Idea for a video; Ness Training Mode Warmup. IDK if you know IZAW (he makes godly training videos), but he made a video on how he warms up and practices, can you make one for ness specifics? where you talk about common chains or movements you do and how to practice them? both this and the basics video were amazing but one full puttingittogether video would be amazing.
Another idea: Video where you talk about The specific stages of each match and how ness should play them, nuetral, advantage, disadvantage, and edgeguarding/ledgetrapping.
One really fun combo I've been playing around with that works about 0 - 20% (perfect after landing a pk fire with the opponent slightly near the ledge) is grab, downtoss, forward air, sidemagnet and then downair off the ledge for a perfect spike. It can be hard to land against players with a lot of experience against ness-players but when you get all these to connect you get early kills and it's incredibly satisfying. Also with the opponent around 24% to do downair, shorthop downair and then follow up with some lit combos. a third downair is possible since there's alot of players who wont expect you to be that greedy. Another cool thing to do towards people struggling against your pk fire (this one is hard to pull of) but when you land a PK fire near your opponent, you can roll around the opponent and hit them with another pk fire, the second pk will have them pushed towards the first pk fire, it's possible to roll again and hit them trice (preferably with the bat). But if the opponent is good with DI I'd keep it to 2 pk's and hit them with the bat since they get pulled towards you instead of away of you when you use this method. Non of these are completely true but definitely good to have in your repertoire. And of course thanks for an amazing vid, really helpful for my neutral gameplay. Look forward following your journey to become the best ness man. Stay fire.
@@vossboss220 Your opponent can DI out of this combo (the combo is not true). If you find them being on your side (away from the platform) instead of under you, just go for a neutral air or get back to the platform ASAP for stagecontrol. I fail many times but when you land this combo it feels SOO GOOD.
So many people sleep on psi magnet its crazy. I can only imagine how wild it gets in the future meta. Great video man. Also where can i find that onett remix in the intro? It sounds fire
Thank you for making this video, BestNess. I've been looking fore solid information on these techs and this helps a lot. I look forward to any new techs you lab out in the future. Also, if you're looking for more video ideas, I would love to see what your control scheme is for Ness, and also some Ness matchups vs common character/player archetypes.
amazing. i dont even play ness outside of randoms in arenas but the one time i did i just started randomly spamming pk magnet b reverse and it broke my opponent's mind. after watching this video i can confidently say that my pocket ness is schmoovin
man, this is some big brain stuff. uh, I don’t know if this is helpful for any beginners but: you can tilt the L-stick “back” immediately after a PSI Magnet to switch the direction you’re facing. (Yeah, I know it’s basically RAR.)
@@jobliar937 yes, but I'm not sure how viable it actually is in a real match. think of how Ganon can turn around while using Warlock Punch if you immediately hit "back" on the L-Stick after pressing the B button.
Yes I was waiting for this! Last time I searched it nothing was useful but now there’s this, also I was legit just watching bestness play right before this
Bestness you can actually do this tech I found where you double jump and magnet on the same frame and it pushes you upwards a little bit. This is useful out of attacks like the last hit of up air and if you double hit it, you can lead it into a dair. I've found this useful when I play as a cool and useful confirm.
I'm trying to "double jump cancel turnaround" with psi magnet, but I keep "double jump cancel b reverse" instead. Like I want to djc and turn my ness while keeping my momentum. What am I doing wrong?
Hey, please don't be annoyed of me by this question...but Do you think Mii gunner can utilize its version of PSI magnet in the same or similar way? ..I know the aerials are different, but could you give it a try or let me know? Thanks!
I'm falling asleep while watching this after a busy day and my brain thought you were talking about how to have a family to like you if you entered their home by mistake. What does that have to do with PSI Magnet? No clue.
Jýùîčý Bøí I switched my control setup to have the R button be a jump so I short hop with R+Y and it helped a lot. The A+Y shortcut is fine too but I noticed with Ness I used it for fair a lot and since it does it the same every time I’d miss short characters.
Great video! I've been trying to optimize my Ness play but a lot of the time my wave bounces with magnet just aren't reliable. Should I continue to practice them or focus on other ways to move with magnet?
At 3:06 I cannot get the psi magnet to combo into up air on Richter, typically I only get two hits of upair, sometimes I'll get three but they won't be true/counted in the combo counter like his. My inputs are: dash right -> jump immediately while still holding right -> psi magnet immediately -> hold right immediately -> buffer uair
@@Scorpio3002 thanks for the info, I would've kept trying for a long time. Still having a hard time getting the bair to register as true, but I've gotten it a few times so I think that's just practice. Do you happen to know if the combo counter is flawless now or still pretty lacking?
@@ianwilson9961 From what I hear, they appear to have gone a step too far in patching it. It will register a combo as dropped on the opponent's first frame out of hitstun, but most characters don't have frame-1 options for getting out of combos (exceptions being Pokemon Trainer's down-b, Luigi's cyclone, Yoshi's double jump, Snake's grenades, and a couple others). As I understand it, there shouldn't be any more false positives, but there are a lot of combos that will be true on 90% of the cast, but won't be counted as such in training mode. Magnet>upair could be one of them for all I know. To know for certain, you will need to get an enhanced training mode mod through an Arduino or Titan; then you could instruct the AI to airdodge on the first possible frame, and see if it breaks the combo.
can someone tell me what am i doing wrong i try to do the RAR PSI CONFIRM and when the psi hits the opponent it sends him too far that the bair doesn’t connect can anyone help me?
Hey super late, but I think they aren't being sent too far you probably aren't going far enough. Go to slow speed and see the difference in these two inputs Run -> turn around -> jump -> psi magnet Run -> jump -> b reverse side magnet You'll see the latter one maintains momentum more Also when I say reverse psi magnet, I mean diagonal down and away from the direction you're moving/your opponent and psi magnet. If you b-reverse by doing down + B then immediately hit the the opposite side you're moving, your momentum will reverse
El Presidente you just have to be crazy fast going from the jump to the magnet. I have my jump on right trigger and special on x so I can input them as closely times as I want. Having your jump on trigger also lets you aerial with your cstick much more precisely
Using PSI Magnet is very useful for both Lucas and Ness, though they differ a lot. Lucas use the Magnet in front of him, leaving his back unsafe, and the hitbox actually appear when you release B (like parrys would) instead of continuous hitboxes like Ness'. Nevertheless, using PSI Magnet with Lucas still is a good option for stalling, for reversing, absorbing magic projectiles of course and can be used in some combos (although it has a bigger knockback).
How do you psi magnet off the ground like that? Also I believe it your video tutorials would be better with the button input display like zero has in some of his videos. Also check out the “My Smash Corner” channel. He puts a camera on his hands and shows how to put in the proper control inputs for certain tech.
When I use magnet it pushes them too far away, what am I doing wrong Edit it was because I was doing full hop magnet, short hop magnet is pretty strict timing
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Idea for a video; Ness Training Mode Warmup. IDK if you know IZAW (he makes godly training videos), but he made a video on how he warms up and practices, can you make one for ness specifics? where you talk about common chains or movements you do and how to practice them? both this and the basics video were amazing but one full puttingittogether video would be amazing.
please do this
A combo video as well!
this is like crack for me
Straight up cocaine up the nos.e
Lmao what?
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@@M1RACLEWEAVER straight up cocaine to the brain
Another idea: Video where you talk about The specific stages of each match and how ness should play them, nuetral, advantage, disadvantage, and edgeguarding/ledgetrapping.
Would be useful. Stage meta for Ness is super undeveloped, or at least I don't really know it
@@TheVP_SSBU from my experience, he does well on stages that don't have a platform in the CENTER. So like Kalos, PSs, FD, Town and City (ish).
One really fun combo I've been playing around with that works about 0 - 20% (perfect after landing a pk fire with the opponent slightly near the ledge) is grab, downtoss, forward air, sidemagnet and then downair off the ledge for a perfect spike.
It can be hard to land against players with a lot of experience against ness-players but when you get all these to connect you get early kills and it's
incredibly satisfying.
Also with the opponent around 24% to do downair, shorthop downair and then follow up with some lit combos.
a third downair is possible since there's alot of players who wont expect you to be that greedy.
Another cool thing to do towards people struggling against your pk fire (this one is hard to pull of) but when you land a PK fire near your opponent, you can roll around the opponent and hit them with another pk fire, the second pk will have them pushed towards the first pk fire, it's possible to roll again and hit them trice (preferably with the bat). But if the opponent is good with DI I'd keep it to 2 pk's and hit them with the bat since they get pulled towards you instead of away of you when you use this method.
Non of these are completely true but definitely good to have in your repertoire.
And of course thanks for an amazing vid, really helpful for my neutral gameplay.
Look forward following your journey to become the best ness man.
Stay fire.
dude I love that combo but I always mess up the magnet into Dair
@@vossboss220 Your opponent can DI out of this combo (the combo is not true). If you find them being on your side (away from the platform) instead of under you, just go for a neutral air or get back to the platform ASAP for stagecontrol. I fail many times but when you land this combo it feels SOO GOOD.
Hey nice man, thanks for helping out Ness mains!
Best ness has a friggin channel
i learned RAR magnet be4 this video because of your sets, great stuff
Been struggling with that one. I either lose momentum or turn around during manget. Can you tell what the exact inputs are?
Teh Saile When running you do not skid then magnet, you jump after running then turnaround magnet into the back air
Thanks BestNess for your video on PSI Magnet! I got to practice Magnet into Nair.
So many people sleep on psi magnet its crazy. I can only imagine how wild it gets in the future meta. Great video man.
Also where can i find that onett remix in the intro? It sounds fire
MrGearsOfWar22 this aged well
Still aging well
Thank you father BetterNess! Much love!! ❤️
When do you think you'll play awestin again?
Bombastic lmao yes the best ness players
Bernardo Guerra Arthur nah BN and gackt
Thank you for making this video, BestNess. I've been looking fore solid information on these techs and this helps a lot. I look forward to any new techs you lab out in the future. Also, if you're looking for more video ideas, I would love to see what your control scheme is for Ness, and also some Ness matchups vs common character/player archetypes.
thank you
Perfect! Just what I needed. Interested in seeing your control set up if possible!
amazing. i dont even play ness outside of randoms in arenas but the one time i did i just started randomly spamming pk magnet b reverse and it broke my opponent's mind. after watching this video i can confidently say that my pocket ness is schmoovin
man, this is some big brain stuff.
uh, I don’t know if this is helpful for any beginners but: you can tilt the L-stick “back” immediately after a PSI Magnet to switch the direction you’re facing. (Yeah, I know it’s basically RAR.)
wait you can do that mid air? i mean in the middle of the air not neutral air
@@jobliar937 yes, but I'm not sure how viable it actually is in a real match. think of how Ganon can turn around while using Warlock Punch if you immediately hit "back" on the L-Stick after pressing the B button.
What a wonderful explaination of Magnet
Wow...I love Mother and been playing since the beginning and I can't stop playing Ness so I have to lock down his Psi Mag combos to be above the comp
Yes I was waiting for this! Last time I searched it nothing was useful but now there’s this, also I was legit just watching bestness play right before this
3:28 missed the opportunity to say "bair with me"
Hey BN, I liked the video but I wish you would go over the inputs for some of the more advanced magnet tech!
Can for sure do this in future videos. Thx!
Pls post more you are one of my ness idols
nice video buddy
Bestness you can actually do this tech I found where you double jump and magnet on the same frame and it pushes you upwards a little bit. This is useful out of attacks like the last hit of up air and if you double hit it, you can lead it into a dair. I've found this useful when I play as a cool and useful confirm.
This man found the ness meta a year before it became mainstream
I'm trying to "double jump cancel turnaround" with psi magnet, but I keep "double jump cancel b reverse" instead. Like I want to djc and turn my ness while keeping my momentum. What am I doing wrong?
referencing hikasan.. a man of culture I see
dude how the fudge do you consistently reverse short hop magnet it's so hard
Jake Tandy practice
This video was really helpful. Thanks so much!
Thanks so much.... this is incredibly helpful
How do you think ness will do in the future meta?
Well now that we're in the wifi corona virus hell era of smash ness has arguably jumped a few spots on the tier list. Especially bestness.
excellent vid!
I don't even play ness but I still watched thiss
I use it to turn myself around offstage when recovering so I can get back to stage with back air instead of fair
especially efficient with Lucas, since you can also turn around to grab the ledge using the rope snake
And then you can down smash once you get on the ledge and ledge guard without needing to turn.
thanks dude this helps alot
I can head you talk about Ness forever bro
Conclusion.
Fox Shine.
Dark Might but shine kills momentum
I can only imagine how much of a nightmare Ness would be if pk Magnet came on frame 1
@@randomjurassic_goat1107 and was jump cancelable
@@ness7144 oh no
I can get a turnaround magnet off of short hop but my momentum halts and I am unable to combo into bair. What am I doing wrong?
Hey, please don't be annoyed of me by this question...but Do you think Mii gunner can utilize its version of PSI magnet in the same or similar way? ..I know the aerials are different, but could you give it a try or let me know? Thanks!
Sick video man! looking forward to seeing you at the Utah locals!
Dope!
I'm falling asleep while watching this after a busy day and my brain thought you were talking about how to have a family to like you if you entered their home by mistake. What does that have to do with PSI Magnet? No clue.
Weird
Im exactly the 700th subscriber lets get it🤩🤩
Hello Best Ness. Loving this content. Could you consider doing an in depth guide on Ness's edge guarding and ledge trapping game?
BestNess what is your button layout for ness?
YASSSSSSSSS THANK YOU
Audio sound way crisper than last video gg
What about wave shine
I wish you could do short hop special moves like with tbe aerials im not that good at regular short hops
Jýùîčý Bøí I switched my control setup to have the R button be a jump so I short hop with R+Y and it helped a lot. The A+Y shortcut is fine too but I noticed with Ness I used it for fair a lot and since it does it the same every time I’d miss short characters.
A movement vid for ness would be sick!
900th sub, good vid & loved watching u in tgc returns back in jan. (:
Do a matchup chart for ness
Great video! I've been trying to optimize my Ness play but a lot of the time my wave bounces with magnet just aren't reliable. Should I continue to practice them or focus on other ways to move with magnet?
At 3:06 I cannot get the psi magnet to combo into up air on Richter, typically I only get two hits of upair, sometimes I'll get three but they won't be true/counted in the combo counter like his.
My inputs are:
dash right -> jump immediately while still holding right -> psi magnet immediately -> hold right immediately -> buffer uair
This video was made before they patched the combo counter. Magnet>upair was never true, and the combo counter reflects that now.
@@Scorpio3002 thanks for the info, I would've kept trying for a long time. Still having a hard time getting the bair to register as true, but I've gotten it a few times so I think that's just practice. Do you happen to know if the combo counter is flawless now or still pretty lacking?
@@ianwilson9961 From what I hear, they appear to have gone a step too far in patching it. It will register a combo as dropped on the opponent's first frame out of hitstun, but most characters don't have frame-1 options for getting out of combos (exceptions being Pokemon Trainer's down-b, Luigi's cyclone, Yoshi's double jump, Snake's grenades, and a couple others). As I understand it, there shouldn't be any more false positives, but there are a lot of combos that will be true on 90% of the cast, but won't be counted as such in training mode. Magnet>upair could be one of them for all I know. To know for certain, you will need to get an enhanced training mode mod through an Arduino or Titan; then you could instruct the AI to airdodge on the first possible frame, and see if it breaks the combo.
@@Scorpio3002 that's good to know thanks. I guess I won't rely on it too much.
Will you continue to make more videos in the future and do you have a twich? Love you’re content!
can someone tell me what am i doing wrong i try to do the RAR PSI CONFIRM and when the psi hits the opponent it sends him too far that the bair doesn’t connect can anyone help me?
Hey super late, but I think they aren't being sent too far you probably aren't going far enough. Go to slow speed and see the difference in these two inputs
Run -> turn around -> jump -> psi magnet
Run -> jump -> b reverse side magnet
You'll see the latter one maintains momentum more
Also when I say reverse psi magnet, I mean diagonal down and away from the direction you're moving/your opponent and psi magnet. If you b-reverse by doing down + B then immediately hit the the opposite side you're moving, your momentum will reverse
maybe a gamecube controller setup?
3:03 "magnet into forward air push-em-off-stage" true combo
Video on ness’ good and bad stages?
You’re op thank you
At 2:15 my vertical momentum continues from the double jump when I magnet, how are you cancelling it?
Figured it out
@@mrsamot4677 how lil
El Presidente you just have to be crazy fast going from the jump to the magnet. I have my jump on right trigger and special on x so I can input them as closely times as I want. Having your jump on trigger also lets you aerial with your cstick much more precisely
Idk if you’ll see this but what’s your intro song?
If it helps you find the song, it appears to be a hip hop remix of the Onett Theme
What control scheme do yo use?
L Jump and Tilt Stick
I play lucas, do these tips work with him?
Using PSI Magnet is very useful for both Lucas and Ness, though they differ a lot. Lucas use the Magnet in front of him, leaving his back unsafe, and the hitbox actually appear when you release B (like parrys would) instead of continuous hitboxes like Ness'.
Nevertheless, using PSI Magnet with Lucas still is a good option for stalling, for reversing, absorbing magic projectiles of course and can be used in some combos (although it has a bigger knockback).
How do you psi magnet off the ground like that? Also I believe it your video tutorials would be better with the button input display like zero has in some of his videos. Also check out the “My Smash Corner” channel. He puts a camera on his hands and shows how to put in the proper control inputs for certain tech.
This tutorial needs to show how you are actually doing this. Like what control setup you’re using and how to actually perform this
What controller style do you use? Like do you use claw or standard grip?
Is there a reason to use RAR magnet into backair instead of B-reverse magnet into backair?
When I use magnet it pushes them too far away, what am I doing wrong
Edit it was because I was doing full hop magnet, short hop magnet is pretty strict timing
Guys quick question, do you change your controls settings? Bc I cant magnet (down+b) and then nair or smtg else it’s pretty difficult
I'm saving My pk fire
for another youtube channel
cuz' I love Ness
reverse arial rush into back air. run up -short hop- b reverse down b- back air
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