Brian Burke: Players Should Accept Some Responsibility For Babcock Firing | Tim and Sid
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Brian Burke joined Tim and Sid to discuss the Maple Leafs firing Mike Babcock, saying he isn't totally surprised but the players need to take accountability as well.
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You know it's serious when Burke actually wears his tie...
XD
Hahahahahahahaha
Couldn't find his handkerchief.
@@schmingusss calling someone by their nickname means they wanna suck them off?
@@schmingusss When Brian Burke came to TO, he insisted that players and some others call him Burkie.
Burkes secertly dying of laughter inside
Loui Eriksson I know I am
Lol oh definitely
just retire already
Hey Loui looking lazy this year
Kai Wong when did Babcock coach in Anaheim?
Burke hit the nail on the head here. I actually didn’t mind listening to him
He’s a great analyst. Just don’t let him be a GM again lol
5:34 The only cup this punk will ever raise
Fax
Wade B yup he looks overrated 🤣
Which is precisely 1 more cup than the punk who win's NO cups and who sits on youtube all day calling other people punks for getting off their asses and achieving something.
when you can't outscore your crappy defense you are toast. this new coach isn't gonna change anything, the Leafs have no cap space. this team won't even get the chance to lose in the first round.
They were barely even scoring before though....I don't think Babcock was the only problem, but I certainly think he was one of the problems
The only thing they can do is give up one of the big $ forwards and bring in some decent defense - without D, they're goners...
So what would you do if they missed the playoffs
Tear it all down!!!!
winnipeg makes it work regardless of the dmen, INCLUDING lifetime AHL defensemen!! this is not a personnel issue, its a coaching and systems issue. we all watch the same games, and see the exact same breakouts, same breakins, same defensive schemes, and the entire league has them figured out! how many times is it a turnover in the o-zone or the neutral zone that leads to a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2, which is where a lot of the goals end up coming from. or how many of the goals come from the other team passing the puck on the outside, along the boards, then getting a free guy break out in front for a 1-on-0 play against the goalie? these are all due to bad assignments, bad matchups, poor defensive schemes. the players can learn to play better defence, but they have not, and we can't expect the players to just TEACH THEMSELVES how to play d!! that is ALL the coaching!
Burke commenting on anything to do with the Leafs makes me angry considering the state he left the team in when he got fired
Burke is the only cool guy left at spots-net
Nope, Marek is cool.
Who’s that?
@@chrisallen669 exactly.
Craig Gagnon That guy is awful
Dangle?
Remember what Ovi said... do you want a championship or play for yourself?
@Dr. Andrew M. Goodman Screw Ovie. Yhea I said it. Screw him. I want to win championships AND I want to play with myself.......and I want to do both of these things a lot, almost constantly and without a break. These either/or questions are for weak minded people. They're a real drag on a man's drive. If Ovie was honest, he's not elite enough to go for both. Cups and masturbation ftw. Be elite, be prepared to take it all or dont bother showing up. Ovie can clean the jizz stains off my gear while I'm showing my cup and my ring to his girlfriend. Bet thats some mental imagery you neither asked for, and didn't want, but thats the elite mindset.........I want it all and I will not compromise, not even for gap tooth russian legend hockey gods.
@@stevebell4853 who hurt u
"They overpaid the top players by 5 million and could spend that on a defenceman that they need" Or, you know, not pay Ceci 4.5 million and spend that on a D-man or 2
AustonNyMarner Ceci is worth every penny to me hehehehe
AustonNyMarner it’s a cap dump deal. If he went to arbitration, his old salary is taken into account and realistically they needed bodies at that point in time. Holl didn’t play so it was unknown if he could plug into the bottom 6. Paying ceci 4.5 for this year is well worth getting rid of that albatross of a contract that LOU signed. They don’t have a first year because of lou. Realistically, next year is first year of Dubas having space to create his own roster without having to fix old mistakes.
Skynertia mate, they wasn’t forced to trade for him. Just leave him out in the trade and it’s all fine. They didn’t even need to retain Ceci
@@graemehenry2511 you didnt have to pay him though, just dont qualify him and let him walk on july 1st., then use that money on other Dmen or as cap flexibility to make another trade for one
Barney Blue yeah I totally agree. I think they should’ve let them walk and that was a management issue I agree. But with that mistake, at least it’ll be just this year
Who else feels like that the problem is Dubas not Babcock they paid millions of dollars on players who are under preforming which leaves them with little money to spend
Noah Martins about to find out! I think Dubas’s philosophy is flawed.
I'm not blaming the firing on Mitch but if Mitch would take a pay cut of a million dollars maybe they wouldn't be in such a hole
We will see if dubas system can translate to the nhl on a consistent basis he will be next on chopping block if this team doesn’t get rolling.
Those players are 22 years old
"Sad day for Mike Babcock and his family. They're humiliated" Dude and his family have millions Im sure they will be fine Burke...
epicphailure88 probably still get paid next few years if he wanted to sit on the couch
Yeah good move fire the coach! PFFFT!! You have 4 STAR players making half the salary cap that can't do jack! And the defensive core playing like they're in the AHL man! I've been into hockey for 50 years and you can't put this all on the coach!!!! Marner Matthews nylander Tavares need to step it up or trade one of them because all these guys give a s*** about is their own stats and not playing as a team! Sad day!
" GO LEAFS GO "
HOCKEY HELL YA...I apologize everybody but Matthews...Now watch we win the next 5/7 games cuz the teams blow, and everyone goes "HEY WHAT A GREAT MOVE" LMAO.." GO LEAFS GO "
Which team would pick up those salaries? Most teams don't have the cap space.
I found the boomer
There's no way the Leafs could have got those 4 forwards for 5 million less. No way. At most 3 million. At most. That's 750K less for each player. But Tavares was a free agent and Matthews is the type of player you don't battle with. You get him signed.
So the 2 problem contracts are Marner and Nylander. You get them at 750K less that's only 1.5 million more for the cap. That's 2 minimum wage players.
jayvardy how did all those other RFA’s on other teams get signed for less then? No other team systematically overpaid multiple players like the Maple Leads did.
@@chevelle1 if you were GM and Auston Matthews came in and said "I am not playing for any less than 11.5, period." wtf are you going to do? You're going to sign him, that's what you are going to do.
@@chevelle1 The Oilers did that years ago with their 3 young stars and that didn't go well. Taylor Hall was worth it, and then the idiot GM traded him away for a second pair defensemen. And the Leafs players weren't that overpaid. Maybe by a million here or there.
That Dubas video holding the Cup with the Marlies is hilarious
Liam Ceccacci Dumbass sucks
Dubas will be next, if things do not improve dramatically!
And that will be as much of an overreaction as this was. The players aren’t preforming, this is 100% on them.
Not surprising. Same old story, the players all signed their fat cat contracts so time to take it easy.
EXACTLY! You knew this was going to happen.
@@nicholasavramis2576 especially when you overpay you players.
now when the leafs continue to suck they can’t blame the coach
@@daniellee7355 And Barrie.
thats why i like the move so much
@@poejavelski148 and Rielly...
Kazuhira Miller Well ya the whole D sucks ass I was just talking about the bottom tier ones.
what happened ?? last year they were so good
Tim and sid a bunch of bums
Why is he talking? Isn’t he responsible for that terrible era a few years back
He admitted that.
Yup LOOOL
The terrible era that’s coming is going to be far worse lol
ApeHead how do you figure it could possibly be worse? Lol
If you didnt like watching the leafs have the most pm and fights in the year and make the playoffs. In 2012 13... Then yeah you are right. I enjoyed it though. The ten 9 years prior to that were brutal. Im thankful for Burke
the players don't care.relax they are getting their $$$$$$$
totally right
On the positive side, its unlikely that the Leafs get beat in the first round of the playoffs against Boston this year! ;-)
Jim L yeah cause they ain’t makin the ploffs
Yep we will play Washington and kick there ass that's a good point. My 3 therapists suggested I be more positive
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@@arathonbow431 Maybe yesterday's caps without a bunch of key players ;-)
@@arathonbow431 lol do you use the same dr. as dangle? I hear he is really good...... 😂😎
Wrong. They play Boston, the leafs will get swept.
Prediction:
Red wings win another cup before the leafs do.
Keith Winter prediction: Every team will win another cup before the leafs do.
Nope
i buy it
The players took cash over cups it’s not the 90’s anymore boys!
Once Anderson is gone... This team will be the next senators.
Raz Matazz haha they are worse than the senators. How sad is that.
Seriously tho... leafs fans are laughing at sens fans when there not to far behind from continuously being a joke of a franchise even after this “rebuild”
A series of bad timing issues by Shanahan created this management problem. Hires Babcock. Then Dubas but cuts Lamarello who had experience. Dubas to no fault couldnt hire his man (coach.) Try working for a new boss when the one that hired you was let go. Classic business model for failure.
Steve Bator Except Lou was never cut nor fired. Lou was enticed by the headhunters of NY Islanders and gave Lou the job he had with Jersey before being recruited by Shanahan. Lou left in good standing.
When Sheldon Keefe had suitors at the end of last year and re-signed, the writing was on the wall. It wasn't about when, but how soon Babs would get canned.
Fine point friend
I wanted the sabres to get him but once he was signed I knew he would be the next leafs coach automatically
Please, for the love of everything holy, stop saying Burkie. It's embarrassing.
He always insisted that people call him Burkie.
Okay, we need Burke to fill the Coach's Corner vacancy. So intelligent, eloquent and makes EXCELLENT points.
they are the same points any dumbass off the street would make
Brian Burke points were all on point. This is GM fault. No Back up Goalie. No playoff chance.
Burkie. Truth was Babs wouldn’t change his ways and the team is offensive juggernaut and Babs wanted a defensive team just not their style for success. Let’s get another W for Shelton Keefe
This Sheldon Keefe thing will probably be a disaster
Yep... and it's going to much worse
Yep
already a disaster. You cant lose anymore
@@daniellee7355 good luck kiddo!
Dougie wanna bet on that?
They wanted him out, the players that is. Not surprised
Dubas needs to change as well.
I hope he comes back to the red wings and they win the cup before Toronto does.
It's not Babcock 's fault, I know he has to be the fall guy cuz the players are bulletproof. But between the lockout in 2004-05 and the hiring of Babs in 2015-16 they made the playoffs ONCE in 12 years. Then they make it 3 straight years under Babs, and HE'S the reason they can't get it done. No.
Its Dubas blowing his load on 4 guys and not having much depth offensively, poor D and subpar goaltending with no backup. If anyone should be faulted its Dubas.
The Leafs and the Curse of Harold Ballard goes on.
In Harold Ballard's day he was too cheap to pay for good players and good coaches. And the teams were bad.
In the era of Dubas and Shanahan, they are too extravagant when it comes to paying good coaches (supposedly) and good players. And the team is bad.
Both situations have similar problems.
I was a long-time hockey coach. After many years of coaching, I realized the following:
95% of coaching success comes from the players. How skilled they are, how self-motivated they are, and how selfless (team-minded) they can be.
At MOST .... 5% of a team’s success can be attributed to the coach.
Sorry to share this secret to those who think that hockey coaches actually make a difference. 5% folks !!!!
Thank you Mike for your commitment to trying to build a team focused on two way 60 minute hockey. You brought us consecutive improved points each year you were here and 3 years of playoffs. It's a damn shame that their are two many individuals on the team that are committed to themselves rather then executing the plan you have given them. But most of all its a shame that you have a GM who is so short sided to think that speed and skill on its own instead of skill and will is what wins championships. For some reason, it feels like this organization is as bad as it ever was (they did going into Arizona to deflect from Auston Matthews return and potential local press heat on his summertime incident cause they know mass Toronto media herd would show up) and I am ashamed to call myself a Leaf fan. While I always will be, it's losing steam It shouldn't of been you Babs.
I always feel sorry for people who make millions a year when they get fired I stay up late worrying about them how they'll manage this cold nasty winter!, Where they going to get food? Where will they live? Do they have a car? Warm clothes?...etc
Everything Burke has said I’ve been saying since training camp. I’m not a leaf fan(thank god). This is all on Dubas. What’s his claim to fame?. Done nothing at the NHL level. Epic fail.
The defense was always a problem. It's just that the forwards scored 5 goals a game and covered up their massive deficiencies back there. When they stopped scoring 5 a game, they sucked.
Paulafan5 if you’re allowing 6 a game but scoring 5, it’s still a loss. With this team’s firepower, most nights 3 goals should be enough to win. The leafs are in most games allowing 4 goals. The neglected a huge part of the team when they built the blue line. Your defensemen need to play defense
Babcock is solely responsible smh His own abhorrent actions caused his firing & it should have happened sooner! Can't blame players for not going all out for an ignorant @ss who tries to destroy them personally ugh
Gotta see it: players played a part in team being bad
Pastrnak making $6.66m and winning the Rocket Richard race right now. Where is Nylander?
maxpowr90
In good spot now that egocock is gone !!!!!
Nylander now can be the player he is is capable of being
Boston hit the jackpot on that deal ,pasta seems happy enough why aren’t you
Come to Vegas as an Assistant or something he’s definitely still a good Hockey mind!
Too bad, the players didn't stand up for their coach. HEART!
WHAT A HEARTBREAK...
It's hard to when the coach wouldn't stand up for most of the players.
The problem is the GM. He is soft.. just like his roster. Bring in some character guys in to set the tone. Just a bunch of sweet hearts.
Hockey and all professional sports is fixed anyway, why comment on anything?
Stuff never gets old. So happy that tavares went to that shipwreck.
Any salty leafs fans out there?
No tears for the Leafs and their fans from me.
The players sent Babcock packing. The power of the collective.
fire buddy holly too
I love Babs! I think Dubas needs to go, those contracts are brutal!! And no back up come on boys!! Shanaplan is a fail.
Jay Pierre so Shanny should go to
The only thing I can say is before people say they overpaid people who are under performing, they didn’t for-see them playing bad. That being said they are really overpaid
Babcock **still** makes $6.25M/year. He is just fine.
Who knows, last year St. Louis in January was the worst team in the league and fired their coach, and made the playoffs…
Shalom Aleichem that was after they made the change
Shalom Aleichem I see where you’re coming from the blues were MISERABLE before we went on our run!!
Blues had great pieces, but the Leafs don't.
He has a good point. Why did Brendan Shanahan allow this this to happen? Constructing a soft team, overpaying players. Self-inflicted.
You're going to give him a chance, what's that??? 3 games, 4? Burke got a big mouth, easy from the other side of the bench
When u have a lazy team full of premodannas it isn't the coaches fault. U have players in Toronto not a team. That's ur problem
Wings couldn't get Babcock to the airport fast enough
I'm proud of Burke...he didn't immediately jump to overpaying Nylander...he's learning he'll probably be wrong about that one.
I've crossed paths with Burke on the street he is an imposing individual
Burkie is brilliant! Could listen to him all day... Sublime
Not a fan of Brian Burke but he was spot on!
Dubas messsed this up really bad, Babcock ------> Scapegoat
In the end spoilt kids were worried about money instead of playing the game, not the coaches fault the last few years the kids were worried about getting paid instead of playing def
According to insiders in the know Dubas isn’t answering Matthews phone calls. Matthews wants out. He will get some sort of minor surgery in the next month in order to get out of this season.
Source??
Everything went down hill when lou left.
Everything has been down hill since 67
“He is a good coach, he is a good person.”
2 lies in a row
And now we learn the room was toxic. They got "out worked" cause they played to get the coach fired
Minnesota should call him...he would be a perfect fit !
As a Wild-fan, I do hope so.
Minnesota could do with a massive change like this. But I'd say take that low finish this season get the high pick then make the bigger changes in the off-season.
No he would not...
He’s a cancer..
no clue why they had to pay Ceci 4.5 , at least it's only for one year
I'm fairly certain that was through arbitration
Jesus Sportsnet what is with that God awful 15 second outro at the end of every video? It's so loud and obnoxious atleast turn it down a bit
Should have picked up Casey desmith when he was put on waivers. Should now get Corey Schneider.
How do they get Schneider and fit in his $6 million cap hit?
@@mikeadams4605 true didn't think ab that. Good point my bad
Desmith is better than Schneider he sucks
Coming to the Maple Leaf organization is usually where you come to end you career. Eg. Belfour, Joseph, Ron Wilson..
But if Bab's isn't done, I hope he joins a team and takes them to the Cup to rub it in the Leafs' faces. But in all honesty, I think they should've fired Nylander though.
You can't fire a player dumbasss
bring the Marley's up and bench the Leafs bench the whole damn team
Day Late Amen
You mean the Marlies lol Marley's like Bob Marley sons
Damian Marley would be a solid backup goalie
god are you 90 years old? go watch gretzky highlights lol
so now its back to another 5 year rebuilding plan............... lets go.
Fire dubas now.
Shanahan please retire or give us a real g.m? .
Haha Leafs, still embarrassing. Love it, you not winning jack without D or gritty players.
Facts
I think the majority of players did not like him in that room, there glad he's gone lol
How the hell do you know lol. You’ve never been back there and neither have I.
Spoiled kids don't like discipline.
He should have benched them all and called up AHL players. That'll send a message real quick. You don't want to work then you get no ice time and you can explain your attitude to the GM and agent.
John S Well if Mike didn’t do it, Boston sure as hell did.
There was already public issues between Babcock and Matthews. Also the way Spezza was treated probably killed the room.
I’ve been hearing the same speech about the Leafs for 45 years. Some white-haired Toronto guy preaching about what the Leafs have to do to compete.
How do Maple Leaf fans continue to follow this team?
the nylander contact was the worst. Hes not a bad player but why did he think he should get payed like a star? I remember specifically he said that he wanted "draisaitl money", well look where draisitl is right now. how are you going to say u deserve the kind of paper he is getting?
When Barrie speaks up you know something's BROKEN
Barrie had a great game last night! Looks like he might thrive under the change! If you are interested I posted some videos on my channel about Babcock and Keefe!
Overpaid players, no toughness, not going anywhere in playoffs no money left for D or toughness.
The team plays the way Dubas looks. A little goofy....not very strong...easy to push around. And not one once of grit or toughness evident at all.
Self inflicted salary cap problem= big mistake. Reward NyL etc.. for me vs team players, no back-up goalie.. Is Dubas making big mistakes... Major roster chg this yr/trades. Now forcing Keefe into nhl w no prep/learning as assistant gives him a big/unnecessary risk of failing due to no prep.. All to save GM job.
Why is Brian Burke so mad at the Leaf players? Does he work for the Leafs? What is it to him? Isn't he supposed to be an objective analyst? Yes, he worked for the Leafs but he worked for a lot of teams in the NHL. I think Brian Burke, who I used to respect, is a shameless homer and I can't take seriously half the things he says in the way of "analysis". Hell, every player he talks about he has to preface his comments with, "Oh, I loved that kid" or "Oh he's a great kid" or "He's a great person". Brian Burke is the opposite of objective analysis.
GOOD BYE BABCOCK!!!!!! Glad to see you go!!!! Now the boys can play their game again!!!! Sit back, relax and count the goals now!!!!! Good day for TORONTO!!!! This guy needs to shut up...pooooor babcock MY ASS!!!!
Should have named Mark Hunter the GM and give his brother Dale Hunter the Head coaching job. No other team has had more success in hockey than those two guys!!! They took the Knights from a team that's never won a Championship to winning 2 memorial cups and 4 OHL titles!!!
first it's babcocks fault, now they are taking aim at the players, it has become a festering pool of it's their fault? when the management traded away the only leaf goaltender, that had potential MCElhinney and replaced him with sivs, that couldn't stop a puck with a "BUS" oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive who is responsible for MCElhinney's departure who in between seasons removed a good number of players that babcock had trained into effective players, needing only more experience? who replaced those players with players not familiar with the babcock format, and how can a goalie play a stanley cup style of hockey, one game, or one period? leaf management is done, shannahan, will be the next to fall off the podium, with dubas taking his place, things that happen so fast, can only be done, if a plan had been put in play??? Just asking Questions
But if they had 5 million for a d-man, they would have wasted it on Jake Gardiner, who in case people aren't paying attention is on pace for something resembling 20 points and -45, as opposed to bringing back a Hainsey, even though they already have too many Gardiner types and not enough Hainsey types(if any)
Hahahahahahahahaha the leafs are so incompetent hahahahahahahahaha
If you don't mind I'll join you...........LPOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Another Screwup done by the City that Thinks the World Revolves around them. They pay a coach over 6 million a year and throws the rest of the League in Turmoil with the other Coaches. I have said this for years....The only thing Sweeter then a Flames Victory...is a Leaf Loss. Toronto has the Dumbest fans in the League and Montreal has the Worst Fans in the League.
Dubas has until April 4th.2020. If they don't make the playoffs. MLSE will not accept the loss of playoff revenue. Dubas better hope his system of speed and skill work in a hurry....
How does Freddie get paid less than some of the others!? He plays well all the time! Stupid... take some responsibility. I have been a die hard fan for years... sheesh.
burke is so clueless wtf is he saying..... the players just arent playing hard? um, no thats not the reason we have system breakdowns, players out of position, predictable breakouts and breakins, bad defensive assignments, etc... be real
Lol...theres 59 games left...relax...do you guys really think nobody else in the east will go on a slump??? Look at the east standings...aside from boston and the caps every other team can be had...leafs will be fine...
I'm not a fan of the leafs but I was really liking the direction they were heading before they paid those spoiled brats the big bucks. Now I just see greed from them. Money before cups I guess.
Ask Mike Commodore what he thinks.
The one slight disagreement I have here is that no changes were made to the lineup. Actually the injuries did force Babcock to do some changes and the players didn't really respond. So we will see.
Leafs need a stud D man, trade Willy for one or a 1st and get a guy.. ELC contract for 3yrs, that's the cup window.. we need 1 more year to tank need that stud