Pro players participate in Archon game mode? Intruiging. Chaos probable. Organism Abathur has tried gamemode other Zerg. Performance superior; hive mind, cooperation impeccable.
In case you didn't notice. Some banelings burrowed at 20:00 in the mineral line with an additional baneling later and exploded 22:00 to kill 11 SCVs. Prob my fav bane-burrow kill that match.
Not really, if you look at 21:43 you will see that the baneling is not there anymore, and at 22:00 you can see on the minimap some green going into the mineral line.
@@svhhd I didn't keep track of it the whole time, the only thing i noticed was it going into the mineral line, but as you said 1-2 additional banelings were burrowed shortly before they exploded.
28:53 "And some reinforcing Terran units are making the way downtown walking fast.." ..........Faces past, and I'm homebound. dududu dududu dood du dadada dududu dududu dooo du dadada badada badada dum And I need you badada badada dum And I miss you Don't worry Lowko, Ive got you!
wish there was a 3v3v3 mode where we can have protoss added to the mix and have players like Hass + Neeblet + ??? be on that side against the others and see which race comes out on top lol
Iirc archon mode in BW you could choose races and the workers would be half one race and half the other. Who ever was on the top of the team list determined what race had the starting base, hatch, com center, or nexus.
More Archon games please! This was REALLY cool to watch. It really is incredible the difference having two extra sets of hands, eyes, and brains makes.
this was super awesome, would love to see more of this. Makes me think of some 3v3 or 4v4 pro player archon mode tournament, that could be insanely cool
I have been wanting to see something like this for a long time. My brother taught me to play multiplayer SC2 in Archon and I have always thought it would be an amazing game to see top tier players play one.
It is actually great to see how well SC2 is ballanced that even with 1000 apm there are no major balance skews. But as far as I understand math behind it, 1 tier units are most powerfull, but at some point single person can't controll them. From that point, it looks like transitioning to broods was a bad idea. And for the terrans, fighting that zerg broods-corruptors-viper-hydra death ball was much-much-much worse idea.
Well that was the most Action I saw in a Starcraft game ever... Like It look like a video form the champagne where the terrant are jumping on the Zerg form all angle.
Lowko, can you cast a game of bots? (ai players made by other players) Better 3 or 4 matches, bcs they can adapt to their opponents, which is quite fun to watch
This would be amazing to see. I can just imagine how interesting it would be to watch how they react differently to each army comp. and just the micro they could pull off
Nah I think you can have more in Terran since Terran is micro intensive, and the more micro equals the more value, as you see in the game Terran was doing things in zergs base as he was attacking in the front as well building units, and 3 people can get more value.
terran has the highest skill ceiling they just didn't get enough spell casters out in this game. no thors, ghosts, siege tanks. Ghosts would have done work against broodlord, they could have microed seieg tank pick ups with medivacs absolutely perfectly and thor medivac micro would have been very interesting to see, ghosts could have constantly emp'd the infestors as well. Just a couple of battle cruisers and some yamato cannons would have been dirty especially with war micro. The real shame is that three GM's did nothing but stay on bio and try and harrass all day. Yeah three of them can do a lot of work, but ultimately with perfect micro the defender always has the advantage, you're not going to do a lot of work with harrasses against 3 GM zerg players they should have focused on the counter and some real transitions to deal with the late game.
Micro intense infestors spawn units that also require micro..... Creep damn near takes one whole person to manage all by itself once you have enough tumors..... That's why pros quit creep by late game because it requires too much apm for one person. Injections require too much apm for one person once you get beyond a certain number of bases because you need to relocate all your queens you've been grouping for defense... Not to mention changelings, neural parasites, blinding clouds. Zerg just plain has more spells on top of creep production, and injects. Hence why Zerg is always highest apm, and even at those ridiculous apms they still don't do everything. Not enough hands. These zergs we're doing 1,300 apm and STILL missed injects, and creep spread in parts because they simply didn't have enough hands even with 3 of them...
@cgimofo I'm sorry I thought I made it clear that I was referring to combined. I was saying that 3 people benefit Zerg more and lowko agreed. Zerg has more and more impactful casters. I will admit that a group of Marines have to micro against banelings a lot more than banelings do. But having two people to micro army with a 3rd to maintain injects and redo creep benefits Zerg by far more than Terran, to the point that even if your army is killed it is insta built again. Zerg can't even queue up units, everything has to be done manually. Yes Terran army requires micro, but not as many casters, and Zerg has to give up a production facility every time they miss an inject. It's like destroying 1.5 reactored barracks every time you micro your army and miss an inject because that is 3 larva you're missing. And it's on 6 bases so 18, and you have to redo it every 29 seconds. When I say Zerg benefits from having 3 pros more so than Terran it's because there's already more to do than one person is capable of doing as it is. The game is scaled to balance off that fact. Hence why in this game Zerg econ took off, every army was insta rebuilt, etc etc.
thanks lowko for casting this gameplay. this kind of game is exactly the one that I thought on the first time I played RTS game. what will happened if 1 clan/group or race was being controlled by more than 1 person?
it would be really interesting to watch a 4v4 archon match where one of the players are protoss and they just go mass stalkers. The blink and warp prizim micro would be insane.
I wish zergs made some muta early (and honestly it would have dealth with those raven well, but that's really not the reason =p I just think it'd have been cool). Also wish terran kept on with the ravens and maybe made some ghosts. Also I want to see a protoss in archon mode. With things like blink stalker, oracle, storms and phenix, definitely interesting.
this needs to be a tournament with the final team facing the ultimate challenge..... Serral with the promise of a lowkoTV trophy thats missing from his cabinet
In this type of 6 player pro gamer action, feel free to pause the video when there is mutli action going on so you can highlight just how crazy intense micro action these types of games have. This is because you end up missing alot of stuff on the mini map.
Even 2v2 is kind of "un-castable" in the sense that it's too much info to take in, but I love the archon mode. Kind of wish that was more on the card for competitive play. I think at a high level you would need a pretty different skillset too and it would open up the field for more players to shine.
In contrast to my expectation, the baneling where actually more effective rhan ever. Got so many kills even when the marine players could (in theory) micro so focused. I thought it would be very hard to get it right once , cause they should have been so aware on the marine side, you should think.
Man, Imagine high prize pool tournaments with archon mode. If that was actually something pro's practiced for and perfected. It would be so sick. All these tiny minute moves all to edge advantages. That's like how these fights would act out in "reality"
What if they had a hardcore archon mode where your team had no minimap? Or what if each team had 3 bases, but map switched which species players controlled at random? Imagine the chaos...
Protoss: We got Psionic Storm. Massive area damage spell. Terrans: We got nothing. Zerg: Pffft. please. We got 2. And spawn free units. Why do you two even bother existing?
LOWKO! Favorite vid to date! Obviously the game was epic but great job at calling everything out! especially with that much going on lol. Such an exciting match! More of these pleeeaaassee:) Stay gold man!
SC2 should be more like this. Doing a round of production or queen injects every 20-30 seconds and going back to microing an engagement without missing a beat is impressive but it's not interesting. The game should help you play it, not throw hurdles in your path.
Yesss, I know, this is very late comment and I just watched the match but can I ask that why no ghosts? EMP for vipers and infestors, steady targeting while invisible. I think it could help a lot? Just thinking
Archon mode should become an official tournament.
Agreed, players teaming up as 2 or 3 and then splitting the prize money!
*Minecraft Monday but its StarCraft 2*
@@swaxbox4517 no
Pro players participate in Archon game mode?
Intruiging. Chaos probable.
Organism Abathur has tried gamemode other Zerg.
Performance superior; hive mind, cooperation impeccable.
what about the terrans Abathur?
Outfitting Zerg units with 3 brains and 6 arms may prove profitable.
Ey hotshot, u forget, i invented some new toys for our boys killing your critters eaisly
I couldn’t help but read that in Abathur’s voice
@@Nijuka87 poodiecancur sez no.
This was sooo cool.
Especially because you had to adapt your casting style.
Is it possible that we could get some more casts of Archon matches? :D
Will be picked. Up. As. Well. And over here on de odder side of de map,
Archon matches are so awesome.
I have just Played Archon once, but i Love the Casting with pro Players
Ikr? It’s so unfortunate that I can barely find much archon mode gameplay with commentary or whatnot.
i come from the future. byun and maru vs high and holy. lmao yeet future
Archon mode is really cool, it looks like every unit were alive or something, please lowko, cast more of these
In case you didn't notice. Some banelings burrowed at 20:00 in the mineral line with an additional baneling later and exploded 22:00 to kill 11 SCVs.
Prob my fav bane-burrow kill that match.
How do you know it exploded at 22:00? I can't spot it. =(
@@oletramekaf5603 pay atention to the worker count on the bottom. goes from fifty-something to 47 in an instant
Ooooh, of course!!! Thank you, Renzo!!! =D
Not really, if you look at 21:43 you will see that the baneling is not there anymore, and at 22:00 you can see on the minimap some green going into the mineral line.
@@svhhd I didn't keep track of it the whole time, the only thing i noticed was it going into the mineral line, but as you said 1-2 additional banelings were burrowed shortly before they exploded.
“Lambo on the toilet now” hm, producing creep, eh?
0:58
raining down like an overlord lol
@@Toastmaster_5000 HAHAHA you killed me with that one
Ok, ok, hear me out...
Archon team vs AlphaStar
makes the odds a bit more fair.
first thought i got when seeing this :D
But the old Mana and TLO Alphastar not these Ladder things
28:53 "And some reinforcing Terran units are making the way downtown walking fast.."
..........Faces past, and I'm homebound.
dududu dududu dood du dadada
dududu dududu dooo du dadada
badada badada dum And I need you
badada badada dum And I miss you
Don't worry Lowko, Ive got you!
How did this not get a heart!?
I can already tell--this one will be a hit.
YES
You need Archon Casters as well!
2 casters at once with each their screen !
Jonatan S lowko winter archon cast!!
Archon moderators would be needed to truly capture this game.
Wish this type of archon would be more professionaly viewed
wish there was a 3v3v3 mode where we can have protoss added to the mix and have players like Hass + Neeblet + ??? be on that side against the others and see which race comes out on top lol
that would be really chaotic, but danm.. i need to see that xD
Iirc archon mode in BW you could choose races and the workers would be half one race and half the other. Who ever was on the top of the team list determined what race had the starting base, hatch, com center, or nexus.
Has would just dominate. Not fun to watch
Mana, or ShaDown
+Showtime maybe
More Archon games please! This was REALLY cool to watch. It really is incredible the difference having two extra sets of hands, eyes, and brains makes.
13:02
6 hands➗2hands per person=3
3➗APM = rough estimate of each pro
Z 1100➗3=367 apm per player
T 800➗3=267 apm per player
Try to do archon pro player game more often pls it's such a cool thing I loved it
Zerg should have used the attack hotkey on a single Zergling with the Broodlords. Makes it much harder for Terran to attack into a wall of minions.
They should raise the supply cap to 300 for Archon matches.
March Ferdinand Cruz possibly, but when you do that there will be a unbalancing
300 then zerg stand much bigger chance to win
Wow 90 subly in drones and then 210 subly for units, way to overpowered. And then terran and skytoss with 200 unitsubly
300 supply in Carriers looks more op for me xD
No Ghosts ?
that zerg apm damn, almost going to 3000 at times
this was super awesome, would love to see more of this. Makes me think of some 3v3 or 4v4 pro player archon mode tournament, that could be insanely cool
More of this please, it was awesome.
and maybe slow down the game speed to keep up with the casting? :)
They lost because no battlecruisers
They lost because they had no ghosts. 10 ghosts would have won them the game.
Thanks for spoilers
민정웅 yamato cannon all zerg unit GG ZERG win terran
@@MadMan-7978 xd
@SeRraL its your fault for reading the comments before watching the video
MOAR Archons, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4,...
I have been wanting to see something like this for a long time. My brother taught me to play multiplayer SC2 in Archon and I have always thought it would be an amazing game to see top tier players play one.
That was a fun one. Thanks for being awesome, Lowko. Love your casts.
I wanna see Maru, Ty, Innovation and Byun vs Serral, Rogue, Dark and Soo
Ethereal Hunterling I agree
The second 1 person can do this, we know this game has reached its perfect meta
It is actually great to see how well SC2 is ballanced that even with 1000 apm there are no major balance skews. But as far as I understand math behind it, 1 tier units are most powerfull, but at some point single person can't controll them. From that point, it looks like transitioning to broods was a bad idea. And for the terrans, fighting that zerg broods-corruptors-viper-hydra death ball was much-much-much worse idea.
you mean serral?
What a game. They should do this more, or maybe an Archon tournament.
this....this is beautiful. there are some pro player that do this on regular basis? like a 3v3 cheese archon? i loved this one!!
This was absolutely amazing to watch. More Archon games would be lovely, some 2v2v2 or 3v3v3 FFA matches would be very interesting
Well that was the most Action I saw in a Starcraft game ever... Like It look like a video form the champagne where the terrant are jumping on the Zerg form all angle.
Lowko, can you cast a game of bots? (ai players made by other players)
Better 3 or 4 matches, bcs they can adapt to their opponents, which is quite fun to watch
deepmind
A.i. Players made by other players?
aren't that just the normal bots Blizzard made?
Alexander no, blizz a.i is official, but bots made by players are different, they got different strategies
This!!
This would be amazing to see. I can just imagine how interesting it would be to watch how they react differently to each army comp. and just the micro they could pull off
Hell yeah do more of these, this was interesting as hell.
I love this type of weird games, keep them coming lowko!
This was awesome! please let me know if you have more of these.
wow what an epic game and another phenomenal cast by Lowko! Thank you kind sir!
Anyone else want an Ulrezaj mode where 7 people play as one?
And the 1 other guy starts with 3 bases, 1 for each race and 36 workers. (12 per race)
This Archon Mode is terrific! So much action!
I feel this benefits Zerg more. Much higher skill cap for zerg with enough micro
Nah I think you can have more in Terran since Terran is micro intensive, and the more micro equals the more value, as you see in the game Terran was doing things in zergs base as he was attacking in the front as well building units, and 3 people can get more value.
Terran could used nukes Yamato cannons, mines. Protoss got blink, storms, disruptor shots.
terran has the highest skill ceiling they just didn't get enough spell casters out in this game. no thors, ghosts, siege tanks.
Ghosts would have done work against broodlord, they could have microed seieg tank pick ups with medivacs absolutely perfectly and thor medivac micro would have been very interesting to see, ghosts could have constantly emp'd the infestors as well. Just a couple of battle cruisers and some yamato cannons would have been dirty especially with war micro.
The real shame is that three GM's did nothing but stay on bio and try and harrass all day. Yeah three of them can do a lot of work, but ultimately with perfect micro the defender always has the advantage, you're not going to do a lot of work with harrasses against 3 GM zerg players they should have focused on the counter and some real transitions to deal with the late game.
Micro intense infestors spawn units that also require micro..... Creep damn near takes one whole person to manage all by itself once you have enough tumors..... That's why pros quit creep by late game because it requires too much apm for one person. Injections require too much apm for one person once you get beyond a certain number of bases because you need to relocate all your queens you've been grouping for defense... Not to mention changelings, neural parasites, blinding clouds. Zerg just plain has more spells on top of creep production, and injects. Hence why Zerg is always highest apm, and even at those ridiculous apms they still don't do everything. Not enough hands. These zergs we're doing 1,300 apm and STILL missed injects, and creep spread in parts because they simply didn't have enough hands even with 3 of them...
@cgimofo I'm sorry I thought I made it clear that I was referring to combined. I was saying that 3 people benefit Zerg more and lowko agreed. Zerg has more and more impactful casters. I will admit that a group of Marines have to micro against banelings a lot more than banelings do. But having two people to micro army with a 3rd to maintain injects and redo creep benefits Zerg by far more than Terran, to the point that even if your army is killed it is insta built again. Zerg can't even queue up units, everything has to be done manually. Yes Terran army requires micro, but not as many casters, and Zerg has to give up a production facility every time they miss an inject. It's like destroying 1.5 reactored barracks every time you micro your army and miss an inject because that is 3 larva you're missing. And it's on 6 bases so 18, and you have to redo it every 29 seconds. When I say Zerg benefits from having 3 pros more so than Terran it's because there's already more to do than one person is capable of doing as it is. The game is scaled to balance off that fact. Hence why in this game Zerg econ took off, every army was insta rebuilt, etc etc.
PLEASE DO 8 PLAYER ARCHON PRO MATCHES LOWKO!!!!!
Lowko your intro is top 5 on youtube. Thanks for the quality content!
23:00 lowko: "Terran is just trying to outnumber the zerg at this point"
Cena: "Are you sure about?" that?
Amazing game, extremely action packed. That was so much fun to see!
thanks lowko for casting this gameplay.
this kind of game is exactly the one that I thought on the first time I played RTS game. what will happened if 1 clan/group or race was being controlled by more than 1 person?
That was an insane match, thanks for sharing Lowko!
The apm counter is ragin like crazy haha :DD
I think this is what future AI players will look like
this is really interesting xD all the crazy micro everywhere not usually seen in normal 1v1 matches
The lack of siege tanks was what did it
i saw this game on lambos stream it was so cool i got chills by watching
Now i really want to see some more archon matches but now with archon casting with Winter :o
Why is everyone against static defense?
it would be really interesting to watch a 4v4 archon match where one of the players are protoss and they just go mass stalkers.
The blink and warp prizim micro would be insane.
I really want to see more of this.
Please keep up with the long games! Also love the 3v3!
I wish zergs made some muta early (and honestly it would have dealth with those raven well, but that's really not the reason =p I just think it'd have been cool).
Also wish terran kept on with the ravens and maybe made some ghosts.
Also I want to see a protoss in archon mode. With things like blink stalker, oracle, storms and phenix, definitely interesting.
LOVED IT !!!!!! would love to see more archon games!!!
blizzard should open an archon tournament beside wcs
than starcraft esport teams would start to make sense
It’d be way better i reckon, seeing the teamwork happen and players getting used to each others roles and play styles
We Need More Of This!!!
Been waiting for this one for a while! Think its a great idea and good to maybe promote some underrated pro players as well!
Amazing match thanks.
I would love to see more games like this
Can't imagine if you has ByuN or Maru on your team to handle your micro
this needs to be a tournament with the final team facing the ultimate challenge..... Serral with the promise of a lowkoTV trophy thats missing from his cabinet
Now I want to see Pro-player 4v4, 2v2 and 3v3 :P
In this type of 6 player pro gamer action, feel free to pause the video when there is mutli action going on so you can highlight just how crazy intense micro action these types of games have. This is because you end up missing alot of stuff on the mini map.
awesome game. i hope to see more archon matches. they are so good!
Love seeing the uncommon games.
Even 2v2 is kind of "un-castable" in the sense that it's too much info to take in, but I love the archon mode. Kind of wish that was more on the card for competitive play. I think at a high level you would need a pretty different skillset too and it would open up the field for more players to shine.
Im loving these casts, great work, lowko!
In contrast to my expectation, the baneling where actually more effective rhan ever.
Got so many kills even when the marine players could (in theory) micro so focused.
I thought it would be very hard to get it right once , cause they should have been so aware on the marine side, you should think.
More Archon matches!!!
10:33 2620 APM holy :D
More games like this please !
More video of Achon match ! That's epic ! Good video !
Man, Imagine high prize pool tournaments with archon mode. If that was actually something pro's practiced for and perfected. It would be so sick.
All these tiny minute moves all to edge advantages. That's like how these fights would act out in "reality"
This is absolutely amazing to watch
What if they had a hardcore archon mode where your team had no minimap? Or what if each team had 3 bases, but map switched which species players controlled at random? Imagine the chaos...
MORE OF THESE, DEFINITELY!
Protoss: We got Psionic Storm. Massive area damage spell. Terrans: We got nothing. Zerg: Pffft. please. We got 2. And spawn free units. Why do you two even bother existing?
That was epic! More of that please!
Lowko , if u get more videos on Archon i would love to see them too.
I can only begin to imagine the micro potential of ghosts and nukes with these players
"This is a very scary Terran army."
Ooohh, there's an idea... Full-strength AlphaStar vs 3-4 pros in archon mode. Maybe on 300-400 supply too. It would be EPIC.
Cast more team games, this was very entertaining.
Awesome replay!
I'm all for - let's say - 3v1 Archon mode between e.g. top3 at Blizzcon vs Alphastar
Love Pro games like this (like 8 player FFA ,Archon or 2v2)
Pls. Keep up the good videos. I love your content.
This would be good if there was a post game interview
Before i watch this i wanted to say, this is exactly the kind of thing i wanted to see for a long time.
Coming back after watching it, it was even more amazing than i could have imagined.
LOWKO! Favorite vid to date! Obviously the game was epic but great job at calling everything out! especially with that much going on lol. Such an exciting match! More of these pleeeaaassee:) Stay gold man!
"I think the APM is added together"
Naaaahhhh, over 1100 APM? Added together?
Clearly one person.
I would love to see more pro archon
This was fantastic to watch!
SC2 should be more like this. Doing a round of production or queen injects every 20-30 seconds and going back to microing an engagement without missing a beat is impressive but it's not interesting. The game should help you play it, not throw hurdles in your path.
The Power is overwhelming!
Yesss, I know, this is very late comment and I just watched the match but can I ask that why no ghosts? EMP for vipers and infestors, steady targeting while invisible. I think it could help a lot? Just thinking