How good is the Clio 200 Cup and is it as fast as our 172?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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Our first tracktime since pre-lockdown and our good friend Darren was kind enough to let us jump in his Clio 200 Cup so we could compare it on track to our 172. Having owned the Clio 197 before, we were aware of how good the Mk3 Clio Sports are but it has been a while since we've driven one. As the video shows, we were very quickly reminded just how special they are to drive on track.
Car specs:
Clio RS 172:
Intake - Ramair induction kit
Exhaust - decat, custom stainless catback
Front suspension - BC DS coilovers with 3 degrees negative camber (adjustable top mounts, camber bolts)
Rear suspension - BC DS 'coilovers', rear axle shim plates (camber and toe adjustments)
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS1.11 pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Rear Brakes - Pagid pro race pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Tyres - Yokohama AD08R 195/50/15
Interior - rear cage, perspex front windows, fully stripped
Clio 200 Cup:
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS1.11 pads
Exhaust - Milltek
Suspension - Eibach lowering springs
Tyres - Semi-slick rally tyres
Interior - all spare seats removed, short-shift kit, bucket seat.
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Good to see my old 172 still going strong,!
I will never get tired of watching you guys trashing around these fwd baguettes! An absolute pleasure to watch! Great content
Baguettes 🤣🤣🤣
Mec t'es francais et t'arrive à t'auto denigrer en disant baguette mdr c'est comme si j'appelais toute les anglaises les bagnoles des rosbif
The Gloved Driver ! Vous ici ! Merci pour vos excellentes vidéos !
@@frenchpatriot7356 fais pas ta majorée cest de l'humour mdr
@@Max-vx5bc bof si je parlais d'un produit chinois on disant c'est un truc de face de nems ça serait marrant ?
172 cup owner! Definitely see the difference in handling between the two, 200 is definitely more capable. Little 172 power to weight really shows on the straights though! Great vid 👍
Been in a stripped 172 track car. They really do fly!
The fist waving and shouting gets me laughing every time. xD such good cars.
I live in Japan.
I always look forward to your videos.
This video was very interesting and very entertaining too!
We'll take care of each other and look forward to the next video.
Where are you in Japan? I'm near Osaka myself and happen to also own a 172 RS1 :)
I actually just bought a 172 RS2 F1 Team last friday also :)
traxnada
I live in the Tohoku region, which is much further north than Osaka.
But it's surprising how often people in similar cars meet each other, so maybe we'll cross paths at some point!
@@ryo-san1805 Oh yes that's far indeed! Well if you ever do a road trip down here, message me again on here, I'll surely be around ;)
Cheers!
You guys could make a video on a tour of your cars. Which mods you've done, what has broken, what's been reliable, your expertise on whats really a must do mod with these cars, whats not so... a little bit of your expertise on mods and ownership. Your videos are such pleasure to watch, it would be nice if you guys posted more : )
You guys are the craziest out there, that's for sure :'D always pushing to the limit with these little beasts :D
Great video! I stick with my 172 phase 1, which I fell in love with, not because of its performance (alone), but because of its looks. True love :-)
Great vids my favourite channel now that danny dc2 doesnt make vids
I love my 172 Rs phase 1 which has run 334000 kilometers and it is still very fast only problem is that it pulls to the right love this car man.
Love the vid as always! Alex, Matt, have you thought of doing a video on what the cars are running and what plans you have for them? (Other than buying a clio 200)
Thanks for the support bud! A good idea, some car walkarounds etc are on the cards!
Nice to see you guys back on track
I've had great moments with friends on track in my little 17poo, great cars smiles per miles 💯👍🏾
cant' wait to get my 172 RS1 back on the track!!!!congrats boys !!!still entertaining clips!!! cheers from France and "vive la baguette!!"
I had 182 track spec and now have a 200 track spec. The 200 is definitely better. Not really that much in the performance stakes but the suspension set up and chassis is much improved over the 182. Both great cars tho!
Which is most fun? Does the 200 lacks the torque because of being heavier?
I drove a 172 and had great low down grunt...
Having owned both I'd say the 172 is lighter and more agile, marginally quicker and for what its worth much better on fuel. But the 197/200 is so much more confidence inspiring. The chassis is so capable that the car actually feels like it could do with another 100bhp. I loved both for different reasons and would love to own either again in the future.
Genuinely love watching these videos, especially as they have a lot of Renaultsport in them; I've always had a love for the Clio. Looking forward to the day I can afford a few good mods for my 197. Question: since you guys drive with such finesse, did you ever have any training, if so, where? Or did you just grow up learning?
I have both cars , clio 172 cup and clio 197 only had the cup on track. Cant wait to get the 197 on track to compare with the 172 cup. Both great cars. Brillaint video. I have took the cup to knockhill, croft and oulton park and it's never let me down 👍.
Have you had the 197 on track yet to compare? What are they like against each other on the road?
@@scottderrington4068 yeah mate had both on track. The 172 Cup i have done about 14 trackdays and the 197 had on track at croft last year. They both were brilliant on track. The 172 felt that bit lighter.
I belong to the RS club here in Cape Town South Africa . I’ve had the 182 RS as well as The R26 megane and Clio Rs200 luxe . And they have all been mapped plus extras and for me personally the RS200 stole me from the get go has the best fuel consumption can be thrashed all day . And is so so sooo capable. Just got to watch them gearbox synchros 😂 .
Awesome vid! Fellow 200 owner here, they really are epic on track. Just wondering if this car was running an LSD? It was putting the power down so nicely out of some of the slower speed corners.
The 200 with proper Coilovers, polybushed and upgraded anti-roll bars would be unstoppable
Another amazing video lads!! Top driving as always.
Would love for one of you to get behind the wheel in an R26 or 250 CUP and give it hell!
If you know of anyone willing to let us loose... send them our way!
this was genuinely an epic video
So composed! Very good, guys!
Good to see you back boys 👍
Nice video guys!!!! And nice driving as usual!
Excellent as always gents 👌
You guys are madlads haha and the cars are awesome !
I've owned both these cars, albeit the 200 was FF with the cup pack. The 172 was probably the most fun as it's like driving a go-kart, but the 200 was so much more refined you could really throw it round the road with confidence.
I'm pleased I got to own both and never regretted owning them. Just keep them serviced and replace the belts early. Come on Renault, lets get back to making amazing hot hatches.
Some crazy people on trackdays lately just like these people, complete asbo behaviour behind the wheel driving like lunatics with no regards for other track users and lift off oversteer all over the show, and some close calls nearly ending their cars and I absolutely love it!
Another great video! I always comment the same lol, but that fist celebrating and the laughs, really make my day!
Toujours aussi amusant vos vidéo
Continuer ! 😍
Iam so loving this!
The sound of the clio 200 🥰
Rally semi slicks are mental good run them on my megane
This channel is hilarious 👍
that syncro sounds like its seen better days lol
Is there someone with a 106 Rallye on the track? Respect.
Yep, that was one of the Garage Midnight guys
@@CamberandCombustion thanks for the reply, I'll check them out!
I think you were short shifting a bit and not using its full potential personally. They need to be wound up to 7500 in every gear (200 factory cup owner)
Had you been doing so I don’t think there would be any difference on the straights between the cars.
At 2:33 take that steering lock off ! Let it drift out much faster 👍🏻
“Bit hot through the hairpin”
UA-cam decides to give me a Durex ad. Coincidence? I think not!
Great fun!
I bought 197 CUP in white Today 2023 . woo!
And there was me thinking you might of gone rwd. One day maybe one day
I'd be interested in seeing a 206 GTi 180 vs a Clio 172
I had a GTI 180. 120k miles of pure fun! Seriously underrated car and funny as f**k in the wet. Think the light weight of the 172 would prob win out on track tho.
@@leetymcleet6490 i had a 172 cup in 2006, my mate had a 206 gti 180. The clio was noticably quicker in a straight line.
You guys rock :D
I've a 200 rs unbelievable sorted hothatch , love mine keep thinking about a megan conversion on it though ,,
Just buy a Megane 250! I’ve got both and there both totally different drives.
I know but I just love the looks of the clio !!
Neil Benton get it supercharged!😛
want to see you driving suzuki swift sport zc31s
Hi I’m a big fan of the channel and I own a Clio cup 172 it’s on my channel. I recently had the gear box go and was hoping for some pointers on which ones are a good replacement as people seem pretty conflicted about it on the Clio forum and I knew that you guys know your stuff when it comes to clios. If you don’t have time for my comment then I fully understand thanks.
Hi Pel, thanks for the kind words! Unfortunately we don't know a whole lot about the gearboxes for Clios. From our experience the standard one on our 172 seems to be suited relatively well to the tracks we've been to. I think one thing to look for which you may already know is to make sure you get the one with the right bits to drive the speedo as the 172s pull the speedo from the geerbox not the ABS rings on the driveshafts.
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Alex: 💪
What mods is the 200 running and what pads? Great fun video as always
Eibach springs with standard cup dampers, Ferodo DS1.11 pads and some semi slick rally tyres!
Another great video. What camera was in the 172? If its the same what settings? Works much better in the light!
Gopro hero 8 Black, and we manually set the exposure before hand. On the helmet cam it was a hero 5 black we messed up and left it on auto exposure and it didn't work so well.
@@CamberandCombustion thanks for the reply! Your videos always seem a right giggle!!!!
Is 200 any good Matt? 😂
Even with the Setup on the 182 it’s no match for them tyres fitted to that 200 lol. 182 noticeably quicker on the straights tho, even with the slower corner speeds and exits!
Need to come and meet the locals here at the nurburgring lads 👌
Has the engine been modified in the 172?
That Matt's getting a 200 soon 😂😂
Any footage of the MG that was out with you guys? Would love to see that!
Unfortunately not, but we're out with him again soon so hopefully
What are the semi slick tyres that the MK3 is on?
which of the two cars is more fun?
I think the 172 would match the 200's corner speed if it had a proper semi on :)
Matt had a semi on 👀
@@CamberandCombustion yeah but the Yoko compared to like an nankang is not the fastest tyre
What exhaust is on the clio 200, sounds epic
weren't the garage midnight bois out on track ? warm hatchs
Yeah they were having a lot of fun by the looks of it!
Camber and Combustion good to hear
Chaps......any merchandise on the horizon? Or have i missed it?
Mike
Hi Mike, we've recently run a batch of Vive la Baguette sunstrips and have a couple left. What sort of thing would you be interested in?
That’s how I’ve always described my 200 cup trophee.. just feels right 🤷🏻♂️
They made 200 Trophy?
@@drazenbudis7881 Maybe just a model iteration for Australian market. I think the only difference for the Trophee over here was the hardcore Recaro buckets and different wheels. Best part is you barely ever see them over here! Makes it feel so much more special
Did you ever drive a rs1 ? Whats your opinion on her ? I have this car and i love it :)
No we haven't had a go in one...yet!
How much for 306??
Clio 172 is quicker than the Clio 200
@Mark Bundy quite clearly the 172 is quicker watch the video
I'm torn between selling my 172 and getting a 200 😅 or keeping my 172
What happened with the fabulous 306?
I'd like to know the reason why the 172 pulled ahead. I presume down to weight or some other mods like flywheel?
Flywheel is standard, 172 is a lot lighter and with 180bhp its quicker on the straights
Demain on fait pareille avec la ford à papa ok ou la type e 😂
aaaaahhhh ohhhhh woooaaahhhh aaah
I went from 306 GTi-6 to 200 Cup - both bloody fantastic in their own ways. Might be hard not going back-to-back, but is the 200 that much different from the 197?
You've owned a couple of the best hot hatches! We remember our old 197 being very good, for some reason this 200 felt even more incredible to drive but that may have been because we'd just jumped out of the old-school 172.
Camber and Combustion quicker ratio steering rack on 200 CUP might make the front feel more positive
A baguette 🥖 will always be in my stable
didnt you guys have a 197 before? which blew up lol.. is the 200 very different to the 197?
Yes we did... and yes it did! It's hard to say how 197 vs 200 feels, maybe because we are no used to driving the 172 the 200 feels extra good.
What tyres we're they both on?
See description
The 200 is so much better!
Great Great Great 🤩🤩
Are these your dailies?
No, both track cars! Although the 200 would be fine to live with day to day.
Is the 200 much better than the 197?
The 200 Cup was always said to be the best of all the Mk3 Clios and we can agree with that.
Are those 200 cup door panels or some custom?
Standard as far as we are aware!
@@CamberandCombustion standards have door handles :)
Fiat Punto Abarth 2008 vs Clio
Both modified like this cars in this video
Why not? Will be very funny
The 172 needs a better driver!
Drive one with the Meg conversion, different car again then. In the wet with a little help from TC you can stay with the big boys.
How do you find the meg swap?
I’ve heard mixed reviews. Some say it ruins the car others say it’s amazing.
I must admit for myself I don’t know if I’d like it as I love the Revvy nature of my 200.
But I definitely wouldn’t mind giving a meg swap a go.
@@ChrisKronk117 it does take away a bit of the character of bouncing off the limiter but the chassis is so good it's a shame to not give it the extra power it deserves. I had my daily 197 and my track 197 with megane engine so best of both. If you track it then meg it. Road use probably not much point.
Why has the 200 got manual wing mirrors
A normal 200 with or without the cup pack does, the cup on it's own doesn't.
@@PureLeeful oh
You can get a clio with all the air con, cruise control etc upgrades with a ‘cup pack’ from the dealership. Black door strip on exterior = normal cup, colour coded door strip = cup with add ons
Interesting to see that the 172 is quicker than the 200 on the straights.
172 has more hp per ton so not so surprising.
Idiot Sandwich it is, because aero works against absolute hp, not hp/tonne.
They weren’t taking the 200 up to 7500, had they done I would bet there would nothing between the cars
Try the 220.
Heureusement qu on vous a pas mie de turbo 😂
you don't need 500 HP, you need a little NA engines little hothatchs lighe is right and that's it ! Funnier than a GOLF GTI or even a supercar
I think it depends on the driver overall...
@@samuelgomez3311 no it doesn't
How the f**k is slower?? hahahaha
I love clio because i win a lot on Project cars 2 with clio cup. I was driving with u guys.
But they're French.... Does look bloody rapid though.
Quant enfin les môme ce rende compte que papa a menti et qu il avait m aurait goût 😂
Which is faster then ? Is it worth to upgrade from 172 to a 200 ?
In corners 200. On straights 172.
It’s deffo worth the upgrade!!
@@chrisparry4461 if you change to coilovers it would probably be even better :)
*woof
No black flag? :( 😂
Verdict: so the 200 cup is NOT better than 306 at all...
Both great cars and very different. Don't make us choose...
Diferences betwen clio 197 and 200 cup?
Hard to say without driving them back to back!
The 200 got lower gearing 1,2, and 3rd and cylinder head was slightly reworked along with mapping to bring Max hp in a little earlier. The 200 sounds best if you don’t put a noisy exhaust on as the engine really screams at the top end. They need remapping as std map is not great and most are not producing their proper power, once mapped they’re excellent. Need good fuel as they’re 11.5-1 compression ratio, some people run 95 octane and they’re down on power as the ecu pulls timing. Ideally 99 Ron for these.
The 172 is quicker the 200 is to Lardy.Mind you the 172 is fuckin deafening inside 😂
Gosse de riche direct dans le bein mouillé ton slep 😂
1:50 The 172 sounds like a 4AGE in my opinion