Simagic P2000 Long Term Review | Hydraulic Load Cell Pedals
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- This pedals set was sent to me free of charge by Simwear.eu
Start: 0:00
1. Introduction: 0:50
2. First Impressions: 1:34
3. Price: 4:27
4. Installation - Hardware: 6:07
5. Installation - Software: 7:40
6. Throttle: 8:45
7. Clutch: 10:05
8. Brake: 11:13
9. Baseplate: 13:44
10. Final Thought: 14:24
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These are def on my short wish list of upgrades, I love the amount of adjustability to really dial in my preferences. Attractive price point value for what it is.
yeah there's just enough adjustability and not too much to boggle the mind. I'm very impressed.
Great review Laurence, as per usual. Was eying the Sprints but I will find it hard to pass these up when the time comes. Keep em coming.
Yeah I'd have these over the sprints too
Detailed look at a pretty serious bit of kit. Super handy if I was thinking about going hydraulic. Nice work LD. 👍🏻
Thanks Colin! Yeah it's a lovely set
Amazing review Laurence, your quality just keeps improving!
Thanks so much! I would love a better camera with in body stabilisation but we can't have it all :p
@@LaurenceDusoswa quality is very nice, don't notice any excessive shaking
Quality review! Just ordered a set!
NICE! Thanks for the kind words! Enjoy them!
helpful as always Laurence!
Nice one ! Thanks for the comment
Laurence , good review . I have some comments having driven these for 3 months .I have no problems with my Simagic alpha mini base and GT1 wheel. It is as Laurence said, exemplary for it's price . Great ffb , feel and detail. For the pedals though, initially I was happy but I think Chinese companies in general suffer from QC problems especially when they have to ramp up manufacturing quantity. The adjust nut for the preload for my brake was machined completely off axis. And not by a little , it was so off axis in it's screw thread . If you say 90 degrees is perfectly vertical , this was at 60 degrees. The brake Loadcell and hydraulic pressure though was faultless now having driven it about 3 months. Tiny squeak all through it but no fluid leak or bleed. The accelerator pedal damping though, now in 3 months has bled and is much softer now. The damping was initially very strong. At setting , 6 you had very stiff damping. After 3 months use, the 6 is now like a 3 or 2 , it's that loose. The damping mechanism is for sure a stellar feature , when it works properly. Probably the seal's quality is lacking hence it's lack of long reliability. Maybe when I send mine for warranty change it will be ok but for now I just drive it with the lesser damping. What kind of surprised me was these problems cropping up in a euro 799 set. Is it supposed to happen ? Is this 'high end'.
Also from the very beginning, the damping response curve is very shallow from 1-4. 5 and 6 suddenly get very stiff. 1-4, there is not much difference between them .
The rest of the good features, TBF are as Laurence said. If you get a set with good QC then you won't have any of these issues. Also I think the damping response curve, I think is by design, though not a very good one to me.
If you don't get a good QC set, Otherwise be prepared to have a lot of back and forth with your reseller who so far have been good about problems at least in my case. They just offer a straight swap of the problem pedal (s), so far ( still under warranty ). The SW tuning is also a good plus.
I wonder what accelerator fluid they use .. if I knew maybe I could just refill the cylinder and bring the pressure back up. No idea if it's mineral oil or dot 3/4/5?
Great comment! Thanks for sharing!
Having said all that I am happy with the pedals (5 month update). The brakes are the main thing and they are great. You can choose from 6 springs from 4 different stiffness to get the stiffness on the brakes' hydro cylinder feel that u want. The accelerator pedal I can adjust the cotter pin to stiffen it and so the damping doesn't really come into the issue. all 3 pedals stiffness can be easily adjusted for easier or stiffer pressure by adjusting the length of the leverage as held by the cotter pins. I would still recommend it. Reseller service has been great.
Hey Ken, how have the pedals been performing? Any reliability issues? They look and seem like a great deal, but reliability of the brake and accelerator pedals have me worrying.
Id rather spend twice as much for heusinkveld's hydraulic pedals if reliability is an issue with these Simagic's
@@AndreBrah Would like to know as well now almost 1 year later, I kinda want to go with these pedals but the QC problems are driving my off a little bit
@@valfar9999 i ended up getting the VRS pedals, no regrets, for 700€ you get a nice and reliable set of pedals, probably one of the best feeling brakes under 1k (at least thats what the community says and i cant deny it) i think the hydraulic is more of a gimmick than anything
The reseller in my country doesn't even offer these due to the issues (they say). Very interested in these. Never had issues with my Alpha and I'm sure any issues with the pedals will be taken care of. Just waiting on availability here.... Another great review my friend.
Simagic reacts quickly to issues and usually by the time my reviews are out, they've already fixed some/all of them. Thanks for the kind words
really like your videos, I'm upgrading to Simagic rig this year, and would love to see your guide on FFB settings and ALpha managers
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I have a set of these and Lawrence’s view is nearly spot on.
With the brake face coming loose, I’d suggest he uses the silver bolts that are holding down the pedals to fasten the faces, as you can torque them easier. The black bolts also match the pedals so look better.
With regard to the control box you can hide it much easier if you pass the cables through the spare long slots in the baseplate (they just pass through with a bit of patience). This cleans up the set up immensely and the box is easier to hide.
It also looked like his pedal was starting to leak. I’m waiting for a new throttle pedal from the retailer as mine leaks too.
Thanks for the great comment
@@LaurenceDusoswa Small update. Got my replacement throttle damper from the distributor, easy to fit and the old leaky one now sits on the desk as an ornament!
@@ringo348tb Awesome to hear the distributor does business correctly !
Yup mine does too.. looking around I think that batch had it's issues? For mine 3 months ago. The reseller offered a replacement of the throttle pedal
Great review about a great product. This one is a real competition for the loadcell pedals. After this review you can really go for a hydraulic pedalset instead of a loadcell. Keep up the good work sir
these are using load cells.
@@spiralmoment and hydraulic
@@flugel1983 yes I know what they are. You're the one who seemed confused.
Great vid. I purchased a set after your initial unboxing. Love them, though i had an issue with two of the wires for the load cell installed in the reverse location. You push brake and the signal went down, not up, but that was a quick fiv. Love them as well as the alpha mini. Will be interested to see if they release a handbrake as the control box has a spot for it. Keep up the great content and see you in tomorrow's stream.
Thanks so much
There has been some pics floating arround from an expo or something of their handbrake. So its definetly in the works. Just a matter of time when it will be out officially and come to the western market.
Nice review! Acc. to a review in the iRacing forum it seems that the brake fluid is Silicon oil with a viscosity of 350, which is harmless and self-lubricating. Good design decision. With the newer batch the side-play of the pedals is fully gone (new batches to be recognised by the red washers). My throttle has a little bit of an initial stiction (break away torque). Do you know if that goes away after a while? Did you test it with RaceRoom? Some say Raceroom doesn't detect the pedals. I wished they had the baseplate also in black.
the black baseplate could probably look better, but id also imagine it to look worse with some wear on it especially when wearing shoes. My sprints for example show a lot of wear which doesnt look great, if the plate would be black id have 3 massive exposed metal spots which wouldnt look to great.
I didn't test in raceroom, no. I had suspicions about the fluid too because it didn't damage anything when i spilled some, but simagic told me that it was in fact brake fluid :p I didn't experience the throttle issue you describe. Apologies for the late reply!
What spring and hydraulic setting did you decide on?
great review..i bought the invicta..and still waiting..still waiting... so ima buy these ones too since i can have these in a week..but my real question was on the break 100 or 200 or 100 wait 200 ya..no uhm..at the end of the day i think the 100 is gonna be fine i rarely get to pub talk these daze..so ya thanks for review ..i had watched your comparison video right after i pre ordered my invictas...still waiting.. have recieved all my fanatech and moza but cant use either because no pedals.(im stuck with my TMX thrustmaster great intro wheel)..still waiting lol ..cheers mate
Hahaha Nice! Hahahaa 100 is fine for me. What DD are you gonna get?
Great review again, I do really love how they look. Seeing as this three pedal kit is less expensive in comparison with even the 2 pedal kit from Asetek, how would you compare them? Is the added value for the Invincta's worth it, or is there only a small gain in the feel/quality?
He made comparsion with them in different video
@@aczech12 Oh yeah, I even watched that 😂 Completely forgot, thanks for reminding me!
I've had these for a couple months now and the review is spot on. I only disagree with one thing, I'd get the 200kg load cell.
I have my brake pedal calibrated with 100% at 114kg. Of course if I had 100kg I would adapt to having these at 100kg and most certainly after some time I'd be fine with that, but if you're spending nearly a grand in some pedals you probably don't want to do compromises with the brake.
How have you measured the 114kg?
@@LaurenceDusoswa I maxed out the sensor in the calibration and run it at 57%. The 114kg measurement won't be that precise but should be around there.
Funny thing, the kg values in simpro manager are higher and can't be trusted, if you set 100% and max the sensor it shows up to 347kg of force being applied which is obviously wrong.
Great review! I wanted these and went with Meca cup 1s instead any big difference ?
Cup 1s are nice set, biggest difference is in brake feel - LC to hydraulic.
Yeah honestly, I'm not sure which ones I'd pick. the Cup1s are amazing in many ways. So are these P2000s. It's a narrow gap between them. If I genuinely had to choose 1 set to use forever more, I'd probably choose the simagics. I think the simagic pedals have gone to #1 for me.
So After months of research and asking questions I finally pulled the trigger. I will soon be an owner of a Simagic Alpha wheelbase and the Simagic P2000 2 pedal set. I'm beyond excited. I will be upgrading from a G923. What the hell am I in for with this setup ?
You’ll love it! Plenty of adjustment to make them heavier when the time comes and if you want to
I'm looking to replace my V3's Fanatec pedals
There are so many options.
1 - they will be floor mounted.
2 - I play most of the time, F1 / open wheel cars.
What's the difference between Simagic P1000 and P2000?
Everyone is talking about the P1000 haptic motors.
I've read / seen / some UA-cam videos, they are pretty loud.
Is that true ?
How is the stiffness difference between P1000 and P2000 ?
No matter what I purchase, there will be a 2 set pedals.
What would you recommend, guys, for about 800 - 900 euro? PC only
Thank you in advance
Wich ones are better ? Simmagic p2000 or VRS direct force pro?
Did anyone test both?
Awesome video! Do you have a link for the adapter to run Simucube wheel on the Simagic base?
I'm not sure which adapter you mean
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'm sorry got turned around great video!
@@kbsmithgaming9560 cheers ❤️
I bought these for a couple of reason. I've been dreaming of HE Sprints forever, but these were 200$ less (Counting the extra plate needed for the Sprints). I've been using a button load cell on the G29 Brake, so I know this will last. Also like the springs better than the elastomer in this brake configuration. The damper on the throttle was the last big option that made up my mind. And boy do I appreciate that throttle.
I own Sprints and I wish I bought P2000s. I keep kicking myself every time I see P2000s.
@@OculusDrift you can always sell sprints and get these :)
@@aczech12 I've already lost like €500 by buying Fanatec gear, realising it sucks, and moving to Immsource.
At least the Sprints don't suck :D
These would be my choice too but 99% of people who buy sprints will be more than happy with them and never see a need to 'upgrade'
ah that's a pity. My recommendation to you would be to try to get somewhere where you can try the P2000s. They may not be as much better as you think. Also, experiment with the elastomer setup in your sprints. There may be performance in there that you haven't found because what you're doing is 'good enough' for your needs. I would not be willing to bet that if 10 people tried the p2000 vs the sprints side by side, that they would all choose one over the other. That's worth bearing in mind too.
Hi! I am looking tu buy the p2000 pedals or the heusinkveld ultimate + set. I don t know if the extra money could make a difference in terms of quality and lap times. Could you give me your honest opinion? What would you choose? I am also looking for a direct drive, simucube 2 pro or simagic ultimate.
I haven’t reviewed the HE ultimate +. Hop into my discord and we can help you to decide because there are owners of all sorts of hardware there
What's maintenance like on this. Do you need to replace the fluids or bleed the brakes periodically?
Not as far as I’m aware. I didn’t experience this anyways
I would like a clutch spring that is stronger than the stiffest one provided. Does anyone have a source for one that might fit/work?
I haven't seen anyone do this, no :(
Awesome review thanks so much. Based on this I bought a set and they arrived today. I’m having trouble finding the software package. It would be greatly appreciated if you could point me in the right direction?
Head to www.simagic.com/#/PageMainEn/PageDownloadEn ;)
@@LaurenceDusoswa You're a legend mate thanks so much! Keep up the good work
would it be fine to put the 100kg pedals on a Next level racing F-GT (not the elite or lite versions) rig?
Well 100kg is just the ability of the load cell, it doesn’t mean that your max force needs to be 100kg. You can still get a LOT of benefit from a load cell pedal like this even if you’re only applying 10-15kg. As for the rig itself, I don’t have any experience with the ones you mention so can’t give a definitive answer.
Man i wanna go hydraulic but kinda put off at the amount of potential setup. How different do these feel from the sprints? My simagic handbrake still isn't dialed in exactly how i want it
There is no more or less setup than with the sprints. These are actually easier to adjust from my experience.
is the control box a rasberry pie device? looks like one!!
Looks very like one :p
Has the leak problem been "definitely" solved ? I'm really wanting to give those pedals a go but I'm a bit scared of that
Was wondering between these and the Asetek forte but can't decide myself
I haven't heard of many people with issues since initial release
Very hype , I do love my P2000 pedals (long Accel, 200kg) even more than my Alpha Mini lol.
One tip you can always upgrade up to the 200kg LC , and long accel pedal but can't buy the normal sized pedal.
Yep I can upgrade for sure, I just don't feel i need to.
@@LaurenceDusoswa it's just a regret of mine, I'd like to be able to have both 🫡
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Id get in contact with your distributor if its important to you and you really want it. They keep stock on some replacement parts like for warenty reasons but Id imagine they probably be willing to sell you a pedal plate too if you so desired one. If anything they can probably order you one through simagic.
so after a few months now would you still choose the Simagic pedals over the Heusinkveld Sprints ?
Yep
@@LaurenceDusoswa what worry's me about the Simagic pedals is the whole Hydraulic fluid thing and I hear stories about it leaking and connectivity issues. Did you experience any of that.
Does that breather hole on the brake mean you can't invert these? Or can you just flip the reservoir upside down?
These cannot be inverted without modification and fabrication work.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Maybe it's a good thing I chose the Sprints then 😅
@@OculusDriftnot really sprints aren’t that great and bland. Could get p1000 with inverted hydraulic brake and now they are releasing a hydraulic throttle also. Heusinkveld hasn’t done or updated shit since day one that they released, same cheap finish and everything looks the same.
Heusinkveld Sprint or Simagic P2000?
Simagic for me
They look great. I would've liked to see a lip on the baseplate to rest your heels against.
Yep something like that would be great! Thanks for the comment
I'm on a verge of buying them.. can someone express their experience especially with Leaks and bleeding Please Help me
There are lots of happy owners in my discord. Feel free to pop in and ask. I've not heard of any leak or bleeding issues
Nice review.
For sure Simagic and other similar companies are good for the Simulation World!
But having said that, i think people have to be carefull with their own expectations! We can have competitive prices in good equipment, but don't ever think that for cheap prices, one will get features and QC some high range products have!
These Pedals do offer amazing value for some of their features (the same thing could be said for new CSL Pedals/CSP v3 with load cell, or BJ, DC, Meca.....), the important is to know what to need for your personal Sim experience and what to expect from companies and products, after considering what are their expertise, history background, support....
Don't expect a company or product to unite ALL the Best of ALL the Worlds! No such company or product exist or probably will ever...just look at what you want to take from your Simulation experience, be sure to take in account your available time/life, your money limits, and adjust the options to those factors!
Always be carefull about the support factor, mainly when we are talking about more recente companies, products that come from continents out side yours!
Happy sim experience!
Thanks for the comment! Many of the support/QC concerns are made a lot easier by high quality local resellers. That has been the key to the success of these brands
@@LaurenceDusoswa That is always one of the most neglected issue, and as a Sim user, but mainly a Sim projectist, builder and seller, one of the most important element to consider! Always have atention to my customers, and expect nothing else from my other partners and suppliers... that's why, altough understand emotionally, i don't like clubism or fanclubs, when it comes to logic arguments!
Hope you continue enjoy your experience, whatever products or brands we ALL use! Cheers
simagic P2000 or Hensikveld Ultimate + ????
I haven’t reviewed the ultimate + unfortunately
i had these for a while, but the throttle damper kept getting too much slack, poor design to have no return spring, i had the damper replaced twice then sold them
Pity. My throttle was fine during my extended review
Was scouting today for some new pedals and these popped up but doing some research on these they seen to have dodgy brake and throttle pedals. Guess they need to sort they QA department out in china instead of using rest of the world. Guess its the sprints for me then
@@ghastouslol sprints are trash and for the price they pcb boards are exposed on the bottom. Had he sprints and the brake quit working and had to rma so Heusinkveld isn’t that great either 😂
Do u like these over the sprints
Personally I do, but you can't go wrong with the Sprints either
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks so confused to get these or the sprints lol thanks for the reply
I'm 9 months late, but id imagine you should be able to use other oil in the brake res. Brake fluid really is only needed when you are talking about real car brakes, they need to be specified to certain standards to prevent the oil from boiling as the heat is transferred from the brake pads into the pistons. Since these operate a slave cylinder and wont be even coming close to high temps, I'd imagine any mineral oil should be fine.
yep I never tried but in theory it should be fine. Thanks for the comment!
I can't decide between these or the VRS pedals. Anybody have experience with both?
People with that kinda money probably don’t hang out on UA-cam 😄
@@sccchan1980 not true :)
@@sccchan1980 Tell that to UA-camrs. Lol
I have no problems with my Simagic alpha mini base and GT1 wheel. It is as Laurence said, exemplary for it's price . Great ffb , feel and detail. For the pedals though, initially I was happy but I think Chinese companies in general suffer from QC problems especially when they have to ramp up manufacturing quantity. The adjust nut for the preload for my brake was machined completely off axis. And not by a little , it was so off axis in it's screw thread . If you say 90 degrees is perfectly vertical , this was at 60 degrees. The brake Loadcell and hydraulic pressure though was faultless now having driven it about 3 months. Tiny squeak all through it but no fluid leak or bleed. The accelerator pedal damping though, now in 3 months has bled and is much softer now. The damping was initially very strong. At setting , 6 you had very stiff damping. After 3 months use, the 6 is now like a 3 or 2 , it's that loose. The damping mechanism is for sure a stellar feature , when it works properly. Probably the seal's quality is lacking hence it's lack of long reliability. Maybe when I send mine for warranty change it will be ok but for now I just drive it with the lesser damping. What kind of surprised me was these problems cropping up in a euro 799 set. Is it supposed to happen ? Is this 'high end'.
Also from the very beginning, the damping response curve is very shallow from 1-4. 5 and 6 suddenly get very stiff. 1-4, there is not much difference between them .
The rest of the good features, TBF are as Laurence said. If you get a set with good QC then you won't have any of these issues. Also I think the damping response curve, I think is by design, though not a very good one to me.
If you don't get a good QC set, Otherwise be prepared to have a lot of back and forth with your reseller who so far have been good about problems at least in my case. They just offer a straight swap of the problem pedal (s), so far ( still under warranty ). The SW tuning is also a good plus.
I wonder what accelerator fluid they use .. if I knew maybe I could just refill the cylinder and bring the pressure back up. No idea if it's mineral oil or dot 3/4/5?
@@kenhiew2900 Thanks for the detailed write up. That’s a bit concerning to say the least. I’ve actually read other comments from various places with people experiencing the same types of issues. This is particularly concerning considering the price range of these pedals. There are a ton of new options at this price range that seem to have better longevity without qc issues (vrs, Meca, simforge, Heusenveld, etc.). I really like the spring design for the brake pedal but I think the vrs pedals have a somewhat comparable spring system without longevity issues so I’m leaning to them atm. There are other great options, but I really don’t want to go with elastometers if I can help it. There’s just something about the way they compress that doesn’t feel right to me when compared to springs.
Still running these? Or have you moved on to bigger and better?
Still running them. Had some minor issues. Hope they get sorted asap
@@LaurenceDusoswa What issues?
@@LaurenceDusoswa Hi Laurence, can you share more about the issues? I really want to get these but a little scared
Is it difficult to maintain? It is never in the reviews, but the hydraulic pedals have the reputation to be difficult to maintain.
Nope. easy to clean as mentioned and I haven't done/needed any maintenance in the past few months.
Tbh i you don't need more than 100kg cuz gt4 and gt3 cars in real life have like 70-90kg equivalent to the load cell.
yeah 90kg on a pedal/lever will register a lot more at the sensor. but I agree, 100kg is PLENTY for sim racing
My buddy has these and i raced a few races with them at his house and they are nice but not worth getting over my ultimate + pedals at all in fact there not in the same fare comparison category but somebody should get these over v3's 100% im not able to say vs sprints i have never tried those so i wont comment but dont let anybody say these are better then the ultimate + pedals because they are not or i would of switched, I really like the finish on these pedals they look so nice
They do seem really good, but I think I'd still go for the Invicta if I had the money.
It's a tough call. The invicta cost 50% more than these and are definitely not 50% better, if at all. So it's a tough one.
@@LaurenceDusoswa for sure, these definitely offer more for the money. I'm just really sold on the Invicta's hand adjustments and unique hydro mechanism.
@@oznemurwhat did you wind up going with and what’s your opinion on them?
@@skaggs1204 I ended up holding off until this year's ADAC Sim Racing Expo in October. There might be a couple of new offerings.
I have the latest version and the pedals still wobble
Ah shit really? You’re the first I have heard of since mine who has the wobble :( wonder if it’s an old batch maybe
You have no way to prove they are a newer version of
17:30 seriously ?
The wobble was fixed after this review. So nothing to worry about
Made in china
I bet that every piece of electronics you own has parts from China in it. Most of it was ‘made in China’. Remarks like this are outdated. ‘Made in China’ is not an insult.
Moza in made in china lol o wait and every other companies products! Also Samsung is Chinese lol some people have no common sense