Just a heads up GTA V was running in 1080p High not 1440p… it can manage 1440p but not at Ultra 👍 Also a link to the drivers: forums.guru3d.com/threads/3rd-party-driver-amernime-zone-radeon-insight-22-2-2-whql-driver-pack-released.436611/
hey, any chance these drivers work on a firepro w5100? i just got one and it's pretty OK for 70€ but i bet it would be much better with drivers meant for gaming... can anyone advise?
Shame that the community even has to do any of this keep perfectly usable hardware alive, but I'm glad they're doing it! Shout out to the folks who developed the modded drivers as well as those who maintain the Mesa drivers!
There is always a limit to conservation when you're the manufacturer. If the company didn't keep up and reallocate focus on newer products, it would die. I'd see it that way; Glad to see, that the community is on this!
As somebody who really likes open source software, I have to say that "the community" doing driver development on Linux is a rather normal thing. I still don't understand why companies don't open source their windows drivers. Or at least part of them...
@@roccociccone597 It partly has to do with them not wanting people to figure out how their hardware/drivers interact with one another, and partly because they don't want to be shown up by some random, even if it means they would have a better overall product at the end of the day without any additional work/costs
I was surprised at how fast support was dropped for my Fury X which infuriated me to no end. Forced me to build a whole new system prematurely. There's nothing wrong performance wise with the old system other than support. Really sad they think silicon goes bad after 5 years and want us end-users to shell out for a new GPU/CPU every 2-4 releases. Switched to Manjaro Linux after the fact and never looking back.
Droping the fury series makes no sence as there are almost no changes in the design document to Polaris. I personally think they did it to not be confusing. Like with nvidia diffret cards have different levels of driver support mobile kelper was dropped long ago. It was fair to drop gcn1 at this point. Although thst saddens me as i have alot of gcn 1 cards.
@@andrewmcewan9145 It's a bit of GCN1 maybe should've been dropped a while ago, but the problem is that they sold GCN1 as a new and current product not all that long ago. If they wanted to drop them and didn't want people playing the "will this driver work with my card?" game (that is already solved via asking what card you have when downloading}, they should've at least done a final Win11 update. And Fury _really_ needed longer support.
@@Fay7666 I do agree. I own a nano and it was amazing for it price. Also being gcn3 it stand out form the rest of the lineup as a oddity. As for amd i do not believe they did the nvidia thing where gpus with the same name can have diffrent uarch dies. The 860m has a kelper and maxwell varient that is indistinguishable by name just as a example. How ever i am not considered about community drives not being available for the fury till eol Polaris. As the design doc is essentialy the same and linux drivers are open source. But that does not excuse amd from handling the situation poorly.
ATI did this to the 9500 9600 9800 series in 2008 , perfectly good 3D GPUs for Linux gaming and G-Earth in 2007, they ruined them for Linux use with driver updates.. So using these for linux charity desktops for grandma and kids became pointless, everybody expected working 3D. This benefitted Microsoft by keeping desktops Windows and pricey.
I don’t think AMD could have picked a worse time to drop driver support for GCN than they did, what with the gpu shortages and major releases like Halo Infinite just around the corner. Especially considering they’re still supporting these chips in consoles… I’ve got newer hardware myself but budget gamers who still depend on these cards have pretty much been purposely thrown under the bus by AMD on this one. At least the modded drivers do make an improvement in a lot of cases.
So when do you propose they drop support for 10 year old hardware? Yes, GCN ranged from 2011 to 2015, which I am saddened they killed my Fiji (Fury) as its still more than powerful enough for 1080p 60fps in 2022 but at the same time, I understand that it was pretty much support all GCN or kill all GCN and they decided to go with the latter. Yes, I will acknowledge 300 series were released in 2015, where 6 years is actually quite short but let's be real here, the only cards that weren't in the initial release of GCN 1.0 was Hawaii (and refresh, 290X and 390X) and Fiji (Fury). The 380 was pretty much just a 285, which was just an improved 7970, the 370 was just a 265, which was just an improved 7850 (and the list goes on). For reference, Nvidia killed driver support for Kepler (600/700 series) just before AMD killed support for GCN so it's not like Nvidia is any better (albeit lonely Fiji did have a slight premature death).
@@1986tbirdwilly nimez helps the rx 480 to if you feel your perfomance isnt great used ddu and wipe your drivers and try nimez they tend to help the 1% lows more
I'm running a 7950 at the moment because my GTX 980 died recently. It's been a good card so far. Whilst overclocked, it can run Minecraft 1.18.1 with complimentary shaders at 1440p with 30fps most of the time. That is the sort of performance my dying 980 was giving. For £60 (from CeX) it is a brilliant budget option. Also I've noticed that CeX have been doing something dodgy with dead cards returned under warranty... They are reselling them. When I bought my 7950, I actually ordered two because I knew that I was probably gonna receive a dead one... And I did. This is something very concerning that I've noticed over the past couple years (I noticed it with a laptop that I bought and returned because of a dead GPU and HDD) and no they don't bother trying to repair them.
minecraft isnt intensively gpu unless your using really hefty shaders. id assume your cpu bottlenecked gpu because 980 should have gotten much more fps than hd 7950
@@younglingslayer2896 bit of an update on what I said. The other 7950 ended up dying. They changed their policy so after one month into the warranty they can only repair or replace and at a last resort, refund to voucher. Well we'll see how the third 7950 does.
I had a Laptop with an Hd 7970m, great card and basically an Hd 7870, at the time I was really impressed by it. It ran every game I throwed at it. Now my brother is using that Laptop, maybe this modded drivers will breathe some more life into it.
Since they have DX12 (11_1) support, they run a lot more games than Kepler cards. Also great Vulkan support, so native Vulkan games run amazingly well AND you can wrap pure DX12 titles with VKD3D.
Developer here. About security concerns, there's nothing to worry about. The driver packages like DLL, EXE, SYS, etc are still organic. Especially for GCN release, multiple whql parserinf are needed to maintain WHQL state. We still make the documentation how nimez behavior work, but the time consuming on hotfixing keeps delayed that documentation. No reverse enginering, just using latest compatible dll from latest amd driver release. Since driver packages are mixed version like: Dx12 and vk from WU 27.20.22x Dx universal from WU 27.20.21x Kernel from WU 27.20.15x These 3 all need to be parsed by using pnputil and inside package are using dummy file with original inf and cat to get WHQL signature, that's why install this driver anywhay shown. It's SQL-like method. When amdxc64.dll found original signature installed on drivestore, it will detected as WHQL. Sorry for my engilsh
(Updated)This is actually pretty nice news for me because I bought an old system someone wanted to get rid of for 20€ and It has a HD 7870 and some FX CPU in it :) But I will first have to test if it even works xD ( I will update this comment on that note) I got the PC and had to carry it after school all the way back home even. (R.i.p arms) Then I cleaned the GPU (HD 7870 GHz Edition) and the whole PC which was completely covered in nasty dust... Next i reapplied the thermal Paste (I always use Nivea hand cream XD) and saw that the processor wasn't an FX CPU. It was actually a Phenom II X4 965 BE. I've tested it with the PSU of my setup and some random HDD because there was no hard drive included and a sussy PSU which im totally not going to use lol. It all works and im going to upgrade the ram to 16gb, buy a better looking case and a nice PSU. Im going to sell it or give it to my sister who has a shitty laptop rn.
@@neutrida5091 Yes, it's good. Don't waste money on a new cooler for an old FX CPU. The GPU alone sells for about 50€ frequently. They're my favorite to repaste and flip in esports builds with old HP ProDesk 280/400 G1/G2.
@@b0ne91 yes im going to pick it up after school at Friday and look how much of it works. I could maybe finish the build and flip the whole system for 150-200€. It only needs a PSU (because it looks to be sketchy) and an SSD. (And a lot of cleaning, its literally coated in dust xD)
I've taken to testing all of the AMD cards I get with NimeZ drivers, especially after seeing the difference they made in Halo Infinite. Sadly it can't add DX12_1 feature support, otherwise I'd have tried out Elden Ring on the R9 280!
You can! You can make Elden Ring work with VKD3D. People are even running it on Window 7. The way it work is essentially using a Vulkan wrapper around DX12 and GCN cards have full Vulkan 1.2 (iirc) support.
@@b0ne91 exciting stuff! I might have to look into this in depth one of these days, as I had a brief look over the Github page for it and my brain immediately switched off.
@@IcebergTech you can add Schaka#1940 on Discord. I'll PM you the DLLs that you need to put into your Elden Ring folder. You'll need to disable the anti cheat or play in offline mode (turn off internet) though.
@@aqyx R9 390 is GCN 2.0 and has feature level 12_0. GCN 3.0 (R9 Fury etc) as well. GCN 4.0 (aka Polaris) does as well. Then Vega was the first 12_1 iirc.
As a budget gamer the 7970 got me through all of 2020. I got it from my school when they were upgrading for the eSports team (they have 2070s now) I love that thing to death and now it's in my second rig I use to play games with friends
Us here in the open-source / Linux community never abandon our friends unless there are no more of those friends. (Those who do drop friends are shitheads) Glad to see you covered every aspect. The HD7870 is one of the best cards to ever be released, good to see someone considered this. One more thing. I understand why you do it but please consider Linux Mint Mate or XFCE over Ubuntu as those are a lot smoother. hope to see more community driver and Linux videos of yours in the future. :)
nice, was hoping you would do modded gcn. depressing how bad the final drivers are, sort of like a tradition at this point comfy video and informative as always
doing good budget, just busy with irl stuff most days but i do try and catch the videos when i have a chance. hope you and the discord gang are doing well
I bought an HD 7850 2GB just at the start of the big GPU price craze for 40 quid, and it's sat in a build with an FX-6300 and 16gigs of DDR3 and it couldn't be happier! Runs beautifully and is a nice pairing with such an old platform. Might actually get around to selling it this month 😅
@@jmri25 nice! I've been thinking about playong with a 3rd or 4th gen i7, got a 4th gen i5 and it's pretty solid but the hyper threading would be nice!
10:14 Yes the Fermi cards DO have dx12; even my gt 520m. Go use it on linux though and it hates you. My proprietary nvidia driver is non functional at this point. It just does nothing. Everytime I boot into it; it is at a really low res, and it gives me a warning about no video drivers being used. I have even reinstalled the drivers but nothing once again.
Just checked eBay UK and sadly that is the case. Cards are retailing at an average price of £60 (80 US Dollars as of the typing of this comment.) Only one I found at the price range shown at the beginning of this video is labelled as "parts only" and some even have the audacity to go higher, even among the prices these GPUs are retailing for at the minute. Someone even is as shameless as trying to charge you 600 US Dollars for it. Not only that, but also expects you to pay for delivery, too. Such an outcry. Such a bummer, too. I expect GPUs will go the way of CPUs in terms of pricing and retain higher prices than they should even with the shortage almost over. This really isn't a very good time to be proud of PC gaming.
@@JuuliiGamerHD I think budget builds just fucks over the prices at this point (no hate tho he makes good content but the impact just makes people from poorer countries suffer not having an actual good PC)
I just tried the Nimez drives and halo infinite went from single digit fps to 30 fps! it is just crazy how corporates sabotage their old products just to force consumers to buy the new stuff. I am keeping my r9 285 for another year thanks to this modded driver!
you can probably get a bunch more performance out of linux. The early gcn versions are supported by both the new and old linux drivers called radeon (older) and amdgpu (newer). Radeon shouldn't have vulkan and a bunch of optimizations (like valve's) and is the default. This will aspecially impact non native games which don't use opengl since it will use a translation layer to go from directx to opengl, that translation layer isn't very optimized and the newer directx to vulkan layer is way more so to the point of being used on the steamdeck by default. So it should give a fps boost, would probably give it either similar or better performance than the windows tests considering it's been actually getting optimizations for them. Switching between the 2 is a bit of a pain, you got to change the boot arguments via grub. Just google "linux switch radeon amdgpu" and you'll figure that part out. You'll also probably have to install vulkan manually. I'm very interested to see if that would actually give a performance uplift or non at all
Thanks for testing in Linux! There's plenty tweaking that can be done on the Linux side of things so maybe there's performance left on the table... would be nice to test with more quality Linux native games as well!
Such a dick move from AMD to cancel driver support for all of the GCN cards... The R9 390 is essentially an 8GB GTX 1060, which is still by far the most used GPU on the steam hardware survey. It grinds my gears! Fine wine indeed...
This is why open source drivers are important. If the company drops support - the community can still play around with these drivers. You can't do this on nvidia. The green team recentely open sourced their driver kernel modules for linux. Maybe they will make a move to switch to open source for their drivers? It would be very beneficial for both sides.
Going to install this on my backup rig's 290X. The Halo results make sense now as it run like utter crap on it despite much more demanding games running better at much higher settings. Thanks.
i had an R7 250X a HD7770 two HD7850s a HD7950 an R9 290X and an R9 390, im genuenly in love with the GCN architecture sad to see them go, Polaris way less of an interesting thing, had to go with GTX 970 this time, and well i dont have money for RDNA\ or newer than Pascal nVidia Cards
12:12 You really don't need to worry about what drivers (or operating system) you are running when you're playing at over 270 fps... in fact you'd probably still get 60+fps across the board if you cranked the settings up 😛 Though on the whole, I'm surprised about just how much performance you managed to gain from the modded drivers. That just shows you how poor AMD's final release drivers were. Let's hope that other cards don't also suffer the same issues with driver support.
WOW! You just reminded me how long ago that was. I had an HD 7850 2GB Gigabyte Windforce OC and I loved it. I can't believe it has been that long already. Even nicer it the fact that there are some games still worth playing with said cards.
Just found this channel after watching LTT and randomgaminginHD videos! Instant subscribed after a quick look on your channel , can't wait until I am off work to dive into this channel and watch some videos with a brew mate !
Loved this. Watched a bit earlier and just finished up now. Love the way you test this older hardware, way more interesting then watching the newer stuff I don't need and can't afford. I have a 7970 in my secondary rig and its still a solid card for my needs. Main is a GTX 780.
Incredible, these driver devs must be communicating with the game devs for this to work. They should open up a donation page. I am sure people would love to contribute to keeping these GPUs fresh.
I have found increasing the minimum FPS in Halo Infinite helps a lot. From around 30-35 fps without it, to 40-45 fps with a 60 fps minimum in multiplayer on a vega 7. That said, the graphic quality gets a big hit, though it isn't enough to hurt gameplay.
Just finished putting together a spare-parts build that included my old R7-265 (which is basically an overclocked 7850) and it's surprising how many things it can still run in a pinch.
I strongly suspect that the "radeon" driver was being used in the Linux test based off of your benchmarks. The "amdgpu" driver can be used however requires that they be manually enabled. These drivers do however provide better OpenGL performance on my 7850 as well as enabling Vulkan support, allowing the use of DXVK which itself performs a lot better than it's OpenGL counterpart WineD3D. Overall though nice video and I'm glad that these series of cards are still getting love EDIT: After some testing DXVK performance on these cards is a bit of a mixed bag. Furthermore, some newer distros seem to enable the amdgpu driver by default now. Enabling the amdgpu driver does also seem to yield consistently higher FPS on OpenGL though. If you are running games through Proton I found that enabling the amdgpu driver and adding "PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 PROTON_USE_WINED3D11=1 %command%" to your launch options almost always yielded the best results.
Im surprised people are not using linux. I tried to run citra emulator on windows on an i5 2320 with its intel hd 3000 gpu. the drivers didnt support a high enough gl version, so i switched over to ubuntu and compiled citra from source and it worked.
Looks like you scored a the XT model, some unofficially called it the 7930 because it was a cut down version of the 7970 & 7950. That's probably why the driver shows as a 280x.
Meanwhile, I still want a radeon 7990 because that's basically the newest dual gpu card, that is fully supported in windows xp. Not with the final drivers AMD bothered to release for the OS in general, mind, but it actually *has* a supported driver, which is more than I can say for the gtx 690. I was able to get my 690 to work with some inf modding, true; but then I lose the SLI support _that was the point of having such a card._
Budget-builds: Uploads a video about a cheap GPU that could help someone to have a card to play with. Some knob online seeing this vid: Time to charge extra for this card!
Reminds me of modded drivers that I used on my HD 6520G. The modded one is more stable than WHQL one on WIndows 10 and it even comes with Radeon Settings Crimson Edition!
It was bad back in the day when these cards were new. I had 2x 7970GHz GPU's in Crossfire and when it worked it was insanely fast. But the official drivers were hit and miss. Things would get fixed and then rebroken in every other driver release. I had to use TwL's modded drivers (also from Guru3d) and it was seriously night and day difference. For example, I remember getting 99% GPU usage on 1 card and around 40% usage on the second with the official drivers in Bad Company 2. Using TwL's drivers this went to 99% usage on BOTH GPU's and the frame rates went up from 45-55fps at max settings to 90-120fps!!! The modded drivers also fixed a lot of graphical bugs and issues too in many other games.
I remember my first 'good' laptop GPU. it was Radeon HD 8750M. It had 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM . Good enough for stuff like Portal 2 and Minecraft, in High settings
dude your the reason I search eBay and fb market place and managed to get a good deal on a pc which I got today and it games like a beast and got a budget gpu coming tomorrow
This is actually good news for me because I bought an old system for 20€ that has a HD 7870 and an FX CPU in it:) However, I'll have to test it first to see if it works xD (I'll update this comment on that note).
oh yhea, i had a sapphire 7870 in my very first gaming PC build. i remember just running the heaven benchmark for hours and being amazed at the power compared to my 360 when i had come from. many lost weeks to gaming were had with that PC.
Great card, shameful and piss poor attitude towards driver support on AMD's part. And 7:33 you definitely had a Sean Connery moment there bud. "Experiensh" 😅😜
Monty Oum would be so happy right now that a modding group for a Graphic card used RWBY concept art for their driver installation as I guess because Ruby looked to them as just fitting anime girl... When he was alive he was a hard core gamer and wanted what turned out to be his manga opus RWBY to be an anime... Also to inspire others to create... I'm so happy as a fan of his. Edit: sspelling
I had an old r9 270 as a hand me down from my brother when he upgraded to a 1070. It was my first gpu in my old system. It had an athlon 2 x4 640. Performance felt amazing at the time coming from the iGPU on the athlon giving me 11 fps on minecraft. It would play everything I threw at it at the time. Sadly it died a couple years ago. Rip first gpu.
Ah nice to see that I was right, when I commented in a post community! I did recently for my club 3d R9 270, i wanna see how much improvement can brings the deprecated mantle on BF4 instead of DX11. But somehow I can't figure out how perform in mantle with afterburner. About the name/gpu I'd change is due to better compatibility with unsupported games etc. , but watch out when os and games go auto settings. What about OGL games? I haven't so much improvement, maybe still persist amd bad optimizations. For something over r9 200 Series or at least with more vram than 2gb, these drivers are a must.
Do the Nimez drivers solve the AMD issue with OpenGL would be my question? I would love to use an older AMD card for an emulation system but need to stick with older nVideo cards because the OpenGL implementation in stock drivers are horrible in windows on AMD cards... And yes I know I could use Linux Mesa drivers but windows would be best... As an example I have a laptop with Radeon Built in Graphics and OpenGL usage in windows is horrible, but I get 4 times the performance in linux.
My old 280x-s still going strong in my other computers. Essentially a re-branded 7970... But longer driver support somehow. xD My main is a 1080Ti 11g from asus. Man I'm glad I got it before the prices skyrocketed. This beast still handles 1080p with max settings in every game.
That is a cool as hell looking GPU hehe call me (JK.), but this is honestly the coolest thing I've seen come from the PC community yet. I gives me a lot of hope for keeping more cards out of the ewaste landfill and into the hands of people who could use them *coughs* me *coughs*. But in all seriousness this is one of the coolest things ever and should be shared around to all the other big tech channels. Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed!
Nice video. I have the Radeon HD 7950 Twin Frozr iii 3GB. It works fine for the games I play at medium to low settings. Mine is paired with an FX8320 so I don't think the Nimez drivers would make that much difference in performance.
I was very much in the market for one of these but had ended up finding a deal on a GTX 660 SC 2gb, Nvidia did a fantastic job with the very very new proprietary drivers on Linux. The title worth mentioning for the insane performance this GTX 660 can put out is primarily Battlefield 4 which is capable of garnering an impressive average FPS of 180 on certain maps with the dynamic settings, Never below 85 FPS which if I had to guess would likely be the 1% low. However battlefield 1 highlights either the card's failures, or the Steam Play tool's failures as I experience extreme instability (most times) and permanent artifacting that can be tough to ignore. 70% of 1050P does not help Battlefield 1's stability but does give playable frame-rates in the event that the game occasionally decides to be stable, which is does sometimes.
Would be interesting to see HIP support for Blender in these drivers. That would actually be a small miracle and I would consider buying a few of them.
Not had a look recently - but my M18 X R2 has dual 7970m's (basically a mobile variant of the desktop 7870.) - Drivers were always a problem, and 'updating them' was even more of a problem.
7950 is still also good~! I still use it in my desktop to play games. I dont recall if they made a 4gb version, but three gigs does well still. Had no idea they were abandoned at all.
Great video! Planning on trying these out for a friend's R9 390 rig to hopefully get playable frames on Halo Infinite. Would you be able to post a link to the download?
I was running a 7850 2gb untill recently, it ran most games fine enough. It died. These modded drivers getting more public attention has actually caused prices to go up a lot already on the second hand market here, I can't get even that card for the same price I paid 2 years ago.
Is this applicable for the 7970 as well? My brother's 980ti died and can't afford a new GPU at all and has been rocking the 7970 for the last 2 years and it's been struggling really hard.
You should test some Fermi cards next to see how they stack up against the HD 7870! The GTX 780 and GTX 780 Ti aren't very expensive on Ebay right now (at least in the United States), so they may be a good buy.
but clean refurbish the compounds in the cardboard etc... chamfer the edge of the chip die, then soak the ram and power components and you can EVEN max overclock those cards then just custom install drivers for the 400 series and you are fine just have to set custom memory size since it was before memory standards.
Just a heads up GTA V was running in 1080p High not 1440p… it can manage 1440p but not at Ultra 👍
Also a link to the drivers: forums.guru3d.com/threads/3rd-party-driver-amernime-zone-radeon-insight-22-2-2-whql-driver-pack-released.436611/
any chance you could do a video on the 380x please? just upgraded my sons to a my old 580 and wanting to use the 380x for my youngest sons first pc
with the modded drivers
What res did you run Halo Infinite at?
hey, any chance these drivers work on a firepro w5100?
i just got one and it's pretty OK for 70€ but i bet it would be much better with drivers meant for gaming... can anyone advise?
You should do a video on R9 200 series and R9 300 series cards with these drivers.
Shame that the community even has to do any of this keep perfectly usable hardware alive, but I'm glad they're doing it! Shout out to the folks who developed the modded drivers as well as those who maintain the Mesa drivers!
There is always a limit to conservation when you're the manufacturer. If the company didn't keep up and reallocate focus on newer products, it would die.
I'd see it that way; Glad to see, that the community is on this!
@@Root3264 it's also a lot more acceptable when open source drivers exist.
As somebody who really likes open source software, I have to say that "the community" doing driver development on Linux is a rather normal thing. I still don't understand why companies don't open source their windows drivers. Or at least part of them...
At least better than Nvidia closed source drivers
@@roccociccone597 It partly has to do with them not wanting people to figure out how their hardware/drivers interact with one another, and partly because they don't want to be shown up by some random, even if it means they would have a better overall product at the end of the day without any additional work/costs
Just as a clarification: The Linux drivers are developed by a collaboration of AMD, Intel, Valve, and the rest of the Mesa community.
@@skimmingdeath yes, the Kernel drivers are developed mostly by AMD.
I was surprised at how fast support was dropped for my Fury X which infuriated me to no end. Forced me to build a whole new system prematurely. There's nothing wrong performance wise with the old system other than support. Really sad they think silicon goes bad after 5 years and want us end-users to shell out for a new GPU/CPU every 2-4 releases. Switched to Manjaro Linux after the fact and never looking back.
It's all about that money
Droping the fury series makes no sence as there are almost no changes in the design document to Polaris.
I personally think they did it to not be confusing. Like with nvidia diffret cards have different levels of driver support mobile kelper was dropped long ago.
It was fair to drop gcn1 at this point. Although thst saddens me as i have alot of gcn 1 cards.
@@andrewmcewan9145 It's a bit of GCN1 maybe should've been dropped a while ago, but the problem is that they sold GCN1 as a new and current product not all that long ago.
If they wanted to drop them and didn't want people playing the "will this driver work with my card?" game (that is already solved via asking what card you have when downloading}, they should've at least done a final Win11 update.
And Fury _really_ needed longer support.
@@Fay7666 I do agree. I own a nano and it was amazing for it price. Also being gcn3 it stand out form the rest of the lineup as a oddity.
As for amd i do not believe they did the nvidia thing where gpus with the same name can have diffrent uarch dies.
The 860m has a kelper and maxwell varient that is indistinguishable by name just as a example.
How ever i am not considered about community drives not being available for the fury till eol Polaris. As the design doc is essentialy the same and linux drivers are open source. But that does not excuse amd from handling the situation poorly.
ATI did this to the 9500 9600 9800 series in 2008 , perfectly good 3D GPUs for Linux gaming and G-Earth in 2007, they ruined them for Linux use with driver updates.. So using these for linux charity desktops for grandma and kids became pointless, everybody expected working 3D.
This benefitted Microsoft by keeping desktops Windows and pricey.
I don’t think AMD could have picked a worse time to drop driver support for GCN than they did, what with the gpu shortages and major releases like Halo Infinite just around the corner. Especially considering they’re still supporting these chips in consoles… I’ve got newer hardware myself but budget gamers who still depend on these cards have pretty much been purposely thrown under the bus by AMD on this one. At least the modded drivers do make an improvement in a lot of cases.
Yeah it was mind boggling that my new 5700G's iGPU ran Halo Infinite better than my Fury X.
So when do you propose they drop support for 10 year old hardware?
Yes, GCN ranged from 2011 to 2015, which I am saddened they killed my Fiji (Fury) as its still more than powerful enough for 1080p 60fps in 2022 but at the same time, I understand that it was pretty much support all GCN or kill all GCN and they decided to go with the latter.
Yes, I will acknowledge 300 series were released in 2015, where 6 years is actually quite short but let's be real here, the only cards that weren't in the initial release of GCN 1.0 was Hawaii (and refresh, 290X and 390X) and Fiji (Fury). The 380 was pretty much just a 285, which was just an improved 7970, the 370 was just a 265, which was just an improved 7850 (and the list goes on).
For reference, Nvidia killed driver support for Kepler (600/700 series) just before AMD killed support for GCN so it's not like Nvidia is any better (albeit lonely Fiji did have a slight premature death).
really unfortunate that they dropped driver support when the last driver version still sucked. they just never bothered finishing them
My first "big" GPU was a HD7750 (Amusingly, low profile / half height) so seeing this line of cards pop up in videos is a treat.
Radeon 7200 32mb DDR, to 1gb HD7750, to the 2gb 7870 to RX 480 on release for me. Killer performance for the money over the years!
I've got about the equalivent of that.
My PS4 running Linux lol. But the drivers are far from 100% though.
Most powerful rig I've ever had sadly.
@@1986tbirdwilly nimez helps the rx 480 to if you feel your perfomance isnt great used ddu and wipe your drivers and try nimez they tend to help the 1% lows more
I'm running a 7950 at the moment because my GTX 980 died recently. It's been a good card so far. Whilst overclocked, it can run Minecraft 1.18.1 with complimentary shaders at 1440p with 30fps most of the time. That is the sort of performance my dying 980 was giving. For £60 (from CeX) it is a brilliant budget option.
Also I've noticed that CeX have been doing something dodgy with dead cards returned under warranty... They are reselling them. When I bought my 7950, I actually ordered two because I knew that I was probably gonna receive a dead one... And I did. This is something very concerning that I've noticed over the past couple years (I noticed it with a laptop that I bought and returned because of a dead GPU and HDD) and no they don't bother trying to repair them.
Just flash the 7970 bios on it, check the cooling and OC it a bit. Free Upgrade! Works with 7870 XT (only XT!) too! Was the sht back in the day
minecraft isnt intensively gpu unless your using really hefty shaders. id assume your cpu bottlenecked gpu because 980 should have gotten much more fps than hd 7950
sadly been like that for years at cex
@@younglingslayer2896 bit of an update on what I said. The other 7950 ended up dying. They changed their policy so after one month into the warranty they can only repair or replace and at a last resort, refund to voucher. Well we'll see how the third 7950 does.
Pretty sure minecraft is optimized for amd/ati gpu
Whoa, I actually have an R9 270 and was just thinking about looking at it again, so that's some pretty impeccable timing!
I had a Laptop with an Hd 7970m, great card and basically an Hd 7870, at the time I was really impressed by it.
It ran every game I throwed at it.
Now my brother is using that Laptop, maybe this modded drivers will breathe some more life into it.
Since they have DX12 (11_1) support, they run a lot more games than Kepler cards. Also great Vulkan support, so native Vulkan games run amazingly well AND you can wrap pure DX12 titles with VKD3D.
Developer here.
About security concerns, there's nothing to worry about. The driver packages like DLL, EXE, SYS, etc are still organic.
Especially for GCN release, multiple whql parserinf are needed to maintain WHQL state. We still make the documentation how nimez behavior work, but the time consuming on hotfixing keeps delayed that documentation.
No reverse enginering, just using latest compatible dll from latest amd driver release. Since driver packages are mixed version like:
Dx12 and vk from WU 27.20.22x
Dx universal from WU 27.20.21x
Kernel from WU 27.20.15x
These 3 all need to be parsed by using pnputil and inside package are using dummy file with original inf and cat to get WHQL signature, that's why install this driver anywhay shown. It's SQL-like method. When amdxc64.dll found original signature installed on drivestore, it will detected as WHQL.
Sorry for my engilsh
(Updated)This is actually pretty nice news for me because I bought an old system someone wanted to get rid of for 20€ and It has a HD 7870 and some FX CPU in it :)
But I will first have to test if it even works xD ( I will update this comment on that note)
I got the PC and had to carry it after school all the way back home even. (R.i.p arms) Then I cleaned the GPU (HD 7870 GHz Edition) and the whole PC which was completely covered in nasty dust...
Next i reapplied the thermal Paste (I always use Nivea hand cream XD) and saw that the processor wasn't an FX CPU. It was actually a Phenom II X4 965 BE. I've tested it with the PSU of my setup and some random HDD because there was no hard drive included and a sussy PSU which im totally not going to use lol.
It all works and im going to upgrade the ram to 16gb, buy a better looking case and a nice PSU. Im going to sell it or give it to my sister who has a shitty laptop rn.
Great deal if it works.
Upgrade the CPU cooler to Coolmaster Evo 212, they are cheap and work well.
@@joefish6091 the cpu cooler is literally a noctua lol. Isn't that good?
@@neutrida5091 Yes, it's good. Don't waste money on a new cooler for an old FX CPU. The GPU alone sells for about 50€ frequently. They're my favorite to repaste and flip in esports builds with old HP ProDesk 280/400 G1/G2.
@@b0ne91 yes im going to pick it up after school at Friday and look how much of it works. I could maybe finish the build and flip the whole system for 150-200€. It only needs a PSU (because it looks to be sketchy) and an SSD. (And a lot of cleaning, its literally coated in dust xD)
I've taken to testing all of the AMD cards I get with NimeZ drivers, especially after seeing the difference they made in Halo Infinite. Sadly it can't add DX12_1 feature support, otherwise I'd have tried out Elden Ring on the R9 280!
You can! You can make Elden Ring work with VKD3D. People are even running it on Window 7. The way it work is essentially using a Vulkan wrapper around DX12 and GCN cards have full Vulkan 1.2 (iirc) support.
@@b0ne91 exciting stuff! I might have to look into this in depth one of these days, as I had a brief look over the Github page for it and my brain immediately switched off.
@@IcebergTech you can add Schaka#1940 on Discord. I'll PM you the DLLs that you need to put into your Elden Ring folder. You'll need to disable the anti cheat or play in offline mode (turn off internet) though.
elden ring runs just fine on my R9 390?
@@aqyx R9 390 is GCN 2.0 and has feature level 12_0. GCN 3.0 (R9 Fury etc) as well.
GCN 4.0 (aka Polaris) does as well. Then Vega was the first 12_1 iirc.
As a budget gamer the 7970 got me through all of 2020. I got it from my school when they were upgrading for the eSports team (they have 2070s now) I love that thing to death and now it's in my second rig I use to play games with friends
hey does your school auction off the old pc
@@largepizza3341 no, they were all sold off last year
Nice shout out from Linus!
Us here in the open-source / Linux community never abandon our friends unless there are no more of those friends. (Those who do drop friends are shitheads) Glad to see you covered every aspect. The HD7870 is one of the best cards to ever be released, good to see someone considered this. One more thing. I understand why you do it but please consider Linux Mint Mate or XFCE over Ubuntu as those are a lot smoother.
hope to see more community driver and Linux videos of yours in the future. :)
nice, was hoping you would do modded gcn. depressing how bad the final drivers are, sort of like a tradition at this point
comfy video and informative as always
Myth my man, hope you’re doing well. 👍
doing good budget, just busy with irl stuff most days but i do try and catch the videos when i have a chance. hope you and the discord gang are doing well
Everyone Discord side is doing good, keep on keeping on big man 👌
Wow those drivers work really well! I did not expect that! Good video. And btw. nice name u have !! :D
I bought an HD 7850 2GB just at the start of the big GPU price craze for 40 quid, and it's sat in a build with an FX-6300 and 16gigs of DDR3 and it couldn't be happier! Runs beautifully and is a nice pairing with such an old platform. Might actually get around to selling it this month 😅
Hd7870 here, with i7 3770, 16gig ram. Great on an apple cinema display 27. Games and emulation are running great. Really happy with my build
@@jmri25 nice! I've been thinking about playong with a 3rd or 4th gen i7, got a 4th gen i5 and it's pretty solid but the hyper threading would be nice!
10:14 Yes the Fermi cards DO have dx12; even my gt 520m.
Go use it on linux though and it hates you. My proprietary nvidia driver is non functional at this point.
It just does nothing. Everytime I boot into it; it is at a really low res, and it gives me a warning about no video drivers being used. I have even reinstalled the drivers but nothing once again.
Let me guess it will go 50% up in price because you talked about it
it did.
@@KrowNN bruh
@@KrowNN fr?
Just checked eBay UK and sadly that is the case. Cards are retailing at an average price of £60 (80 US Dollars as of the typing of this comment.) Only one I found at the price range shown at the beginning of this video is labelled as "parts only" and some even have the audacity to go higher, even among the prices these GPUs are retailing for at the minute.
Someone even is as shameless as trying to charge you 600 US Dollars for it. Not only that, but also expects you to pay for delivery, too. Such an outcry.
Such a bummer, too. I expect GPUs will go the way of CPUs in terms of pricing and retain higher prices than they should even with the shortage almost over.
This really isn't a very good time to be proud of PC gaming.
@@JuuliiGamerHD I think budget builds just fucks over the prices at this point (no hate tho he makes good content but the impact just makes people from poorer countries suffer not having an actual good PC)
I'm frankly shocked how fast AMD dropped support for wide range of GPU's. (HD 7770 2 gig User) Thanks for the review Budget-Builds!
7770 2gb is a great card
@@thelegendaryck I'm quiet impressed how well it performs. I will run this card as long as possible if I can.
I just tried the Nimez drives and halo infinite went from single digit fps to 30 fps! it is just crazy how corporates sabotage their old products just to force consumers to buy the new stuff. I am keeping my r9 285 for another year thanks to this modded driver!
Here from Linus & I never knew this existed damn. Subscribed
you can probably get a bunch more performance out of linux. The early gcn versions are supported by both the new and old linux drivers called radeon (older) and amdgpu (newer). Radeon shouldn't have vulkan and a bunch of optimizations (like valve's) and is the default.
This will aspecially impact non native games which don't use opengl since it will use a translation layer to go from directx to opengl, that translation layer isn't very optimized and the newer directx to vulkan layer is way more so to the point of being used on the steamdeck by default. So it should give a fps boost, would probably give it either similar or better performance than the windows tests considering it's been actually getting optimizations for them.
Switching between the 2 is a bit of a pain, you got to change the boot arguments via grub. Just google "linux switch radeon amdgpu" and you'll figure that part out.
You'll also probably have to install vulkan manually.
I'm very interested to see if that would actually give a performance uplift or non at all
Thanks for testing in Linux! There's plenty tweaking that can be done on the Linux side of things so maybe there's performance left on the table... would be nice to test with more quality Linux native games as well!
Such a dick move from AMD to cancel driver support for all of the GCN cards... The R9 390 is essentially an 8GB GTX 1060, which is still by far the most used GPU on the steam hardware survey. It grinds my gears! Fine wine indeed...
I am very surprised with the benchmark results, got lower expectations really.
Never expected to hit 60+ FPS in GTAV, in 1440p with Ultra Settings? That's impressive...
@@gamtax It was actually wrong, that's 1080p
@@gamtax it's a old game
This is why open source drivers are important. If the company drops support - the community can still play around with these drivers. You can't do this on nvidia. The green team recentely open sourced their driver kernel modules for linux. Maybe they will make a move to switch to open source for their drivers? It would be very beneficial for both sides.
That AMD Rant was goddamn satisfying to hear.
Going to install this on my backup rig's 290X. The Halo results make sense now as it run like utter crap on it despite much more demanding games running better at much higher settings. Thanks.
Came here from Linus Tech Tips. Great video. You're going to make it big one day :-)
Wow. THE Techwen commenting on my channel????!!!!
i had an R7 250X a HD7770 two HD7850s a HD7950 an R9 290X and an R9 390, im genuenly in love with the GCN architecture sad to see them go, Polaris way less of an interesting thing, had to go with GTX 970 this time, and well i dont have money for RDNA\ or newer than Pascal nVidia Cards
My friend still has an HD 7970 and I'll be sure to inform him about these modded drivers to keep his games running. Thanks again for the great video!
12:12 You really don't need to worry about what drivers (or operating system) you are running when you're playing at over 270 fps... in fact you'd probably still get 60+fps across the board if you cranked the settings up 😛
Though on the whole, I'm surprised about just how much performance you managed to gain from the modded drivers. That just shows you how poor AMD's final release drivers were. Let's hope that other cards don't also suffer the same issues with driver support.
WOW! You just reminded me how long ago that was. I had an HD 7850 2GB Gigabyte Windforce OC and I loved it. I can't believe it has been that long already. Even nicer it the fact that there are some games still worth playing with said cards.
Just found this channel after watching LTT and randomgaminginHD videos! Instant subscribed after a quick look on your channel , can't wait until I am off work to dive into this channel and watch some videos with a brew mate !
Your videos are great, I love your content especially after night shifts, so educational and relaxing. Keep em coming mate. Thanks and God bless.
Loved this. Watched a bit earlier and just finished up now. Love the way you test this older hardware, way more interesting then watching the newer stuff I don't need and can't afford. I have a 7970 in my secondary rig and its still a solid card for my needs. Main is a GTX 780.
Incredible, these driver devs must be communicating with the game devs for this to work. They should open up a donation page. I am sure people would love to contribute to keeping these GPUs fresh.
I have found increasing the minimum FPS in Halo Infinite helps a lot. From around 30-35 fps without it, to 40-45 fps with a 60 fps minimum in multiplayer on a vega 7. That said, the graphic quality gets a big hit, though it isn't enough to hurt gameplay.
Just finished putting together a spare-parts build that included my old R7-265 (which is basically an overclocked 7850) and it's surprising how many things it can still run in a pinch.
Yep, exact same card and die.
I strongly suspect that the "radeon" driver was being used in the Linux test based off of your benchmarks. The "amdgpu" driver can be used however requires that they be manually enabled. These drivers do however provide better OpenGL performance on my 7850 as well as enabling Vulkan support, allowing the use of DXVK which itself performs a lot better than it's OpenGL counterpart WineD3D.
Overall though nice video and I'm glad that these series of cards are still getting love
EDIT: After some testing DXVK performance on these cards is a bit of a mixed bag. Furthermore, some newer distros seem to enable the amdgpu driver by default now. Enabling the amdgpu driver does also seem to yield consistently higher FPS on OpenGL though. If you are running games through Proton I found that enabling the amdgpu driver and adding "PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 PROTON_USE_WINED3D11=1 %command%" to your launch options almost always yielded the best results.
As it turns out, this might already be enabled on newer distros
You always make such enjoyable videos..
Doggo looks comfortable. Nice cameo.
Im surprised people are not using linux. I tried to run citra emulator on windows on an i5 2320 with its intel hd 3000 gpu. the drivers didnt support a high enough gl version, so i switched over to ubuntu and compiled citra from source and it worked.
Looks like you scored a the XT model, some unofficially called it the 7930 because it was a cut down version of the 7970 & 7950. That's probably why the driver shows as a 280x.
Sapphire probably
Meanwhile, I still want a radeon 7990 because that's basically the newest dual gpu card, that is fully supported in windows xp. Not with the final drivers AMD bothered to release for the OS in general, mind, but it actually *has* a supported driver, which is more than I can say for the gtx 690. I was able to get my 690 to work with some inf modding, true; but then I lose the SLI support _that was the point of having such a card._
That gelid icy cooler is absolutely beautiful
i just got my hands on an HD 7790, you bet i'm going to install these drivers, thanks for the vid!
Budget-builds: Uploads a video about a cheap GPU that could help someone to have a card to play with.
Some knob online seeing this vid: Time to charge extra for this card!
Reminds me of modded drivers that I used on my HD 6520G. The modded one is more stable than WHQL one on WIndows 10 and it even comes with Radeon Settings Crimson Edition!
Back in 2011 I was playing Crysis with 1gb of ddr5 at 850 MHz and it was ok. It should still be ok but it isn't.
The hardware didn't change 🤪
It was bad back in the day when these cards were new. I had 2x 7970GHz GPU's in Crossfire and when it worked it was insanely fast. But the official drivers were hit and miss. Things would get fixed and then rebroken in every other driver release. I had to use TwL's modded drivers (also from Guru3d) and it was seriously night and day difference. For example, I remember getting 99% GPU usage on 1 card and around 40% usage on the second with the official drivers in Bad Company 2. Using TwL's drivers this went to 99% usage on BOTH GPU's and the frame rates went up from 45-55fps at max settings to 90-120fps!!!
The modded drivers also fixed a lot of graphical bugs and issues too in many other games.
0:21 damn i thought it was gonna fall into the water.
I remember my first 'good' laptop GPU. it was Radeon HD 8750M. It had 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM . Good enough for stuff like Portal 2 and Minecraft, in High settings
Appreciate the puppy cameos super adorable
I've always wondered how older hardware in general would perform if the software ran on it was optimized well.
dude your the reason I search eBay and fb market place and managed to get a good deal on a pc which I got today and it games like a beast and got a budget gpu coming tomorrow
Linus Tech Tips mentioned this video in one of their videos, maybe you'll get a lot more views and subscribers than normal. Congratulations.
Your dog is so adorable 😚 Thanks for the review!
This is actually good news for me because I bought an old system for 20€ that has a HD 7870 and an FX CPU in it:) However, I'll have to test it first to see if it works xD (I'll update this comment on that note).
comment to remember
Shut up botted channel
I do have a HD 7990. I wonder if the Nimez drivers will make it run a good deal faster. Its serviceable on Forza Horizon 4 but that'd kinda it.
I have a r9 fury and did not know about this. Thanks for this!
oh yhea, i had a sapphire 7870 in my very first gaming PC build. i remember just running the heaven benchmark for hours and being amazed at the power compared to my 360 when i had come from. many lost weeks to gaming were had with that PC.
7970GHZ edition still hauls ass, same with the 290X 4gb. Only two GCN cards I refuse to sell. I'm on a 6900XT now.
It is good to know it works in Linux.
A sight of electronics near water has always been somewhat disturbing to me.
Great card, shameful and piss poor attitude towards driver support on AMD's part. And 7:33 you definitely had a Sean Connery moment there bud. "Experiensh" 😅😜
Monty Oum would be so happy right now that a modding group for a Graphic card used RWBY concept art for their driver installation as I guess because Ruby looked to them as just fitting anime girl... When he was alive he was a hard core gamer and wanted what turned out to be his manga opus RWBY to be an anime... Also to inspire others to create... I'm so happy as a fan of his. Edit: sspelling
I had an old r9 270 as a hand me down from my brother when he upgraded to a 1070. It was my first gpu in my old system. It had an athlon 2 x4 640. Performance felt amazing at the time coming from the iGPU on the athlon giving me 11 fps on minecraft. It would play everything I threw at it at the time. Sadly it died a couple years ago. Rip first gpu.
14:37 the dog increases the GPU's value to up to 400%
I'm still running this card today waiting for prices to go down for over 2 years now
Ah nice to see that I was right, when I commented in a post community! I did recently for my club 3d R9 270, i wanna see how much improvement can brings the deprecated mantle on BF4 instead of DX11. But somehow I can't figure out how perform in mantle with afterburner. About the name/gpu I'd change is due to better compatibility with unsupported games etc. , but watch out when os and games go auto settings. What about OGL games? I haven't so much improvement, maybe still persist amd bad optimizations. For something over r9 200 Series or at least with more vram than 2gb, these drivers are a must.
Do the Nimez drivers solve the AMD issue with OpenGL would be my question? I would love to use an older AMD card for an emulation system but need to stick with older nVideo cards because the OpenGL implementation in stock drivers are horrible in windows on AMD cards... And yes I know I could use Linux Mesa drivers but windows would be best... As an example I have a laptop with Radeon Built in Graphics and OpenGL usage in windows is horrible, but I get 4 times the performance in linux.
It's better, but not even close to radeonSI on linux.
Nice video... Lucky the community still maintaining driver's for these old cards...
What's your dogs name bdw? He's really cute XD
My old 280x-s still going strong in my other computers. Essentially a re-branded 7970... But longer driver support somehow. xD
My main is a 1080Ti 11g from asus. Man I'm glad I got it before the prices skyrocketed. This beast still handles 1080p with max settings in every game.
That is a cool as hell looking GPU hehe call me (JK.), but this is honestly the coolest thing I've seen come from the PC community yet. I gives me a lot of hope for keeping more cards out of the ewaste landfill and into the hands of people who could use them *coughs* me *coughs*. But in all seriousness this is one of the coolest things ever and should be shared around to all the other big tech channels. Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed!
The 7870 was my first gpu!! I bought it in 2018 for like 30$ in my first pc. Built the whole thing for 150$ flipped it a year later for 300$
Nice video. I have the Radeon HD 7950 Twin Frozr iii 3GB. It works fine for the games I play at medium to low settings. Mine is paired with an FX8320 so I don't think the Nimez drivers would make that much difference in performance.
I was very much in the market for one of these but had ended up finding a deal on a GTX 660 SC 2gb, Nvidia did a fantastic job with the very very new proprietary drivers on Linux. The title worth mentioning for the insane performance this GTX 660 can put out is primarily Battlefield 4 which is capable of garnering an impressive average FPS of 180 on certain maps with the dynamic settings, Never below 85 FPS which if I had to guess would likely be the 1% low. However battlefield 1 highlights either the card's failures, or the Steam Play tool's failures as I experience extreme instability (most times) and permanent artifacting that can be tough to ignore. 70% of 1050P does not help Battlefield 1's stability but does give playable frame-rates in the event that the game occasionally decides to be stable, which is does sometimes.
So we just pretending we didn't see that bug crawl by the card at 3:57
Wow, Kenshi, I see you're a man of culture.
Would be interesting to see HIP support for Blender in these drivers.
That would actually be a small miracle and I would consider buying a few of them.
Not had a look recently - but my M18 X R2 has dual 7970m's (basically a mobile variant of the desktop 7870.) - Drivers were always a problem, and 'updating them' was even more of a problem.
7950 is still also good~! I still use it in my desktop to play games. I dont recall if they made a 4gb version, but three gigs does well still.
Had no idea they were abandoned at all.
Great video! Planning on trying these out for a friend's R9 390 rig to hopefully get playable frames on Halo Infinite. Would you be able to post a link to the download?
This video reminds me of me installing a Modded drivers for Intel GMA 950/3150 and HD 4000.
I was running a 7850 2gb untill recently, it ran most games fine enough. It died. These modded drivers getting more public attention has actually caused prices to go up a lot already on the second hand market here, I can't get even that card for the same price I paid 2 years ago.
hiya mate just to let you know you're in a Linus tech tips video, kinda crazy how much you've grown.
Oh man valley benchmark takes me back!
Is this applicable for the 7970 as well? My brother's 980ti died and can't afford a new GPU at all and has been rocking the 7970 for the last 2 years and it's been struggling really hard.
Came here from LTT because you are now featured in LTT video!
I have a HD 7970 (Asus Matrix) on my 2nd PC and it's still more capable than I thought it was. Of course using the modded drivers as well. :)
I have an Asus 7970 direct cu ii, is the modded driver experience better than stock?
The card that just won't die. Modded drivers are amazing.
There's rdr2 mods specifically for 2gb vram cards!
I've never had to use them but it's interesting for these cases. You should try them next time
You should test some Fermi cards next to see how they stack up against the HD 7870! The GTX 780 and GTX 780 Ti aren't very expensive on Ebay right now (at least in the United States), so they may be a good buy.
but clean refurbish the compounds in the cardboard etc... chamfer the edge of the chip die, then soak the ram and power components and you can EVEN max overclock those cards then just custom install drivers for the 400 series and you are fine just have to set custom memory size since it was before memory standards.
About drivers this series of cards still has support on the latest macOS release, making it a still good hackintosh cards or even mac pro cards