Not a jeep guy, never have, been never will. But when i was stuck in the snow a few years back it was a jeep that finally pulled me out. He was even able to pull me out at a terrible angle. Lockers, short wheels base, great approach angles, are what make jeeps so good.
@@IMGreg..The OEM tires that come on the Chevy Colorado ZR2 (DuraTrac) and Jeep Gladiator Rubicon (Falken Wildpeak A/T3W) don't seem to be loud...at least I don't notice that being so on my Gladiator. -- BR
A Jeep can't get good reliability and safety ratings or genuine customer care/responsibility from a corporate level, but it can get respectable fuel economy for what it's intended build and purpose is, take you where you need to go, and bring many smiles, laughs and memories. Great video and thank you for sharing.
GMC Truck and that's why I drive a '97 TJ with the good old 242 Amc Straight six with an AX-15 5 speed manual transmission. She is a true Jeep. TJs were the last true jeeps to be made
BIGRICKHBCYCLE, they might be fun on dry roads but in deep snow, both are worthless. It does not seem like there were 22" of snow and both got stuck even with chains.
The Toyota is mine. Thanks for the kudos. I once owned a Jeep and have a lot of experience off-road. It is quite fun in something that I really have to pay attention to. A locked Jeep almost became boring.
fresh snow is ok, its when the snow finally settles, and high centering becomes an issue. looks just like home life for me and the rest on the mountain...thx for the video.
The new Fiat Cherokee Trailhawk has a rear differential lock and does great off road (I know it's not a Wrangle Rubicon). That being said an old XJ can out perform the KL in many (not all) circumstances without diff lock.
I'm driving a G wagon with 3 lockers and I have seen struggle other cars with big offroad tires and stuff where I had no problems with normal winter-tires (not only in snow - also on steep bumpy hills...). Lockers make a big difference when the terrain becomes tougher ;-).
But back in the day before lockers and when limited slip was just a scratch in someones pants at Jeep (sometime in the late 70's I think, even though LS was around in the early 30's from Porsche) , it took skill to drive a 4x4. Now, it's just point and push on the gas. Again, that's not "the real thing". ;-) As far as the gun issue, , "real" hunters say anything other then black powder isn't "real" hunting. :-0
The one thing I have learned in my years of doing this stuff -- don't try to be a bad ass, don't be too proud, save time and unnecessary wear on the vehicle by STARTING off your adventure with the snow chains ON.
Snow driving is about four main factors... 1) Tires.... If the tires don't work, it doesn't matter what vehicle you're driving... 2) Axles. Lockers work well, but you can't turn easily with the front locked. Jeep's Brake Lock Differentials combined with a Trac-Loc rear axle works nearly as well as lockers in a straight line, but better than lockers on winding trails. 3) Ground clearance. The less being dragged through the snow, the better. I've pushed through 24-28 inches of snow for six miles without great drama in my Wrangler. I run Treadwright Kedge Grip tires in winter. Best snow tires on earth. 4) Technique. It really helps to have experience driving in deep snow.
Corey Jordan ever heard of air or detroit lockers? Even a Detroit locker would be better than the posi as it locks when power is applied so for road driving in 2wd you won't have any issues.
Corey Jordan Excellent point about the different tech in the jeep Rubicon axles. Before you brought that up i was wondering if the tundra driver had it in low range, because if he did... that was a big mistake. Anyone who has done any off roading knows that low range is almost never a good choice. What trans was in each, I'll take a manual everytime.
Looks like the wrangler had more aggressive tires. Many factors come into play with traction: tread pattern and depth, tire size, air pressure and wheel base. of course locking diffs and clearance make a huge difference, but airing down gains tons of traction and it's free.
Recall many years ago my cj5 dropped in a plowed over deep shoulder on a logging road,had to get pulled out by a 2 wheel drive chevy pickup with chains driven by a local logger,talk about eating humble pie.
I have a Rubicon for one reason. LOCKERS, front and rear. You notice the first time the Toyota got stuck, all four wheels where not spinning at the same time. Because it has open diffs, or as some off-roaders call it, 2 wheel drive. One front wheel pulling and one rear wheel pushing.
I've done that here in Utah as well. I chained up all 4 tires and went up high in the Ashley National Forest hunting cow elk. Amazing how much of a difference chains make. Good video
I used to do that in northern Minnesota with various types of vehicles including a 73 VW Bus, a 85 Trooper and a Tundra. I learned the hard way to put chains on all four tires (if it had 4 WD) BEFORE I’m stuck. After that it was a breeze driving in deep snow, then my only worry was getting hung up in packed down snow. For that I always carried two grain shovels (one for my buddy).
I love how everyone owns a "badass unbeatable Subaru" yet they are watching a video clearly tagged with jeep in it.....envious maybe? Looks like yall had a blast. enjoyed watching it
What are you talking about, its over half the tire at many points and there 35's at least do the math, its far from 5 inches. Thats not easy getting through that much snow, even a few inches in the wrong conditions can be impossible
I have taken my aging TJ through snow very close to one meter deep. However, I have heavily modified my beauty. Little cab, stop her. Though it makes her a bit of a beast to daily drive her, it is, worth it where I reside. The winters and springs here are brutal. I got tired of missing work, being marooned at home and not having electricity. My believed TJ also doubles as a 4 kilowatt power station.
I have another idea for something to manufacture: wheels for off roading with brackets built into the wheels so that a claw type traction device can be quickly attached when the vehicle gets stuck.
Pretty easy to tell that the Tundra did NOT have lockers. They’re limited slip differential stock and it showed when the front right tire was spinning and the left one wasn’t moving. I’m pretty sure Rubicon has stock lockers.
Best part of this video is at 2:50 where the Jeep Rubicon drives without chains, through fresh snow, past a chained up Toyota Tundra. Don't get me wrong, Toyotas are great vehicles, but there's no comparing an open diff vehicle to one with lockers. Jeep Rubicon FTW!
Well here ya go been driving 4x4 for over 30 years and I have has both the Jeep has lockers only reason it could go with out chains I can tell you with 100% jeeps are fun but they are cheep built now the tundra is one of the best trucks you can buy hands down I have owned 5 jeep 22 Toyota trucks one tundra and I am going to get a new one as soon as it hits 500000 miles
on word to make all of this easier - Tires. I have driven in 2 feet of snow in my expedition in 4-LOW with nice beefy tires - cranked right up it slow and steady..
I did this in my 4Runner in McCall Idaho one winter. 3" lift on it and 4x4 and it cruised through, no chains or anything. Can't beat a 4Runner for this kind of fun.
Well you can beat a 4Runner, it's called a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon model with straight axles, front and rear lockers, low gears, etc all from the factory. I know as I currently own a 4Runner and Jeep Rubicon. I have owned 2 Jeeps, CJ7 and now Wrangler and 3 Toyotas, 1985 pickup ( loved that truck), Tacoma and now a 4Runner. If all vehicles are stock the Jeep Rubicon (which I have taken over the Rubicon trail) wheels the best. Now as far as build quality and reliability nothing beats Toyota. That's why my daily driver is a 4 Runner.
fastdude2002 I rented a Rubicon, lifted, locked, giant meaty ass off road tires, it did every bit as good as a FJ 40 ( 1970) that I once owned, great ridin vehicle those Rubicons!
When we first got a 4WD vehicle in 1982, I had a rule for myself: Go only where you can go in 2WD and then, if you can't extricate yourself using 2WD, use 4WD to get back home. Our Trooper had a manual transmission so I found that there were many times when 2WD would have been adequate but I wanted to go slower on some very rough primitive unimproved roads than I could go in 1st gear high range. So I used low range and my "rule" went out the window. I would still suggest that rule, however, for someone who has a 4WD vehicle with an automatic transmission. We currently have two vehicles: a 1997 Dodge pickup with an automatic transmission and 4WD and a 2010 Jeep Patriot with an automatic transmission (CVT) and what Jeep calls, "Freedom Drive I". In the Dodge, I can drive as slow as I want in 2WD and then use 4WD to get home if 2WD isn't adequate for where I wanted to go. In the Patriot, I can go as slow as I want in AWD and then use the LOCK mode to get home if AWD isn't adequate for where I wanted to go. If money were no object, I might consider buying a Wrangler with a manual transmission and then converting the transfer case to a "twin stick" system that allows for operation in 2WD low range. Unfortunately, that is just a fantasy. Back in the 1980s, an Isusu Trooper owner took a friend up into the mountains in Utah. At one point, the friend expressed amazement at where the Trooper was able to go on a steep primitive unimproved road. The Trooper owner responded, "Yes, it is quite capable--and we aren't even in 4WD yet!"
Still can't get past the IFS on the Toyota. Can't beat straight axles for real, hardcore wheeling. That's why you mostly see Jeeps or other old school vehicles like scouts, first gen Broncos, etc on trails like the Rubicon trail or Moab. IFS works great on the street or open desert but that's about it. Not near enough wheel travel Or durability..
I watched a Jeep Commando climb an extremely steep slope once without spinning only to find out it only had a six in it and was an automatic with crappy tires. Lots of respect for Jeeps. Too bad they quit making trucks.
Great video! We don't get much of the white stuff to play in down here in FL, except for some great sandy jeep trails in national forest land. I like the footage of the snow being thrown off the wheels of the Toyota... Pretty neat! :-) BTW, the music was fine... ;-)
The most awesome car in the snow is a Mistsubishi Evolution. I got caught in snow so deep you could barely tell where the road was and the car never even bogged down
@@02hreblue30 nice to have, but not really necessary. In some cases, lockers are detrimental. Selectable lockers are better than spools and automatic lockers.
@@KC9UDX semantics. Only people without the option say its no big deal. Jeep has it, Ford stepping up the game, and Powerwagon, as well now as the ZR2. Should at least be an option on any serious 4x4. Tyres? Must not be American
@@02hreblue30 drive lengthwise on a slippery hill with lockers that you can't turn off and you'll see that I mean. Open differentials aren't just for those who can't afford lockers. I just bought an axle with a locker and I'm probably going to remove it.
Willing to bet the bed of the Toyota tundra was empty. Big factor in the snow because not enough weight or rear tires. Need a good 200 lbs or so of sandbags in there
A Rubicon with f&r locking diffs vs a tundra? No comparison. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a Rubicon or a Colorado ZR2 because of the locking diffs.
@@02hreblue30 First vehicle was a standard, and I ride MX so I need that clutch. I gotta have the RPM's where I want em and it to shift when I want. I like my current truck which is an auto but it shifts at odd times once in a while. Some people like auto's and some like a stick, whatever makes floats ur boat. But driving around with a broken collar bone woulda definitely been easier at 17 with an auto lol.
Not a jeep guy, never have, been never will. But when i was stuck in the snow a few years back it was a jeep that finally pulled me out. He was even able to pull me out at a terrible angle. Lockers, short wheels base, great approach angles, are what make jeeps so good.
Guess you like little ricers?
@@OverlandTT No. Jeeps fun they are just old tech and the price is a ripoff and too small
Tires are the name of the Snow game my friends,Cool trail.
Huge fan of the looks of Rubicon jeeps!
Correct tires makes all the difference. In all types of weather.
All terrain tires would do the trick but they sound like hell on the roads.
@@IMGreg..The OEM tires that come on the Chevy Colorado ZR2 (DuraTrac) and Jeep Gladiator Rubicon (Falken Wildpeak A/T3W) don't seem to be loud...at least I don't notice that being so on my Gladiator.
-- BR
@@IMGreg.. I was running BFG AT2 tires on the Tundra.
Jeep is amazing vehicle Very fun and great anywhere My dream jeep Thing has a 392 in it 💪,
An old adage says, four wheel drive just gets you further away from help once you get stuck.
The bigger the 4X4, the farther you are in the woods when they come to tow you out...
Use 2x to get stuck and 4x to get home
once you get stuck, four wheel drive isn't going to get you any further away from help, because you're stuck and can't get any further away
That's my Tundra in the video. We grew up saying the better the 4 wheel drive the further you are from home when you get stuck.
Decent set of tires will do amazing things, lived in Maine and my 12 outback never got me stuck anywhere
What tires you used for the outback.
@@RAMCO840 sumitomo all season,
You are correct. Always overlooked. Wide mud tires are NOT the best for snow. Thinner snow tires rock
A Jeep can't get good reliability and safety ratings or genuine customer care/responsibility from a corporate level, but it can get respectable fuel economy for what it's intended build and purpose is, take you where you need to go, and bring many smiles, laughs and memories. Great video and thank you for sharing.
Hayden Walstrom my jeep crashed me in to the side walk almost hitting a kid on a bike. Oh memories.
Hayden Walstrom who cares about safety when you drive a Jeep? It's a Jeep! It can roll over at any time!
Quinn Howlett ya your jeep can not a jeep made by fiat.
GMC Truck and that's why I drive a '97 TJ with the good old 242 Amc Straight six with an AX-15 5 speed manual transmission. She is a true Jeep. TJs were the last true jeeps to be made
Quinn Howlett then you should care about safety in a jk shouldn't you?
I love when people beat on their shit for no damn reason, love it! I didnt see 22’’ either.
Sure you did on the sides of the road. But NOT what they were driving through.
Nice job boys. 🌨 Jeeps and Tundras are both fun. Hello from the North🇨🇦
BIGRICKHBCYCLE, they might be fun on dry roads but in deep snow, both are worthless. It does not seem like there were 22" of snow and both got stuck even with chains.
@@OscarRodSeedsofG what vehicles would you consider to be not worthless in deep snow?
Great video! I'll give kudos to the Toyota because its a pickup with longer wheel base and no weight over the rear. Again, great video! Go Jeep!
The Toyota is mine. Thanks for the kudos. I once owned a Jeep and have a lot of experience off-road. It is quite fun in something that I really have to pay attention to. A locked Jeep almost became boring.
Jared Chiara I own a tundra too and love it. jeeps have their place but I have pulled plenty out of snow banks and corn fields great video guys
fresh snow is ok, its when the snow finally settles, and high centering becomes an issue. looks just like home life for me and the rest on the mountain...thx for the video.
0:40 good example why lockers or limited slip diffs are a good thing for off-roading
Lockers for the win always
Tires, tires, tires
The best truck I ever owned for snow. 2004 SS silverado. Period.
What the methamphetamine you mean boy?
You mean the only truck you have ever owned LOL
Smart man, brought the chains
It's all about the lockers. A 4x4 without is never "the real thing".
The new Fiat Cherokee Trailhawk has a rear differential lock and does great off road (I know it's not a Wrangle Rubicon). That being said an old XJ can out perform the KL in many (not all) circumstances without diff lock.
I'm driving a G wagon with 3 lockers and I have seen struggle other cars with big offroad tires and stuff where I had no problems with normal winter-tires (not only in snow - also on steep bumpy hills...). Lockers make a big difference when the terrain becomes tougher ;-).
But back in the day before lockers and when limited slip was just a scratch in someones pants at Jeep (sometime in the late 70's I think, even though LS was around in the early 30's from Porsche) , it took skill to drive a 4x4. Now, it's just point and push on the gas. Again, that's not "the real thing". ;-) As far as the gun issue, , "real" hunters say anything other then black powder isn't "real" hunting. :-0
GottTS
I wish more manufacturers would go the Benz route with @ least 1/ 2 awesome/ 3 unstoppable; like to see your rig off-road
The one thing I have learned in my years of doing this stuff -- don't try to be a bad ass, don't be too proud, save time and unnecessary wear on the vehicle by STARTING off your adventure with the snow chains ON.
bingo! and snow tires
Wanted to see how far I could make it unlocked on my BFG ATs. That's my Tundra
Snow driving is about four main factors... 1) Tires.... If the tires don't work, it doesn't matter what vehicle you're driving... 2) Axles. Lockers work well, but you can't turn easily with the front locked. Jeep's Brake Lock Differentials combined with a Trac-Loc rear axle works nearly as well as lockers in a straight line, but better than lockers on winding trails. 3) Ground clearance. The less being dragged through the snow, the better. I've pushed through 24-28 inches of snow for six miles without great drama in my Wrangler. I run Treadwright Kedge Grip tires in winter. Best snow tires on earth. 4) Technique. It really helps to have experience driving in deep snow.
Corey Jordan ever heard of air or detroit lockers? Even a Detroit locker would be better than the posi as it locks when power is applied so for road driving in 2wd you won't have any issues.
Corey Jordan
Excellent point about the different tech in the jeep Rubicon axles. Before you brought that up i was wondering if the tundra driver had it in low range, because if he did... that was a big mistake. Anyone who has done any off roading knows that low range is almost never a good choice. What trans was in each, I'll take a manual everytime.
Thanks for the analysis Pee-Wee.
Dirk Diggler bn
I'll take my 09, Wangler with an automatic any day
p cook
Looks like the wrangler had more aggressive tires. Many factors come into play with traction: tread pattern and depth, tire size, air pressure and wheel base. of course locking diffs and clearance make a huge difference, but airing down gains tons of traction and it's free.
Livin' Life On Purpose I
I have a wrangled and live in New Hampshire, never got stuck in the snow
Recall many years ago my cj5 dropped in a plowed over deep shoulder on a logging road,had to get pulled out by a 2 wheel drive chevy pickup with chains driven by a local logger,talk about eating humble pie.
Old toyota never give up.
The newer tundras have atrac for the 4 wheel drive. The jeep will breakdown and not have near the resale of the tundra.
I have a Rubicon for one reason. LOCKERS, front and rear. You notice the first time the Toyota got stuck, all four wheels where not spinning at the same time. Because it has open diffs, or as some off-roaders call it, 2 wheel drive. One front wheel pulling and one rear wheel pushing.
I’m from Canada. Nice vid. But. That is nowhere near 22 inches
I agree. But it is old, stale, heavy snow which is probably more or as difficult to drive in than 22 inches of fresh powder
Rubicon has dif lock. sweet video!!!
Ya got to love the lockers on the Rubcon, but I would still use the chains as well
That's amazing, Jeep is crusing w/o snow chains
I've done that here in Utah as well. I chained up all 4 tires and went up high in the Ashley National Forest hunting cow elk. Amazing how much of a difference chains make. Good video
I used to do that in northern Minnesota with various types of vehicles including a 73 VW Bus, a 85 Trooper and a Tundra. I learned the hard way to put chains on all four tires (if it had 4 WD) BEFORE I’m stuck. After that it was a breeze driving in deep snow, then my only worry was getting hung up in packed down snow. For that I always carried two grain shovels (one for my buddy).
My 2015 Outback 3.6R with snow tires would plow through that snow no problem.
Great video & no BS
The Toyota isn't using a locking differential! Jeeps rock!
I love how everyone owns a "badass unbeatable Subaru" yet they are watching a video clearly tagged with jeep in it.....envious maybe?
Looks like yall had a blast. enjoyed watching it
I saw 6-8” of snow, I’m calling clickbait!
there is definitely 16" in the powder
Well it is designed for off road. I think the pickup did well considering.
Wrangler would rule in 22" of snow, but here I see 5"
What are you talking about, its over half the tire at many points and there 35's at least do the math, its far from 5 inches. Thats not easy getting through that much snow, even a few inches in the wrong conditions can be impossible
Thank you! Someone who understands! (And watched more than the intro..)
@@livinlifeonpurpose6707 Just haters, what you did was by no means easy, great quality footage for 2016
This is an old tundra...i still.love toyota..
I have taken my aging TJ through snow very close to one meter deep. However, I have heavily modified my beauty. Little cab, stop her. Though it makes her a bit of a beast to daily drive her, it is, worth it where I reside. The winters and springs here are brutal. I got tired of missing work, being marooned at home and not having electricity. My believed TJ also doubles as a 4 kilowatt power station.
I have another idea for something to manufacture: wheels for off roading with brackets built into the wheels so that a claw type traction device can be quickly attached when the vehicle gets stuck.
I barely see 22 centimeters of snow! Anyway, it would of been nice to list the tire size and specs along with locker/no locker. Looks like fun anyway.
Pretty easy to tell that the Tundra did NOT have lockers. They’re limited slip differential stock and it showed when the front right tire was spinning and the left one wasn’t moving. I’m pretty sure Rubicon has stock lockers.
My Tundra is unlocked. The limited slip is pretty worn out. I am running BFG ATs size 285 75 R17. The Rubicon is running stock tires.
Youe idea of 22" is way different than mine....
Zenguy Bet his wife was disappointed when he said it was 7" too...
That's what she said.....
Greg Sall 👍🏽
Zenguy - when the jeep got stuck it covered almost all his tire.....i would saw that area was 22”
@@deemoney6401, Nope, he dug himself deep by spinning the tires. If you look at 4:11, the snow barely reaches the center hub of the rear tire.
Beautiful day! Looks like a blast.
Soundtrack is awesome.... "JEEPS... ASSEMBL"!!!!
Oh look, a perfectly pristine day in the natural and quiet forest, untouched snow in all its beauty...let's drive trucks in it!!!
Sounds like fun, let's go.
I LOVE JEEPS
Nothing compares to the legend! sorry terdyota 😃
I mean the heap has lockers front and rear.
Wish you had an Toyota FJ Cruiser, love to see that in the snow.
The wrangler is so beautiful.welcome for lebanon
Best part of this video is at 2:50 where the Jeep Rubicon drives without chains, through fresh snow, past a chained up Toyota Tundra.
Don't get me wrong, Toyotas are great vehicles, but there's no comparing an open diff vehicle to one with lockers.
Jeep Rubicon FTW!
More like tried driving through 8” of snow and kept getting stuck.
They were never stuck. When you can't see the headlights, you might be stuck.
I goal is to keep you tires on the road you can’t see, easier to say.
oh... forgot the point... sorry few beers... ... cool video.. always nice to see stuff like this..
That stuff looks real powdery, maybe I'm wrong but that's just what it looks like
Well here ya go been driving 4x4 for over 30 years and I have has both the Jeep has lockers only reason it could go with out chains I can tell you with 100% jeeps are fun but they are cheep built now the tundra is one of the best trucks you can buy hands down I have owned 5 jeep 22 Toyota trucks one tundra and I am going to get a new one as soon as it hits 500000 miles
It is also all abut he tires you chose
For the many talking bout the lockers on the rubicon, you do know that they only lock in 4low? Nothing looked like it needed 4 low in this video
on word to make all of this easier - Tires. I have driven in 2 feet of snow in my expedition in 4-LOW with nice beefy tires - cranked right up it slow and steady..
I enjoyed the vid.; can't wait for snowfall!
And the winner is, wait for it, wait for it, JEEP of course.
The winner is the local transmission shop.
Looks like it was a fun day!
That Tundra is a good rig but its no match for a Rubicon. Impressive off roading guys.
The most affective 4wd vehicles have front and rear lockers like the Rubicon.
If your wheels start spinning on one side, try slightly stepping on your brakes and you will have partial positraction!
In the boonies, it is all about tire chains.
Made the Jeep look Good. After the Tundra plowed the snow for it 😁
Jeep is a authentic and the best off road. Tacoma is a pick up truck with off road skills.
Tundra is the taco's more powerful brother
I did this in my 4Runner in McCall Idaho one winter. 3" lift on it and 4x4 and it cruised through, no chains or anything. Can't beat a 4Runner for this kind of fun.
Ms Smith I’ve had the honor of owning a 4x4 4Runner and it seldom got stuck, I believe it was better off roading than my current vehicle, 4x4 Tacoma
Well you can beat a 4Runner, it's called a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon model with straight axles, front and rear lockers, low gears, etc all from the factory. I know as I currently own a 4Runner and Jeep Rubicon. I have owned 2 Jeeps, CJ7 and now Wrangler and 3 Toyotas, 1985 pickup ( loved that truck), Tacoma and now a 4Runner. If all vehicles are stock the Jeep Rubicon (which I have taken over the Rubicon trail) wheels the best. Now as far as build quality and reliability nothing beats Toyota. That's why my daily driver is a 4 Runner.
fastdude2002 And land cruiser tops all!!
fastdude2002 I rented a Rubicon, lifted, locked, giant meaty ass off road tires, it did every bit as good as a FJ 40 ( 1970) that I once owned, great ridin vehicle those Rubicons!
@@fastdude2002 reliability failure for the Jeep. Toyota will survive for decades. Yours NOT
Either or looks like a good time I'm just not seeing 22" of snow
You got that right. Looks like 8 inches to me.
The jeep was buried down to the tub. Got to be close to 22" of snow
It is at the end of the video
22” at 4:05
22 centimeter hahahah
When we first got a 4WD vehicle in 1982, I had a rule for myself: Go only where you can go in 2WD and then, if you can't extricate yourself using 2WD, use 4WD to get back home.
Our Trooper had a manual transmission so I found that there were many times when 2WD would have been adequate but I wanted to go slower on some very rough primitive unimproved roads than I could go in 1st gear high range. So I used low range and my "rule" went out the window.
I would still suggest that rule, however, for someone who has a 4WD vehicle with an automatic transmission.
We currently have two vehicles: a 1997 Dodge pickup with an automatic transmission and 4WD and a 2010 Jeep Patriot with an automatic transmission (CVT) and what Jeep calls, "Freedom Drive I". In the Dodge, I can drive as slow as I want in 2WD and then use 4WD to get home if 2WD isn't adequate for where I wanted to go. In the Patriot, I can go as slow as I want in AWD and then use the LOCK mode to get home if AWD isn't adequate for where I wanted to go.
If money were no object, I might consider buying a Wrangler with a manual transmission and then converting the transfer case to a "twin stick" system that allows for operation in 2WD low range. Unfortunately, that is just a fantasy.
Back in the 1980s, an Isusu Trooper owner took a friend up into the mountains in Utah. At one point, the friend expressed amazement at where the Trooper was able to go on a steep primitive unimproved road. The Trooper owner responded, "Yes, it is quite capable--and we aren't even in 4WD yet!"
I had that same rule, but these damn quail I’m hunting just keep making me break it lol!
Good rule if you don't have any extraction equipment. i.e. winch or max tracs.
It's all about wheel base. Shorter is better in deep snow or mud.
the question is did the jeep even try?
Didn't need to.
Lockers. The biggest difference is the Rubicon has front and rear lockers.
simple explanation is yes
Having lockers on the differentials is huge here. Had the Toyota had them, there wouldn't have been much of an issue.
Still can't get past the IFS on the Toyota. Can't beat straight axles for real, hardcore wheeling. That's why you mostly see Jeeps or other old school vehicles like scouts, first gen Broncos, etc on trails like the Rubicon trail or Moab. IFS works great on the street or open desert but that's about it. Not near enough wheel travel Or durability..
I have a 2003 tundra no problem in deep snow with good tires. Last w/o,yet I was parked st work 3 ft of snow and it pulled right out
I watched a Jeep Commando climb an extremely steep slope once without spinning only to find out it only had a six in it and was an automatic with crappy tires. Lots of respect for Jeeps. Too bad they quit making trucks.
I don't know what that Toyota has on it for tires, but PLEASE don't let me buy any of them! No doubt Firestones?
Great video! We don't get much of the white stuff to play in down here in FL, except for some great sandy jeep trails in national forest land. I like the footage of the snow being thrown off the wheels of the Toyota... Pretty neat! :-) BTW, the music was fine... ;-)
These are the dudes who are always stuck and blocking the trails. No winches, no shovels, no recovery gear at all.
just hope. and a fantasy to lead them
Apples to Apples, maybe a Toyota FJ and the Jeep.
Ever notice that every time you even consider selling your Jeep you fall even deeper in love with it?
Nice video. Looks like fun
Locking differentials make the difference!
Some roads în this lifetime spininn '
You're better men than me. I'm not talking about the snow, I'm talking about putting on chains!
The most awesome car in the snow is a Mistsubishi Evolution. I got caught in snow so deep you could barely tell where the road was and the car never even bogged down
Jeep Nation! Wrangler
It's all about tyres and ground clearance.
If you've got fuel efficient tyres, wait for the salt trucks to go round before you get on the roads.
bingo. and front lockers
@@02hreblue30 nice to have, but not really necessary. In some cases, lockers are detrimental. Selectable lockers are better than spools and automatic lockers.
@@KC9UDX semantics. Only people without the option say its no big deal. Jeep has it, Ford stepping up the game, and Powerwagon, as well now as the ZR2. Should at least be an option on any serious 4x4. Tyres? Must not be American
@@02hreblue30 drive lengthwise on a slippery hill with lockers that you can't turn off and you'll see that I mean. Open differentials aren't just for those who can't afford lockers. I just bought an axle with a locker and I'm probably going to remove it.
@@KC9UDX Maybe Torsion LSD is the way to go? Best of all worlds for everyday? Like the Raptor?
Big brother is growing fast and furious lol
I drove my Cherokee Chief through a snow storm of 24 inches and didn't get stuck once. I have been a Jeep guy ever since.
RUBICON FTW!
Willing to bet the bed of the Toyota tundra was empty. Big factor in the snow because not enough weight or rear tires. Need a good 200 lbs or so of sandbags in there
oh it's probably got 5 cases of monster drinks
Also air down tires
KEY IS 4 LOW,AIR DOWN A LITTLE bigger tire 33-35”. SLIGHT LIFT 2.5
And *better* tyres! 🙂
A Rubicon with f&r locking diffs vs a tundra? No comparison. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a Rubicon or a Colorado ZR2 because of the locking diffs.
ZR2 is a great alternative
@@02hreblue30 wish it came with a 6sp manual though, I love a clutch
@@jasonjaeger4042 Nah. I own several manuals. Dinosaurs
@@02hreblue30 First vehicle was a standard, and I ride MX so I need that clutch. I gotta have the RPM's where I want em and it to shift when I want. I like my current truck which is an auto but it shifts at odd times once in a while. Some people like auto's and some like a stick, whatever makes floats ur boat. But driving around with a broken collar bone woulda definitely been easier at 17 with an auto lol.
@@jasonjaeger4042 Yep. drive what you like! To each his own. Enjoy! Life is short
I'll take the Jeep any day, made in the USA
at 0:36 switch video playback speed to 0.25. It looks like art.
The Jeep was barefoot but the pickup had to put on jewelry.
Trucks aren't balanced like suvs and this little test proves that.
You just CANNOT get a Jeep Wrangler stuck...!!!
Detroit vs Rice? My old 94 4 runner went through snow but it loved gas 8 mpg
Isn't that what a Ski-doo is for? I think they took a bit of a risk there.
Looks like fun thanks
Love the Jeeps!!