Why pop shove-its flip and how to avoid it. Is that REALLY because of your foot placement?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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Pop shove-its easily flip. Why? And what's worse is that their patterns are not the same. Sometimes they flip toward the kickflip rotation, sometimes toward the heelflip rotation.
Let's study the reasons behind this problem and learn how to avoid it.
This time, we are not talking about how to land the trick. Instead, we are talking about the structure of the trick from the beginning, so that we can fully understand the science behind it.
Please take a moment and try to study this in detail.
I'm trying to eliminate subjectivity from my explanation as much as possible by referring to scientific and physics theories. Please use my 3D models to solve your "why."
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Traditionally, skateboarding how-to videos have always been subjective and the majority of explanations are based on speakers' experiences.
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OK you are literally the best skate channel out right now your analysis is always so detailed and your models are nice to look at. You appeal to so many people outside of skateboarding and I just want to thank you for your work and please, never stop. 😁
Woah, this is by far the best skate channel for me, the way you break everything down logically is so much more helpful than any explanation out there! Keep it up, mate!
I appreciate that!
My sense is that a more square-type of tail would make it easier to avoid pop shoveits fliping. Conversely, squared tails make tre flips a bit harder. I'm an old skater from 91.... with those old decks, pop shove its were easier (less likely to flip) than using the popsicle (more round tails) decks.
I've got the catch and flip, can't wait for your next video!
You are doing great work here. Thank you so much. Your channel is a new level of skate content and science communication.
Best ever, you help me unlock a very respectable pop shuvit 🤙
I just found this channel and this is how I always tried to break skating down into physics. This channel is gold. keep going bc this could really blow up. Thank you for your contribution to skateboarding.
Really appreciate your warm comment. Thanks!
Why the Phuk do you not have more subscribers.You inspire me to improve skateing.
thanks a lot. i think i just need to upload a lot more. please stay tuned!
Perfect explanetion! Greetings from Brazil.
Thanks for the comment all the way from the other side of the Earth haha
I can watch these videos all day to learn a trick . I literally was waiting for this video to improve my skills it was like 2 weeks 🤣
Love your videos
I was actually planning to write a skateboard simulation software to simulate the physical things happening throughout tricks. Now I can save that work ;-) Thanks, that is exactly the right amount of nerdiness I needed!
trust me, it's getting nerdier. you are very welcome.
I've learned how to stop flipping pop shove its accidentally, and i think you missed two major points. I started flipping mine on accident when i was trying to learn 360 flips. And after a lot of putzing around, i found that one surefire way of preventing an accidental scoop flip is to cock the board toward the heel-side before popping. In other words, you can ride straight ahead, with your heels and toes parallel to the ground, or you can press on and lower your toes, or your heels. So right before i pop a shove it (or don't pop it), i tilt the board down on my heel-side. If you go far enough, it's possible to land primo in the opposite way, but that is easily avoided by the other thing you missed- which is following the board closely with the front foot and catching it in the air (if it leaves the ground at all). A lot of the time, i'm sure i don't achieve an actual heel-side tilt, but putting a little pressure back there makes it good enough not to flip. And doing those two things, i can pop really hard or not at all- and with all kinds of foot placements- and not have to worry if the board is going to flip.
Amigo, sos un capo, te amo
You are a UA-cam and skate genius
Thank you!
And can you make a video of a scientific breakdown of the pressure flip?? Please!..
you are welcome!
pressure flip though.
i have to practice it first haha.
Fantastic videos
Thanks! 😃
amazing work man, can we start getting more intermediate tricks like imposibles and big flips?
I'd very much like to. but we have to go one by one. please wait a bit longer.
perfect tricktip videos
Amazing.
Thank you! Cheers!
Please make one for hard flips!!!
I have figured out a way to virtually never go primo on pop shuvs. I always tried to keep my back and front foot as flat as possible, but I found that sometimes that wasn’t enough. So now, before I pop, I always lean heelside while keeping my feet flat. It works really well.
Interesting. Angles of ankles are definitely on my menu in the future…
Thanks a lot.
@@whythetrick it could be that he's keeping his body axis more heel side
I think the trick for this is that you just keep your front foot close or still on the board and it prevents the flip. If you watch some of these slow mo shots his front foot doesn't leave the board. You want to pull your legs up high like an Ollie and that's when you lose the control over your y axis. He almost points his front toes a bit forward and keeps it on the board.
Exactly! I do that before every shove it and they never flip anymore. That and catching with the front foot works like a charm.
damn this channel is tooo good
should this channel be legalized too?
oh it is.
Great video man!
Can you please make videos on hardflip,impossible,bs 360,laser flip,360 pop shove it(bs and fs) and late flips?
Anyway,your vids are crazy,keep up!
Thank you for giving me another headache lol. Working on different things right now including those advanced tricks, basics like Ollies and even fundamental studies like “relation b/w steepness of kicks and height of pop.” So many things to do.
Thank you for waiting and your comment anyway! Will be posting more. Please come back.
@@whythetrick will come back to this channel for sure,so sick
The streets need to understand heelflips better!!!! 💜😩
I need more time…
Thank you for waiting!
i subscribed awesome video my guy i already know these but im a student of the game and can see you are too. please do one on bs flips i cant seem to pop them and end up landing them everytime rocket. or if it pops back foot lands on heel side of board, or worse i land but nose dominant and slip out
Hello, as shove it is the leading trick into pop shove its; understanding the basics of shove it would provide a greater fundamental and understanding of how a pop shove it works. Could you do a video on shove its - same type of a scientific video would set better in minds to achieve the trick.
Hi, just regular shove-it, huh? will try!
@@whythetrick Yes just a regular shuve-it.
Aye no cap making sure the tail is the last thing to hit the ground works
Was wondering if you could break down why backside or frontside feels better than one or the other? Love these vids
Thanks! That’s going to be interesting for sure.
@@whythetrickYou're welcome, thanks for the videos!!!
tysm
you are very welcome
Do pressure dlip
What about the friction of ground in Type A? would it affect the rotation?
you know, someone said about that in his channel.
i think it does, up to a certain extent ESPECIALLY in normal shove-its, not pop shove-its.
normal ones' final contact points with the ground are wheels. they'd receive more friction from the ground.
whereas, in pop shove-its, its the tail that hits the ground, and the contact point is fairly "pointy," which, i assume, does not affect the flipping motion so much.
given the trucks and wheels can store energy and cause the board to flip what stores more energy - tight trucks or loose trucks? Which is more likely to make the board flip - tight or loose trucks?
IDK if answers your question but everything is a "spring" after all.
regardless of their hardness, bushings always have elasticity.
so although i think it all comes down to methodology, i believe loose trucks are more unstable and easier to cause accidental flips.
@@whythetrick thanks, With that would you say loose trucks should kick flip more easily?
@whythetrick is there a way I can write you ?
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Thank u so much I am better at tre flips than pop shuv because it always flips
You are very welcome. Watch out for primo though…
@@whythetrick ik
Lol i can only imagine trying to explain a hardflip scientifically
29 now and my determination in my early teens to learn hard flips is one of my fondest memories ever. The placement of the front foot squarely in the middle of the deck while the back foot hangs on by the toes. That and pop shuv rewinds were some of my favorite tricks to learn back in the day. Salute!
thank you! for...giving me a headache and soon-to-come sleepless nights lol
no srsly, will try. thank you for suggestion!
on my own board (tight trucks) never had an issue with po shoves, but using someone else board with lose truck i am more prone to flip a shove it. looking at your model of the truck dissipating energy, makes me wonder how much a factor this is in when scooping 3flips vs 360shove vs pressureflips
true. will look into it.
i use really tight trucks to the point i cant even turn and my 3 shoves always flips
is it type A or B??
if it's type A:
you know, everything in this world is a spring. even diamonds have elasticity. so hardness of bushings doesn't directly assures anything.
type B:
this doesn't really have anything to do with the bushings. so if this is the case, you might want to focus on timing.
@@whythetrick its type A
How do you know that the flipping is caused specifically by the truck loading up and then springing back? Why couldn’t it be the deck bouncing from the corner? Or maybe the motion of “rolling” the deck over the friction of the back wheels? It’s not that the truck loading theory is illogical, but I’m just curious how you know it is that specifically, when it might be other forces at work or in combination.
thank you for your comment. such an excellent point.
if I may rephrase your question and say "can I be sure if the rear truck is the sole factor that causes the flip?" then I'm afraid have to say I can't.
In fact, I think I said the spring of the rear truck is not strong enough to cause the flip alone in the previous video. and a result of my physics simulation also supported that idea. So I --- as much as I'd like to avoid using this word --- assume the spring of the rear truck and elasticity of the tail and everything sums up to cause the flip.
Although I need further confirmation and calculation on this matter, based on the previous simulation and the fact that we sometimes can "phantom treflip," which we don't hit the tail, the bounce of the rear truck SEEMS to be the biggest factor to cause the flip.
hope this clarifies your question.
lmaooooo just put your back foot lika a ollie
why?
@@whythetrick so u wont fall
Just 4head
pop shuv is all in the front foot, not the back. its kind of hard to explain but you have to sort of ollie into it and it'll pop high and stay level
it's the foot placement and the angle of pressure you are putting on your foot. two factors. but foot placement is definitely big. there's another of your videos that sent me down a rabbit hole of why my kickflips were turning and that it wasn't my shoulders...no, it was my shoulders. maybe the physics would have shown my hips twisting or something, but keeping my shoulders straight fixed whatever was happening. i like the goal of these videos but i think they can be misleading by trying to explain everything by overthinking the physics and not focusing on actual technique
haha true.