Bulleid's bizarre turf-powered train - CIÉ CC1
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In today's video, we take a look at one of the more unusual locomotives built by Oliver Bulleid, a steam engine powered by dirt
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If I had a nickel for every time Bulleid designed an articulated, double-ended steam engine that looked more like a diesel, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's interesting that it happened twice.
Every railway enthusiast knows about this engine. No-one ever calls it a "mud" engine.
Bulleid had some great ideas, and then he went and ruined them with excessively complicated designs and a weird obsession with chains.
The diesel-like look of experimental steam engines is a recurring form factor. Most steam turbine locos looks diesel-ish, and there's even the twin Franco-Crosti belgian articulated mammoth that looked like a diesel.
This channel is reaching absurd levels, its getting uncomfortable on how TOT is able to keep finding information about railways during the last 230+ years
_tá sé ag screadaíl go mall faoina smaointe maidir le hábhar don todhchaí_
@@True_NOONkeep up the Irish 👍
bro has some connections
Its his job + passion
I could never imagine a mud powered train eve-
damn
Brown coal is just turf after many more tens of thousands of years
damn
damn
damn
Some railways did have significant numbers of exclusively turf/peat-burning locomotives before the 1930s, for example the royal bavarian state railways, which had a significant fleet from the mid-1800s up until the early 1900s. Examples of such locomotives include the series B VI, or the Oldenburg railways class G
Sweden had some too
Have any German Railways tried lignite as Germany has substantial deposits?
@@Isochest Probably, i would be surprised if not.
This is why I love this channel. Not just because of the streams but also that if I may have never been recommended this channel, I would have never found out about this unique railway facts!
Definitely an interesting footnote oddity in the world of railroad engineering.
Btw I like the video but your background music choice was distracting. It felt like it was trying to talk over what you were saying. Just thought I would mention it I don't knownid anyone else thought the same thing.
This locomotive was a follow on from Bulleid's failed Leader locomotive from the 1940s. Of the three Leaders built only one was ever completed and actually ran. It not only suffered from firebox and valve failure, but was hell for the fireman who was in a small badly ventilated central compartment.
Took me a while to realize someone was speaking in the background music. Though I was going insane.
That's one interesting engine
What's with the background voices behind the voicover?
Wow, I have never thought such a bizarre thing! 😲
Oliver Bulleid and his inventions have appeared many times on your channel: The Double Decker Train, The Leader and the Q1. Clearly the man was full of ideas, even if nto all of them worked.
I can never resist calling it “the turd burner”.
We already knew that diesel and electric trains were 'better' in many ways in the 20s and 30s. In The Netherlands they started to replace steam locos on the busiest trainlines with diesel engines as early as 1934. Many electric trains entered service in 1936 and 1940, large diesellocos entered service in the early 50s. There was enough knowlegde to build good diesel and electrics in the early 50s so this peat engine seemed doomed from the start
A book I have on the Bulleid Pacifics mentioned and even provided a picture of the CC1 and I found it very interesting. 6:09 I agree there and I will go further to say I'd love to get a model of the CC1.
I would love a full sized working replica
I Like The Steam Engines Thay Are Amazing
mud as fuel, paper as wheels, what other crazy crap has been done to trains in the past??
The Northern Pacific R.R. in the USA fueled its locomotives with lignite, or "brown coal," which wss plentiful near its tracks. The big issue was that lignite lacks the heat content of good "steam coal," which is harder bituminous coal. Lignite is much closer to bituminous than peat, but its the same basic issue.
I swear if there was a engine that was powered by metal instead of coal, I’m going to cry
I never heard of this loco before, and what a slick awesome American-looking design it had! Unlike that fugly disaster that was the SR Leader.
I agree - shame it was scrapped!
The Germans and Americans,have some similar problems with Lignite coal,as it is relatively low caloric value,and needs an extremely large grate,but the Northern Pacific had many locomotives fired with lignite! Add also the engines fired with anthracite,that is/was an entire chapter unto itself! Thank you for your attention ☺️! Thank you!! 😇 !
>pulls things
>consumes grass, moss, & other terrain
It’s just a horse lmao.
Bullied was a amazing designer and had some of the best ideas. Prove me wrong
I can not imagine cleaning the boiler of that unit, all that unburnt plant material and chared dirt.
The Soviets burned peat in some power plants, as they had huge reserves of it. How good they were, I don't know, but they were surely better than nothing
liked the music in this one
So basically Bullied Leader but runs on turf
I knew it was talking about bog peat.
Anyone know the music in the background
"If the design had come a couple decades earlier" was it even POSSIBLE a couple decades earlier? This design seems to be less of a timing issue and more of an issue of Bulleid nursing his pet technologies decades outside their usefulness. I think every one of his locos I've heard about has the statement "and then the chain valves were removed and the firebox was reconverted" somewhere in the summary.
Burning peat is very bad because peat absorbs lots of co2
They could always turn into a stationary steam power plant for electrification!..
I can’t believe history literally repeated itself over here in Ireland.
hi
God I wish Ireland could still produce a fleet of turf-burning machines. It would be a huge boon for train's rights on the island.
And here I was expecting a story about a train able to run on coal dust and crude oil!!! 🤠👍
ik this doesn't have anything to do with trains but, didn't the soviets make a tractor fueled by piss?
so if turf slowly becomes fossil fuel. why not engineer a way to speed up the fossilisation of said turf to turn it into petrol or coal?
Mud isn't the same thing as peat or turf...
Peat isn't mud.
Technically Pete canbe classified as super brown coal.
*peat
You are wrong to call peat turf and very wrong to call peat mud. It
Turf is what peat is called in Ireland. It was an Irish loco, so he's entirely correct on that. Agree on the mud part though
Thanks for clarifying.@@donnachaphelan8397
If they had jk Rowling back then that steam engine would be more powerful then a big boy
When someone should stayed retired
What is it with Bulleid and building absurd diesel-shaped steam engines
My Tesla fluidic rectifier jet engine for motorway induced lift hovercraft was better.
Bulleid was the last of the great engineers. Never afraid to think outside the box, but not always successfully.
better to fail than to not try at all
@@caboose9843 Exactly, he moved technology forward.
Oliver bullied was a mad man and a genius
Yup
No. He was very clever and an experimentalist.
Breathnaigh suas 4DD 😂
@@True_NOON Agus?
He was a New Zealander...says it all.
I was initally confused at seeing the "turf", as in Australia, "turf" refers to rolls of grass (natural or synthetic) that people buy to re-lawn their gardens. I was reassured when it was explained to also be called "peat", as I know the substance by that name, and was aware of Bulleid's peat-powered Irish engine, but it was nice to learn more about it.
Turf also refers to sod in the US, or artificial turf.
Yeah, the Irish call cut peat "turf".
A very fair summary of an ingenious idea. The problem with turf/peat is its low calorific value and high water content compared to coal, thus needing a large grate area and strong draught to give reasonable combustion. It made sense for Ireland to try it as they had little indigenous coal or spare dollars to pay for oil. The engine was more successful than the Leader and the use of a conventional firebox with water spaces rather than firebricks, and normal piston valves rather than sleeve valves, must have helped this. Perhaps a conventional rod drive rather than a chain drive would have improved things further. But as dieselisation took hold (despite major teething troubles) it is a much more efficient way of burning oil than in a steam engine. Incidentally, unrebuilt Bulleid Pacifics with chain gear and oil baths now reportedly perform well with modern seals which have overcome the oil leakage problem.
One other problem with peat is that as it dries out, the burning strands of turf can be caught in the draught and swept out of the chimney, hence the lineside fires and need for spark arresters.
Seeing how in some countries, people use dried dung to burn fuel, I can imagine that this would’ve worked if it had come to fruition in a place with little or no coal reserves. (Come to think of it, given how well it burns I bet Buffalo dung could’ve been used once or twice in the old west for American railroads.)
Peat you say? There's a little museum here in the Netherlands which is completely focused on Peat. 'Veenpark' is what it's called. And, we DO have some engines here that actually run on Peat!
Still in steam, or museum pieces?
@@bobolobocus333Last time I went they were still using them though it's been a while. I don't believe they have any plans of retiring them though... I think they have 2? I... honestly forgot...
At Christmas, they use a darker variety called Zwarte peat.
@@bingbong7316 Ga in de hoek staan!
Not far from there, in the peatlands of Germany, there were power stations burning peat. They may still exist, as they may, indeed in Ireland. It may have been a better idea to electify the railways using peat as the primary source.
This was certainly interesting! By the way, some claim Egyptian railways were known to burn mummies (from mass gravesites) while I've read that on one occasion, an American engineer and fireman stuck with a tender-full of badly burning slag stopped the engine, picked up a bunch of old tires, and jammed those into the firebox, where they burned beautifully, albeit leaving the grate covered in metal rods and melted rubber, which didn't go down well.
While on topic of alternate fuel sources, I do recall one that surprised me (I don't know if you're ready for this one). The benefits of this alternate source happens to be: Cheaper, efficient, safe disposal of, less environmental pollution, and is sustainable & renewable. And it was none other than...animal dry dung...yes, basically dried up poop.
Can't say I know any engines that were powered by dung (I doubt that there were any), but I know a steamship that was powered by llama dung until 1914.
Someone told me the gases may damage the boiler (nitric acid IIRC).
Do only I hear some noises/speaking in background of this clip? Something like a radio noises or some walkie talkie speaking? I'm confused o_o Just listen on a headphones
The background noise (voices) in the audio was really distracting... Otherwise I enjoyed the video.
Such a neat looking engine!
Maybe its just a me problem but the BG music was doing my head in. The low volume made it sound like muttering in the background.
Other than that, great video as usual 👍
Steampower on turf wasn't a thing unheard of. I grew up near what used to be the biggest textile factory in the former Russian Empire, and it was entirely turf- powered up until at least mid XX century. There's no coal in the Central Russian Plain, but large forested bogs stretching many dozens of kilometres - so called Meschera. When the factory was still steam-powered, it had a dedicated narrow gauge railway to deliver turf from the pits some 20km away. Me and my dad once travelled the still existing trail. What were the trains of the railroad powered by - that, unfortunately, is beyond my knowledge.
You forgot a very important use of peat: Making whisky! OK, so peated whiskies are more of a Scottish thing, but some Irish whiskies do/did use peat in the distillation process.
I had wrongly assumed CC1 was a complete failure like Leader, but it's interesting to know it showed some promise. Great video!
Connemara whiskey is peated
Interesting 🤔. I never thought of a mud-powered locomotive (or turf-powered I should say).
Was this thought possible because stationary boilers were available with similar technology?
Sorry to have to say this but, the background music caused some garbling with your voice. On the topic, I swear sometimes I don't believe these stories are true. I never would have thought peat could produce enough heat, nor have a small enough volume to be useful in locomotive.
Aye we use turf for everything tho its not used as much to keep are bogs intact so we are fasing out turf as it is a major fossil fuel here and hence is helping climate change😐
In the UK at least the words turf and peat mean very different things, turf being grass that has a layer of soil attached.
Am I the only one who hears someone very quiet in the background?
Can you try make a video about biofuel engines?
I was wondering could you make a video about Steam Turbine trains because I saw a image of it and it kinda reminds of Thomas and the Jet Engine but anyways can you make a video about it that would be nice
I went to the same primary school that Oliver Bullied went to (in NZ). I was there 1957-60.
Someone's probably tried firing a engine with dried cow crap
0:13 a pic from my local heritage railway :D
I suppose Rev. Awdry didn’t know about this, or we might have had Pete the Tank Engine! 😆
I wonder how one can determine where you can get peat in their swamp area. Do they form in ALL Marshy and swampy lands?
Drain the swamp first.
My prayers have been answered
Turf is not mud.
I've always loved this one. I received some railroad reference books from my mother on Christmas over 20 years ago. This one caught my eye.
So that how that weird Irish engine I saw in images came to be
please do a video on
the porters steam loco
the cook mogul
the Japanese class d51 nick name hero of the railways.
one talking about the different types of steam funnles and there uses,
the different types of cut offs/reversers/Johnson bar
some are a big lever, some are a big valve wheel, and ive also seen some that are like rods, one exsample is train sim world 3 and im not sure where to find the other reverser but a video on the different models of these and different whisle models would be nice
I would've payed good money to persevered the CC1
Same
Dude you've got to do a ridiculous trains collab with History In The Dark, also keep up the good work and cheers from Cleveland Ohio USA
I'm still in the process of finishing the video. Love the information, only I would just add a foot note or two mentioning the German Railways prior to the turn of the century, had turf/peat burning locomotives.
One of the three Andrew Barclay peat burning locos was bought by the Talyllyn Railway and eventually rebuilt as a coal burning 0-4-2T, now their No 7 "Tom Rolt".
Now that's some muddled up design
i was going absolutely mad with that voice i heard in the background when i watched the video. and then it turned out to be the music. Anyways, Fascinating to learn about this experimental design. i wounder if it could get a resurgence for heritage railways for alternative coal fuel?
Interesting point, the snag being its low calorific value and high water content which requires a big firebox and different draughting. So most preserved locomotives would need a huge retrofit. That was why Bulleid's first engine No. 356 was pretty unsuccessful. One wonders if some peat briquettes mixed with coal dust and oil could be partly fired alongside coal. The other problem though is that as it dries out, the burning strands of turf can be caught in the draught and swept out of the chimney, hence the lineside fires and need for spark arresters.
@@iankemp1131 true yes. I don't expect it to catch on as a main source of fuel on locomotive, unless it was to be remade with burning turf in mind. but it could be a good fuel for warming it up at the start of the day, or maybe as something you mix with regular coal to get more out of it. Though i see the downsides and expect no-one to actually use this. But who knows
@@Odinnyb13 Yes, interesting ideas, lighting up sounds worth thinking about. I'm not sure what they use at the moment. Remembering my days with home bonfires, it you tried to burn wet plants or wood on a cool fire it tended to produce loads of smoke and not much heat, so that might be a barrier. Whereas a really hot bonfire would incinerate anything!
Do you think we can refine this design for the modern era?
I remember going to the railway museum in Dublin where they had a model of this and think what the hell is that.
Must have been the Fry model railway
A locomotive that burns peat for fuel?!
*WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVE FUEL IS NEXT?! BREAD?!*
Steam power was never fully developed to maximise its full potential. Industries are mostly about profits. Efficiency of different designs isn't always profitable. For manufacturers to produce in large quantities. There never is any marketing strategy behind those products. Because it's out of Focus in the Future.
Since youve gone from Bulleid's Q1's to his Leader to now with his CC1. What's next? His Pacifics?
It looks like it goes backwards to me. Never heard of these engines. Thanks for doing these interesting videos on history of trains.
oliver bulleid: builds one of the most effective austerity engine Q1, then builds one of the best all round engines bullied pacifics, preoceeds to build the worst seam locomotive in britain leader, leaves BR. builds one of irelands best steam locos. dies
The problem was Ireland’s best steam locomotives were the Irish designed and mainly British built coal fired locomotives
Fantastic story that most people did not know. please keep looking for the unusual.
It is criminal that the CC1 was not saved
I am pretty sure that 'Tom Rolt' of TR Fame was one of the original andrew barclay narrow gauge turf burner locomotive
What’s the music in the background? It sounds like the neverhood
I found this channel by complet coincidence and i swear you sound exactly like the spiffing brit.
Just think, a train that could run on the burning corpse of JK Rowling! Amazing
bro the engine literally a Sideways Harmonica lol
They should have filled the boiler with wort and collected the exhaust in whiskey bottles
Fascinating considering I heat my house using turf
Very very nice
In order to run this train you must bring me . . . A SHRUBBERY