I had a Milty Zerostat 3 gun once, but they have a certain lifetime on how many discharges it can deliver. I managed to wear out mine within 2 years of use to the point it didn't worked at all, even if I tweaked the screw on the piezo-element holder inside the gun. Ended up buying a vintage battery powered Nagaoka Kilavolt No.103 gun for never needing to replace it again. It has good reviews, so I'm very excited to test it out when it arrives in my mailbox.😊
Remember the old days of the carbon fiber brush perhaps some are unaware this brush needed to be grounded to the screw of an outlet IT WORKED GREAT if you have one they can be modified with a wire / to brush to outlet LOVE YOUR CHANNEL
@@anadialog vinyl records, made of pvc, a material which is insoluble in alchohol so thats not a problem. Other stuff too but they're not relevant to the topic which was discussed
What I usually do to reduce static is use a USB charger connected to a wall outlet (so it is grounded) and use the connector end of the cable to touch the dead space on one side of a vinyl disc. In my experience, it doesnt completely get rid of static, but greatly reduces it. I've done this on vinyl emitting static from 5 inches away and gotten the static down until I could feel it about a half inch away. **Disclaimer** This practice shouldn't damage your vinyl, but am not 100% of the repercussions it may have to the cable itself. However, in personal theory, as long as the cable is connected to a grounded power adapter then it should be fine.
Good idea. You could also get yourself an antistatic wrist strap & lead as used in the electronics production & repair industry. They have a resistor in the lead which prevents you from creating a dead short between your potentially live equipment & earth thus (potentially) electrocuting yourself. They're really cheap, but the downside is, you could catch the cable up on your equipment which would be disastrous if not taken off after use. :-o
Re the Zerostat, i've heard from many people in the hifi industry that they work but, as you say, they're expensive, as for the Talisman "WOW WHAT A LOAD OF SNAKE OIL BOLLOCKS". The ONLY reason it eliminated static from both your cd & vinyl is because you grounded yourself & the discs by touching them thus discharging any static to ground. If you want to eliminate static from your discs before you play them, don't wear rubber soled shoes or stand on a carpet when you load them either onto your turntable or into your disc player. If your equipment is properly earthed (grounded), touching the chassis of the player or as you suggested the spindle of the turntable will more than suffice to discharge any accumulated static charge. As another commenter noted, magnets ( of any strength) & cartridges & tape heads are NOT good bedfellows, unless you're very rich & stupid enough to bring them together, in that case you can afford a new component each time the "magnet" is used near them. As for de-magnetising your speaker drivers....... well as they have pretty large magnets inside to make them work, you're wasting your time. Sorry to rant on so, but this sort of "BAD SCIENCE" is exactly what gives audio & hi-fi enthusiasts a bad name & puts people off investing any amount of money into their music listening equipment. They then go on to purchase an all in one system because it's easier, but not necessarily as enjoyable which,( to me anyway) is what this hobby is all about. Not confusing them with inaccurate information & fleecing them out of their hard earned cash or savings.
Draco, I agree on most of what you said but I must also add that I did not say anything ethusiastic about the Talisman. It did have some results, which I need to further test, but as I said nothing incredible. Surely the expense is way too high for the results. I declare what I feel, see and hear. Noboby is paying me for this...I am just motivated by passion. Moreover, what surprises me is that there are very important reviewers that claim that it is miracolous...at that point, or domething fishy is goig on or I amusing it wrong. Still have to decide.
Touching a non conductive material like plastics of an LP or a CD does not thoroughly remove static electricity by pulling it to ground. Only the touched parts and areas surrounded. It also depends on how big the charge is, a bigger charge can reach over longer distances to ground. Electrostatic discharges from plastics can reach up to 50kV (or even higher with low humidity air) creating a spark of multiple centimeters towards ground. The other way around is also possible when it is negatively charged, flowing from ground towards the charged object. The Zerostat actually works to remove static electricity (not to prevent buildup of it). It just ionizes air near its tip. It uses the same principle as ionized air to remove dust from parts before entering a clean room for example. It's no snake oil, just a very common concept. I don't know about the other products though.
I invented a little arm that you swing across the record before playing, it has a tinfoil curtain that hangs 2mm above the record surface and it grounded to the sub chassis (sprung part), you can make a simple one yourself by simply wrapping a little tin foil on the tone arm on the rear of your cartridge (dont short the connections), shape it so it forms a curtain hanging just above the record surface without touching-the high voltage jump a few mm's anyway, the grounding on the tonearm should be sufficient even if it is painted, as the high voltages from static cross the paint barrier. Try it and you will see, no more static on your records EVER, whats more I think it improves sound.
Interesting video, glad to hear an honest opinion based on personal experience. Kind of excited me when you played Cannonball Adderly, I just got done with a long listening session with that album, thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a second haha
Hi -an additional "option" to test (if you agree in my theory). According to scientific experiments you are able to knock out the electrons by exposing static charged material to UV-light. If this work, it could be a fast and substance-free cleaning of the static noise of the record. Is it a test worth? It would be my contribution to your well made video of the subject. Thanks 🙂
I finally was able to find and buy that Beatles mono white box set behind you in the video. Not cheap nowadays and very rare and even more expensive on eBay.
Way to go man...I love that set...the only recent AAA set of the fab four! If you haven't, check the vid I made on mono recordings! ua-cam.com/video/m6q2JBOiD80/v-deo.html
Be really careful with the talisman with quartz lock and servo lock turntables! I don't know how yours work, but my sony seems to have a magnetic strip on the perimeter underside the platter, and a sort of tape head fixed on the plinth to read it in order to perfectly time the motor. That means that if you demagnetize that strip completely or partly you can loose or even worse change the speed on part of each turn!
Interesting video! I definitely noticed a big improvement after switching over to anti static sleeves. Thanks for suggesting the Nagaoka Sleeves, when my mofis are all used, I gonna try them, because what you said is pretty accurate: The mofi Sleeves don't fit inside paper sleeves and you often have to cut shorten them or put them side by side into the outer sleeve what sometimes makes it pretty stocky.
Clean your vinyl up with a good lp cleaning method and use Gruv Glide, IT is not a gimmick, it is a popular decades old product made in the US ,it keeps the static from building back up and you will hear far more from the vinyl and keeps the need away from having to have major cleanings after you use it . It can last for dozens of plays ...
Great informative video. I have the original "Zerostat" antistatic static pistol (made in the UK), bought it in the early 1970s and still works well. Interesting on using Magnets on a LP, i wonder if an 'Tape Head Demagnitizer' would do the same thing? (i have one for my reel to Reel tape deck). I also have an "Nitty Grtity" (FL5B?) Record Cleaning machine, uses water based fluid and i also use the "Nagaoca" antistatic LP sleeves.
I think the best and easy way to remove static is to use your ion based air purifier. I have a sharp plasmacluser thats stil running 24 hours for 20 years, that puts out positive and negative ions and just showing the record over the vent neutralizes the static and also blows away any minute dust with pure air.
Hi there, thanks for your words. I know I said in a few weeks but I am going to postpone this to tje future. Let's say that I need more time for specific things I had in mind. Sooner or later part 2 will come out, just as for the tape series! :-)
I got the spinclean instead of the Knosti because the fluid seems better value / no alcohol, also cheaper and I like the idea of replaceable cleaning pads, whereas the Knosti has no replacements and I have heard the brushes wear out over time.
Very simple way to get rid of static: Take a cotton dish towel, fold it several times so that you have about a 4 inch section that is now several layers thick. Get a spray bottle that has a fine spray nozzle and spray about 2 inches of that sectionso as to make it damp but not wet. Make sure that it is only damp and not drippy or wet, you dont want to wet the record. Place the record on the table and without activating the table spin the record slowly by hand and lightly apply the damp cloth with no pressure on the surface of the record, just the weight of the damp cloth. Voila static gone. there should be no crackling or clinging of the record to the mat. Do both sides, play record.
Here in Alaska the winters are so dry i have a HUGE problem with static. "That's dirt not static" from the guy who said he is against cleaning records. 😉
Two notes from watching this. First on the Zerostat, the new ones don’t have great instructions provided but in research I found, you are supposed to squeeze and release the trigger while pointed at the record. Second, with carbon brushes I found that not all are created equal. Out of all the brushes I have, only one had continuity between the bristles and the metal housing which makes me believe that only ones with continuity actually are able to discharge static when touching the spindle.
Yes, I was following the old model instructions. We explained that in the comments and now I will add a fixed comment to clear that. The brush will always charge if you use it while the record is spinning. If you do it by hand then it can help the way you said.
@@anadialog thanks for clarifying on the zerostat. I found info on it was a bit difficult to track down. The instructions with my recent purchase of one were very vague. On the brush note, I have tried it and done some meter tests and it did seem the rotation added charge although on brushes which had continuity between the bristles and the metal body, this charge was discharged when it contacted the spindle and apparent static was also discharged. That being said, of all the brushes I had, only one had continuity which makes the rest of them counter productive. If you haven’t already, it would be a good video to test different brushes and then test their effect both with a stationary record and one spinning.
I have a roller washer, and along with dust, they seem to be completely static free when they come out. I usually use it on a new record and then store them in the poly style sleeves.
Here's the best audio tip ever: Don't bring any magnets near any of your music media or equipment. Also keep your speakers, that contains magnets, away from your media and other equipment. Magnets don't eliminate electrostatics but they do decay magnetic tapes, induce voltages in your equipment and magnetize many of the metals in your equipment. To demagnetize your tape player heads you nead a specialized degaussing tool that generates a localised high frequency magnetic field using a coil. If you suspect electrostatics building up in your equipment you can use earthing wrist straps (ESD wrist strap) and anti static mats (ESD mats) to get rid of it.
Hi ana[dia]log, thanks for the video. You are the perfect Gentleman, everything or anything which you are explaining convincingly. This is the first time I watched the demo for how the Static Gun to properly be used. So far, no one did explain in any videos. Thanks a lot. But, please let us know that : How many points on the record to be treated? or just any one of the area? Are both sides of the record to be treated? When using Talisman, should both sides to be treated? Is it safe with the MC cartridges? You did say that alcohol solutions are not good for vinyl, then which solution you do recommend? How about 'The Disc Doctor's Quick Wash Record Cleaner' & L' Art du Son Record Cleaning Liquid? Kindly explain in detail for all my doubts. With Best Regards, Naresh.
Hello Victor, thank you for your nice message and excuse me if I did not go enough in depth on every aspect but I am trying to make shorter videos. Here are the answers to your questions: The milty gun can be used above the record while it is spinning. At about the distance of an arm from the record surface. Yes, do this for each face of the record for each time you play it. The Talisman must be used on both sides in the way I have shown in the video. This treatment should last longer than the gun. But if you use a brush you need to do it again ( in my opinion). Keep the talisman AWAY fron any tipe of cartridges! For the cleaning solutions please check the video I mentioned when I was discussing about the Knosti. L'Art du son concentrated solution is alcohol free and it is probably one if the best out there. I don't think that these have anti-static properties though.
After some time, I must admit that I would not recommend the Talisman anymore. The results are minimal compared to the absurd price. To answer your question, yes, be very careful!
Warning! Watching Ana[dia]log videos can be expensive. But worth it. The MiltyPro ZeroStat 3 is great! While I wouldn't go the $200 for the Talisman, the Milty really works (and there are plenty of videos on UA-cam to show this). Fluids leave residue no matter how clean you try to get them, but the ZeroStat really is the best solution. Now costing about $72 on Amazon, what is your listening pleasure worth? Thanks for the informative video. My wallet is thinner now, too.
I want to share my experience concerning static ... understanding what happens will solve many misunderstandings of static electricity. It is without a doubt movement of electrons (the visual spark and jolt felt) the reason it has the name static is because it is in fact stationary no movement AT ALL until something with less electrons get close enough that has an imbalance then the above spark, pop and jolt can be felt if you are what the electrons flow to (or from). Static build up inside a CD player or on CDs is something I don't understand as even possible the reflective layer wouldn't allow it to build up inside the CD machine itself would keep it drawn away simply because it is constantly grounded. In my opinion that is the same as alleged stabilization rings that became popular shortly after CD player came out, the claim was perfect balanced CDs played and sounded better. It was SNAKE OIL as well as an absolute useless product that could even damage a CD player if used improperly. As long as a CD player can keep the data rate close the DAC would correct ANY WOW and Flutter that an out of balance disk could potentially cause electrons have nothing at all to do with a CD and the fact that a laser detector is seeing light from the laser or not as mentioned earlier static CANNOT build up inside the player in the 1st place. The other comment about that was clearly stated as well. I would love to know how in the world a magnet can affect static electricity in my 50 plus years of living and having an interest in electronics I have NEVER in my life heard of a permanent magnet doing anything concerning static electricity, discharging it or otherwise. I wouldn't even know how to test the idea of it to prove either way.
I have to agree, it got so nutty with the waving of a magnet around the speakers that I wanted to comment, but couldn't manage it in a polite way. The guy should educate himself on how human hearing works before he promotes nonsense publicly , human hearing it is subjective process of the mind, designed to say "yes" if you think you hear something, a better answer evolved for survival against being eaten, and the reason why hearing tests have a scoring system that includes a presumed percentage of errors , to achieve an accurate test.
Thanks, a very good video indeed! But I wonder if not the Talisman might be a bit dangerous for a record player such as your Technics (I myself own a SL1200gr). I mean, there is a strong magnet just beneath the platter and, as I see it, you shouldn't risk to "decrease"or "alter" its magnetism in any form (e.g. with a Talisman). Am I right or not?
As mentioned in other comments, after further use the benefits are just not enough compared to the expens. Apart from that, I don't think so. I am pretty sure this was calculated. In any case it would be better to keep it stored far and use it fast!
Damn i got into this hobby just to listen to some old vinyl, now im finding out i have to go thru a 35 minute pre listening ritual just to eliminate a couple could be crackles or pops. Not to mention whatever table you buy someone thinks its garbage, Ugh
Getting into vinyl can be a deep rabbit hole, but it doesn't have to be. It really depends on the person and how deep they want to get into it. Some people only have a Crosley suitcase style record player with built-in speakers. It doesn't take up much space and it plays records. And if that's what makes them happy, it's all good! 😁👍 Who cares what other people think or say? Not everybody wants to or can afford to invest thousands in stereo equipment. And not everybody wants to get all obsessive about it 🤷♂️ Really, the most important thing is to have fun and enjoy yourself! But once somebody REALLY gets into vinyl, they will often want to upgrade their system. They start to notice the shortcomings of cheaper equipment such suitcase record players with built in speakers 🤔 Or perhaps they just want more power to vibrate the walls 🤯
the liquid that comes with the disco ant stat machine which i assume is the same as the one shown here is terrible for cleaning a record wand will fill records with gunk dont use it for any purpose! haven't used the talisman but the zero stat is around $70usd & has been used by pros for a long time & probably the way to go if you not have $300 to spend
I would be curious to see measurements of its efficacy in a measured, objective experiment. I retired my Zerostat in favor of a Furutech piece that is significantly more effective based on both measured results (device that reads static charge on LP's) and confirmed by my use of it. I'm currently trying out the DS Audio deionizer which actually sits by your turntable and discharges static as it occurs. Removing the static pre playing does not solve the problem since the act of playing it creates static - Hence the frequent occurrence of a felt mat coming off the platter with the record. By the way, I would much rather have a very low concentration of alcohol on my records than any kind of coating.
Static Electricity unfortunately is generated in vinyl simply by the rotation of the earth. There is a lot you do that effects static build up. First Cleaning of the record, then before putting it in an antistatic inner sleeve, I use an antistatic gun a few times. Then before playing I again use the antistatic gun. But it doesn't end there because static will build again while playing, the gun only have an effect for a few minutes. So I added a Furutech SK-filter to my record player which continually decharge the record while playing. Do not use antistatic fluids and film solutions, it works for a while but is in the long run not good for your record. Finally. Static pops is not the main problem made by static charge. A properly discharged vinyl has less noise. The static charge is continually discharging into your pick-up, always, and it sounds like background noise, like pink noise, or close to regular surface noise. With something like the SK-filter that noise is clearly and noticeable reduced.
Yes, absolutely sure! It's grounded. When I say little electro shocks I mean a spark that hits me, just like the one you get when you rub your shoes on a carpet and you touch someone.
Bybybe Gnostic expensive solution (started from 10 eur the bottle now the 30 eur the bottle)…I use 1/4 alcool and 3/4 distilled water same result never an issue,same silence and static result 😊
Static electricity that may build up on digital discs do interfere with the laser reading and creates issues that reduces the quality of the sound. In the future I will present other products for cd's that have even more positive impact.
How? To my knowledge the CD protocol has error correction during reading. Also, the redbook CD player standard states that a CD player has to be able to read the data off of the disk without interruption even if there is a gap in there below a certain length. (Scratches, dust, etc.)
I must admit that I do not know how it technically interferes but it does. Since solution that remove static, or even light!, do have a posite effect of the sound. I will make a video on this in the future.
Have you blind tested it? This product really fits the definition of snake oil. (This thing here will improve literally everything you rub it on!) I'm not qualified to make any final judgements since I'm not a physicist but I still have a reasonable understanding of physics and some of the company's statements raise a lot of red flags for me. Anyhow, you really should confirm whether it is placebo or not.
I will do that, i did claim that i rid nit hear any difference on the cables, while on the cd a slight improvement. Surely not sufficient to acceot such s high cost. Nevertheless, I am still testing...in any case the focus of the video is ststic on vinyl records. Digital is a bonus!
Where did get the idea you have to release the zerostat away from the record? the zerostat should be released above the record, pull is positive ions, release gives negatives..(says manual)
In an earlier version you were supposed to discharge the gun away from the record. I discovered recently that this has changed...God knows why! In any case, it works in both ways fortunately!
For years, I used an antistatic gun designed for vinyl static. It used to zap the record neutralizing any static instantly. Sadly after many years of usage it stopped working. I'm looking for a replacement, but no luck so far.
ana[dia]log It does. I wasn't aware of this device ... Looks very similar. A bit pricey though. Even on eBay, but worth it if it lasts as long and performs as well. Thanks for pointing this out 👍 For some reason I missed your mention of it during this video. I must have been making the tea 😀
Alcohol flashes off too quickly, especially the low amounts that may be included with such products. The alcohol helps speed up the flashing (drying) of products that use water in their formula. I wouldn't worry about it too much.. there are bigger issues to worry about then .5% alcohol in a cleaning solution.
@10:04 Yes, the Talisman is a magnet. No, it is not a strong magnet, and by no stretch of the imagination is it a very strong magnet. Will it lift a paper clip?
My guess is that that is due to the magnet that controls the the drivers in your speakers. You are probably feeling the pull from your speaker's magnets. By the way, I purchased the Talisman ~5 years ago. But I cannot find mine, in order to test its strength. I stopped using mine, because, although it works, I just got tired of the time and effort needed each and every time I played a disk. Now it is M.I.A. :-( By the way#2: Magnets come in all strengths, from weak refrigerator magnets, to strong neodymium magnets that can break your skin, to very strong neodymium magnets that will crush bones. This is one such magnet: www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52
@@museonfilm8919 The data on a CD gets stored chemically - the laser destroys/'bubbles up' a chemical so it changes colour. A magnet does not influence the non-magnetic chemicals. If this was not a joke by the original poster anyway, the reason is that once a magnet is stuck to a CD, taking it off again may scratch/rip the surface of the CD carrying the data on it's underside. Otherwise, holding a magnet next to a CD does nothing.
Of course static will build up as the any movement causes more charging of static electricity same as walking over a carpet with shoes that generate static as you walk you will get zapped EVERYTIME you touch the metal door knob. Vinyl is a plastic and as it is brushed for dust removal it will gain static the same way.
Another very good, informative video. However, most of the static electricity happens to be on carpeted floor. Furthermore, static electricity is abundant during the winter season. That zerostat thing appears to be efficient, but how does it work? Again, great videos on the vinyl realm of high fidelity.
I agree!! The carpet is a real killer. Going to mention that in the second vid. The zerostat is a based on piezoelectric technology. A crystal is stimulated to rwlease negative and positive iones...i works like a charm!
@ 13:45 , you forgot to say the magic spell: "Lirum larum löffelstiel, kostet viel und bringt nicht viel!" This is necessary for this Thing to reveal it?s power! ;-) ^^
It is literally impossible for a magic talisman to increase the fidelity of an optical disc. Digital media fundamentally does not work that way, period. Either it works or it doesn't. Ones and zeros.
The talisman ain't that good considering how much it costs. What I can say is that it is not just 1s and 0s, I wish it was so. Just consider the enormous amount and types of filtering that digital audio has you immediately understand that digital is very far from perfect and linear.
@@anadialog Ok but the filtering happens on the DAC, not on the reading of the disc. The information on the disc is literally just 1s & 0s. Anything you actually hear has been converted to analogue (an electrical signal), by guess what, the digital to analogue converter (DAC).
The truth? I though I had discovered an effective method but it turned out not to be so...but I will do a Volume 2 in the future with other methods, tools and practices to fight this issue...promise!
Still in my head. I was supposed to make it shortly after but I had to stop the production because the idea behind it turned out to be faulty. Maybe una day...
True but it may bond with the other molecules and remain on the surface, in any case even those few seconda might 'eat' a little bit of plastic...not worth the risk as Michael Fremer said...
Complete and utter audiophoolary! How on earth did you get static onto your CD? Static charge ends up on records from the friction from the stylus making contact with the record groove. Compact discs are a contactless system. Place a toilet paper sheet on the CD at an angle, I'm betting 100% that the paper slides right off. No static! I've enjoyed quite a few of your other videos, but this was sad to see. I thought it was a joke at first.
Don't believe my word...check for yourself and you will discover that static does affect cd's and more specifically it creates issues in the rotation...
How do I check exactly? My system clamps the CD to the spindle which in turn is connected to a motor. Even if there was static electricity on the disc (which there's not) it wouldn't be strong enough, or close enough to to the motor to affect it. Even if there was an effect the data correction system built into the redbook standard would correct for it.
With your clamping system the effects are surely reduced, I agree! Here are just a few reliable things I have found on static electricity and CDs: www.enotes.com/homework-help/when-do-you-wipe-compact-disc-with-clean-cloth-why-441237 And forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cds-static-milty-zaperator-walker-talisman-anti-static-spray.545659/ In any case, static builds up on records also by just handling them, taking them out of the jacket and using brushes (even if they claim they are anti-static). Plus, dry sir and rugs under your feet will enhance the problem...
Andrew Lamb I have no evidence of this exact process but your assumption that record static comes only from contact between stylus and record isn’t true. It comes from carpet, sleeve friction, and other sources. Analogy: Clothes don’t develop a charge just because we wear them on our bodies. You might also live in a moist area with tile floors, etc. where static is much less of a problem.
The Eccentric Hobbyist I didn’t say it only comes from there. In a contactless system where a disc is read by a laser static electricity has no effect on it, that was my point.
Here's a thought. When you build static electricity in your body and touch a ground, you get zapped and the static is gone. So why can't we simply "ground" records to something and remove the static the same way ?.
Because it doesn't, it remains charged. I tried. Moreover, the spindle several times is grounded and touching the record as well as some antistatic brushes.
Zerostat gun really works, but I got negative opinion on them, because mine failed in a month or two. I had to open it and fix it by myself, but for what I found inside, high cost, and unreliable quality, it is not worth it. Definitely would spent those 70 eur somewhere else. Carbon fiber brushes actually remove static, if you hold record in ur hands and gently touch it with the brush. Touching with the brush while record is spinning generates alot static. So far I have best result when I play records which were properly washed, rinsed and vacuumed, even after few years they show me less or completely no problems regarding static.
I like that you're attacking the issue, but here are two problems: 1) You don't see a need to clean your records??? Why??? Use a wet vacuum record cleaner or better, an ultrasonic cleaner (under $200) on ALL your records, new or old!!! Now, you don't need to clean them before _each_ play, but good grief, CLEAN THEM at least once before your stylus hits their grooves! 2) Antistatic sleeves are _conductive_! That's why they dissipate static. That's what ESD packaging is, plastic with a conducting metallized layer to enable charges to dissipate. Please learn more about electronics. Otherwise, I like your work. 🙂
Moving a Talisman thingy over a CD is a great tutorial in snake oil sales skills. I will be delighted to hear an explanation how static electricity interacts with a laser beam. Photons have a zero charge… just a hint 😉
If you not interested look at the other solutions solutions I presented. I am the first to say that it wasn’t very effective in the video. Static interacts with the rotation of the disc. A renowned issue but not a big deal at the end of the day. Nice and easy my biased friend! 😉
@@anadialog I cannot be unbiased - I have a degree in physics, can’t forget all this stuff even if I want to 🤷 and this is why I’m pretty much immune to audiophilia. As a suggestion: why don’t you review a CD demagnetizer next? Believe it or not but such a contraption gained some traction in the 1980s-90s…
I'm down with the Zerostat (I own it and it works) and the sleeves. I went to the Walker Audio website and my lord, what a bunch dookie, I was expecting to see some quartz or other crystalline rocks for sale telling me how the universe will make equipment sound better. What BS.
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Attention! The Zerostat must be pointed and slowly released always towards the record. The old version had different instructions.
I had a Milty Zerostat 3 gun once, but they have a certain lifetime on how many discharges it can deliver.
I managed to wear out mine within 2 years of use to the point it didn't worked at all, even if I tweaked the screw on the piezo-element holder inside the gun.
Ended up buying a vintage battery powered Nagaoka Kilavolt No.103 gun for never needing to replace it again.
It has good reviews, so I'm very excited to test it out when it arrives in my mailbox.😊
Remember the old days of the carbon fiber brush perhaps some are unaware this brush needed to be grounded to the screw of an outlet IT WORKED GREAT if you have one they can be modified with a wire / to brush to outlet LOVE YOUR CHANNEL
Thanks Cosimo...I think I found tue perfect brush, inclusing what you are saying...coming up in part 2!
I love hearing audiophiles talk about electrical engineering and chemistry, you hear the craziest things from them
Explain! We are all ears...literally! ;-)
@@anadialog vinyl records, made of pvc, a material which is insoluble in alchohol so thats not a problem. Other stuff too but they're not relevant to the topic which was discussed
This channel has quickly become one of my favorites! Thanks for the extremely informative content!
What I usually do to reduce static is use a USB charger connected to a wall outlet (so it is grounded) and use the connector end of the cable to touch the dead space on one side of a vinyl disc. In my experience, it doesnt completely get rid of static, but greatly reduces it. I've done this on vinyl emitting static from 5 inches away and gotten the static down until I could feel it about a half inch away.
**Disclaimer** This practice shouldn't damage your vinyl, but am not 100% of the repercussions it may have to the cable itself. However, in personal theory, as long as the cable is connected to a grounded power adapter then it should be fine.
Good idea. You could also get yourself an antistatic wrist strap & lead as used in the electronics production & repair industry. They have a resistor in the lead which prevents you from creating a dead short between your potentially live equipment & earth thus (potentially) electrocuting yourself. They're really cheap, but the downside is, you could catch the cable up on your equipment which would be disastrous if not taken off after use. :-o
Re the Zerostat, i've heard from many people in the hifi industry that they work but, as you say, they're expensive, as for the Talisman "WOW WHAT A LOAD OF SNAKE OIL BOLLOCKS".
The ONLY reason it eliminated static from both your cd & vinyl is because you grounded yourself & the discs by touching them thus discharging any static to ground.
If you want to eliminate static from your discs before you play them, don't wear rubber soled shoes or stand on a carpet when you load them either onto your turntable or into your disc player. If your equipment is properly earthed (grounded), touching the chassis of the player or as you suggested the spindle of the turntable will more than suffice to discharge any accumulated static charge. As another commenter noted, magnets ( of any strength) & cartridges & tape heads are NOT good bedfellows, unless you're very rich & stupid enough to bring them together, in that case you can afford a new component each time the "magnet" is used near them. As for de-magnetising your speaker drivers....... well as they have pretty large magnets inside to make them work, you're wasting your time.
Sorry to rant on so, but this sort of "BAD SCIENCE" is exactly what gives audio & hi-fi enthusiasts a bad name & puts people off investing any amount of money into their music listening equipment. They then go on to purchase an all in one system because it's easier, but not necessarily as enjoyable which,( to me anyway) is what this hobby is all about. Not confusing them with inaccurate information & fleecing them out of their hard earned cash or savings.
Draco, I agree on most of what you said but I must also add that I did not say anything ethusiastic about the Talisman. It did have some results, which I need to further test, but as I said nothing incredible. Surely the expense is way too high for the results. I declare what I feel, see and hear. Noboby is paying me for this...I am just motivated by passion. Moreover, what surprises me is that there are very important reviewers that claim that it is miracolous...at that point, or domething fishy is goig on or I amusing it wrong. Still have to decide.
Touching a non conductive material like plastics of an LP or a CD does not thoroughly remove static electricity by pulling it to ground. Only the touched parts and areas surrounded.
It also depends on how big the charge is, a bigger charge can reach over longer distances to ground. Electrostatic discharges from plastics can reach up to 50kV (or even higher with low humidity air) creating a spark of multiple centimeters towards ground. The other way around is also possible when it is negatively charged, flowing from ground towards the charged object.
The Zerostat actually works to remove static electricity (not to prevent buildup of it). It just ionizes air near its tip.
It uses the same principle as ionized air to remove dust from parts before entering a clean room for example. It's no snake oil, just a very common concept.
I don't know about the other products though.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@anadialog you're welcome.
I can also recommend the Zerostat for use on the turntable dust cover to prevent it from attracting dust.
Cool!
I invented a little arm that you swing across the record before playing, it has a tinfoil curtain that hangs 2mm above the record surface and it grounded to the sub chassis (sprung part), you can make a simple one yourself by simply wrapping a little tin foil on the tone arm on the rear of your cartridge (dont short the connections), shape it so it forms a curtain hanging just above the record surface without touching-the high voltage jump a few mm's anyway, the grounding on the tonearm should be sufficient even if it is painted, as the high voltages from static cross the paint barrier.
Try it and you will see, no more static on your records EVER, whats more I think it improves sound.
Interesting!
Interesting video, glad to hear an honest opinion based on personal experience. Kind of excited me when you played Cannonball Adderly, I just got done with a long listening session with that album, thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a second haha
Ahhaha Thanks!
Hi -an additional "option" to test (if you agree in my theory). According to scientific experiments you are able to knock out the electrons by exposing static charged material to UV-light. If this work, it could be a fast and substance-free cleaning of the static noise of the record. Is it a test worth? It would be my contribution to your well made video of the subject. Thanks 🙂
Interesting!🤔
I finally was able to find and buy that Beatles mono white box set behind you in the video. Not cheap nowadays and very rare and even more expensive on eBay.
Way to go man...I love that set...the only recent AAA set of the fab four! If you haven't, check the vid I made on mono recordings! ua-cam.com/video/m6q2JBOiD80/v-deo.html
Be really careful with the talisman with quartz lock and servo lock turntables! I don't know how yours work, but my sony seems to have a magnetic strip on the perimeter underside the platter, and a sort of tape head fixed on the plinth to read it in order to perfectly time the motor. That means that if you demagnetize that strip completely or partly you can loose or even worse change the speed on part of each turn!
Thank you Marco!! Good to know!
Interesting video! I definitely noticed a big improvement after switching over to anti static sleeves. Thanks for suggesting the Nagaoka Sleeves, when my mofis are all used, I gonna try them, because what you said is pretty accurate: The mofi Sleeves don't fit inside paper sleeves and you often have to cut shorten them or put them side by side into the outer sleeve what sometimes makes it pretty stocky.
Thanks for the tips. Wished the Talisman wasn't so expensive, but I do have the Milty gun!
I swear, everytime he says "Unfortunately", I fear he's about to follow it up with "...it can't be removed".
Clean your vinyl up with a good lp cleaning method and use Gruv Glide, IT is not a gimmick, it is a popular decades old product made in the US ,it keeps the static from building back up and you will hear far more from the vinyl and keeps the need away from having to have major cleanings after you use it . It can last for dozens of plays ...
Great informative video. I have the original "Zerostat" antistatic static pistol (made in the UK), bought it in the early 1970s and still works well. Interesting on using Magnets on a LP, i wonder if an 'Tape Head Demagnitizer' would do the same thing? (i have one for my reel to Reel tape deck). I also have an "Nitty Grtity" (FL5B?) Record Cleaning machine, uses water based fluid and i also use the "Nagaoca" antistatic LP sleeves.
I think the best and easy way to remove static is to use your ion based air purifier. I have a sharp plasmacluser thats stil running 24 hours for 20 years, that puts out positive and negative ions and just showing the record over the vent neutralizes the static and also blows away any minute dust with pure air.
Cool! Thanks for sharing that
Interesting video, beautiful old ATC! I've scm50asl
I seriously love this video a lot! When are you updating the second video on this topic? It's been like forever already. Thanks!
Hi there, thanks for your words. I know I said in a few weeks but I am going to postpone this to tje future. Let's say that I need more time for specific things I had in mind. Sooner or later part 2 will come out, just as for the tape series! :-)
I got the spinclean instead of the Knosti because the fluid seems better value / no alcohol, also cheaper and I like the idea of replaceable cleaning pads, whereas the Knosti has no replacements and I have heard the brushes wear out over time.
Very simple way to get rid of static: Take a cotton dish towel, fold it several times so that you have about a 4 inch section that is now several layers thick. Get a spray bottle that has a fine spray nozzle and spray about 2 inches of that sectionso as to make it damp but not wet. Make sure that it is only damp and not drippy or wet, you dont want to wet the record. Place the record on the table and without activating the table spin the record slowly by hand and lightly apply the damp cloth with no pressure on the surface of the record, just the weight of the damp cloth. Voila static gone. there should be no crackling or clinging of the record to the mat. Do both sides, play record.
Here in Alaska the winters are so dry i have a HUGE problem with static.
"That's dirt not static" from the guy who said he is against cleaning records. 😉
Two notes from watching this. First on the Zerostat, the new ones don’t have great instructions provided but in research I found, you are supposed to squeeze and release the trigger while pointed at the record. Second, with carbon brushes I found that not all are created equal. Out of all the brushes I have, only one had continuity between the bristles and the metal housing which makes me believe that only ones with continuity actually are able to discharge static when touching the spindle.
Yes, I was following the old model instructions. We explained that in the comments and now I will add a fixed comment to clear that. The brush will always charge if you use it while the record is spinning. If you do it by hand then it can help the way you said.
@@anadialog thanks for clarifying on the zerostat. I found info on it was a bit difficult to track down. The instructions with my recent purchase of one were very vague. On the brush note, I have tried it and done some meter tests and it did seem the rotation added charge although on brushes which had continuity between the bristles and the metal body, this charge was discharged when it contacted the spindle and apparent static was also discharged. That being said, of all the brushes I had, only one had continuity which makes the rest of them counter productive. If you haven’t already, it would be a good video to test different brushes and then test their effect both with a stationary record and one spinning.
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Do you wash your new records?? I like to use a Roller Cleaner such as that yellow one you had in the video.
Not really, only old ones...
I have a roller washer, and along with dust, they seem to be completely static free when they come out. I usually use it on a new record and then store them in the poly style sleeves.
Here's the best audio tip ever:
Don't bring any magnets near any of your music media or equipment.
Also keep your speakers, that contains magnets, away from your media and other equipment.
Magnets don't eliminate electrostatics but they do decay magnetic tapes, induce voltages in your equipment and magnetize many of the metals in your equipment.
To demagnetize your tape player heads you nead a specialized degaussing tool that generates a localised high frequency magnetic field using a coil.
If you suspect electrostatics building up in your equipment you can use earthing wrist straps (ESD wrist strap) and anti static mats (ESD mats) to get rid of it.
High humidity is great for preventing static buildup; unfortunately is isn't so great for storage and mold prevention.
Indeed! :-))
Hi ana[dia]log, thanks for the video. You are the perfect Gentleman, everything or anything which you are explaining convincingly. This is the first time I watched the demo for how the Static Gun to properly be used. So far, no one did explain in any videos. Thanks a lot. But, please let us know that : How many points on the record to be treated? or just any one of the area? Are both sides of the record to be treated?
When using Talisman, should both sides to be treated? Is it safe with the MC cartridges?
You did say that alcohol solutions are not good for vinyl, then which solution you do recommend? How about 'The Disc Doctor's Quick Wash Record Cleaner' & L' Art du Son Record Cleaning Liquid?
Kindly explain in detail for all my doubts.
With Best Regards,
Naresh.
Hello Victor, thank you for your nice message and excuse me if I did not go enough in depth on every aspect but I am trying to make shorter videos.
Here are the answers to your questions:
The milty gun can be used above the record while it is spinning. At about the distance of an arm from the record surface. Yes, do this for each face of the record for each time you play it. The Talisman must be used on both sides in the way I have shown in the video. This treatment should last longer than the gun. But if you use a brush you need to do it again ( in my opinion). Keep the talisman AWAY fron any tipe of cartridges! For the cleaning solutions please check the video I mentioned when I was discussing about the Knosti. L'Art du son concentrated solution is alcohol free and it is probably one if the best out there. I don't think that these have anti-static properties though.
Thank you dear friend. Cheers.
Should one be careful of the Talisman and its magnets when near cartridges? Thanks for another great presentation!
After some time, I must admit that I would not recommend the Talisman anymore. The results are minimal compared to the absurd price. To answer your question, yes, be very careful!
@@anadialog Thanks my friend!
PVC has excellent resistance to I said propyl alcohol less so with ethanol though
Great video ! Thank you !
Thank YOU!
Before and after test would be Nice, especially with the vinyl.
Maybe I will go back and do that...several asked...
Warning! Watching Ana[dia]log videos can be expensive. But worth it. The MiltyPro ZeroStat 3 is great! While I wouldn't go the $200 for the Talisman, the Milty really works (and there are plenty of videos on UA-cam to show this). Fluids leave residue no matter how clean you try to get them, but the ZeroStat really is the best solution. Now costing about $72 on Amazon, what is your listening pleasure worth? Thanks for the informative video. My wallet is thinner now, too.
I agree...although the Talisman has other features, the results don't justify that high price.
I want to share my experience concerning static ... understanding what happens will solve many misunderstandings of static electricity. It is without a doubt movement of electrons (the visual spark and jolt felt) the reason it has the name static is because it is in fact stationary no movement AT ALL until something with less electrons get close enough that has an imbalance then the above spark, pop and jolt can be felt if you are what the electrons flow to (or from). Static build up inside a CD player or on CDs is something I don't understand as even possible the reflective layer wouldn't allow it to build up inside the CD machine itself would keep it drawn away simply because it is constantly grounded. In my opinion that is the same as alleged stabilization rings that became popular shortly after CD player came out, the claim was perfect balanced CDs played and sounded better. It was SNAKE OIL as well as an absolute useless product that could even damage a CD player if used improperly. As long as a CD player can keep the data rate close the DAC would correct ANY WOW and Flutter that an out of balance disk could potentially cause electrons have nothing at all to do with a CD and the fact that a laser detector is seeing light from the laser or not as mentioned earlier static CANNOT build up inside the player in the 1st place. The other comment about that was clearly stated as well. I would love to know how in the world a magnet can affect static electricity in my 50 plus years of living and having an interest in electronics I have NEVER in my life heard of a permanent magnet doing anything concerning static electricity, discharging it or otherwise. I wouldn't even know how to test the idea of it to prove either way.
I have to agree, it got so nutty with the waving of a magnet around the speakers that I wanted to comment, but couldn't manage it in a polite way. The guy should educate himself on how human hearing works before he promotes nonsense publicly , human hearing it is subjective process of the mind, designed to say "yes" if you think you hear something, a better answer evolved for survival against being eaten, and the reason why hearing tests have a scoring system that includes a presumed percentage of errors , to achieve an accurate test.
It’s the same idea as a demagnetizer used on tools… it’s a set of magnets oriented to scatter the positive and negative poles.
Precious as always, thanks!!
Thanks, a very good video indeed! But I wonder if not the Talisman might be a bit dangerous for a record player such as your Technics (I myself own a SL1200gr). I mean, there is a strong magnet just beneath the platter and, as I see it, you shouldn't risk to "decrease"or "alter" its magnetism in any form (e.g. with a Talisman). Am I right or not?
As mentioned in other comments, after further use the benefits are just not enough compared to the expens. Apart from that, I don't think so. I am pretty sure this was calculated. In any case it would be better to keep it stored far and use it fast!
Hi , I was wondering why You Did not do a before and after comparison on the vinyl record?
Hello, you mean for the milty? There are already several videos showing the effectiveness of this...
Damn i got into this hobby just to listen to some old vinyl, now im finding out i have to go thru a 35 minute pre listening ritual just to eliminate a couple could be crackles or pops. Not to mention whatever table you buy someone thinks its garbage, Ugh
Just enjoy yourself bro. Whatever you're doing I'd probably fine if you're just a small time hobbiest. Don't get discouraged.
Getting into vinyl can be a deep rabbit hole, but it doesn't have to be. It really depends on the person and how deep they want to get into it.
Some people only have a Crosley suitcase style record player with built-in speakers. It doesn't take up much space and it plays records. And if that's what makes them happy, it's all good! 😁👍 Who cares what other people think or say? Not everybody wants to or can afford to invest thousands in stereo equipment. And not everybody wants to get all obsessive about it 🤷♂️
Really, the most important thing is to have fun and enjoy yourself! But once somebody REALLY gets into vinyl, they will often want to upgrade their system. They start to notice the shortcomings of cheaper equipment such suitcase record players with built in speakers 🤔 Or perhaps they just want more power to vibrate the walls 🤯
the liquid that comes with the disco ant stat machine which i assume is the same as the one shown here is terrible for cleaning a record wand will fill records with gunk dont use it for any purpose! haven't used the talisman but the zero stat is around $70usd & has been used by pros for a long time & probably the way to go if you not have $300 to spend
Can I use the Walker Talisman to demagnetize my cassette heads?
No, I wouldn't do that!
I would be curious to see measurements of its efficacy in a measured, objective experiment. I retired my Zerostat in favor of a Furutech piece that is significantly more effective based on both measured results (device that reads static charge on LP's) and confirmed by my use of it. I'm currently trying out the DS Audio deionizer which actually sits by your turntable and discharges static as it occurs. Removing the static pre playing does not solve the problem since the act of playing it creates static - Hence the frequent occurrence of a felt mat coming off the platter with the record. By the way, I would much rather have a very low concentration of alcohol on my records than any kind of coating.
I have noticed that the new 180g vinyl attracts a lot of dust, thinner discs stay clean a lot longer.
Same.
Agree!
Hi ! Thanks for this video but where is part II ?
Issues occurred....hopefully I will issue part 2 soon!
Is the cartridge ruined once you get that static hmmm? If it can be repaired, will a magnet help?
What about a tape head demagnatizer wand seems like a similar concept🤔
That eliminates magnetic fields, we want to eliminate static electricity
Static Electricity unfortunately is generated in vinyl simply by the rotation of the earth. There is a lot you do that effects static build up. First Cleaning of the record, then before putting it in an antistatic inner sleeve, I use an antistatic gun a few times. Then before playing I again use the antistatic gun. But it doesn't end there because static will build again while playing, the gun only have an effect for a few minutes. So I added a Furutech SK-filter to my record player which continually decharge the record while playing.
Do not use antistatic fluids and film solutions, it works for a while but is in the long run not good for your record.
Finally. Static pops is not the main problem made by static charge. A properly discharged vinyl has less noise. The static charge is continually discharging into your pick-up, always, and it sounds like background noise, like pink noise, or close to regular surface noise. With something like the SK-filter that noise is clearly and noticeable reduced.
Well said! That is way the talisman (shoud last longer).
How can one get rid of the static charge in the pick up? Mine is giving me little electro shocks each time I lift it, it's so annoying!
Woah! Are you sure your turbtable is grounded? Seems we are talking about current and not static electricity...if not, try using the Milty gun!
Yes, absolutely sure! It's grounded. When I say little electro shocks I mean a spark that hits me, just like the one you get when you rub your shoes on a carpet and you touch someone.
Check part 2 of the video upcoming in july!
Bybybe Gnostic expensive solution (started from 10 eur the bottle now the 30 eur the bottle)…I use 1/4 alcool and 3/4 distilled water same result never an issue,same silence and static result 😊
Laser's don't read dust or static, What's the point.
Static electricity that may build up on digital discs do interfere with the laser reading and creates issues that reduces the quality of the sound. In the future I will present other products for cd's that have even more positive impact.
How? To my knowledge the CD protocol has error correction during reading. Also, the redbook CD player standard states that a CD player has to be able to read the data off of the disk without interruption even if there is a gap in there below a certain length. (Scratches, dust, etc.)
I must admit that I do not know how it technically interferes but it does. Since solution that remove static, or even light!, do have a posite effect of the sound. I will make a video on this in the future.
Have you blind tested it? This product really fits the definition of snake oil. (This thing here will improve literally everything you rub it on!) I'm not qualified to make any final judgements since I'm not a physicist but I still have a reasonable understanding of physics and some of the company's statements raise a lot of red flags for me. Anyhow, you really should confirm whether it is placebo or not.
I will do that, i did claim that i rid nit hear any difference on the cables, while on the cd a slight improvement. Surely not sufficient to acceot such s high cost. Nevertheless, I am still testing...in any case the focus of the video is ststic on vinyl records. Digital is a bonus!
When is the anti static platter being invented. Or anti static place mat.
They exist but the problem is the record that charges up again!
5:00 I'm with you on that.
Where did get the idea you have to release the zerostat away from the record? the zerostat should be released above the record, pull is positive ions, release gives negatives..(says manual)
In an earlier version you were supposed to discharge the gun away from the record. I discovered recently that this has changed...God knows why! In any case, it works in both ways fortunately!
Hi, what is the name of the Blue Note LP playing on your turntable for the Talisman test? Enjoy your videos. Keep 'em coming.
Thank you Jim! I wm away now but I think it wad Lou Donaldson Blues Walk....
Thanks. I'm a new subscriber. Enjoy your videos very much. Keep it up. Kindest regards, J
It's Play Ray by Lou Donaldson 🤓
For years, I used an antistatic gun designed for vinyl static. It used to zap the record neutralizing any static instantly.
Sadly after many years of usage it stopped working. I'm looking for a replacement, but no luck so far.
Hi Chris, may I ask why the Milty Zerostat 3 gun does not suit you?
ana[dia]log
It does. I wasn't aware of this device ... Looks very similar. A bit pricey though. Even on eBay, but worth it if it lasts as long and performs as well. Thanks for pointing this out 👍
For some reason I missed your mention of it during this video. I must have been making the tea 😀
Oh ok...good! Yes, it is very good. I have been using it for over 10 years now!
And there is static on your body as well which affects the sound. I wear a special anti static suit that cancels its effects on my system.
True!
Alcohol flashes off too quickly, especially the low amounts that may be included with such products.
The alcohol helps speed up the flashing (drying) of products that use water in their formula.
I wouldn't worry about it too much.. there are bigger issues to worry about then .5% alcohol in a cleaning solution.
Part II should have been released in July. Is it still coming ???
There was a problem. Waiting to collect new info. If it is not high quality content, I prefer not to release it...
@10:04
Yes, the Talisman is a magnet.
No, it is not a strong magnet, and by no stretch of the imagination is it a very strong magnet.
Will it lift a paper clip?
When I get back home I will try! I can only say that when it gets close to my loudspeaker drives it really starts to pull!
My guess is that that is due to the magnet that controls the the drivers in your speakers. You are probably feeling the pull from your speaker's magnets.
By the way, I purchased the Talisman ~5 years ago. But I cannot find mine, in order to test its strength. I stopped using mine, because, although it works, I just got tired of the time and effort needed each and every time I played a disk. Now it is M.I.A. :-(
By the way#2:
Magnets come in all strengths, from weak refrigerator magnets, to strong neodymium magnets that can break your skin, to very strong neodymium magnets that will crush bones.
This is one such magnet:
www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52
Where is part 2??
I think you have to avoid using the Talisman with burned cds or dvds cause that could destroy the recording.
You're 100% correct - many recordable cd's/dvd packets include a warning to keep away from strong magnets.......that's there for a REASON!
Interesting!
@@museonfilm8919 The data on a CD gets stored chemically - the laser destroys/'bubbles up' a chemical so it changes colour. A magnet does not influence the non-magnetic chemicals. If this was not a joke by the original poster anyway, the reason is that once a magnet is stuck to a CD, taking it off again may scratch/rip the surface of the CD carrying the data on it's underside. Otherwise, holding a magnet next to a CD does nothing.
with the ZERO Stat do you ever have to rezap the record? will the record ever develop static again?
The zap lasts for one play, and the zap is necessary for each side. This is if you clean it with a brush or just have static in your environment...
Of course static will build up as the any movement causes more charging of static electricity same as walking over a carpet with shoes that generate static as you walk you will get zapped EVERYTIME you touch the metal door knob. Vinyl is a plastic and as it is brushed for dust removal it will gain static the same way.
Klaudui ultrasonic cleaning
Anti static sleeves
Do a before and after
Ok it all sounds great really like this guy, but why not show us what it sounded like before so we could tell what it sounded like before using it
Nice wooden tables
What Blue Note record is that you played? :D
Lou Donaldson Blues Walk
Another very good, informative video. However, most of the static electricity happens to be on carpeted floor. Furthermore, static electricity is abundant during the winter season. That zerostat thing appears to be efficient, but how does it work? Again, great videos on the vinyl realm of high fidelity.
I agree!! The carpet is a real killer. Going to mention that in the second vid. The zerostat is a based on piezoelectric technology. A crystal is stimulated to rwlease negative and positive iones...i works like a charm!
@ 13:45 , you forgot to say the magic spell: "Lirum larum löffelstiel, kostet viel und bringt nicht viel!" This is necessary for this Thing to reveal it?s power! ;-) ^^
I want some of what you're smokin'!
@@halfpack69 That doesn´t help against static load. It even sounds similar to those crinkling... lol...when you squeeze the bag...
can I use regular magnet
Try! I don't think it is powerful enough.
It is literally impossible for a magic talisman to increase the fidelity of an optical disc. Digital media fundamentally does not work that way, period.
Either it works or it doesn't. Ones and zeros.
The talisman ain't that good considering how much it costs.
What I can say is that it is not just 1s and 0s, I wish it was so. Just consider the enormous amount and types of filtering that digital audio has you immediately understand that digital is very far from perfect and linear.
@@anadialog Ok but the filtering happens on the DAC, not on the reading of the disc. The information on the disc is literally just 1s & 0s. Anything you actually hear has been converted to analogue (an electrical signal), by guess what, the digital to analogue converter (DAC).
LMAO @ the talisman
$325 for snakeoil and looking at how careful you have to be with it. F that.
Spray the carpet where you stand with fabric anti static spray. Lasts weeks. Alcohol can't ruin lps. It evaporates to fast.
Hi, are you still using the Talisman? Are you noticing differences with both LPs and CDs?
Can I be honest? No. I am just too lazy and the benefits were subtle.
ANA[DIA]LOG thank you sir., you have saved me £200
what is the "secret" method you mention? I checked the other video's and couldn't find it.
The truth? I though I had discovered an effective method but it turned out not to be so...but I will do a Volume 2 in the future with other methods, tools and practices to fight this issue...promise!
I assume your live in the PAL region by the 720p 50fps?
Yes, Italy!
ana[dia]log haha, I was right!
Where’s part 2?
It's still in the closet...one day...one day...
I only hear static (pops, crackles etc) when I touch the metal tonearm. No hum. Ground wires are connected. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!
That is strange...use the Milty gin also on the arm...it works on anything...plus, get rid of your carpet or move it...
@@anadialog I ordered the Milty so I'll give it a try. Thanks!
Cool!
part 2?
Got delayed...but it is upcoming!
5:26:That's what I'm hearing too, but could it be coming from something else ....
Where's part II??
Still in my head. I was supposed to make it shortly after but I had to stop the production because the idea behind it turned out to be faulty. Maybe una day...
You do realize alcohol evaporate. So how would it eat your records on long
term?
True but it may bond with the other molecules and remain on the surface, in any case even those few seconda might 'eat' a little bit of plastic...not worth the risk as Michael Fremer said...
Complete and utter audiophoolary! How on earth did you get static onto your CD? Static charge ends up on records from the friction from the stylus making contact with the record groove. Compact discs are a contactless system. Place a toilet paper sheet on the CD at an angle, I'm betting 100% that the paper slides right off. No static!
I've enjoyed quite a few of your other videos, but this was sad to see. I thought it was a joke at first.
Don't believe my word...check for yourself and you will discover that static does affect cd's and more specifically it creates issues in the rotation...
How do I check exactly? My system clamps the CD to the spindle which in turn is connected to a motor. Even if there was static electricity on the disc (which there's not) it wouldn't be strong enough, or close enough to to the motor to affect it. Even if there was an effect the data correction system built into the redbook standard would correct for it.
With your clamping system the effects are surely reduced, I agree! Here are just a few reliable things I have found on static electricity and CDs: www.enotes.com/homework-help/when-do-you-wipe-compact-disc-with-clean-cloth-why-441237
And
forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cds-static-milty-zaperator-walker-talisman-anti-static-spray.545659/
In any case, static builds up on records also by just handling them, taking them out of the jacket and using brushes (even if they claim they are anti-static). Plus, dry sir and rugs under your feet will enhance the problem...
Andrew Lamb I have no evidence of this exact process but your assumption that record static comes only from contact between stylus and record isn’t true. It comes from carpet, sleeve friction, and other sources. Analogy: Clothes don’t develop a charge just because we wear them on our bodies. You might also live in a moist area with tile floors, etc. where static is much less of a problem.
The Eccentric Hobbyist I didn’t say it only comes from there. In a contactless system where a disc is read by a laser static electricity has no effect on it, that was my point.
Be careful listening to this guy, I ended up buying a Luxman L-10 after watching him ( amazing amp)
Here's a thought.
When you build static electricity in your body and touch a ground, you get zapped and the static is gone.
So why can't we simply "ground" records to something and remove the static the same way ?.
Because it doesn't, it remains charged. I tried. Moreover, the spindle several times is grounded and touching the record as well as some antistatic brushes.
Zerostat gun really works, but I got negative opinion on them, because mine failed in a month or two. I had to open it and fix it by myself, but for what I found inside, high cost, and unreliable quality, it is not worth it. Definitely would spent those 70 eur somewhere else. Carbon fiber brushes actually remove static, if you hold record in ur hands and gently touch it with the brush. Touching with the brush while record is spinning generates alot static. So far I have best result when I play records which were properly washed, rinsed and vacuumed, even after few years they show me less or completely no problems regarding static.
Why not just use a refridgerator magnet.
Getting kind of old hearing the word vinyl next to records. They`re records!
Well, let's say it's good to underline for the newbies what we are talking about! ;-)
Not all records are vinyl. Old 78s are shellac, and I have 7" and 12" records that are styrene.
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I know!....forgive me!...maybe more...😔
LOL!!!!!! Obviously a Total Recal (the original) fan. Well.done .
Part 2???
I did not do it yet, because a major problem occurred...but I will do it in the future...
I like that you're attacking the issue, but here are two problems:
1) You don't see a need to clean your records??? Why??? Use a wet vacuum record cleaner or better, an ultrasonic cleaner (under $200) on ALL your records, new or old!!! Now, you don't need to clean them before _each_ play, but good grief, CLEAN THEM at least once before your stylus hits their grooves!
2) Antistatic sleeves are _conductive_! That's why they dissipate static. That's what ESD packaging is, plastic with a conducting metallized layer to enable charges to dissipate.
Please learn more about electronics. Otherwise, I like your work. 🙂
5:00: Sure does.....
I would be afraid with the Talisman near my tapes or tape drives, computer HDD or most any thing in my studio! Z.K.
Indeed!
WRONG! You are supposed to keep the Zerostat gun pointed at the LP to release negative ions.
Its not wrong actually. The old zerostat model had to be released away from the record. Now they changed that...why? Who knows...
Moving a Talisman thingy over a CD is a great tutorial in snake oil sales skills. I will be delighted to hear an explanation how static electricity interacts with a laser beam. Photons have a zero charge… just a hint 😉
If you not interested look at the other solutions solutions I presented. I am the first to say that it wasn’t very effective in the video. Static interacts with the rotation of the disc. A renowned issue but not a big deal at the end of the day. Nice and easy my biased friend! 😉
@@anadialog I cannot be unbiased - I have a degree in physics, can’t forget all this stuff even if I want to 🤷 and this is why I’m pretty much immune to audiophilia. As a suggestion: why don’t you review a CD demagnetizer next? Believe it or not but such a contraption gained some traction in the 1980s-90s…
I should use other word then special , but here goes . You are "special" and you make videos for "special" viewers.
loving the videos, but you look a bit too comfortable with that gun.i hope you won,t make me an offer I can,t refuse.ciao.
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humidification of nearby air is one cheap solution
Buy a KLaudio ultrasonic record cleaner and use it 0:20
Have a Degritter now
I'm down with the Zerostat (I own it and it works) and the sleeves. I went to the Walker Audio website and my lord, what a bunch dookie, I was expecting to see some quartz or other crystalline rocks for sale telling me how the universe will make equipment sound better. What BS.
I am just reporting its presence...I agree, now that I have used it more I must say that the results, considering the price, is way too low...
@@anadialog thanks man. I still check out your videos and I appreciate your work.
Thanks!
I think that was static. lol.
That’s what I thought