Just a quick post after two years owning the Sigma 35 and the Lumix 50. I’m using both lenses on an SL2-S for personal work. After being out in bad winter weather a couple of times as well as in dry, dusty central Spain last summer, I’m now noticing dust and moisture inside the Sigma. None of that inside the Lumix, though that’s being used more often. The Lumix is clearly much better sealed against weather.
I wish there were a mention of bokeh and transmission. For someone torn on whether or not the 1/3 stop is actually worth it, if the Sigmas have better transmission and smoother bokeh they would effectively be "faster" despite the slower aperture rating.
I purchased S5 because of their f1.8 primes, and never disappointed, especially 24 and 35. Excellent color rendering, size, weight, sharpness, and bokeh. The best color among all f1.8 I have seen.
I'm glad more L-mount lenses are coming out. When I got my new camera last year, I went with a G9 because I wanted more lens options. But in another 3 or 4 years, when I think about a new one, that panasonic full frame might be a contender.
One other noteworthy difference. If I’m not mistaken the menu settings for manual focus linear/non-linear and focus rotation in degrees on the S-series cameras only work with Panasonic lenses. Not with the Sigma’s. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
I believe you are correct. I owned the Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 but pulling manual focus wasn’t that easy because of the non-linear focus pull. I currently am testing the Panasonic 50mm f1.8 and it is honestly the easiest mirrorless lens to manual focus I’ve ever tried. It feels like a manual focus lens with the linear focusing engaged. I don’t think they stressed or tested this aspect enough - if you’re shooting manual focus video, the Panasonic lenses are amazing to work with.
The Panasonic 24mm may be breathing less, but the geometry of the image seems to change as you're pulling focus? It looks really odd three quarters of the way out to the corners IMO - scroll through to 4m32s or so, and you'll see what I mean. It looks like the distortion changes shape as the focus shifts, which is going to make correcting distortion interesting... Personally I'd prefer the more normal looking Sigma result, despite the breathing!
I really don't like how Panasonic lenses look in the breathing test. The plane of focus is changing (distortion), and something weird is going out with perspective- buildings vs. trees. If the lens is zooming during the pool, it is straightforward to fix in post, but with this effect- I don't have any clue what to do in post :/ and it looks very distracting (for me).
4:35 the Panasonic 24mm and 35mm have some funniness going on with the barrel distortion correction as the focusing group moves. Perhaps there is a firmware issue?
Thank you for testing L mount lenses, however no bokeh, contrast and color comparison ? There is a lot more than sharpness when we talk about optical quality.
You've forgot to include the one thing I was interested in, and it is continuous autofocus tests. But, the good news is I've ordered both 24mm lenses now, so I might do a video focus test between them and might also share it in my channel if... Anyone up for it.
I just dove into some new gear with the idea of using mainly vintage for more artistic work. I got the S5 and for a one standard lens i did get the Sigma 24 70.
Distortion test would have been nice.. in some tests the panasonic are pretty weak there. and because of the digital correction the corners are softer...
@@HGQjazz exactly. i saw it on his channel. i think the 35mm has the same problems. its a little disappointing that a modern lens has this problem. ok, possible you wont see it if you dont photograph architecture.
I noticed that on the 24, too. Less on the 35mm. Breathing is often corrected by technically having a zoom lens (maybe 23-25mm here, or narrower) where the zoom is coupled with focus to keep field of view the same, thus the warping might be how the barrel distortion changes as the focal length subtly changes.
Jordan on vacation? No mention of the superior linear manual focusing on Lumix lenses it's what keeps me with Panasonic. Bokeh comparison would have been nice as well go out and try again : )
Aha, now I know where to store my shopping cart, malt liquour and random log. Regarding the focus breathing, the Lumix lens seems to warp at the edges during the test. Do you think there is some kind of electronic correction going on to compensate for focus breathing? If so, I'm wondering if this could contribute to the corner softness of the Lumix lenses. Per the product description, what is meant by " linear/non-linear manual focus function"? Is this similar to the linear focus feature on Lumix S Pro lenses? I really like the linear focus on the Lumix Pro lenses.
Why wasn't the Leica SL 35mm lens invited to the party? Do the lenses work equally well on the different camera? Three camera lines and three lens lines, is it really mix and match?
I own all 3 of the Sigmas and they are stellar! I am hoping they make more in this I series especially on the wider end. A 16mm would be terrific. I’m using them on my Nikon Z fc with autofocus adapter. They are truly solid and love the clickable aperture rings! And they just look fantastic.
Hey, buddy. I have a strange problem with the sigma 24 f2 lens on my sigma fp camera. The thing is that I can't turn off the aperture repeater in photo mode. The lens in this photo mode, makes the aperture open a hundred percent and keeps this position until you press the shutter release. Because of this, I can not evaluate the frame and depth of field. Can you tell me what the problem is and how to return the aperture closing.
I used to have an incredible sharp Sigma 16mm f1.4 on my G9, but I never used it for stills because I didn’t really like the colors and its microcontrast behavior. I suppose Sigma is all about the sharpness, at the expense of other important optical characteristics. I really hope the L-mount lenses of Sigma are better in this regard, but I still like better the colors provided by Panasonic’s lenses in your comparison
Idk what these ppl on UA-cam are smoking saying the sigma 35mm autofocus is okay for video. On the s5 it is absolutely unusable for video autofocus. Sharpness on the sigma is on par with the Panasonic 85 f1.8, and slightly better than the Panasonic 24-70 2.8. The sigma focus motors are also noisy and they vibrate the camera body, make for, imo, an unpleasant experience. If you only take photos, absolutely go with the sigma, the pictures at 1.4 look so cool, and the photo autofocus is fine, but if you plan to do ANY video, stick with Panasonic lenses.
Yes. Panasonic has a 50 1.4, Sigma has a 35 1.2, and a 85 and 35 1.4, along with some others older design (aka non DN lenses) 50, 40 and maybe some others...
Ah, yeah, the plastic versus metal thing versus high res sensors. Forget cosmetics- what happens in the sun? Lens optical paths have to be precise. A lens barrel heating up in the sun has to screw with that. If it's a thermally stable plastic, does that deform less than metal when it gets hot? If the barrel is hot, there have to be 'air thermals' inside the lens- does that cause optical distortion, like a mirage? So which dumps internal heat better- the metal acting as a heat sink, or the plastic? But metal IS a better conductor of heat, so more is carried to the lens innards (bad). Plastic is not as good transferring heat, so does that mean it takes longer to heat up the lens but once it's hot it takes longer to cool? Maybe that's OK because it keeps a more constant temperature inside the lens? And those guys with the white lens barrels (you know who you are), I would hope that's not just a marketing decision and it's actually to help with sun thermals. While I'm on it, is a silver camera body better than a black camera body for the same reasons? My silver bodies definitely are cooler in the sun; that has to translate to less sensor noise. These are the questions that truly try one's soul. How about a video on that? The glove has been thrown...
I own both in 35mm and if video af is important to you, you need to get the Panasonic no question. Pictures on the sigma do look a little nicer though.
@@dpreview Of course, it's worth bringing to a discussion for people who are not locked into or siloed in any one system. Folks are more versatile than you seem to give them credit for. Wake up. The choices and competition are not ultimately across lenses but across mounts. 😉
If I had to take one set of primes... I would have gone with the Sigma F2 line, they're beautiful! I really don't like the rendering of Panasonic prime lenses, as far as I see in the samples that I've found online.
Is it possible to have a comparison between those lenses and the Leica SL line of primes? I struggle to find a good review on those lenses and they are all l-mount
There isn't really a need for that. The Leica SL lenses are in another league altogether (price and performance). If you have the founds and search for lenses as optically perfect as possible, you can't go wrong with the Leica SL primes lenses. I wish I can afford one or two… 😅
Let me fill in some tests that Chris and Jordan failed to do: Video autofocus: Panasonic lenses are useable and sigma lenses are not Linear manual focus setting: Panasonic works and sigma doesn’t This makes Panasonic an even clearer winner for doing video, and let’s be real, nobody is buying L mount cameras for photography only.
"let’s be real, nobody is buying L mount cameras for photography only" You are totally wrong. L mount cameras are very good for photography. I have a Lumix S1R and a Sigma fp just for photography. I bought them knowing exactly what they are capable of, and they are great at it.
@@stanleystevens6278 It mostly depends on what you are shooting. If video is your priority, then Lumix without hesitation. Otherwise, do you need a big aperture ? Past 2.8 they are almost identical to me. But the Sigma will do better at sharpness across the frame at f2 than the Lumix at f1.8. Also the Sigma has an aperture ring, some people like some don't care. At the end, except for video, I will choose the Sigma. Will pair well with the fp. But both are good lenses, no questions. 😉
Disappointing @f1.8 Nobody needs a soft 35mm wide open. Sigma 2/35 is sharper yes, but it also is not very good. After such a long time waiting, still no decent 35mm lens. Sony's three 35mm lenses (FE 1.8, Zeiss 2.8 and GM 1.4) are all better. I wait for a small 35mm autofocus L mount lens since 2019. For street, candid, travel and portrait. They probably are scared to butcher the Sigma's and Leica 35 lenses. Very wrong approach.
Thank you, this was a great review. I really appreciate the effort. I've been trying to decide between the Panasonic and Sigma. With the 35mm I'll be doing more photography than videography so it seems Sigma is the better option here but they're both great.
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Just a quick post after two years owning the Sigma 35 and the Lumix 50. I’m using both lenses on an SL2-S for personal work. After being out in bad winter weather a couple of times as well as in dry, dusty central Spain last summer, I’m now noticing dust and moisture inside the Sigma. None of that inside the Lumix, though that’s being used more often. The Lumix is clearly much better sealed against weather.
I wish there were a mention of bokeh and transmission. For someone torn on whether or not the 1/3 stop is actually worth it, if the Sigmas have better transmission and smoother bokeh they would effectively be "faster" despite the slower aperture rating.
Also would have liked to see the Panasonics stopped down to f/2 versus the Sigmas wide open
Yes, L-mount content that isn't a camera review! There isn't enough of this on UA-cam.
Love this style of review. Addresses real world factors and relative differences to help inform purchasing. Keep up the good work fellas!
I purchased S5 because of their f1.8 primes, and never disappointed, especially 24 and 35. Excellent color rendering, size, weight, sharpness, and bokeh. The best color among all f1.8 I have seen.
Yet more proof DP Review made one of their smartest moves by hiring you two crazies.
I'm glad more L-mount lenses are coming out. When I got my new camera last year, I went with a G9 because I wanted more lens options. But in another 3 or 4 years, when I think about a new one, that panasonic full frame might be a contender.
Love these comparisons!! Thanks for making this video DPRTV!
Yay for L-mount content!
One other noteworthy difference. If I’m not mistaken the menu settings for manual focus linear/non-linear and focus rotation in degrees on the S-series cameras only work with Panasonic lenses. Not with the Sigma’s. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
I believe you are correct. I owned the Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 but pulling manual focus wasn’t that easy because of the non-linear focus pull. I currently am testing the Panasonic 50mm f1.8 and it is honestly the easiest mirrorless lens to manual focus I’ve ever tried. It feels like a manual focus lens with the linear focusing engaged. I don’t think they stressed or tested this aspect enough - if you’re shooting manual focus video, the Panasonic lenses are amazing to work with.
You are right
Chris hates 35mm so much that all the images are labelled 24mm on the flare test. 😄
Ya I was looking for more ripping on the 35mm looks like Chris is keeping his disgust well hidden for this video 🤣
I own the Sigma 24 f2 (for E-mouth) and I love it. The build quality, the aperture ring and even the magnetic lens cup (in addition to the plastic).
Wasn't really in the mood for laughing but that e-mouth typo really made me chuckle, thank you 😂
Great review. What I want to know as a photographer when deciding on a lens. More of this, please!
Lumix S lenses manual focus is the closest on any system to manual focus only lenses. Even more than Leica Q2
What a great surprise - a DPReview video! I thought you guys were on Christmas/New year's break.
still no smallish 28mm for L mount = BUMMER !!!!
How about color output?
I went for the Panasonic 35 because the Sigma is not weather and dust sealed, if I am not mistaken. Sealed lenses are a must for me.
Agreed, this is the biggest difference between the two. And I live in a country that has harsh winter conditions, so freeze resistance is useful too.
Came down to the comments to post this.
The Panasonic 24mm may be breathing less, but the geometry of the image seems to change as you're pulling focus? It looks really odd three quarters of the way out to the corners IMO - scroll through to 4m32s or so, and you'll see what I mean. It looks like the distortion changes shape as the focus shifts, which is going to make correcting distortion interesting... Personally I'd prefer the more normal looking Sigma result, despite the breathing!
I wonder if that’s the IBIS? I own these lenses and don’t see that happening
Very thorough and very helpful as always. Thanks!
I still thinking about having a 35-150 on LMount system
This is one of the best reviews... on anything..... i have ever seen!!! many thanks
I really don't like how Panasonic lenses look in the breathing test. The plane of focus is changing (distortion), and something weird is going out with perspective- buildings vs. trees. If the lens is zooming during the pool, it is straightforward to fix in post, but with this effect- I don't have any clue what to do in post :/ and it looks very distracting (for me).
I guess it's the distortion correction that isn't smooth. They probably require different distortion correction profile at different distance, maybe.
Pincushion to barrel distortion during focus pull. Telephoto lenses do this when zooming, usually
4:35 the Panasonic 24mm and 35mm have some funniness going on with the barrel distortion correction as the focusing group moves. Perhaps there is a firmware issue?
Exactly, I noticed that too and even found it kindda more distracting than the normal breathing!
yes, especially in panasonic 24mm... really strange.
Its the same technique Viltrox uses to limit focus breathing on their lenses, and honestly it is more distracting i'll rather regular breathing
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI may I know the name of the technique? and the most important... is it something with firmware or optical design?
Thank you for testing L mount lenses, however no bokeh, contrast and color comparison ? There is a lot more than sharpness when we talk about optical quality.
Great review guys! Very useful for me doing video
You've forgot to include the one thing I was interested in, and it is continuous autofocus tests.
But, the good news is I've ordered both 24mm lenses now, so I might do a video focus test between them and might also share it in my channel if... Anyone up for it.
What about internal RAw on the S5iix just like the gh7
Excellent episode as always. Chris n Jordan please review Tamron 18-300 fuji lens also
Couldnt you record the back of the screen during the AF test instead of you moving the camera left and right?
I just dove into some new gear with the idea of using mainly vintage for more artistic work. I got the S5 and for a one standard lens i did get the Sigma 24 70.
Just a great comparison! Thank you!
Distortion test would have been nice.. in some tests the panasonic are pretty weak there. and because of the digital correction the corners are softer...
RIchard Wong mentioned it in his 24mm review. I guess you make a decision as to which is more important, corner sharpness or distortion.
@@HGQjazz exactly. i saw it on his channel. i think the 35mm has the same problems. its a little disappointing that a modern lens has this problem. ok, possible you wont see it if you dont photograph architecture.
Thanks for these comparisons that help a lot 👍
I'm a video shooter and i prefer the Lumix lenses. See you !
brief, fast & clear
Sigma 35 1.4 DG DN vs Sigma 35 1.4 DG HSM vs panasonic 35 1.8? Which is faster in AF-C ?
Thank you for the comparison
too bad you guys did not also include sigma 24 3.5 with its semi macro features its the coolest one.
The Panasonic pair may have less breathing but they have noticeable warping of the periphery when pulling focus, and that could be more distracting.
I noticed that on the 24, too. Less on the 35mm. Breathing is often corrected by technically having a zoom lens (maybe 23-25mm here, or narrower) where the zoom is coupled with focus to keep field of view the same, thus the warping might be how the barrel distortion changes as the focal length subtly changes.
Jordan on vacation? No mention of the superior linear manual focusing on Lumix lenses it's what keeps me with Panasonic. Bokeh comparison would have been nice as well go out and try again : )
Wow, impressed by Sigma's sharpness at the edge of image, but pissed off by lens breathings. They're expected, weren't they?
Thanks…very enlightening. I bought the panys as I’m a video shooter.
I want to see another comparison in the L Mount, maybe compare these two lens against the Leica L versions.
A shopping cart, Malt Liquor, and a random log out of the river? Must be street performer season.
Aha, now I know where to store my shopping cart, malt liquour and random log.
Regarding the focus breathing, the Lumix lens seems to warp at the edges during the test. Do you think there is some kind of electronic correction going on to compensate for focus breathing? If so, I'm wondering if this could contribute to the corner softness of the Lumix lenses.
Per the product description, what is meant by " linear/non-linear manual focus function"? Is this similar to the linear focus feature on Lumix S Pro lenses? I really like the linear focus on the Lumix Pro lenses.
I am disappointed, Chris did not complain about the 35mm focal like at all. Those complaints make the 35mm lens reviews fun.
Why wasn't the Leica SL 35mm lens invited to the party? Do the lenses work equally well on the different camera? Three camera lines and three lens lines, is it really mix and match?
That was excellent.
I own all 3 of the Sigmas and they are stellar! I am hoping they make more in this I series especially on the wider end. A 16mm would be terrific. I’m using them on my Nikon Z fc with autofocus adapter. They are truly solid and love the clickable aperture rings! And they just look fantastic.
what adapter are you using?
Hey, buddy. I have a strange problem with the sigma 24 f2 lens on my sigma fp camera. The thing is that I can't turn off the aperture repeater in photo mode. The lens in this photo mode, makes the aperture open a hundred percent and keeps this position until you press the shutter release. Because of this, I can not evaluate the frame and depth of field. Can you tell me what the problem is and how to return the aperture closing.
Top drawer content as always thank you guys
I used to have an incredible sharp Sigma 16mm f1.4 on my G9, but I never used it for stills because I didn’t really like the colors and its microcontrast behavior. I suppose Sigma is all about the sharpness, at the expense of other important optical characteristics. I really hope the L-mount lenses of Sigma are better in this regard, but I still like better the colors provided by Panasonic’s lenses in your comparison
The Sigma 35mm F2 has very good micro contrast. However colors are better on the Lumix IMHO.
finest review..
Great review...
Nice Vid G!
Idk what these ppl on UA-cam are smoking saying the sigma 35mm autofocus is okay for video. On the s5 it is absolutely unusable for video autofocus. Sharpness on the sigma is on par with the Panasonic 85 f1.8, and slightly better than the Panasonic 24-70 2.8. The sigma focus motors are also noisy and they vibrate the camera body, make for, imo, an unpleasant experience. If you only take photos, absolutely go with the sigma, the pictures at 1.4 look so cool, and the photo autofocus is fine, but if you plan to do ANY video, stick with Panasonic lenses.
where are f1.2/1.4 lenses for l mount?
Yes. Panasonic has a 50 1.4, Sigma has a 35 1.2, and a 85 and 35 1.4, along with some others older design (aka non DN lenses) 50, 40 and maybe some others...
3:15 - - What happened to Chris' thumb finger? It looks so very weird.
I am interested in 85mm comparison.
i am s85 owner. very sharp edge to edge, excellent contrast, some green and purple CA but not destructive, not bad AF. 8/10.
Thanks for the review. How did they compare in autofocus for video???
I own the sigma and Panasonic 35mm. Panasonic is substantially better for video autofocus.
4:14 Blair Witch behind his left elbow
Colours of Panasonic lenses ale slighty look nicer than Sigma. I have 1.8/50mm and 1.8/50mm and I love them. 35mm is on my wish list.
Impressive image quality of SIGMA lenses.
This is super minor, but it's not "dampened". In this context, it's damped.
Notification -> so, here’s new video from DPreview…
Me-> I’m in.
Ah, yeah, the plastic versus metal thing versus high res sensors. Forget cosmetics- what happens in the sun? Lens optical paths have to be precise. A lens barrel heating up in the sun has to screw with that. If it's a thermally stable plastic, does that deform less than metal when it gets hot? If the barrel is hot, there have to be 'air thermals' inside the lens- does that cause optical distortion, like a mirage? So which dumps internal heat better- the metal acting as a heat sink, or the plastic? But metal IS a better conductor of heat, so more is carried to the lens innards (bad). Plastic is not as good transferring heat, so does that mean it takes longer to heat up the lens but once it's hot it takes longer to cool? Maybe that's OK because it keeps a more constant temperature inside the lens? And those guys with the white lens barrels (you know who you are), I would hope that's not just a marketing decision and it's actually to help with sun thermals. While I'm on it, is a silver camera body better than a black camera body for the same reasons? My silver bodies definitely are cooler in the sun; that has to translate to less sensor noise. These are the questions that truly try one's soul. How about a video on that? The glove has been thrown...
“Damped,” not “dampened.” Unless it's raining, which it's not…
great video, but could have an autofocus test on people, at least in 35mm, just an opinion
I own both in 35mm and if video af is important to you, you need to get the Panasonic no question. Pictures on the sigma do look a little nicer though.
who he?
*phew* just bought a 35 mm panasonic for video.
I miss the anamorphic....
The elephant in the room are the less expensive Canon RF 24/1.8 and 35/1.8 which have IS to boot.
Can’t mount those on L-Mount bodies, and can’t mount these on RF bodies. Not worth bringing into the discussion.
-Jordan
@@dpreview Of course, it's worth bringing to a discussion for people who are not locked into or siloed in any one system. Folks are more versatile than you seem to give them credit for. Wake up. The choices and competition are not ultimately across lenses but across mounts. 😉
Came here for the bokeh comparison. Left sad and bokehn hearted 💔
If I had to take one set of primes... I would have gone with the Sigma F2 line, they're beautiful!
I really don't like the rendering of Panasonic prime lenses, as far as I see in the samples that I've found online.
Haha
Thumbs up
Is it possible to have a comparison between those lenses and the Leica SL line of primes? I struggle to find a good review on those lenses and they are all l-mount
There isn't really a need for that. The Leica SL lenses are in another league altogether (price and performance). If you have the founds and search for lenses as optically perfect as possible, you can't go wrong with the Leica SL primes lenses. I wish I can afford one or two… 😅
Things I will never buy or use: these lenses
Things I will watch every single time: your videos
a little bit, ok
Let me fill in some tests that Chris and Jordan failed to do:
Video autofocus: Panasonic lenses are useable and sigma lenses are not
Linear manual focus setting: Panasonic works and sigma doesn’t
This makes Panasonic an even clearer winner for doing video, and let’s be real, nobody is buying L mount cameras for photography only.
"let’s be real, nobody is buying L mount cameras for photography only"
You are totally wrong. L mount cameras are very good for photography.
I have a Lumix S1R and a Sigma fp just for photography. I bought them knowing exactly what they are capable of, and they are great at it.
@@obscur_yoann I'm trying to decide which of these 35mm to get for my own Sigma FP.
@@stanleystevens6278 It mostly depends on what you are shooting.
If video is your priority, then Lumix without hesitation. Otherwise, do you need a big aperture ? Past 2.8 they are almost identical to me. But the Sigma will do better at sharpness across the frame at f2 than the Lumix at f1.8. Also the Sigma has an aperture ring, some people like some don't care.
At the end, except for video, I will choose the Sigma. Will pair well with the fp. But both are good lenses, no questions. 😉
Yes, it’s sad bc the photos look so good, but video af is unusable
Been watching Christopher Frost?
The sharpness of the lumix lenses is really disappointing..
Yes, the 50mm f1.8 is very sharp though.
The 50mm 1.4 is even better
No way they'd get a chance to compare with the Leica 35/2...
At 2 or 3 times the price of the Sigma/Panasonic, the Leica better be in another league... spoiler : it is.
@@obscur_yoann More like 6-8 times the price and double the weight ;-)
@@tt-ew7rx Indeed. 😅
The Panasonic seemed sharper all around
Did you really see the sharpness tests?
Lumix wins
Disappointing @f1.8
Nobody needs a soft 35mm wide open.
Sigma 2/35 is sharper yes, but it also is not very good.
After such a long time waiting, still no decent 35mm lens.
Sony's three 35mm lenses (FE 1.8, Zeiss 2.8 and GM 1.4) are all better.
I wait for a small 35mm autofocus L mount lens since 2019.
For street, candid, travel and portrait.
They probably are scared to butcher the Sigma's and Leica 35 lenses.
Very wrong approach.
Thank you, this was a great review. I really appreciate the effort. I've been trying to decide between the Panasonic and Sigma. With the 35mm I'll be doing more photography than videography so it seems Sigma is the better option here but they're both great.