I've studied Japanese for half my life
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A man spent half his life studying the Japanese language: this is what happened to his brain.
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I moved to Japan a couple of weeks ago. I’m half Japanese but grew up in America and Mom spoke fluent English so she never taught us. I had always love Japan and anime, a lot of my motivation of coming here based in. Despite studying all throughout Highschool I never caught on past learning Hiragana and Katakana as well as a few words. I’ve been studying a lot more as I’m actively living with my Grandparents and wanting to talk to them. I’ve felt a lot of pressure to become fluent despite only being here for a couple of weeks. This video has given me a new perspective of what it means to be passionate about something. So far I’m enjoying my time here and I’m trying to see my learning as ways I can connect with others rather than a chore of studying
@@MimisRoom333 wow I'm really glad to hear you liked the video! がんばって！
I’ve been learning Japanese on and off for almost half my life, and I loved this video. My motivation for learning the language has always been the enjoyment of learning it. I’m just a nerd with a hobby-I love memorizing characters and struggling with basic grammar points, especially now that I’m in university where almost all my classes are STEM. The struggle to learn is my reason to learn. If I could press a button and be fluent in Japanese, I wouldn’t. I can’t imagine learning this language, having a terrible time with it, and continuing to learn it to the point of more-or-less fluency… Hope this video blows up!
1:59 when people ask me why i want to learn japanese i dont really have a tangible reason. I have always wanted to learn a language, and i like japanese media. I dont have any grand plans. I just have self satisfaction.
this is basically how i am/why i started, i always grew up with japanese media be it anime/music/games/etc and i dont really see it as "motivation" as much as just a simple reason to why exactly i want to: because its kinda already around me and most things i seek in my own time is usually or surrounding japanese, so i just figured one day "why not? its contributing to the culture & language anyways"
language learning doesnt *need* a big reason or motivation, just a personal enjoyment and commitment for one reason or another, ill be doing the same with mexican spanish
just say you're a weeb. and thats okay
18歳の日本人です。言語の能力を４つ（もしくはそれ以上）に分けて、一つ優れている状態にいると感じるならば他の部分で負い目を感じる必要はないというのが、ユニークながらとても納得できる説明だと感じました。
Tell yourself to quit. You'll probably say no. Ask yourself why not. That's your motivation.
It certainly seems like you could spend years chasing improvements. I'd never really considered learning Japanese until my cousin started recently and I looked into it; probably why I got this video recommended. I haven't bothered to try myself yet because I'm likely never going to live in Japan, or work there, or even take the JLPT... But I can't lie, purely from a curiosity standpoint, it would be interesting to see if I could read it in 5-6 years provided I really did commit to learning x words a day etc. Years ago I had a couple weeks at my high-school with Japanese classes for a languages event (I still remember 0-10 and the kana from then) and it was actually a lot of fun.
okay you make amazing videos, like, really good ones. i'll never try to learn japanese cuz i'm trying to learn english first lol
and its funny how u represent yourself in nekojiru's style.
thank you so much
how does this have so little views!!!
it came out 1 day ago?
I like the video. I agree. All I want is to play classic survival horror games and JRPGs and a majority of those are expensive in English but cheap in Japanese. I get excited thinking about finally being able to play them one day.
I think embracing "asymmetric proficiency" is pretty solid advice. For the last few years, I've been focusing mostly on listening/vocabulary, because it's the only skill I need atm (my girlfriend talks to me and our son in Japanese) and it helps with the other skills to some extent.
Kids do full-time listening and speaking for like 6 years, so I guess when I'm learning a language as different as Japanese, I can't expect to get good at everything at the same time by investing "only" a few hours per day.
SAMEEE. IM STUCK IN ASYMMETRIC PROFICIENCY
And putting off reading helps your pronunciation
I don't care what anyone says, I will get that #1 Dork trophy.
This was an instant subscribe, I'm blown away by this video. This is exactly why I come to UA-cam-genuine thoughts from small creators. Your aesthetic, editing, and delivery were perfectly executed. Thank you for sharing such a genuine message, your perspective and earnestness is so refreshing.
Yah. Small creators are the wave now bro.
Watching through this whole thing made me realize just how high expectations are from people who don't even know me. It stresses me out when I'm supposed to be learning this simply because I love the language. So often I hear about "How to learn quickly and efficiently" or "How to become fluent in 2,3,4 years" Which all become rigorous programs where you subscribe most of your daily life to trying to force yourself to quickly understand a language that more likely than not isn't even spoken around you if you're a foreigner. It becomes so easy to forget that I'm learning Japanese simply because I love how the language sounds and half the media i consume is in Japanese. Hearing the words "Nobody expects you to be fluent" Felt sorta freeing. I have to remember I'm doing this for me, not for others to suddenly be impressed by how amazing I am at it. Thanks internet cat.
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this is terribly relatable and covers a lot of stuff that surprisingly doesn't get talked about within the community that only has like 5 things to talk about.
i was told when I started learning by many people who were already very proficient in the language to "just have fun", and while I understood what they meant it really only sunk in about a year ago when I realized how miserable I was learning this language. I never had really any motivation issues but I was constantly comparing myself to these people doing 11-12 hours of immersion a day and was always jealous that they were progressing faster than I was. I think I was constantly telling myself that I was enjoying the process while in reality I was pretty miserable trying to meet these impossible expectations I had given myself. Fortunately I'm at a place where I can just enjoy content without really "studying" which certainly makes the process of having fun easier but I wish I had really tried to adapt that mindset much sooner.
Also nice music choices :)
@@d0xter742 nice fefe pic
amazing video, im currently in a state where i cant read as much as i can listen and speak (fairly high skill level), and you really drove the whole topic on saturation home while arguing its validity at all, it indeed has been a turbulent time in the algorithm as of late and i never really felt like i related to much of the motivational topics, you’re the first person to convince me it really is okay to not be fluent, and from now on i’ll truthfully pursue enjoying what i CAN do with japanese now
for context i used to be really afraid to never be perfectly able to translate my personality directly into japanese, I had come incredibly far with the language but i felt like trying to express deep emotions made me really upset at my inability, so thank you for this i think im way more relieved in general and feel like i should reevaluate what i truly want to do when interacting with others in the language
Really enjoyed the video. I've also had been learning Japanese for half my life through traditional study (grammar guides, vocabulary, kanji practice) but didn't get far in terms listening/speaking. Met a friend from Japan a year ago and attempted speaking with little success with 12 years which led to my own shift in terms of my language goals which now wanting to be able to communicate. Started using immersion methods like Refold just doing 4 hours a day and been making noticeable progress, understanding a little more as I go.
The beauty of learning a language is it's a process you make it your own, goals may change which could motivate you to experiment with it. Some people may just want to be able to read manga but don't care much on speaking or writing which is totally okay.
I came to realize that the feeling of pressure is probably what slowed down my learning process and I 100% agree that such a process is made to be taken slowly. It's like a journey with winding roads - If you go too fast, the turns would be hard to make.
I'm not studying japanese but I can still relate in my language studies
I’m Japanese and have never been abroad. I’ve never really needed to use English, but I study it as a hobby. I spend most of my day learning English, even though I don’t really have to. It’s just fun to see how I’m getting better and better at understanding what English-speaking VTubers are saying. It feels strange but exciting at the same time.
youre so real for that
i went to uni for japanese(japanology to be precise but god damn was the research part a chore) too for basically the same reason: lack of 'real' progress/motivation for learning on my own but yea, nah, that didnt work for me either(burnout wahoo). so i changed my major and just went back to ' open (un/translated) japanese game/vocaloid song and see how much i understand. if i dont understand anything? so be it, im there for the graphics mainly/its just for fun anyways, ill just look up what catches my interest(like repeated word combinations) ' (thats kinda what im planning to do wirh any language i wanna learn since i decided on that 'method': just find media to try to understand for myself+bonus points: having an incomplete understanding kinda spawns its own ideas, its been a few times where some absentminded incorrect translation in my mind gave me an idea for a story(which i forgot now tho))
i sometimes looked up things like 'how to stay motivated while learning japanese' (before that 1 year of uni japanese) and bruh, the whole notion of 'you need to be really invested into the thing(learning japanese), or else youll never get anything done' is just. . .what?. . .how the hell is that supposed to motivate anyone?? (the professors at uni kinda were like that too. some bs like 'only half of you will make it through the first semester, only 1/4 will continue and like 5 people will get the degree' gee thanks for the motivation :/)
i think the asymmetry concept actually applies pretty well to people who grew up with 2(+) languages either through school or home/life situations. cause i use the internet pretty much exclusively in english and occasionally any other language im interested in. so its some weird combination of:
speaking: german(i cant/have no in-person reason to speak eng(austria)) , writing/reading: english(i deadass need my mom to read me german texts cause that shit is unreadable) , (i think i generally have troubles with listening when it comes to details, cause im never sure if what im writing in a comment hasnt already been mentioned in the video itself(tho that might be more a second-guessing thing too/constant un-sure-ness if i understand things right))
(holy moly im even writing stream-of-conciousness-textwalls in yt comments now too guh)
Having things you're invested in really is essential tho, or else you run a really high risk of ending up seeing studying only as a chore
Carving out little spaces of your life purely in Japanese is excellent advice, I think; maybe a YT channel about travel, maybe a show or a short story, or even just some interactions in a social media
Nonetheless, you do need content to go on; languages exist to bond one to the other, and if in that language you don't have any media you're fond of or anyone you want to talk to why would you learn it in the first place? These are just my 2 cents on this topic, sorry if I've been rude
Now I'll go back to my HxH rewatch :-)
@@giuseppeagresta1425 nah, i didnt read that as rude :0
i think your advice really is the case for some people, just not me. in fact, it would actually make everything worse in my case =w= (something something pathological demand avoidance, or something similar/milder especially when it comes to personal intersts)
i havent read my own comment in a hot minute, but i think i remember writing something like 'i do have some interests which are coincidentally in the japanese language, so i sometimes try to understand those when i have the motivation' (if i havent written that then sorry)
my general reason for learning any language is always going to be a mix of 'it looks/sounds pretty' and 'i dont wanna rely on scuffed translation software(=wanting to be self reliant or something)' and the classic 'this cool person uses this language, i wanna understand what they do', and im very content with that as thats the only thing that works for me.
some people(me) cant live of 'strong interests'(i would rather stare at an ecxel sheet until my eyes dry out for my whole life than do anything creative as a job. the moment its a 'you HAVE/NEED to' its not fun anymore and i hate wasting my creativity on that(source: i was in art/media school and that ruined my passion for anything creative. i still havent recovered from those shitty 5 WHOLE YEARS to a point where im lucky if i had the IDEAS to draw a single thing)) and will get burnout real fast (source: me with literally any interest in things, first its 'yo this is cool(='manic')' then 180 'holy shit if i see this thing one more time im eating sand(='over saturation/chore')' to half a year later 'yea this is pretty cool =w= (=chill, occasional ebb-flow interest)')
(sorry if i missed any points or misunderstood anything/tied them incorrectly/messily into other points)
Nice video. Admittedly I thought this video would talk about how try-hard "Learning Japanese" communities have become (rather a specific part of them), but I guess not. Though I like the conclusions of this video. It's not a race, but an endurance marathon, and also it's not a life or death scenario (as these try-hards would make you assume it is). Anyways, I also want to learn Japanese since I like the media a lot. But honestly for me, my issue was just ADHD/not actually doing it. Like, I kept putting it over for years, only to realize I ultimately didn't do much. In reality, you have to work on a goal everyday in order to realize it. Studying Japanese as a native English speaker is obviously a bit difficult, but so long as you keep on working on it dear reader, you too can learn it. Anyways, thank you for reading internet stranger. Goodbye.
Even though I am not learning Japanese (I'm learning Spanish), I watch these kinds of videos for my best friend who is. However, this video was really encouraging to me as someone who has no "good" reason to be learning Spanish. I honestly just think it's really cool language and it's fun to learn. I've never thought of myself as a hobbiest in the language, but in all actuality, that's what I am and it feels good to say that. It takes the pressure off of me needing to be properly "fluent" and allowing me to just have fun which is really my whole purpose in learning. Thanks for the awesome video. 😊
I'm language enthusiastic, and I got the opportunity to study multiple languages at school. Thanks to it, I'm still passionate about learning them even after my school years has ended. I'm honest, I'm "broken" speaker even in languages I'm fluent at. Sometimes I feel like studying for the sake of studying isn't something I wanted to pursue so I gave myself a break, and I haven't tried to learn a new language since then.
I studied total of 6 languages, but I'm fluent 3 out 6. No means, my goal was never being "knowing how to speak" rest of 3 (which I only learnt the basics of, and that's it). I'm more curious of the languages because there's something that I can learn from such as the country's history, cuisine, the people and whatever content I consume specially on the internet.
It was lovely finding this video, I love watching YT LMAO
You're just like me, honestly. Learning Japanese in younger teen years and falling off the productivity and motivation trend. This video helped me a lot with not being so hard on myself and just...take it in and learn as organically as possible without barriers. Thank you dude.
yokoso, watashi no dork society
bro thinks he's dorkaizen
consistency > motivation. I honestly dont really have a good reason to learn japanese rn, i just started one day and stayed consistent with practicing vocab and such
So this is what Nyatta from Nekojiru it’s doing right now!
solid video (comment for the algorithm, hoping the video get more recognition)
real quality videos. keep it up!!!
Damn this is great
this was actually really encouraging to hear
This video is exactly for me, thank you.
N5, failed N4 (didn't get 5 pts to pass) and now struggle learning for N3 at the 4th year of my Japanese school. After watching I felt a little relief and started to learn at home once again, as an old nerd with a hobby ^^
I know it sounds dramatic, but I really needed this thought-piece. Thank you.
I really like this video because someone finally says that learning something doesn't have to he a dreadful competition and instead its something fun you could do
I'm learning japanese but honestly i dont have a solid reason... but i still have really strong motivation to learn and understand. you may ask why... idk.. maybe im curious about what japanese people are saying 😂 but honestly its such a fun language i just love learning it
ps: i also like the style of your video, the music, and the moving background. thanks for this video
From someone who has also spent a similar amount of time studying the language to varying degrees of intensity, thank for making this video!! A lot of people around these discussions of learning Japanese kinda have a all or nothing mentality. It's either JLPT N1 and consuming Japanese media literally 24/7 or nothing basically, while not even enjoying the learning road to get there tbh. You have a really insightful perspective I think a lot of people can take notes from!
This was a fun little descent into your brainspsce. I enjoyed it a lot. Kinda reasurring.
I think I do *want* to be fluent in japanese, and kind of as an excercise in discipline, but more in the meditating every day kind of practice in displine rather than a inhaling tear gas in bootcamp kind of way. There's stuff I want to do with the language and I want to enjoy that stuff but to do that stuff I have to enjoy learning the language before or alongside it, and in enjoying the learning I both have fun and become better (in some nebulous sense) both in the language itself and in other ways.
I couldn't endure japanese if it was a grind. The first month or two I was anxious every time I opened anki but once I realized that I did retain at least a few things even when I didn't practice for a while I stopped worrying over the practice. I am on the ride for basically forever but I like the ride so I hope I stay on it for the rest of my life (or not, who knows lol)
thanks for making this video. Now I have a cat manga to add to my to-read list.
I love this video, personally I don't really have a tangible goal with japanese except being able to somewhat function in that language. Say being able to read a random tweet, understand a video or most of a relatively simple piece of media.
Hearing you talk about the obsessive and discipline-oriented approach people tend to have is really refreshing, I'm teaching myself the language so Reddit has always been my savior, there's great stuff on those subreddits, but they are also a massive source of imposter syndrome. We have to understand and remember that there's a massive selection bias on there, it's nerds who are obsessed enough that they make spreadsheets with everything they learn and try to be AS optimal as possible in their learning, and they might really make amazing progress in a short amount of time. BUT as you mentioned, it's fine, normal and healthy to try some stuff that doesn't end up working, and the "less optimal" thing might be more fun and less daunting to you, which ends up letting you learn more.
Personally I started during the first covid lockdown and for like 5 months i studied intensively like 6 hours a day, a lot of grammar and textbook stuff, because it felt like a controlled environment and i actually enjoyed it. It built a good base, but then as I started having stuff to do again, I just COULDN'T study like that anymore, and nothing seemed to click for me so every few months i ran to reddit in hopes to find a way to not "waste" what I had already done. This lasted for years until a few months ago, because of how much I feared mostly relying on immersion even though it's exactly what I need at this point.
And THAT'S what really taught me what works for me, I like some kind of organized learning such as a textbook. Right now for Kanji in my case (my weak point), which I also practice by reading "in the wild". Spaced Repetition is frustrating to me, I prefer just finding the same word organically until I learn it. Sentence mining doesn't let me immerse into the material so I don't do it. I also need to often remind myself that it's FINE if I don't look up everything, in the moment it feels like a waste but as an Italian person I learned English organically so why wouldn't I trust myself the same way with Japanese? Not having that granular approach lets me have so much fun and that's honestly underrated as a whole in the online learning community.
Also, I think we have opposite strengths. I have such an easier time listening even if it's really fast native material. Where as reading is scary to me and I'm working on it lol.
I thought I had written this comment myself, I've been through literally ALL the same things in my Korean learning journey, just now losing the fear of immersing as a way to learn in context and letting goof this crazy online language learning grind mindset.
@@analuisa9516 at first it's so hard to lose the constant crutch of using a textbook, but it's also so rewarding!
We'll get through it ahahha
Never thought id the nekojiru guy on UA-cam love that site
Oh my god, you're the one who translated the Nekojiru manga?!
I loved Nekojiru Udon, especially volume 1!!
But back then I couldn't find translations for anything past vol. 2 or any of her other works...
Anyway, can 100% confirm that learning Japanese works the best when you don't have a big goal or great aspirations.
I just know that I'll probably keep loving Japanese media no matter how old I get, so no matter how long it takes, I won't be in a hurry and can always enjoy the results :)
Yes that's me :) I didn't translate Udon 1 or 2 but I'm about to start translating udon 3 very soon
This has loooooong needed to be said. Thanks for the video!
Came for the story stayed for the art
nekojiru!
When learning japanese by being born and living in japan, the way you learn the language is mostly through social interaction (with parents, friends, peers, media, etc.), with an overall smaller amount being structured language study in school (at least in mandatory schooling). Because of this, I really don’t think it’s surprising that people can struggle so much with learning the language if it’s ALL just that structured hardcore language study. I agree with this video, I think learning a language should more be about just enjoying learning it, rather than seeing it as just a goal to be fulfilled. Not even the native speakers of a language learnt it that way.
15:31 Currently I'm doing language exchange videocalls with japanese people....1 hour everyday basically, and....omg my speaking skills are increasing a lot!, now....the problem is that if I stop doing videocalls then my speaking skills are going directly into the trash right?, plus in the country where I live japanese is not necessary!
Should I continue learning spoken japanese?
I think it’s really nice to have some more opinions on the language learning process. There’s no “wrong” way to learn something in my opinion, as everyone learns differently. What works for one person won’t work for everyone, so having someone speak against the normal flow of “hyper efficient, learn japanese as fast as possible” is really refreshing.
I’ve been learning for about 2 years now, and my “motivation” is really just enjoying stuff that comes out of Japan and wanting to read/play/watch it in its authentic form. I do find that just kinda letting stuff wash over me feels way better than obsessing over every word, grammatical structure, etc., as it tends to just wear me out.
Great video, and I wish all my fellow learners good luck in their efforts!
one of the best videos about learning Japanese especially how this community is
This video is brilliant. I have seen this idea that you need a good reason to learn Japanese all over online communities. It's usually said with so much conviction that it sent me into a panic. And ultimately made the experience worse for me. It's been such a fun hobby that has enriched my life in so many ways - for literally no reason other than because I thought it sounded like fun.
Thanks for putting words to a feeling I've been struggling with.
My thoughts exactly, great video dude! Verry based.
I have been on and off learning and interacting with this language for like 7 years with zero intention to visit there. Just a nerd with a hobby. Until our family vacation this moth. and man i got way better at reading than i expected, when moms hungry and cant read the menu. This almost primal 'LEARN TO READ OR FAMLY STARVE' was kind of exhilarating in retrospect. I think I might go back alone and actually try to study some kanji.
That and the unfortunate reality, Tokyo is 30% cheaper than my home town.
Thank you for this video. I was interested in Japanese since middle school, and have been learning it since then, but I have always been so anxious to prove myself to others in fear that they will see me as a wannabe. I'm a tad slow when it comes to verbalizing my thoughts and listening to other people's, so I was always very scared that people would belittle me for that when I spoke Japanese. I like your takes on language learning a lot, and thank you for making this video
you rock
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I tried learning japanese as a teenager but i couldnt sit thorugh and failed so miserably lmao, but i still have all of the materials
I am doing Chinese instead though and I honestly was struggling with some of these things, there are a lot of Hanzi and I want to read but it is difficult to read when there are a lot of Hanzi I don't even know how to pronounce. And that stresses me, its a similar feeling to not knowing a kanji. But I guess I should just keep going and don't stop reading something just because I don't know how it is pronounce, have a look at the unknown word and look it up later if it comes up often but dont beat myself over everything. I actually kind of came to this realization recently but I should apply it myself.
Once I'm comfortable reading Chinese (both modern and classical) to the level I want to I'll learn Japanese again. I started Chinese because I have some interests that make me make sense to want to learn it but I am neglecting my Japanese-based interests so I should do that as well. I did figure out that if I manage to learn Chinese, a language which also has Kanji but with which I have no previous experience nor baggage with, Japanese should be easy. And I'll be honest I don't care about fluency in either I just want to be able to read and listen to music.
I learned English and am learning Japanese to funpost (sh*tpost) on the internet. I just do it live with gtranslate, wiktionary, and jisho.
anything you make time for will click eventually. you cant remove a part of you if you put it in.
can't believe you're taking off hun
If been learning japanese for a solid 3-4 months now… and the only reason i have for learning it is that i want to visit japanese more then once in my life… and if u could get a good paying job in the engineering industry that i could also work and live there… this video made me look at the learning differently so it really helps…
Also proud to be your 846th subcriber from now on…
Keep it going m8
I love your videos ❤ that make me motivated and happy 😊 thanks for doing this one, as someone studying japanese, it's a nice reminder to have that motivation! (Mine is mainly that i'll get to understand hypmic media better 😅 but it evolved to many other reasons like maybe living there!)
I liked this video, i'm only learning japanese to read manga and other stuff.
i started only a few months ago and am currently learning it consistently, but i never really had a reason. i just like languages, and if my first self taught language can be something so different to english then that would be cool
I love the lucky star music in the backround
It's fun to learn Japanese. Never forget!
Amogus
@@OleksandrSe sus
Thousandth sub i think,,
nekojiru??!!
This deserves more attention. Keep it up
yeah well put man, i agree.
10:21 as a vocaloid dork I agree
What do you mean I'll never become fluent?!?!! 🥺🥺🥺
No but really, maybe you have a stricter view than I do when it comes to fluency? I hope I'll be able to eventually be capable of comprehension and forming my own thoughts in the language eventually 😂.
Overall great video, and pretty relatable. And I agree the intrinsic desire/interest to learn Japanese is enough for the motivation question.
I have thoughts in Japanese all the time- doesn't mean I can carry a conversation fluently
@@catsnest that part can definitely be disconnected...
Would we say someone who is illiterate isn't fluent? I don't think most would but I could be wrong 🤷♀️.
I wonder if what you're experiencing with speaking is the reverse of illiteracy?
Guess this also goes with the question of what it means to be fluent, and is definitely being above my academic scope 😂, but is interesting to explore nonetheless.
i took the n1 in 2017 was pretty EZ, still living in Tokyo
@@bjni swag!
2:09 I thought there was some kinda tomato sauce on my monitor, i even tried to wipe it off with my finger lol
And I thought you were crazy until I saw it
this is an amazing video
9:13 this was a jump scare after I learned this kanji just because I was sad and it’s fun to write
YEAH me too !! I didn't think I'd actually get to see it and understand it so soon.
your OC is so cute!
10:23 I feel seen
thank you
1:40 LMAO
cool
oh wow american furry learning japanese for half its life let me one up that and say ive been doing it all my life thats cool man and let me ask you why you speak so slow tho?
@@kishiazuma_ why are you mad exactly
@@catsnest i dont ever recall being upset last i recall i was typing the message with no emotion and confusion on why westerns are so quirky and wish to infest japan in every single way possible
@@catsnest hey man unfortunately my message got deleted by youtube even tho i barely said anything so unfortunately maybe one day ill give a response but all i have to say to that is "huh im confused lmmma just eat my burga snifffff snifff huhhhhhhhhh and be all confused and unaware and to embrace my pronouns"
it sounded that you are the poor case of mislead effort when studying japanese, even for years it is possible to have little to no gain in the language if you are doing the wrong approach when studying it