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The Origin of Gender
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2018
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Why do we think there are only two genders? Because there are cultures that believe there are many more than two genders. And what’s the difference between sex and gender?
Written and Hosted By: Danielle Bainbridge
Graphics By: Noelle Smith
Edited By: Mike Petrow
Fact Check: Sarah Edwards
Produced By: Kornhaber Brown (www.kornhaberbrown.com)
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Judith Butler Gender Trouble lauragonzalez.c...
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Joanne Meyerwitz “A History of Gender” www.fd.unl.pt/...
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Joan W. Scott “Gender: A Useful Category of Historical Analysis.”
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"der affe" is not feminine. It's "der Affe" and its masculine.
Hey guys! Thanks for the correction, this one slipped by us! It is in fact an error in the graphics. Thanks for commenting and contributing.
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@@pbsorigins I've commented on the video trying to reach out to you with some more historical biological facts, hope you'll see that.
@@tigress1girl Hey! So for the last few episodes of season 1 (the last one is coming out in 2 weeks!) I haven't been able to shoot comments because I'm in the midst of some other work obligations. That being said, do you mind just dropping the links to the additional resources you found on this pinned comment? That way folks can still see them, even though I won't get a chance to shout them out at the end of next week like I usually would. Thanks!
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That's exactly what I was thinking- I was so confused when I saw it labeled as feminine!
Oh ein deutscher Zuschauer😁
Uh I mean that medieval stuff about penises and vaginas being the same thing, developed differently is not very far off from what we know about prenatal development. Not 100% on point, but to be honest I find it remarkable that they would even come that close.
A clitoris is an inverted penis so they weren't that far off
Yes, was thinking that too!
@@Pabakus I came here to say this, thank you for educating so concisely and precisely!
You can actually clearly see that by just observing the built of the genitalia, I came to that conclusion as a kid just looking at my biology book.
@@Pabakus wait what do you mean by the female body being the prototype and the male body being the deviation? Are men really supposed to be women but we broke off into a different gender after a while?
Imagine how confusing everything was for humans before complex language..they probably just lived and loved those around them and didn’t overthink everything..
I don't want to rain on you parade, but I don't think it was as nice as one may think.😅
@@ourslashgarbotm6309 ooga booga
I heard once that caveman ate their baby's brains...
@@ourslashgarbotm6309 Even because the human race's history is covered with conflict and war. Now imagine if we couldn't understand words nowadays!
@@redfox555 right? I mean, I get what they're going for, purity of simplicity or something like that, but I think the complexity of man isn't something that can be objectively compared to any other species. Sorry if I'm getting philosophical, I'm drowsy and like thinking too much, thanks for responding.😅
I'm an old guy who has been raised in the western culture with the binary bias unchallenged. I am interested in the concept of fluid gender but will have to take it in a bit more slowly than presented in this video. I will start with some of your sources. I am willing to put in the work.
I'm really glad that you are open and willing to look in to it. Too many people dismiss the whole concept as just silly without listening to people or doing any research
Thank you for this
As a trans person I genuinely appreciate your willingness to learn. And I want you to know even if we disagree with each other, what you're doing is admirable and something that needs to be done more in our society.
For whatever reason it has become a UA-cam norm to have absolutely no dead time in a video. For these self styled educational channels it makes it really hard to learn.
Oof
*+Erin J* and everyone else that might help me understand, I have looked into it and haven't really found anything there that changed my mind. When I ask people to help me understand, they often say I need to do my own research or they don't even really reply.
I don't see how gender makes sense, I don't see it as a real thing anyway, neither does the video point to this. All it seems to show is that it's a social construct build on a foundation of nothing. Essentially, gender is to me a relic from religion, an excuse we used to burn Joan d'Arc at the stake for wearing the wrong clothes. Let's have religion keep gender, let the rest of us stick to sex, that's much more important - at least there is some measurable medical difference and to what extent some psychological traits can be born from that...well idk, but I don't think that should morally matter anyway.
It seems to me that clinging to 'gender as a real thing' only serves to enable sexism/discrimination even more. This discussion is often mixed with the possible existence of trans people. And this is what I mean too. It's clear they exist, they don't want to be discriminated against. Their experience isn't as whimsical as women wearing pants, of pink being a boys colour at first but now it's blue, or women not being assertive and men not being caring.
From what I've seen, these ideas are considered insensitive and (factually as well as morally) wrong by many people that talk about gender. But when I ask them to help me better understand, they don't want to. Could you help me? Or do you happen to agree with me?
there's only one gender and it's nerf or nothing
Right.
Yeah! SMH those libruls makin up genders like 'male' and 'female. They just want attention!!1! I remember when life was so much easier back in the day because people were only nerf or nothing. Back then we used 'they' but now the democrats are making us use 'he' and 'she'??? This is indoctrination!!1! >:(((((
jk if you were wondering
@@toolio5268 this is the best thing i've read all day
thank you, you are so real pre-death aradia medigo from 2010s-famous webcomic homestuck
@@astralvelocity of course lotus dragon, legendary character from the hit game cookie run
An informative video but it did not explain the origin if gender as a concept, as the title suggests. This just gives examples of how different cultures have utilized gender.
It is definitely more focused on the origin of the gender binary and how that became the dominant belief in Western culture, but tbh I prefer that. Obviously it would also be great to have a video about the origin of different genders (though that begs the question which genders would be featured, there's no possible way to include all historical genders), and I hope we get one, but I do think this video is more necessary. After all, you can't productively explain the origin of gender to people who still believe gender=sex.
That's because there isn't. You're either male or female without needing to read into it. And in the case of intersex, the exceptions don't make the rule.
@@CatHasOpinions734 Just admit that those extra genders were all made up. At this point, it's basically a 64 crayola set.
It would take a long time to trace the origins back to their beginnings. It would probably be the beginning of humanity, and that would be a lot of centuries and cultures to get through. I agree, though.
It's just saying that some people are more or less masculine and feminine like we always thought
The rest the semantics. Colour is about as relevant as the symbol of male and female. That's the worst argument.
Fun fact: Slavic languages have 3 grammatical genders: femmenine, masculine and "middle", but calling a person by the middle gender is considered rude. Just like in English if you call someone "it".
it isn't always considered rude if you call somebody "it" as there are people who go by the pronouns it/its.
@@rymaix Huh?
@@laurent3760 yeah the “it” is kinda splitting the lgbt community
We have they
@Alex Johnson "Ono". I'm not very good with Croatian, but in Ukrainian and Russian it's considered rude to call a person this.
I would love to see an "origin of pockets" video. I feel bad for you ladies who never wear clothes with'em--they're the greatest innovation in clothing!
There's a few good articles about the history of pockets I've stumbled upon. Look up the Mic article 'The Weird, Complicated, Sexist History of Pockets', it's an interesting read.
Iron Boots they have purses... they’re like pockets but better
Women's clothing was purposely constructed without pockets to prevent them from concealing suffragette pamphlets. Previously, women wore pockets sewn separately and worn by a belt inside their skirts.
I'm not sure how long pockets have been in women's clothing, but I Can tell you that pockets for ladies have been around since at least the British colonial /revolutionary War era. Pockets were roughly two pieces of strong, pear shaped fabric sewn together and having an opening in the front center of one piece. A strong ribbon or cord was attached to the top of pocket, so the pocket could be tied around the waist, over the corset, and the petticoat. There were openings in the sides of the petticoat and over skirt so the women could access their pockets. Hope that helps.
Don’t blame us, blame the clothing companies! We have phones, too!
Firstly, "gender" is an English word. Not every language has a word for gender. Therefore it doesn't make sense to assume all cultures have a concept of gender, at least you cannot assume, the English "gender" has the same meaning as any given category you may find in a different culture that is in some way related to sex. Therefore, using categories (terms) of other cultures or referring to earlier times is an imposition of one's own modern concepts and appropriation of other cultures and uses those categories/terms most likely only in a very distorted version of their true, original meaning.
Secondly, first there was sex. Sex is the manifestation of a certain way to reproduce. Sex in humans is essentially binary, you need exactly one of each sex to reproduce. Intersex does not mean there are more than two sexes.
Thirdly, today gender is often used to describe gender identity. Instead of referring to cutural expectations about how a member of a certain sex will or should behave, the word gender is used to describe how an individual feels or sees themselves. This means, gender no longer refers to an interindividual view of social roles. And this new meaning of the word gender is only loosely connected to sex. Therefore you could theoretically construct as many genders as there are individuals. The question is whether this new meaning of gender has any meaning at all, other than to express a solipsistic view of oneself.
This was very well said
Very well said.
Gender (binary) and sex are very much connected to each other which is understandable 'cause after all a lot of people have that urge, that responsibility to reproduce and have a family. In fact, that was the standard for a person's life and those moments in their lives were also what made them a good member of society.
I think after the industrial revolution and the improvement of health care, which contributed to the increasing birth rate and the decreasing mortality rate, the views on life changed, thus erasing those responsibilities from our to-do list (marrying, having and raising children is becoming more of a choice than a responsibility).
Of course, the transition between the old fashioned view and the modern one was very very slow, but nowdays (for a lot of us), the goal is to find happiness, to find purpose within ourselves and our lives through our own interests and not by what the old-fashioned norm tells us what we must do.
That's why I think people started to understand themselves more, to find the courage to come out, to think out of the box, to think that their identity is important and has to be validated. Some of us don't survive anymore. We just live, and have the desire to make the most out of it.
@@aquaaria3489 Wonderful comment!
Exactly this!!!
Hmm. Well, my own native language certainly doesn't have a different word for these two concepts, to my knowledge. We only have "sukupuoli" (directly translated... suku=family/relation + puoli=side/half... or something?), so as I learned English, it took a moment to catch the difference of the two. We also do not have gender-specific personal pronouns, only one shared pronoun for everyone whose considered a person :'D Although "gender" still confuses me a bit, since, well, there are obviously hundreds of different ways a person might prefer to socially present themselves to make themselves comfortable, be it how they dress, or what they do for fun, or a myriad of other things. But... Is that gender? Or is it preference? Is gender a concept name meant to encompass this preference?
Also, when we talk about transgender people, I've heard it explained as "people whose gender identity doesn't match the one assigned at birth", but... Isn't the one assigned at birth their... sex? Trans people seem to usually want to change that, their sex? Of course, if I wasn't clear on that, I'm completely for people to do whatever makes them comfortable in their bodies and life, as long as it's not actively harmful towards them or others.
I'm just especially confused about the terminology and what everyone refers to with gender identities, since well, to me, it's all one and the same. Why does it matter how a person presents themselves? Yes, there are two types of parts, or hell, cells, that will make a baby when combined, crudely put, but... that really has nothing to do with anything, does it? Or maybe I'm missing something, since in the English terminology, I would probably count myself as "agender", since I don't feel a connection with... well, neither gender roles nor the... sex? Personally would probably prefer if I had no features that would point towards a sex, but I also don't feel that bad with the features I have. I don't, at least currently, consider myself trans because of this, although I understand someone else with the same feelings might.
This gets even more confusing, when sexual/romantic preferences are considered. I'm not one to talk about attraction since it's not exactly something I experience, but when you consider any orientation of relationship... What is it exactly that the person is attracted to? Is it the way the other person behaves? The way their respective parts combine while being intimate or the possibility of offspring? Combination of these and a handful of other factors? The preference towards feminine/masculine factors? But then, what are those?
All this ranting to basically say "What the heck is gender?", "Why is something 'feminine' or 'masculine' and are those just made up?" and "Why does anyone, including myself, care?" :'D Apologies and thank you for reading if you managed to get through this whole post :D
Some native American tribes have Two-spirits which is another example of a third gender
If you mean, there is a diversity of gender among Native American tribes, absolutely. There's also a diversity of terminology, social roles, and levels of acceptance among different tribes, and probably even within local communities.
The concept of two-spirit is, as I understand it, a response to the colonial imposition of a supposedly universal framework for gender. There's some debate within tribal communities about the word itself, including how to define the term, and whether the term is truly useful. There's also many who might be called two-spirit who favor their community's specific terms instead. It's no more settled than the ongoing debate about terms in the LGBTQIA communities at large.
I just want to make sure that we approach the subject with the recognition that things are more complex. Then again, they always are.
I think the absence of two spirit individuals is a result of colonialism, actually. Many tribes had more than two or even three genders until the genocide of the indigenous people of the Americas...err...I mean colonialism.
Will Roscoe has some amazing books about the topic and well worth the read.
To be clear, I'm not arguing otherwise. But I am repeating what some Native Americans have said about the term two-spirit. They didn't have a universal term before we showed up and started insisting on universal terms. They had terms focused on tribal identity -- and some Native Americans prefer it that way, including those who identify that way.
For example, there are modern winkte among the Lakota who don't like being called two-spirit, or who treat two-spirit identities as more of a loose affiliation than a core of their self-identity.
Ok, but if we consider that a gender it would be cultural appropriation
But the Greek guy from the 2nd century was pretty much right! The penis isn't "inverted" in females, but it is true that men and female genitals have all the same parts! All fetuses look exactly the same before the same parts kind of "move" around and grow into different sizes and attach differently etc.
To an extent
I just wanted to give my linguistic "two cents" as it were: gender in language isn't so much an association with masculinity/femininity/neuter (although such can certainly be the case when referring to people or objects/ideas having to do with people), but rather an arbitrary system of noun classification to distinguish groups of words marked in some way. Many Indo-European languages have two or three noun classes often classified as masculine, feminine, neuter, etc., but many other languages have noun classes that group words completely differently, such as Swahili which has groups like kinship terms, animals, abstract things, etc. It might seem like a silly distinction to make, but I think it's an important one.
My favorite example of this is "das Mädchen" in German - translates to "the girl," although the "the" is neuter. This has everything to do with the spelling of the word and the grammar rules in German, as opposed to having anything to do with the "gender" of the noun in question.
All languages have a distinct way of constructing a sentence to convey communication of some sort. Gender may or may not be something a language uses, but when I think of gender I don't think of it in terms of use in a language. I think of gender as the way in which a person identifies themselves, such as men usually feel 'male' for example. When people start talking about language it's very interesting until 'gender' is mentioned.
@Sardonicus this languages are related the gender use in them is masculine and feminine if they include other gender languages that had other classification you would see different results
@Sardonicus I'm a French native speaker. There are some rules to determine if a noun in feminine or masculine but it has nothing to do with some attributes we could give to an object. Most of them are arbitrary. For example, a shoe can be either "un soulier" or "une chaussure". Both are correct and name the same object but have different genders. Where I'm from, we use more "soulier" and in other countries, they use more "chaussure". Why? Customs. Other example, in the same category of words, some words are masculine and some feminine: "une orange, un citron, une lime, un/une pamplemousse". Some words like "pamplemousse" or "trampoline" can be either feminine or masculine. Here, we use more "un pamplemousse" and "une trampoline". Why? I guess because it sounds better). Both orange and pamplemousse can be describe using the same words: a fruit, a citrus, round, spherical, smooth. There are no reasons why one is feminine and one masculine. Some words change meaning when they change gender and others like "amour" could change gender when it is pluriel (ex. mon amour [m. s.]; mes folles amours [f. p.]).
Also, I'm fluent in Spanish. Many times, the genders in French and Spanish don't aligned. I don't think my view of an object changes from a language to the other just because it has a different gender.
In my part of the French world, most professions have their male/female counterpart and it's not acceptable to use a masculine descriptive for a woman. Here, nobody would say "Madame le maire". The general agreement is to say "Madame la mairesse". There are great efforts to use inclusive language in communications. Also, your statement on the relation between language and traditional gender views wouldn't be true here. From what I see, there are other reasons than a gendered language to explain the difference between men/women labour force or the different views on traditional gender roles. In Canada in 2016, 85% of French-speaking women aged 20 to 44 yo were working compared to 80% of their English-speaking counterpart. In comparaison, 85% of Swiss women, 84% of Swedish women, 79% of German women, 78% of French and Brit women, 75% of Japanese women, and only 73% of Americans women all aged 25-44 yo were working in 2016. It's not about language, it's about politics.
Both in French and in Spanish, there is a debate about how to refer to non-binary persons. In both language, neutral gender doesn't exist. I have no problems using feminine pronouns and describers for my trans-women friends, but it's harder for my non-binary friends. Not because I don't want to, but because I lack the words or the grammatical rules to express clearly myself. There are some efforts to create new words and grammatical rules but there is no uniformity among them. For use, it feels like learning a new language.
@@sherylhosler9487
That's because of the rule that the diminutive is usually always in neutrum. Mädchen is the diminutive of Magd which is feminin
“Gender” the series. Please make a mini series about gender
YAS.
yessss!
I would LOVE this
Yeah.... covering all those other sides that were summarized for time
That would be super AWESOME
Sex= genotype. Gender=phenotype.
In Tagalo, there is no "he" or "she"; that's a fun conversation
I think it's the same in Persian.
I was confused for a moment till I realize Tagalo was a typo. But yes other than that, there are no pronouns in Tagalog. Pretty neat, huh? :D
In Choctaw langues there aren't he/she pronouns either :)
Not quite
Maybe gender is better described as a memotype or meme-system of ascribed/subscribed/prescribed/conscribed sex expressions, expectations, and associations synthesized/interpreted through interpersonal relationships (self, others, society, culture). I suppose sex and gender co-contribute to phenotype.
*I’m just an AFAB non-binary person who’s here for no real reason other than the fact that I’m gathering videos to show to my mom. Don’t mind me!*
Lmao, I'm keeping this video preciously in case that I one way decide to come out as non binary to my family :) good luck to you!!
@@sofiapulido1187 Thanks! You, to!
@Confused Same here
I like your username 😅
@Confused Can relate
How do you gather them? I found UA-cam's playlist system to be very inconvenient and very thought o organise
I love her shirt
Me too....though the pizza seems to express itself outside the pizza-roll norm. I'm pretty sure it was assigned pie at birth and is pre-transition...but damn I love that shirt..and this video.
It's great. It's body positive and gender equal all at once
Ikr! She always wears awesome outfits.
Hilariously ridiculous shirt
Honestly with her getup she really fit a Stereotype.
I'm a male. I was born a male and I do man ish...but that's ME.
Whatever you wanna be...do you
You're the kind of person we need more of.
Honestly, we act like ourselves, and those who identify with other than the binary genders don't have a choice but to be who they are or try to fit into a gender role and be miserable, living a lie for the rest of their life. Gee, did I just out myself? Well, I have always been this person even when I was suppressed into a gender role I felt like I never fit into and never thought I should have to 'get used to'. I was miserable and finally came to my senses, upset a few people, but I became me. I let myself quit living the lie and have permission to be who I am. It's not really a choice to be one particular gender. It's who you are born as and the genetics research support that statement. If you are male gender and society agrees with you, that's great. I wish I could say the same. Just a bit of explanation here. Not saying you're wrong.
I agree, but if your not in the more dominant, socially accepted groups, your expression of yourself will face constant headwind. I'm often surprised on a two-way bicycle trip how I completely failed to notice the tailwind I was enjoying while on my first trip. Now imagine if I had that tailwind my whole life - obviously I would be blind to it and protesting about how I have some problems in my life as well.
Attack helicopter meme is appropriate here and not cringe.
i identify as a helicopter. by that im able to avoid taxes and have always fresh air. also, you need to adress me with "monsieur" or you will be called a racist
I really like this video. Thank you for explaining this topic so well!
KOVU!!! How am I the first to reply to this??? (I know this comment is two years old but still)
@@glitchedartistx7964 SAME BRO
KOVU!!!!!
Hi kovu!♥️
Heeeyyy!!!! Nice seein you here
upon deeper thinking on the issue i somewhen realized that yeah, there are four biological sexes (male, female, both and none, the latter two being rare), gender is more of a spectrum and i don't understand why people are still pressured into putting their personality, a spiritual trait, into one of two bins determined by the physical thing that's between your legs. after all the body doesn't define the person. the brain does. and the brain has no dick or vagina. while i'm not necessarily a friend of pushing for a million different pronouns for each inch on the spectrum, i just think that it's idiotic to not accept a guy who likes dressing feminine but enjoys "manly" hobbies, or a gal who works on a construction site and carries her wife to bed each night. they're all people, personalities, individuals, humans regardless, not just flesh lumps dressed in skin with one or the other genital.
I like how she didn't mention Dr. John Money who is considered the father of gender theory and the disgusting origin of it.
Ofc she didn't mention him, that would destroy her entire video.
Uh... No? The actual guy had his research burned by the nazis. Look up the Institute of Sexology. It goes by many names but that's the easiest to remember for me
What he *_actually_* did was mutilate a baby boy after a failed circumcision (a *religious* practice), and proceeded to have him raised as a girl. But, the young boy knew that, despite being forced to be raised as something he wasnt, he knew he was a boy. His gender identity didnt match what he was forced to be physically... Y'know, the thing that transphobes force trans kids to do all the time? Force them to identify as something they arent.
He ended up taking his own life due to it.
If anything, he proved that gender affirmation saves lives.
Oh! Can you do a video explaining the origins of kissing and where some kissing traditions come from? (kissing under the mistletoe, kissing at midnight on new years eve, etc...)
It would also be interesting to cover in that the cultures where kissing is taboo or considered disgusting. Which...if you consider the bacteria in our mouths, makes some amount of sense.
The funny thing is that in some cultures it's normal to kiss when greeting friends
@@Ben-ny3xn France.
Prior to watching this video, my take was that biological sex is either male, female, or something in between (intersex). Gender, as a concept apart from biological sex, was something that I didn't fully understand, and what intuitively seemed to me as an incoherent concept, but something I gave a benefit of the doubt to. This video kind of helped me better understand the latter, though I still don't understand it fully and find it hard to grasp coherently.
Gender=sex
@@JamesGallagher90 what
@@JamesGallagher90 lol, wut. What you just said doesn't make sense at all. We can't erase sex. People just don't want "sex" to affect them too much.
@@JamesGallagher90 sex = male, female, or intersex
Gender/ gender identity = man, woman, non-binary, etc. includes pronouns that refer to oneself (she/her, they/them, etc.) may not always align with sex.
Sex and gender are not the same thing and knowing about this difference does not mean one is being erased, because that’s not how words or biology work. These are *very* simplified explanations and if I left something out I’m sorry. Please read a modern biology textbook before spreading hate
@@JamesGallagher90 wonderful rebuttal
I love how she discussed nonbinary genders :) thank you
That doesn't exist
@@Dougiewoof that doesn't mean it is a factual gender. Also anyone can put stuff on Wikipedia which is why it's not considered a credible source.
@@thetornadocrusader968 so you didn't watch the video, got it.
@@surprisedrat1 so you think your right cause you watched a video ok got it
@@thetornadocrusader968 at least i don't bais my opinion on a elementary school education from the 1800s.
How smart would the USA be if every teacher was like her….
YES
it would be horrible and I'd take my kid out of the school the minute she started w/ her Marxist class bull shxt.
You kids won’t have any friends then :)
@@user-pk3bn1pu6s It's Ok I'll be their Friend :)
@@yhfsywfit Dang you don’t what your kids to be taught actual facts? You want them to be lied to? You’re sad.
Also, the idea of 2 genders was more common among societies that practiced Christianity. There are examples in some European societies pre Roman invasion of individuals that do not fit into neat little gender boxes
This! Gender is directly linked to Christianity
@@laobok using what
@@shayuh1244 I wouldn't say directly but a good portion of it sure is.
wait didn't they went around the world forcing the 2 gender thing and murdering all the ppl that didn't follow their views?
@@juaovit there are a lot of people who did away with anyone who didn't agree with their views
I have a bit of a comment. Gender isn't really masculine and feminine, it's man and woman (and non binary). I think masculine and feminine are gender roles, which are different from the genders themselves
The general concept is that the biological "what chromosomes you have" or "what genitalia you have" are "sex", not "gender." *GENDER* is the social construct of "masculine" and "feminine". In social sciences, the two have distinct meanings. In "common usage" the two are often conflated, though.
You are a masculine (gender) man (sex.) You are a feminine (gender) man (sex.) Then there's sexuality. You can be a feminine straight man - what is frequently derisively been called "Crossdresser." (Not a good term to use to someone in polite society, of course.) Or you can be a masculine straight woman (often called "tom boy" without any of the negative connotation prescribed to a feminine man.) You can be a feminine gay man. Or you can be a feminine straight transgender woman. Many people conflate the two.
Or, you can just be you, and accept that other people are who they are, without worrying about the labels. But know that some people *DO* concern themselves with the labels. Or ascribe negativity to certain people based on those labels, even if they don't fully understand the labels themselves.
One thing that was missing in this video is the distinction between gender identity (someone's internal experienced gender) and gender expression (the culturally bound ways someone communicates their gender). With this additional distinction:
Sex=male/female/intersex
Gender=man/woman/non-binary/etc.
Expression=masculine/feminine/neutral/other
If gender is purely a social construct, and we are just the gender we are socialized to be, then that ultimately invalidates transgender identities. Neurobiology is just scratching the surface of a biological/genetic basis for transgender identity, so we have a lot more to learn about why folks experience gender in the ways that they do. It's definitely not as simple as gender being a social construct.
lady14bug Can someone explaint the difference between identity and expression to me?
And first how does that invalidate transgender identity
second as shown in the video, roles and expression aren't the same across cultures
Vorname Nachname Identity = what you identify as. Expression = how you outwardly express yourself.
A "tomboy" woman is a woman who identifies as a woman, but dresses like a man. It's so common, it isn't even considered in any way controversial any more. (Heck, it even has stretched what "dressing like a man" means.)
The opposite is still far more likely to be ostracized - a man who identifies as a man, but expresses more similarly to a woman. He may wear makeup, he may wear dresses or other "feminine" clothing.
Behavior influences hormones and vice-versa. If a biological male, for instance, regularly engages in more or less traditionally masculine behaviors and thought processes, their androgen (male hormones) production and expression will reflect it. Likewise an individual who has higher levels of a particular hormone for other reasons will display not only physical, but mental/psychological manifestations of the compound(s) in question.
Gender and sex are one and the same, and we've known this for a long time now. It's the very reason the roles we're expected to play based solely on our biological sex, are called "gender roles" to begin with. Also, just because there are XX males and XY females doesn't mean gender isn't a binary. The *real* binary has to do with the SRY gene and androgen receptors. Those whose development involved both an active SRY gene and active androgen receptors develop as male (one or two anomalies aside), and those whose development didn't involve both develop as females (again, regardless of whether or not they have a rare defect or two).
Next, you seem to have confused gender roles and gender norms with gender itself. But this presents a fundamental problem (in addition to it making the phrases "gender roles" and "gender norms" redundant). Because you see, if someone adhered to all of the behavioral norms and socially constructed roles of a woman, but identified as a man, you and every other advocate for modern gender theory would call them a man. So we see that the most intellectually honest representation of your worldview is something which defines, say, 'woman" as "someone who identifies as a woman". Very illogical, very circular, but that is in truth how you operate; might as well admit it.
Yep, I call it gender metaphysics kek. The social construct argument is pure circular reasoning which is totally meaningless. You can claim anything is a social construct, but that doesn't mean it's not constructed on an observable phenomenon. It is great to see such an intelligent response. It is bleak witnessing the younger generation fall into this madness. This comes from a gen z.
You know what I've been loving about this channel? You guys can tackle today's controversial topics without a hint of judgmentalism. Just History, facts, and no politics. THIS is how you teach people. What most preachers out there don't get is that you don't antagonize those who you want to convince, because that will just make them go defensive and close off their reasoning from whatever you have to say. This here is how you do it, and you can even see some people willing to be convinced right here in the comment section. This charismatic woman, and whoever wrote this script (if not herself), deserve the greatest hug there's ever been. Bravo!
This video is rife with political motivation. That is not inherently a bad thing.
@@Christian-zd2xo Sure, there is a political motivation to it. I mean, if we look closely into it, most of the great things we do stem from political motivation. But having a political motivation is pretty different from speaking in a political manner. What I meant is that they presented the subject from a more neutral and educational perspective. They didn't say that you have to believe, that THE RIGHT MUST SUCCUMB TO MY WHIMS, or anything like that. They just presented the subject for what it is and that's all. If you fall to using labels and antagonizing, "there's us and there's them", then there's nothing you can accomplish except for gaining antagonists.
@@SirZelean I generally agree. I just think it is an important note that the video is structured and delivered in order to sell a political narrative. Not even divided by left and right, but in ways that show a lack of understanding regarding several things mentioned. The neutrality is not clear to me. It's very clearly Eurocentric in its view and explanation of other cultures, particularly with the off-handed mention of gendering nouns(which is altogether so strong an oversimplification that it could easily be considered false) and the way they repeatedly iterate the point of white rich men putting themselves in power and intentionally oppressing those beneath them. Even in medieval societies, we can see through the work and ideas of Foucault and even Marx that power is much more complex than this. And on its own it may seem a harmless point, but it furthers a narrative that paints people priveleged by a system as the enemy, when the propogators of the system, as well as inherent assumptions the system implies to be true are the enemy. It can so easily be polarizing, and show a genuinely inaccurate and sometimes detrimental view of history. And that's not getting into the interesting choices made in presenting gender history. As someone who IS trans I would never send this to someone and expect them to garner what they need from it without also ingesting demonstrably false information
While education is important.. protection of right and getting basic human rights is also important..in any kind of activism there always had and would be a radical side who would try to push the envelope fast. For some legal measures, and social measures its ' perception' vs 'existence' .. so i would always be biased towards steps that solidify human rights of existence over educating the whole population with no exception.
The point is, accepting transgender is now mainstream and saying otherwise makes someone a bigot. Which is beautiful
Wow, I’d never thought of all those historical things before! So, would the conclusion be “gender is linked to livelihood of either a agricultural society or a colonize/industrial society”?
It’s all cultural.
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly it.
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson I know it's been 7 months, but the phrasing you use is a little misleading, it didnt go from biological to cultural. Its more of a case of biological sex developed, with gender being a byproduct of biological sex and the surrounding environment. Sorry if my explanation sucked, just ask if you have questions, thanks for reading if you did, bye.❤
I think this video is mislabeled. This video doesn't explain how gender came to be, you gave many examples of gender norms that may be foreign or strange to modern Americans but no examples of cultures wheregender doesn't exist. So what is the origin of gender itself? A better label would be "the origin of gender norms in the west" although that wasn't very well explained either, just a quote from the enlightenment and a quip about farming practices. Imo I think gender is an inevitable part of life: how can you have two distinct sexes without that somehow playing into culture? Would love to see you go more in depth in this topic, I love these videos but this one seemed poorly thought out.
6:25
Gender has always existed.
Celina k right. So she pulled a few buzzwords from the enlightenment and cited agricultural reasons without explaining why or how those things came about. I can't be that mad, this is a huge topic that's hard to be summed up in a handful of minutes.
@@youweremymuse some other examples are the industrial age, one parent working at a factory and one staying home. Anytime work and where we live become separated, so does gender roles. Another is fishing culture, if the husband has to sail away from the home almost every day.
6:54 so agriculture that didn't have ploughs or cows available and hunter gather societies, would have been more equal.
I think you're correlating sex and gender (which is what the first part of the video was about). There is a difference. Gender only really plays a part in society if it is your main identity. If someone doesn't conform it doesn't change all that much about society, people will still perform jobs and they will continue to push their version of society forward. That said, if someone does conform to their idea of what gender is, it doesn't change much either, as long as they're not pushing it on anyone else.
I'm not particularly 'girly', and I don't like doing 'girly' things and yet it hasn't harmed my ability to work in modern society. What does make me uncomfortable (and thus less willing to work harmoniously with the person, my shoulder might be a tad bit colder) is when someone else sees that I have breasts and immediately think that sums up my very existence (which has happened more often than I would like, especially in retail and hospitality, or people online telling me I'm wrong for not liking something girls should like, or for liking something boys should like).
That said, sex does change the way we function in society, to an extent. For example: I practice HEMA (medieval sword fighting), and I acknowledge that I am not going to be as strong as the average man although, I do get comments from men who can't brute strength their way past me (like you're strong for a girl!). This is because we, as a people, can adapt (I have my tricks, such as leverage and timing to ensure the advantage when it comes to binding the swords). With more modern creations, a little bit of human ingenuity and know how, sex isn't as big of a divide as it was in the past.
And then there's sexuality. This does play more of a role in a lot of our identities. This might be because it has become more of an issue in that we are finally starting to open up about it, or it might be because most people crave physical contact. But sexuality has nothing to do with sex, or gender.
Humans are too complex to be boxed into one gender, or another, and then told 'this is what you are, and these are the things you must do/like because you are this gender'. It's why there's such a push back against it. It's not really natural. Divide by sex is more natural, but again, becoming more obsolete every passing year.
Speaking fast doesnt make your points any more coherent. Intersex is not just an anomaly - it is an abnormality grounded in genetics. If it makes it easier think of Intersex like Downs Syndrome or Cerebral Palsy. A genetic disorder involving sex classification which occurs during fetal development. Intersex is used by the disingenuous to confuse the sex binary and in some way confuse people into believing gender is actually a valid concept. Think of gender as your personality. It is how you present yourself and your behavior. Personality can change and we are all unique in this area. Personality is often reflected in specific traits which we share but manifest in differing degrees. Example: agreeableness, conciseness.
Wake me up, when the comments come.
Also, you showed "Der Affe" to be feminine in German, but "der" is masculine and "Affe" therefore is a masculine word.
Didn't you hear what she said. . ."she was rushed" and needed to fit in as many lies and as much bullshit as possible. . .you didn't expect her to be accurate or truthful did you
P K Yeah another comment said that and she thanked them for the correction.
@@rustyshields7190 you'll say all that, without giving a single example of what she said that was incorrect, other than that graphic error. we're supposed to take your word for it though, right?
Yay, a gender video that includes nonbinary identities AND that many cultures had nonbinary genders! :D
Nonbinary is a western thing, though. The concept of nonbinary is kind of meaningless in a framework separate from western norms and roles. There are probably better, more fitting terms for it… Some indigenous people might take offence to being called nonbinary, others might self-identify as such. It's better not to assign labels to others or to assume things (you know, like pronouns and stuff… though 'they' is a pretty safe choice in English). Nonbinary is often called a white thing but there are plenty of nonbinary BIPoC. White people can't identify as Two-Spirit etc., though - it's cultural appropriation. But I'm white (and a Finn, hello!), so I am not the best source of information, nonbinary or not. Just thought that I should let others know what I've learnt. Hopefully people will do their research and try to understand. And jokes about military aerial vehicles just aren't funny. I'm a submarine myself.
"Non binary" isn't real.
Liz Damien II shit man, I didn’t know I was a unicorn on two counts now.
Suvi-Tuuli Allan ah, you are quite right on that count. Maybe genders outside the western binary? But boy that’s a mouthful. xp Damn limitations of English! o9
Caterfree10 That was actually funny, lol.
I went through a phase where I was like "there are only 2 genders just open a biology textbook lmao" and then I grew up and actually opened some science textbooks and was like well shit time to not be an asshole
LMAOOO One time somebody did that and I googled it for a video and they said it’s because the LGBTQ community controlled Google😭
@@joseph030i8 I wish we did 😂
Yeah I doubt that ever happened considering it’s sex which you’d learn about in biology not gender. More than likely you just felt better to accept the idea/theory because you’d be branded as an ass hole or phobic of something.
Simply put, we are multidimensional beings. We cannot be labeled into categories. The more we label, the more we lose ourselves and focus only on a fraction of our whole self. We need to go beyond labels. See people for who they are.
_________________"Who" we are is not the same thing as "what" we are.
For a video titled "The Origin of Gender", you seemed to have omitted, the most important part of history regarding the origin of Gender, John Money who is considered the father of the "Gender" concept and who coined the term "gender roles" and many other notions. You cannot talk about gender without talking about him. You should definitely do a separate video on him.
1:58 and might I add that those surgeries should not be allowed bc they can cause a multitude of problems in the child
Makes sense. Just like "sex change" surgeries.
Today we should re-teach perception of gender entirely.
There are male and female period p and v , the rest what is outside of your body and not attached to it has no gender. Meaning clothes,jobs,chores,makeup,
hobbies,skills etc... has no gender sexe or sexuality. Wear or do what suits you and makes you happy cause own happiness equals peace,health and balance. 2nd emotions are not feminine just like muscles and anger are not masculine, those are simply human traits that we were groomed to believe are gendered and we were indoctrinated to oppresse and suppression cause depression, anxiety, confusion, anger and many other negatives because the human cannot fully express what he is meaning strong,emotional.. simply in balance of yin-yang. Balance equals health, just like hormones, testostérone and estrogen need to be in correct balance just moving slightly, if its too extremely imbalanced it makes the body sick. Same goes with the rest. So be male or female but be 100% healthy human that is in tune with his strengths, his emotions and weaknesses, knows how to handle or express them, don't harm other the rest that is outside of you and part of life,survival etc... is up to you to chose what you enjoy,look and feel good in or are good at. Your body as it was born as is perfectly fine and healthy, if you see or feel that it isn't, it is mentally that you need to seek help. You cannot change a broken car by simply changing paint and interior design so it looks cool and fresh, you need to check under the hood too see what makes it not function properly.
But Gender is male of female.
Gender is a scientific term used when scientist are going up or down the biological organizational hierarchy when they're trying to specify their area of study.
For example if you wanted to study ovaries in humans you would go the following:
Mamals--->Hominids--->Humans---->Reproduction--->Gender-----Sex-----Female
To go any other route would introduce things into the sample set that is useless.
Gender isn't a social assignment.
I love that you give a measured approach on these tricky subject without every falling into the trap of appearing to be for or against, just neutral. I think it's were we all need to be
YES. I'm new here, and I love how she presents these subjects
Someone has to get rid of the people who seek to confuse our young. quick.
The word "gender", up until 1955, was synonymous and interchangeable with the word "sex". In 1955, John Money, a so called sexologist, decided to use the word to represent the characteristics of men and women which he says are socially constructed. Feminists in the 1970's adopted this interpretation of the word and now, it is widely accepted as the proper use of the word.
However, when we discuss pronouns, who decided that pronouns refer to a person's gender? Especially considering there was no difference between "sex" and "gender" prior to 1955. Who is it that determined that calling someone "he" or "she" directly refers to one's gender? If we are to accept that gender is somehow different from sex, shouldnt there be some basis for "he" and "she" specifically referring to one's gender? Yet, there isnt.
How come when we refer to animals as "he" or "she", its automatically accepted that we are referring to the animal's biological sex but when we do the same with humans, its now widely accepted in America and other nations that we are referring to a person's gender? How does that make any sense? Are we now "misgendering" our pets? Where exactly does the nonsense end?
Before 1955, If I referred to a woman as "she", there was no question that I was referring to the sex of the individual. Why and how has that changed? Why is it that now when I refer to a biologocal woman as "she", that is automatically accepted as a reference to her gender and not her sex? Who created that rule? If the word "sex" still refers to one's biology then a WOMAN is a SHE and a MAN is a HE. Doesnt this negate the need for gender pronouns under the new age definition of "gender"? When was it concluded that pronouns cant refer to the biologocal sex of the individual? When was the rule created that pronouns have to refer to one's gender?
We are living in a world where not only has a relatively new ideology become hard fact but now rules are being assigned to the ideology that further confuse things unneccesarily.
I will stick to the facts. "Gender" and "sex" were never meant to have different meanings and for the vast majority of human existence, they did not have different meanings. Regarding pronouns, the idea is completely useless. If there can be new age gender pronouns then there can be sex pronouns as well. Explain to me how it is wrong refer to ppl as there biological sex. You can't force false meaning on people. If I say "he" in reference to a man's biological sex, what right does anyone have to call it a gender reference?
Thats if you buy into all that bs. As far as im concerned, the definition gender has never changed. The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth.
The concept of gender, in the modern sense, is a recent invention in human history. The ancient world had no basis of understanding gender as it has been understood in the humanities and social sciences for the past few decades.
This is a great analysis, thank you!
"'Gender' and
'sex' were never meant to have different meanings and for the vast majority of human existence, they did not have different meanings."
The word "gender," prior to the 20th century, was not used as a synonym for sex, but pretty much exclusively referred to grammatical gender.
@@pearspeedruns Source?
Danielle you're an awesome host and writer, thank you for doing these videos.
True!
this video needs to be shown in school... and political meetings 🤪 people STILL don't understand this, i really appreciated this factual reminder of my gender validity :)
Look up the origin of gender dr john money. Learn the actual history of it. They need to teach the full history of without leaving out the disturbing bits. Dr john also believed that som pedophilia was ok. And he experimented on twin boys who later both killed themselves
Yeah, for those who don't think gender is a social construct, just google "17th century male fashion" and tell me those guy's wouldn't look out of place in today's society.
@Vhulrum I think It really is. Your gender is really based around everything society defines as that gender, i think the video explains It amazingly
@Vhulrum did you watch the video? The thing you're born as, the one defined by your biology and chromosomes is your sex, not your gender. Most people have the same sex and gender, but trans people, for example, dont
@Snythic race is also a social construct we all part of the human race.
@@n3v3rm0r3 then why do blacks have malaria resistance but whites don't.
@@redacted5078 Look up John Money and the REAL origin of the word 'gender'.
(Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on either Greco-Roman culture or gender, so don't take my word for this, but I did do some research, and tried to keep my sources reliable, even if I'm too lazy to cite them in this, a UA-cam comment.)
Ancient Greek and Roman cultures also had differences from modern Western culture in their ideas about sex and gender that I think are pretty interesting.
Lots of myths have allusions to the idea of changing gender through supernatural means. One example is Teiresias, a prophet who was said to have spent seven years as a woman (as in, not only was his sex female, his gender was as well). Another example is a common motif of a child being assigned female at birth, then later undergoing a sex change (usually depicted as supernatural, sometimes just unexplained) and living as male. The most well-known of these stories occurs in Ovid's Metamorphoses, in which Iphis, who was assigned female at birth but raised as a boy, was given a male body by a goddess, at which point the poem stops referring to Iphis as female and begins using male pronouns and word endings (the Romans tended to equate sex and gender, but allow for gender changes to be made through sex changes, as opposed to just what one was assigned at birth. I remember hearing about a story in which a character was castrated, and the author immediately started using feminine language, but I don't remember where it was from.)
There was also a lot of stories revolving around characters with both male and female sex characteristics, although their gender was usually not non-binary - the two that come to mind for me are Aphroditus, a male intersex (with a penis, but otherwise female sex characteristics) version of Aphrodite who was worshiped for a time in Athens, and Hermaphroditus, a child of Aphrodite and Hermes who was born a non-intersex male but later merged with a female nymph (generally depicted with, like Aphroditus, a typically female body with a penis), and was associated with marriage because he was a mixture of male and female attributes.
Also, I couldn't figure out where to fit this, but the god Dionysus was also heavily associated with gender-nonconformity - certain legends say that he was raised as a girl, or depict him presenting femininely and acting as a threat to traditional gender roles.
There's definitely a lot more to say about this topic, but this is just the stuff I could think of/verify quickly.
Thank you for this. While this is still a confusing subject for me, I am still learning and understanding the more I watch videos like this.
It's not confusing. Stop believing in god.
@@itsbeyondme5560 I am actually an atheist. Good try though. Just trying to better understand a subject I find difficult.
@@christophertaylor87
I'm an atheist too and it's not confusing, troll
@@itsbeyondme5560 So since we both agree that there is no god/s, perhaps we can also agree that many other atheists do not start out as such, and that learning about anything with which one is not immediately familiar indeed takes time. Self education along with the help and understanding of individuals who do know fosters that learning.
@@itsbeyondme5560 your calling him a troll when you literally where trolling? Yikes
I mean, the idea that a penis and vagina are inverted versions of each other is not too far off. Evolution designed them to be opposites that accommodate physical union with each other, one is a tube of flesh that hangs out while one in a tube of flush the goes in, and both arise from the same proto-tissues early in fetal development. For example, the clitoris and penis glans are literally the same bundle of nerves that develop in different ways based on hormonal signaling.
The women swore about chastity did so to be able to legally inherit property and finances. Gender affirmative care is based solely on a theory of improved mental health and doesn't account for the 88 percent of adolescents that age out of the temporary feelings of feeling like they are legitimately a different gender than they've been assigned with biological sex. Tom boys are becoming obsolete and metrosexuals males are almost unheard of these days. The rates of misdiagnosed gender dysphoria are skyrocketing. Ten years ago detransitions were 2% or less and generally due to cost, today it's up to as high as 12% and increasing. Detransition is equally, if not more harmful for individuals. In addition to needing to explain they've made a mistake after typically being ostracized by a large majority of the population, they are often isolated after a de transitions. 20 years ago in the US, I signed papers with my grandmother stating I was a male (even made a 50 dollar bet). Truth was, I had an excess of testosterone (easily found out by the stretch marks on my shoulder), profound insecurities as a female, mental health issues, bisexual orientation, and even rebellion came into play. I'm very grateful I didn't transition. People who don't understand conditioning, don't understand why bringing up gender options to elementary students, or doctors asking if children match their assigned sex are leading and influencing.. Particularly for children that can't begin to understand gender as a social construct and who are only just noticing biological differences. I don't care how small the trans community is, with 10% of 1.5 million incorrect diagnosis (and increasing) leading to detransition where many options aren't reversible, it's not ok. I'm opposed to puberty blockers. There is zero evidence to suggest transition has a profound difference on trans mental health over all (it was assumed and theoretically started) and an incorrect diagnosis has already taken multiple lives because it didn't "get easier" or they still felt they were in a foreign body. Allowing permanent transition options for anyone under 18 is a mistake and based more on vanity rather than them genuinely believing their mental health won't be as precarious. If it's the narrative you're screaming from the roof tops, I implore you to locate research to support it. Don't look for bias confirming Google pages, but find the scholarly journals and peer reviewed papers. (For the US, not NIH). You can't use a foreign culture to support your argument when gender is based in the subjective cultural norms as it is. If you find those arguments, I would love to read them. Just comment the name, volume and authors and I'll do my best to find it, because after 4 years I've been unable to.
Why do we even keep categorizing things as “femenine” or “masculine”?
Yea it's male and female
Part of it is so that romance languages know how to describe things. Like, chairs are feminine, somehow, according to France.
@@starlightarises7140 lmao, bruh france watcho doin over dere
I guess some things do make sense such as facial razors for men and lotion for women. But most of it is kind of dumb, like how eyelashes are deemed as girlish for some reason although both grow eyelashes.
At this point it seems more about general perception than anything, as in dresses have historically been perceived as "feminine" so people just keep saying that as reference, even if they think gender roles are BS. Just a guess, though.
Male and female genitals are, for the most part, developmentally homologous
True. So Galen was in fact right - in the way that unborn babies start off with an anatomy that resembles female anatomy. Then the Y-Chromosome gets activated in some babies and their development of male anatomy starts. So male genitalia is just female genitalia turned inside out.
That's also what surgeons do when performing a sex reassignment surgery for example on transwomen: They turn the skin of the former penis inside to create a vagina. They just reverse what testosterone did to the transwomen's bodies.
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Personality does not equal gender 🙄
Muddy Skies Not a bigot, I’m a member of the LGBT community who happens to disagree with people. Doesn’t necessarily make me a bigot.
if this is an argument against trans people being seen as valid in their identities, then i would like to point out that few people genuinely believe that masculinity and feminity themselves as traits make someone trans, as there are feminine trans men and masculine trans women. if you mean this simply as it is written, then i agree with you, but think it may be wise to word your statement in a way less similar to rhetoric pushed by transphobes.
nico Yeah I meant it as I wrote it, being trans is definitely not just a figment of people’s imagination, but I think the justification people give for genders existing other than “male” and “female” being about masculinity and femininity is talking about personality, not gender.
that's exactly what gender is though lmao
Yes! Only gender disphoria can qualify if you can change your gender identity. Not if you're a tomboy or a girly guy.
*"Sex is usually linked to biological and physical traits of the body..."*
- It's determined by your chromosomes. XY = Male. XX = Female.
*"There are people who are intersex..."*
- The people you're describing 'intersex' are in reality just suffering from genetic disorders and developmental abnormalities. XXY = Klinfelders Syndrome. XYY = Jacobs syndrome .etc
- These type of genetic defects do not contest the fact sex is binary anymore than people born without legs contest the fact humans as species are bipedal.
*"While sex is considered biological, gender is its more loosely defined cousin"*
- No. Gender is dependent on biological-sex eg. Man = Adult Human Male. Woman = Adult Human Female.
- If you're referring to adults then you can use 'male' and 'man' interchangeably (as many biologists do even in their published works).
*"Gender relates to the performance of roles, identifies and ideas surrounding masculine and feminine or neutral traits"*
- No. Although there are a variety of traits and characteristics associated with Men/Women this does not define gender (See above).
- Additionally many of the traits associated with Men/Woman are the result of known biological-predispositions. (aggression[1], competitiveness[1][3], physical strength[2], pain tolerance[4], sex drive [5].etc)
The rest of the video follows from the creators flawed premise, presuming that all masculine and feminine traits are socially constructed.
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1). Greater Aggression & competitiveness. ref. NCBI: Testosterone and Aggressive Behavior in Man.
2). Greater Upper Body Strength, ref. NCBI: Lassek and Gaulin 2009.
3). NCBI: Broader shoulders enabling efficient weapon user Brues 1959; Tanner 1989
4). Higher pain tolerance, ref. NCBI: Sex differences in pain.
5) Stronger sex drive, ref. NCBI: Male sex drive and the masculinization of the genome.
.etc
I believe that, for intersex children, choosing a gender without the subject's consent should be illegal. And any doctor who does the assignment surgery and turns out to be wrong MUST pay for the correction surgery and any needed drugs.
I understand WHY they want to do it as early as possible, but making the wrong choice will harm the patient more than delaying until the child could say what they are.
Also, I seriously wonder how many trans people are actually intersex-but-assigned-the-wrong-gender people, who never knew that they were born "wrong".
Being inter-sexed (Hermaphrodite) is medically verifiable and is not based on personal feelings or psychiatry. Doctors are also able to identify the functional gender of an intersexed person which is almost always female. some mistakes have happened I'm sure (ask Dr.Money about that mess) but it's not the doctors fault the baby was born that way.
The two replies you got were unfortunately incorrect as they were using the definition of intersex that relies on outward characteristics of genitals... And one used a completely outdated word (hermaphrodite).
There has been many studies conducted that note the higher rates of intersex people within the trans community and the higher rates of trans people in the intersex community. There are biologically significant indicators of being trans which are often hormonal (though there may be no biological indicators). If you consider hormones to be a part of biological sex (which most professionals do) then at what point does a varying hormone level get classification of intersex.
We are essentially talking semantics here of course. People don't fit clearly on an is or isn't intersex scale. Different guidelines draw the lines in different places for different reasons.
We make boxes to help simplify things. When the truth avoids simplicity we must abandon those boxes. The complex science of intersex development could fill a whole library.
@@rosejuliette5965 I'm sorry but you are attempting to turn the condition now known as intersexed into an obfuscated philosophical concept. It is in fact a very specific physical deformity resulting in visible and testable/verifiable primary male AND female sex organ tissues which are present. It isn't about hormones. . . .hormones do not equal gender or trans or inter-sexed. Being interesexed isn't a fluid condition. You either are intersexed or you are not intersexed and it is entirely different than being trans.
@@rustyshields7190 yes it is entirely different from being trans. No it isn't a physical deformity. I'm a healthcare professional. I'm happy to say that I haven't given the full picture but you really don't know what you are talking about. I'm not going to sit and argue about this. If you want to learn about it go study it with an open mind. Otherwise I'll just be putting your nonsense condescending comments on r/iamverysmart where they belong.
@@rosejuliette5965 You obviously arent a medical professional or you wouldnt have said that
Where did you get your shirt? I searched and I can't find that exact design of "pizza rolls not gender roles"!
This is my problem with it. It is purely a reaction against societal “sex roles” or “gender roles”, and now it has spun into a place where it is literally indistinguishable from like some personality quiz.
In German, young women and girls are grammatically neuter. Old English also had three grammatical genders. To add to the confusion, the word for woman (wifman) was grammatically masculine.
5:19 and that is indeed the case. The parts that form the clitoris also form the penis head, the parts that form the ovaries, also form the testis. Let's just focus on sex (and your identity that's linked to it, e.g.: transsexual/transgender), since that's what's important. And let's just assign gender to history, we no longer burn women at the stake for wearing men's clothing (Joan d'Arc), let's allow women to wear pants and men wear skirts - it's better anyway: colder skirts for male testis, warmer pants for women to help protect against urinary tract infections; I've heard this helps. Gender identities are just silly, relics of religion.
I'm non-binary, at least I think it feels right. I sometimes consider myself a woman and/or female because of legal reasons and work-related reasons. I feel as though gender was something created to segregate people. But also those who are rocking it as a woman, or man, you do you!
Good for you!
-Me, a closeted enby
@@JamesGallagher90 ew
@@JamesGallagher90 Can you go educate yourself and learn that gender and sex aren’t the same thing.
@@JamesGallagher90 That’s a lot better response than I expected.
@@JamesGallagher90 I’m not going to read all that.
Pink was a little boy color in the past and blue was for girls, funny to see that things can change this drasticly.
A lot of cultural norms are arbitrary like this, so changes to them are easy, since they do not correspond to anything real, like most things associated with gender rather than sex.
I just find this whole thing divisive and counter-productive, rather like Critical Race Theory. We should be accentuating our similarities, not our differences. I'm not convinced of the benefit to anyone, least of all the minorities involved, in making them "special" . We all sit on a sliding scale of gender, just like we all sit on a sliding scale of pigment in our skin. This is obvious.
The problem comes when you say Group A, between marks on any scale, needs to over-ride social norms, either positively or negatively, because of proven or unproven, current or historical, "Oppressions". They then no longer sit on a sliding scale, but become a tribe, and via either privilege or stigmatism, it is detrimental to social harmony no matter the intention, or justification.
Hello, I'm looking for permission to use a clip of this video in a documentary about gender. Whom should I send an email to? Thank you!
They didn't "become" linked. "Gender" was used as an alternative and often more commonly than "Sex" it's origin is in Latin. It was used frequently instead of "Sex" as "Sex" is also linked to "sexual intercourse" and it's constant usage can lead to some rather awkward conversations at the dinner table. 🤣
Gender was only widely used as a synonym for sex starting in the 20th century. Prior to that it was mostly used to refer to grammatical gender.
@@pearspeedruns If you want to get into the etymology of the word gender, it was borrowed from Anglo-norman french and middle-english "gendre" which was later spelled "gender" in relation to biological sex. The word has been around in the UK for about a thousand years.
John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. I think that's where the confusion may lie.
*pizza rolls not gender roles*
What I don't understand is why we are talking about the supposed female hysteria of the wandering wombs that the greeks thought of and suddenly we see picture of the victorian era. I WAS SO CONFUSED FOR A SECOND. My guess is the editor was just searching for female hysteria and ended up confusing this ancient greek female hysteria concept with the later one during the victorian era. not the same. they are literally centuries apart guys.
That bit about the rural, work oriented communities.. they didn't have slanted gender norms because of anything except for the previously existing slanted gender norm of men taking control. That's why higher educated societies have more balance. Because there's more accountability.
Always remember that you are unique....just like everybody else. But, just because you are unique doesn't mean you are a brand new gender. We are all male or female.
I just discovered this channel, and already think it's underrated.
I feel like you proved that not gender should be a thing everyone needs, but instead it’s something that doesn’t matter, take for example the sections of cultures. They still identified as their sex regardless of there cloths and personality. To me it really shouldn’t matter people can be feminine or masculine and it shouldn’t effect their sex.
*sips tea in non binary*
@s a l m a I asked.
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@s a l m a I don’t even like salmon.
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Great video, i now understand when a person says they are non-binary.
Fun fact Choctaw doesn't have a word for she/he we use a word meaning they/them :)
How do you make a video about the origin of gender without even talking about the origin of gender? You missed the John Money segment
Hey, great video!
A couple of small corrections:
1. In addition to masculine "der" and feminine "die," there's a neuter "das" for gender-neutral nouns. Plural nouns function as a distinct gender with their own set of inflections, so you could consider German as a 4-gender language.
2. "Der Affe" is masculine. Yes, most singular nouns ending in 'e' are feminine, but "affe" happens to be an exception.
Again, great video!
Personaly I think we would be better off as a society if we stepped away from the idea of gender entirety.
I understand that some people use gender to mean personality or way of dress but I don't like this because I feel like it solidifies the ideas in people's minds more.
I know that alot of people just use the terms so that they have a way to refer to themselves and form communities but I wish there was a way to do that without reinforcing old gender ideas.
It gets even worse when that stuff is confused with how being trans works.
I would like it more if similar to they way a women wears pants and is not considered any less of a women a guy could wear a skirt and not be considered any less of a man.
Personally any time I refer to anything concerning gender I alway try to clarify that I mean traditional gender because I don't like thinking of things in a binary, it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's like asking whether a chair is male or female, you can make a weird argument for stereotypical/traditional gender but the chair is not an objective gender because gender is traditional not objective no matter the original cause of the norms.
I just really don't like the gender spectrum charts and the many gender categories in between it makes things too confusing but since there is still a vague concept of gender the best way to deal with things is to only have the traditional concept of gender but not sub divide that into more gender categories that still would amount to doing basically the same thing as gender.
Why do people even need to know what genitals you have when referring to you?
It makes sense when people are taking about social role but if the social roles become more similar it does just start to refer to genitalia and that's just really weird if you think about it.
You're definitely not the only one who sees that gender categorizations are just more adherence to some arbitrary stereotype. I too believe gender would be best forgotten about; ideally we could "perform" our own individual acts (aka personality) without any reference to a label created outside oneself or without restricting oneself to a limited set of behaviors based on one's natural body parts. Male children wear dresses quite often because they enjoy the experience of it, not because they want to BE some abstract concept of a "girl," but because that's just what they like. The more we normalize people acting unconventionally, i.e. stop convincing them they need to choose or stick with a certain established identity (this includes, say, parents pushing their male child to identify themselves differently because they see him behaving in a stereotypically "girly" way and think, "That must be my child's REAL gender!") and stop insinuating that they were born with some wrongness or difference where their brain doesn't match their body (when we decided what behavioral traits "match" which genitals in the first place!), the more this issue of "gender dysphoria," I think, in the future, will dissipate.
*grabs popcorn and soda*
care to share some
@Just_AutumnYT Foooood
That was great. The history of gender has always fascinated me. Its relationship to the formation or codifying of national and class identities as well as racial theories is a particularly interesting field of study. For a british context I highly recommend Linda Colley's Britons
When i think of binary i think of non binary
I live in a rural area, where almost 10 to 15 different unrelated tribes live.
I agree with you about less gender pronouns these tribes use.
We don't have any transgender person here but we have some gay man, a tiny tiny person.
Western modern transgender ideology is too different from tribal gender identity.
Most tribes don't have gender rather than Sex.
Also you sound political rather scientific.
as a nonbinary transmasculine person (1.5 years on t!) i sooooo deeply appreciate this video. Time to give this to all the people who need a really basic crash course in gender
Aby Herrera I feel most comfortable in a masculine body and felt very very very very VERY uncomfortable about my large chest when I hit puberty. However, I don't fully identify as a MAN because I still love feminine things and just.... don't feel comfortable as fully taking on that social role. Physically, though, I like to look as masculine as possible-- but that's only for my body. I feel the most gender-affirmed when I dress that masculine form in feminine clothing. I've also never had a problem with how I look downstairs so.... Y'know. Gender is very complicated and honestly we are putting labels on things that can be a little different for everyone. I admit I'm a little weird, but I'm just doing what makes me the most happy! I haven't regretted it for a second. And that's through surgery recovery and needles every other week. I'm more comfortable with my body than I've ever been in my life. I can finally look in the mirror and feel like the real me is looking back.
Side note: being nonbinary doesn't mean you don't choose. it just means you have a gender identity that doesn't fit within the binary of male or female.
@@Sky-mh1vh thank you ! ❤💖
Aby Herrera. Did you not read what they said. They are happier this way. How in the world do you get to decide what is better for them. You can't tell them they shouldn't have taken t because "you could always change your mind". Well you could also never change it. Basically with your logic you should never make any decision because you could change your mind latter. That isn't how the world works. Also the rest of your statement is even worse. They are trying to be happy with themselves. It doesn't matter who they attract or if they are dad or mom or whatever. They just want to like the body they live in. If someone doesn't love them when they are in that body, then they don't love them. What you are suggesting is that they hide their true self in order to attract people. That is not healthy.
scrunglenut. I have a question. Why can't you identify as a man if you like feminine things? Like a problem I have with part of the gender discussion is that instead of trying to remove gender roles, they reaffirm them and say that you need to change your body to fit with the roles you want. I would rather keep my body the way it is and have people respect me no matter what I do. For example I would still consider someone a man even if they wore a dress or did make-up or did anything traditionally feminine because all of those things don't really mean anything. Although then the problem is that if nothing means anything, then why do they even need to consider themselves a man.
Aby Herrera I hate children and I actually have a girlfriend who happens to love my body and what I'm doing with it as much as I do. One that was my best friend before i transitioned and has seen me through all of it, but only asked me out after i transitioned because i was a happier, more complete person.
I used to dissociate just looking in the mirror and seeing a feminine form, and I can finally face my reflection. If you think that I'm going to regret that later you're utterly mistaken. I was suicidal because of my chest, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't get it off.
Please, next time speak about the man who used word "gender" for humans, and defined it. It would make the picture whole.
Lmao, she'll never bring him up, that would make her look bad.
Just my personal opinion. We are all either born male or female depending on which reproductive parts we are born with. Just because you may not fit the typical ideals of the gender you were born to doesn’t mean anything we are all who we are.
When I was young between the ages 6 to 14 I was convinced that I should have been born a boy. I fought tooth and nail against anything “girly” wouldn’t even ride a girls bike Black and blue were my favorite colors, my mom used to joke that I would wear boys underwear if she would let me. Still she let me be who I wanted to be through all the stages of my life, even when I had a girlfriend. I’m 39 now married to a man and pink, purple and teal are my favorite colors. Now, I like all those “girly” things I use to scorn. I didn’t give in to what society thought I should be. We are all always growing and changing.
This automatically reminds me of the story of David Reimer, who was born male but because of an irreparable operation on his penis the doctors and his parents decided to change his sex with a surgery, because they believed that your gender is just a result of your upbringing.
I believe David Reimer ended up committing suicide, as did his brother, due to his traumatic and deceitful upbringing. The psychologist who promoted it ended up being exposed by his victims as a fraud and a pedophile. Gender theory has come a long way, and now children have a much easier time accessing surgical mutilation and chemical castration, not to mention exposure to pedophiles without having to travel beyond their schools and local libraries. I believe society will soon look back upon these times and ideas with shame and regret.
Thank you so much for this video!! You're so enthusiastic and understandable, I could watch you all day. This topic definitely needs an in-depth series! I'll be waiting for it! ;D
Those 18th-century aristocratic masculine traits included wearing tight, colorful pants, shirts with ruffles. powdered white wigs, and white powder on the face, along with beauty marks. Yes, gender performances change.
Hi, I'm nonbinary. While I know gender is extremely important to many people's ideas about themselves (and about their relationships to other people, as demonstrated in this video!), it's not very important to my idea of myself. In fact, the less I have to think about categorizing myself as masculine or feminine, the more contented I am.
Other nonbinary people I know will enjoy being explicitly both masculine and feminine on purpose. There is a wide range of expression. We're everyone that doesn't want to fit into just one of the "man" or "woman" categories.
We also tend to be against ranking things like gender, race, class, etc. on hierarchies. There's no superior gender, rich people aren't 'better' than poor people, etc.
So when the fear-mongerers say "[nonbinary people et. al.] are going to destroy Western Culture"... Like. We ARE aiming to destroy hierarchies of gender, class, and race. So if you think of those hierarchies AS Western Culture...
RIP ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
_______________What if you're wrong in your beliefs? Can you even see where this will end up, do you even care? Or is it that you are so blinded by your hatred of reality that you think, whatever the outcome of your destruction, the world will be better no matter what it might look like compared to today's world?
"While I know gender is extremely important to many people's ideas about themselves (and about their relationships to other people, as demonstrated in this video!), it's not very important to my idea of myself." - And that's what's important here, right? That YOUR ideas take priority over the rest of the world? What gives you the right to elevate your opinions above everyone else's? What gives you the right to determine what other ppl think and how they act? What if most of the population is actually okay with modern western culture and the direction it takes us naturally, without force? What gives you the right to decide on behalf of everyone else the direction society should go? There's a name for ppl who think this way. It's called being a 'DICTATOR'.
@@shmeet okay spambot
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__________________And of course you give the typical authoritarian/fascist response of outright dismissal and personal insult/name-calling rather than actually taking on my criticisms point by point. You won't engage because you know deep down that what i said rings true. Actual discussion would lead to you being discredited, which would in turn force you to build a new belief system from the rubble of the old. It would mean you wouldn't be the same person you are now ever again. A permanent change in your world view. This can be frightening to entertain. Most of us would rather just remain our familiar self, the one we've always known, the one we're comfortable with. It just feels safer believe that we're right. I know, trust me, i know.
But this attitude is more dangerous than you might think. Letting your old self die is healthy if you seek the truth. It's actually necessary if you want to grow. Don't defend something you know is wrong. Get rid of it while it's not too late. If you don't it will consume you and everyone and everything around you in time. It'll destroy you like cancer. That's my advise to you. Take it or leave it.
@@shmeet wow you're like, really mad, huh
Actually, I would say that male and female genitalia are in fact two sides of the same coin. They are made of the same tissues, even have the same functions- its just that in development, they changed to look different based on that Y chromosome. I’m explaining this horribly, but that’s the gist, idk.
Yeah I kind of predict a dumpster fire of a comment section here the internet being what it is and youtube being the place it is.
Though that being, I want to say this is one of the better vids I've seen in regards to gender and history. While there's some bits I'm a little iffy on, I have to say I love the consistent tone of informing and being open to discussion all your vids have had so far. I'd hope that at least there gets to be some nice info exchange going on and I like that you presented this as just the interesting topic it is.
Surprisingly not as bad as I was expecting. Either Origin of Everything has a *VERY* tolerant audience, or the mods are working overtime on this one.
@@AnonymousFreakYT it's a left wing channel with a left wing audience. What week you expecting, white supremacists and based zoomers?
@@pennyawful861 Kind of - those kind of trolls invade other UA-cam channels' comments threads.
5:00 - this theory is not completely untrue, it's just backwards, because the reality is that during early development of the fetus all fetal genitalia are the same and they are female, so all human embryos start life as females, as do all embryos of mammals. I think this should be the starting point for a talk about gender, because it shows that both men and women share all the traits that are given to us and that the differences in the percentage of this traits in each individuals are just for self-perpetuation of the species trough reproduction, which, for a species at this stage of development as the human, is not a problem anymore. So as long as there are functional genitalia out there that can produce a baby and we keep the birth rate at 2.1 as a species, so we won't go extinct, you can identify yourself as a Corbusier chair with eggplant legs if you want, it's your right and nobody should care. Ooh and my favorite color as a child was blue which now turned into green.
Fan of your energy and the difficult task of explaining difficult subjects in a way that are accessibly but not loosing their complexity. Congrats !
For me, gender is based on biological sex
Show me the "he/him" gene. Show me the "El vs Ella" gene. Show me the makeup gene.
Can you do a video explaining why certain foods are eaten on Thanksgiving? (turkey/ham/stuffing/etc....)
I found your thesis totally surprising. My history has led me to associate sex not with a state of being, but with an act, and gender not with a role, but with a shape.
Being born in the early 1960's, I was pretty much unaware of anything other than "traditional" sex/gender roles except in the abstract (second, or more likely third hand) until several years after I was sexually active. My first two experiences with anything else was being momentarily groped by two different men in two totally different situations. In one case, I was walking in New Orleans' Vieux Carre (French Quarter) and groped by a passerby, the other was someone I knew, in a rather more isolated location across the lake. When I took my second job of more than two months (which I'm still working), I worked with several gay men. This was in the late 80's, before the AIDS epidemic was taken seriously enough. Still, mostly influenced by another of my gay co-workers, I came to recognize sex as an act, and gender as a shape. [I knew homosexual, heterosexual, and bisexual; what other model could I reach at that point?]. Just a few years later, one of my college buddies who I had known as male, but was living a couple hundred miles away went under the knife to change gender. A few years later, I saw a female name on a unix manual page which I knew to be that person [He was very proud of his initials, and she had kept those initials and surname, and the manpage was for a topic in which they had considerable skill]. When she called me on the phone a few years later looking for another person we both knew's phone number, I think I totally surprised her both in recognizing who she had been, and who she was.
I've since had a co-worker shift gender; when I see her, I instantly know her name, and when, for mental exercise, I try to remember her deadname, it takes several minutes. I would never use that name except in a historical context, but I'm the sort of person who wants to remember history, even when it's uncomfortable because forgotten history means forgotten lessons.
Biological sex is define by the gametes, and it's a binary. Citing Judith Butler without challenging her ideas is deceiving.
I love her t-shirt
This was such a helpful guideline for my university course on gender, thanks!
You're being indoctrinated and you don't even know it.
@@pennyawful861 shut up penny 💛
@@pennyawful861 tf does indoctrinated mean 💀
Look up the origin of gender dr john money. Learn the actual history of it. They need to teach the full history of it really without leaving out the disturbing bits
@@pennyawful861 Did even get a damn thing she said
The whole gender/sex things is so freaking weird...in Finland we just have Sukupuoli....wich means both your gender and sex...I think.
so gender its just another word for character
No. Did you watch the video at all?
@@theMoporter yes i did
Yes because people no longer know the difference between "Gender" and "Gender roles/stereotypes." One is a biological fact and the others are evolving social constructs and not "gender"
Gender is a type of social category, that in different cultures has been determined usually at birth, but occasionally at the onset of puberty. Like any social category that's typically dermatologic by someone other than the individual in question, it functions to simplify the way we socialize and educate people by putting everyone into, in our case, one of two boxes, but has the downside of attaching social stigma to individuals who, for any reason, do not fit well in the box assigned to them. It has some similarities with other social categories, like race and class (for example, the melanin content of one's skin has no bearing on whether one enjoys fried chicken, and the wealth of one's parents or slope of one's brow does not predispose anyone to prefer piano music to banjo music, or vice versa).
Gender is a hermetic principle in western magic. I think that's somehow related to gender in romance languages but I'm not sure. I really enjoyed the video. Thanks.
I do not understand the definition of gender, or how gender is different from the combination of personality and societal expectations. It seems strange to me to categorize genders at all. It doesn’t seem like a real or meaningful construct. Am I missing something?
Gender to me is a PG word for Sex, Honestly. Since you know, everything that has to do with Sex is being censor.
That's because people conveniently try to blur the meaning of Gender (biological sex) with gender roles/stereotypes. . . which are behaviors and social norms (but are NOT a gender). . . .see. . . .if you strip the meaning away from words and redefine them to fit a narrative it's easier to program the public to believe anything. . . .like its possible to change your gender (when it isn't) or that gender isn't real (when it is).
@@rustyshields7190 Just like what they did to Socialism, Truth, and Religion ( Truth and Religion are given a different meaning from John Peterson) people just distort it's meaning to fit there narrative. I would add Fascism, but that was long ago. My examples are of the Modern world.
The word gender is too confusing now, we should just get rid of it.