyond that if the land boundary can be contested in court. If the field was not contested for for over ten years, it can be claimed.
With you there Dugo. Here in UK the Gov. aka DEFRA. remeasure our field boundaries regularly for the subsidy payments for farming. Nearly always change the areas of one or other field. No account is made for slopes, over hanging trees etc. In some fields you can't see the hedge banks because they are in deep shade !!!!! So how can an accurate measurement be made when they measure the area to 0.0001 of a hectare. Trouble is the cost of correction is often more than the benefit
Doug-o! You are a wealth of information. We love the casual explanations of every action you take in the fields and on the farm. The roller description and explanation regarding the roller use was fantastic. Thanks for updating the novice, which I include myself. You have many non-farmers on your channel, and we appreciate the details. The fields are looking good. Thanks again.
Here in Mississippi if a fence is there & been there 10yrs that became the property line !! But if no fence well that can fix the old timers mistake !!
Summers Mfg originally started in Maddock,ND. The main office is in Devils Lake, ND. Dougo's videos are fun to watch as well as the rest of them. Keep up the good videos
Most property"s have corner pins, markers, designated trees, with witness trees sometimes, The deed should tell the number of degrees, angle from that point along with distance along to next marker.
I'm a Professional Surveyor in multiple States, NOT MN!, but Minnesota was initially divided up using the rectangular system (sections, Townships, etc.). Those lines are as they were originally set, whether slightly off or not. The lines don't move. If original section corners were found by the surveyor(s) then it would have been a straight forward job to establish the line. BUT, fences don't always get built on the lines and if they have represented the line to both parties for 7-20 years (depending on individual State law and title) then you could have a claim to the land up to the "old" fence and vice versa for your neighbor. Surveyors usually note the presence of a "possession line" when it differs from the "title" line and the its up to court to make a decision on ownership. At least that's how we do it.
Love the channel!
“It’s my opinion, but its right.”……LOVE that Dougo!!!!!! HAPPY FATHERS DAY to you Dougo!!!!!!
I can see that on a t-shirt!
I loved that response aswell!
@@AndreZA979 thats a GREAT T-shirt idea!!!!
When you know you know! And when you're right you're right! Roll on🚜🚜🚜
Blessings from South Texas 🙏🚜🚜🚜🚜🚜
Dougo if there were you tube awards you would win most improved you tuber .
I dont care what it is... as long as it involved dougo im here for it
I like how you explain farming activities like what the roller does for the non farmers watching your channel
Dougo. The life of the party. Keep that knee in good shape
Always a good video when Dougo has the camera
Maybe different in mn. I was always told adverse possession witch meant after you have taken care of a peace of land for years it then becomes yours such as a property line between two neighbors
I love the way Doug is respectful of others by saying “ it’s the way WE do it, it’s not the only way”
🎶Rolling, rolling, rolling! Get that thing a rolling!!
According to my husband, a licensed civil engineer and surveyor in NC and KY, an existing fence or roadway that has been recognized as a property line and not contested by either land owner for a period of 10 years is legally defined as that property boundary. In your case of closer to 100 years, I would question the objectivity of the surveyor. Was he paid by the Fisheries and Wildlife agency?
I know in Wisconsin it doesn't work that way.
We lost a small amount of land about 50 years after the fence went up and they surveyed it.
It works the same way here in Kansas after a period of 15 years. I know this because my parents went through this when the neighbors bought a additional 10 acres behind them.
Have to agree with Susan, after so many years, the boundary is the boundary. If the state did the survey, I would definitely question that
Mr Larson, I am perplexed to your explanation to why you roll. Mentioning everything except for probably the most important contribution, conserving moisture through compaction and less surface area for evaporation, especially knowing things are going to get markedly warmer. Best wishes
Happy Father’s Day Mr. Dougo! I must say I am certainly surprised that y’all rolled over about land? They should not be Judge, Jury and End All Be-All! Do you have a lawyer friend that might give you advice without charging you much for a question before going forward! If everyone continues to comply…everyone will get land taken from them! Ask around and see if there are others and maybe you all can work together for the greater good! Tell them you don’t want to “gain” it at the other end…/they can have that unusable land. You are a farmer and you need every piece of acreage you already own! Sending Blessings to everyone @Larsons Farm!
Happy Fathers Day Dougo
We had a boundary dispute with our neighbors and both surveys were in agreement on where the property line was at. In the end, we were able to prove that we had maintained the area in dispute for over 10 years and won the court case under adverse possession in MO. You might want to check into adverse possession laws in MN and even with the new fence up, the fact that the old fence is still there might cause the court to award you the land. Also would check into why the two survey companies came to different boundary lines.
Love Dougo dialogue! A true star!
You and Amy are two awesome people you don't know how much it would better to meet you and work with y'all
Happy Father's Day Dougo!
Go Dougo Go! A history of the family and the farm would be a very interesting episode…
Talk about Dougo’s struggles. Lol . I think one of the first videos I watched. Was when Dougo ripped off the steering column on the combine. Lol
I went through the same thing here in Iowa. Went through Lawyers with both party's concerned and it ended up that if the fence line has not been contested for ten years ,that is the new property line.
I am not a surveyor but I am a land owner and here in Washington state every corner should be marked with a steel rod or a brass/bronze hat. The government has tried many a time to adjust my lines by a chain length. Also a fence line in place for over 7 years without disagreement is a line. Get it back Larson farms!
The dam govt has too much land as is. Choking us off.
I was just gonna say that a fence there’s been in place for seven years is the line. End of story will hold up in court. Also the survey could have chosen the incorrect pin as a starting point. Best thing to do is get your own survey done.
10 years. 7 years is only if you pay tax on it (thus everyone recognizes it as yours).
@@tedr8454 you missed the point, it moved 60 feet on one side but inches on the other. Pretend you buy a Tesla, it is promised with features but then doesn't come with those features... I'm sure you wouldn't feel ripped off... right? The problem is the State is trying to take land that it did not purchase - that IS a problem. Just like your attitude. Wrong.
Others have stated that an uncontested boundary is now the legal boundary after a given amount of time and I believe I have heard that before as well. However a real question to ask is did they require the roads on either end of that section of ground to also be moved 60'? If they are adjusting a quarter- or half-mile line is their line now exactly that distance from the reference point of a road at then end of the section? Your deed provides the actual distances from a road and the roads, not their supposed digital pin. We know almost nothing is in the real location where it was supposed to be located due to the accuracy of the technology at the time. There are boarders with Canada that are wrong and not at all straight but their countries have long ago agreed to leave them as they didn't want to pay for the correction. Minnesota has counted on you aren't going to fight.
As for doing your own survey I would also have that done. Minnesota has been getting taxes on a give amount of acres over the years. If you now don't have 2 of those acres you need to have that corrected and ask for a refund on overpayment.
Larson Farms is the first channel I check on. Doug, I like your explanations and going back on how you did it years ago. I think it's great! On our farm 100 miles east of you, the fence lines are always off but it's grandfathered in.
Great video Dougo
Doug doing his Rock & Roll again.
Dougo, if you are down in land acreage for this parcel make sure your tax and land assessment reflect the proper size of that farm. You’d hate to be paying more in tax than you need to.
It's a field music of rock and roll!
Thats a nice field view of the river
Dougo!...... what an absolute legend !!!!
Thanks for stopping & showing the pass that was done compared to the yet to be rolled ground. Love to watch you channel!
LOVE YOU DOUGO!!!!
Dougo on point with merch placement 😂
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!!!!
Look into MN law regarding "prescriptive easements" where you've farmed the land for 100 years and that was agreed where the property line was. The old time surveyors worked year around, guessing they may have consumed some adult beverages when it was cold out (?) May have affected the accuracy now and then.
Dougo…a national treasure!
From the point of inception (the starting point of measuring, which is probably in town somewhere), if they are off 50 feet on "side a" of your property, then they would be off 50 feet on "side b" as well (more or less). This is the reason why the surveyor said you'd make it up on the other side. It is basically shifting the property line down. The shifting doesn't work so well if there is a road or waterway at side b, because those are hard to move!
😂”Jiggle-wiggle” . . . oh my!🤣
That’s straight from the Struggle Bus Operators Manual, y’know 🤪👍🙏🏻🇺🇸🌽
Mr Larson i wish you would take over the channel you do such a better job happy fathers day to you
Old chain surveys measured up and down hills. This gave a true measure of crop land surface area. GPS measures in a straight level line from point A to point B and does not account for surface area inside the parcel. At least that is my opinion. Good luck with future land issues.
Happy Father’s Day goes out to all the fathers out there
Dougo for President!
Happy Father's Day Doug! 🏆
Doug love the channel I am up here in Alberta close to Edmonton, where the fires are. Not really the norm up here, this winter very little snow. The last real snow we got was in January then maybe half an inch of rain in May. Last 10 days I have had 4 inches of rain , guess what no more fires. Funny how that works. Hope you get some moisture
Not all fires are related to rainfall. Why did about 12 fires all start at almost exactly the same time in Quebec according to satellite imagery? Why, as of last week, did Danielle Smith state there were still no known causes to ~175 fires there in Alberta? Why have various fires in California in recent years wipe homes clean to their foundation, melt cars and signs yet leave things like plastic trash cans and trees unscathed around the neighborhoods? You'd have to follow politics and current events and realize the overriding agenda at play by demonstrably wicked individuals and groups. The UN and other outfits like the WEF tell you what the agenda is right out in the open. They do not hide it. Why were governments around the world in lockstep with every aspect regarding Covid? And on and on.
I also think. We need one day of the videos with just Daugo.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey guys....Got my new Larson Farms hat today for Father's Day. It looks great thanks for the Autographs.....Thanks again
Happy Father’s Day Dougo🇺🇸💪🏻🇺🇸
Boy Here after like 7 years with no disputes it’s your. I would have not given in at all especially give it is a government agency. They have way to much power and need to be brought to heel. Like the Dougo videos!
Went through the same issue with land survey. Went to court and instead of losing 50 ft ended up losing 8 ft. Need to talk to a lawyer because in Michigan if you maintain it for 15 years you can claim it.
Dougo, believe it or not, you make sense when you think YOU DONT!!! I learn things from you, I enjoy your ramblings as you say, If YOU and Toby aren't in a video it is just not Larson Farms😳Chet is Awesome, but, he got THAT from you Dougo❤
You are right dougo i did want to see what those pins looked like!
Happy father day dougo and God bless
Pull the fence up & move it back 60ft & farm the land you retrieve, I bet if you do it when nobody is about you will never ever hear from anyone. Sometimes you just gotta do what a man has to do, when you know, you know Dougo! 👌
Hello from Brisbane Australia. Another quality video. I am not a farmer but I do like watching your videos. I find the work that you guys do very interesting. You have an awesome crew working there Doug, Chet, The Big Swede, Brodie and everyone else working at Larson Farms. The interaction between you all also makes it fun to watch. Take care.
Hey boss. I’m from south East of Melbourne
Have the survey certified, I did this in Kentucky to put an end to the neighbors' gripping. He was pissed because he lost about 105 feet of Kentucky River frontage. Went off Army Corps. of Engineers markers
Happy father's day Dougo
Doug’s cracks me up
Happy Fathers Day
Chet need to pay attention your father is a movie star not rushing explaining everything that's what is a awesome video thanks doug
Nice one Doug, great video. Like the term "Jiggle Wiggle" the pin in.keep the good work up.......
Happy Father’s Day Doug!
Back when alot of farms were getting developed like crazy here. We had a land lord that surveyed his land to develop and the neighboring property was also surveyed weeks later. The 2 surveys weren't even close. But the surveyors will brag about how accurate his survey is.
Oh yeah good video Doug stay safe !!
You do cultivate! That's what digging is in the spring!
Happy Father's day to Dougo
Grt Dad a Flea collar for the pants.😊
Always enjoy your videos Dougo love the American flags on ur tractor s ur hat god bless u an family
Great conversation with Dougo👍👍👍👍👍👍
I lost 60 feet of land I was told the old fence line law doesn't apply in Wisconsin. So luckily my neighbor is a cool guy and we are moving my line 60 feet to get all my buildings in my line.
I'm buying a farm. And the survey showed i now own 1/3 of neighbors field and his entrance. Its crazy. Any more i get all my land surveyed so i know.
Your doing P/T wile your working Duggo!! Not to worry!
“Once again it’s my opinion, but it’s right.” T-Shirt please😊
Dougo, you're a treasure. Fantastic video, thanks for the explanations!
I love when Dougo does his teaching vlogs!!!! He is the best to learn from , you can tell why his son picked up so much !!!!
Thanks, Doug, I really enjoy your informative videos. You answered in this video many questions that I had about rolling the fields. I am so glad you guys are showing us non-farmers what it takes to farm for all of us, thank you! Without hard-working farmers like you, the rest of us would starve.
Yes, we are burning up here in quebec canada. It will get better soon.
From one old 62 year old guy to another. Enjoy Fathers Day! Greetings from Kansas City!
Thanks for the video Doug-o!
Happy Father’s Day!
I'm not a Surveyor, however I would think if there was a property line dispute after decades of prior established boundries, I'd contest the results!
In Michigan there are metal stakes at corners, that land is measured from. No matter where you are in the US there should be a starting point and all surveys should come out to the same location. Beyond that if the land boundary can be contested in court. If the field was not contested for for over ten years, it can be claimed.
Dougo, you are always a pleasure to listen to. We are definitely old school.
Hire your own surveyor we have had to do it up north. It's been worth it every time
With you there Dugo. Here in UK the Gov. aka DEFRA. remeasure our field boundaries regularly for the subsidy payments for farming. Nearly always change the areas of one or other field. No account is made for slopes, over hanging trees etc. In some fields you can't see the hedge banks because they are in deep shade !!!!! So how can an accurate measurement be made when they measure the area to 0.0001 of a hectare. Trouble is the cost of correction is often more than the benefit
God bless you all and thanks again for all you do!
Doug-o! You are a wealth of information. We love the casual explanations of every action you take in the fields and on the farm. The roller description and explanation regarding the roller use was fantastic. Thanks for updating the novice, which I include myself. You have many non-farmers on your channel, and we appreciate the details. The fields are looking good. Thanks again.
Here in Mississippi if a fence is there & been there 10yrs that became the property line !! But if no fence well that can fix the old timers mistake !!
America's Dad!! Dougo!! Happy fathers day Dougo! Always here with sound advice and a good dad joke to make us laugh
Land rolling goes on in loads of countries
Good evening Happy Father's Day really enjoy the channel and Happy Father's Day to all from Richmond Virginia 🚜🇺🇸
Doug, I enjoy watching your son's youtube channel. Happy Father's day!
You guys fight the decision about the property line, I sure would have
Dougo......I love hearing your stories ❤️
Love life according to Doug you can see how it is going to turn out god bless you Doug and the whole family
Love ya'll guys going to a job Monday I don't want but I've got to take would love to be working with y'all y'all late my life better
Thank you for taking the time to take us along. I know it adds time to your day. Much appreciated.
I love your videos Dougo and I love your family the unity and the love you have for each other .Be well much love from Ohio
I always wondered what land rolling did. Thanks for the informative video Dougo. Keep up the great videos.
Summers Mfg originally started in Maddock,ND. The main office is in Devils Lake, ND. Dougo's videos are fun to watch as well as the rest of them. Keep up the good videos
Most property"s have corner pins, markers, designated trees, with witness trees sometimes, The deed should tell the number of degrees, angle from that point along with distance along to next marker.