You make me really study and read church history. I always thought everyone believed that church history was overwhelmingly trinitarian but I’m starting to see. Thank you
"The Roman Catholic Church came out of the Apostolic Church." Well sure, if by Apostolic you mean the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, which is the One, True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded and headed by Jesus Christ in 33 ad.
The fact Christian denominations are not holding communion on a regular basis is flat out bad! A nonbeliever with much knowledge of the new testament could basically say they don't even take their saviors command seriously. As a Christian it has always bothered me.
Great lesson pastor Waldron. I will have to say that my inter pretation of Matt.16:19 is that because the Lord made a point of saying Peters' name , he was saying, not that Peter was the rock that he would build his church, but that what Peter said in Acts 2:38 is what he would build his church on.The church as you know is a spiritual church made up of believers that are not only saved but " born again".
In a catholic church on special feasts they have 7 candles which represent the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit...especially at Pentacost the birthday of the Catholic Church
Brother Waldron, do you think it is possible the reason the Catholic, Orthodox, etc. Churches are sacramental because of the judaizers? Because both the Pharisees and Catholics are sacramental in worship
While I do think you have some good points, you are incorrect in some of your history. I grew up in Oneness apostolic so I understand why you think What you think. Apostolic Pentecostal churches we know today did not exist until the last 100 years or so and can not trace their roots back to the “apostolic age” you teach. And as far as the communion goes, it is literally Christ body and blood. We take Christ literally when he said “take this all of you and eat of it for it is my body...it is my blood” I’m paraphrasing here. I think you did well on pointing out the difference and a lot of similarities between us. And please don’t think I’m attacking you or what you said, I’m not. Love all my brothers and sisters in Christ. God Bless you my friend.
@🕸 Real Deal Chill 🕸 The Oneness Pentecostal movement in North America is believed to have begun in 1913 as the result of doctrinal disputes within the pentecostal church, which was formed somewhere near the year 1901. I'm not going to argue about this, I'm just stating facts my friend. Not saying you are wrong or right just facts.
I am sorry my brother that you did not get a detailed history of the faith of the Apostles church which now called just Apostolic Pentecostals. It did not start 100 years ago. It started one the day of Pentecost when the Apostle of the Lamb Peter said, Repent and baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you and to your children, even as to many as the Lord our God shall call. Now this was a hand picked Apostle of Jesus Christ who is declaring the message of reconciliation to multiple souls at this feast. The generational gospel message was repeated more that 9 times to converts in the Acts of the Apostles. This is the plan of salvation that modern Apostolic believers hold to. Many have rejected this plan of salvation with shifts, placements and add ons. The Catholic Church changed the baptismal mode of water baptism in Jesus Name to baptizing the Name of the father, son and Holy Ghost. No true follower of Jesus ever did this method in the New Testament. Now it is said that baptism is no longer necessary to be saved. There is a pattern by Christ how to biblically born again. But some have boldly shifted to obeying the inventions of men instead of the words of Jesus or His Holy Apostles. See Acts 2, Acts 4, Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19, and Acts 22 for a foundation for biblical salvation. The revelation of biblical baptisms has been scattered through history but went worldwide after the forming of the Pentecostal Assembly of the World after the Azusa Street revival of 1906-1909. Real history solidifies truth.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Honestly the fact that we're listening to 20th century folks claiming authority that they didn't receive from the 12 Apostles just astounds me. The sheep listen to the voice of the shepherd and the Shepherd appointed pastors and bishops who we call the fathers of the church, like Paul.
There are quite a few similarities and differences. One of the biggest differences in how to obtain salvation. Apostolics are basically Acts 2:38, while Mennonites would believe differently. But that subject, to do it justice, is too expansive for me to elucidate on!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa The word Trinity or Trinitarian was not developed but the concept of a God in three Persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit as distinct from one another) is seen in many places in the New Testament.
@@repsfo None of the terms were developed. First Person, Second Person, Third Person, Co-Equal, Co-Eternal, etc. Jesus never mentioned the trinity, Paul never mentioned the trinity, it was totally unknown in the apostolic world.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa None of the terms were developed yet. Remember that Christianity was developing. Christ told the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would teach hem all things. Jesus didn't just hand the Apostles a "church" manual outlining all of His teachings. Just before Ascending to His Father he commanded them to Baptize in the "Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit," the Trinity. The first Creeds which were statements of Faith or Belief that all Christians professed to before Baptism, as we progressed beyond the Apostolic age always began with a proclamation of the Trinity, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit". As the Church developed this became more explicit.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Also remember that the early Creeds were developed as a means of stating the "Teaching of the Apostles" which the Christian community held to. Even though they were not called "Christian" yet.
Apostolic Church was developed in the early 20th century...Apostolics also believe if you dont speak in tongues than you havnt received the Holy Spirit...and Apostolics also believe if you are not on the same belief of the Apostolic Church than you are not Christian...this guy is wrong and the early church fathers explicitly over and over again prove it...
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa the founding of the church ( the Catholic Faith ) it’s growth out of this other church you claim. The foundations of the trinity and “anti-pope” …Your interpretations of Peter and his role. Your interpretations of biblical text . I am not insulting you , but it seems this is done from a biased viewpoint to confirm or self bias and objections . Also some things you say Catholics do and believe are a very strange interpretation . I’m going to go on the side of restraint and wait until I research your video more and give you answers you want . It’s dangerous when someone like you cherry picks data and provides it as fact and than also as faith to serve their own confit Action bias …. Where did you get your research degree from ? Also you mention “original interpretations “ of dead languages . Do you mind me asking where you studied Ancient Greek, Hebrew, and older forms of Latin ?
You make me really study and read church history. I always thought everyone believed that church history was overwhelmingly trinitarian but I’m starting to see. Thank you
Amen facts we stand with the apostolics
"The Roman Catholic Church came out of the Apostolic Church." Well sure, if by Apostolic you mean the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, which is the One, True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded and headed by Jesus Christ in 33 ad.
No, historically. God bless!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Yes, the Roman Catholic Church historically came out of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I’m not Catholic but I’ve been going to a Lutheran church because of real presence
The Gospel of Mattew was not written originally in Greek but Aramaic: it reads Kephas - you are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build my Church.
The fact Christian denominations are not holding communion on a regular basis is flat out bad! A nonbeliever with much knowledge of the new testament could basically say they don't even take their saviors command seriously. As a Christian it has always bothered me.
Great lesson pastor Waldron. I will have to say that my inter pretation of Matt.16:19 is that because the Lord made a point of saying Peters' name , he was saying, not that Peter was the rock that he would build his church, but that what Peter said in Acts 2:38 is what he would build his church on.The church as you know is a spiritual church made up of believers that are not only saved but " born again".
You forgot the trinity
In a catholic church on special feasts they have 7 candles which represent the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit...especially at Pentacost the birthday of the Catholic Church
Brother Waldron, do you think it is possible the reason the Catholic, Orthodox, etc. Churches are sacramental because of the judaizers? Because both the Pharisees and Catholics are sacramental in worship
I don’t think so, but I’ll think about it. Great question!
While I do think you have some good points, you are incorrect in some of your history. I grew up in Oneness apostolic so I understand why you think What you think. Apostolic Pentecostal churches we know today did not exist until the last 100 years or so and can not trace their roots back to the “apostolic age” you teach. And as far as the communion goes, it is literally Christ body and blood. We take Christ literally when he said “take this all of you and eat of it for it is my body...it is my blood” I’m paraphrasing here. I think you did well on pointing out the difference and a lot of similarities between us. And please don’t think I’m attacking you or what you said, I’m not. Love all my brothers and sisters in Christ. God Bless you my friend.
@🕸 Real Deal Chill 🕸 what's incorrect?
@🕸 Real Deal Chill 🕸 The Oneness Pentecostal movement in North America is believed to have begun in 1913 as the result of doctrinal disputes within the pentecostal church, which was formed somewhere near the year 1901. I'm not going to argue about this, I'm just stating facts my friend. Not saying you are wrong or right just facts.
I am sorry my brother that you did not get a detailed history of the faith of the Apostles church which now called just Apostolic Pentecostals. It did not start 100 years ago. It started one the day of Pentecost when the Apostle of the Lamb Peter said, Repent and baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you and to your children, even as to many as the Lord our God shall call.
Now this was a hand picked Apostle of Jesus Christ who is declaring the message of reconciliation to multiple souls at this feast. The generational gospel message was repeated more that 9 times to converts in the Acts of the Apostles. This is the plan of salvation that modern Apostolic believers hold to. Many have rejected this plan of salvation with shifts, placements and add ons. The Catholic Church changed the baptismal mode of water baptism in Jesus Name to baptizing the Name of the father, son and Holy Ghost. No true follower of Jesus ever did this method in the New Testament. Now it is said that baptism is no longer necessary to be saved. There is a pattern by Christ how to biblically born again. But some have boldly shifted to obeying the inventions of men instead of the words of Jesus or His Holy Apostles. See Acts 2, Acts 4, Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19, and Acts 22
for a foundation for biblical salvation. The revelation of biblical baptisms has been scattered through history but went worldwide after the forming of the Pentecostal Assembly of the World after the Azusa Street revival of 1906-1909. Real history solidifies truth.
@@jamesyeargin3747 if that's the case, then please provide solid evidence on that.
Apostolic church is true, Be-cos only one God that God have Name hes name is Jesus.
You guys must look into the Athanasian Creed
I’ve done a video or 2 on it.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Honestly the fact that we're listening to 20th century folks claiming authority that they didn't receive from the 12 Apostles just astounds me. The sheep listen to the voice of the shepherd and the Shepherd appointed pastors and bishops who we call the fathers of the church, like Paul.
do you make stuff up in all your videos?
I haven’t made anything up in any of them.
@Pedro Ivan Sanchez facts don't care about your feelings
Can you tell me What is the difference in apostolic faith and the mennonites?
There are quite a few similarities and differences. One of the biggest differences in how to obtain salvation. Apostolics are basically Acts 2:38, while Mennonites would believe differently. But that subject, to do it justice, is too expansive for me to elucidate on!
that is completely crazy. before the Roman catholic church, Christianity was a sec of Judaism. Roman had pagan gods.
There were many variations of Christianity by 75 AD according to Historians.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa so you are jewish or roman? do you read latin and Hebrew like paul? lmao.
@@dannysze8183 Well I have studied both.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa lmao.
Absolute heresy
Where does Bach or Barth show Jesus name baptism
More modalism. It’s all in his works. Heavily accused of it. There’s even a tract of many of his oneness statements. But he was overall a trinitarian.
New Life Of Albany Ga. ok
The Apostolic Church or the Church of the Apostles was Trinitarian
Not in the least. The word, and concomitant terminology was not developed yet.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa The word Trinity or Trinitarian was not developed but the concept of a God in three Persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit as distinct from one another) is seen in many places in the New Testament.
@@repsfo None of the terms were developed. First Person, Second Person, Third Person, Co-Equal, Co-Eternal, etc. Jesus never mentioned the trinity, Paul never mentioned the trinity, it was totally unknown in the apostolic world.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa None of the terms were developed yet. Remember that Christianity was developing. Christ told the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would teach hem all things. Jesus didn't just hand the Apostles a "church" manual outlining all of His teachings. Just before Ascending to His Father he commanded them to Baptize in the "Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit," the Trinity. The first Creeds which were statements of Faith or Belief that all Christians professed to before Baptism, as we progressed beyond the Apostolic age always began with a proclamation of the Trinity, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit". As the Church developed this became more explicit.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Also remember that the early Creeds were developed as a means of stating the "Teaching of the Apostles" which the Christian community held to. Even though they were not called "Christian" yet.
Where can I see Hippolytus’s vitriol
Read it. It’s disgusting. I’m assuming you have the 38 volume fathers.
New Life Of Albany Ga. no which of his letters is it in?
Complete works
New Life Of Albany Ga. ok
Apostolic Church was developed in the early 20th century...Apostolics also believe if you dont speak in tongues than you havnt received the Holy Spirit...and Apostolics also believe if you are not on the same belief of the Apostolic Church than you are not Christian...this guy is wrong and the early church fathers explicitly over and over again prove it...
Not in the least. Have you read Bernard’s several volume history on the interaction with the so called church fathers?
Doesn't the Catholic organization include the protestant denominations in their count?
No, but it’s a long story
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Oh, I thought they did. I thought they considered the protestants as daughters.
@@donnamarino3402 Yes...but they still count them differently for statistics.
Very factually wrong
Really? How?
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa the founding of the church ( the Catholic Faith ) it’s growth out of this other church you claim. The foundations of the trinity and “anti-pope” …Your interpretations of Peter and his role. Your interpretations of biblical text . I am not insulting you , but it seems this is done from a biased viewpoint to confirm or self bias and objections . Also some things you say Catholics do and believe are a very strange interpretation . I’m going to go on the side of restraint and wait until I research your video more and give you answers you want . It’s dangerous when someone like you cherry picks data and provides it as fact and than also as faith to serve their own confit
Action bias …. Where did you get your research degree from ? Also you mention “original interpretations “ of dead languages . Do you mind me asking where you studied Ancient Greek, Hebrew, and older forms of Latin ?
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa also your saying the “Seat of Peter “ right not the “See” as in the Holy See ?
@@christophermayer6415 No, I’ve studied this issue objectively for decades. It is what it is.