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For anyone with a continuing interest in this subject, I can recommend the book "The Popes of Avignon: A Century in Exile" by Edwin Mullins. I read it about two years ago and I recall it being both an informative and enjoyable read. I saw another comment mention Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose" which is a fantastic novel that also makes reference to the Avignon Papacy.
Long ago I've read the book " Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco and ever since I've been curious what was the origin of the struggle between two different pops and two different groups in the book, thank you, O great Kings and Generals for always being there to eradicate our ignorance.
Carpentras, a town about 30 min drive away from Avignon, has the oldest synagogue in France, because paradoxically, the tiny Papal enclave it was in was more tolerant to Jewish people than the Kingdom it was surrounded by.
As a matter of fact, King Philip the Fair was so desperate for money that before he dissolved the Templar Order to get their treasury he had already expelled the Jews and Northern Italians (called "Lombards") from his kingdom and seized their properties. They would be readmitted by his son, King Louis X, who is also the man who made slavery officially illegal in France.
@@Astropeleki In France, slavery was made illegal by Queen Bathilde, wife of Clovis II, in 657 A.D. She decreed that any slave who entered French territory would automatically become free.
@@Astropeleki Curiously, Louis X (le hutin - the quareller) left us with a reputation of being quite a boorish king, as opposed to his younger brother (and successor) Philippe V le long, a quite clever guy, and the cadet, Charles IV le bel (the handsome)a not-so-active dude.
About 25 years ago, I was working in southern France. My wife and I visited Avignon and the Palace of the Popes. A must see if you are in the neighborhood.
What was under Gandalf's hat was more impressive than what was under the hats of most Popes, and I'm not just referring to the tendency of Pope's to be bald.
I've always been very very curious about this strange moment in the church's history, but never really delved into it. This is my chance! Thanks, guys!
After watching it, my perspective did change, I always had the idea that the avignon popes were just figureheads, mere "parallel" popes of sorts. Turns out they had a bigger impact than the church itself might admit.
@@midwestprince3644 I think here he’s talking about the second house of Anjou, the d’Anjou kings of Naples and later Hungary, not the first house of Anjou from which the Plantagenet kings descended
Learning Spanish right now (phone is in Spanish) I was shocked when I heard this video in Spanish 😂😂😂 love how professional and accessible this channel is
I liked very much the fact that this video has two languages! Please, continue to do that! We, who speak languages such as spanish and portuguese, really appreciated!
A very interesting subject and well explained! The thing I missed were the Anti Popes who were, in my opinion, a fundamental aspect of the period and the schism, so I was a bit surprised that they were not included. Maybe in the next video!
@@TheOnno94 I had to check. There was one early on in the Avignon Papacy but I think most came with the official return to Rome. I'd better let the channel show us. I really ought to know that I know than I think I know.
Hello everyone, Johan here, researcher and writer for the video. Hope you like our characterisation on the Avignon popes. We will make a future video on their relationship with Italy and the Schism so do not worry. Sources: Sources Rollo-Koster, Avignon and its Papacy, 1309-1417 John Gruber, The Peace Negotiations of the Avignon Popes Enciclopedia Treccani Catholic Encyclopedia Valerio Castronovo, MilleDuemila, un mondo al plurale 1
The French always have something so interesting throughout their history. From becoming one of the largest and strongest empires to kidnapping popes to establishing itself as one of the first major modern republics.
Agreed. However, the glorious countries throughout Europe and the World is definitely goes to Italy(Ethnic Italian entity) and Greece. Renaissance, Age of Discovery, Trade throughout the Mediteranean, Greatest architects, engineers, philosophers, theologians, humanists, etc. were Italians and of course, modern-day Greece, the homeland of the entity of the Greeks where the European Civilisation began and was inspired.
@@arolemaprarath6615 France and Italy both have glorified histories that have reshaped the world's architectural traditions and arts and most importantly its political and religious systems throughout their antiquities.
@@arolemaprarath6615 "muh modren republic" "muh first european civilisation" lol virgins, the Germans are the first chads of Europe with their epic infantry and based artillery.
@@firstnamelastname4249 Naaah. Greek military tactics influenced Europe and the world such as the Greek Phalanx and technologies like the modern usage of Spear in a combat and many more
This part of history is probably only known (and anyway pretty bad) in Italy, you did a great job. Just for curiosity, schiaffo literally means slap. So the Anagni's slap (because apparently the pope was literally slapped by Giacomo Colonna, a pro french roman nobleman (even if the slap itself is probably just a legend))
For what I know, the pope has genuinely been manhandled, though having an armored man-at-arm slapping an elderly pope was probably too much even for a merciless king such as Philippe IV. This king was more into rigged trials and he somehow already had prepared a whole lot of false accusations against the pope. Note though that the population of Anagni, when informed of the captivity of the pope, rose and freed him from Colonna's men just a few days before he died.
The conductor Arturo Toscanini once refused to play the Fascist anthem before a concert in Bologna, and Mussolini's droogs roughed him up afterward. The press promptly called it "Lo schiaffo a Toscanini".
This event is known in France too (among people interested in medieval history, at least). Here, we consider Philippe le Bel as a great, yet merciless king.
Philippe's chancellor Guillaume de Nogaret is said to be the man who slapped the pope and was thus excommunicated alongside the rest of the delegation. It would take decades of negotiation for this excommunication to be lifted
Very few of my students are familiar with the Great Schism. This has some good information. Interesting perspective on how much of a puppet Clement was or was not to the King of France. So much of this was political as well since this was taking place during the conflicts between England and France.
The video does not show that they were not a puppets, it just shows that they had a level of autonomy. Even my dog has a level of autonomy but he knows who the master is. The Templar order was the right hand of the pope where all the money, manpower and rich lands were. The Papal state had to cut off their arm because the French king ordered it. One could even argue that the fall of Chrisindom in the east happened all because of the destruction of the Templars and their financial backing. (The templars were the first bankers of the world and allowed huge armies to be used without a huge pile of gold moving with it) Saying that they were puppets is not an exaggeration but an understatement. Even my dog won't bite off his own leg if I just order him to do it. Neither would the pope if he was in Rome, but IF he was close enough for the french king to get to him, then......the rest is history.
@@HistoryfortheAges The Avignon popes were considered legitimitate. When the Papacy returned to Rome, the French Monarchs tried to stop it and with help from French cardinals elected a rival Pope in Avignon. Thus the Great Western Schism was born. There are 3 Schisms in Christian history 1. The Great Schism between the Latin Catholics and Greek Orthodox. 2. The Great Western Schism between the Roman Popes and the Avignon Popes (these 2nd set of Avignon popes were different from the video) and 3. The Protestant Reformation.
There is actually a cologne (as in the perfume) named after the city of Avignon, and the scent is supposed to evoke the scent of being inside a Catholic church.
Also you refer to the Angevins as ruling both Anjou and Sicily. While yes the Angevins ruled Anjou, Normandy and England, that is the house of Plantagenet, often called the Angevins, the Angevins who ruled Sicily were the Capetian house of Anjou, a cadet branch of the French Royal family
Very good and balanced overview of the Avignon Papacy. Wasn't aware of the newer scholarship. Will have to follow up with that. One correction: the payment of indulgences was meant for the mitigation or removal of the temporal punishments due to sins already forgiven in the Sacrament of Penance rather than for the forgiveness of the sins themselves. Keep up the good work.
Also that indulgences are still a thing. The Catholic Churches agree that Luther was right about 'selling' of indulgences, but noy the indulgences themselves.
@@namvu2362 The distinction between the selling of indulgences, which was an abuse not sanctioned by the Church, and the donation of alms as a means of gaining an indulgence, a practice sanctioned by the Church and still practiced today, has to be preserved.
Could you make a video about how the duchy of burgundy got so much land became as powerful as the french kings and how they lost it all or they switched sides over and over during the hundred years war?
Indeed, it's one of the very few instances when the (terrible) personality of the last duke spelled the end of both his ambitions and his realm. - Angering - ALL - your neighbours (Lorraine, alsatian cities, swiss cantons, kingdom of France) - Alienating - ALL - your potential allies (kingdom of England, HRE) by careless diplomacy, dismissing their wiews. - Generaly, behaving rashly, with epic-level arrogance, both on the diplomatic board and on the battlefield.
Interesting video! Although the summary of the Templar dissolution is a bit hasty - it seems that scholars agree nowadays that it was not a matter of getting their treasure, but rather a demonstration of the French king's power, higher than the one of the Pope on their territory.
@@baneofbanes unfortunately my sources are in French, but I am mostly referring to Alain Demurger's work (medieval history teacher in Paris University I). A French UA-camr, Nota Bene, made a very interesting summary of the trial in the context of the affirmation of royal power vs the Pope; mostly based on Demurger, but he also refers to the publication of Julien Thiery on the matter.
@@userwsyz well, the Templar order technically didn't die since it went to Portugal and rebranded as "the Order of Christ". Conveniently, Henry the Navigator was able to launch great naval explorations with unexpected findings and his ships wore a massive red cross...
Another interesting video as always! I look forward to more videos on papal history in the future! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)
Yes! I noticed this Avignon papacy area in previous videos and I'm thankful that this is out yo continue traveling through this rabbithole called History of Europe.
The main consequence of the Avignon Papacy, as far as i'm concerned, was an impossibility to oversleep on certain days, like Easter. That's the price you pay when you can actually see the Palace's bells from your bedroom window 😭
Could you do a video about the military structure of Prussia? It's the topic of a lot of memes and I want to see what was really going on (and how it got there in the first place).
Hope you will get to the council of Constance in 1415 as this ended the schism while also condemning Jan Hus (possibly leading to Luther and the reformation) and in the same year as the famous battle of agincourt. Would be fun to see!
2:50 What?? Why use the English coat of arms? It was not the Anjou-Plantagenet that ruled in Naples. These guys ruled in England and Jerusalem. It was the Capet-Anjou that ruled Naples/Sicily in the years 1282-1435, with the Capet-Valois-Anjou "Good King Rene" in 1435-1442.... Also; a pity you hadn't mentioned the Papal dealings with John 'the Blind' of Bohemia, Casimir 'the Great' of Poland and Charles Robert of Hungary or the betrothal of Louis 'the Great"s daughter with the French Prince, Louis of Orleans (as Hungary supported the Roman Papacy, while France held factual overlordship over the Avignon Popes, as you spoke here)
Great video, but the title is a bit unfortunate. The Avignon papacy is too often depicted as a "babylonian captivity" of the popes by the French monarchy, which, as the video itself says, is an unfair assessment. Then again, I guess a clickbaity title will help educate more people about this deeply misunderstood period.
You are clearly misinformed about the Babylonian captivity. The Babylonian Jews got it quite good in Babylon up until when they were banished just about 50 years ago. Up until then, they were rich, and powerful enough to send a huge contingent back and rebuild the Jewish kingdom again. No pope managed to do that, they could not even get to Rome alive. The video does not prove that they were not a puppet, it just shows that they had a level of autonomy. Even my dog has a level of autonomy but he knows who the master is. The Templar order was the right hand of the pope where all the money, manpower and rich lands were. The Papal state had to cut off their arm because the French king ordered it. Saying that they were puppets is not an exaggeration but an understatement. Even my dog won't bite off his own leg if I just order him to do it. Neither would the pope if he was in Rome, but if he was close enough for the french king to get to him, then......
A great effort to deal with a period of history which seems to be much more confusing than I had ever imagined. I always thought the papacy in Avignon was a competing French papacy that occurred at the same time as the papacy in Rome. The video seems to express the move to Avignon as one revolving around safety but what is the significance of the 5 'antipopes' to this story and where did they reside? What exactly was the State of St. Peter and you mention the Papal State although it seems to have lacked a pope? The role of the pope in 'trading' the Order of the Templars is also confusing - I thought it was the King of France who purged the order from France leading to their general demise - not the pope. Long time fan of the channel and I see a lot of loose ends that could do with some tying up in the upcoming video(s). Although I may not have much faith in the popes of Avignon, I do have faith in the Kings and Generals channel! :D
The Avignon Popes were absolutely not anti-popes. They were the only legitimate popes of their time until 1378 and ruled the Papal state in Italy from Avigon, which was their residence.
This set of Avignon popes weren't anti-popes - the Great Schism only occurred after the popes returned to Rome, a move that didn't please a lot of the Cardinals. Eventually some of them elected their own pope, who moved back to Avignon, meaning there were now two popes. It's at that point that we get the split and a set of popes in Rome and anti-popes in Avignon, starting just a few years after the end of this video. Philip IV of France wanted to purge the Templar Order, but he needed the pope's permission to do so. That's why the video mentions the pope in that regard - the pope really didn't want to give that permission, and only was persuaded to do so after some time.
I really wish I could support you on patreon, alas I am but a poor peasant with only the clothes on my back to call my own... for now, liking, subscribing and adding these videos to my favorites will have to do
Where do you all find the music and sounds that goes on as you explain different points and whatnot. I love the additions of proper music that gives every point its full attention!
Wish the animators had done historical accurate art. 3:18 and a image of Pope Julius (reigned 1503-1513) pops up and you can see it's supposed to look like St. Peter's Basilica behind him. The New Basilica was not even started until 1506.
I feel so blessed to see a video of the history of the city I was born in and still live in ! Thanks ! even though I knew already some details as I used to worked in the palace they used to stay in.
Even Napoleon had to do this, with him being Corsican he had to prove to people he was French enough to be monarch and what better way to do so than by dragging the Pope from Rome to France as per tradition of the French Kings.
A roman pope would never have accepted the condemnation of the Templar Order. A military order like that, under papal authority, was a good counterweight against the ambitions of any monarch.
@@holyfreak86 Not legally, of course, but Philippe IV was never deterred by a little bit of illegal dealings, when it suited him (and the templars were but a shadow of their former splendor at this point).
15:00 I really wonder why Kastamonu is shown on this map lol, I mean, it's not a problem, but it's really not an important city and seeing it among cities like Constantinople, Athens and Rome made me burst into laughter as someone from there
Thank you. It's not often to have a video that reported on the Church so even handed as you have. Most videos denigrate the Church, Christianity and the belief in God. Yours is a breath of fresh air to us believers.
I always knew this period described as "The Babylonian Captivity" as a sort of call back to the the forced detention of Jews in Babylonia following the latter’s conquest of the kingdom of Judah in 598/7 and 587/6 BCE. I'm surprised the term wasn't mentioned in this video. Has it fallen out of favor?
@@johnvictorroderos8842 "Like what the video said." (?) I'm not wondering about any supposed current propaganda or questioning the geopolitical situation of the era in question, I am wondering about what the video DIDN'T say. Is it that you and @Dalakh Sarothal haven't heard this term before or is it because it has fallen out of favor?
It was so much fun memorising the list of popes with dates back at uni... About the video, I found it a bit misleading at the part around 14:00 that the Kingdom of Hungary is shown in purple, and you put some sultan-like guy on it, a bit anachronistic. It happened more than a hundred years later (Urban V. 1362-1370 vs the lost of Buda and turkish invasion - after 1541).
K&G is getting revenge on Matthias Corvinus for his betrayal of Vlad the Chad. He must've thought they were already under the Turks two hundred years early. Janos Hunyadi was quite the man though!
I think this video did a nice job of shedding some much needed light on this little known time in history. nice job. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Very good video. Quick correction Indulgences aren't forgiveness of sins for Catholic doctrine. It is the remission of temporal consequences of sins already forgiven. One could never buy forgiveness, but one could donate money, go on a pilgrimage, do charity, etc to help the consequences of what they had done, once they were forgiven already. It still is so today.
It's a bit of a shame that most pictures are inaccurate, anachronistical or don't have any tie to the subject, because the text itself is of great quality
The house of Anjou that ruled Sicily was a branch of the Capetian dynasty. It had little to do with the Parent house of Plantagenet which also happened to be another dynasty called Anjou. I'm disappointed by such obvious mistakes.
The stubborness of Benedict XIII led to a Spanish idiom: "Seguir en sus trece" (Remaining in their thirteen), which refers to when a person remains in their position, no matter how unreasonable.
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Another video on the Maratha plz like the battle of bhopal or Maratha-rajput war. Otherwise do a video on mughal-mewar wars.
Bro that's great! Can anyone tell me how to add another audio track in UA-cam videos?
La papa gracias^;^
Spanish talking person here. This sounds insanely good, I thought it was dubbed by profesionals.
Good one there!
@@HansWurst1569 Lol I upload all my videos with AI voice
“Being at war against England, as you do” has the same energy as “ so I tied an onion to my waist, as that was the fashion of the day.”
Simpson's quotes are the best
Anglo-French relations summarized haha.
lol 😃
Something Something nickels had a bee on them
Checks out!
For anyone with a continuing interest in this subject, I can recommend the book "The Popes of Avignon: A Century in Exile" by Edwin Mullins. I read it about two years ago and I recall it being both an informative and enjoyable read. I saw another comment mention Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose" which is a fantastic novel that also makes reference to the Avignon Papacy.
Agree,also "The name of the Rose" is amaizing book👏
Nice recommendation. I'll look it up. *licks the pages*
@@nunyabiznes33 🤣
Zzzzz 😴
Isn’t this the time of the two popes?
Whoever does your art deserves high pay! Their art really pulls this channel together, not to understate the role of the writers and the narrator.
Long ago I've read the book " Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco and ever since I've been curious what was the origin of the struggle between two different pops and two different groups in the book, thank you, O great Kings and Generals for always being there to eradicate our ignorance.
I haven't read the book but the movie with Sean Connery is also great. I think the record for popes was three but that wasn't for that long.
Carpentras, a town about 30 min drive away from Avignon, has the oldest synagogue in France, because paradoxically, the tiny Papal enclave it was in was more tolerant to Jewish people than the Kingdom it was surrounded by.
Interesting!
Rodrigo Borgia/Alexander whatever the number was, was pretty nice to Jews too. He let them have a Hebrew printing press.
As a matter of fact, King Philip the Fair was so desperate for money that before he dissolved the Templar Order to get their treasury he had already expelled the Jews and Northern Italians (called "Lombards") from his kingdom and seized their properties.
They would be readmitted by his son, King Louis X, who is also the man who made slavery officially illegal in France.
@@Astropeleki In France, slavery was made illegal by Queen Bathilde, wife of Clovis II, in 657 A.D. She decreed that any slave who entered French territory would automatically become free.
@@Astropeleki
Curiously, Louis X (le hutin - the quareller) left us with a reputation of being quite a boorish king, as opposed to his younger brother (and successor) Philippe V le long, a quite clever guy, and the cadet, Charles IV le bel (the handsome)a not-so-active dude.
About 25 years ago, I was working in southern France. My wife and I visited Avignon and the Palace of the Popes. A must see if you are in the neighborhood.
Gandalf has a cooler hat than the pope. Discuss.
^Subscribe to this channel or he will start a religious war.
What was under Gandalf's hat was more impressive than what was under the hats of most Popes, and I'm not just referring to the tendency of Pope's to be bald.
Cooler horse too :D
blasphemy!!
@@KingsandGenerals please do on the sikh empire
I've always been very very curious about this strange moment in the church's history, but never really delved into it. This is my chance! Thanks, guys!
I feel the same
Same! I recently went to Palais des Papes last Novemeber and it was awesome haha
After watching it, my perspective did change, I always had the idea that the avignon popes were just figureheads, mere "parallel" popes of sorts. Turns out they had a bigger impact than the church itself might admit.
*Church
So how did Kings and Generals get so good at making truly engaging history videos? Just asking for a mate...
Years of hard work no doubt ;=
They get a bunch of things slightly wrong the Angevins were English kings who happened to own large parts of France.
I Love History How About You??
@@midwestprince3644 I think here he’s talking about the second house of Anjou, the d’Anjou kings of Naples and later Hungary, not the first house of Anjou from which the Plantagenet kings descended
Must've used Skillshare 😂😂😂😂
Learning Spanish right now (phone is in Spanish)
I was shocked when I heard this video in Spanish 😂😂😂 love how professional and accessible this channel is
When you love the pope so much, you bring him home.
ew, wtf.
"MY ARMY WENT TO ROME & CAPTURED THE POPE & ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT"
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 pope at home:
@@ampeerprime421 no, not the kind of "love the pope so much", no
Muchas gracias por la traducción de los videos , muchos hispanohablantes estaremos agradecidos.
I liked very much the fact that this video has two languages! Please, continue to do that! We, who speak languages such as spanish and portuguese, really appreciated!
Never have I clicked a video so fast. I always admire when this channel discusses about the history of the papacy.
Excellent drawings btw !! They are making the video way more alive and it actually illustrates well the narrative, congratz!
"Virtue is a state of war, and to live in it means one always has some battle to wage against oneself"
- Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Yeah, like Rousseau knew anything about virtue.🤣
@@JohnHawkins-he7mg
Oh, it's not as if J J Rousseau ever fled from his home and left his wife and kids to cope for themselves...
That's beautiful, really really elucidating
A very interesting subject and well explained! The thing I missed were the Anti Popes who were, in my opinion, a fundamental aspect of the period and the schism, so I was a bit surprised that they were not included. Maybe in the next video!
Anti popes x sounds funny
Oh wow, I was entirely wrong! Thank you for correcting me, apparently I don't have the information on this period as sharp as I thought...
@@TheOnno94 I had to check. There was one early on in the Avignon Papacy but I think most came with the official return to Rome. I'd better let the channel show us. I really ought to know that I know than I think I know.
Yes, I think no mention of the antipopes at all in this video makes things a bit confusing. I trust they will manage this aspect in an upcoming video!
There's so great vids about the 'pope fights'
Hello everyone, Johan here, researcher and writer for the video. Hope you like our characterisation on the Avignon popes. We will make a future video on their relationship with Italy and the Schism so do not worry.
Sources:
Sources
Rollo-Koster, Avignon and its Papacy, 1309-1417
John Gruber, The Peace Negotiations of the Avignon Popes
Enciclopedia Treccani
Catholic Encyclopedia
Valerio Castronovo, MilleDuemila, un mondo al plurale 1
You did great Johan
Appreciate your work.
On peut savoir pourquoi vous qualifiez Philippe IV d'"arrogant" ? Nan parce que là ça sonne comme une bonne insulte bien gratuite et francophobe.
@@nolletthibault2031 Mais non, faut arrêter avec le délire de persécution. Pas sur cette chaîne!
It is a shame Johan, talking about Avignon and the pope and no mention of the infamous donkey! ;)
The French always have something so interesting throughout their history. From becoming one of the largest and strongest empires to kidnapping popes to establishing itself as one of the first major modern republics.
Agreed. However, the glorious countries throughout Europe and the World is definitely goes to Italy(Ethnic Italian entity) and Greece. Renaissance, Age of Discovery, Trade throughout the Mediteranean, Greatest architects, engineers, philosophers, theologians, humanists, etc. were Italians and of course, modern-day Greece, the homeland of the entity of the Greeks where the European Civilisation began and was inspired.
@@arolemaprarath6615 France and Italy both have glorified histories that have reshaped the world's architectural traditions and arts and most importantly its political and religious systems throughout their antiquities.
@@arolemaprarath6615 "muh modren republic" "muh first european civilisation" lol virgins, the Germans are the first chads of Europe with their epic infantry and based artillery.
@@firstnamelastname4249 Naaah. Greek military tactics influenced Europe and the world such as the Greek Phalanx and technologies like the modern usage of Spear in a combat and many more
I like how they were having a civilized debate and some kid barges in with “based” and “chad” 😂
Rome felt like the post-Jabba Mos Espa by the time of the Avignon Papacy. Anyone smart and rich enough to leave Rome would like to do so.
Smart and rich enough to leave, sounds like modern California lol
I heard that is how modern Rome is too
Buena analogía
Fascinating! It's always neat to "pull back the veil" so to speak on the early papacy.
This part of history is probably only known (and anyway pretty bad) in Italy, you did a great job. Just for curiosity, schiaffo literally means slap. So the Anagni's slap (because apparently the pope was literally slapped by Giacomo Colonna, a pro french roman nobleman (even if the slap itself is probably just a legend))
For what I know, the pope has genuinely been manhandled, though having an armored man-at-arm slapping an elderly pope was probably too much even for a merciless king such as Philippe IV. This king was more into rigged trials and he somehow already had prepared a whole lot of false accusations against the pope.
Note though that the population of Anagni, when informed of the captivity of the pope, rose and freed him from Colonna's men just a few days before he died.
The conductor Arturo Toscanini once refused to play the Fascist anthem before a concert in Bologna, and Mussolini's droogs roughed him up afterward. The press promptly called it "Lo schiaffo a Toscanini".
This event is known in France too (among people interested in medieval history, at least). Here, we consider Philippe le Bel as a great, yet merciless king.
Philippe's chancellor Guillaume de Nogaret is said to be the man who slapped the pope and was thus excommunicated alongside the rest of the delegation. It would take decades of negotiation for this excommunication to be lifted
RIP Templars... gone, but not forgotten.
”Being at war with England, _as one does_”
Lolled at that one ngl
Very few of my students are familiar with the Great Schism. This has some good information. Interesting perspective on how much of a puppet Clement was or was not to the King of France. So much of this was political as well since this was taking place during the conflicts between England and France.
The video does not show that they were not a puppets, it just shows that they had a level of autonomy.
Even my dog has a level of autonomy but he knows who the master is.
The Templar order was the right hand of the pope where all the money, manpower and rich lands were.
The Papal state had to cut off their arm because the French king ordered it.
One could even argue that the fall of Chrisindom in the east happened all because of the destruction of the Templars and their financial backing.
(The templars were the first bankers of the world and allowed huge armies to be used without a huge pile of gold moving with it)
Saying that they were puppets is not an exaggeration but an understatement.
Even my dog won't bite off his own leg if I just order him to do it.
Neither would the pope if he was in Rome, but IF he was close enough for the french king to get to him, then......the rest is history.
Did not the Great Western Schism happened after the return of the popes to Rome?
@@senpainoticeme9675 are you referring to the Reformation? I have seen the word Schism used for more than one event.
@@HistoryfortheAges The Avignon popes were considered legitimitate. When the Papacy returned to Rome, the French Monarchs tried to stop it and with help from French cardinals elected a rival Pope in Avignon. Thus the Great Western Schism was born.
There are 3 Schisms in Christian history
1. The Great Schism between the Latin Catholics and Greek Orthodox.
2. The Great Western Schism between the Roman Popes and the Avignon Popes (these 2nd set of Avignon popes were different from the video) and
3. The Protestant Reformation.
Avignon is very much worth a visit for those wondering 💭
There is actually a cologne (as in the perfume) named after the city of Avignon, and the scent is supposed to evoke the scent of being inside a Catholic church.
Also you refer to the Angevins as ruling both Anjou and Sicily. While yes the Angevins ruled Anjou, Normandy and England, that is the house of Plantagenet, often called the Angevins, the Angevins who ruled Sicily were the Capetian house of Anjou, a cadet branch of the French Royal family
How are your videos always of such high quality?? Any episode I pick is fantastic
This was a good way to make this quagmire understandable. I would love to see a Vid on the Cathars too.
Very good and balanced overview of the Avignon Papacy. Wasn't aware of the newer scholarship. Will have to follow up with that. One correction: the payment of indulgences was meant for the mitigation or removal of the temporal punishments due to sins already forgiven in the Sacrament of Penance rather than for the forgiveness of the sins themselves. Keep up the good work.
Also that indulgences are still a thing. The Catholic Churches agree that Luther was right about 'selling' of indulgences, but noy the indulgences themselves.
@@namvu2362 The distinction between the selling of indulgences, which was an abuse not sanctioned by the Church, and the donation of alms as a means of gaining an indulgence, a practice sanctioned by the Church and still practiced today, has to be preserved.
@@marcuswoods4131 I was agreeing with you :)
Could you make a video about how the duchy of burgundy got so much land became as powerful as the french kings and how they lost it all or they switched sides over and over during the hundred years war?
Oh yes that would be soooo good
Indeed, it's one of the very few instances when the (terrible) personality of the last duke spelled the end of both his ambitions and his realm.
- Angering - ALL - your neighbours (Lorraine, alsatian cities, swiss cantons, kingdom of France)
- Alienating - ALL - your potential allies (kingdom of England, HRE) by careless diplomacy, dismissing their wiews.
- Generaly, behaving rashly, with epic-level arrogance, both on the diplomatic board and on the battlefield.
Great documentary, thank you Kings and Generals Team.
Interesting video! Although the summary of the Templar dissolution is a bit hasty - it seems that scholars agree nowadays that it was not a matter of getting their treasure, but rather a demonstration of the French king's power, higher than the one of the Pope on their territory.
@@baneofbanes unfortunately my sources are in French, but I am mostly referring to Alain Demurger's work (medieval history teacher in Paris University I). A French UA-camr, Nota Bene, made a very interesting summary of the trial in the context of the affirmation of royal power vs the Pope; mostly based on Demurger, but he also refers to the publication of Julien Thiery on the matter.
@@userwsyz well, the Templar order technically didn't die since it went to Portugal and rebranded as "the Order of Christ". Conveniently, Henry the Navigator was able to launch great naval explorations with unexpected findings and his ships wore a massive red cross...
Another interesting video as always! I look forward to more videos on papal history in the future!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)
Yes! I noticed this Avignon papacy area in previous videos and I'm thankful that this is out yo continue traveling through this rabbithole called History of Europe.
Fantastic video. Thank you for this.
Agreed
The main consequence of the Avignon Papacy, as far as i'm concerned, was an impossibility to oversleep on certain days, like Easter. That's the price you pay when you can actually see the Palace's bells from your bedroom window 😭
Thank you , K&G .
Wonderful video. This may be your best yet.
The fact you include spanish audio is great and innovative , you should do the same with other languages!
Even knowing the topic, it’s enjoyable to see your vids on it
Loved the video ! Can't wait to see the next ones that are on the way !
It's so good to learn interesting tiny tidbit details about religion
Love the drawing!
Could you do a video about the military structure of Prussia? It's the topic of a lot of memes and I want to see what was really going on (and how it got there in the first place).
Wow I learned a lot. Thanks for the video
Hope you will get to the council of Constance in 1415 as this ended the schism while also condemning Jan Hus (possibly leading to Luther and the reformation) and in the same year as the famous battle of agincourt. Would be fun to see!
Wtfff I started to hear the video in Spanish freaked out and discovered you can change the language in the videos, that's so cool
nice
really helpful
thanks a lot
2:50 What?? Why use the English coat of arms? It was not the Anjou-Plantagenet that ruled in Naples. These guys ruled in England and Jerusalem. It was the Capet-Anjou that ruled Naples/Sicily in the years 1282-1435, with the Capet-Valois-Anjou "Good King Rene" in 1435-1442....
Also; a pity you hadn't mentioned the Papal dealings with John 'the Blind' of Bohemia, Casimir 'the Great' of Poland and Charles Robert of Hungary
or the betrothal of Louis 'the Great"s daughter with the French Prince, Louis of Orleans (as Hungary supported the Roman Papacy, while France held factual overlordship over the Avignon Popes, as you spoke here)
Great video, but the title is a bit unfortunate. The Avignon papacy is too often depicted as a "babylonian captivity" of the popes by the French monarchy, which, as the video itself says, is an unfair assessment.
Then again, I guess a clickbaity title will help educate more people about this deeply misunderstood period.
You are clearly misinformed about the Babylonian captivity.
The Babylonian Jews got it quite good in Babylon up until when they were banished just about 50 years ago.
Up until then, they were rich, and powerful enough to send a huge contingent back and rebuild the Jewish kingdom again.
No pope managed to do that, they could not even get to Rome alive.
The video does not prove that they were not a puppet, it just shows that they had a level of autonomy.
Even my dog has a level of autonomy but he knows who the master is.
The Templar order was the right hand of the pope where all the money, manpower and rich lands were.
The Papal state had to cut off their arm because the French king ordered it.
Saying that they were puppets is not an exaggeration but an understatement.
Even my dog won't bite off his own leg if I just order him to do it.
Neither would the pope if he was in Rome, but if he was close enough for the french king to get to him, then......
Please make a video on the battle of khanwa 1527Ad . This was a big and decisive battle.
This is seriously one of the topics i was looking for...Cheers everybody (y)
surprise for sure, but a welcome one to see a video about the city i'm living in! it's soo cool to be able to see all the "papal work" every day :D
The Palais des papes in Avignon is worth visiting (after the pandemics)!
I really wish you'd do more videos about China. Its dynasties are fascinating.
Have to admit your videos have widened my insight to history, always something more to learn
A great effort to deal with a period of history which seems to be much more confusing than I had ever imagined.
I always thought the papacy in Avignon was a competing French papacy that occurred at the same time as the papacy in Rome. The video seems to express the move to Avignon as one revolving around safety but what is the significance of the 5 'antipopes' to this story and where did they reside? What exactly was the State of St. Peter and you mention the Papal State although it seems to have lacked a pope? The role of the pope in 'trading' the Order of the Templars is also confusing - I thought it was the King of France who purged the order from France leading to their general demise - not the pope.
Long time fan of the channel and I see a lot of loose ends that could do with some tying up in the upcoming video(s). Although I may not have much faith in the popes of Avignon, I do have faith in the Kings and Generals channel! :D
The Avignon Popes were absolutely not anti-popes. They were the only legitimate popes of their time until 1378 and ruled the Papal state in Italy from Avigon, which was their residence.
This set of Avignon popes weren't anti-popes - the Great Schism only occurred after the popes returned to Rome, a move that didn't please a lot of the Cardinals. Eventually some of them elected their own pope, who moved back to Avignon, meaning there were now two popes. It's at that point that we get the split and a set of popes in Rome and anti-popes in Avignon, starting just a few years after the end of this video.
Philip IV of France wanted to purge the Templar Order, but he needed the pope's permission to do so. That's why the video mentions the pope in that regard - the pope really didn't want to give that permission, and only was persuaded to do so after some time.
I swear to god i start to become happy when i hear the Intro sound of K&G, followed by the cinema stripes.
I'm still waiting for your video about the Templars and their efficient banking system.
Another good video 👍🏻
Great stuff!
I really wish I could support you on patreon, alas I am but a poor peasant with only the clothes on my back to call my own... for now, liking, subscribing and adding these videos to my favorites will have to do
Thank you.👍
@youtube why do you start this video at 11:11? Are you trying to mess with creators' watch times? Thats a bit sus!
Can't wait for a video about the western schism!!
Awesome series ❤
Where do you all find the music and sounds that goes on as you explain different points and whatnot. I love the additions of proper music that gives every point its full attention!
YOU GET A POPE! YOU GET A POPE! YOU GET A POPE!
EVERYBODY GETS A POPE!
Omg, ahora mi canal favorito también en español :')
Wish the animators had done historical accurate art. 3:18 and a image of Pope Julius (reigned 1503-1513) pops up and you can see it's supposed to look like St. Peter's Basilica behind him. The New Basilica was not even started until 1506.
I feel so blessed to see a video of the history of the city I was born in and still live in ! Thanks ! even though I knew already some details as I used to worked in the palace they used to stay in.
No matter how honorable the title he gets. Human is still human. He knows greed, lust, and value his life more than others.
Hoping you can expand the Colonna vs Orsini rivalry.
Even Napoleon had to do this, with him being Corsican he had to prove to people he was French enough to be monarch and what better way to do so than by dragging the Pope from Rome to France as per tradition of the French Kings.
A roman pope would never have accepted the condemnation of the Templar Order. A military order like that, under papal authority, was a good counterweight against the ambitions of any monarch.
Would have been a rumble for sure^^
@@matthewkoob7600 he would not have been able to do that without the permission of the pope
@@holyfreak86 Not legally, of course, but Philippe IV was never deterred by a little bit of illegal dealings, when it suited him (and the templars were but a shadow of their former splendor at this point).
@@holyfreak86 well, the king of France surely had some keys in hands to make the pope change his mind...
Can you plz make a video on the aftermath of this now and the western schism
a very good synopsis, terse and to the point !!
So cool, thanks for dubbing it into spanish!
15:00 I really wonder why Kastamonu is shown on this map lol, I mean, it's not a problem, but it's really not an important city and seeing it among cities like Constantinople, Athens and Rome made me burst into laughter as someone from there
Thank you. It's not often to have a video that reported on the Church so even handed as you have. Most videos denigrate the Church, Christianity and the belief in God. Yours is a breath of fresh air to us believers.
I always knew this period described as "The Babylonian Captivity" as a sort of call back to the the forced detention of Jews in Babylonia following the latter’s conquest of the kingdom of Judah in 598/7 and 587/6 BCE. I'm surprised the term wasn't mentioned in this video. Has it fallen out of favor?
It's obvious Italian/english propaganda. No historian should perpetuate those.
@@dalakhsarothal9624 Perpetuate what?
Like what the video said. Practically all the popes wanted to return to Rome, it was just that the geopolitical situation did not afford them so.
@@johnvictorroderos8842 "Like what the video said." (?)
I'm not wondering about any supposed current propaganda or questioning the geopolitical situation of the era in question, I am wondering about what the video DIDN'T say. Is it that you and @Dalakh Sarothal haven't heard this term before or is it because it has fallen out of favor?
Did anyone think he was about to be sponsored by NFT’s in the beginning? lmao
It does seem like it. It's basically NFTs with extra steps.
And not retarded.
It was so much fun memorising the list of popes with dates back at uni... About the video, I found it a bit misleading at the part around 14:00 that the Kingdom of Hungary is shown in purple, and you put some sultan-like guy on it, a bit anachronistic. It happened more than a hundred years later (Urban V. 1362-1370 vs the lost of Buda and turkish invasion - after 1541).
K&G is getting revenge on Matthias Corvinus for his betrayal of Vlad the Chad.
He must've thought they were already under the Turks two hundred years early.
Janos Hunyadi was quite the man though!
I think this video did a nice job of shedding some much needed light on this little known time in history. nice job. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
I bet this video will crack the UA-cam algorithm
Would it be possible to have a serie about the wars of Louis XIV ? I suppose it is a lot of work tho
So this is why I have to put up with aggresive and vengeful Popes in every EU4 Provence gameplay.
Great content! However at minute 7 there appears on screen 5 Orthodox saints? At least it seems like Orthodox imagery.
I'm a cradle Catholic but this is CRAZY history to me.
Very good video.
Quick correction Indulgences aren't forgiveness of sins for Catholic doctrine.
It is the remission of temporal consequences of sins already forgiven.
One could never buy forgiveness, but one could donate money, go on a pilgrimage, do charity, etc to help the consequences of what they had done, once they were forgiven already. It still is so today.
Excellent! Congrats for historical research and good images! I cant wait for more
Hi, please do the new episode of Augustus, it has been so long that I forgot what happened in the last one
It's a bit of a shame that most pictures are inaccurate, anachronistical or don't have any tie to the subject, because the text itself is of great quality
The house of Anjou that ruled Sicily was a branch of the Capetian dynasty. It had little to do with the Parent house of Plantagenet which also happened to be another dynasty called Anjou. I'm disappointed by such obvious mistakes.
Can you do a video about the Battle or Siege of Khe Sanh 1968? Or maybe Battle of Dien Bien Phu 1954?
The stubborness of Benedict XIII led to a Spanish idiom: "Seguir en sus trece" (Remaining in their thirteen), which refers to when a person remains in their position, no matter how unreasonable.
What's the dubbing software (spanish) you used? It sounds 99.999% human.