Believe the drone thing came up with a few guys who have cameramen putting up drones in practice as part of the filming. Don't believe anyone was penalized. As long as footage wasn't viewed there was no violation. But you are correct...how would we know
I don't think a drone should be allow or is allowed for filming footage or anything like that during practice periods. This allows someone to know where anglers are fishing. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
One of the most ridiculous "penalties" was Boyd fishing on Guntersville during the off-limits period and he said he was "crappie fishing." He self-imposed a 10 minute penalty on day one. If it had been James Watson, do you think he would have penalized him only 10 mins, or do you think he would have DQ'd him? That's the kind of crap that's driving me away from caring too much about these leagues anymore.
You're right. There is no transparency, and the penalties are weak. It's like the organizations don't care to really do the work to tell the whole story.
It appears that this is a bigger problem than what is known by most of us, and that sucks! Based on what you are saying, it may be more prevelant than ever. What a shame.
One of the best videos you have ever put out there!!! yes they covered it up and as long as there’s money involved, they’re gonna continue to cover it up just my two cents
Please don’t tell on me! That’s, mentally. I have a picture on that high priced bait. OMG I was fishing there last year. Please don’t run your electronics around me because they cause static in mine. I thought fishing was something that you would do to have fun. Seems like a soap opera now!
Lots of questions come to mind for me. The org states the basic "what/why/how much" questions in their press release and that's it. The instructions from the org's attorney is to say nothing further. It's up to the affected angler either let the episode pass into history or extend the angst and fight the matter of his innocence and reputation out in civil court or the court of public opinion, or both, right? If a tournament leader with a possible 6-figure payout gets DQ'ed on Day 3 of the event, that's enough money to get the lawyers involved. Suit and counter-suit, slander, fraud accusations, possible sponsorship cancellation, loss of business opportunities, damages to reputations, court and legal fees, etc.. we're talking lots of money here. How far could this possibly go? IMHO the angler trying to change the outcome of a DQ is probably a long shot, and the best outcome is for everyone to STFU. Total transparency is great and what the angling community may want, but in today's litigious society is full public disclosure in the best interests of both parties? But hey, WTF do I know? Just sayin'... 😂
I hear ya and agree. I think that if they continue with the lack of information, it hurts our trust with the organizations. And then fans get discouraged, then we might not watch. Its a crazy world. Thanks for the comment and cheers!!
Just b.s u shouldn't be allowed to be sponsored by the circuits sponsors. Such as academia sports and fuckett rods that leads to multiple inconclusive polys
Yep and someone like FUCKETT Should not be allowed to fish. I’ve seen plenty of pictures of him at the lake pre fishing talking to guides and people who live on the lakes. 2-3 Days before the PFing is legal to be on the water. 😉FBD and I’m not talking about Fishing Boat Docks😉!!!
I don't know if they can ever change that, but it's something that happens. Respect your take and understand it. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
First problem, is the couch tournament directors of social media. Too many “ think” they know what happened all the while being keyboard warriors. As for anglers defending themselves when accused of wrongdoing. The lack of transparency between both the league and anglers is the problem which in turn, fuel the social media keyboard commandos. Plus, with the fan base of fishing having their favorite league, they will defend that league even if there is wrongdoing proven! Ultimately, the lack of full information released to the public only makes some of us question the integrity of the league in question. Case in point, Bassmasters 2024. Has been the biggest clown show and stain in the fishing world. And have we gotten all the info? Nope… in Bass fashion, sweep it under the rug. Heck… even KVD admitted that it happens and was part of the reason he left Bassmasters. Transparency has been lacking. And accusations have been thrown around by anyone who’s unhappy.
There's so much more to this video, but I couldn't go into it. I have looked into most of the stuff and it's a little crazy. I agree with everything here. Thanks for the comment and cheers!!
The rumor I hear more than any other is, "Anglers get information from locals at every tournament. They illegally get hundreds of way points then during practice just go from way point to way point checking them out. They don't break down lakes. They just check way points."
Any "fine" should be fully explained as to who, what, and why. As for the Pro defending themselves in the media? I believe the Makor leagues such as the NFL, MLB does not allow this either?
@GetUrFishOn if you know and aren't saying how is it any different then the organization protecting these anglers. Idk if you are trying to be the solution or part of the problem .
If it’s going to be a professional platform and platform open to public to watch the take off the weigh in’s with kids running around looking up to them it should all be transparent and everything dun no matter how small and surly everything big known. If you can’t LIVE THAT LINE 365 they should not be allowed to pretend to walk it tournament days. And the management of all organizations should be ones who has fished on & loves the tournaments and puts the anglers and fans above all else and listens to the fans and anglers. But at the same time CAN CONTROL THE ANGLERS AND HANDLE EVERY INCIDENT THE SAME. no matter if it’s the 1’st and 2’nd place or the 1’st and last place angler’s they should get the same treatment good bad reward or punishment and put fines into place and suspension along with taking points and or taking points and giving them the the man in the right of the incident. But that’s just MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND FEELING FROM 45 YEARS OF supporting loving watching and fishing. I am just a stupid coonass commercial fisherman in south Louisiana born on the water raised on a shrimp boat and skiff who loves it lives it and will die doing it
Steve, there's so much wrong with big-time tournament bass fishing, and another reason I refuse to watch it any longer. You did not go into tournament owners fishing there own tournaments, or anglers that are sponsored from tournament owners companies, or anglers that own companies that sponsor tournament organization. The entire system from a perception of credibility is just F'ed up!
Yeah, that's an issue that is ongoing with NPFL but no longer for the BPT. I'm not 100 percent sure that the owners fishing is a big deal, but I understand anglers concerns on it. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Fishing fans get furious when someone is caught cheating, is punished by an organization, and the details are kept quiet. Tony Christian was a perfect example of this occurring. I remember people on the BFHP demanding FLW give the details or they would boycott them…😂😂😂 Usually the organizations do this to protect themselves, not the angler-in-question’s reputation. The last thing an organization wants is to be brought into court, especially when it comes to an angler getting caught cheating the rest of the field because if it comes out in court that the angler cheated in other events and DIDN’T get caught, the participants that suffered a financial loss because of his cheating will sue THE ORGANIZATION to recover their losses. This could be catastrophic for an organization, plus it hurts the reputation of the organization that couldn’t protect their customers against cheating. Lawyers know this and certainly use it as a threat against organizations to protect the interests of their clients. Even a slander case brought to court could greatly impact the financial interests of an organization. It’s naive to assume these organizations will ever be any more transparent than they need to to satisfy the curiosity of their fans when it threatens their interests.
The problem with that is burning a relationship or confidence and trust with anglers. I also don't want to hurt someones life and attempt to be respectful. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
@@GetUrFishOn but if you actually know someone is doing something wrong....aren't you hurting everyone else by protecting the one who did something wrong?
@ really knowing and hearing a rumor are two different things. I’ve been trying to lock a few things down, but locking it down is the hard thing. Some people are under nda’s and they hint but can’t say that anglers name. Tough world to be in.
@@matthewweimer42 if im bringing this to everyone attention am I not part of a solution: maybe not what you want to hear because you want names. Thanks for the comment:
Pro fishing is the only sport I know of where the Fans can’t Bash brands and anglers! Which you should be able to bash anglers you don’t like. Who the hell cares if you don’t like an angler? The truth is the truth period. I say Bash the guys you don’t like and let it be. If you think for one second all those anglers get along you’re retarted folks. The dude makes a good point and I like his vids 🍻🍻
If a Angler breaks a rule and gets punished that should be known to everyone, they are professional and have higher standards, I understand that new rules or changes are made and the Organizations are responsible for letting anglers know, if a Angler knowingly breaks a rule because of a gray area the Angler has the responsibility of finding out, if they can't don't do it , yes money has a lot to do why a cover up may have happened
Believe the drone thing came up with a few guys who have cameramen putting up drones in practice as part of the filming.
Don't believe anyone was penalized. As long as footage wasn't viewed there was no violation.
But you are correct...how would we know
I don't think a drone should be allow or is allowed for filming footage or anything like that during practice periods. This allows someone to know where anglers are fishing. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
This is what I've been saying forever! Transparency is LOST.
It's been gone for a long long time. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
@cerebraltackle if only there was a avenue for independent "journalists " to make videos and actually call people out by name....
@ there’s a way and im sure it will happen sooner than later. Just a suspicion!! Lol
@@matthewweimer42 you do know my work, right? 🤣
Is there money involved? There is the answer.
Agreed!! Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
If they call out the anglers, anglers will be more cognizant of their reputation . Protecting anglers will only damage the organizations reputation.
💯# spot on brother
Agreed, but instead they hide a lot of things then the anglers get upset. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
One of the most ridiculous "penalties" was Boyd fishing on Guntersville during the off-limits period and he said he was "crappie fishing." He self-imposed a 10 minute penalty on day one. If it had been James Watson, do you think he would have penalized him only 10 mins, or do you think he would have DQ'd him? That's the kind of crap that's driving me away from caring too much about these leagues anymore.
Yeah that's just stupid. If your on the body of water, your fishing even if you are not fishing. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
You're right. There is no transparency, and the penalties are weak. It's like the organizations don't care to really do the work to tell the whole story.
They don't want to hurt an anglers reputation. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
It appears that this is a bigger problem than what is known by most of us, and that sucks! Based on what you are saying, it may be more prevelant than ever. What a shame.
There's more out there that we aren't even talking about, and getting answers is impossible. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
One of the best videos you have ever put out there!!! yes they covered it up and as long as there’s money involved, they’re gonna continue to cover it up just my two cents
Couldn't agree more. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
There is favoritism in some leagues. $ is also a reason.
I agree completely. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Please don’t tell on me! That’s, mentally. I have a picture on that high priced bait. OMG I was fishing there last year. Please don’t run your electronics around me because they cause static in mine. I thought fishing was something that you would do to have fun. Seems like a soap opera now!
More of a soap opera than anything at times. Honestly, the drama is viewed more than the fishing. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Lots of questions come to mind for me. The org states the basic "what/why/how much" questions in their press release and that's it. The instructions from the org's attorney is to say nothing further. It's up to the affected angler either let the episode pass into history or extend the angst and fight the matter of his innocence and reputation out in civil court or the court of public opinion, or both, right? If a tournament leader with a possible 6-figure payout gets DQ'ed on Day 3 of the event, that's enough money to get the lawyers involved. Suit and counter-suit, slander, fraud accusations, possible sponsorship cancellation, loss of business opportunities, damages to reputations, court and legal fees, etc.. we're talking lots of money here. How far could this possibly go? IMHO the angler trying to change the outcome of a DQ is probably a long shot, and the best outcome is for everyone to STFU. Total transparency is great and what the angling community may want, but in today's litigious society is full public disclosure in the best interests of both parties? But hey, WTF do I know? Just sayin'... 😂
I hear ya and agree. I think that if they continue with the lack of information, it hurts our trust with the organizations. And then fans get discouraged, then we might not watch. Its a crazy world. Thanks for the comment and cheers!!
@@GetUrFishOn WWRSD
What Would Ray Scott Do !
Need I say more. That’s how every pro fishing league should handle it.
Just b.s u shouldn't be allowed to be sponsored by the circuits sponsors. Such as academia sports and fuckett rods that leads to multiple inconclusive polys
Yep and someone like FUCKETT Should not be allowed to fish. I’ve seen plenty of pictures of him at the lake pre fishing talking to guides and people who live on the lakes. 2-3 Days before the PFing is legal to be on the water. 😉FBD and I’m not talking about Fishing Boat Docks😉!!!
I don't know if they can ever change that, but it's something that happens. Respect your take and understand it. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Should never be cover ups involved in anything. Hey, Steve
Hey brother. I agree. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Great insight on the subject matter and you speak for majority of us fans I'm sure. As always no bs to the point video thx!!
@@squarebill thanks for the comment: cheers!!
It's never been fair. As good as the goat was no doubt some things got looked over
For sure!! Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
THIA IS THE WAY TO GO , GOOD WORDS YOU SAY
Thanks. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
First problem, is the couch tournament directors of social media. Too many “ think” they know what happened all the while being keyboard warriors.
As for anglers defending themselves when accused of wrongdoing. The lack of transparency between both the league and anglers is the problem which in turn, fuel the social media keyboard commandos.
Plus, with the fan base of fishing having their favorite league, they will defend that league even if there is wrongdoing proven!
Ultimately, the lack of full information released to the public only makes some of us question the integrity of the league in question.
Case in point, Bassmasters 2024. Has been the biggest clown show and stain in the fishing world. And have we gotten all the info? Nope… in Bass fashion, sweep it under the rug. Heck… even KVD admitted that it happens and was part of the reason he left Bassmasters.
Transparency has been lacking. And accusations have been thrown around by anyone who’s unhappy.
There's so much more to this video, but I couldn't go into it. I have looked into most of the stuff and it's a little crazy. I agree with everything here. Thanks for the comment and cheers!!
The rumor I hear more than any other is, "Anglers get information from locals at every tournament. They illegally get hundreds of way points then during practice just go from way point to way point checking them out. They don't break down lakes. They just check way points."
Why do bass fishermen need a NDA clause? Maybe this would be the first thing the new representative group should bring up more disclosure.
It's easy - it goes to reputation of the business. It's the same with ANY business.
They sign the contract, and they get fined if they speak up. Lets hope they make some changes. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
I agree because polygraph tests are not 100% accurate
Agreed! Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Agree
Thank you sir. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Any "fine" should be fully explained as to who, what, and why. As for the Pro defending themselves in the media? I believe the Makor leagues such as the NFL, MLB does not allow this either?
Yeah I think your right, but they are allowed to talk somewhat. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Go Steve 💥 🎣 👌
Let go bro!! Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
I can see covering up what an angler done, reason is to not give ideas to potential guys wanting to get the upper hand,
I agree with that, but some of the stuff is ridiculous. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
I feel it’s all dictated by attorneys. The less you say, the less exposure you have to litigation.
Someone might have to do some actual journalism if you want to find answers to this.
Answers are out there, but can't be said because of numerous reasons. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
@GetUrFishOn if you know and aren't saying how is it any different then the organization protecting these anglers. Idk if you are trying to be the solution or part of the problem .
@ im trying to bring it to light. Talking to anglers non stop and getting info instead of rumors and gossip.
If it’s going to be a professional platform and platform open to public to watch the take off the weigh in’s with kids running around looking up to them it should all be transparent and everything dun no matter how small and surly everything big known. If you can’t LIVE THAT LINE 365 they should not be allowed to pretend to walk it tournament days. And the management of all organizations should be ones who has fished on & loves the tournaments and puts the anglers and fans above all else and listens to the fans and anglers. But at the same time CAN CONTROL THE ANGLERS AND HANDLE EVERY INCIDENT THE SAME. no matter if it’s the 1’st and 2’nd place or the 1’st and last place angler’s they should get the same treatment good bad reward or punishment and put fines into place and suspension along with taking points and or taking points and giving them the the man in the right of the incident. But that’s just MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND FEELING FROM 45 YEARS OF supporting loving watching and fishing. I am just a stupid coonass commercial fisherman in south Louisiana born on the water raised on a shrimp boat and skiff who loves it lives it and will die doing it
LOVE THE COMMENT!!! Couldn't agree more. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Because of $$$$$.
Agreed!! Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Merry late xmas
Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Steve, there's so much wrong with big-time tournament bass fishing, and another reason I refuse to watch it any longer. You did not go into tournament owners fishing there own tournaments, or anglers that are sponsored from tournament owners companies, or anglers that own companies that sponsor tournament organization. The entire system from a perception of credibility is just F'ed up!
Yeah, that's an issue that is ongoing with NPFL but no longer for the BPT. I'm not 100 percent sure that the owners fishing is a big deal, but I understand anglers concerns on it. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
Fishing fans get furious when someone is caught cheating, is punished by an organization, and the details are kept quiet. Tony Christian was a perfect example of this occurring. I remember people on the BFHP demanding FLW give the details or they would boycott them…😂😂😂 Usually the organizations do this to protect themselves, not the angler-in-question’s reputation. The last thing an organization wants is to be brought into court, especially when it comes to an angler getting caught cheating the rest of the field because if it comes out in court that the angler cheated in other events and DIDN’T get caught, the participants that suffered a financial loss because of his cheating will sue THE ORGANIZATION to recover their losses. This could be catastrophic for an organization, plus it hurts the reputation of the organization that couldn’t protect their customers against cheating. Lawyers know this and certainly use it as a threat against organizations to protect the interests of their clients. Even a slander case brought to court could greatly impact the financial interests of an organization. It’s naive to assume these organizations will ever be any more transparent than they need to to satisfy the curiosity of their fans when it threatens their interests.
If you know something why don't you say it. Just call names out if you think you know something.
The problem with that is burning a relationship or confidence and trust with anglers. I also don't want to hurt someones life and attempt to be respectful. Cheers, Happy New Year and thanks for the comment.
@@GetUrFishOn but if you actually know someone is doing something wrong....aren't you hurting everyone else by protecting the one who did something wrong?
@ really knowing and hearing a rumor are two different things. I’ve been trying to lock a few things down, but locking it down is the hard thing. Some people are under nda’s and they hint but can’t say that anglers name. Tough world to be in.
@@GetUrFishOn you can be part of the problem or be the solution
@@matthewweimer42 if im bringing this to everyone attention am I not part of a solution: maybe not what you want to hear because you want names. Thanks for the comment:
Pro fishing is the only sport I know of where the Fans can’t Bash brands and anglers! Which you should be able to bash anglers you don’t like. Who the hell cares if you don’t like an angler? The truth is the truth period. I say Bash the guys you don’t like and let it be. If you think for one second all those anglers get along you’re retarted folks. The dude makes a good point and I like his vids 🍻🍻
Hahahahahaha, I Luvya Steve. But is this a serious question?
If a Angler breaks a rule and gets punished that should be known to everyone, they are professional and have higher standards, I understand that new rules or changes are made and the Organizations are responsible for letting anglers know, if a Angler knowingly breaks a rule because of a gray area the Angler has the responsibility of finding out, if they can't don't do it , yes money has a lot to do why a cover up may have happened