Conquer Tyranny In Hoi4: Finland Survival Guide - Arms Against Tyranny Dlc
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2023
- This video will show you how to hold against the Soviet Union as Finland during the Winter War with the Hearts of Iron IV Arms Against Tyranny DLC enabeled. Cheers!
Focus Tree Build-
1. Finnish Neutrality
2. Political Unity
3. Align the Agrarian League
4. The Finnish Swedish Peoples Party
5. Railways and Infrastructure
6. Reporpose Small Industries
7. Enhance Southern Infrastructure
8. Industrial Developement
9. Vaisala Radiosonde Tests
10. Bank of Aland
11. Janiskoski Power Plant
12. Increase Military Budget
13. Suomen Maavoimat
14. Suomen Akatemia
15. Defence Industry
16. Oy Alkoholiliike
17. National Unity
18. Arm The Lotta Satwvard
19. Found Pohjolan Voima
21. Unniwwon of Finnish Brothers in Arms
22. Parmi's Devils
23. Extra Refresher Exercises
24. The Cold Front
25. Winter Warfare
26. Sami Pathfinders
27. Reach Out To Scandinavia
28. Moderate Politics
29. Lone Wolf
30. A Cry For Help
PP Buys-
1. Ban Fascism
2. Priest
3. Agrarian Nationalist
4. Traditionalist Theorist
5. Partial Mob
6. Army Genius- Mannerheim
7. Political Loyalty- Officer Corps
8. Ground Support Expert
9. Military Theorist
10. Artillery Genius
11. Army Regrouping Genius
12. Concealment Expert
13. Construction Company
14. Decisive Battle Expert
15. Form a Military Government
16. Extensive Conscription
17. Total Mob
18. Women in The Workforce
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what's the point of the rail along the soviet border? I didn't think rails helped supply. They only moved supply to the hubs from the capital. I've been struggling with supply and would love some clarification.
Place two supply hubs one in the northern third and one in the middle. Only build your rails to 1 until you move into the USSR. I improved the build after the video came out. Great question, I'll pin this comment.
Rivers actually provide supply in a similar way to supply hubs if you run a rail across them. Rails are also a hell of a lot cheaper than supply hubs to set up.
In terms of cost
Rivers>ports>hubs
Also this is slightly less useful but rails along a defensive front are useful for minor powers with long fronts and low man power. You can use rails to strategically redeploy your mountaineer special forces units to counter any potential breakthroughs allowing you to potentially get away with a slightly weaker front line infantry. Even just a level one rail is enough to prevent units from taking the long way around.
I spent hours watching so many different videos to get this achievement, and this guide was the first one that actually worked. Although I failed because of the Russian naval invasions, they just spammed my coast and I didn't have enough guys. But the border held. Thank you for showing the research you were doing too, all the other guides ignored this and I had no idea about rushing the computing line. Great guide!
Check out my updated guide, the one with the wolf on the thumbnail. It will make everything much easier. Thanks for the comment!
Once again, I really like how you list out the FT and PP gets/buys. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
NP man! Going to have another members vid for you soon. Been busy with the new DLC.
yeah I might 'borrow' that method 🙂
I have been told by @sejozwak you can go any ideology and achieve success.
yo you forgot about mannerheim in the pp buy description @@ESG1
It should be listed as form a military government. I'll double check and fix it now. Thanks!
Hi, great content. I'm following along right now after having tried many hours on the new Finland. I just want to say although it's very informative to get guides like this, I really appreciate understanding and hearing about the reasoning behind what's happening a little more. I need to get a better grip on the overall intention not just a blind recipe, and you've explained it more than most UA-camrs, so thanks. Liked and subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
To follow up on what Pedro said in the comments, Pehr Evind is pretty much useless as his surrender limit trait is replaced when you switch out to military government under Mannerheim. So imo it's advisable to immediately swap him out for Kallio (thru vote of no confidence) the moment you ban fascism. You save quite a lot of PP with the discounts he gives on advisors and economy laws by getting him in early 1936.
I'll check that out. Sounds like a good thing to do.
I love your channel so much, you put tons of effort, thank you! This one feels more difficult than ethiopia for me, but once you find the correct strats, its not bad at all!
Thanks for the support. It is difficult until you get some manpower.
Really like the structure of your video and how you listed the PP & National Focus decisions you made. You've got a sub from me!
Welcome aboard!
I have been WAITING for ESG’s Finland walk through because I can’t find my own way to success 😅
We'll do it together!
This is a great video for me because finland is my favorite country to play even thoe I'm from sweden I like finland more because it exist in single player 🇸🇪 ❤️ 🇫🇮
Very very fun build thanks!
Glad you like it!
I've seen a few people brag that you can cheese this achievement with the 'other' ideology. So I was pleasantly surprised you went in as the Lone Wolf anyway. I don't fully agree with all of your choices yet, but man this is an excellent build. I need to reproduce the result still, but I'm on the way!
I think one supply depot may be needed in the middle north. I have tried this with better results using logi company II. It is better than winter logistics company. Later you can add both when you invade USSR.
@@ESG1 yeah I build a supply depot. Its done quickly with the decision. placement is critical. another critical thing is guarding ports against naval invasions...
If you go Fascist Ideology tree there are focuses to give you divs that can man the ports.
Great guide, I would have liked a minute or two more info or suggestions between mid 39 to late 40
Noted!
great walkthrough
Thanks man!
The no-one crosses the Finnish line is pretty tricky and it seems like there is some RNG with the naval invasions, especially with the naval invasion into Åland which happens almost immediately after the war starts. There is a way to easily cheese this achievement if you manage your focuses right and rush down "Co-operation with Germany" before the winter war happens.
I lived streamed this yesterday and the USSR landed on Aland day one, lol.
Not possible without all DLC, thanks paywall Paradox
Fascist Finland is absolutely insane. You can core basically all of the North including the Baltics and on my first playthrough I easily achieved a 18k to 2.4 mil ratio against the USSR near 1941. I pushed them halfway to Moscow before the Axis attacked and I managed to cut them off at Moscow and down to Stalingrad whilst I pushed the Soviets across the stupidly large front over the Urals. I cannot stress how easy it was to defend as Fascist Finland than any other playthrough I had.
I've played fascist Poland like 5 times already... never been able to truly defend/attack successfully. Any tips? Division width? etc
@@cristilord7767 If you don't mind "cheesing" then firstly on the civil war part, delete your army and sell all your equipment. Build a civ and start building infrastructure where it counts. During the civil war, cancel all your sales, and make divisions. You can just blitz thru Finland uaing this trick. Start building a couple civs along with the infrastructure whilst saving up pp and keeping communism and democracy low in the country. Stability doesnt matter as much as the new mini game they have for Finland (the public confidence thing). The more confident the people, the better modifiers you get (not really detrimental but very useful nonetheless). Save PP and go down the irridentism focus. I forgot which focus but as soon as you have enough pp and the chance to influence the nordics, try pressuring them. Do not get the final focus on the tree/the focus that cores the nordics UNTIL you manage to succesfully induct them into your faction or annex them. For Denmark its a little trickier, from what I heard theres a larger chance they dont accept and even if they do, they might leave the faction (pressuring makes the nords join your faction, the focus annexes them). Its really only RNG for Denmark, just try and time the focus and the pressure correctly and you might get Denmark. Once you get the nords it really is quite simple. Just spam forts, divs that is VERY reccomended to have anti air and the new finish skis and other stuff they added in the template designer. If youre feeling rich then get a field hospital so you can save mp (you dont need to with the new cores). Most importantly defend your ports and ALWAYS pay attention to Leningrad area and Norway ports (If they push or open a second front, youre screwed). If youre feeling good you can take Murmansk or wherever the Soviet port near yours on the far North is. Thats where they stage most of their naval invasions. Just attack whenever you feel the Soviets are weakest. Cut them off in the middle and take Leningrad. If you cant then just push until you can surround leningrad. If you get the baltics focus they are actually quite useful as they hold up against the Soviets well and divert their forces. Really, as long as you core the Swedes and Norway, the rest is quite easy. For which places to fortify, just do it across the line, naval forts on ports and focus forts on the 3 tiles on opposite sides of the lake beside Leningrad as well as your most northern port area. Focus on single tiles adjacent to 3 or more enemy tiles as well. You can decently get level 8 forts on strategic areas and level 3 for the rest with all the new civs you get from annexing and the focuses.
@@cristilord7767 Shit only now I realize you said Poland and not Finland. Fuck me I'm not deleting all that work
@@s.c.p-foundation6923 Very good tips, thank you very much! I think my problem was not being able to annex any countries and just playing Finland solo. I will do everything you've said and hopefully I'll be able to beat the soviets this time.
@@cristilord7767 Well I'm happy it helped. I didn't notice you said Poland instead of Finland tho😭
That MIO trait at 8:34 does not apply to artillery. Read carefully for which types of equipment the trait applies.
extra SA and HA on AA is pretty nice still
Id like to note that someone on a paradox forum said that military high command is applied on a divisional basis so you'd need to make units classified as artillery in order to get the bonus which I haven't watched the whole video yet but no one does that so idk yet. It was 2018 so they might have changed it but yeah
My understanding is that, that was changed a while ago. The high command affects the battalion level of the division template. In other words, u would have to have a template comprised of mostly arty to gain the soft attack bonus. The labeling of the division 100% does not matter. In other words, what u call the division or the division picture. It could matter in terms of doctrinal bonuses that may affect how the game categorizes your division, ie. tank or infantry.
@@ESG1 then it might be useful for me, I didn't use it in my own historical Finnland playthrough because I thought it wouldn't be useful but I'll have to check
I think if you put your navy on strike force the Soviets struggle to get enough superiority to naval invade right away making it almost certain the division gets accross to Aland, I followed your guide and they landed there like day 2 of the war before my guy got there.
That’s a good idea. Really tough when they get Aland so fast. Sometimes they don’t go there first.
Interesting I would have gone charismatic over oganization first. If you expect to defend with single or a low number of units there will be no reinforcements. Rather youd want to have faster org recov there between battles I think
It's for later in the game. Also, if you want to go war early it is more helpful.
Why didnt you take Free Trade with your excess PP? And how about using the Valtionrautatiet concern, before you complete the Pohjolan Voima focus?
No free trade since u are resource constrained. I’ll have to check that focus.
i think a far better starting focus order is
1. Finnish Neutrality
2. Political Unity
3. The Finnish Swedish Peoples Party
4. Align agrarian league
5. Enhance southern infra
6. industrial dev
7. Radio tests
Also i would completely ignore railways and infrastructure and repurpose small industries before the war and use that time to do the finnish army focuses
If you rush get radio tests earlier you can then use the bonus on computing machine earlierto get the extra research slot a bit faster
As for pp
1. organise opposition + motion of no confidence
2, mannerheim chief of army
3. Traditionalist theorist
4. partial mob
5. spymaster
You really want to get rid of the inital guy asap , by switching earlier you save so much PP, you get 0.2 extra from trait as well as having higher trust which gives 0.2, as well as that you get cheaper advisors and laws so its a no brainer
you should get the industry concern before military theorist/arty genius to get construction 4 faster. Ignore the 15% civ factor concern, it looks far better then it actually is, you get maybe 1 or 2 factories from it and once the war starts you can go total mob which makes it uselsss.
as for research , i see absolutely no point in researching advanced computing machine ahead of time even with the bonsu you get, far better to use that to research guns 3 with the bonus you get from military branch. Also radio is a waste of research , long range patrols gives initative for each infantry battallion , with just 6 infantry battallions you get 150% intitaive which translates to 45% reinforce rate
You want to send an attache to china once their war starts and with the army xp you get from the extra focuses you can finish you can get the 5% recruitable pop from mobile warfare before the war starts and have 36 12w inf with full support companies.The army xp you use before getting the 5% pop is for proper heirtage professional officer corp and poltiical loyalty. Finland has plenty conversion bonuses and early game you dont have that many MIO traits anyway, so avoid assigning MIO until you get the manpower. You need to ban facism before you send the attache otherwise you will get stab hits , the pp is worth the army xp, once you ban facism and send the attache you can then get the priest advisor if you want but its debateable whether its worth it, you get 10k manpower a year from it which is enough for one division and you will get only like 2 years maybe in this method, agrarian i find is better to get that extra max factories in state so you can build in max infra helsinki and turku
As for construction, start by maxing out infra in turku and helsinki, they get a huge amount of building slots from focuses and its very worth it, plus while your on civ eco the factories aint good for much else
Hospitals are also a complete waste espically for Finalnd , you have really op support companies and wasting a slot on hospitals will cost you more manpower then it saves
As for naval invasions , i just make 28 2 width infantry with 1 for every coastal tile and keep 1 or 2 12 width inf ready to delpoy. You want to build coastal forts on Aland to lvl 3 once the war starts, soviets dont invade with marines so having those forts mean that no matter what they use, they will have 0 stats. Check the sea zon e surrounding aland often, if there is no soviet navy then you can safely pass, i dont think ive seen the soviets do a naval invasion early and they usually put away their navy soon enough. Also once you take murmansk make sure to leave 1 divsion in the murmamnsk and petsamo since sometimes the soviets invade there. I usually make minelaying submarines and have them fill out the sea zone surrounding aland with mines so that might be a factor in the soviet navy going away.
As for sweden , once the war starts you want to push out to murmansk/olonets/onega as early as possible( cut off supply hubs and then encircle) to get cores on sweden, manually justify on sweden use reconquer core and deploy roughly 16 divisions, encircle the divisions in the north and then cap them. Also you should be easily able to cap the soviets by 43, 42 is very achieveable ( dont forget to get collabs). Once you cap the soviets then you can attack the axis to get the uralic brothers united acheivement. By then your industry should be so huge that you can make a ridicolous amount of navals bombers and you should have stolen a decent navy that you can refit to use to invade the UK. The US is an absolute pain however then so id suggest doing greate finland seperately.
Also once you get partial mob create an intelligence agency and use it to steal tech, dont rush any of the tools or dispersed/concentrated industry techs, hell i intentionally fall behind just so i can steal them.
Also i would just go concentrated , the soviets only bomb infra and not factories so dispersed is pretty crap, im not sure if you did this but you should build 2-3 levels of AA in helsinki and turku and possibly max out AA in karjala since the soviets love to bomb supply.
Also make sure to get lend lease from sweden and turkey , italy also usually has trucks and support equipment
edit: concerning army xp you go proper heiritage to make a 40w cav training unit , then professional officer corps then political loyalty for stab
I agree with getting rid of the first leader ASAP. I don't think you need organize oposition. I also prefer to ban fascism and go priest for the manpower.
@@ESG1 i think organize opposition is by far optimal , political unity increases public trust by 10%, if your first focuses are neutrality and poiltiical unity then you will have -55% public trust , not enough to get the cheaper motion of no confidence.
I think the biggest weakness of your build is the PP you are losing an absolute massive amount, your starting leader retired in march, the difference between starting guy and kyosto kallo is 0.2 pp daily , you lost 80 pp alone from the just that, you also sat in low trust and even very low trust which is at minimum 0.2 so another 80 pp(probally more like 100 due to 0.4pp lost at very slow trust), you also got 3 advisors and partial mob which kyosto kallo gives a 25% discount costing another 91 PP. You sat at 45/40 stab due to to banning having low trust and banning fascism early before doing at least 1 anti facist raid, which is another -0.04/0.1PP daily and much more importantly - 10 factory output, you said that manpower is the limiting factor , which it is, but the way you get around that are higher quality divisions which you need the factory output for
You lose 160 PP by march 37 and 91 PP from advisors/partial mob by aug 36.
Also if you have kysoto kallo then he gets that 20% public trust from political unity/following focuses which keeps you out from low, i usually dont bother with the priest and banning facism early so it helps by keeping him out of low trust for a good bit of time, by which i already need to get rid of him anyway
I think I found away around this with the lone wolf achievement guide. Check out that video.
@@ESG1 Just watched it, i think its a way better and easier way of doing the achievement. Doing it neutral requires so much planning and you can still get rnged on Aland.
I think the only thing i would change with the fascist route is delaying aircraft by a year or so, while your still fighting in finland and murmansk i dont find aircraft to do much whereas having more divisions is really helpful. Once you push into the soviets you really want then aircraft then since the front is much wider and very hard to beat the soviets out on quantity even if you encircle dozens of divisions in murmansk.
Also kudos for going back to your old videos, you deserve a lot more subs then you have.
Thanks for the kind words. I am working hard to drop more clickable videos to improve my subscriber base.
I thought I was having a good game as Finland - then the Soviets did a naval invasion into my rear…
Yeah, that's the annoying part.
For lone wolf what are your thoughts on delaying the winter war until Barbarossa? I’ve had a lot more success when the axis are fighting with the Soviets in the gulf of Finland than I ever have fighting alone.
*I forgot to mention that the additional time to work on focuses makes a huge difference as well.
I haven't tested it but that would be fun for a historical build. You can get most of the good bonuses early though. The AI will start building medium tanks and potentially more air so you could have problems defeating them later in the game.
am I incredibly unlucky or is it common for the soviet union to naval invade rauma pori and the tile below rauma imideatly as the war starts because I just had a run wasted due to the fact that they naval invaded there. or could it be cuz I dont have the new DLC. The plan worked flawlesly besides that tho so if it's not something thats common I'll do the same run again but oof this was sum emotional dmg
It happens, u have to stay vigilant and pause micro
@@ESG1 yh I aint skillful enough for that rn but I suppose if I can get a run where they wont naval invade ilideatly I can peolly deal with it
I would just play slow, listen for the naval invasion sound and keep glancing at the upper right hand corner of the screen.
I think it's better to bring Kallio in charge before you switch your economy law. He has a good discount.
I think you are right
7:38 I wouldn't really recommend that one because it only affects AT and AA. Not artillery so the soft attack buff is not that big.
Whats the point of disbanding the units at the start? Im new at the game
Good question. When you train one division only, you are able to get more xp and lose less equipment during training.
@@ESG1 ahh i see. Thanks
hi esg, can you please share the research orders list. great video btw tysm for the guide!
Unfortunately I didn’t write it down. Prioritize industry first if the research is under 320 days, arty second, plane third, tank fourth and gun last.
@@ESG1 thanks a lot man!
@@rishabarora9269 NP!
@@ESG1 one more question: how do i keep the first leader around (cus he is a necessary component in ensuring monarchist finland via the "a new course for kokoomus" and "the finnish throne" focuses)
@@ESG1 Why not look over the full, unedited video and see what you researched. Just a suggestion.
I managed to do it after many attempts, then went for the Finnish Him achievement
I've been trying this achievement combo since the DLC came out, without success. Here are some of my thoughts, and questions.
1. I usually skip most of the Align focuses, in order to get in other focuses. My order is: Neutrality, get Ryti (PP, Production cap, Non-aligned support) , then Nat. Unity, Simojoki (200 manpower guy). I did get the Swedish advisor that gives 15% PP once, but I feel it's not needed if I just ban Fascism, then take Kallio at elections, and do the Entice the Masses once. I use Captain of Industry until 39, when I switch to the Armorer. Since consumer goods are now calculated in a relative sense, is Kekkonen that impactful?
2. You did not rush the focuses Lotta Svärd and Union of Finnish Brothers. A noob question from me: does rushing them give more manpower overall than if they were done later? I do them after the first military focus, just to be able to make artillery early.
3. I used to take the Radiosonde experiments, but I skipped them in later tries. You showed me a nifty way to make use of the bonus to get the Comp. Machine.
4. Construction tech rushing seems a bit inefficient with a Non-aligned Finland. IMO, you can't make use of it until the war starts and you get MP to trickle in. I usually try to research planes, but even there, manpower constrains you.
5. I take the air bases focus below the Ilmavoimat one, for infrastructure and supply. Ilmavoimat itself is a free military factory, and that's hard to refuse.
6. Template: due to manpower constraints, my approach is to use the existing army, and supplement it with new divisions built as 6 battalions of INF, with Recon for synergy with Sup-Art, Field Hospital and Engineers in support. I do admit Winter Logistics Companies sound nice, as does AT or AA.
7. I tend to take the Jaeger focus for the infantry def/atk staff member. Concealment does make sense, but my problem is that I can either have 30 divisions with only some being the upgraded template, or 27 being at their best. And you have to cover not just the front, but also your ports. I do use Mountaineers too, TBH, upgraded to have Rangers. I do take Parmi's Devils, of course.
8. What ruined many runs was a Soviet landing in Äländ. They can get there before my garrison even if I send it just as the war starts, if SU controls Estonia. And that can happen. I took Kilpapurjehdus in the following attempt to foil it, but that run failed because tanks ground me down in Petsamo. I take Lone Wolf ASAP to get a bit more manpower in, since it always feels I'm always short of units.
I don't have exact numbers but 10% population factor does not seem to move the needle much. It may only increase the available manpower pool by 10%. Recruitable population factor seems much better. It may be better to wait until you have more cores from USSR to get the 10% population factor but then you can't get your penal div and it would be super hard to hold without that extra manpower.
I agree with taking lone wolf earlier. Definetly OP. To hold Aland, place one div on a fallback line then have another div waiting to cross right after. That way one will get caught by the subs but the other makes it across. You can also make one destroyer with two depth charge slots. I was literally able to hold the seas around Aland being extremely carefull. Learned this on my live stream today along with chat's help. Thanks for the help chat!
I got immediately naval invaded from Vaasa port....
You and me both
Do we need dlc for this?
Yes, Arms Against Tyranny
Can i ask can i replace military goverment with old leader if i want play finish monarchy
I haven't tested it but I think it should work. There is a hidden Finnish path too. Not sure what alignment you need to be for that one though.
@@ESG1i need first leader to finish monarchy i tried it and its not possible
a good when starting you no wait much for you kick Pehr Evind and change Kyosti for begin a balance suport war economy military and resources for help build equipement and continue
Can you do a video showing how to go fascist and make the Nordic Empire from the decisions tab? I can’t ever get the Nordic countries to join
I will live stream that build tomorrow. Going to hold the Finnish line today.
Thanks man
unit templates?
15 width, one battalion of arty. Support companies: shovel, AA, Arty, Winter logi and now I go regular logi as well. Works great.
4:36 so i remembe
your railway lines seem very wastefull in their layout
You could be right, but they come out fast.
9:38
Man it’s so much easier than all this, you’re doing too much way
Make a video and post it.
Did everything like you thought us, but i still got smashed :( this is so shitty game
Your tio close to the mic its realy annoying
My face is the recomended distance from the mic. So, how do I fix that in OBS?