Calzaghe vs Roy Jones jr 2008
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All these comments must be from Americans, Calzaghe beat everyone that was put in front of him, the decision against Hopkins was easy, Hopkins lost and it was a clear loss.
Two absolute legends. Would have been great to see this 5 years earlier, but still Calzaghe's performance in this fight was fantastic.
Calzaghe completely destroyed Roy here, and there was only a 3 year age gap. Those of you who are saying a Prime Roy would run circles around Calzaghe are just fanboys. Yeah, sure, Roy was exceptional in his Prime, but so was Calzaghe, they're both capable of defeating each other in their Prime.
Calzaghe's strength is in his speed and awkwardness. He was a quick, rugged fighter who threw a lot of leather. However, I don't believe anyone could doubt who possessed - in their respective prime years - the superior speed and athleticism of the two. Roy had the edge in both hand speed and power. Calzaghe had a great chin and even better recuperative powers, but in a potential prime vs. prime matchup, I think most of us will agree that he would not have had his usual advantages in speed, timing and ring generalship. It is my sincere opinion, that Roy Jones was one the best genetically gifted athletes in sports history. He was probably the fastest boxer ever in his top years. I don't see anyone, not even a fast, solid, awkward boxer like Joe Calzaghe, matching the displays of boxing bravado that Roy Jones managed to pull of when he was at his very best. He would have found himself outmatched, if only by narrow margins.
MrRoyalFatness Awkwardness on the part of Calzaghe? Wow, I don't see that at all. Really, between the two now, Jones looked to be the more awkward, especially in the later rounds. What you may be seeing is rapid unpredictable movement so that he is able to fight from different angles. This is not awkwardness, this is consummate ring generalship.
dnsmithnc It's awkward for his opponent, is what I mean. Calzaghe is an unconventional fighter, and as you say, he's hard to predict.
LOL/ Calzaghe dodged a combo, produced his own then pulled up his shorts right in punching distance of Jones. Calzaghe would have beat Jones, even in Jones' prime
Lol..... Funny
because joe is from the UK people don't want to admit he is one of the greatest boxers of all time, unbeaten and good to watch, frank warren said he is the best fighter he has ever worked with, he was one of the most entertaining fighters to watch in my opinion, I even think the joe calzaghe in this fight would have beat jones in his prime.
LMAO. I needed a laugh.
Wow, that is a bold statement. Calzaghe must be one of your favorite fighters. Do not let emotion blind you.
sufianbear85
I am not letting emotion blind me. It was a shame that Calzaghe was denied fights with the like of Jones earlier on in his career because he wasn't a draw to the American audience before Lacy. Lacy was supposed to be the next massive name in boxing and Joe gave him a lesson. I am appalled by the way the Americans treated Lacy after that fight but that's a different story. Calzaghe wanted to fight the best and never really got the chance in the late 90's early 00's. The big fights he wanted kept caving in for one reason or another. He wanted the likes of Jones. It wasn't his fault. He beat all that was put in front of him and that's all a boxer can do.
To remain a world champion for over a decade speaks volumes about Joe.
People say that he ducked Froch but at the time Froch wasn't a viable option. He wasn't a big enough draw to bring Calzaghe's career to an end.
I've followed boxing since I can remember. I remember the era of Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank and Calzaghe is up there with the best.
For pure hand speed and workrate I haven't seen another boxer like it. Joe could box for 12 rounds at full pace and never tire. Maybe Pacquiao can but he's in an entire different weight class.
Calzaghe is the longest-reigning world champion in recent years, having held the WBO Super Middleweight title for over ten years and made 21 successful defenses. 46 fight 46 wins
Well Hopkins, Jones jr & Lacey was all meant to kill calzaghe and he's hammered all 3 of them,
And even at age 40 Roy shows what it takes to be real Champ.
Hall of Fame!
It's weird how Joe never really gets seen as one of boxing's finest but his record is excellence itself.
Jones was a couple of years older than Joe yet he was the fresher of the two...That is why Jones had many more fights in him than Joe...Joe was 36 and way out of his prime at this stage...That is why he retired after this fight...He was finished...Yet a washed up, old and brittle handed Calzaghe managed to toy with arguably one of the greatest fighters to have lived...
three years older, and shot, joe wasnt shot, he'd just had his best win.
Give joe a 1 hour break after this fight he would go twelve rounds again lol
Both incredible fighters both past their primes in my opinion. Legends both.
That's one boxer who makes Jones look slow.
presumably clubfooted enzo macaranelli makes jones look slow too. No, jones was shot.
Jones was past his prime
There's no doubt that Roy is a fragment of what he once was in this fight. Even so, the age difference between the two was only 3 years. Joe (36) and Roy (39) in this fight. So I don't think age was the factor; even if Roy was 3 years younger, I think Joe would have still rolled to victory over a degraded Roy. Though I agree with most people that Joe was not as good as Roy was in his prime, he still had a solid 15 year career.
Two huuuuge, veteran egos. Both great fighters, I was in awe of Jones in his prime. Neither of them would have showboated like this had they fought ten years earlier!
For people saying Calzaghe beat up 'old men' consider this... he himself was 36- hardly a child in boxing terms
Secondly if Calzaghe is to be criticised for fighting 'old men' then so should Rocky Marciano but as someone pointed out they were 'damn good old men'
Regardless, Calzaghe was a great.
Calzaghe the greatest European fighter of all-time, no question. His recovery after that great shot from Jones was phenomenal, just focused and went back at him with great flurrys. Calzaghe's speed at 20:19 is incredible for a LHW. Respect to both Legends. peace.
Calzaghie didn't have power but his speed was unbelievable,
Calzaghe is a great fighter, he is one of the best super middleweights in recent years, only idiots deny that. But people are just mad because Jones was so far past his prime, it had nothing to do with age Roy Jones gained 20 pounds of muscle to win a HW title, and then lost 20 pounds to come back down to LHW, he was never as fast, or as strong, you can even visibly see it really damaged his body jumping such an insane amount of weight and then dropping it. He made the ultimate sacrifice,legend
Fight should have been stopped in eight, totally outclassed!
Another funny guy on UA-cam
Hopkins is one of the greatest, don't sleep on Kessler now he is a beast and Froch and Wards resumes owe alot to that man. Lacy was considered a serious talent when they fought and Sakio Bika was a great fighter. Calzaghe is definitely up there with Bhop and RJJ though definitely behind.
This fight shows that along with his talent for all those years, Roy had heart to carry on when being bettered, which in his prime no one of the time could. To keep fighting against adversity is something we never saw of him because he was so dominant, no one could put him in this position. This is still a good win for Joe but it wasn't his best work as Roy was far from his best. The fight with Sakio Bika was a much bigger test than this. Love both these guys. Champions forever in my eyes.
Jones was a force in his prime but, he depended on his nasty hand speed to beet his opponent to the punch... Unfortunately When that hand speed leaves you have to have a good defense to survive... Jones was mostly offense in his prime and that left him vulnerable in his older years...
I agree Joe had more left 'in the tank' at the end of his career than Roy did. Joe didn't get knocked out ever. We cannot say what the outcome would have been had they met earlier, that is pure speculation. The difference between them at the end was that Roy's game relied more on raw punching power than Joe, and Joe depended more on speed, skill, and punch count.. Joe retained remarkable speed and skill for an old guy.If you can't hit a guy it matters little how strong you are.
Interesting matchup. At their peak both were fast and had good power and skills.
By this time they were both heading for 40. Jones had lost some of his speed but still had power, while Calzaghe had retained his speed but had adapted his style to volume punching protect his fragile hands. I honestly don't think there would have been much between them if they had met a few years earlier.
The american commentators are shockingly bad. First few rounds its all how good jones is and a mention that joe looks washed up but as the fight goes on they change their tune, now jones is past it. Talk about fickle americans.......
And the same happens with British commentators when they call british fights. deal with it.
Deal with what? Sounds like your the one who needs to deal with it. It doesnt surprise me that some nationalistic moron makes a tit for tat comment like that. Grow up fool
I do like Canadian commentators, however. They keep it alive.
America please employ commentators who know what they are talking about! These guys are the fucking worst!
Calzaghe was a legend, great fight
They fought at the end of both of their careers. The difference seems to be Calzaghe got better and better as time went on.
Calzaghe has that Chavez head bob to get that close to Jones and then make him miss is something indeed.
Given that the knockdown in round 1 was actually an illegal blow (a forearm smash), Calzaghe won every round except the last, which was shared. How any competent judge could give round 2 to Jones baffles me.
If Calzaghe had been American, he would have been recognised for what he is - the best pound for pound fighter of all time. Jones was one of the other all time greats and Calzaghe made him look ordinary, even though BOTH are a bit past their prime. I scored it 118 -110.
ROY JONES JR. One of the best all time fighters
yes I agree, but the many jones fans like me would like to keep his legacy as an amazing boxer alive. He's done so much, but that jump from light heavyweight to back to his normal weight division was too much for him.
Legends. Calzagie so good in this fight. Jones just couldn't get any rhythm.
Jones is, not Calzaghe.
thats nothing, enzo mac knocked jones clean out. So by your dum logic enzo must be 10 times better than calzaghe ha! dumb calzaghe fans
Joe stopped every fighter he fought ftom finding their rhythm. Jones is a great and is Joe, obviously Jones the bigger name being American but Calzaghe would have beat any super middleweight in history
It's like a tap and dance show out there. They are both quick as lightning, but it's like they lost the will to win.
both great fighters.........
Well, apart from the WBO, IBF, WBC, WBA & The Ring Super Middleweight Championship, The Ring Light Heavyweight Champion, holding the WBO Super Middleweight title for over ten years with 21 successful defences, The Ring rating him as #3 pound for pound in the world and retiring undefeated, I really can't think of anything.
No matter what age they both were here, Calzaghe proper took the piss. Half of the fight he had his hands down by his side. Jones did not want to be there after Rd 6. Calzaghe was a boxing tactician and the result would've been the same had Jones not ducked him many moons ago. Ask Collins what it feels like to be ducked by Jones 😉👊🏻👊🏻
Calzaghe dominated the beloved Jones, both body and soul. I've seen jones lose before but this calzaghe fellow humiliated jones at every point. He then had the temerity to show jones genuine respect once the deed was done. Hats off to the Welshman. Impressive!!
well said sir!!
Dude calzaghe is one of my faves but he fought nobodys in the uk and then he fought to old light heavys
Que luta foi essa...???
Jones is 39 here. 39!!!!! Man is still a beast. Best boxer ever.
People underestimate Calzaghe because he isn't English nor American. His record shows his class and to use the excuse that Jones was past his peak is ridiculous! Calzaghe was 36 in this fight!
well, I do agree with u on the age difference thing. Both fighters were waaay out of their primes. Calzaghe managed to adapt with this change but jones didn't. He lost alot of speed and reflex time . But if they both fought in their primes, that would be a fight i would love to see. You have to agree that jones would have an edge there though.
If the object of boxing was to hit your opponent as much as possible, as lightly and quick as possible, with the inside of your glove, then Calzaghe would be the best boxer who ever lived.
Roy Jones Jr a shadow of his former self in this fight but still managed to give Calzaghe problems.
Ok, Roy Jones Jr. is 39 but hey Calzaghe is old as well. His southpaw skillful non-stop style would give Roy fits at anytime. Two great fighters and the end of their careers. Jones relied on his amazing reflexes and technically made many mistakes. When his reflexes started to go...he got KO'd, many times!!
joe calzaghe couldn't get fights in america when roy was in his primen nobody wanted to fight him, still he is the only person to retire undefeated since rocky marciano.
Commentators saying Jones is fighting a much younger fresher man. Bollox only 2 years difference
Apologies for spelling errors , predictive text :-(
Roy at the end of the first round was acting the billy big bollocks and for just that brief moment Roy thought he was the guv'nor.
Then Joe took the piss out of him for the rest of the fight. Joe was laughing in his face. Yeah yeah 7 years early Bla blah. Undefeated is undefeated, the end
Even if you are past it, you don't get beat that bad, that's just a total boxing lesson from Joe.
Roy went to Heavyweight then had to lose 30lb muscles to fight Tarver.Losing those 30lb hurt him badly.He lost that natural power,freakish reflexes and speed
In Calzaghes defense he beat an undefeated Mikkel Kessler and Jeff Lacy as well as prime Sakio Bika,Kessler and Bika are some of Wards biggest wins. I agree Roy Jones at the end of the day did a hell of alot more fought better competition and won a title in fucking heavyweight, but Calzaghe is easily one of the greatest super middleweights of all time, he fought better competition than he gets credit for, RJJ and Calzaghe were from different eras, by the time Joe won a title Jones was a LHW.
The greatest light HW ever..........
Joe Calzaghe (2002) "I'm not chasing roy jones"
Prime Jones hammers Calzaghe. Washed up Jones even knocks him down. Calzaghe has fast hands and hit like a rabbit. Jones was devastating when he hit you with 4 and 5 punch combinations. Calzahge's speed footwork and positioning where excellent I give credit where it's due. That's about it. I would never want to watch a collection of his fights unless I wanted to go to sleep.
He did not Clean out the Super Middle weight division.
He had every Chance to fight both Collins and Calzaghe.
Collins was the WBO title holder in 1994.
Calzaghe was WBO tittle holder in 1997.
Only none fight fans would actually not know this.
Hopkins dodged both of these fighters as well.
You cannot claim he would do this or that when he actually dodged the fighter.
Lets be totally realistic about this as well they dodged Benn and Eubank as well.
Roy Jones what a elegant fighter ..in his prime
Well said raduz123
I always though Emanuel Steward knew about boxing till I saw this.
was this fight his last fight?
My memory indicates that Joe didn't have a ton of other options outside of Jones and Hopkins at his weight class range at the time...
Not going to get involved with the who would have beaten who in their prime but all I can say is both Calzaghe and Jones Jr. put on a great show.
What people don't realize about Joe is his so unorthodox how do u prepare for his style
What was the entrance song for Joe Calzaghe? does anybody know?
Foo Fighters- The pretender
Darude-Sandstorm
After round 1 I thought the old RJJ was back for good. How history could have been changed if Roy put him away then and there...
Your saying he only fights old men but Calzaghe was 36 himself in this fight, he can only beat who is in front of him. I don't care what you say about Lacey, at the time he was meant to be the next big thing and if you and your friends haven't heard of him then clearly you don't know boxing, he got embarrassed by a one handed fighter. Calzaghe beat the best names in his division at the time he boxed, it's irrelevant if they were old, they were still the best at that time, give the guy credit.
Dat Was An AZZ KICKING!!
I think the commentator was right about what he said in the last round.. Jones deserved a lot more respect from Calazaghe than he showed him at the end of this fight. He was being too cocky against a boxer who is no less than a legend. it would've been a different story in Jones' peak and Joe should've at least acknowledged that!
Everyone saying Jones was past his prime , don't forget that this is Calzaghe's last fight . Calzaghe beat him fair and square
Apart from the fact I aint on a crusade slagging of the good ol' USofA
Jones was done. I wonder if having not knocked a guy out in more than six years was one of several reasons we even saw this fight?
The only response I got is basically "He's not from England! moron" even though he was BORN in London and grew up in Wales. His slap happy combo pushing punches style would have gotten him beaten a lot earlier had he fought in the US.
they say that roy jones jr is past his prime in this fight. joe is only 3 years his junior, he isn't in his prime either
what result in less endurance, drive, reflex and speed is more blows to the head than testosterone, especially if you get knocked out. Think about Fernando Vargas, his career was ended before he gets 30 years old. And on the other hand look at Hopkins who can still be champion at 45 years old, because he never was knocked out (good defense, best overall fighter ever). Sadly for Jones he got knocked out by Tarver. This was the turning point.
Who did Jones fight (and win) of note? An honest question
bernard hopkins, james toney, mike mccallum, virgil hill, vinny pazienza, john ruiz, antonio tarver, felix trinidad and the list goes on...
That what happens when you neglect your fundamentals and rely only on pure athleticism. You get older and that athleticism is gone.
Jones avoided Benn, Eubank and Collins. When the commentators make their platitudes such as "all time great" add "in America"
Same as Lacey, Same as Hopkins
im not a life long boxing watcher, but ive been watching for around 10years now.. ive never even really considered what the whole process is of takein care of a cut. what all do they use? just adrenaline? or should i say, what all are the cutmen aloud to use?
Pretty sure it's Vaseline.
Joe was old as well, and Roy said "The best fighter will win". Roy wanted this fight, Joe was retiring for real. He could have picked an easy opponent, not a threat to his perfect record. 2 HOF's. Roy could very well have won this fight. Calzaghe won. Fair and straight up. If you think Jones couldn't win, then you pay him great disrespect. No excuses from either man. Joe goes down in Round 1. He wins. Keep hating on Calzaghe. I bet Jones would would squash that himself, because he is a legend.
All through this fight, while Roy Jones was getting a classic whoopin', Max Kellerman made one excuse after the other for Jones. He was seeing great moves and great punches which weren't there, great moves and great tactics which didn't exist. Jim Lampley was no better - criticizing Calzaghe for 'showboating' while Calzaghe is fighting one of the biggest showboaters in boxing - blaming Calzaghe for 'embarrassing' Jones when nobody mocked their opponents in the ring more than Jones.
Well Roy, had did it feel?? What you've been doing to fighters, done to you!!
Going to Heavyweight ,then having to lose 30lb Muscle Mass to get back into light heavyweight.Hurt Roy Jones big time!Why do you think everyone wanted to fight him suddenly? Professionals know that.Losing that much mass made his body strength close to a middle weight.Roy's reflexes and freakish speed was all but gone.He fought on skill and experience here.And that makes Roy a Hall of Famer.
I mean somebody stuck his chin in front of Roy like Joe did here...He be OUT before he could blink.
Roy "ducked" Collins to go up 8 pounds and fight James Toney. That's not ducking, that's making a smarter career and legacy defining move, and he destroyed Toney, who WAS CONSIDERED A P4P fighter. Calzaghe wasn't even a serious titleholder until Jones was already established at LHW.
I don't disagree entirely... I just don't remember there being much outside of Jones, Hopkins, Wright in his weight range at this time.
does anyone notice roys legs are totally shot in this fight..his legs were originally gone forever against tarver
I am shit at maths but even I know that if you decrease something by 10% per year it will never be completely gone. after 1st year you are 90%, then you lose 10% of 90% and so on. Not that I agree completely with this analysis anyway.. We all have different levels to start with anyway,and testosterone is not the only thing an athlete needs. Calzaghe was probably as physically old as Jones, but had retained more of a boxing brain.
Give it up jones. youve done it all
Naa! sorry but joe out classsed jones, lol, dammm~!
hahah the ref in the end
Jones was always good against people who didn't test him. I doubt he could get off the canvas and win at any age far less after Tarver. Good fighter though, I liked his style.
I'd agree that those who discredit Calzaghe are fairly clueless and desperate, he was a very good fighter too with guts and amazing speed, quite old school in many ways. Both great fighters and that's about the fairest assessment.
Oh it has a great deal to do whit it.Roys physical strength was that of a middleweight. His spped reflexes power all gone.
The same thing happened to Archie Moore.
In fact Big George said that clearly.
Joes a Legend!
If Roy's 'past his prime' here, what is he now, 17 pro fights later? Oh wait, I know, an embarrassment.
Kessler. Happy now?
(lol, let me take a really wild guess here. Are you American ?)
Losing 30lbs of muscles has nothing to do with it, Roy Jones just got old. Boxers are done before hitting 35.
I know the problem. The idea that European boxer can't be better than African American is debunked with boxers like Klitschko brothers and Calzaghe. When American is not winning they start wining that "boxing has become boring".
Roy gives respect to Joe who's copying his style, 2 awesome athletes!
Hahahahaha it was worth watching this obliteration just for the moment at
59 mins 55 seconds hahaha ref falls right on his ass and only just about manages to regain himself before taking another tumble... Pure gold